[00:09] <inanimate> Is digiKam available for Kubuntu yet?
[00:10] <williwer> yes
[00:10] <inanimate> (A version that doesn't uninstall libplasma-addons, ideally.)
[00:15] <inanimate> I haven't been able to find it... The last I saw was an old post talking about digikam-kde4, but that's long gone. Is there a digiKam 0.10.0 package that doesn't uninstall Plasma widgets?
[00:16] <inanimate> And is there even a 0.94 that doesn't uninstall Plasma widgets?
[00:20] <idespinner> well, im stumped... anyone know where exactly my Xorg configuration is located? /etc/X11/xorg.conf only has 5 lines of generics
[00:20] <idespinner> kubuntu 9.04 btw
[00:21] <berniv6> idespinner: that is your xorg configuration ... never xorgs autodetect almost everything
[00:22] <idespinner> what about in the event I suspect it has misconfigured/autodetected wrong?
[00:22] <berniv6> then you can of course configure the appropriate device manually in this configuration file
[00:23] <berniv6> not sure whether you can generate a full xorg.conf from the autodetected settings to alter though
[00:23] <idespinner> or atleast see what it is autodetecting...
[00:23] <gimox> kubuntu beta released :)
[00:23] <gimox> 9.04
[00:23] <idespinner> a new 9.04?
[00:23] <idespinner> or same one...
[00:24] <gimox> http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/kubuntu/9.04/
[00:24] <gimox> it has been released one hour ago, i think it's new :)
[00:24] <berniv6> 9.04 isn't released/supported yet, it's still in development
[00:24] <gimox> i use 9.04 since alpha 3
[00:24] <idespinner> i know i downloaded this 9.04 monday...
[00:24] <gimox> and i think it's fully stable since alpha 5
[00:25] <berniv6> I have ugly performance regressions with the opensource ati driver
[00:25] <gimox> official release have almost nothing new from beta
[00:25] <gimox> just documentations
[00:25] <berniv6> works fine in the beginning but gets slower and slower with a few hours of work
[00:26] <gimox> heh, i haven't noticed it... anyway if that's true
[00:26] <gimox> surely it won't be fixed now
[00:26] <gimox> every software upgrade has been freezed
[00:26] <berniv6> now I'm on gnome (which hasn't happened to me since 6.something), which seems to work fine, so it's some sort of KDE issue
[00:27] <gimox> dunno... surely gnome is lighter than kde
[00:27] <gimox> try again on first april
[00:27] <berniv6> it's fast in the beginning, but gets slower
[00:27] <gimox> on that day will be released kde 4.2.2
[00:27] <berniv6> just by doing massive work in konsole
[00:28] <berniv6> I suspect it's a weird *-leak somewhere, but memory consumption looks okay and restarting konsole doesn't help
[00:28] <gimox> don't know what to say... i usually keep this PC with kubuntu jaunty on working for days
[00:28] <m_tadeu> which kde version will be released on 9.04?
[00:29] <berniv6> gimox: do you use Composite?
[00:29] <gimox> 4.2.2
[00:29] <gimox> no i've disabled kwin
[00:29] <gimox> oh sry!
[00:29] <gimox> i'm a bit tired...
[00:29] <gimox> no i don't use it
[00:30] <berniv6> okay, me neither
[00:31] <gimox> maybe kde 4.2.2  will solve that problem
[00:35] <Riddell> ** 9.04 beta ready for testing http://www.kubuntu.org/news/9.04-beta
[00:37] <dtm_> hi everyone.
[00:37] <Ev0luti0n_> hey
[00:38] <dtm_> i was wondering if any of you knew which cd writer is the best vut ubuntu
[00:38] <dtm_> minefails constantly
[00:40] <gimox> k3b?
[00:52] <babylonsfury> hey guys, i'm having video card problems
[00:53] <babylonsfury> my video card, boots up to a white screen
[00:53] <babylonsfury> so i switched to my onboard, which is barely working
[00:53] <babylonsfury> they're ati cards
[00:53] <babylonsfury> how do I go about updating the ati drivers? this is very new to me
[00:55] <mefisto__> !ati
[00:56] <babylonsfury> thank you
[00:56] <mefisto__> babylonsfury: this might help too: http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Intrepid_Installation_Guide
[00:56] <babylonsfury> thanks guys, I'll give those a try
[01:01] <demon> !elive
[01:07] <dr_willis> i didend care much for elive last i used it
[01:07] <dr_willis> :)
[01:17] <kalidar> hey guys i was just wondering how i install this file .run
[01:17] <kalidar> its a game called enmy terratory
[01:19] <JamesCCC> In firefox the tabs are not pretty. I read it is a theme problem, a QT problem, and a Nivida problem. Anyone know which it is?
[01:21] <JamesCCC> I'm on kde 4
[01:22] <kalidar> anyone help me? how would i install a .run file its a game called enemy terratory
[01:23] <Dragnslcr> kalidar- not sure if you can run it from Dolphin. You might need to open up Konsole and run it from there
[01:24] <kalidar> thats what im goin to try next XD
[01:24] <kalidar> ./file.run
[01:24] <dr_willis> Theres guides/wiki pages on getting that game going under ubuntu
[01:24] <dr_willis> it has sound issues since its so old.
[01:25] <dr_willis> sh whatever.run       is another way
[01:26] <kalidar> permission denized
[01:26] <tanjir> sudo ./file.run
[01:26] <kalidar> its realy old?
[01:26] <dr_willis> it pays to be clear and concse. and give the full command
[01:26] <kalidar> and has sound isues?
[01:26] <dr_willis> DONT use sudo
[01:26] <dr_willis> install the game on a per-user basis
[01:27] <kalidar> i tryed sudo lol yeah it dident work
[01:27] <kalidar> what you mean per-user basis/
[01:27] <dr_willis> and it has to be 'executable' or use the   'sh ./whatever.run' method
[01:27] <dr_willis> run it as a user
[01:27] <dr_willis> NOT as root..  dont install it system wide. :)
[01:27] <kalidar> ok im realy confused
[01:27] <kalidar> tell me what to do and ill understand
[01:27] <dr_willis> RUN the command to install it as a user
[01:27] <dr_willis> sh ./whatevertheghingis.run
[01:28] <dr_willis> check the forums and wiki pages for info on that game. Its so old - it can have issues
[01:29] <kalidar> if its so old why is it in the top 10 linux games
[01:29] <kalidar> hmm you got any other good fps i can play?
[01:29] <kalidar> that arnt old?
[01:29] <Dragnslcr> Pretty sure there's a Q3 client for Linux
[01:29] <Dragnslcr> And a few games that use the Q3 engine
[01:29] <kalidar> quake :(
[01:30] <kalidar> yeah ide rather a different game
[01:30] <kalidar> if it uses the engine thats col
[01:30] <kalidar> but i refuse to play doom quake or unreal tourni lol
[01:30] <kalidar> those games are weak
[01:30] <BluesKaj> !topic
[01:31] <BluesKaj> !offtopic
[01:31] <dr_willis> why does it beiong old mean it cant be in the top 10?
[01:31] <dr_willis> its an old game.. its in the top 10 because its a good game
[01:31] <kalidar> cuz old means imcompatable and buggy
[01:31] <BluesKaj> !games
[01:31] <kalidar> allrite well if it has sound isues il just delete it
[01:31] <dr_willis> kalidar:  totally incorrect. but do what you want. the game has several guides out on how to play/install it in ubuntu
[01:31] <dr_willis> It CAN have sound issues.. or not
[01:32] <dr_willis> so do what you want.
[01:32] <kalidar> ok but you said it had isues lol
[01:32] <kalidar> oh sry i mis understod
[01:32] <dr_willis> those issues are fixable.. via the WIKI/DOCS/GUides we keep hinting at
[01:32] <kalidar> sh ./file.run? correct
[01:32] <dr_willis> Try it and see>
[01:34] <kalidar> ok cool :)
[01:34] <kalidar> once its installed how i find it
[01:35] <dr_willis> look where you told it to install to...
[01:35] <kalidar> this is my last request today
[01:35] <kalidar> it dident ask me where it wanted me to install too
[01:35] <kalidar> it just asked me for super user password
[01:35] <kalidar> and did its own thing
[01:35] <dr_willis> You installed it as root then.. so its system wide.. which isent how i normall y install it.
[01:36] <dr_willis> so it isntalled somewhere.. no idea.  proberly /usr/local/XXXXXXXX
[01:36] <kalidar> well you said just type sh ./file.run
[01:36] <kalidar> thats what i did
[01:36] <dr_willis> if you dont enter root password - it dosent install systemwide
[01:36] <kalidar> how do i instal it localy?
[01:36] <kalidar> aww ok
[01:36] <ner> ?
[01:36] <kalidar> is that all?
[01:36] <kalidar> ok thanks alot :)
[01:36] <dr_willis> i belive the command to run it was 'et' but  i forget
[01:37] <ner> bye
[01:37] <kalidar> et? instead of sh?
[01:37] <dr_willis> et is the COMMANSD to run it..   i think
[01:37] <kalidar> ill try
[01:38] <dr_willis> as in 'ls' 'cd'  and so forth
[01:38] <dr_willis> sh Whateverscript..    sh is the command to run the script
[01:39] <kalidar> umm im confused
[01:40] <kalidar> the command to run a .run is sh ./file.run
[01:40] <dr_willis> normally
[01:41] <kalidar> but the command to install localy is as?
[01:41] <dr_willis> unoess its been made executable
[01:41]  * frogonwheels is enjoying kde4.2
[01:41] <dr_willis> same command
[01:41] <dr_willis> the command RUNS the installer...
[01:41] <kalidar> as is the same as sh?
[01:41] <dr_willis> sh has nothing to do with the locally/system wide stuff
[01:41] <dr_willis> its how you can run a .run script
[01:41] <kalidar> aww ok well how come i chouldent chose were i wanted to install it
[01:41] <frogonwheels> anybody know if the new kcmrandr / kephal stuff is coming?
[01:41] <dr_willis> because its a silly installer i imagine
[01:42] <kalidar> ok so one more question?
[01:42]  * frogonwheels is sick of having to manually run his randr script.
