[00:05] <josh-l> beta has been released for ubuntu... kubuntu?
[00:05] <josh-l> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/jaunty/beta/
[00:06] <Riddell> oh I was thinking we'd wait a week
[00:06] <Riddell> no need to hurry really
[00:07] <josh-l> for me there is
[00:08] <Riddell> but the power trip is to much to resist!  we can play with people's minds!
[00:10] <josh-l> oh it is out
[00:10] <josh-l> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/jaunty/beta/
[00:10] <Riddell> what?!  who let it out without my authorisation!  it'll be the gallows when I find out!
[00:10] <blizzz> no cds any longer?
[00:10] <claydoh> patience grasshoppers ;)
[00:11] <blizzz> getting old, gotta sleep ;)
[00:11] <Riddell> CDs?  this is the 20th century!  we don't want people downloading it in less than a day,  blu-ray only
[00:11] <lex79> LoL
[00:11] <lex79> :)
[00:12] <claydoh> cd? whats  that I use those newfangled usb drive thingies
[00:12] <josh-l> noone seeding :(
[00:12] <blizzz> small iso for a small usb stick
[00:15] <blizzz> in this moment i discovered i put the pre beta daily on a red hat branded usb stick
[00:15] <claydoh> small bug after updating from 8.10
[00:15] <josh-l> claydoh, what
[00:15] <claydoh> no dont-zap option in the display config
[00:15] <claydoh> as I said, small :)
[00:15] <Riddell> I have that
[00:16] <josh-l> seeders needed
[00:16] <claydoh> josh-l:  go for it :)
[00:16] <josh-l> claydoh, have to download it first... gonna take 2hours from http
[00:18] <claydoh> josh-l: takes me longer than that on my speed (for dvd image)
[00:18] <josh-l> yeah wish the cd was out
[00:19] <josh-l> it might be before i finish downloading dvd
[00:20] <josh-l> 0 seeders for 64bit
[00:21] <cernui> jos-l:for the beta iso?
[00:22] <josh-l> cernui, yeah
[00:23] <blizzz> gn8
[00:23] <josh-l> night
[00:30] <Riddell> http://www.kubuntu.org/news/9.04-beta  it's out!
[00:31] <claydoh> Riddell: what package should i report the missing dontzap ?
[00:31] <claydoh> Riddell: the upgrade does not install the package 'dontzap'
[00:32] <claydoh> but what sould pull it in?
[00:33] <claydoh> s/sould/should
[00:33] <Riddell> it's brought in by kdebase-workspace-bin
[00:33] <Riddell> if it's not installed that's mysterious, I guess file a bug on update-manager
[00:33] <claydoh> thanks, will do
[00:34] <cernui> What's the original content of the kubuntu bottle?
[00:35] <Riddell> vintage Irn Bru
[00:37] <claydoh> Riddell: nice bottle
[00:38] <claydoh> I put a kubuntu sticker (thanks, btw) on my mp3 plaer, someone asked me what brand "kubuntu" was
[00:39] <LjL> Riddell: i put that in the #ubuntu+1 topic, hope you don't mind.
[00:40] <claydoh> so I have one less cd to pass out to folks :)
[00:40] <Riddell> LjL: super
[00:44] <Riddell> amd64 dvd the surprise lead torrent so far
[00:45] <vorian> amd64 ftw
[00:45] <Riddell> we don't even link to the DVDs
[00:45] <vorian> ah, missed the dvd part
[00:58] <vorian> Riddell: it seems there is a new addition in the 4.2.2 release? oxygen-icons
[01:00] <vorian> will we be able to slip it in universe perhaps?
[01:02] <nixternal> it is nice having a mirror 5 miles from your house :)
[01:03] <vorian> dude, how can you ever see yourself?
[01:03] <nixternal> har har
[01:04] <vorian> which mirror is in chicago?
[01:05] <nixternal> anl.gov
[01:07] <nixternal> the server it is running on I helped build during a LUG meeting
[01:08] <nixternal> i got a free Sun Fire X4200 out of the deal :)
[01:19] <josh-l> whats your download rates from torrent right now?
[01:22] <cernui> I'm more or less 3M full speed (+/- 350 kB/s)
[01:22] <josh-l> cernui, weird, mine is slow i usually get high speeds
[01:26] <cernui> Sorry, looked at the wrong file
[01:26] <cernui> The torrent file is not announced in the download page as I see
[01:27] <cernui> I used the right torrent and I'm having also good speed, maybe you have some ports closed
[02:01] <nixternal> build kubuntu-docs now, will upload after testing...let the translations begin!
[02:01] <JontheEchidna> \o/
[02:10] <Gon> Hi
[02:10] <Gon> I'm testing 9.04 beta un virtualbox...
[02:10] <Gon> Quassel doesn't connect D:
[02:45] <nixternal> A R G H ! ! ! !
[02:46] <dtchen> ?
[02:47] <nixternal> /usr/share/kde* what a mess
[02:49] <nixternal> I am seeing some crazy strangeness with docs
[02:49] <nixternal> I open up the doc in konqueror and khelpcenter by navigating to it using absolute path, works great
[02:49] <nixternal> as soon as I use help:/kubuntu/foo it looks nasty
[02:50] <nixternal> jaunty+1, our docs will use 100% the same stuff kde docs does...maintaining our own xslt and crap is insane, and it is so old
[02:51]  * a|wen_ supposes our docs is like mingling kde3 stuff into kde4...
[02:53] <nixternal> nah, our docs were originally created as part of the Ubuntu Documentation Project...and lets just say there are just some things not worth sharing
[02:55] <a|wen_> he
[03:02] <josh-l> what package installs koffice2... koffice? it's got some odd dependency issues, and wants to remove a lot of packages
[03:13] <a|wen_> josh-l: which ubuntu version?
[03:15] <josh-l> a|wen_: jaunty
[03:16] <a|wen_> josh-l: koffice-kde4 should be the one
[03:17] <josh-l> ok thanks a|wen_
[03:23] <vorian> Sput: just an idea - it would be nice if I could see snotes
[03:23] <vorian> I get a notice from a server, and there is no message in the window
[03:23] <vorian> I do get the message via notification though
[03:25] <josh-l> eh still dont like konqueror as a web browser
[03:26] <a|wen_> josh-l: no problem here ... do you only have the official repos enabled, or does it try to install it from a ppa or something?
[03:26] <josh-l> oh awesome... firefox tabs are fixed
[03:26] <josh-l> a|wen_: what konqueror?
