[00:05] beta has been released for ubuntu... kubuntu? [00:05] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/jaunty/beta/ [00:06] oh I was thinking we'd wait a week [00:06] no need to hurry really [00:07] for me there is [00:08] but the power trip is to much to resist! we can play with people's minds! [00:10] oh it is out [00:10] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/jaunty/beta/ [00:10] what?! who let it out without my authorisation! it'll be the gallows when I find out! [00:10] no cds any longer? [00:10] patience grasshoppers ;) [00:11] getting old, gotta sleep ;) [00:11] CDs? this is the 20th century! we don't want people downloading it in less than a day, blu-ray only [00:11] LoL [00:11] :) [00:12] cd? whats that I use those newfangled usb drive thingies [00:12] noone seeding :( [00:12] small iso for a small usb stick [00:15] in this moment i discovered i put the pre beta daily on a red hat branded usb stick [00:15] small bug after updating from 8.10 [00:15] claydoh, what [00:15] no dont-zap option in the display config [00:15] as I said, small :) [00:15] I have that [00:16] seeders needed [00:16] josh-l: go for it :) [00:16] claydoh, have to download it first... gonna take 2hours from http [00:18] josh-l: takes me longer than that on my speed (for dvd image) [00:18] yeah wish the cd was out [00:19] it might be before i finish downloading dvd [00:20] 0 seeders for 64bit === scott_ev_ is now known as scott_ev [00:21] jos-l:for the beta iso? [00:22] cernui, yeah [00:23] gn8 [00:23] night [00:30] http://www.kubuntu.org/news/9.04-beta it's out! [00:31] Riddell: what package should i report the missing dontzap ? [00:31] Riddell: the upgrade does not install the package 'dontzap' [00:32] but what sould pull it in? [00:33] s/sould/should [00:33] it's brought in by kdebase-workspace-bin [00:33] if it's not installed that's mysterious, I guess file a bug on update-manager [00:33] thanks, will do [00:34] What's the original content of the kubuntu bottle? [00:35] vintage Irn Bru [00:37] Riddell: nice bottle [00:38] I put a kubuntu sticker (thanks, btw) on my mp3 plaer, someone asked me what brand "kubuntu" was [00:39] Riddell: i put that in the #ubuntu+1 topic, hope you don't mind. [00:40] so I have one less cd to pass out to folks :) [00:40] LjL: super === Riddell changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Beta out! | Feature Freeze, UI Freeze and Beta Freeze in effect - Fix bugs! | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo | Congratulations to rgreening and a|wen - Kubuntu's newest MOTUs!!! [00:44] amd64 dvd the surprise lead torrent so far [00:45] amd64 ftw [00:45] we don't even link to the DVDs [00:45] ah, missed the dvd part [00:58] Riddell: it seems there is a new addition in the 4.2.2 release? oxygen-icons [01:00] will we be able to slip it in universe perhaps? [01:02] it is nice having a mirror 5 miles from your house :) [01:03] dude, how can you ever see yourself? [01:03] har har [01:04] which mirror is in chicago? [01:05] anl.gov [01:07] the server it is running on I helped build during a LUG meeting [01:08] i got a free Sun Fire X4200 out of the deal :) [01:19] whats your download rates from torrent right now? [01:22] I'm more or less 3M full speed (+/- 350 kB/s) [01:22] cernui, weird, mine is slow i usually get high speeds [01:26] Sorry, looked at the wrong file [01:26] The torrent file is not announced in the download page as I see [01:27] I used the right torrent and I'm having also good speed, maybe you have some ports closed [02:01] build kubuntu-docs now, will upload after testing...let the translations begin! [02:01] \o/ [02:10] Hi [02:10] I'm testing 9.04 beta un virtualbox... [02:10] Quassel doesn't connect D: [02:45] A R G H ! ! ! ! [02:46] ? [02:47] /usr/share/kde* what a mess [02:49] I am seeing some crazy strangeness with docs [02:49] I open up the doc in konqueror and khelpcenter by navigating to it using absolute path, works great [02:49] as soon as I use help:/kubuntu/foo it looks nasty [02:50] jaunty+1, our docs will use 100% the same stuff kde docs does...maintaining our own xslt and crap is insane, and it is so old [02:51] * a|wen_ supposes our docs is like mingling kde3 stuff into kde4... [02:53] nah, our docs were originally created as part of the Ubuntu