[01:42] <kalidar> how do i remove something ive installed
[01:42] <dr_willis> kalidar:  depends on how you installed it.
[01:42] <kalidar> wow linux is realy hard and confuseing
[01:42] <kalidar> ok well acording to this current installation
[01:42] <cx00102> it sure is
[01:42] <kalidar> how would i remove it
[01:42] <dr_willis> kalidar:  no its not.. you are just not thinking  ahead.
[01:43] <dr_willis> kalidar:  well logically the installer 'should' have an uninstall option
[01:43] <frogonwheels> kalidar: you just uninstall it with the installer you installed it with.
[01:43] <dr_willis> Or if you installed it someplace you knew.. you could just delete teh directories
[01:43] <kalidar> and the command to do that is?
[01:43] <cx00102> as in ./file.run --uninstall
[01:43] <dr_willis> same command as you used befor perhaps?
[01:43] <kalidar> ok ill try that
[01:44] <dr_willis> the 'best' way to install things in ubuntu is to use the normal package manager..
[01:44] <dr_willis> theres plenty of games in there.
[01:44] <Dragnslcr> kalidar- to be fair, this isn't the normal way of installing programs
[01:44] <JamesCCC> The safest way to uninstall something is to throw away your computer.
[01:44] <kalidar> problem...
[01:44] <Dragnslcr> Most programs can be installed through Adept
[01:45] <kalidar> nothing happend when i typed sh ./file.run --uninstall
[01:45] <kalidar> i got a help menu
[01:45] <dr_willis> read the menu? truy it withiout the uninstall option
[01:45] <JamesCCC> open up the .run file and see what is going on
[01:45] <cx00102> what is the name of this file
[01:46] <kalidar> et-linux-2.55.x86.run
[01:46] <cx00102> oh
[01:46] <cx00102> wolfenstein
[01:46] <cx00102> sweet game
[01:46] <kalidar> wow that was fast!
[01:46] <kalidar> lol
[01:46] <cx00102> I play it quite a bit :)
[01:46] <kalidar> you knew what it was by its filename eh
[01:46] <kalidar> rite on
[01:46] <kalidar> im just curious how to uninstall a .run file
[01:46] <kalidar> so i know for the feture
[01:47] <kalidar> then im gona reinstal it localy and play it
[01:47] <cx00102> well a .run file is just a script
[01:47] <dr_willis> the Installer MUST have an uninstall feature.. or you delete the files manually.
[01:47] <Dragnslcr> Depends on the program
[01:47] <kalidar> aww ok
[01:47] <kalidar> that explains alot
[01:47] <kalidar> so basily its a crappy script
[01:47] <kalidar> that dosent allow local installs
[01:47] <kalidar> and or dosent allow uninstals?
[01:47] <cx00102> how do you mean?
[01:48] <dr_willis> it does allow local.. and i imagine it can uninstall
[01:48] <dr_willis> did you try just rerunning it and see  if it had a uninstall option?
[01:48] <kalidar> hmmm
[01:49]  * dr_willis takes that as a no. :)
[01:50] <kalidar> nope no uninstall
[01:50] <kalidar> and when i dont type the super user password i get a error
[01:50] <kalidar> so noway to instal localy?
[01:50] <JamesCCC> search the .run file for 'uninstall'
[01:51] <kalidar> wow so much hastle
[01:51] <kalidar> forget it it can just sit somewhere randomly in my lib i got a big harddrive
[01:51] <kalidar> :)
[01:51] <JamesCCC> Take what people have told you, remember it, and just move on. Next time, use what they told you, and build off of that.
[01:51] <kalidar> indeed
[01:51] <kalidar> i shall
[01:52] <kalidar> oh sry how do i find it i wana try playing it
[01:52] <JamesCCC> just leave it installed for now, you'll figure it out one day.
[01:52] <kalidar> is their a search command?
[01:52] <cx00102> updatedb; locate et
[01:52] <cx00102> or just type et and press enter
[01:53] <kalidar> omg
[01:53] <kalidar> thats alot of informetion
[01:53] <JamesCCC> I just updated from kde 4.1.2 to 4.2, and at the end it is asking me to keep the old .../kdmrc  or use the new one .../dkmrc.dpkg-new.  Do i have to take the new one for proper functionality?
[01:53] <kalidar> how am i suposed to find anything in that lmfao
[01:54] <dr_willis> or et<tab> and seee what looks promising
[01:54] <cx00102> ^a better idea^
[01:54] <dr_willis> i think its 'etrun' and i Imagine the !games wiki page has info on what teh actual command is
[01:54] <dr_willis> apply yoru self, learn, think, move on.. or give up.. i guess.
[01:54] <kalidar> sigh...
[01:55] <cx00102> of all the linux games I know, et is the most difficult to get up
[01:55] <kalidar> im gona go watch a movie or something ill mess with this later i dont have the patiants rite now
[01:55] <dr_willis> You decided to install a game not in the repos.. there for - its your respionsablity to do the research on the game
[01:55] <kalidar> thanks for yr help guys
[01:55] <cx00102> np
[01:55] <kalidar> cx
[01:55] <kalidar> you have the game installed
[01:55] <cx00102> yeah
[01:55] <kalidar> were did it install to when you did it
[01:56] <dr_willis> that installer installed it system wide.. othereise it wopuld be in  his Home directory under 'et' i think
[01:56] <cx00102> the bin file is in /usr/local/bin
[01:56] <cx00102> which is the one that matters
[01:56] <dr_willis> i recall mentioning that it proberly went to /usr/local earlier :)
[01:56] <kalidar> ok so do i run the bin file?
[01:56] <dr_willis> go to /usr/local and look at wehats there.
[01:56] <dr_willis> see what it installed
[01:57] <kalidar> kk thanks XD
[01:58] <kalidar> its not their :(
[01:58] <kalidar> /usr/local nothing so i checked bin and its not their ither
[01:59] <dr_willis> guess its time to go to the Games wiki pages and read up on it. I dont rember.. and i gotta go to work.
[01:59] <dr_willis> !games
[01:59] <cx00102> try this
[01:59] <cx00102> env | grep PATH
[01:59] <cx00102> it is in one of those directories
[02:00] <babylonsfury> well that was unsuccessful
[02:00] <babylonsfury> no more black screen booting from 4870, ati driver install says it was successful
[02:00] <babylonsfury> checked config files, says I'm using the ati driver for fglrx
[02:00] <dr_willis> you could jkust rerun the installer and install it to the users home dir.. and see what files it puts where..
[02:00] <babylonsfury> but now I get a black screen littered with white bars and multi-colored dots
[02:00] <kalidar> QT_PLUGIN_PATH=/home/kalidar/.kde/lib/kde4/plugins/:/usr/lib/kde4/plugins/
[02:00] <kalidar> kalidar@Lxt9-i386:/usr/local/sbin$
[02:00] <dr_willis> Im pretty sure the command was etrun or etrun.sh
[02:01] <kalidar> how do i choose were it installs
[02:01] <babylonsfury> and now the onboard also won't boot, at all
[02:01] <dr_willis> if you DONT enter the root password it will go to the users home..
[02:01] <babylonsfury> black screen
[02:01] <kalidar> no it dosent
[02:01] <dr_willis> thats the only place it can install :) if its not got root permissions
[02:01] <kalidar> it gives me error if i dont type password
[02:01] <kalidar> says something about lib files
[02:02] <kalidar> trust me ive installed it trying that alllredy :P
[02:02] <dr_willis> no idea then. id have to go check the !games wiki pages...
[02:02] <kalidar> its ok
[02:02] <dr_willis> ive installed it locally befor. but its been ages
[02:02] <kalidar> ill figure it out
[02:03] <babylonsfury> so how do I get my system to boot now?
[02:06] <kalidar> su: Authentication failure
[02:06] <kalidar> /home/kalidar/.setup27239: error while loading shared libraries: libgtk-1.2.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[02:06] <kalidar> The setup program
[02:06] <kalidar> i get that error when trying to sh ./file.run
[02:07] <frogonwheels> babylonsfury:   try into 'failsafe' mode (from bootloader)
[02:07] <kalidar> are you kiddding me?
[02:08] <kalidar> bleh im done with linux lol ive been using it for 5 weeks now and its nothing but erors problems or lack of dependencys
[02:08] <kalidar> for even the simplest of programs
[02:08] <frogonwheels> babylonsfury: otherwise CTRL+ALT+F1 login, and move /etc/X11/xorg.conf   away (sudo mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.orig
[02:08] <kalidar> thanks for al yr help guys
[02:08] <kalidar> but im done pz ;)
[02:08] <babylonsfury> ok, is that the same as recovery?
[02:09] <frogonwheels> babylonsfury:  I'm not sure where failsafe leaves you.. or how useful it is.
[02:09] <frogonwheels> babylonsfury: anyway .. then  sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart
[02:09] <babylonsfury> ok
[02:10] <mefisto__> babylonsfury: can you pastebin your xorg.conf ? or have you done so already?
[02:10] <frogonwheels> babylonsfury: that should leave you with some kind of Xorg working - but probably low res.
[02:10] <frogonwheels> babylonsfury:  have you tried the xorg ati drivers?
[02:10] <frogonwheels> mefisto__:  possibly useful once he can actually get into an X session.
[02:10] <dtm_> anyopne care lend me a hand finding an ftp program thats nice with ubuntu?
[02:11]  * frogonwheels is a big fan of ncftp.
[02:11] <dtm_> oh yeh
[02:11] <mefisto__> frogonwheels: I thought X was starting but display was corrupted
[02:11] <frogonwheels> dtm_: cli though :)
[02:11] <dtm_> thaks
[02:11] <dtm_> cli?
[02:11] <frogonwheels> dtm_:  command-line-interface.
[02:11] <babylonsfury> I did install the xorg ati drivers
[02:12] <babylonsfury> and the xorg ati drivers won't let me in now
[02:12] <babylonsfury> can't pastebin xorg.conf as its not on the same computer :(
[02:12] <babylonsfury> this is my laptop
[02:12] <frogonwheels> babylonsfury: you should be able to ssh in
[02:13] <mefisto__> babylonsfury: if you boot in recovery mode, you can install pastebinit and do it from commandline
[02:13] <babylonsfury> I moved the xorg.conf, and tried to restart x and nothing
[02:13] <babylonsfury> how do I do that? not real sure on installing stuff from the command line
[02:13] <babylonsfury> just an apt-get install pastebinit?