[03:26] <vorian> Sput: never mind
[03:27] <vorian> Sput: there is a weird thing that happens though, i'll take a screenshot for you
[03:27] <a|wen_> josh-l: forget about it ... thought it tried to remove konqueror when you installed koffice-kde4
[03:27] <josh-l> oh no
[03:28]  * a|wen_ just got up, and is still not fully awake
[05:39] <maco> er....has anyone seen kontact loop on checking mails? it just checked the same account constantly for a few minutes. and auto-check is disabled on that account
[07:08] <nixternal> maco: gmail?
[07:09] <maco> no
[07:09] <maco> that one was for the server at work
[07:09] <nixternal> I have witnessed a similar issue with gmail
[07:10] <nixternal> 2am already...jeesh
[07:10] <maco> 3 here ;)
[07:12] <nixternal> another bug bites the dust
[07:12] <nixternal> w00t, fixed about 5 bugs tonight...think that is it
[07:12] <nixternal> though they won't truly be fixed until someone approves the uploads
[07:12] <nixternal> come on archive admins, do your magic
[07:19] <freinhard> Riddell: updated scpk patch http://paste.ubuntu.com:80/138771/
[09:59] <allee> Shouldn't Warning in Beta/Kubuntu/Feedback also mention the repaint problems with qt4.5 (only?) with intel gfx  cards?
[09:59] <Riddell> allee: I had repaint problems before qt 4.5
[09:59] <Riddell> allee: but go for it
[10:03] <a|wen> allee: are you on intel with repaint problems?
[10:05] <allee> a|wen: yes, intel on Dell D630, 830 and E6500.   Only qt apps affected, well, otherway round firefox does not show the problem ;)
[10:06] <a|wen> allee: can i have you test changing to XAA? Add Option "AccelMethod" "XAA" to the Device section in xorg.conf
[10:06] <freinhard> same here, i've been unsing UXA recently (no more garbage on the screen). but Xorg freezes quite often (at least twice a day...)
[10:08] <allee> a|wen: yes,  fwiw a screenshot: http://imagebin.ca/view/ygCvAo.html
[10:09] <a|wen> neat ... more garbage but smaller areas compared to the issues i had
[10:14] <a|wen> freinhard: changing away from EXA fixed all repaint issues for me ... could look like qt4.5 and EXA stepping on each others feet
[10:18] <freinhard> a|wen: that's a matter of fact.
[10:19] <a|wen> and can they agree who needs fixing?
[10:19] <freinhard> i guess intel devs are using gnome and qt devs are using nvidia, so nobody cares ;)
[10:22] <allee> a|wen: there are sometimes bigger too. I just wanted to show several  corrupted apps
[10:22] <freinhard> a|wen: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NzE3MQ
[10:23]  * a|wen uses ati ... nobody cares about that one it seems
[10:24] <freinhard> got no problems with my hd4670 except for missing monitor hotplugging
[10:26] <a|wen> freinhard: i had serious corruptions with EXA ... and a too big virtual screen size (no problem in intrepid) made x.org cry
[10:32] <allee> a|wen: using XAA makes xserver crash with chipset GM45  (Dell Latitude E6500)
[10:32] <a|wen> allee: oh well, then that is not the solution for you ... you might want to look at UXA as freinhard suggests
[10:33] <allee> :)
[10:36] <freinhard> allee: as long as you don't use effects you might not get a X.org crash. using less effects increased the work-time/reboot ratio ;)
[10:37] <allee> a|wen: UXA turn screen to solid black.  vt 1 - vt 6 are solid black too or xserver lock up system :(   Trying harder ...
[10:37]  * allee presses power button :(
[10:38]  * a|wen is sorry for allee :(
[10:39] <freinhard> allee: use sysrq!
[10:40] <freinhard> allee: VT switching does not work for UXA!
[10:43] <a|wen> oh wonderful
[10:45] <Riddell> works here
[10:47] <allee> freeflying: did a remote login before starting UXA.  But UXA -> black screen even with running xfailsafe
[10:49] <ryanakca> Riddell: Don't know what to do about it, sorry. You'll have to bug Ng about it,... hopefully I'll be back tonight with better wireless :)
[10:49] <Riddell> ryanakca: he fixed it
[10:53] <allee> a|wen, freeflying: you have bug no for?    Suggestion for wiki beta 'Warning'   Qt 4.5 shows repaint bugs with some but not all Intel Gfx  Chips  (Bug # here)
[10:53] <EagleScreen> hello
[10:55] <allee> Ah, reminds be:  kwin turn of  composite after resume (with G965 and GM45 intel chipset)   But that not worth another 'Warning' IMHO
[10:55] <EagleScreen> what application should have more priority opening a .deb package in Kubuntu 9.04? currently in my desktop kpackagekit has more priority than gdebi-kde
[10:56] <davmor2> Riddell: I like the irn-brw Kubuntu bottle :D
[11:11] <a|wen> allee: i have no bug ... i'm hit by the ati one instead
[11:25] <agateau> Riddell: ScottK: I am push a fix for bug #349066 atm, but it's a bit ugly: it adds a script to /usr/env/ (a standard dir read by startkde)
[11:25] <agateau> *pushing
[11:30] <freinhard> seele: found your pdf for system-config-printer-kde. did you consider a way how to display conflicts in printers options? gnome's system-config-printer shows a icon next to that option causing the conflict with the message in the tooltip and a popup if you click on it.
[11:39] <Riddell> freinhard: I never worked out why there would be conflicts
[11:41] <freinhard> Riddell: in case you have a printer that supports duplex printing, enable duplex, set 2-sided printing to anything but off, save, disable duplex => conflict
[11:42] <freinhard> Riddell: got that on a hp 2200 and without the patch it gives some ugly output on commandline ;)
[11:44] <Riddell> mm, right
[11:51] <freinhard> Riddell: btw, here's the reminder to rebuild the package after beta ;)
[11:52] <Riddell> freinhard: it's top of my list today, unfortunately I've been battling european train websites
[12:12] <seele> freinhard: i thought 2-sided printing is duplex.. why would there be two options to first enable 2-sided printing and then configure it?
[12:12] <Riddell> freinhard: what shall I put as commit message for your patch?
