| josh-l | beta has been released for ubuntu... kubuntu? | 00:05 |
|---|---|---|
| josh-l | http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/jaunty/beta/ | 00:05 |
| Riddell | oh I was thinking we'd wait a week | 00:06 |
| Riddell | no need to hurry really | 00:06 |
| josh-l | for me there is | 00:07 |
| Riddell | but the power trip is to much to resist! we can play with people's minds! | 00:08 |
| josh-l | oh it is out | 00:10 |
| josh-l | http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/jaunty/beta/ | 00:10 |
| Riddell | what?! who let it out without my authorisation! it'll be the gallows when I find out! | 00:10 |
| blizzz | no cds any longer? | 00:10 |
| claydoh | patience grasshoppers ;) | 00:10 |
| blizzz | getting old, gotta sleep ;) | 00:11 |
| Riddell | CDs? this is the 20th century! we don't want people downloading it in less than a day, blu-ray only | 00:11 |
| lex79 | LoL | 00:11 |
| lex79 | :) | 00:11 |
| claydoh | cd? whats that I use those newfangled usb drive thingies | 00:12 |
| josh-l | noone seeding :( | 00:12 |
| blizzz | small iso for a small usb stick | 00:12 |
| blizzz | in this moment i discovered i put the pre beta daily on a red hat branded usb stick | 00:15 |
| claydoh | small bug after updating from 8.10 | 00:15 |
| josh-l | claydoh, what | 00:15 |
| claydoh | no dont-zap option in the display config | 00:15 |
| claydoh | as I said, small :) | 00:15 |
| Riddell | I have that | 00:15 |
| josh-l | seeders needed | 00:16 |
| claydoh | josh-l: go for it :) | 00:16 |
| josh-l | claydoh, have to download it first... gonna take 2hours from http | 00:16 |
| claydoh | josh-l: takes me longer than that on my speed (for dvd image) | 00:18 |
| josh-l | yeah wish the cd was out | 00:18 |
| josh-l | it might be before i finish downloading dvd | 00:19 |
| josh-l | 0 seeders for 64bit | 00:20 |
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| cernui | jos-l:for the beta iso? | 00:21 |
| josh-l | cernui, yeah | 00:22 |
| blizzz | gn8 | 00:23 |
| josh-l | night | 00:23 |
| Riddell | http://www.kubuntu.org/news/9.04-beta it's out! | 00:30 |
| claydoh | Riddell: what package should i report the missing dontzap ? | 00:31 |
| claydoh | Riddell: the upgrade does not install the package 'dontzap' | 00:31 |
| claydoh | but what sould pull it in? | 00:32 |
| claydoh | s/sould/should | 00:33 |
| Riddell | it's brought in by kdebase-workspace-bin | 00:33 |
| Riddell | if it's not installed that's mysterious, I guess file a bug on update-manager | 00:33 |
| claydoh | thanks, will do | 00:33 |
| cernui | What's the original content of the kubuntu bottle? | 00:34 |
| Riddell | vintage Irn Bru | 00:35 |
| claydoh | Riddell: nice bottle | 00:37 |
| claydoh | I put a kubuntu sticker (thanks, btw) on my mp3 plaer, someone asked me what brand "kubuntu" was | 00:38 |
| LjL | Riddell: i put that in the #ubuntu+1 topic, hope you don't mind. | 00:39 |
| claydoh | so I have one less cd to pass out to folks :) | 00:40 |
| Riddell | LjL: super | 00:40 |
| === Riddell changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Beta out! | Feature Freeze, UI Freeze and Beta Freeze in effect - Fix bugs! | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo | Congratulations to rgreening and a|wen - Kubuntu's newest MOTUs!!! | ||
| Riddell | amd64 dvd the surprise lead torrent so far | 00:44 |
| vorian | amd64 ftw | 00:45 |
| Riddell | we don't even link to the DVDs | 00:45 |
| vorian | ah, missed the dvd part | 00:45 |
| vorian | Riddell: it seems there is a new addition in the 4.2.2 release? oxygen-icons | 00:58 |
| vorian | will we be able to slip it in universe perhaps? | 01:00 |
| nixternal | it is nice having a mirror 5 miles from your house :) | 01:02 |
| vorian | dude, how can you ever see yourself? | 01:03 |
| nixternal | har har | 01:03 |
| vorian | which mirror is in chicago? | 01:04 |
| nixternal | anl.gov | 01:05 |
| nixternal | the server it is running on I helped build during a LUG meeting | 01:07 |
| nixternal | i got a free Sun Fire X4200 out of the deal :) | 01:08 |
| josh-l | whats your download rates from torrent right now? | 01:19 |
| cernui | I'm more or less 3M full speed (+/- 350 kB/s) | 01:22 |
| josh-l | cernui, weird, mine is slow i usually get high speeds | 01:22 |
| cernui | Sorry, looked at the wrong file | 01:26 |
| cernui | The torrent file is not announced in the download page as I see | 01:26 |
| cernui | I used the right torrent and I'm having also good speed, maybe you have some ports closed | 01:27 |
| nixternal | build kubuntu-docs now, will upload after testing...let the translations begin! | 02:01 |
| JontheEchidna | \o/ | 02:01 |
| Gon | Hi | 02:10 |
| Gon | I'm testing 9.04 beta un virtualbox... | 02:10 |
| Gon | Quassel doesn't connect D: | 02:10 |
| nixternal | A R G H ! ! ! ! | 02:45 |
| dtchen | ? | 02:46 |
| nixternal | /usr/share/kde* what a mess | 02:47 |
| nixternal | I am seeing some crazy strangeness with docs | 02:49 |
| nixternal | I open up the doc in konqueror and khelpcenter by navigating to it using absolute path, works great | 02:49 |
| nixternal | as soon as I use help:/kubuntu/foo it looks nasty | 02:49 |
| nixternal | jaunty+1, our docs will use 100% the same stuff kde docs does...maintaining our own xslt and crap is insane, and it is so old | 02:50 |
| * a|wen_ supposes our docs is like mingling kde3 stuff into kde4... | 02:51 | |
| nixternal | nah, our docs were originally created as part of the Ubuntu Documentation Project...and lets just say there are just some things not worth sharing | 02:53 |
| a|wen_ | he | 02:55 |
| josh-l | what package installs koffice2... koffice? it's got some odd dependency issues, and wants to remove a lot of packages | 03:02 |
| a|wen_ | josh-l: which ubuntu version? | 03:13 |
| josh-l | a|wen_: jaunty | 03:15 |
| === heHATEme is now known as vorian | ||
| a|wen_ | josh-l: koffice-kde4 should be the one | 03:16 |
| josh-l | ok thanks a|wen_ | 03:17 |
| vorian | Sput: just an idea - it would be nice if I could see snotes | 03:23 |
| vorian | I get a notice from a server, and there is no message in the window | 03:23 |
| vorian | I do get the message via notification though | 03:23 |
| josh-l | eh still dont like konqueror as a web browser | 03:25 |
| a|wen_ | josh-l: no problem here ... do you only have the official repos enabled, or does it try to install it from a ppa or something? | 03:26 |
| josh-l | oh awesome... firefox tabs are fixed | 03:26 |
| josh-l | a|wen_: what konqueror? | 03:26 |
| vorian | Sput: never mind | 03:26 |
| vorian | Sput: there is a weird thing that happens though, i'll take a screenshot for you | 03:27 |
| a|wen_ | josh-l: forget about it ... thought it tried to remove konqueror when you installed koffice-kde4 | 03:27 |
| josh-l | oh no | 03:27 |
| * a|wen_ just got up, and is still not fully awake | 03:28 | |
| maco | er....has anyone seen kontact loop on checking mails? it just checked the same account constantly for a few minutes. and auto-check is disabled on that account | 05:39 |