[02:13] <mefisto__> babylonsfury: right
[02:14] <mefisto__> babylonsfury: with sudo in front of that
[02:14] <babylonsfury> yep, ok restarting it and trying that
[02:14] <babylonsfury> should I move the xorg.conf file back then?
[02:14] <frogonwheels> babylonsfury: is there a xorg.conf.failsafe ?
[02:14] <babylonsfury> how do I tell?
[02:14] <mefisto__> babylonsfury: you could, or just pastebin the file you've moved it to
[02:15] <frogonwheels> babylonsfury: you could    sudo cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf.failsafe /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[02:15] <babylonsfury> ok pastebinit installing
[02:16] <mefisto__> babylonsfury: actually in recovery mode you don't need sudo to install pastebinit, since you'll be running as root
[02:16] <babylonsfury> installed
[02:16] <babylonsfury> now how do I pastebin my xorg.conf?
[02:18] <babylonsfury> think I got it
[02:18] <babylonsfury> yep
[02:18] <mefisto__> babylonsfury: pastebinit /etc/X11/xorg.conf (or whatever file it has been moved to)
[02:18] <babylonsfury> http://pastebin.com/f7980578c
[02:19] <babylonsfury> slowly catching on here :)
[02:19] <babylonsfury> only my 2nd day in linux though, ever, lol, and video hasn't worked yet :)
[02:19] <kde4plz> lol
[02:20] <kde4plz> well how else you gonna learn the commands ;0
[02:20] <kde4plz> not with the gui ;0
[02:20] <babylonsfury> :P
[02:21] <babylonsfury> hey....done windows c++ for 10 years, figured it was time for something new
[02:21] <kde4plz> ;0
[02:21] <frogonwheels> babylonsfury:  ok you are using fglrx - which is the proprietary drivers.
[02:21] <kde4plz> at least your using *ubuntu... were friendly folks :0
[02:21] <babylonsfury> :)
[02:22] <babylonsfury> frogonwheels: so I need to change that? and shouldn't I be using propietary eventually?
[02:22] <frogonwheels> I use the  'ati' driver on mine - works fine
[02:22] <kde4plz> me too ;0
[02:23] <pedahzur> I've set up printers in Ubuntu before, but this time around I had to resort to using Cups to set it up (it was an SMB printer). Test pages work fine, and my user (not root!) can print to the printer, but *no* cups printers are listed in the drop down (i.e. Kate's print dialog) for another user. I've never seen this. Can someone point me in the direction of what I need to check? I assume it's permissions, but what and where?
[02:23] <frogonwheels> (that's the xorg - open source one - rather than ati's )
[02:23] <babylonsfury> sweet, ok, let's try that then, :)
[02:23] <mefisto__> babylonsfury: you were probably using the "ati" open source driver before installing fglrx
[02:24] <babylonsfury> oh, the one that black screened me that the other guy told me to download the one's off of ati site?
[02:25] <mefisto__> oh you got fglrx from the ati site?
[02:25] <beatzz> sup fellow Kubuntuieans
[02:25] <kde4plz> hi
[02:26] <mefisto__> babylonsfury: to go back to the open source ati driver, you'll have to remove the one from the ati site. there should be instructions on how to remove it
[02:27] <babylonsfury> yeah working on that
[02:28] <mefisto__> babylonsfury: you can also try the fglrx driver from ubuntu repos. that's what I'm using. I can't get 3d acceleration from the open source driver with my card
[02:28] <kde4plz> !ati
[02:29] <mefisto__> babylonsfury: but the open source one is definitely the best choice if it works for you
[02:29] <babylonsfury> how do you list the stuff in a directory?
[02:29] <mefisto__> ls
[02:29] <babylonsfury> ah, there we go
[02:29] <mefisto__> the dos dir one works too I think
[02:29] <olskolirc> anyone know of a good cd restore program so i can access my old backups?
[02:29] <m_tadeu__> I have no sound on flash videos under firefox....does anyone know how to solve this?
[02:30] <babylonsfury> dir says unknown command :)
[02:30] <kde4plz> did you download the flash from the repo?
[02:30] <babylonsfury> tried that already
[02:31] <kde4plz> tried ls?
[02:31] <babylonsfury> ls worked great thanks :)
[02:31] <mefisto__> babylonsfury: dir works on mine, but I'm running 8.04 hardy atm
[02:31] <m_tadeu__> kde4plz: yep...flash non-free
[02:31] <kde4plz> oh
[02:31] <kde4plz> I think that's the one im using ;0
[02:32] <mefisto__> m_tadeu__: 64bit or 32bit?
[02:32] <kde4plz> iono I had that problem a while back... no sound.. it's a frequent problem... I forgot how to solve it..
[02:32] <m_tadeu__> did you try to go to youtube?
[02:32] <m_tadeu__> mefisto__: 32bit
[02:32] <mefisto__> m_tadeu__: which browser?
[02:33] <kde4plz> firefox I think
[02:33] <m_tadeu__> mefisto__: firefox....doesn't run on konqueror
[02:33] <mefisto__> m_tadeu__: do you have more than one soundcard?
[02:34] <m_tadeu__> mefisto__: nop
[02:34] <mefisto__> hmm
[02:34] <m_tadeu__> only an AC97
[02:34] <babylonsfury> installing the xorg drivers this may take a few it looks like, let you know how it goes in a min
[02:35] <mefisto__> m_tadeu__: is the flash plugin listed in about:plugins in firefox? do you have another flash plugin installed perhaps?
[02:35] <m_tadeu__> anyway, I have sound everywhere else, if it make a difference
[02:36] <m_tadeu__> mefisto__: application/x-shockwave-flash
[02:36] <kde4plz> so no sound in youtube only?
[02:36] <kde4plz> or brower..
[02:37] <kde4plz> browser*
[02:37] <darlison> opa
[02:37] <m_tadeu__> well...actually don't know where to check for other videos....every site I know gets videos from youtube
[02:37] <mefisto__> m_tadeu__: is it the adobe one? libflashplayer.so ?
[02:38] <m_tadeu__> mefisto__: it is
[02:39] <kde4plz> how about...
[02:39] <kde4plz> pandora.com
[02:39] <kde4plz> you get sound from that?
[02:41] <m_tadeu__> no sound either
[02:41] <kde4plz> ok it must be the flash player...
[02:41] <kde4plz> cus you get sound outside the browser?
[02:44] <m_tadeu__> yes...I'm listening to amarok right now
[02:44] <kde4plz> or you could watch videos with captions :0
[02:44] <mefisto__> !flash
[02:44] <kde4plz> I love reading and missing out on facial expressions ;0
[02:44] <mefisto__> m_tadeu__: there's some sound troubleshooting at that link you could try
[02:44] <frogonwheels> m_tadeu__:  the core issue is that the flash player is not a kde app, and therefor accesses the sound directly - which gives device conflicts.
[02:44] <frogonwheels> m_tadeu__:  it's a problem that linux distros in general are gradually overcomming.
[02:51] <m_tadeu__> they're talking about a firefoxrc file which doesn't exist anymore in firefox3, I guess
[02:51] <m_tadeu__> how can I change the sound in firefox3 to oss?
[02:52] <mefisto__> m_tadeu__: the troubleshooting section at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash tells you how to do that
[02:53] <m_tadeu__> as I said...../etc/firefox/firefoxrc doesn't exist
[03:00] <m_tadeu__> who's gnash, btw?
[03:01] <m_tadeu__> *how's
[03:02] <mefisto__> is gnash installed?
[03:02] <m_tadeu__> nop....is it working well?
[03:03] <kalidar> sorry about earlier guys got frustrated :(
[03:03] <kalidar> could i get alittle assistance?
[03:03] <kalidar> !imagebin
[03:04] <mefisto__> m_tadeu__: I don't think youtube and many other flash pages would work properly with gnash
[03:04] <mefisto__> m_tadeu__: do you have libflashsupport installed?
[03:05] <kalidar> http://imagebin.org/43243
[03:05] <kalidar> if someone could explain that real quick ide be greatfull i tryed googling it
[03:05] <kalidar> and i checked the wolfstine faq lists
[03:05] <m_tadeu__> it was replaced by flashplugin-nonfree-extrasound, I guess...so says apt
[03:05] <kalidar> and got nothing usefull :( i also installed the gtk files they asked me
[03:06] <kalidar> and the lib ones too
[03:06] <kalidar> for some reason it still dosent detect or w/e
[03:11] <jrdnyquist_> the restricted drivers gui in jaunty beta is broken for me, it comes up and shows no drivers to enable. I have an nVidia Corporation G72M [Quadro NVS 110M/GeForce Go 7300]. Anyone else seeing the issue?
[03:12] <kalidar> http://imagebin.org/43243 <--------help me?
[03:12] <kalidar> alredy preinstalled gtk 2.0 and libgtk files but stil dosent detect
[03:13] <m_tadeu__> sorry guys....I should be asking this at #ubuntu+1
[03:14] <babylonsfury> what is a command line editor command? gedit don't work when kde isn't loaded
[03:15] <luis_> ula
[03:15] <luis_> hola
[03:15] <luis_> kien estas ahy\
[03:15] <khindenburg> babylonsfury: vi
[03:15] <babylonsfury> thank you
[03:16] <khindenburg> babylonsfury: not sure what is auto installed... emacs, vi, ed
[03:16] <mefisto__> babylonsfury: you might find nano easier to use if you've never used vi
[03:17] <khindenburg> mefisto__: yea I agree
[03:18] <mefisto__> "editor" should start the default editor, which is normally nano
[03:20] <babylonsfury> never used vi, but I figured it out quick enough :)
[03:20] <babylonsfury> if I had had to change more than one line, I woulda pulled my darn hair out though
[03:25] <SandGorgon> how does one generate a list of all the packages installed through apt ? I want it, so I know what to install in Jaunty...