[12:16] <davmor2> seele: isn't there a difference.  I one not that it prints pages 1 on the front then 2 and repeats for the amount of copies you have then print pages 3 and 4.  And the other prints 1234 then 1234 until all copies are done
[12:17] <freinhard> Riddell: something like "do not acces not existing gui items" for btnConflict and "fix wrong signal connection for changed checkboxes"
[12:18] <davmor2> seele: I think duplex is the latter so you don't need to sort through them in order to clip them together
[12:19] <freinhard> seele: yes duplex is 2-sided printing, i guess that's because the printer options are derived 1:1 from the printers PPD file
[12:22] <seele> davmor2: multiple sides to a side is different from printing on both sides
[12:23] <seele> freinhard: can we capture some of those redundant options and treat them a certain way instead of just diplaying what is in the ppd file?
[12:25] <freinhard> seele: well i'd disable the dropdown as long as the duplex checkbox is not checked. got to dig a bit deeper into the scpk code, no idea how to do that yet ;)
[12:26] <seele> freinhard: couldnt it be done the other way around too? if 2 sided is set to no, that's the same as disabling the duplex option
[12:26] <seele> the fact that there are two options which almost do the same is confusing
[12:26] <seele> reducing it to one would be optimarl
[12:29] <Riddell> freinhard: committed and uploaded, thanks
[12:32] <freinhard> Riddell: yw!
[12:34] <Riddell> freinhard: as you'll have noticed there's plenty other bits with s-c-p-k to be fixed up before release, feel free to have a go at them :)
[12:37] <jtechidna> Err http://archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/main python2.6 2.6.1-1ubuntu5
[12:37] <jtechidna>   403 Forbidden [IP: 91.189.88.46 80]
[12:37] <jtechidna> wtf? 403?
[12:37] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: You don't want that one.
[12:38] <ScottK> That's to keep more systems from getting broken until they can get a fix uploaded.
[12:38] <JontheEchidna> oh, well it sure breaks pbuilder
[12:39] <ScottK> More importantly it breaks update-manager.
[12:39] <ScottK> If you get the update that is.
[12:39]  * JontheEchidna nods
[12:40] <JontheEchidna> Could I get sponsorship for bug 326648?
[12:41] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: onto it
[12:41] <JontheEchidna> There's also bug 346813, it seems that both gtk2-engines-qtcurve and kde-style-qtcurve are in main now...
[12:42]  * JontheEchidna has used the QtCurves since he posted the packages on the bug for testing
[12:44] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: why is kde-style-qtcurve-kdeconfig being removed?
[12:44] <JontheEchidna> Oh, that
[12:45] <JontheEchidna> Qt can use KDE styles now, and the way we were separating it was a real hack
[12:45] <Riddell> KDE styles?  there's only ever been Qt styles
[12:46] <JontheEchidna> if that's the case, then it probably shouldn't have been split the way it was in the first place
[12:49] <JontheEchidna> Oh, another reason was that it would have been nearly impossible to split out the kwin style if we didn't switch to cdbs/away from the hack
[12:50] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: so there's no /usr/lib/qt4/plugins/styles/qtcurve.so any more?
[12:50] <JontheEchidna> bug 319331 too unless you're already sick of sponsoring my uploads :D
[12:50] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: Right
[12:50] <Riddell> seems like more then a bugfix release this
[12:50] <Riddell> uploaded anyhoo
[12:51] <JontheEchidna> Thanks
[12:55] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: amarok uploaded
[12:56] <JontheEchidna> Thanks a lot, that's all that I needed sponsored (that I can remember :P)
[12:59]  * JontheEchidna will try going for core-dev next cycle
[13:04] <vorian> Riddell: ping
[13:04] <Riddell> vorian: if you're quick
[13:04] <vorian> Riddell: my serer is down - i hope you have pulled tarballs :/
[13:05] <vorian> Riddell: if not, i'll figure something else out
[13:05] <Riddell> vorian: can get them from ktown
[13:05] <Riddell> but the oxygen-icons thing is a mess
[13:06] <vorian> ah...
[13:06] <vorian> Riddell: i can get them, I don't have a place to stash them for everyone else to help with
[13:08] <Riddell> vorian: I'm out for an hour, will sort something out when I get back
[13:08] <vorian> Riddell: ok
[13:08] <vorian> Riddell: we already had some stuff started last night :)
[13:10] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: just curious, the new oxygen tarball is a mess in what way?
[13:16]  * vorian has not liked this week very much at all
[13:17] <JontheEchidna> ~order tea, earl grey, hot for vorian
[13:17]  * kubotu is replicating a hot cup of earl grey for captain vorian.
[13:22] <Sput> !order tea, Shogun
[13:22] <Sput> ~order tea, Shogun
[13:22]  * kubotu slides tea, shogun down the bar to Sput
[13:26] <ScottK> I am supposed to have an icon that tells me there are updates in Jaunty, right?
[13:26] <JontheEchidna> Yeah, update-notifier-kde
[13:27] <ScottK> Hmmm.  60 updates. No icon.
[13:27] <JontheEchidna> python-qt4-dbus could be busted and update-notifier-kde could be crashing
[13:27] <ScottK> That's it.
[13:28] <JontheEchidna> reinstalling python-qt4-dbus seems to fix it, but that's a workaround
[13:39] <ScottK> It's a|wen's Bug #348704 that describes the problem.
[13:40] <ScottK> Urgh.  And doko offline too.
[13:56] <ScottK> OK.  I'm officially confused.
[13:56] <ScottK> Riddell: Unless you can figure out ^^^ I think we need to bring it up at the release team meeting today (which I'll be able to attend after all).
[14:16] <ScottK> OK.  ^^^ is on the release team's radar
[14:25] <agateau> Riddell: branch for bug #349066 is here: bazaar.launchpad.net/~agateau/kubuntu-default-settings/add-network-applet
[14:25] <agateau> Riddell: branch for bug #349066 is here: bazaar.launchpad.net/~agateau/kubuntu-default-settings/add-network-applet
[14:26] <agateau> (oups, double post)
[14:26]  * agateau is sleepy
[14:31] <ScottK> agateau: I added a k-d-s task to the bug.
[14:32]  * agateau needs to figure out what is a task for a bug :)
[14:36] <ScottK> :-)
[14:37] <ScottK> If you look at the bug now, you'll see it affects both ubuntu-release-notes and Ubuntu's kubuntu-default-settings.
[14:37] <vital> I'm running jaunty beta and trying to upgrade it (apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade) it say that three python deb's are missing.. is that known already or should I file a bugreport?
[14:38] <ScottK> vital: Known.  There was a bad Python upload that broke a lot of stuff, so they blocked it until the fix gets out.
[14:39] <ScottK> It's been publishes and so should be on a mirror near you soonish.
[14:39] <ScottK> publishes/published.