| nixternal | maco: gmail? | 07:08 |
| maco | no | 07:09 |
| maco | that one was for the server at work | 07:09 |
| nixternal | I have witnessed a similar issue with gmail | 07:09 |
| nixternal | 2am already...jeesh | 07:10 |
| maco | 3 here ;) | 07:10 |
| nixternal | another bug bites the dust | 07:12 |
| nixternal | w00t, fixed about 5 bugs tonight...think that is it | 07:12 |
| nixternal | though they won't truly be fixed until someone approves the uploads | 07:12 |
| nixternal | come on archive admins, do your magic | 07:12 |
| freinhard | Riddell: updated scpk patch http://paste.ubuntu.com:80/138771/ | 07:19 |
| === a|wen_ is now known as a|wen | ||
| allee | Shouldn't Warning in Beta/Kubuntu/Feedback also mention the repaint problems with qt4.5 (only?) with intel gfx cards? | 09:59 |
| Riddell | allee: I had repaint problems before qt 4.5 | 09:59 |
| Riddell | allee: but go for it | 09:59 |
| a|wen | allee: are you on intel with repaint problems? | 10:03 |
| allee | a|wen: yes, intel on Dell D630, 830 and E6500. Only qt apps affected, well, otherway round firefox does not show the problem ;) | 10:05 |
| a|wen | allee: can i have you test changing to XAA? Add Option "AccelMethod" "XAA" to the Device section in xorg.conf | 10:06 |
| freinhard | same here, i've been unsing UXA recently (no more garbage on the screen). but Xorg freezes quite often (at least twice a day...) | 10:06 |
| allee | a|wen: yes, fwiw a screenshot: http://imagebin.ca/view/ygCvAo.html | 10:08 |
| a|wen | neat ... more garbage but smaller areas compared to the issues i had | 10:09 |
| a|wen | freinhard: changing away from EXA fixed all repaint issues for me ... could look like qt4.5 and EXA stepping on each others feet | 10:14 |
| freinhard | a|wen: that's a matter of fact. | 10:18 |
| a|wen | and can they agree who needs fixing? | 10:19 |
| freinhard | i guess intel devs are using gnome and qt devs are using nvidia, so nobody cares ;) | 10:19 |
| allee | a|wen: there are sometimes bigger too. I just wanted to show several corrupted apps | 10:22 |
| freinhard | a|wen: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NzE3MQ | 10:22 |
| * a|wen uses ati ... nobody cares about that one it seems | 10:23 | |
| freinhard | got no problems with my hd4670 except for missing monitor hotplugging | 10:24 |
| a|wen | freinhard: i had serious corruptions with EXA ... and a too big virtual screen size (no problem in intrepid) made x.org cry | 10:26 |
| allee | a|wen: using XAA makes xserver crash with chipset GM45 (Dell Latitude E6500) | 10:32 |
| a|wen | allee: oh well, then that is not the solution for you ... you might want to look at UXA as freinhard suggests | 10:32 |
| allee | :) | 10:33 |
| freinhard | allee: as long as you don't use effects you might not get a X.org crash. using less effects increased the work-time/reboot ratio ;) | 10:36 |
| allee | a|wen: UXA turn screen to solid black. vt 1 - vt 6 are solid black too or xserver lock up system :( Trying harder ... | 10:37 |
| * allee presses power button :( | 10:37 | |
| * a|wen is sorry for allee :( | 10:38 | |
| freinhard | allee: use sysrq! | 10:39 |
| freinhard | allee: VT switching does not work for UXA! | 10:40 |
| a|wen | oh wonderful | 10:43 |
| Riddell | works here | 10:45 |
| allee | freeflying: did a remote login before starting UXA. But UXA -> black screen even with running xfailsafe | 10:47 |
| ryanakca | Riddell: Don't know what to do about it, sorry. You'll have to bug Ng about it,... hopefully I'll be back tonight with better wireless :) | 10:49 |
| Riddell | ryanakca: he fixed it | 10:49 |
| allee | a|wen, freeflying: you have bug no for? Suggestion for wiki beta 'Warning' Qt 4.5 shows repaint bugs with some but not all Intel Gfx Chips (Bug # here) | 10:53 |
| EagleScreen | hello | 10:53 |
| allee | Ah, reminds be: kwin turn of composite after resume (with G965 and GM45 intel chipset) But that not worth another 'Warning' IMHO | 10:55 |
| EagleScreen | what application should have more priority opening a .deb package in Kubuntu 9.04? currently in my desktop kpackagekit has more priority than gdebi-kde | 10:55 |
| davmor2 | Riddell: I like the irn-brw Kubuntu bottle :D | 10:56 |
| a|wen | allee: i have no bug ... i'm hit by the ati one instead | 11:11 |
| agateau | Riddell: ScottK: I am push a fix for bug #349066 atm, but it's a bit ugly: it adds a script to /usr/env/ (a standard dir read by startkde) | 11:25 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 349066 in ubuntu-release-notes "Release notes need to tell upgrade users how to add new network-manager widget" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/349066 | 11:25 |
| agateau | *pushing | 11:25 |
| freinhard | seele: found your pdf for system-config-printer-kde. did you consider a way how to display conflicts in printers options? gnome's system-config-printer shows a icon next to that option causing the conflict with the message in the tooltip and a popup if you click on it. | 11:30 |
| Riddell | freinhard: I never worked out why there would be conflicts | 11:39 |
| freinhard | Riddell: in case you have a printer that supports duplex printing, enable duplex, set 2-sided printing to anything but off, save, disable duplex => conflict | 11:41 |
| freinhard | Riddell: got that on a hp 2200 and without the patch it gives some ugly output on commandline ;) | 11:42 |
| Riddell | mm, right | 11:44 |
| freinhard | Riddell: btw, here's the reminder to rebuild the package after beta ;) | 11:51 |
| Riddell | freinhard: it's top of my list today, unfortunately I've been battling european train websites | 11:52 |
| seele | freinhard: i thought 2-sided printing is duplex.. why would there be two options to first enable 2-sided printing and then configure it? | 12:12 |
| Riddell | freinhard: what shall I put as commit message for your patch? | 12:12 |
| davmor2 | seele: isn't there a difference. I one not that it prints pages 1 on the front then 2 and repeats for the amount of copies you have then print pages 3 and 4. And the other prints 1234 then 1234 until all copies are done | 12:16 |
| freinhard | Riddell: something like "do not acces not existing gui items" for btnConflict and "fix wrong signal connection for changed checkboxes" | 12:17 |
| davmor2 | seele: I think duplex is the latter so you don't need to sort through them in order to clip them together | 12:18 |
| freinhard | seele: yes duplex is 2-sided printing, i guess that's because the printer options are derived 1:1 from the printers PPD file | 12:19 |
| seele | davmor2: multiple sides to a side is different from printing on both sides | 12:22 |
| seele | freinhard: can we capture some of those redundant options and treat them a certain way instead of just diplaying what is in the ppd file? | 12:23 |
| freinhard | seele: well i'd disable the dropdown as long as the duplex checkbox is not checked. got to dig a bit deeper into the scpk code, no idea how to do that yet ;) | 12:25 |
| seele | freinhard: couldnt it be done the other way around too? if 2 sided is set to no, that's the same as disabling the duplex option | 12:26 |