[03:30] <tekteen> SandGorgon: dpkg -l | awk -F " " '{print $2}'
[03:31] <tekteen> SandGorgon: dpkg -l | awk -F " " '{print $2}' > package_list.txt
[03:32] <mefisto__> dpkg --get-selections > ~/my-packages
[03:33] <mefisto__> and to install those: sudo dpkg --set-selections < my-packages && sudo apt-get dselect-upgrade
[03:37] <SandGorgon> tekteen: hey thanks...
[03:37] <tekteen> SandGorgon: try mefisto__'s way
[03:39] <SandGorgon> thanks mefisto__
[03:40] <mefisto__> SandGorgon: both ways will give you a list, but what I posted will create a slightly different file (it has "install" etc next to each package) that makes it easy to install them with that second command
[03:43] <khindenburg> strange, konversation's Edit menu doesn't have copy/paste... annoying
[03:43] <babylonsfury> well, I'm not locking up anymore....no more graphics glitches or black screens
[03:43] <babylonsfury> it looks like its going to....then it kicks me straight to console
[03:44] <babylonsfury> suppose its better than locking up
[03:46] <babylonsfury> ok
[03:46] <babylonsfury> found the problem in Xorg.0.loh
[03:46] <babylonsfury> says detected X.org 7.1.0.0 required X.org 7.4.-$
[03:46] <babylonsfury> and then the graphics driver unloads itself, how do i fix that???
[03:51] <SandGorgon> guys.. which fortune applet to use in KDE 4.x - e.g. Kuote (or Gnome's Wanda the fish)
[04:06] <boboso> is there a way to move more than 1 file at a time if they dont start with the same letter? like a way to string them together?
[04:08] <khindenburg> boboso: what do you mean?  from the command-line?
[04:10] <babylonsfury> gah
[04:10] <babylonsfury> finally got graphics to boot....and I lost my usb mouse and keyboard
[04:10] <babylonsfury> if I boot to a console, i can use the keyboard
[04:10] <babylonsfury> the second kde starts....keyboard gone
[04:10] <babylonsfury> any ideas?
[04:10] <khindenburg> babylonsfury: have you tried a liveCD?
[04:11] <boboso> khindenburg: yes from the command-line
[04:11] <babylonsfury> hehe, well, graphics won't load on a livecd
[04:11] <babylonsfury> I get a blackscreen, just spent the last 4 hours getting my graphics to load on a fully installed version
[04:11] <khindenburg> boboso: you can use 'mv file1 andthisfile alsothisone /folder/'
[04:12] <khindenburg> boboso: where /folder/ is anything... /tmp or ~/folder
[04:13] <boboso> k ty
[04:15] <babylonsfury> so anything to try on usb not loading?
[04:19] <glickinator> hi
[04:19] <babylonsfury> ok
[04:19] <babylonsfury> its actually killing my usb ports, totally
[04:20] <babylonsfury> I can't plug anything into them now, no power to them, no lights on anything I plug in, no recognition its plugged into a power source (checked with ipod)
[04:20] <glick> hey did they finally make adept on par with synaptic?  Also did kubuntu finally get auto update notifications in the task bar like ubuntu has?
[04:20] <babylonsfury> but only after kde desktop starts
[04:22] <glick> anyone?
[04:23] <babylonsfury> think they all fell asleep :(
[04:23] <tomsdale> how do I apply a .diff file in kompare?
[04:23] <glick> i guess so
[04:23] <glick> one thing i like about ubuntu is the auto update notifier i was wondering if kubuntu had that feature too
[04:24] <tomsdale> glick: I'm using jaunty beta and it notifies of updates like in ubuntu.
[04:24] <babylonsfury> if I can get it to start, I'll let you know :P
[04:24] <glick> hmm jaunty beta?
[04:24] <khindenburg> glick: There are auto updates notification on the taskbar
[04:24] <glick> i was thinking of installing ibex
[04:25] <glick> because i need a decent dev enviornment
[04:25] <tomsdale> definitely the way to go for a stable system at the moment.
[04:25] <glick> is ibex decent
[04:25] <khindenburg> I use 8.10 which is fine
[04:26] <glick> khindenburg, that automatically checks if updates are available?
[04:26] <khindenburg> glick: yep
[04:26] <glick> and kde 4.1 is pretty nice? it sure looks pretty on the screenshots
[04:26] <khindenburg> glick: it uses KDE 4.1.x which is OK... 4.2 will be better
[04:27] <glick> will it be easy to upgrade to jaunty?
[04:27] <glick> if i install ibex now?
[04:27] <khindenburg> glick: it is fine... no idea how the upgrade to jaunty will go
[04:28] <glick> i guess ill burn it and try the live cd
[04:28] <khindenburg> glick: or try the beta... if they have a liveCD of it
[04:29] <glick> i have a crappy internet connection
[04:29] <glick> and only a ibex image
[04:30] <glick> i wish they had both ubuntu and kubuntu on a bootable dvd and then a screen came up that would let you choose
[04:35] <tomsdale> glick: maybe you can have grub with 2 live cd images on a USB stick.
[04:35] <tomsdale> that would be actually an interesting project to try.
[04:36] <glick> hmm yeah tomsdale
[04:36] <glick> ok ima reboot, see you in a few
[04:39] <frogonwheels> anybody know why konversation uses  /etc/alternatives/www-browser rather than /etc/alternatives/x-www-browser  ??
[04:43] <khindenburg> frogonwheels: I have both
[04:43] <khindenburg> frogonwheels: though I have the default app for web browser in KDE as konqueror
[04:45] <mefisto__> you can set the browser in konversation's settings anyway
[04:46] <khindenburg> mefisto__: I couldn't find it so I just set it globally for KDE
[04:47] <mefisto__> khindenburg: I only use konversation in hardy (kde3) and it obeys default browser just fine. in intrepid and jaunty I use quassel
[04:48] <frogonwheels> mefisto__:  it's obeying the default browser - just the wrong one ie the text one.   do you have lynx or w3m installed?
[04:49] <mefisto__> frogonwheels: yes I have both of those installed (in hardy)
[04:49] <khindenburg> mefisto__: never heard of quassel...  requires sql-sqlite though... rather much for an irc client
[04:49] <mefisto__> khindenburg: but it doesn't require kde3 libs
[04:50] <khindenburg> mefisto__: I don't  think I have kde3 installed... or is that standard in 8.10?
[04:51] <mefisto__> khindenburg: if you're using any kde3 apps, then you have kde3 libs installed too. kded -v will tell you
[04:51] <glick> howdy
[04:51] <glick> im in the kubuntu live cd
[04:51] <mefisto__> khindenburg: and kded4 -v will give you the kde4 version number
[04:51] <glick> some things look a little unpolished but thats probably because my video drivers arnt installed yet
[04:52] <khindenburg> mefisto__: huh... I do have 3.5.10 installed... I don't recall installing it myself
[04:52] <mefisto__> khindenburg: it comes with the kde3 apps. you probably don't have the whole of kde3, just the required libs for those apps (like konversation)
[04:54] <glick> how do you check for up dates in kde?
[04:54] <khindenburg> use adept  or I use aptitude from konsole
[04:55] <khindenburg> sudo aptitude update; sudo aptitude safe-upgrade
[04:56] <glick> wow, unlike in windows im getting decent download speeds on this network
[04:56] <glick> sweet
[04:57] <mefisto__> glick: you'll probably have many updates available, but if you install them in livecd they will all go when you reboot
[04:57] <glick> yeah i know mefisto__
[04:58] <glick> doens kubuntu come with a django package?
[04:59] <mefisto__> python-django ?
[04:59] <glick> nope
[04:59] <mefisto__> !info python-django
[04:59] <glick> hmm
[05:00] <mefisto__> is that what you're after? I don't know what django is :)
[05:00] <glick> i have main universe, restricted and multiverse selected
[05:00] <glick> yes mefisto__
[05:01] <glick> i dont see it in search in adept
[05:02] <mefisto__> did adept do an update after you enabled the extra repos?
[05:02] <glick> yes
[05:02] <mefisto__> hmm
[05:02] <matadio> Hey. I have some video display issues on boot up and was hoping somebody could help me out.
[05:02] <glick> i also dont see k3b when i type it in search
[05:04] <mefisto__> glick: the livecd may be one of your sources. look in the "3rd party software" tab and unselect cdrom if it's selected
[05:05] <glick> yes it was mefisto__ i unchecked it but i still cant find
[05:05] <glick> pidgin, python-django, or k3b'
[05:05] <glick> when i type it in the search field
[05:07] <mefisto__> glick: is this the intrepid 8.10 livecd?
[05:07] <glick> yes mefisto__
[05:08] <glick> i guess you cant search for things that are installeD?
[05:08] <glick> its right there
[05:08] <glick> buit when i search for it
[05:09] <mefisto__> should still find installed packages, so you can remove them
[05:09] <glencarbonil> glick: did you try sudo apt-get install k9copy
[05:10] <glick> whats k9copy?
[05:10] <olskolirc> i need a hand installing this tar: ./configure --Prefix= i don't remember what prefix = is it /usr/share?
[05:10] <glencarbonil> what you looking for?
[05:10] <olskolirc> never mind i got it
[05:10] <glick> glencarbonil: im looking for django and pidgin
[05:11] <matadio> Can anyone help me with a video problem I have during boot up?
[05:11] <olskolirc> I hate to see this crap! what does it mean? make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found.  Stop.
[05:11] <olskolirc>   I can't "make" or "make install"
[05:11] <glencarbonil> i got pidgin but i am on ubuntu
[05:11] <glick> i cant find anything im looking for
[05:11] <glick> cant find bluefish either
[05:12] <glencarbonil> try ubuntu 8.04 the hardy heron
[05:12] <glick> why cant i find thise things in adept?
[05:12] <glencarbonil> as a os
[05:13] <glencarbonil> is there a way to search apt like apt-cache?
[05:15] <tomsdale> glick: have you enabled community repsitories?