Documentation Project...and lets just say there are just some things not worth sharing [02:55] he [03:02] what package installs koffice2... koffice? it's got some odd dependency issues, and wants to remove a lot of packages [03:13] josh-l: which ubuntu version? [03:15] a|wen_: jaunty === heHATEme is now known as vorian [03:16] josh-l: koffice-kde4 should be the one [03:17] ok thanks a|wen_ [03:23] Sput: just an idea - it would be nice if I could see snotes [03:23] I get a notice from a server, and there is no message in the window [03:23] I do get the message via notification though [03:25] eh still dont like konqueror as a web browser [03:26] josh-l: no problem here ... do you only have the official repos enabled, or does it try to install it from a ppa or something? [03:26] oh awesome... firefox tabs are fixed [03:26] a|wen_: what konqueror? [03:26] Sput: never mind [03:27] Sput: there is a weird thing that happens though, i'll take a screenshot for you [03:27] josh-l: forget about it ... thought it tried to remove konqueror when you installed koffice-kde4 [03:27] oh no [03:28] * a|wen_ just got up, and is still not fully awake [05:39] er....has anyone seen kontact loop on checking mails? it just checked the same account constantly for a few minutes. and auto-check is disabled on that account [07:08] maco: gmail? [07:09] no [07:09] that one was for the server at work [07:09] I have witnessed a similar issue with gmail [07:10] 2am already...jeesh [07:10] 3 here ;) [07:12] another bug bites the dust [07:12] w00t, fixed about 5 bugs tonight...think that is it [07:12] though they won't truly be fixed until someone approves the uploads [07:12] come on archive admins, do your magic [07:19] Riddell: updated scpk patch http://paste.ubuntu.com:80/138771/ === a|wen_ is now known as a|wen [09:59] Shouldn't Warning in Beta/Kubuntu/Feedback also mention the repaint problems with qt4.5 (only?) with intel gfx cards? [09:59] allee: I had repaint problems before qt 4.5 [09:59] allee: but go for it [10:03] allee: are you on intel with repaint problems? [10:05] a|wen: yes, intel on Dell D630, 830 and E6500. Only qt apps affected, well, otherway round firefox does not show the problem ;) [10:06] allee: can i have you test changing to XAA? Add Option "AccelMethod" "XAA" to the Device section in xorg.conf [10:06] same here, i've been unsing UXA recently (no more garbage on the screen). but Xorg freezes quite often (at least twice a day...) [10:08] a|wen: yes, fwiw a screenshot: http://imagebin.ca/view/ygCvAo.html [10:09] neat ... more garbage but smaller areas compared to the issues i had [10:14] freinhard: changing away from EXA fixed all repaint issues for me ... could look like qt4.5 and EXA stepping on each others feet [10:18] a|wen: that's a matter of fact. [10:19] and can they agree who needs fixing? [10:19] i guess intel devs are using gnome and qt devs are using nvidia, so nobody cares ;) [10:22] a|wen: there are sometimes bigger too. I just wanted to show several corrupted apps [10:22] a|wen: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NzE3MQ [10:23] * a|wen uses ati ... nobody cares about that one it seems [10:24] got no problems with my hd4670 except for missing monitor hotplugging [10:26] freinhard: i had serious corruptions with EXA ... and a too big virtual screen size (no problem in intrepid) made x.org cry [10:32] a|wen: using XAA makes xserver crash with chipset GM45 (Dell Latitude E6500) [10:32] allee: oh well, then that is not the solution for you ... you might want to look at UXA as freinhard suggests [10:33] :) [10:36] allee: as long as you don't use effects you might not get a X.org crash. using less effects increased the work-time/reboot ratio ;) [10:37] a|wen: UXA turn screen to solid black. vt 1 - vt 6 are solid black too or xserver lock up system :( Trying harder ... [10:37] * allee presses power button :( [10:38] * a|wen is sorry for allee :( [10:39] allee: use sysrq! [10:40] allee: VT switching does not work for UXA! [10:43] oh wonderful [10:45] works here [10:47] freeflying: did a remote login before starting UXA. But UXA -> black screen even with running xfailsafe [10:49] Riddell: Don't know what to do about it, sorry. You'll have to bug Ng about it,... hopefully I'll be back tonight with better wireless :) [10:49] ryanakca: he fixed it [10:53] a|wen, freeflying: you have bug no for? Suggestion for wiki beta 'Warning' Qt 4.5 shows repaint bugs with some but not all Intel Gfx Chips (Bug # here) [10:53] hello [10:55] Ah, reminds be: kwin turn of composite after resume (with G965 and GM45 intel chipset) But that not worth another 'Warning' IMHO [10:55] what application should have more priority opening a .deb package in Kubuntu 9.04? currently in my desktop kpackagekit has more priority than gdebi-kde [10:56] Riddell: I like the irn-brw Kubuntu bottle :D [11:11] allee: i have no bug ... i'm hit by the ati one instead [11:25] Riddell: ScottK: I am push a fix for bug #349066 atm, but it's a bit ugly: it adds a script to /usr/env/ (a standard dir read by startkde) [11:25] Launchpad bug 349066 in ubuntu-release-notes "Release notes need to tell upgrade users how to add new network-manager widget" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/349066 [11:25] *pushing [11:30] seele: found your pdf for system-config-printer-kde. did you consider a way how to display conflicts in printers options? gnome's system-config-printer shows a icon next to that option causing the conflict with the message in the tooltip and a popup if you click on it. [11:39] freinhard: I never worked out why there would be conflicts [11:41] Riddell: in case you have a printer that supports duplex printing, enable duplex, set 2-sided printing to anything but off, save, disable duplex => conflict [11:42] Riddell: got that on a hp 2200 and without the patch it gives some ugly output on commandline ;) [11:44] mm, right [11:51] Riddell: btw, here's the reminder to rebuild the package after beta ;) [11:52] freinhard: it's top of my list today, unfortunately I've been battling european train websites [12:12] freinhard: i thought 2-sided printing is duplex.. why would there be two options to first enable 2-sided printing and then configure it? [12:12] freinhard: what shall I put as commit message for your patch? [12:16] seele: isn't there a difference. I one not that it prints pages 1 on the front then 2 and repeats for the amount of copies you have then print pages 3 and 4. And the other prints 1234 then 1234 until all copies are done [12:17] Riddell: something like "do not acces not existing gui items" for btnConflict and "fix wrong signal connection for changed checkboxes" [12:18] seele: I think duplex is the latter so you don't need to sort through them in order to clip them together [12:19] seele: yes duplex is 2-sided printing, i guess that's because the printer options are derived 1:1 from the printers PPD file [12:22] davmor2: multiple sides to a side is different from printing on both sides [12:23] freinhard: can we capture some of those redundant options and treat them a certain way instead of just diplaying what is in the ppd file? [12:25] seele: well i'd disable the dropdown as long as the duplex checkbox is not checked. got to dig a bit deeper into the scpk code, no idea how to do that yet ;) [12:26] freinhard: couldnt it be done the other way around too? if 2 sided is set to no, that's the same as disabling the duplex option [12:26] the fact that there are two options which almost do the same is confusing [12:26] reducing it to one would be optimarl [12:29] freinhard: committed and uploaded, thanks [12:32] Riddell: yw! [12:34] freinhard: as you'll have noticed there's plenty other bits with s-c-p-k to be fixed up before release, feel free to have a go at them :) [12:37] Err http://archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/main python2.6 2.6.1-1ubuntu5 [12:37] 403 Forbidden [IP: 91.189.88.46 80] [12:37] wtf? 403? === jtechidna is now known as JontheEchidna [12:37] JontheEchidna: You don't want that one. [12:38] That's to keep more systems from getting broken until they can get a fix uploaded. [12:38] oh, well it sure breaks pbuilder [12:39] More importantly it breaks update-manager. [12:39] If you get the update that is. [12:39] * JontheEchidna nods [12:40] Could I get sponsorship for bug 326648? [12:40] Launchpad bug 326648 in gtk-qt-engine "[Kubuntu 9.04] gtk-qt-engine not working" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/326648 [12:41] JontheEchidna: onto it [12:41] There's also bug 346813, it seems that both gtk2-engines-qtcurve and