| seele | the fact that there are two options which almost do the same is confusing | 12:26 |
| seele | reducing it to one would be optimarl | 12:26 |
| Riddell | freinhard: committed and uploaded, thanks | 12:29 |
| freinhard | Riddell: yw! | 12:32 |
| Riddell | freinhard: as you'll have noticed there's plenty other bits with s-c-p-k to be fixed up before release, feel free to have a go at them :) | 12:34 |
| jtechidna | Err http://archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/main python2.6 2.6.1-1ubuntu5 | 12:37 |
| jtechidna | 403 Forbidden [IP: 91.189.88.46 80] | 12:37 |
| jtechidna | wtf? 403? | 12:37 |
| === jtechidna is now known as JontheEchidna | ||
| ScottK | JontheEchidna: You don't want that one. | 12:37 |
| ScottK | That's to keep more systems from getting broken until they can get a fix uploaded. | 12:38 |
| JontheEchidna | oh, well it sure breaks pbuilder | 12:38 |
| ScottK | More importantly it breaks update-manager. | 12:39 |
| ScottK | If you get the update that is. | 12:39 |
| * JontheEchidna nods | 12:39 | |
| JontheEchidna | Could I get sponsorship for bug 326648? | 12:40 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 326648 in gtk-qt-engine "[Kubuntu 9.04] gtk-qt-engine not working" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/326648 | 12:40 |
| Riddell | JontheEchidna: onto it | 12:41 |
| JontheEchidna | There's also bug 346813, it seems that both gtk2-engines-qtcurve and kde-style-qtcurve are in main now... | 12:41 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 346813 in kde-style-qtcurve "New upstream bugfix release (QtCurve 0.62.5)" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/346813 | 12:41 |
| * JontheEchidna has used the QtCurves since he posted the packages on the bug for testing | 12:42 | |
| Riddell | JontheEchidna: why is kde-style-qtcurve-kdeconfig being removed? | 12:44 |
| JontheEchidna | Oh, that | 12:44 |
| JontheEchidna | Qt can use KDE styles now, and the way we were separating it was a real hack | 12:45 |
| Riddell | KDE styles? there's only ever been Qt styles | 12:45 |
| JontheEchidna | if that's the case, then it probably shouldn't have been split the way it was in the first place | 12:46 |
| JontheEchidna | Oh, another reason was that it would have been nearly impossible to split out the kwin style if we didn't switch to cdbs/away from the hack | 12:49 |
| Riddell | JontheEchidna: so there's no /usr/lib/qt4/plugins/styles/qtcurve.so any more? | 12:50 |
| JontheEchidna | bug 319331 too unless you're already sick of sponsoring my uploads :D | 12:50 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 319331 in amarok "[jaunty] amarok 2.0.1.1 always crashes on startup on PPC" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/319331 | 12:50 |
| JontheEchidna | Riddell: Right | 12:50 |
| Riddell | seems like more then a bugfix release this | 12:50 |
| Riddell | uploaded anyhoo | 12:50 |
| JontheEchidna | Thanks | 12:51 |
| Riddell | JontheEchidna: amarok uploaded | 12:55 |
| JontheEchidna | Thanks a lot, that's all that I needed sponsored (that I can remember :P) | 12:56 |
| * JontheEchidna will try going for core-dev next cycle | 12:59 | |
| vorian | Riddell: ping | 13:04 |
| Riddell | vorian: if you're quick | 13:04 |
| vorian | Riddell: my serer is down - i hope you have pulled tarballs :/ | 13:04 |
| vorian | Riddell: if not, i'll figure something else out | 13:05 |
| Riddell | vorian: can get them from ktown | 13:05 |
| === thunderstruck is now known as gnomefreak | ||
| Riddell | but the oxygen-icons thing is a mess | 13:05 |
| vorian | ah... | 13:06 |
| vorian | Riddell: i can get them, I don't have a place to stash them for everyone else to help with | 13:06 |
| Riddell | vorian: I'm out for an hour, will sort something out when I get back | 13:08 |
| vorian | Riddell: ok | 13:08 |
| vorian | Riddell: we already had some stuff started last night :) | 13:08 |
| JontheEchidna | Riddell: just curious, the new oxygen tarball is a mess in what way? | 13:10 |
| * vorian has not liked this week very much at all | 13:16 | |
| JontheEchidna | ~order tea, earl grey, hot for vorian | 13:17 |
| * kubotu is replicating a hot cup of earl grey for captain vorian. | 13:17 | |
| Sput | !order tea, Shogun | 13:22 |
| ubottu | Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) | 13:22 |
| Sput | ~order tea, Shogun | 13:22 |
| * kubotu slides tea, shogun down the bar to Sput | 13:22 | |
| ScottK | I am supposed to have an icon that tells me there are updates in Jaunty, right? | 13:26 |
| JontheEchidna | Yeah, update-notifier-kde | 13:26 |
| ScottK | Hmmm. 60 updates. No icon. | 13:27 |
| JontheEchidna | python-qt4-dbus could be busted and update-notifier-kde could be crashing | 13:27 |
| ScottK | That's it. | 13:27 |
| JontheEchidna | reinstalling python-qt4-dbus seems to fix it, but that's a workaround | 13:28 |
| ScottK | It's a|wen's Bug #348704 that describes the problem. | 13:39 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 348704 in python-qt4 "/var/lib/python-support/python2.6/dbus/mainloop/qt.so missing after upgrade" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/348704 | 13:39 |
| ScottK | Urgh. And doko offline too. | 13:40 |
| === thunderstruck is now known as gnomefreak | ||
| === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan | ||
| ScottK | OK. I'm officially confused. | 13:56 |
| ScottK | Riddell: Unless you can figure out ^^^ I think we need to bring it up at the release team meeting today (which I'll be able to attend after all). | 13:56 |
| === sabdfl1 is now known as sabdfl | ||
| ScottK | OK. ^^^ is on the release team's radar | 14:16 |
| agateau | Riddell: branch for bug #349066 is here: bazaar.launchpad.net/~agateau/kubuntu-default-settings/add-network-applet | 14:25 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 349066 in ubuntu-release-notes "Release notes need to tell upgrade users how to add new network-manager widget" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/349066 | 14:25 |
| agateau | Riddell: branch for bug #349066 is here: bazaar.launchpad.net/~agateau/kubuntu-default-settings/add-network-applet | 14:25 |
| agateau | (oups, double post) | 14:26 |
| * agateau is sleepy | 14:26 | |
| ScottK | agateau: I added a k-d-s task to the bug. | 14:31 |
| * agateau needs to figure out what is a task for a bug :) | 14:32 | |
| ScottK | :-) | 14:36 |
| ScottK | If you look at the bug now, you'll see it affects both ubuntu-release-notes and Ubuntu's kubuntu-default-settings. | 14:37 |
| vital | I'm running jaunty beta and trying to upgrade it (apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade) it say that three python deb's are missing.. is that known already or should I file a bugreport? | 14:37 |
| ScottK | vital: Known. There was a bad Python upload that broke a lot of stuff, so they blocked it until the fix gets out. | 14:38 |
| ScottK | It's been publishes and so should be on a mirror near you soonish. | 14:39 |