[05:15] <mefisto__> apt-cache search <packagename>
[05:16] <mefisto__> glick: just tried adept from livecd and it's not finding anything for me either
[05:16] <glick> hmmm wird mefisto__
[05:16] <glick> yeah i mefisto__ i have all the sources checked
[05:16] <glick> and the cd unchecked
[05:18] <glick> i wonder if my camera will work in kde
[05:18] <glick> and my webcam
[05:19] <glencarbonil> glick did you try from terminal apt-cache search pidgin
[05:20] <glick> glencarbonil: yeah apt seems to find it
[05:20] <glick> must be an adept bug
[05:20] <glick> :-(
[05:20] <glencarbonil> i get lots with that but do not know what it means
[05:21] <glick> if i need to run something thats gtk in kde will it bring in all of gnome?
[05:21] <glencarbonil> pidgin is a newsgroup reader as far as i know
[05:21] <mefisto__> glick: maybe quit adept, then in konsole: sudo apt-get install adept (that should upgrade adept to newest version)
[05:21] <glick> glencarbonil: pidgin is a instant messenger chat client
[05:23] <mefisto__> glick: and for your camera, look in systemsettings > advanced tab > digital camera  and see if your camera is in the list
[05:23] <glencarbonil> i see that does say internet messenger i was thinking of pan dont use either much
[05:25] <glencarbonil> has any one used sourceforge to find like a volenteer learning job?
[05:27] <glick> hmmm with kate maybe i wont need bluefish :-)
[05:29] <mefisto__> glick: bluefish is available too. maybe you need to do all the upgrades before adept works properly. I installed just adept and it is now finding some, but not other packages
[05:43] <holyscott> any special way to install codecs in the new 9.04 64x beta?
[05:44] <dwidmann> holyscott: I've not tried, but I would assume not
[05:44] <bazhang> !jaunty
[05:44] <holyscott> !codecs
[05:44] <dwidmann> holyscott: It has been the same way for years
[06:17] <glick> did everyone leave?
[06:18] <asm`> no
[06:18] <asm`> im here
[06:18] <asm`> but im worthless
[06:19] <glick> worthless?
[06:19] <glick> in that case can you lend me some money
[06:21] <Crismusg> hello
[06:22] <asm`> glick
[06:22] <asm`> do u work in IT
[06:22] <glick> no asm` why?
[06:31] <glick> hey how do you make kde apps stop pestering you for the wallet whenever you enter in a password
[06:34] <devilsadvocate> glick, allow always
[06:35] <glick> but i dont want the passwords stored in teh wallet
[06:49] <noren> hi all
[07:01] <glick> hey how come my sound isnt working on the live cd
[07:02] <glick> i have no sound nothing has made a sound and i cant adjust the volum from the buttons on the computer
[07:04] <glick> anyone have any ideas why i dont have sound?
[07:05] <glick> anyone know how to get soundage working on kubuntu?
[07:09] <glick> helloooo?
[07:09] <glick> is anyone up?
[07:10] <glick> anyone know what could be causing my sound not to work on the live cd
[07:10] <eMaX> yes I am particularly up at the moment
[07:10] <asm`> glick
[07:10] <asm`> i was just w what u do.
[07:10] <asm`> jw
[07:11] <glick> oh im  a electrical eng
[07:11] <asm`> really
[07:11] <asm`> swet
[07:11] <asm`> hows that market
[07:12] <glick> i cant speak for the market, but its okay for me for now
[07:13] <glick> heh damnnnnnn
[07:14] <roccity_> whats happening people
[07:14] <noren_> hello glick, run alsamixer and see if its mute
[07:16] <glick> i run alsamixer in the commandline?
[07:18] <glick> it doesnt appear to be mutted
[07:18] <glick> muted
[07:21] <glick> maybe i just have to install it and install all the updates
[07:21] <glick> ?
[07:23] <noren_> !sound
[07:24] <noren_> glick: ^^^ u can strt from this
[07:28] <glick> hmm
[07:28] <glick> seems to all be set
[07:32] <glick> when i install and upgrade all the packages it should work right?
[07:32] <glick> most probably
[07:32] <glick> ?
[07:32] <glick> because it works fine in ubuntu
[07:34] <noren_> yes it sud
[07:50] <kyle__> Hey guys, does any one know how to open a microsoft visio document in kubuntu? .vsd
[07:53] <kyle__> any one?
[07:54] <asm`> openoffice?
[07:54] <kyle__> i cant find a filter in open office that works with .vsd
[07:56] <dingding> someone here?
[07:56] <eMaX> kyle__, not that I know of
[07:56] <bazhang> dingding, yes?
[07:57] <kyle__> i found something called vsdump but dont know how to use it to convert .vsd cant find anything in wiki either on vsdump
[07:58] <kyle__> aptitude search vsdump
[07:59] <dingding> bazhang:why are you folowing me?
[07:59] <stdin> he's not
[08:00] <stdin> he was here before you
[08:00] <dingding> ok
[08:00] <bazhang> dingding, I am in this channel at most of the time
[08:00] <dingding> so you will ban me?
[08:00] <bazhang> dingding, do you have a support question?
[08:00] <dingding> yes
[08:00] <bazhang> dingding, then please ask it
[08:01] <Icebuntu> dingding:  he ( bazhang ) follows me to and most of my friends and lots of others etc .. etc
[08:01] <bazhang> Icebuntu, ??
[08:01] <dingding> hello ,when i start my system and start an app the title bar are missing
[08:02] <bazhang> dingding, is this using compiz?
[08:02] <dingding> yes but compiz is not the problem i think is from emerald
[08:03] <bazhang> dingding, what about uninstalling emerald then
[08:03] <dingding> i did
[08:03] <dingding> and nothing
[08:04] <bazhang> dingding, and what about the default window decorator?
[08:05] <dingding> i will try
[08:05] <dingding> it works
[08:06] <dingding> it was from compiz icon
[08:06] <dingding> thanks
[08:06] <bazhang> no problem
[08:07] <dingding> bazhang:so if i go to #ubuntu i will be kicked?
[08:08] <bazhang> dingding, that is not for discussion here.
[08:08] <noren_> dingding: ?? why ??
[08:08] <dingding> ok
[08:08] <dingding> but why are so quiet in here?
[08:09] <bazhang> dingding, this is support channel; chat in #kubuntu-offtopic
[08:10] <dingding> relax man is nobody in here
[08:10] <dvd> no
[08:10] <bazhang> !ot
[08:12] <dingding> how can i make grub screen go away?
[08:12] <stdin> set the timeout to 0
[08:12] <bazhang> dingding, go away? as in show the briefest moment possible?
[08:12] <dingding> what time out
[08:12] <bazhang> zero
[08:13] <stdin> in /boot/grub/menu.lst
[08:13] <dingding> lets try
[08:14] <dingding> i dont have right to do that
[08:14] <dingding> and i am the single user
[08:14] <bazhang> dingding, what command did you use
[08:14] <dingding> from terminal you mean
[08:14] <dingding> ?
[08:14] <dingding> ?
[08:14] <bazhang> yes
[08:15] <dingding> i did not used the terminal
[08:15] <bazhang> dingding, then how did you access that file
[08:15] <dingding> computer/filesystem/boot/menu.ls
[08:16] <noren_> dingding: try sudo kate /boot/grub/menu.lst
[08:16] <bazhang> kdesudo
[08:16] <bazhang> noren_, you should know that by now :)
[08:16] <dingding> bash: kate command not found
[08:16] <bazhang> !kdesudo
[08:17] <bazhang> oh right
[08:17] <bazhang> gksudo gedit dingding
[08:17] <dingding> hey im usung ubuntu ,normaly i would use #ubuntu but i am banned
[08:18] <bazhang> dingding, dont discuss that here.
[08:18] <ikonia> dingding: that is a consiquence of your actions
[08:18] <ikonia> dingding: this channel is for kde support. Please read the topic
[08:18] <bazhang> dingding, as I said once before NOT for here.
[08:19] <dingding> fine
[08:19] <dingding> i will go shoot myself
[08:19] <noren_> bazhang: i always use sudo its never a prob !!
[08:19] <ikonia> noren_: can be for some X11 apps
[08:19] <stdin> dingding: if you can not stay on topic, you'll have to go somewhere else
[08:20] <dingding> ok
[08:20] <stdin> noren_: if you use sudo it can write files as root in your $HOME, which can cause problems
[08:21] <noren_> well then how to know when to use sudo and wnd wen kdesudo
[08:22] <bazhang> noren_, graphical
[08:22] <stdin> noren_: with command-line apps, use sudo. with GUI apps, use kdesudo
[08:22] <bazhang> kate, and gedit are graphical noren_
[08:29] <noren_> bazhang: but if i want to alter something in the root directory it wont let me if i use kdesudo dolphin
[08:29] <bazhang> noren_, what do you need to change there?
[08:30] <noren_> i was trying to open a mounted partition from kdesudo dolhine it gave me error
[08:31] <kalidar> hi guys does anyone know of a easy to install and nice graphical bootloader?
[08:31] <viper> Hi
[08:32] <ikonia> kalidar: grub is graphical
[08:32] <ikonia> kalidar: how more graphical do you wawnt ?
[08:55] <viper> does the ati fglrx driver remove the suspend to disk and suspend to ram button in the leave menu?
[09:36] <altrortla> i'm trying to add reposities in adept, but if i do add (e.g. http://it.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hardy main restricted) nothing appens
[09:45] <futuresoon> altrortla: did you refresh the package list? (i think they have that in adept)
[09:54] <p-f> How can I make the state of /sys/class/leds/*/trigger permanent? I always have to echo 'none' to them after I reboot/restore from suspend-to-ram because it keeps reverting to its completely pointless blinking-on-every-single-packet-I-receive state
[10:01] <noukist> !gr
[10:22] <vital> How do I change pulseaudio output from the standardoutput to my usb-headset
[10:22] <vital> add a "?" to that
[10:22] <p-f> How can I make the state of /sys/class/leds/*/trigger permanent? I always have to echo 'none' to them after I reboot/restore from suspend-to-ram because it keeps reverting to its completely pointless blinking-on-every-single-packet-I-receive state.
[10:22] <maco> vital: you can use pavucontrol to migrate a stream to a specifc audio device
[10:23] <vital> maco, okay, I'll try that. Thanks!