kde-style-qtcurve are in main now... [12:41] Launchpad bug 346813 in kde-style-qtcurve "New upstream bugfix release (QtCurve 0.62.5)" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/346813 [12:42] * JontheEchidna has used the QtCurves since he posted the packages on the bug for testing [12:44] JontheEchidna: why is kde-style-qtcurve-kdeconfig being removed? [12:44] Oh, that [12:45] Qt can use KDE styles now, and the way we were separating it was a real hack [12:45] KDE styles? there's only ever been Qt styles [12:46] if that's the case, then it probably shouldn't have been split the way it was in the first place [12:49] Oh, another reason was that it would have been nearly impossible to split out the kwin style if we didn't switch to cdbs/away from the hack [12:50] JontheEchidna: so there's no /usr/lib/qt4/plugins/styles/qtcurve.so any more? [12:50] bug 319331 too unless you're already sick of sponsoring my uploads :D [12:50] Launchpad bug 319331 in amarok "[jaunty] amarok 2.0.1.1 always crashes on startup on PPC" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/319331 [12:50] Riddell: Right [12:50] seems like more then a bugfix release this [12:50] uploaded anyhoo [12:51] Thanks [12:55] JontheEchidna: amarok uploaded [12:56] Thanks a lot, that's all that I needed sponsored (that I can remember :P) [12:59] * JontheEchidna will try going for core-dev next cycle [13:04] Riddell: ping [13:04] vorian: if you're quick [13:04] Riddell: my serer is down - i hope you have pulled tarballs :/ [13:05] Riddell: if not, i'll figure something else out [13:05] vorian: can get them from ktown === thunderstruck is now known as gnomefreak [13:05] but the oxygen-icons thing is a mess [13:06] ah... [13:06] Riddell: i can get them, I don't have a place to stash them for everyone else to help with [13:08] vorian: I'm out for an hour, will sort something out when I get back [13:08] Riddell: ok [13:08] Riddell: we already had some stuff started last night :) [13:10] Riddell: just curious, the new oxygen tarball is a mess in what way? [13:16] * vorian has not liked this week very much at all [13:17] ~order tea, earl grey, hot for vorian [13:17] * kubotu is replicating a hot cup of earl grey for captain vorian. [13:22] !order tea, Shogun [13:22] Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [13:22] ~order tea, Shogun [13:22] * kubotu slides tea, shogun down the bar to Sput [13:26] I am supposed to have an icon that tells me there are updates in Jaunty, right? [13:26] Yeah, update-notifier-kde [13:27] Hmmm. 60 updates. No icon. [13:27] python-qt4-dbus could be busted and update-notifier-kde could be crashing [13:27] That's it. [13:28] reinstalling python-qt4-dbus seems to fix it, but that's a workaround [13:39] It's a|wen's Bug #348704 that describes the problem. [13:39] Launchpad bug 348704 in python-qt4 "/var/lib/python-support/python2.6/dbus/mainloop/qt.so missing after upgrade" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/348704 [13:40] Urgh. And doko offline too. === thunderstruck is now known as gnomefreak === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan [13:56] OK. I'm officially confused. [13:56] Riddell: Unless you can figure out ^^^ I think we need to bring it up at the release team meeting today (which I'll be able to attend after all). === sabdfl1 is now known as sabdfl [14:16] OK. ^^^ is on the release team's radar [14:25] Riddell: branch for bug #349066 is here: bazaar.launchpad.net/~agateau/kubuntu-default-settings/add-network-applet [14:25] Launchpad bug 349066 in ubuntu-release-notes "Release notes need to tell upgrade users how to add new network-manager widget" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/349066 [14:25] Riddell: branch for bug #349066 is here: bazaar.launchpad.net/~agateau/kubuntu-default-settings/add-network-applet [14:26] (oups, double post) [14:26] * agateau is sleepy [14:31] agateau: I added a k-d-s task to the bug. [14:32] * agateau needs to figure out what is a task for a bug :) [14:36] :-) [14:37] If you look at the bug now, you'll see it affects both ubuntu-release-notes and Ubuntu's kubuntu-default-settings. [14:37] I'm running jaunty beta and trying to upgrade it (apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade) it say that three python deb's are missing.. is that known