| ScottK | publishes/published. | 14:39 |
| vital | ScottK, okay, thanks. | 14:39 |
| JontheEchidna | fwiw I'm just getting the fixed update | 14:39 |
| JontheEchidna | your results may vary (tm) | 14:39 |
| vital | :) | 14:39 |
| Quintasan | nixternal: ping | 15:22 |
| Riddell | ScottK: that python-qt4-dbus upgrade bug is mysterious and important | 15:23 |
| ScottK | Riddell: At the release meeting mvo got tagged to look into it. | 15:24 |
| ScottK | Anyone else get double notifications from the NM widget? | 15:24 |
| ScottK | JontheEchidna: Did you get yours from the US mirror or straight from the source? | 15:26 |
| nixternal | Quintasan: pong | 15:26 |
| JontheEchidna | ScottK: archive.ubuntu.com, which I suppose is the US mirror | 15:27 |
| Quintasan | nixternal: I'm sure all kubuntu-docs string have translation suggestions :P | 15:27 |
| Quintasan | nixternal: strings* | 15:27 |
| nixternal | I have no idea what that means to be honest :) | 15:28 |
| * Quintasan thinks he screwd something | 15:28 | |
| a|wen | ScottK: the python-qt4-dbus thing could be due to some pycentral foo ... i suspect you've read the debian-python mail-list about it; and as i understand it there've been some recent bug fixes to pycentral after lenny release | 15:33 |
| Quintasan | grrr, whats with | 15:33 |
| ScottK | a|wen: Could be. I'm glad it got punted to someone with more in depth knowledge than me. | 15:35 |
| ScottK | JontheEchidna: No, that's the Canonical data center. | 15:36 |
| === Tonio__ is now known as Tonio_ | ||
| a|wen | ScottK: yeah ... is very strange, so let's hope they figure it out | 15:37 |
| Quintasan | JontheEchidna: Are there any other ways I can access diffs from kde websvn? I wanted to check how many files are changed to make Kopete notifications stack. | 15:40 |
| JontheEchidna | other ways than what way? | 15:40 |
| Quintasan | WebSVN is broken right now. I usually get diffs from there :/ | 15:41 |
| * JontheEchidna is browsing websvn as we speak | 15:41 | |
| Quintasan | lol? | 15:41 |
| JontheEchidna | srsly | 15:42 |
| * JontheEchidna sees if he can get a diff | 15:42 | |
| JontheEchidna | or I could just email you the files | 15:43 |
| JontheEchidna | and you could make your own diff? | 15:43 |
| Quintasan | Hmm I guess I can try :) | 15:43 |
| Quintasan | JontheEchidna: you have my email address? | 15:44 |
| JontheEchidna | I think you emailed me a patch once, so I should | 15:44 |
| JontheEchidna | Quintasan: these will all go in kdelibs/plasma, with the exception of the _p.h files which go in kdelibs/plasma/private | 15:47 |
| freinhard | Quintasan: did you try the reviewboard? | 15:49 |
| freinhard | Quintasan: should be the easiest way to find out what changed... | 15:50 |
| freinhard | http://reviewboard.kde.org/groups/kopete/ | 15:50 |
| JontheEchidna | it wouldn't be a kopete change, but rather a plasma change | 15:50 |
| JontheEchidna | notifications/kio jobs are now groupable in general | 15:51 |
| freinhard | http://reviewboard.kde.org/r/242/ | 15:55 |
| JontheEchidna | oh, I guess we were thinking about two different features :) | 15:59 |
| Quintasan | JontheEchidna: thanks for files | 16:00 |
| JontheEchidna | Quintasan: might not have been what you were looking for | 16:00 |
| Quintasan | freinhard: also thanks, this will be helpful :3 | 16:00 |
| JontheEchidna | freinhard's link may be more helpful in the end | 16:00 |
| Quintasan | hmm that is what I was talking about :P | 16:01 |
| Quintasan | It's too late now to get it included? | 16:01 |
| JontheEchidna | definitely | 16:01 |
| JontheEchidna | we have freezes up the arse now | 16:02 |
| === JontheEchidna changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Beta in less than 24 hours! Please test http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/kubuntu/all | Feature Freeze, UI Freeze and String Freeze in effect - Fix bugs! | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo | Congratulations to rgreening and a|wen - Kubuntu's newest MOTUs!!! | ||
| * a|wen suspects JontheEchidna hit the wrong button | 16:03 | |
| JontheEchidna | ? | 16:03 |
| JontheEchidna | oh, maybe konversation-kde4's topic stuff is busted | 16:03 |
| JontheEchidna | wow, that sure messed things up | 16:03 |
| freinhard | beta in less than 24 hours? hmm JontheEchidna share your timemachine with us! ;) | 16:03 |
| a|wen | :) | 16:04 |
| === JontheEchidna changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Beta out! | Feature Freeze, UI Freeze and String Freeze in effect - Fix bugs! | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo​ | Congratulations to rgreening and a|wen - Kubuntu's newest MOTUs!!! | ||
| JontheEchidna | That's what I meant | 16:04 |
| a|wen | much better, he | 16:05 |
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| Quintasan | JontheEchidna: If the patch creates a file x.cfg, should I do quilt add x.cfg? | 16:17 |
| JontheEchidna | quilt add, then place the file where it should be | 16:18 |
| JontheEchidna | then it will be picked up in quilt refresh along with everything else | 16:18 |
| Quintasan | ok, thanks | 16:18 |
| a|wen | has anybody else noticed, that a crashing app doesn't bring up a crash/backtrace dialog? | 16:19 |
| Riddell | a|wen: it ought to put it's stuff in /var/crash and bring up apport | 16:20 |
| a|wen | it puts the stuff in /var/crash but nothing pops up | 16:21 |
| ScottK | a|wen: Intrepid or Jaunty? | 16:21 |
| josh-l | surprised, installed beta last night, and already 60+ upgrades? | 16:21 |
| a|wen | jaunty | 16:22 |
| ScottK | OK. | 16:22 |
| ScottK | josh-l: That's all the stuff that couldn't be accepted during the beta freeze. | 16:22 |
| josh-l | ohhh | 16:22 |
| a|wen | i've had kontact and gwenview crash until now with no pop-ups so seem consistent | 16:22 |
| josh-l | scott_ev: should i have done a dist-upgrade instead of the simple upgrade i did? | 16:22 |
| scott_ev | not necessarily | 16:23 |
| scott_ev | I've had good success with both | 16:24 |
| rickspencer3 | Riddell: ScottK JontheEchidna etc... | 16:24 |
| rickspencer3 | how do you all feel about the Beta so far? | 16:24 |
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| josh-l | scott_ev: I was going to do a dist-upgrade but aptitude showed some issues, so i just quit and did a regular upgrade and it started with out problems... | 16:25 |
| ScottK | I'm having some unfortunate window painting problems I didn't have with 4.2.0 on Intrepid (with Qt4.4) and my wireless is still flaky (so upgrading didn't fix my kernel problems). | 16:25 |
| JontheEchidna | rickspencer3: pretty good | 16:26 |
| ScottK | I'm still on my first boot since the upgrade, so I have hopes the the window painting stuff will pass. I've seen such before. | 16:26 |
| Quintasan | It becomes unresponsive after some hours, restarting X helps :3 | 16:27 |
| ScottK | For good news, I had zero upgrade problems. That's important. | 16:27 |
| ScottK | I did file some bugs and the important ones are being addressed. | 16:27 |