[10:32] <florian__> Hi do anyone of you know which tool is responsible to keep route uptodate? I've got a problem, on my laptop, if I unplug the cable, and then enter 'route -n' it's empty, which is ok. On my PC, the entry of route doesn't change after unplugging the network cable.
[10:41]  * Ev0luti0n_ is away: Gone away for now
[10:42]  * Ev0luti0n_ is back.
[10:42]  * Ev0luti0n_ is away: Gone away for now
[10:42]  * Ev0luti0n_ is back.
[10:42] <bazhang> !away > Ev0luti0n_
[10:43] <noukist> hi again is there any configuration to put up the vonume in th microfone because when i talk to skype i have to scream to hear me
[10:43] <noukist> !!  ? :s
[11:03] <marco> hhhhhhhhhheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeelpppppppppppppppppppppppp !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
[11:04] <marco> help help help help help help help help help help help help help help help help help help help help help
[11:04] <bazhang> marco, stop that
[11:04] <marco> ok sorry
[11:04] <bazhang> ask a question
[11:04] <marco> I am asking around in forums and so on and nobody seem to be helpful
[11:05] <marco> I had to reinstall 8.04 a week ago because after i upgraded the system crashed at login
[11:05] <bazhang> marco, spamming help wont get you help here any faster
[11:05] <marco> and now I cannot get my video card wotrking
[11:05] <marco> always the wrong resolution
[11:05] <marco> reconfigure xorg has no use
[11:05] <marco> so what I need is somebody to help me get this thing working
[11:05] <marco> I am on Kubuntu 8.04
[11:06] <bazhang> dont use the enter key so much
[11:06] <marco> and I have to give xrandr -s 1024x768 after every login
[11:06] <marco> uh ok.
[11:07] <marco> ok that was my problem
[11:08]  * noukist afk
[11:09] <marco> ....
[11:10] <marco> help anyone?
[11:13] <marco> ....
[11:14] <marco> thanks for help guys....
[11:23] <amgarching> what is the official way to disbale services like "proftpd" without de-installing them. Manual editing of e.g. /etc/default/proftpd ???
[11:28]  * dr_willis wakes up
[11:29] <dr_willis> amgarching:  check out the upstart init system and the 'sysv' tools. You can disable services without uninstalling them
[11:29] <dr_willis> !upstart
[11:34] <amgarching> dr_willis: thanks I'll look into it. Setting RUN="no" in /etc/default/* doesnt even allow to start/stop /etc/init.d/service manually
[11:58] <MarkieMark1> !away
[12:02] <BluesKaj> 'Morning Folks
[12:02] <dingding> morning
[12:02] <bazhang> hi
[12:06] <rcb> gmail
[12:26] <babylonsfury> morning guys
[12:26] <dingding> morning
[12:26] <bazhang> hi
[12:26] <babylonsfury> I can't get usb to work past grub, second I boot into root or kde usb is gone
[12:27] <ikonia> babylonsfury: boot into root ?
[12:27] <ikonia> babylonsfury: could you try to explain that again
[12:27] <babylonsfury> from the menu, if I use the recovery option
[12:27] <babylonsfury> instead of the normal one
[12:27] <ikonia> what do you mean "usb is gone"
[12:27] <babylonsfury> gone, as in power disabled to the ports, not there, won't recognize a device at all
[12:28] <babylonsfury> what's weird, is the install, ran fine with it
[12:28] <ikonia> babylonsfury: what does the syslog say when you plug something in ?
[12:28] <ikonia> babylonsfury: are the usb kernel modules currently loaded ?
[12:28] <babylonsfury> I can't get that far, or I don't know how to
[12:29] <ikonia> babylonsfury: lack of usb is stopping you boot ?
[12:29] <babylonsfury> I boot into grub, with usb, and everything is good
[12:29] <babylonsfury> I can select my boot options
[12:29] <ikonia> babylonsfury: what happens when you try to boot normally
[12:29] <babylonsfury> but the very second I try to change a boot option, or boot into any mode
[12:29] <ikonia> babylonsfury: not haveing usb support shouldn't stop your machine booting
[12:29] <babylonsfury> usb goes away
[12:29] <ikonia> babylonsfury: you're not making much sense in what youre saying
[12:29] <babylonsfury> it boots, I can get to the login screen
[12:30] <babylonsfury> but I can't type anything, I can't change any options, i can't get to a console
[12:30] <ikonia> babylonsfury: ok - so your keyboard and mouse is USB ?
[12:30] <ikonia> is that the problem
[12:30] <babylonsfury> yes
[12:32] <babylonsfury> and no ps/2 on here :(
[12:32] <ikonia> ok - so the problem is your usb keyboard/mouse isn't working
[12:32] <ikonia> not USB is dead
[12:32] <babylonsfury> correct, not past grub
[12:32] <ikonia> ok now that makes more sense
[12:32] <babylonsfury> well, usb dies, after grub, like, I can't plug my phone or ipod in anymore, they don't even detect they have power
[12:32] <ikonia> babylonsfury: the first thing I'd suggest doing is changing the splash option on the normal boot so you can see what's going on when you boot
[12:32] <ikonia> babylonsfury: that maybe the best idea to get an idea to the problem
[12:32] <babylonsfury> i can't
[12:32] <cinex> ikonia: would the errors be in dmesg ?
[12:32] <ikonia> cinex: he can't login to look
[12:32] <babylonsfury> it tells you to use the up and down keys to select an entry
[12:32] <babylonsfury> and push to e edit commands before booting
[12:32] <ikonia> babylonsfury: you said usb worked at the grub level
[12:32] <babylonsfury> or c for command line
[12:32] <babylonsfury> I can use up and down, and I can push enter
[12:32] <babylonsfury> put if I push e? or c?
[12:33] <babylonsfury> usb clicks off immediately
[12:33] <babylonsfury> gone
[12:33] <ikonia> babylonsfury: ok - so lets do it the long way around
[12:33] <runpain2> i do not like the plasma and kde4 desktop in 8.10 i like the kde3.5 desktop the best can i uninstall plasama and kde4.1 and install kde3.5.8
[12:33] <ikonia> babylonsfury: boot from a livecd - and mount your ubuntu disk and modify the menu.lst on your disk
[12:33] <babylonsfury> ok, booting from a livecd, might need a bit of help on mounting the disk though
[12:33] <ikonia> babylonsfury: no problem
[12:34] <cinex> could u install grub to the main harddrive?
[12:34] <ikonia> cinex: it's on the main disk
[12:34] <ikonia> cinex: sorry - yes you can
[12:34] <runpain2> i do not like the plasma and kde4 desktop in 8.10 i like the kde3.5 desktop the best can i uninstall plasama and kde4.1 and install kde3.5.8
[12:34] <cinex> grub seems to only like one of the usb ports on my laptop but can never find the device when i try to boot from it with grub.
[12:35] <babylonsfury> ok, livecd loaded
[12:35] <dingding> !repeat >runpain2
[12:35] <cinex> runpain2: try reading: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=963695
[12:36] <ikonia> babylonsfury: ok - do you know your disk partition for ubuntu installl ?
[12:36] <babylonsfury> sort of, new to it in linux, but I manually partitioned it
[12:36] <Chiselhuk_plus1> Hello. *cough cough*
[12:36] <ikonia> babylonsfury: thats ok - everyhont is new at some point
[12:36] <runpain2> thaks cinex
[12:37] <ikonia> babylonsfury: can you use the pastebin and show me the output of sudo fdisk -l
[12:37] <ikonia> babylonsfury: we'll work it through
[12:37] <Chiselhuk_plus1> I am running Ubuntu and have just tried to install korganizer using the synaptic package installer & it's nowhere to be found in my menu!! :(
[12:37] <ikonia> cinex: ubuntu or kubuntu ?
[12:37] <p-f> How can I make the state of /sys/class/leds/*/trigger permanent? I always have to echo 'none' to them after I reboot/restore from suspend-to-ram because it keeps reverting to its completely pointless blinking-on-every-single-packet-I-receive state.
[12:38] <babylonsfury> sure
[12:38] <ikonia> p-f: put it in an init script
[12:38] <cinex> ikonia: what are you on about ?
[12:38] <ikonia> p-f: or see if there is a kernel boot option
[12:38] <ikonia> cinex: sorry - miss-type
try sudo korganizer in terminal
[12:38] <p-f> ikonia: I tried /etc/rc.init, it gets run before these devices are created
[12:38] <ikonia> Chiselhuk_plus1: are you on ubuntu or kubuntu
[12:38] <cinex> ikonia: ok
[12:38] <Chiselhuk_plus1> dingding: Thanks, any idea on how I get it into the menu? :)
[12:38] <ikonia> p-f: how about an option in sysctl.conf
[12:38] <dingding> no
no
 i know pres Alt+F2 and make a launcher
[12:39] <p-f> ikonia: I'll have a look at it, thanks
[12:40] <Chiselhuk_plus1> dingding: I got an error running it from terminal " Communication problem with korganizer, it probably crashed."
[12:40] <SandGorgon> has anybody used Reconstructor to make a custom livecd-installer ? Is it recommended vs some other method...
[12:40] <dingding> are you using gnome?
 are you using gnome?
[12:41] <Chiselhuk_plus1> dingding: I don't know, I'm pretty dumb on all this! *blush*
you have two panel one on the top and one at the bottom?
[12:41] <Eruaran> (probably not)
[12:41] <Chiselhuk_plus1> dingding: Yes, and It's Hardy Heron
[12:42] <runpain2> that sure is a long post cinex
you are using gnome and korganizer is for kde
[12:42] <Chiselhuk_plus1> dingding: Aha, any idea if there's one for gnome?
et me check
[12:43] <Chiselhuk_plus1> dingding: Thanks for your help, will u marry me? LOL
 no
[12:44] <Chiselhuk_plus1> dingding: Good!! I don't think I could handle becoming a computer widow again!! Am recovering from 16 yrs with a pc addict!!
[12:45] <bazhang> !ot
[12:48] <runpain2> um cinex i have a problem with all this that post was 38pages long whew
[12:48] <Chiselhuk_plus1> dingding: I don't know how the ex had my pc setup b4, but I ran korganizer on what appeared a gnome system!  I have a backup I need to restore to get my contacts back!!