already or should I file a bugreport? [14:38] vital: Known. There was a bad Python upload that broke a lot of stuff, so they blocked it until the fix gets out. [14:39] It's been publishes and so should be on a mirror near you soonish. [14:39] publishes/published. [14:39] ScottK, okay, thanks. [14:39] fwiw I'm just getting the fixed update [14:39] your results may vary (tm) [14:39] :) [15:22] nixternal: ping [15:23] ScottK: that python-qt4-dbus upgrade bug is mysterious and important [15:24] Riddell: At the release meeting mvo got tagged to look into it. [15:24] Anyone else get double notifications from the NM widget? [15:26] JontheEchidna: Did you get yours from the US mirror or straight from the source? [15:26] Quintasan: pong [15:27] ScottK: archive.ubuntu.com, which I suppose is the US mirror [15:27] nixternal: I'm sure all kubuntu-docs string have translation suggestions :P [15:27] nixternal: strings* [15:28] I have no idea what that means to be honest :) [15:28] * Quintasan thinks he screwd something [15:33] ScottK: the python-qt4-dbus thing could be due to some pycentral foo ... i suspect you've read the debian-python mail-list about it; and as i understand it there've been some recent bug fixes to pycentral after lenny release [15:33] grrr, whats with [15:35] a|wen: Could be. I'm glad it got punted to someone with more in depth knowledge than me. [15:36] JontheEchidna: No, that's the Canonical data center. === Tonio__ is now known as Tonio_ [15:37] ScottK: yeah ... is very strange, so let's hope they figure it out [15:40] JontheEchidna: Are there any other ways I can access diffs from kde websvn? I wanted to check how many files are changed to make Kopete notifications stack. [15:40] other ways than what way? [15:41] WebSVN is broken right now. I usually get diffs from there :/ [15:41] * JontheEchidna is browsing websvn as we speak [15:41] lol? [15:42] srsly [15:42] * JontheEchidna sees if he can get a diff [15:43] or I could just email you the files [15:43] and you could make your own diff? [15:43] Hmm I guess I can try :) [15:44] JontheEchidna: you have my email address? [15:44] I think you emailed me a patch once, so I should [15:47] Quintasan: these will all go in kdelibs/plasma, with the exception of the _p.h files which go in kdelibs/plasma/private [15:49] Quintasan: did you try the reviewboard? [15:50] Quintasan: should be the easiest way to find out what changed... [15:50] http://reviewboard.kde.org/groups/kopete/ [15:50] it wouldn't be a kopete change, but rather a plasma change [15:51] notifications/kio jobs are now groupable in general [15:55] http://reviewboard.kde.org/r/242/ [15:59] oh, I guess we were thinking about two different features :) [16:00] JontheEchidna: thanks for files [16:00] Quintasan: might not have been what you were looking for [16:00] freinhard: also thanks, this will be helpful :3 [16:00] freinhard's link may be more helpful in the end [16:01] hmm that is what I was talking about :P [16:01] It's too late now to get it included? [16:01] definitely [16:02] we have freezes up the arse now === JontheEchidna changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Beta in less than 24 hours! Please test http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/kubuntu/all | Feature Freeze, UI Freeze and String Freeze in effect - Fix bugs! | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo | Congratulations to rgreening and a|wen - Kubuntu's newest MOTUs!!! [16:03] * a|wen suspects JontheEchidna hit the wrong button [16:03] ? [16:03] oh, maybe konversation-kde4's topic stuff is busted [16:03] wow, that sure messed things up [16:03] beta in less than 24 hours? hmm JontheEchidna share your timemachine with us! ;) [16:04] :) === JontheEchidna changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Beta out! | Feature Freeze, UI Freeze and String Freeze in effect - Fix bugs! | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo | Congratulations to rgreening and a|wen - Kubuntu's newest MOTUs!!! [16:04] That's what I meant [16:05] much better, he === jtisme is now known as jtholmes === jtholmes is now known as jtisme === jtisme is now known as jtholmes === jtholmes is now known as jtisme [16:17] JontheEchidna: If the patch creates a file x.cfg, should I do quilt add x.cfg? [16:18] quilt