| rickspencer3 | It looks like Intel+X is shaping up to be a bit of a problem child for Jaunty, are you guys seeing that in Ubuntu as well? | 16:27 |
| * ScottK waves to agateau. | 16:27 | |
| rickspencer3 | I mean in Kubuntu :P | 16:27 |
| ScottK | It should be the same. | 16:27 |
| Riddell | intel+X+Qt seems to be a paticular problem | 16:28 |
| ScottK | i865 at least starts now. | 16:28 |
| ScottK | Ah. | 16:28 |
| * ScottK did not know that. | 16:28 | |
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| rickspencer3 | ScottK: yeah, but I was wondering what you're hearing from the Kubuntu user community | 16:28 |
| * Quintasan is sometimes happy about having an ATi card | 16:28 | |
| rickspencer3 | the 8xx chipsets work for some people, not others | 16:28 |
| a|wen | rickspencer3: i've heard lots of complains about intel and repaint problems | 16:28 |
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| * ScottK looks around at his 100% Intel (FOSS friendly, right) and despairs a bit. | 16:29 | |
| rickspencer3 | ScottK: exactly | 16:29 |
| freinhard | got a i855, shows the same video garbage with EXA as my i915 | 16:29 |
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| rickspencer3 | I chose a particular Dell machine because I wanted all FOSS drivers, and look what it got me :) | 16:30 |
| ScottK | Yep. | 16:30 |
| rickspencer3 | actually, it's not that bad a of a situation on the newer Intel chips | 16:30 |
| Riddell | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/JauntyJackalope/Beta/Kubuntu/Feedback not much feedback yet | 16:30 |
| * JontheEchidna cowers behind his ancient proprietary nvidia | 16:30 | |
| * ScottK notices he's typing on a Dell laptop... | 16:30 | |
| rickspencer3 | other than that (and another X bug related to user switching) Ubuntu seems to be shaping up very nicely for Jaunty | 16:31 |
| JontheEchidna | my card has had repainting problems since 4.0 in konsole, the add widgets dialog, etc, but overal enOK | 16:31 |
| ScottK | rickspencer3: My painting problems are on 945GM/GMS | 16:31 |
| JontheEchidna | wtf, my keyboard is dropping keys under high cpu load | 16:31 |
| rickspencer3 | ScottK: is that the indirect direct rendering problem? | 16:31 |
| a|wen | rickspencer3: someone mentioned that the intel chipsets on Dell D630, 830 and E6500 was hit | 16:31 |
| rickspencer3 | does uxa fix it? | 16:31 |
| * ScottK has no idea. | 16:31 | |
| * ScottK should try it. | 16:32 | |
| * ScottK just upgraded yesterday | 16:32 | |
| rickspencer3 | uxa is nifty, and faster, but if you have a multi-user machine, it doesn't seem to work so well | 16:32 |
| rickspencer3 | switching users seems problematic | 16:32 |
| a|wen | rickspencer3: it does ... for those chipsets where it works | 16:32 |
| a|wen | rickspencer3: i heard that vt switching didn't work at all on UXA | 16:33 |
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| rickspencer3 | yeah, uxa is close, but not quite ready for prime time, afict | 16:33 |
| a|wen | rickspencer3: got a screenshot earlier from one with the problem http://imagebin.ca/view/ygCvAo.html | 16:33 |
| rickspencer3 | however, it's super easy to turn on (one line xorg.conf) | 16:33 |
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| rickspencer3 | so if it work for you, you can do it | 16:33 |
| rickspencer3 | that looks pretty bad | 16:34 |
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| rickspencer3 | a|wen: does that happen when you move windows around? | 16:34 |
| a|wen | rickspencer3: if you have older ati chipsets there can be problems as well ... switching to XAA in that case might fix it | 16:34 |
| josh-l | why would a dist-upgrade have install issues, right now, but an upgrade be ok? | 16:35 |
| a|wen | rickspencer3: i'm running ati ... but they just appeared; no need to move anything around | 16:35 |
| rickspencer3 | weird | 16:35 |
| ScottK | Because upgrad just upgrades existing packages, but dist-upgrade will install new ones. | 16:35 |
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| josh-l | ScottK: do I need to do the dist-upgrade on the beta right now? or is the upgrade enough? | 16:36 |
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| ScottK | If you upgrade and it says no packages are held back, you're fine. | 16:36 |
| a|wen | rickspencer3: very weird ... you can have ~20-25% of the screen like that on some occasions; is close to unusable | 16:37 |
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| josh-l | ScottK: said one package not to be upgraded... should I run the dist-upgrade when upgrade finishes? | 16:37 |
| ScottK | Yes. | 16:37 |
| josh-l | ok thanks ScottK | 16:37 |
| rickspencer3 | a|wen: is there a bug # for that? | 16:38 |
| josh-l | did anyone else get a strange looking boot splash screen after installing beta? | 16:38 |
| a|wen | rickspencer3: started looking for a bug-number for the ati one, but forgot about it again ... i'll see if i can find something | 16:39 |
| a|wen | rickspencer3: the ati one is bug 338669 | 16:40 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 338669 in xserver-xorg-video-ati "painting artifacts after qt4.5 upgrade" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/338669 | 16:41 |
| josh-l | I still got the same shutdown issues I had before (running on a dell lalptop) shutdown just stops at "*system will now halt" screen, though reboot now works | 16:41 |
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| rickspencer3 | a|wen: I asked bryce to take a look | 16:42 |
| rickspencer3 | if you have any more info, feel free to attach it to the bug | 16:42 |
| a|wen | rickspencer3: thanks ... sadly not; only know that changing from EXA to XAA fixes everything for me as well | 16:43 |
| josh-l | brb rebooting | 16:44 |
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| ScottK | rickspencer3: Good call. The after 30 seconds review is uxa seems MUCH crisper here and no repaint issues. | 16:45 |
| rickspencer3 | ScottK: great | 16:46 |
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| rickspencer3 | however, in Ubuntu anyway, there are some stability issues, especially wrt user switching | 16:46 |
| rickspencer3 | so we can't turn on uxa by default until Karmic :( | 16:48 |
| rickspencer3 | are you guys getting lots of bug reports, in general? | 16:48 |
| smarter | ScottK: testing uxa? | 16:48 |
| ScottK | smarter: Yes. | 16:48 |
| smarter | any problem with desktop effects/firefox scrolling/anything? :) | 16:48 |
| ScottK | Not so far. | 16:48 |
| ScottK | 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:27a2] (rev 03) | 16:49 |
| ubottu | http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/?rev=3&view=rev | svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk -r 3 | Source imported | 16:49 |
| ScottK | ;-) | 16:49 |
| ScottK | rickspencer3: Assuming this proves to be stable, uxa resolves my X related grumbles about Jaunty. | 16:51 |
| Riddell | UXA working perfectly for me | 16:52 |
| smarter | ScottK: what kind of problems did you have with exa/jaunty? | 16:53 |