[12:48] <cinex> runpain2: hold on
[12:48] <runpain2> its kinda confussing
[12:48] <cinex> runpain2: you only need to add the repository addresses, update them and then install kubuntu-desktop-kde3
[12:48] <Eruaran> Chiselhuk_plus1: What email program do you use ?
[12:49] <cinex> then you log out and log into kde3
[12:49] <runpain2> ok got it
[12:49] <runpain2> thanks agaian cinex
[12:49] <cinex> i would suggest just sticking a #in front of the lines it says to remove though
[12:49] <runpain2> hmm
[12:50] <cinex> incase you ever want to add them back
[12:50] <dingding> Euaran: he needs an organizer not a email program
[12:50] <Eruaran> dingding: ok
[12:50] <Eruaran> How about a nice PIM like Kontact ?
[12:50] <runpain2> ok well i havent installed kubuntu yet i wanted to see if it would work first
[12:50] <mofux> hi guys... just trying to upgrade from 8.04 to kubuntu jaunty beta but it fails fetching packages for me :(
[12:51] <cinex> runpain2: there is always a repository somewhere lol
[12:51] <Pici> mofux: Please join #ubuntu+1 for Jaunty/9.04 support/discussion.
[12:51] <dingding> Euaran: It got to be a program for him to work
[12:51] <runpain2> ya i see
[12:51] <cinex> I might do that as wella ctually
[12:51] <runpain2> thanlks goning to copy all this and try it out
[12:51] <cinex> actually
[12:52] <cinex> runpain2: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=963695
[12:52] <cinex> online bookmarks
[12:53] <runpain2> ok
[12:54] <cinex> opera lets you save your bookmarks online too with a sync feature
[12:54] <dingding> Chiselhuk_plus1: try simple agenda
[12:55] <bazhang> dingding, what is simple agenda
[12:56] <BluesKaj> mofux , you can't skip a release , you have to install 8.10 first , then upgrade to Jaunty
[12:57] <dingding> bazhang: it is a program similar ti korganizer
[12:57] <bazhang> dingding, in the ubuntu repos?
[12:57] <dingding> bazhang: i found it in synaptic
[12:58] <runpain2> how do i do online bookmarks
[12:58] <bazhang> dingding, what is the correct name
[12:58] <dingding> bazhang: SimpleAgenda
[12:58] <Chiselhuk_plus1> dingding: Sorry got called away!  I use gmail online.
[12:58] <bazhang> !info simpleagenda
[12:59] <bazhang> dingding, no such package
[12:59] <runpain2> cinex, how do i do online bookmarks
[12:59] <Chiselhuk_plus1> ding ding I will try simple agenda thanks.
[12:59] <dingding> bazhang:search in synaptic
[12:59] <bazhang> dingding, it does not exist.
[13:00] <cinex> runpain2: sign up for http://delicious.com/ and it will give you instructions on how to bookmark the site so that you can save them quickly
[13:00] <dingding> bazhang: if i found it and you will find it
[13:00] <dingding> bazhang:it is for gnome
[13:00] <cinex> runpain2: in opera just go to file/syncronize opera
[13:01] <bazhang> dingding, please stop giving incorrect advice.
[13:01] <dingding> bazhang: i dont know how you search it but i found it in synaptic
[13:01] <Chiselhuk_plus1> dingding: Nothing came up on simple agenda!
[13:02] <bazhang> dingding, it is not there.
[13:02] <Chiselhuk_plus1> I found agenda.app
 run sudo apt-get update in terminal
[13:02] <bazhang> dingding, stop
[13:03] <bazhang> dingding, it does not exist.
[13:03] <dingding> or sudo apt-get install simple agenda
[13:03] <dingding> bazhang:maybe your package information is out of date
[13:03] <bazhang> Chiselhuk_plus1, ignore this advice from dingding
[13:03] <Chiselhuk_plus1> bazhang: I'm not doing a thing......who do I listen to???
[13:03] <bazhang> !ops | dingding
[13:04] <dingding> bazhang:what is that?
[13:04] <asraniel> hi there, anybody has the problem that when kontakt is autostarting on login (session restore), it thinks that there is already a kontakt started?
[13:05] <Chiselhuk_plus1> bazhang: Wot organiser can I use? I used to use korganizer
[13:06] <bazhang> Chiselhuk_plus1, you can use that with gnome if you wish
[13:06] <esperegu> how do I reset the soundsystem?
[13:06] <bazhang> Chiselhuk_plus1, it will pull in some kde libs but if that is what you are used to then no problems
[13:06] <esperegu> sound is not working properly lately.
[13:06] <Chiselhuk_plus1> bazhang: That's wot I used b4, but dingding told me I can't!!
[13:07] <bazhang> Chiselhuk_plus1, and he/she is totally wrong
[13:07] <esperegu> but after rebooting it at least does something, be it choppy)
[13:07] <Chiselhuk_plus1> bazhang: I have a backup of all my contacts I need to access and I was using korganizer.
[13:07] <bazhang> Chiselhuk_plus1, then go ahead and install it and use it
 she cant find it in menu and it gives her an error in terminal maybe is not proprely installed
[13:08] <Chiselhuk_plus1> I did install it but it didn't load in my menu 'n I got an error when trying to run if from terminal.
[13:08] <cinex> esperegu:  sudo  /etc/init.d/alsa-utils restart
[13:08] <cinex> maybe
[13:08] <bazhang> Chiselhuk_plus1, please paste.ubuntu.com with the error
[13:08] <cinex> or via the system settings / sound (kde3)
[13:09] <cinex> esperegu: you might be able to unload/load modules too
[13:09]  * Ev0luti0n_ is away: Gone away for now
[13:09] <bazhang> !away > Ev0luti0n_
[13:09] <Chiselhuk_plus1> bazhang: paste where? :( I'm a little dumb, sorry! :(
[13:09] <esperegu> cinex: the first one did not help
[13:10] <bazhang> Chiselhuk_plus1, open a browser (firefox or the like) and go to paste.ubuntu.com
[13:10] <Chiselhuk_plus1> bazhang: thanks
[13:10] <dingding> Chiselhuk_plus1> :go to paste.ubuntu.com and paste the error  there
[13:10] <bazhang> Chiselhuk_plus1, paste the errors there, then save and give use the url
[13:11] <runpain2> thanks cinex  that helps me alot
[13:11] <runpain2> see ya laters
[13:11] <Chiselhuk_plus1> bazhang: Okay, just reinstalling it!!
[13:11] <babylonsfury> ok, progress here
[13:12] <babylonsfury> found a very old serial keyboard, plugged it into my gameport
[13:12] <babylonsfury> and surprisingly enough, kubuntu recognized it
[13:12] <babylonsfury> lol
[13:12] <babylonsfury> so I'm logged into root, but still with no usb functionality
[13:13] <Chiselhuk_plus1> bazhang: Here u go - http://paste.ubuntu.com/138940/
[13:14] <bazhang> Chiselhuk_plus1, why are you using sudo with that?
[13:14] <babylonsfury> anything to try and get usb running?
[13:14] <Chiselhuk_plus1> bazhang: dingding  told me to!
 : try witjout sudo
 try without sudo
[13:15] <Chiselhuk_plus1> bazhang: Same error!
[13:16] <babylonsfury> here's the other thing, if I add irqpoll to the boot options
[13:16] <babylonsfury> usb works as expected
[13:16] <babylonsfury> for about 30 to 60 seconds
[13:16] <babylonsfury> before I get a reboot
[13:16] <Chiselhuk_plus1> bazhang: Tried to run it from Alt F2 & nothing happened
[13:16] <babylonsfury> if I add acpi=off
[13:16] <babylonsfury> I'm fine, until i try to shutdown, in which it hangs indefinitely
[13:17] <babylonsfury> plus the fact it takes 5+ minutes to load
[13:17] <babylonsfury> but it works
[13:17] <dingding> Chiselhuk_plus1: press Alt+F2 and type korganizer
[13:19] <Chiselhuk_plus1> dingding: I did that, nothing happened!!
[13:19] <dingding> and you clicked run?
[13:19] <Chiselhuk_plus1> dingding: It's how I run xcalc, so  I know how to use it, yes! lol
[13:20] <dingding> from where did you instaled it from synaptic or add or remove programs?
[13:21] <Chiselhuk_plus1> dingding: Yes, I used synaptic
[13:21] <dingding> try from add or remove programs
[13:21] <dingding> maybe a package was not installed or a dependencie?
[13:23] <Chiselhuk_plus1> dingding: It's there....wot to do with it?
[13:24] <dingding> click on apllications
[13:24] <dingding> and add or remove
[13:24] <dingding> add/remove
[13:24] <dingding> the last one
[13:44] <Chiselhuk_plus1> bazhang: I got it!!! I installed Kontact and it's running!! :) Thanks for your help. :)
[13:45] <bazhang> Chiselhuk_plus1, great
[13:45] <Marfi> Does anyone know the link of the new additions for kubuntu 9.04?
[13:45] <bazhang> !yay | Chiselhuk_plus1
[13:45] <Marfi> Googled it, and can't find it
[13:45] <bazhang> #ubuntu+1 for that Marfi
[13:46] <Chiselhuk_plus1> bazhang: Be on standby, I've yet to restore my contacts!! I think it's as easy as pointing the program to the database files? :)
[13:50] <Chiselhuk_plus1> bazhang: Okay it's not as easy as I thought it'd be!!! lol How do I point the program in the direction of my files? *blush*
[13:50] <bazhang> Chiselhuk_plus1, where are they stored?
[13:50] <Chiselhuk_plus1> in my documents directory
[13:51] <Chiselhuk_plus1> bazhang: In my documents/organiser dir
[13:54] <Chiselhuk_plus1> bazhang: Do u want the exact path of directories?
[13:56] <bazhang> Chiselhuk_plus1, did you configure Kontact?
[13:57] <Chiselhuk_plus1> bazhang: Obviously not, no.  Not sure how to the ex did all my dirty work! :(
[13:57] <bazhang> Chiselhuk_plus1, if you have kontact open, go to settings menu, then configure kontact in that menu
[13:58] <Chiselhuk_plus1b> ok
[13:59] <Chiselhuk_plus1b> bazhang: Am there, now where do I change directories so to speak??