[14:39] <vital> ScottK, okay, thanks.
[14:39] <JontheEchidna> fwiw I'm just getting the fixed update
[14:39] <JontheEchidna> your results may vary (tm)
[14:39] <vital> :)
[15:22] <Quintasan> nixternal: ping
[15:23] <Riddell> ScottK: that python-qt4-dbus upgrade bug is mysterious and important
[15:24] <ScottK> Riddell: At the release meeting mvo got tagged to look into it.
[15:24] <ScottK> Anyone else get double notifications from the NM widget?
[15:26] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Did you get yours from the US mirror or straight from the source?
[15:26] <nixternal> Quintasan: pong
[15:27] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: archive.ubuntu.com, which I suppose is the US mirror
[15:27] <Quintasan> nixternal: I'm sure all kubuntu-docs string have translation suggestions :P
[15:27] <Quintasan> nixternal: strings*
[15:28] <nixternal> I have no idea what that means to be honest :)
[15:28]  * Quintasan thinks he screwd something
[15:33] <a|wen> ScottK: the python-qt4-dbus thing could be due to some pycentral foo ... i suspect you've read the debian-python mail-list about it; and as i understand it there've been some recent bug fixes to pycentral after lenny release
[15:33] <Quintasan> grrr, whats with
[15:35] <ScottK> a|wen: Could be.  I'm glad it got punted to someone with more in depth knowledge than me.
[15:36] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: No, that's the Canonical data center.
[15:37] <a|wen> ScottK: yeah ... is very strange, so let's hope they figure it out
[15:40] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: Are there any other ways I can access diffs from kde websvn? I wanted to check how many files are changed to make Kopete notifications stack.
[15:40] <JontheEchidna> other ways than what way?
[15:41] <Quintasan> WebSVN is broken right now. I usually get diffs from there :/
[15:41]  * JontheEchidna is browsing websvn as we speak
[15:41] <Quintasan> lol?
[15:42] <JontheEchidna> srsly
[15:42]  * JontheEchidna sees if he can get a diff
[15:43] <JontheEchidna> or I could just email you the files
[15:43] <JontheEchidna> and you could make your own diff?
[15:43] <Quintasan> Hmm I guess I can try :)
[15:44] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: you have my email address?
[15:44] <JontheEchidna> I think you emailed me a patch once, so I should
[15:47] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: these will all go in kdelibs/plasma, with the exception of the _p.h files which go in kdelibs/plasma/private
[15:49] <freinhard> Quintasan: did you try the reviewboard?
[15:50] <freinhard> Quintasan: should be the easiest way to find out what changed...
[15:50] <freinhard> http://reviewboard.kde.org/groups/kopete/
[15:50] <JontheEchidna> it wouldn't be a kopete change, but rather a plasma change
[15:51] <JontheEchidna> notifications/kio jobs are now groupable in general
[15:55] <freinhard> http://reviewboard.kde.org/r/242/
[15:59] <JontheEchidna> oh, I guess we were thinking about two different features :)
[16:00] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: thanks for files
[16:00] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: might not have been what you were looking for
[16:00] <Quintasan> freinhard: also thanks, this will be helpful :3
[16:00] <JontheEchidna> freinhard's link may be more helpful in the end
[16:01] <Quintasan> hmm that is what I was talking about :P
[16:01] <Quintasan> It's too late now to get it included?
[16:01] <JontheEchidna> definitely
[16:02] <JontheEchidna> we have freezes up the arse now
[16:03]  * a|wen suspects JontheEchidna hit the wrong button
[16:03] <JontheEchidna> ?
[16:03] <JontheEchidna> oh, maybe konversation-kde4's topic stuff is busted
[16:03] <JontheEchidna> wow, that sure messed things up
[16:03] <freinhard> beta in less than 24 hours? hmm JontheEchidna share your timemachine with us! ;)
[16:04] <a|wen> :)
[16:04] <JontheEchidna> That's what I meant
[16:05] <a|wen> much better, he
[16:17] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: If the patch creates a file x.cfg, should I do quilt add x.cfg?
[16:18] <JontheEchidna> quilt add, then place the file where it should be
[16:18] <JontheEchidna> then it will be picked up in quilt refresh along with everything else
[16:18] <Quintasan> ok, thanks
[16:19] <a|wen> has anybody else noticed, that a crashing app doesn't bring up a crash/backtrace dialog?
[16:20] <Riddell> a|wen: it ought to put it's stuff in /var/crash and bring up apport
[16:21] <a|wen> it puts the stuff in /var/crash but nothing pops up
[16:21] <ScottK> a|wen: Intrepid or Jaunty?
[16:21] <josh-l> surprised, installed beta last night, and already 60+ upgrades?
[16:22] <a|wen> jaunty
[16:22] <ScottK> OK.
[16:22] <ScottK> josh-l: That's all the stuff that couldn't be accepted during the beta freeze.
[16:22] <josh-l> ohhh
[16:22] <a|wen> i've had kontact and gwenview crash until now with no pop-ups so seem consistent
[16:22] <josh-l> scott_ev: should i have done a dist-upgrade instead of the simple upgrade i did?
[16:23] <scott_ev> not necessarily
[16:24] <scott_ev> I've had good success with both
[16:24] <rickspencer3> Riddell: ScottK JontheEchidna etc...
[16:24] <rickspencer3> how do you all feel about the Beta so far?
[16:25] <josh-l> scott_ev: I was going to do a dist-upgrade but aptitude showed some issues, so i just quit and did a regular upgrade and it started with out problems...
[16:25] <ScottK> I'm having some unfortunate window painting problems I didn't have with 4.2.0 on Intrepid (with Qt4.4) and my wireless is still flaky (so upgrading didn't fix my kernel problems).
[16:26] <JontheEchidna> rickspencer3: pretty good
[16:26] <ScottK> I'm still on my first boot since the upgrade, so I have hopes the the window painting stuff will pass.  I've seen such before.
[16:27] <Quintasan> It becomes unresponsive after some hours, restarting X helps :3
[16:27] <ScottK> For good news, I had zero upgrade problems.  That's important.
[16:27] <ScottK> I did file some bugs and the important ones are being addressed.
[16:27] <rickspencer3> It looks like Intel+X is shaping up to be a bit of a problem child for Jaunty, are you guys seeing that in Ubuntu as well?
[16:27]  * ScottK waves to agateau.
[16:27] <rickspencer3> I mean in Kubuntu :P
[16:27] <ScottK> It should be the same.