add, then place the file where it should be [16:18] then it will be picked up in quilt refresh along with everything else [16:18] ok, thanks [16:19] has anybody else noticed, that a crashing app doesn't bring up a crash/backtrace dialog? [16:20] a|wen: it ought to put it's stuff in /var/crash and bring up apport [16:21] it puts the stuff in /var/crash but nothing pops up [16:21] a|wen: Intrepid or Jaunty? [16:21] surprised, installed beta last night, and already 60+ upgrades? [16:22] jaunty [16:22] OK. [16:22] josh-l: That's all the stuff that couldn't be accepted during the beta freeze. [16:22] ohhh [16:22] i've had kontact and gwenview crash until now with no pop-ups so seem consistent [16:22] scott_ev: should i have done a dist-upgrade instead of the simple upgrade i did? [16:23] not necessarily [16:24] I've had good success with both [16:24] Riddell: ScottK JontheEchidna etc... [16:24] how do you all feel about the Beta so far? === jtisme is now known as jtholmes [16:25] scott_ev: I was going to do a dist-upgrade but aptitude showed some issues, so i just quit and did a regular upgrade and it started with out problems... [16:25] I'm having some unfortunate window painting problems I didn't have with 4.2.0 on Intrepid (with Qt4.4) and my wireless is still flaky (so upgrading didn't fix my kernel problems). [16:26] rickspencer3: pretty good [16:26] I'm still on my first boot since the upgrade, so I have hopes the the window painting stuff will pass. I've seen such before. [16:27] It becomes unresponsive after some hours, restarting X helps :3 [16:27] For good news, I had zero upgrade problems. That's important. [16:27] I did file some bugs and the important ones are being addressed. [16:27] It looks like Intel+X is shaping up to be a bit of a problem child for Jaunty, are you guys seeing that in Ubuntu as well? [16:27] * ScottK waves to agateau. [16:27] I mean in Kubuntu :P [16:27] It should be the same. [16:28] intel+X+Qt seems to be a paticular problem [16:28] i865 at least starts now. [16:28] Ah. [16:28] * ScottK did not know that. === jtholmes is now known as jtjr [16:28] ScottK: yeah, but I was wondering what you're hearing from the Kubuntu user community [16:28] * Quintasan is sometimes happy about having an ATi card [16:28] the 8xx chipsets work for some people, not others [16:28] rickspencer3: i've heard lots of complains about intel and repaint problems === jtjr is now known as jtholmes === jtholmes is now known as jtjr [16:29] * ScottK looks around at his 100% Intel (FOSS friendly, right) and despairs a bit. [16:29] ScottK: exactly [16:29] got a i855, shows the same video garbage with EXA as my i915 === jtjr is now known as jtholmes [16:30] I chose a particular Dell machine because I wanted all FOSS drivers, and look what it got me :) [16:30] Yep. [16:30] actually, it's not that bad a of a situation on the newer Intel chips [16:30] https://wiki.kubuntu.org/JauntyJackalope/Beta/Kubuntu/Feedback not much feedback yet [16:30] * JontheEchidna cowers behind his ancient proprietary nvidia [16:30] * ScottK notices he's typing on a Dell laptop... [16:31] other than that (and another X bug related to user switching) Ubuntu seems to be shaping up very nicely for Jaunty [16:31] my card has had repainting problems since 4.0 in konsole, the add widgets dialog, etc, but overal enOK [16:31] rickspencer3: My painting problems are on 945GM/GMS [16:31] wtf, my keyboard is dropping keys under high cpu load [16:31] ScottK: is that the indirect direct rendering problem? [16:31] rickspencer3: someone mentioned that the intel chipsets on Dell D630, 830 and E6500 was hit [16:31] does uxa fix it? [16:31] * ScottK has no idea. [16:32] * ScottK should try it. [16:32] * ScottK just upgraded yesterday [16:32] uxa is nifty, and faster, but if you have a multi-user machine, it doesn't seem to work so well [16:32] switching users seems problematic [16:32] rickspencer3: it does ... for those chipsets where it works [16:33] rickspencer3: i heard that vt switching didn't work at all on UXA === jtholmes is now known as jthII [16:33] yeah, uxa is close, but not quite ready for prime time, afict [16:33] rickspencer3: got a screenshot earlier from one with the problem http://imagebin.ca/view/ygCvAo.html [16:33] however, it's super easy to turn on (one line