| ScottK | Slow, window redraws missing, just all sorts of pain except not at all crashy. | 16:53 |
| * ScottK wonders if we can add an 'enable uxa' GUI like we did for dontzap? | 16:54 | |
| smarter | bad idea imho | 16:55 |
| smarter | if $user isn't experienced enough to find out how to enable it, he'd better not try it | 16:55 |
| ScottK | Probably. | 16:55 |
| smarter | would be interesting if you tested some 3D games | 16:55 |
| ScottK | I'm just really impressed how much faster it is. | 16:56 |
| * ScottK has no 3D games. | 16:56 | |
| smarter | apt-get them :) | 16:56 |
| * ScottK was actually supposed to do some $WORK today. | 16:56 | |
| smarter | oh, that might conflict then :p | 16:57 |
| ScottK | BTW, I didn't get dontzap installed on upgrade. I thought that was supposed to come with kubuntu-desktop? | 16:58 |
| rickspencer3 | ScottK: I thought Alberto added it as a checkbox in some control panel somewhere in Kubuntu? | 16:59 |
| rickspencer3 | so you don't need don't zap, as it's a Kubuntu setting | 16:59 |
| smarter | rickspencer3: iirc, the systemsettings checkbox uses dontzap internally | 16:59 |
| ScottK | yes. | 17:00 |
| smarter | ScottK: kdebase-workspace-bin recommends dontzap | 17:00 |
| smarter | that's all | 17:00 |
| Riddell | there's a bug filed on update-manager for that I believe | 17:00 |
| ScottK | OK. Thanks. | 17:00 |
| josh-l | hey folks, i got issues, clean beta install... upgraded... still I get stuck on one of two screens when shutting down, or rebooting: "*system will now halt" or when rebooting "*styem will now restart" | 17:06 |
| josh-l | help? | 17:06 |
| smarter | josh-l: looks kernel related, can't help more unfortunately | 17:06 |
| ScottK | josh-l: How old is the laptop? | 17:07 |
| smarter | try googling a bit, there's a few commands you can try to add to grub to workaround that | 17:07 |
| smarter | stuff like noapic acpi=off | 17:07 |
| josh-l | ScottK: not old, 2008 | 17:07 |
| ScottK | OK. What smarter says then. | 17:08 |
| josh-l | i dont really want to turn off my acpi though | 17:08 |
| ScottK | It's almost certainly kernel related, so nothing we could help with here. | 17:08 |
| josh-l | hrmm ok | 17:09 |
| josh-l | would it be a horrible idea to downgrade the kernel? | 17:09 |
| smarter | shouldn't break anything in particular | 17:09 |
| smarter | you could try with a more recent kernel too | 17:09 |
| josh-l | smarter: is there anything in the repos more recent? | 17:10 |
| smarter | the ubuntu kernel team provides .deb of 2.6.29 in a separate repo | 17:10 |
| smarter | let me find that... | 17:10 |
| josh-l | thanks | 17:10 |
| josh-l | i mean to be honest i dont even reboot, or shutdown that often :) | 17:10 |
| josh-l | i guess i could live with it for the time being | 17:10 |
| smarter | josh-l: here it is http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v2.6.29/ | 17:11 |
| josh-l | thanks smarter | 17:11 |
| smarter | trying an older kernel would be interesting too, to see if it's a regression | 17:11 |
| josh-l | could I even use an older kernel if im using ext4? | 17:11 |
| smarter | hmm, that'd be more problematic | 17:14 |
| josh-l | is it necessarily all that bad to ctrl+alt+delete out of the "*system will now halt" or "system will now restart" screens? (for the time being until its fixed) | 17:14 |
| smarter | as nothing should be running at the time you see that message it should be ok I guess | 17:14 |
| josh-l | smarter: i could reinstall with ext3, and then downgrade kernel if you think thats a good idea? | 17:15 |
| smarter | josh-l: if you really have time to lose you could do that yes | 17:15 |
| josh-l | upgradings to 2.6.29 wont matter right? | 17:15 |
| josh-l | for ext4 | 17:15 |
| smarter | yup | 17:15 |
| josh-l | it will matter? | 17:15 |
| smarter | no it won't :) | 17:16 |
| josh-l | oh ok :) | 17:16 |
| smarter | using 2.6.29 with ext4 here, no particular problem | 17:16 |
| josh-l | i'll try that before reinstalling using ext3 then | 17:16 |
| Lure | Riddell: no bug 347587 with UXA? | 17:16 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 347587 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "suspend/resume returns to KDM login screen on x200s with UXA" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/347587 | 17:16 |
| josh-l | smarter: one last thing, do I need to add that to sources.lst (the 2.6.29 url you gave me)? | 17:17 |
| Riddell | Lure: mm, now you come to mention it, I do get that | 17:17 |
| smarter | josh-l: it's not a deb repository | 17:17 |
| smarter | josh-l: you have to manually download and install the .debs | 17:18 |
| josh-l | oh so no :) ok | 17:18 |
| Lure | Riddell: please add your HW info to bug | 17:18 |
| smarter | josh-l: think you'll be able to find what packages to install and what not to install? :) | 17:18 |
| josh-l | smarter: uh yea :P | 17:18 |
| Lure | Riddell: but otherwise UXA is great - nop redraw problems like bug 279727 | 17:19 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 279727 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "Display Corruption w/ Intel 4700MHD" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/279727 | 17:19 |
| Riddell | done | 17:20 |
| Lure | Riddell: thanks - I am still trying to get upstream attention, as they consider it fixed | 17:25 |
| * Riddell hugs nixternal for docs getting uploaded | 17:29 | |
| josh-l | smarter: fixed all problems with the kernel upgrade!! | 17:35 |
| smarter | great | 17:35 |
| josh-l | is there a repo I can add somehow that will have kernels that up to date? | 17:36 |
| smarter | don't think so | 17:36 |
| smarter | you usually don't want to upgrade to every beta kernel thought :) | 17:36 |
| smarter | josh-l: fill a bug report with your laptop model and indicating that using 2.6.29 fixed the problem | 17:36 |
| smarter | the fix may be backportable | 17:36 |
| josh-l | smarter: right and I probably wont need to upgrade before full jaunty release anyways | 17:36 |
| josh-l | ok | 17:36 |
| seele | yay beta time.. back to being useful | 17:37 |
| josh-l | smarter: I havent filled out a bug report in years... literaly, where ? | 17:37 |
| smarter | josh-l: http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu | 17:37 |
| josh-l | thanks | 17:38 |
| Riddell | ooh, a|wen on behind motu | 17:40 |
| a|wen | :) | 17:41 |
| josh-l | smarter: shall i add that i found the bug in the 2.6.28 linux-image package? | 17:42 |
| Riddell | a|wen: where's the photo taken? | 17:43 |
| smarter | josh-l: say you're using up to date jaunty, they'll know what kernel this is | 17:43 |
| a|wen | Riddell: at the Angkor Wat area in Cambodia ... was there last weekend | 17:43 |
| smarter | josh-l: output of dpkg -l|grep linux-image might be useful to clarify things | 17:46 |
| nixternal | ok, kplayer is severely broken on the FTBFS side...more than likely do to it not supporting KDE 4.2...rkward is also broken and is by far an annoying package...these are the only 2 packages left that install docs to /usr/share/doc/kde4 and they both are FTBFS | 17:46 |