[16:28] <Riddell> intel+X+Qt seems to be a paticular problem
[16:28] <ScottK> i865 at least starts now.
[16:28] <ScottK> Ah.
[16:28]  * ScottK did not know that.
[16:28] <rickspencer3> ScottK: yeah, but I was wondering what you're hearing from the Kubuntu user community
[16:28]  * Quintasan is sometimes happy about having an ATi card
[16:28] <rickspencer3> the 8xx chipsets work for some people, not others
[16:28] <a|wen> rickspencer3: i've heard lots of complains about intel and repaint problems
[16:29]  * ScottK looks around at his 100% Intel (FOSS friendly, right) and despairs a bit.
[16:29] <rickspencer3> ScottK: exactly
[16:29] <freinhard> got a i855, shows the same video garbage with EXA as my i915
[16:30] <rickspencer3> I chose a particular Dell machine because I wanted all FOSS drivers, and look what it got me :)
[16:30] <ScottK> Yep.
[16:30] <rickspencer3> actually, it's not that bad a of a situation on the newer Intel chips
[16:30] <Riddell> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/JauntyJackalope/Beta/Kubuntu/Feedback  not much feedback yet
[16:30]  * JontheEchidna cowers behind his ancient proprietary nvidia
[16:30]  * ScottK notices he's typing on a Dell laptop...
[16:31] <rickspencer3> other than that (and another X bug related to user switching) Ubuntu seems to be shaping up very nicely for Jaunty
[16:31] <JontheEchidna> my card has had repainting problems since 4.0 in konsole, the add widgets dialog, etc, but overal enOK
[16:31] <ScottK> rickspencer3: My painting problems are on 945GM/GMS
[16:31] <JontheEchidna> wtf, my keyboard is dropping keys under high cpu load
[16:31] <rickspencer3> ScottK: is that the indirect direct rendering problem?
[16:31] <a|wen> rickspencer3: someone mentioned that the intel chipsets on Dell D630, 830 and E6500 was hit
[16:31] <rickspencer3> does uxa fix it?
[16:31]  * ScottK has no idea.
[16:32]  * ScottK should try it.
[16:32]  * ScottK just upgraded yesterday 
[16:32] <rickspencer3> uxa is nifty, and faster, but if you have a multi-user machine, it doesn't seem to work so well
[16:32] <rickspencer3> switching users seems problematic
[16:32] <a|wen> rickspencer3: it does ... for those chipsets where it works
[16:33] <a|wen> rickspencer3: i heard that vt switching didn't work at all on UXA
[16:33] <rickspencer3> yeah, uxa is close, but not quite ready for prime time, afict
[16:33] <a|wen> rickspencer3: got a screenshot earlier from one with the problem http://imagebin.ca/view/ygCvAo.html
[16:33] <rickspencer3> however, it's super easy to turn on (one line xorg.conf)
[16:33] <rickspencer3> so if it work for you, you can do it
[16:34] <rickspencer3> that looks pretty bad
[16:34] <rickspencer3> a|wen: does that happen when you move windows around?
[16:34] <a|wen> rickspencer3: if you have older ati chipsets there can be problems as well ... switching to XAA in that case might fix it
[16:35] <josh-l> why would a dist-upgrade have install issues, right now, but an upgrade be ok?
[16:35] <a|wen> rickspencer3: i'm running ati ... but they just appeared; no need to move anything around
[16:35] <rickspencer3> weird
[16:35] <ScottK> Because upgrad just upgrades existing packages, but dist-upgrade will install new ones.
[16:36] <josh-l> ScottK: do I need to do the dist-upgrade on the beta right now? or is the upgrade enough?
[16:36] <ScottK> If you upgrade and it says no packages are held back, you're fine.
[16:37] <a|wen> rickspencer3: very weird ... you can have ~20-25% of the screen like that on some occasions; is close to unusable
[16:37] <josh-l> ScottK: said one package not to be upgraded... should I run the dist-upgrade when  upgrade finishes?
[16:37] <ScottK> Yes.
[16:37] <josh-l> ok thanks ScottK
[16:38] <rickspencer3> a|wen: is there a bug # for that?
[16:38] <josh-l> did anyone else get a strange looking boot splash screen after installing beta?
[16:39] <a|wen> rickspencer3: started looking for a bug-number for the ati one, but forgot about it again ... i'll see if i can find something
[16:40] <a|wen> rickspencer3: the ati one is bug 338669
[16:41] <josh-l> I still got the same shutdown issues I had before (running on a dell lalptop) shutdown just stops at "*system will now halt" screen, though reboot now works
[16:42] <rickspencer3> a|wen: I asked bryce to take a look
[16:42] <rickspencer3> if you have any more info, feel free to attach it to the bug
[16:43] <a|wen> rickspencer3: thanks ... sadly not; only know that changing from EXA to XAA fixes everything for me as well
[16:44] <josh-l> brb rebooting
[16:45] <ScottK> rickspencer3: Good call.  The after 30 seconds review is uxa seems MUCH crisper here and no repaint issues.
[16:46] <rickspencer3> ScottK: great
[16:46] <rickspencer3> however, in Ubuntu anyway, there are some stability issues, especially wrt user switching
[16:48] <rickspencer3> so we can't turn on uxa by default until Karmic :(
[16:48] <rickspencer3> are you guys getting lots of bug reports, in general?
[16:48] <smarter> ScottK: testing uxa?
[16:48] <ScottK> smarter: Yes.
[16:48] <smarter> any problem with desktop effects/firefox scrolling/anything? :)
[16:48] <ScottK> Not so far.
[16:49] <ScottK> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:27a2] (rev 03)
[16:49] <ScottK> ;-)
[16:51] <ScottK> rickspencer3: Assuming this proves to be stable, uxa resolves my X related grumbles about Jaunty.
[16:52] <Riddell> UXA working perfectly for me
[16:53] <smarter> ScottK: what kind of problems did you have with exa/jaunty?
[16:53] <ScottK> Slow, window redraws missing, just all sorts of pain except not at all crashy.
[16:54]  * ScottK wonders if we can add an 'enable uxa' GUI like we did for dontzap?
[16:55] <smarter> bad idea imho
[16:55] <smarter> if $user isn't experienced enough to find out how to enable it, he'd better not try it
[16:55] <ScottK> Probably.
[16:55] <smarter> would be interesting if you tested some 3D games
[16:56] <ScottK> I'm just really impressed how much faster it is.
[16:56]  * ScottK has no 3D games.
[16:56] <smarter> apt-get them :)
[16:56]  * ScottK was actually supposed to do some $WORK today.