xorg.conf) === jthII is now known as jtholmes [16:33] so if it work for you, you can do it [16:34] that looks pretty bad === jtholmes is now known as jtisme [16:34] a|wen: does that happen when you move windows around? [16:34] rickspencer3: if you have older ati chipsets there can be problems as well ... switching to XAA in that case might fix it [16:35] why would a dist-upgrade have install issues, right now, but an upgrade be ok? [16:35] rickspencer3: i'm running ati ... but they just appeared; no need to move anything around [16:35] weird [16:35] Because upgrad just upgrades existing packages, but dist-upgrade will install new ones. === jtisme is now known as jtholmes [16:36] ScottK: do I need to do the dist-upgrade on the beta right now? or is the upgrade enough? === jtholmes is now known as jtisme [16:36] If you upgrade and it says no packages are held back, you're fine. [16:37] rickspencer3: very weird ... you can have ~20-25% of the screen like that on some occasions; is close to unusable === jtisme is now known as jtholmes [16:37] ScottK: said one package not to be upgraded... should I run the dist-upgrade when upgrade finishes? [16:37] Yes. [16:37] ok thanks ScottK [16:38] a|wen: is there a bug # for that? [16:38] did anyone else get a strange looking boot splash screen after installing beta? [16:39] rickspencer3: started looking for a bug-number for the ati one, but forgot about it again ... i'll see if i can find something [16:40] rickspencer3: the ati one is bug 338669 [16:41] Launchpad bug 338669 in xserver-xorg-video-ati "painting artifacts after qt4.5 upgrade" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/338669 [16:41] I still got the same shutdown issues I had before (running on a dell lalptop) shutdown just stops at "*system will now halt" screen, though reboot now works === jtholmes is now known as jtisme [16:42] a|wen: I asked bryce to take a look [16:42] if you have any more info, feel free to attach it to the bug [16:43] rickspencer3: thanks ... sadly not; only know that changing from EXA to XAA fixes everything for me as well [16:44] brb rebooting === jtisme is now known as jtholmes === jtholmes is now known as jth2 === jth2 is now known as jtisme [16:45] rickspencer3: Good call. The after 30 seconds review is uxa seems MUCH crisper here and no repaint issues. [16:46] ScottK: great === jtisme is now known as jtholmes [16:46] however, in Ubuntu anyway, there are some stability issues, especially wrt user switching [16:48] so we can't turn on uxa by default until Karmic :( [16:48] are you guys getting lots of bug reports, in general? [16:48] ScottK: testing uxa? [16:48] smarter: Yes. [16:48] any problem with desktop effects/firefox scrolling/anything? :) [16:48] Not so far. [16:49] 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:27a2] (rev 03) [16:49] http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/?rev=3&view=rev | svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk -r 3 | Source imported [16:49] ;-) [16:51] rickspencer3: Assuming this proves to be stable, uxa resolves my X related grumbles about Jaunty. [16:52] UXA working perfectly for me [16:53] ScottK: what kind of problems did you have with exa/jaunty? [16:53] Slow, window redraws missing, just all sorts of pain except not at all crashy. [16:54] * ScottK wonders if we can add an 'enable uxa' GUI like we did for dontzap? [16:55] bad idea imho [16:55] if $user isn't experienced enough to find out how to enable it, he'd better not try it [16:55] Probably. [16:55] would be interesting if you tested some 3D games [16:56] I'm just really impressed how much faster it is. [16:56] * ScottK has no 3D games. [16:56] apt-get them :) [16:56] * ScottK was actually supposed to do some $WORK today. [16:57] oh, that might conflict then :p [16:58] BTW, I didn't get dontzap installed on upgrade. I thought that was supposed to come with kubuntu-desktop? [16:59] ScottK: I thought Alberto added it as a checkbox in some control panel somewhere in Kubuntu? [16:59] so you don't need don't zap, as it's a Kubuntu setting [16:59] rickspencer3: iirc, the systemsettings checkbox uses dontzap internally [17:00] yes. [17:00] ScottK: kdebase-workspace-bin recommends dontzap [17:00] that's all [17:00] there's a bug filed on update-manager for that I believe [17:00]