| josh-l | okay ill add that smarter | 17:46 |
| nixternal | so if anyone wants a challenge, rkward and kplayer is it :) | 17:46 |
| * a|wen already gave up on kplayer | 17:47 | |
| nixternal | An eerie image of a figure at a Scottish castle has got ghost experts spooked. The scary shot was unearthed during the biggest ever investigation into photographic evidence of ghosts. | 17:47 |
| nixternal | Riddell: you playing with the photographers at the Tantallon Castle? | 17:47 |
| josh-l | smarter: is this alright? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/349778 | 17:48 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 349778 in ubuntu "reboot and shutdown stuck" [Undecided,New] | 17:48 |
| nixternal | http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00765/tantallon-ghost_280_765667a.jpg | 17:48 |
| smarter | josh-l: looks good, thought the bug title could be a little more informative | 17:49 |
| josh-l | smarter: can i change after? | 17:50 |
| smarter | josh-l: yup, there's a button to edit | 17:50 |
| smarter | josh-l: also, interesting, you're running the inspiron 1525 which should be fully supported on Ubuntu by Dell | 17:50 |
| josh-l | smarter: exactly | 17:50 |
| smarter | that should be enough to convince someone to look at it:) | 17:51 |
| Riddell | nixternal: aye, I take all the energy created by my frustration at qt4-x11 taking yonks to build and channel it at their cameras | 17:51 |
| josh-l | smarter: give me a better title | 17:51 |
| nixternal | hahaha | 17:51 |
| smarter | something like "[jaunty] Inspiron 1525 get stucks on "System will now halt", works with 2.6.29" | 17:52 |
| josh-l | yeah that is better | 17:52 |
| josh-l | :) | 17:52 |
| josh-l | smarter: title fixed | 17:59 |
| smarter | looks good. | 18:01 |
| neversfelde | ist it possible for me to change the kubuntu docs? | 18:40 |
| Riddell | neversfelde: it's in bzr, but somewhat frozen now | 18:41 |
| Riddell | ask nixternal for details | 18:41 |
| josh-l | anyone know if stasks for the kde panel is available for kubuntu in any repos yet? or if it will be? | 18:44 |
| neversfelde | Riddell: thanks, it is not so important and I will remeber, when they are open again | 18:44 |
| nixternal | neversfelde: what needs to be changed? | 18:51 |
| nixternal | ya, they won't be open until karmic | 18:51 |
| nixternal | unless it is a major issue, then it can be changed | 18:51 |
| neversfelde | nixternal: in systemsettings is said, that kcontrol is still available | 18:52 |
| nixternal | argh, that was supposed to be removed...I had even tagged it | 18:52 |
| neversfelde | and I translated it :) | 18:52 |
| nixternal | ya, that wouldn't be considered major enough for a jaunty fix, but it is tagged | 18:52 |
| nixternal | haha, translate it to say "IT AIN'T HERE HOMESKILLET" :) | 18:52 |
| neversfelde | hehe | 18:53 |
| nixternal | wait a second | 18:53 |
| nixternal | there is nothing about KControl in the bzr repo | 18:54 |
| nixternal | nixternal@KaboWabo:~/opensource/ubuntu/docs/kubuntu-jaunty/docs$ grep -r KControl * | 18:54 |
| nixternal | nixternal@KaboWabo:~/opensource/ubuntu/docs/kubuntu-jaunty/docs$ | 18:54 |
| nixternal | nada | 18:54 |
| nixternal | sounds like you might be translating old stuff possibly | 18:55 |
| neversfelde | "KControl is still there" is in the german template for systemsettings | 18:56 |
| neversfelde | Located in system-settings/C/system-settings.xml:44(title) | 18:56 |
| nixternal | wth, it is in LP translation though....something isn't right | 18:57 |
| nixternal | https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty/+source/kubuntu-docs/+imports | 18:58 |
| nixternal | it says they are waiting to be imported...how do they get imported? | 18:59 |
| nixternal | who does the importing? | 18:59 |
| ScottK | nixternal: #launchpad. It needs manual approval by LP people. | 18:59 |
| nixternal | do all translations need this? | 18:59 |
| ScottK | AFAIK, yes. | 18:59 |
| * ScottK knows enough about the LP translation system to consider it extremely broken and then quit caring for more detail. | 19:00 | |
| nixternal | I do not ever remember doing that in the past | 19:00 |
| nixternal | ya, I am feeling the same | 19:00 |
| ScottK | Dunno, but #launchpad is the place. | 19:01 |
| nixternal | wow | 19:02 |
| nixternal | KDE translations are so much easier dude | 19:02 |
| nixternal | people grab the .pot files, use that translation app, and before you know it, boom, you have translations :) | 19:02 |
| * nixternal wonders how many people read his blog post about translations | 19:03 | |
| * nixternal hopes not many ;p | 19:03 | |
| nixternal | but from the looks of it, a few have already started | 19:03 |
| nixternal | but that is fin, because they are probably translating stuff that stayed in the documentation | 19:03 |
| a|wen | JontheEchidna: you our amarok man? ... i think we very much want to keep an eye on kde bug 184714 if a fix appears | 19:17 |
| ubottu | KDE bug 184714 in Playlist "Playlist turns invisible sometimes with Qt 4 5" [Major,New] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=184714 | 19:17 |
| JontheEchidna | not particularly, but I am our bug man (tm) | 19:18 |
| a|wen | you did last upload at least :) | 19:18 |
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| tomsdale | Hello - I just made you 3 screenshots of my jaunty kde artistic crash. http://www.avecstyle.ca/screenshots/1.jpg ( also 2.jpg / 3.jpg) | 19:19 |
| ScottK-desktop | Amarok packaging is so much fun, I'm reasonably certain everyone else will be content to make sure JontheEchidna stays TIL until apachelogger's return. | 19:19 |
| tomsdale | what do you think is happening? I have compiz enabled and this time I could still turn the desktop cube. | 19:19 |
| * JontheEchidna hides | 19:19 | |
| ScottK-desktop | JontheEchidna: To late. | 19:20 |
| ScottK-desktop | tomsdale: Generally, I'd say don't use compiz with KDE4. | 19:21 |
| ScottK-desktop | No specific thoughts though. | 19:21 |
| tomsdale | I had the feeling too it doesn't integrate as well as under Gnome. But I guess there is no point in opening a bug report with just a screenshot... | 19:22 |
| * a|wen can't see a point in using compiz with kde4 | 19:23 | |
| tomsdale | for some light eyecandy like window animations and the desktop cube? I guess the same reasons why someone would use it on Gnome. | 19:26 |
| a|wen | tomsdale: in kde there is already kwin making eyecandy, window animations, flying stuff (all that i could ever wish for and more) | 19:36 |
| a|wen | s/kde/kde4 | 19:36 |
| tomsdale | hm - maybe I missunderstood then. I'm just using the default "Enable Desktop Effects" in the system configuration. I didn't install compiz as an extra - just using what came with kde4 by default. | 19:40 |
| a|wen | then you are most likely using kwin effects | 19:41 |
| JontheEchidna | It could be driver funkiness, ati and intel are known to be troublemakers this time around | 19:42 |