[16:57] <smarter> oh, that might conflict then :p
[16:58] <ScottK> BTW, I didn't get dontzap installed on upgrade.  I thought that was supposed to come with kubuntu-desktop?
[16:59] <rickspencer3> ScottK: I thought Alberto added it as a checkbox in some control panel somewhere in Kubuntu?
[16:59] <rickspencer3> so you don't need don't zap, as it's a Kubuntu setting
[16:59] <smarter> rickspencer3: iirc, the systemsettings checkbox uses dontzap internally
[17:00] <ScottK> yes.
[17:00] <smarter> ScottK: kdebase-workspace-bin recommends dontzap
[17:00] <smarter> that's all
[17:00] <Riddell> there's a bug filed on update-manager for that I believe
[17:00] <ScottK> OK.  Thanks.
[17:06] <josh-l> hey folks, i got issues, clean beta install... upgraded... still I get stuck on one of two screens when shutting down, or rebooting: "*system will now halt" or when rebooting "*styem will now restart"
[17:06] <josh-l> help?
[17:06] <smarter> josh-l: looks kernel related, can't help more unfortunately
[17:07] <ScottK> josh-l: How old is the laptop?
[17:07] <smarter> try googling a bit, there's a few commands you can try to add to grub to workaround that
[17:07] <smarter> stuff like noapic acpi=off
[17:07] <josh-l> ScottK: not old, 2008
[17:08] <ScottK> OK.  What smarter says then.
[17:08] <josh-l> i dont really want to turn off my acpi though
[17:08] <ScottK> It's almost certainly kernel related, so nothing we could help with here.
[17:09] <josh-l> hrmm ok
[17:09] <josh-l> would it be a horrible idea to downgrade the kernel?
[17:09] <smarter> shouldn't break anything in particular
[17:09] <smarter> you could try with a more recent kernel too
[17:10] <josh-l> smarter: is there anything in the repos more recent?
[17:10] <smarter> the ubuntu kernel team provides .deb of 2.6.29 in a separate repo
[17:10] <smarter> let me find that...
[17:10] <josh-l> thanks
[17:10] <josh-l> i mean to be honest i dont even reboot, or shutdown that often :)
[17:10] <josh-l> i guess i could live with it for the time being
[17:11] <smarter> josh-l: here it is http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v2.6.29/
[17:11] <josh-l> thanks smarter
[17:11] <smarter> trying an older kernel would be interesting too, to see if it's a regression
[17:11] <josh-l> could I even use an older kernel if im using ext4?
[17:14] <smarter> hmm, that'd be more problematic
[17:14] <josh-l> is it necessarily all that bad to ctrl+alt+delete out of the "*system will now halt" or "system will now restart" screens? (for the time being until its fixed)
[17:14] <smarter> as nothing should be running at the time you see that message it should be ok I guess
[17:15] <josh-l> smarter: i could reinstall with ext3, and then downgrade kernel if you think thats a good idea?
[17:15] <smarter> josh-l: if you really have time to lose you could do that yes
[17:15] <josh-l> upgradings to 2.6.29 wont matter right?
[17:15] <josh-l> for ext4
[17:15] <smarter> yup
[17:15] <josh-l> it will matter?
[17:16] <smarter> no it won't :)
[17:16] <josh-l> oh ok :)
[17:16] <smarter> using 2.6.29 with ext4 here, no particular problem
[17:16] <josh-l> i'll try that before reinstalling using ext3 then
[17:16] <Lure> Riddell: no bug 347587 with UXA?
[17:17] <josh-l> smarter: one last thing, do I need to add that to sources.lst (the 2.6.29 url you gave me)?
[17:17] <Riddell> Lure: mm, now you come to mention it, I do get that
[17:17] <smarter> josh-l: it's not a deb repository
[17:18] <smarter> josh-l: you have to manually download and install the .debs
[17:18] <josh-l> oh so no :) ok
[17:18] <Lure> Riddell: please add your HW info to bug
[17:18] <smarter> josh-l: think you'll be able to find what packages to install and what not to install? :)
[17:18] <josh-l> smarter: uh yea :P
[17:19] <Lure> Riddell: but otherwise UXA is great - nop redraw problems like bug 279727
[17:20] <Riddell> done
[17:25] <Lure> Riddell: thanks - I am still trying to get upstream attention, as they consider it fixed
[17:29]  * Riddell hugs nixternal for docs getting uploaded
[17:35] <josh-l> smarter: fixed all problems with the kernel upgrade!!
[17:35] <smarter> great
[17:36] <josh-l> is there a repo I can add somehow that will have kernels that up to date?
[17:36] <smarter> don't think so
[17:36] <smarter> you usually don't want to upgrade to every beta kernel thought :)
[17:36] <smarter> josh-l: fill a bug report with your laptop model and indicating that using 2.6.29 fixed the problem
[17:36] <smarter> the fix may be backportable
[17:36] <josh-l> smarter: right and I probably wont need to upgrade before full jaunty release anyways
[17:36] <josh-l> ok
[17:37] <seele> yay beta time.. back to being useful
[17:37] <josh-l> smarter: I havent filled out a bug report in years... literaly, where ?
[17:37] <smarter> josh-l: http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu
[17:38] <josh-l> thanks
[17:40] <Riddell> ooh, a|wen on behind motu
[17:41] <a|wen> :)
[17:42] <josh-l> smarter: shall i add that i found the bug in the 2.6.28 linux-image package?
[17:43] <Riddell> a|wen: where's the photo taken?
[17:43] <smarter> josh-l: say you're using up to date jaunty, they'll know what kernel this is
[17:43] <a|wen> Riddell: at the Angkor Wat area in Cambodia ... was there last weekend
[17:46] <smarter> josh-l: output of dpkg -l|grep linux-image might be useful to clarify things
[17:46] <nixternal> ok, kplayer is severely broken on the FTBFS side...more than likely do to it not supporting KDE 4.2...rkward is also broken and is by far an annoying package...these are the only 2 packages left that install docs to /usr/share/doc/kde4 and they both are FTBFS
[17:46] <josh-l> okay ill add that smarter
[17:46] <nixternal> so if anyone wants a challenge, rkward and kplayer is it :)
[17:47]  * a|wen already gave up on kplayer
[17:47] <nixternal> An eerie image of a figure at a Scottish castle has got ghost experts spooked. The scary shot was unearthed during the biggest ever investigation into photographic evidence of ghosts.
[17:47] <nixternal> Riddell: you playing with the photographers at the Tantallon Castle?
[17:48] <josh-l> smarter: is this alright? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/349778
[17:48] <nixternal> http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00765/tantallon-ghost_280_765667a.jpg
[17:49] <smarter> josh-l: looks good, thought the bug title could be a little more informative
[17:50] <josh-l> smarter: can i change after?
[17:50] <smarter> josh-l: yup, there's a button to edit
[17:50] <smarter> josh-l: also, interesting, you're running the inspiron 1525 which should be fully supported on Ubuntu by Dell
[17:50] <josh-l> smarter: exactly
[17:51] <smarter> that should be enough to convince someone to look at it:)
[17:51] <Riddell> nixternal: aye, I take all the energy created by my frustration at qt4-x11 taking yonks to build and channel it at their cameras
[17:51] <josh-l> smarter: give me a better title
[17:51] <nixternal> hahaha
[17:52] <smarter> something like "[jaunty] Inspiron 1525 get stucks on "System will now halt", works with 2.6.29"
[17:52] <josh-l> yeah that is better
[17:52] <josh-l> :)
[17:59] <josh-l> smarter: title fixed
[18:01] <smarter> looks good.
[18:40] <neversfelde> ist it possible for me to change the kubuntu docs?
[18:41] <Riddell> neversfelde: it's in bzr, but somewhat frozen now
[18:41] <Riddell> ask nixternal for details
[18:44] <josh-l> anyone know if stasks for the kde panel is available for kubuntu in any repos yet? or if it will be?
[18:44] <neversfelde> Riddell: thanks, it is not so important and I will remeber, when they are open again
[18:51] <nixternal> neversfelde: what needs to be changed?
[18:51] <nixternal> ya, they won't be open until karmic
[18:51] <nixternal> unless it is a major issue, then it can be changed
[18:52] <neversfelde> nixternal: in systemsettings is said, that kcontrol is still available
[18:52] <nixternal> argh, that was supposed to be removed...I had even tagged it
[18:52] <neversfelde> and I translated it :)
[18:52] <nixternal> ya, that wouldn't be considered major enough for a jaunty fix, but it is tagged
[18:52] <nixternal> haha, translate it to say "IT AIN'T HERE HOMESKILLET" :)
[18:53] <neversfelde> hehe
[18:53] <nixternal> wait a second
[18:54] <nixternal> there is nothing about KControl in the bzr repo
[18:54] <nixternal> nixternal@KaboWabo:~/opensource/ubuntu/docs/kubuntu-jaunty/docs$ grep -r KControl *
[18:54] <nixternal> nixternal@KaboWabo:~/opensource/ubuntu/docs/kubuntu-jaunty/docs$
[18:54] <nixternal> nada
[18:55] <nixternal> sounds like you might be translating old stuff possibly
[18:56] <neversfelde> "KControl is still there" is in the german template for systemsettings
[18:56] <neversfelde> Located in system-settings/C/system-settings.xml:44(title)
[18:57] <nixternal> wth, it is in LP translation though....something isn't right
[18:58] <nixternal> https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty/+source/kubuntu-docs/+imports
[18:59] <nixternal> it says they are waiting to be imported...how do they get imported?
[18:59] <nixternal> who does the importing?
[18:59] <ScottK> nixternal: #launchpad.  It needs manual approval by LP people.
[18:59] <nixternal> do all translations need this?
[18:59] <ScottK> AFAIK, yes.
[19:00]  * ScottK knows enough about the LP translation system to consider it extremely broken and then quit caring for more detail.
[19:00] <nixternal> I do not ever remember doing that in the past
[19:00] <nixternal> ya, I am feeling the same
[19:01] <ScottK> Dunno, but #launchpad is the place.
[19:02] <nixternal> wow
[19:02] <nixternal> KDE translations are so much easier dude
[19:02] <nixternal> people grab the .pot files, use that translation app, and before you know it, boom, you have translations :)
[19:03]  * nixternal wonders how many people read his blog post about translations
[19:03]  * nixternal hopes not many ;p
[19:03] <nixternal> but from the looks of it, a few have already started
[19:03] <nixternal> but that is fin, because they are probably translating stuff that stayed in the documentation
[19:17] <a|wen> JontheEchidna: you our amarok man? ... i think we very much want to keep an eye on kde bug 184714 if a fix appears
[19:18] <JontheEchidna> not particularly, but I am our bug man (tm)
[19:18] <a|wen> you did last upload at least :)
[19:19] <tomsdale> Hello - I just made you 3 screenshots of my jaunty kde artistic crash. http://www.avecstyle.ca/screenshots/1.jpg   ( also 2.jpg / 3.jpg)
[19:19] <ScottK-desktop> Amarok packaging is so much fun, I'm reasonably certain everyone else will be content to make sure JontheEchidna stays TIL until apachelogger's return.
[19:19] <tomsdale> what do you think is happening? I have compiz enabled and this time I could still turn the desktop cube.
[19:19]  * JontheEchidna hides
[19:20] <ScottK-desktop> JontheEchidna: To late.
[19:21] <ScottK-desktop> tomsdale: Generally, I'd say don't use compiz with KDE4.
[19:21] <ScottK-desktop> No specific thoughts though.
[19:22] <tomsdale> I had the feeling too it doesn't integrate as well as under Gnome. But I guess there is no point in opening a bug report with just a screenshot...
[19:23]  * a|wen can't see a point in using compiz with kde4
[19:26] <tomsdale> for some light eyecandy like window animations and the desktop cube? I guess the same reasons why someone would use it on Gnome.
[19:36] <a|wen> tomsdale: in kde there is already kwin making eyecandy, window animations, flying stuff (all that i could ever wish for and more)
[19:36] <a|wen> s/kde/kde4
[19:40] <tomsdale> hm - maybe I missunderstood then. I'm just using the default "Enable Desktop Effects" in the system configuration. I didn't install compiz as an extra - just using what came with kde4 by default.
[19:41] <a|wen> then you are most likely using kwin effects
[19:42] <JontheEchidna> It could be driver funkiness, ati and intel are known to be troublemakers this time around
[19:43] <tomsdale> I think so too ... I just thought that was "compiz" because the effects are so similar. I heard about Intel making trouble but I have an NVidia NVS 160 with the latest nonfree-driver.
[20:22] <gabgom> hello
[20:25] <gabgom> the hp-toolbox dont work
[20:27] <a|wen> gabgom: in jaunty?
[20:28] <gabgom> yes
[20:29] <a|wen> gabgom: did you upgrade from intrepid?