| tomsdale | I think so too ... I just thought that was "compiz" because the effects are so similar. I heard about Intel making trouble but I have an NVidia NVS 160 with the latest nonfree-driver. | 19:43 |
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| gabgom | hello | 20:22 |
| gabgom | the hp-toolbox dont work | 20:25 |
| a|wen | gabgom: in jaunty? | 20:27 |
| gabgom | yes | 20:28 |
| a|wen | gabgom: did you upgrade from intrepid? | 20:29 |
| gabgom | no from jaunty alfa | 20:29 |
| gabgom | CUPSEXT could not be loaded. Please check HPLIP installation. | 20:30 |
| gabgom | 20:30 | |
| gabgom | this is the error it gives | 20:31 |
| gabgom | starting in console | 20:31 |
| a|wen | gabgom: can you try to do a reinstall of python-qt4-dbus ? | 20:31 |
| gabgom | ok | 20:31 |
| gabgom | I have done it and I have got the same error | 20:35 |
| gabgom | This was working before one update | 20:35 |
| a|wen | then it isn't the known problem ... | 20:36 |
| a|wen | gabgom: which version of python do you have? | 20:36 |
| gabgom | looking it | 20:37 |
| gabgom | 2.6 I think | 20:40 |
| a|wen | gabgom: "apt-cache policy python" should give you the exact version | 20:41 |
| gabgom | 2.6.1-Oubuntu7 0 | 20:43 |
| josh-l | lots of updates for beta seem to be continuously added | 20:43 |
| nixternal | hp-toolbox is working here afaics | 20:43 |
| a|wen | okay, so not the accursed python version ... then it's a good question | 20:44 |
| gabgom | If a setup from beta is It going to solve the problem ? | 20:45 |
| gabgom | I meant starting from zero. | 20:45 |
| ScottK | Riddell: I didn't find a bug on making sure dontzap is installed, so I added Bug #349886. | 20:52 |
| ubottu | Error: Could not parse data returned by Launchpad: The read operation timed out (https://launchpad.net/bugs/349886/+text) | 20:52 |
| gabgom | or is it a bug ? | 20:54 |
| ScottK-desktop | It's a bug and I can't start it either. | 20:55 |
| josh-l | okay issue | 20:58 |
| josh-l | dist-upgrade is wanting to remove a ton of stuff: | 20:58 |
| josh-l | http://paste.ubuntu.com/139188/ | 20:59 |
| josh-l | help anyone? | 20:59 |
| josh-l | yelp | 21:01 |
| josh-l | ScottK: any ideas? | 21:02 |
| a|wen | josh-l: just say no | 21:03 |
| josh-l | a|wen: to everything in dist-upgrade? | 21:03 |
| a|wen | josh-l: it's due to some package and/or archive inconsistency ... you'll see this again when running pre-release | 21:04 |
| ScottK | josh-l: As a|wen says. | 21:04 |
| josh-l | a|wen: so just dont dist-upgrade ever (during beta) ? | 21:04 |
| a|wen | josh-l: if it tries to remove a lot of stuff, just say no ... it will probably work again in a day or two to dist-upgrade | 21:04 |
| ScottK | No, not ever, you need to sometimes, just pay attention and don't let it do stuff like that. | 21:05 |
| josh-l | ah ok will do | 21:05 |
| ScottK | josh-l: Also I like apt-get better than aptitude in general because it's dependency resolver is less complete and in general it just gives up instead of trying to remove half your system. | 21:05 |
| Quintasan | oh, finally finished building | 21:06 |
| josh-l | ScottK: good point, i'll just use aptitude when installing and removing specific stuff then | 21:06 |
| josh-l | hmm apt-get upgrade keeps back kdelibs5-data that sounds imiportant | 21:07 |
| a|wen | josh-l: just some inconsistency ... wait a day or two, and it will work out fine | 21:07 |
| josh-l | okay patience is the name of the game :) | 21:08 |
| gabgom | ok | 21:08 |
| * Quintasan is happy | 21:13 | |
| josh-l | man I never like operating systems, i'm enjoying one again for the first time in years, even linux although running it for 6 or more years, i disliked it somewhat, just feeling no OS was really any good, but I've got really good feelings about Linux again... good for them/me | 21:13 |
| * apachelogger always gets bad feelings when thinking about linux | 21:15 | |
| * a|wen hugs Quintasan | 21:15 | |
| apachelogger | though I am messed-up alright :S | 21:15 |
| apachelogger | uh uh uh | 21:15 |
| apachelogger | a|wen: are you going to re that mercurial mail? | 21:16 |
| a|wen | apachelogger: mercurial mail? | 21:17 |
| apachelogger | hm | 21:17 |
| apachelogger | the mail about mercurial support in dolphin | 21:17 |
| apachelogger | @kubuntu-devel that is | 21:17 |
| * a|wen thought mercurial was a VCS | 21:18 | |
| apachelogger | it is | 21:18 |
| apachelogger | if I understand that dood correctly he means a KIO slave for mercurial | 21:18 |
| apachelogger | like svn:// | 21:19 |
| a|wen | oh; now i understand it | 21:19 |
| ScottK | Hg is written in python. I find it quite ironic the the Debian packaging for Hg is maintained in the Python Applications Packaging Team svn. | 21:20 |
| apachelogger | hm, if only the PAPT would be using git-svn ;-) | 21:21 |
| a|wen | mr. mercurial is answered | 21:30 |
| apachelogger | a|wen++ | 21:37 |
| * apachelogger is way too tired => bed | 21:37 | |
| josh-l | whats the easiest way to create a custom usplash? | 21:39 |
| nixternal | https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-translators/2009-March/002221.html | 21:40 |
| nixternal | I think that would make more sense if it was sent to say the Ubuntu Docs mailing list of the Kubuntu Devel mailing list | 21:41 |
| Quintasan | oh wait, so what I was translating until now? :D | 21:43 |
| smarter | josh-l: custom usplash aren't really easy to do :p | 21:45 |
| smarter | josh-l: and usplash will be replaced by plymouth in next ubuntu release anyway | 21:45 |
| josh-l | smarter: in jaunty final? | 21:45 |
| smarter | nop | 21:45 |
| nixternal | Quintasan: not the new stuff...still waiting for it to be imported which has to be done manually, and seems there is only 1 person who does that | 21:45 |
| josh-l | ah | 21:45 |
| smarter | josh-l: karmic | 21:45 |
| nixternal | and it seems that one person is gone for the day | 21:45 |
| nixternal | ScottK: Rosetta is awesome! | 21:46 |
| josh-l | smarter: i hope the boot splash gets a rework, i find it lacking in looks | 21:46 |
| josh-l | did the usplash change in jaunty beta release or is that just something odd with my particular installation? its much smaller, and so is the progress bar | 21:47 |
| josh-l | smarter: do you know? | 21:50 |
| smarter | it changed | 21:51 |
| smarter | recently | 21:51 |
| smarter | not sure if that happened in beta | 21:51 |
| josh-l | smarter: did it change to what I just described? | 21:51 |
| smarter | no idea, my setup is kind of broken so I don't have usplash | 21:52 |
| smarter | ask Riddell :) | 21:52 |
| ScottK | nixternal: I can feel the love from here. | 21:59 |
| nixternal | just a little | 22:00 |
| NCommander | ScottK, feel like sponsoring something? | 22:02 |
| ScottK | Just on my way out the door for the evening. | 22:34 |
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| josh-l | weird gimp toolbox isnt showing in the taskmanager | 23:39 |
| Quintasan | josh-l: newest "feature" of GIMP | 23:55 |
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