[20:29] <gabgom> no from jaunty alfa
[20:30] <gabgom> CUPSEXT could not be loaded. Please check HPLIP installation.
[20:30] <gabgom>  
[20:31] <gabgom> this is the error it gives
[20:31] <gabgom> starting in console
[20:31] <a|wen> gabgom: can you try to do a reinstall of python-qt4-dbus ?
[20:31] <gabgom> ok
[20:35] <gabgom> I have done it and I have got the same error
[20:35] <gabgom> This was working before one update
[20:36] <a|wen> then it isn't the known problem ...
[20:36] <a|wen> gabgom: which version of python do you have?
[20:37] <gabgom> looking it
[20:40] <gabgom> 2.6 I think
[20:41] <a|wen> gabgom: "apt-cache policy python" should give you the exact version
[20:43] <gabgom> 2.6.1-Oubuntu7 0
[20:43] <josh-l> lots of updates for beta seem to be continuously added
[20:43] <nixternal> hp-toolbox is working here afaics
[20:44] <a|wen> okay, so not the accursed python version ... then it's a good question
[20:45] <gabgom> If a setup from beta is It going to solve the problem ?
[20:45] <gabgom> I meant starting from zero.
[20:52] <ScottK> Riddell: I didn't find a bug on making sure dontzap is installed, so I added Bug #349886.
[20:54] <gabgom> or is it a bug ?
[20:55] <ScottK-desktop> It's a bug and I can't start it either.
[20:58] <josh-l> okay issue
[20:58] <josh-l> dist-upgrade is wanting to remove a ton of stuff:
[20:59] <josh-l> http://paste.ubuntu.com/139188/
[20:59] <josh-l> help anyone?
[21:01] <josh-l> yelp
[21:02] <josh-l> ScottK: any ideas?
[21:03] <a|wen> josh-l: just say no
[21:03] <josh-l> a|wen: to everything in dist-upgrade?
[21:04] <a|wen> josh-l: it's due to some package and/or archive inconsistency ... you'll see this again when running pre-release
[21:04] <ScottK> josh-l: As a|wen says.
[21:04] <josh-l> a|wen: so just dont dist-upgrade ever (during beta) ?
[21:04] <a|wen> josh-l: if it tries to remove a lot of stuff, just say no ... it will probably work again in a day or two to dist-upgrade
[21:05] <ScottK> No, not ever, you need to sometimes, just pay attention and don't let it do stuff like that.
[21:05] <josh-l> ah ok will do
[21:05] <ScottK> josh-l: Also I like apt-get better than aptitude in general because it's dependency resolver is less complete and in general it just gives up instead of trying to remove half your system.
[21:06] <Quintasan> oh, finally finished building
[21:06] <josh-l> ScottK: good point, i'll just use aptitude when installing and removing specific stuff then
[21:07] <josh-l> hmm apt-get upgrade keeps back kdelibs5-data that sounds imiportant
[21:07] <a|wen> josh-l: just some inconsistency ... wait a day or two, and it will work out fine
[21:08] <josh-l> okay patience is the name of the game :)
[21:08] <gabgom> ok
[21:13]  * Quintasan is happy
[21:13] <josh-l> man I never like operating systems, i'm enjoying one again for the first time in years, even linux although running it for 6 or more years, i disliked it somewhat, just feeling no OS was really any good, but I've got really good feelings about Linux again... good for them/me
[21:15]  * apachelogger always gets bad feelings when thinking about linux
[21:15]  * a|wen hugs Quintasan
[21:15] <apachelogger> though I am messed-up alright :S
[21:15] <apachelogger> uh uh uh
[21:16] <apachelogger> a|wen: are you going to re that mercurial mail?
[21:17] <a|wen> apachelogger: mercurial mail?
[21:17] <apachelogger> hm
[21:17] <apachelogger> the mail about mercurial support in dolphin
[21:17] <apachelogger> @kubuntu-devel that is
[21:18]  * a|wen thought mercurial was a VCS
[21:18] <apachelogger> it is
[21:18] <apachelogger> if I understand that dood correctly he means a KIO slave for mercurial
[21:19] <apachelogger> like svn://
[21:19] <a|wen> oh; now i understand it
[21:20] <ScottK> Hg is written in python.  I find it quite ironic the the Debian packaging for Hg is maintained in the Python Applications Packaging Team svn.
[21:21] <apachelogger> hm, if only the PAPT would be using git-svn ;-)
[21:30] <a|wen> mr. mercurial is answered
[21:37] <apachelogger> a|wen++
[21:37]  * apachelogger is way too tired => bed
[21:39] <josh-l> whats the easiest way to create a custom usplash?
[21:40] <nixternal> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-translators/2009-March/002221.html
[21:41] <nixternal> I think that would make more sense if it was sent to say the Ubuntu Docs mailing list of the Kubuntu Devel mailing list
[21:43] <Quintasan> oh wait, so what I was translating until now? :D
[21:45] <smarter> josh-l: custom usplash aren't really easy to do :p
[21:45] <smarter> josh-l: and usplash will be replaced by plymouth in next ubuntu release anyway
[21:45] <josh-l> smarter: in jaunty final?
[21:45] <smarter> nop
[21:45] <nixternal> Quintasan: not the new stuff...still waiting for it to be imported which has to be done manually, and seems there is only 1 person who does that
[21:45] <josh-l> ah
[21:45] <smarter> josh-l: karmic
[21:45] <nixternal> and it seems that one person is gone for the day
[21:46] <nixternal> ScottK: Rosetta is awesome!
[21:46] <josh-l> smarter: i hope the boot splash gets a rework, i find it lacking in looks
[21:47] <josh-l> did the usplash change in jaunty beta release or is that just something odd with my particular installation? its much smaller, and so is the progress bar
[21:50] <josh-l> smarter: do you know?
[21:51] <smarter> it changed
[21:51] <smarter> recently
[21:51] <smarter> not sure if that happened in beta
[21:51] <josh-l> smarter: did it change to what I just described?
[21:52] <smarter> no idea, my setup is kind of broken so I don't have usplash
[21:52] <smarter> ask Riddell :)
[21:59] <ScottK> nixternal: I can feel the love from here.
[22:00] <nixternal> just a little
[22:02] <NCommander> ScottK, feel like sponsoring something?
[22:34] <ScottK> Just on my way out the door for the evening.
[23:39] <josh-l> weird gimp toolbox isnt showing in the taskmanager
[23:55] <Quintasan> josh-l: newest "feature" of GIMP