[13:59] <bazhang> Chiselhuk_plus1b, no idea sorry; never used kontact myself
[13:59] <Chiselhuk_plus1b> bazhang: Will quiz the ex, thanks for your help.
[14:03] <babylonsfury> ok guys
[14:03] <babylonsfury> tracked it down to my sound driver, onboard sound
[14:03] <babylonsfury> if I disable onboard sound, I no longer need irqpoll, system boots fine, and no usb problems
[14:03] <babylonsfury> second I enable, I'm up the creek without a paddle
[14:04] <babylonsfury> realtek ac 97 audio on an amd 64
[14:04] <babylonsfury> is there a repository or package built in I can try installing?
[14:07] <resno> hello all. I am seeing something weird when I open files in terminal. Is says error reading .nano_histroy: permssion denied. When I try to use pico.
[14:13] <genii> resno: This is because sometime previously you used nano with admin priveleges in your regular user's home directory and it overwrote the history file with incorrect permissions for the normal user to access. Chown the file back to them and all will be well
[14:15] <resno> genii: ok. i will try that.
[14:15] <Chiselhuk_plus1> Hi, can anyone here help me configure Kontact, please? I have used it b4, and have my database files on hdd, just don't know how to point the program in the right direction!
[14:16] <BluesKaj> babylonsfury, lspci | grep audio to find the name of your soundcard , so you can install the right driver
[14:17] <BluesKaj> babylonsfury, also make sure that you have alsa-base installed on your system
[14:22] <resno> genii: when i cd to the folder and ls -a i dont see the file there.
[14:25] <Chiselhuk_plus1> Need help setting up Kontact, any help here?
[14:26] <genii> resno: sudo chown username:username /home/username/.nano_history                    but of course use your real username wherever it says "username" in the example I just gave
[14:27] <resno> genii: thanks that did the trick :)
[14:27] <genii> resno: Yer welcome
[14:27] <resno> genii: i thought an update caused that problem. i dont ever rmember using nano.
[14:28] <resno> i usually stick to pico
[14:28] <genii> resno: It still uses the .nano_history   same as dash or sh   uses .bashrc  or so on
[14:30] <resno> genii: oh. I learn something new everyday. I am still a noob to the Linux ways.
[14:30]  * genii makes more coffee 
[14:39] <EvaLuaTe> hello
[14:39] <EvaLuaTe> i'm having issues while trying to install kubuntu
[14:40] <EvaLuaTe> after i enter the time zone and the keyboard layout, after it scans the disks, the installer either remains there (at the keyboard layout selection window) or opens the partitions window but doesn't show anything (any partitions) inside the window
[14:41] <genii> EvaLuaTe: That usually means the chipset which controls the ide/sata/scsi bus is not recognised or have a driver loaded
[14:41] <EvaLuaTe> i have to mention that i also have windows installed on a partition and i have 4 partitions
[14:41] <EvaLuaTe> genii: any suggestion on how i could solve this?
[14:43] <genii> EvaLuaTe: usel lspci command to return the list of hardware on the pci bus.... find the one which is your disk controller. Then google for which linux driver is needed. Often you just need to modprobe one in and then it sees the discs attached after
[14:43] <EvaLuaTe> hmm
[14:44] <genii> EvaLuaTe: If you use lspci -nn   it will return also  vendor:device    codes in the result which can be useful
[14:44] <EvaLuaTe> ok, i also have another issue. kubuntu doesn't seem to recognize my wireless adapter by default, so i have no internet connection when i boot into kubuntu
[14:45] <genii> Use the wired connection then ?
[14:45] <EvaLuaTe> i dont have any :p
[14:49] <BluesKaj> EvaLuaTe, do you have your wireless connection edit/setup to auto-connect in knetwork manager ?
[14:49] <genii> Sorry for lag, work is getting busy here again :/
[15:02] <khindenburg> yikes, 22 hours to download 9.04 beta... 4.2GB might be a bit much
[15:03] <genii> Maybe wait til it gets seeded then torrent it
[15:04] <dingding> 4.2 gb ubuntu jaunty?
[15:04] <khindenburg> dingding: yea, beta dvd
[15:04] <dingding> wow
[15:04] <dingding> i better stay to 8.10
[15:11] <mjrclark> EcaLuaTe: it might be different, but I had the same symptoms when I had a large and slow usb hard disk plugged, I removed it and proceeded easily.
[15:15] <jameshicks212121> hello all, anyone know how to fix /etc/resolv.conf? It has proper nameserver in it but ping google.com returns unknown host. nslookup however will resolve google.com. Any ideas what I've screwed up?
[15:16] <genii> Probably default route doesn't use whatever interface is internet-connected but the LAN connection or so
[15:17] <jameshicks212121> genii: can ping the nameserver in /etc/resolv.conf
[15:17] <EvaLuaTe> genii: i'm back =) could you please tell me what to google for if i get this response: http://pastebin.com/d3b627db0 ?
[15:18] <genii> jameshicks212121: perhaps pastebin contents of resolv.conf
[15:18] <genii> EvaLuaTe: Reading, 1 minute
[15:18] <EvaLuaTe> genii: i know AR242x is the id of the wireless card, but i can't figure out what the hard drive's id is in there ...
[15:19] <genii> EvaLuaTe: The hd controller looks like some OEM thing rebranded by ATI :/
[15:19] <EvaLuaTe> hmm
[15:19] <genii> EvaLuaTe: eg: 00:12.0 SATA controller: ATI Technologies Inc SB600 Non-Raid-5 SATA
[15:20] <jameshicks212121> genii: nameserver 192.168.1.1
[15:20] <EvaLuaTe> i remember installing ubuntu on it a couple of months ago, so it should work ... i just can't remember what exactly i did for it to work ...
[15:21] <genii> jameshicks212121: Also does  command:   route                  show that 192.168.1.X (eth0 or eth1 address) is default route (whatever one is on same segment as your nameserver/router)
[15:21] <dingding> bazhang:hello
[15:21] <jameshicks212121> genii: 0.0.0.0         192.168.1.1     0.0.0.0         UG    100    0        0 eth6
[15:23] <genii> jameshicks212121: You have 7 ethernet adapters?
[15:23] <jameshicks212121> no, there is only one now.
[15:23] <bazhang> dingding, did you have a support question?
[15:24] <EvaLuaTe> genii: any idea what drive i should load for the hdd to be recognised?
[15:24] <EvaLuaTe> s/drive/driver/
[15:25] <jameshicks212121> genii: not sure why it's using eth6 but I've just been going with it.
[15:25] <EvaLuaTe> i tried searching google for that string you pasted from my lspci but didn't find anything useful
[15:29] <genii> EvaLuaTe: Use lspci -nn     and you will see something like      1234:6789      in the return string. This is the device:vendor code. Sometime you'll return a hit on that
[15:31] <genii> jameshicks212121: Could you pastebin please result of: ifconfig eth6   (not to channel here but to pastebin website, it will be more lines than is considered flooding here)
[15:32] <genii> Please bear with me people, work is needing me briefly every few minutes. But I'm not going anyplace, just laggy
[15:33] <EvaLuaTe> genii: the device:vendor of the device appear as: [1002:4380]. tried googling for that with no result either. also, the fact that the system seems to recognize the hdd (it shows up if i do cat /proc/partitions ) but doesn't show it in the install window is pretty awkward, isn't it?
[15:34] <genii> EvaLuaTe: Yes, it's very unusual
[15:35] <genii> EvaLuaTe: Does: sudo fdisk -l              show it as being there?
[15:35] <EvaLuaTe> genii: http://pastebin.com/d2fe70b05
[15:36] <genii> EvaLuaTe: Reading
[15:37] <esperegu_> which regular expression editor to use in kde?
[15:38] <genii> EvaLuaTe: Well, you could use command-line interactive fdisk to do the partitioning part I suppose. But it's extremely weird that gparted/qtparted isn't showing it.
[15:39] <EvaLuaTe> genii: i don't need to partition anything, i already have a ~15 GB formatted partition, which would be prefect for installing kubuntu...
[15:40] <EvaLuaTe> genii: is there any way to directly (without the kubuntu installer) install kubuntu onto a partition?
[15:40] <jameshicks212121> genii: http://pastebin.com/d70362b61
[15:43] <panbb> 各位高手，有没有玩过sauerbraten游戏？
[15:43] <Pici> !zh | panbb
[15:44] <panbb> #ubuntu-cn
[15:44] <panbb> 各位高手，有没有玩过sauerbraten游戏？
[15:45] <panbb>   有个很棘手的问题想请教一下。
[15:46] <khindenburg> I think you want /join #ubuntu-cn
[15:46] <genii> EvaLuaTe: I think I'd recommend using the alternate install cd in this case
[15:47] <panbb> thanks
[15:54] <EvaLuaTe> genii: i now converted the drive (/dev/sda6 ) to ext2, but it still doesn't show up in the installer. so, back to my previous question, is there any way to install kubuntu directly onto a drive without using the installer?
[15:55] <genii> EvaLuaTe: Perhaps, but I don't know how if such a way does exist
[15:59] <gorgonzola> hello all! silly question: I want to upgrade to Jaunty Beta, but i have fglrx drivers installed, and trhe upgrader complains that there are no working versions of this driver for jaunty. If i press "continue", will the upgrader cleanly remove fglrx and replace it with radeon or something, or would it be better to remove fglrx before and then upgrade?
[16:01] <JontheEchidna> gorgonzola: yes, it will replace it for you
[16:02] <EvaLuaTe> genii: sorry, livecd froze. did you reply anything? =)
[16:02] <gorgonzola> so this: "Upgrading a desktop system using an ATI video chipset with the fglrx binary-only driver may result in a warning that the driver needs to be replaced. There is a bug in the driver replacement logic, so if you see this prompt, please cancel the upgrade until this is fixed, which will happen immediately after the beta release. " from http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/jaunty/beta should not be of importance to kubuntu?
[16:03] <genii> EvaLuaTe: My last message:  Perhaps, but I don't know how if such a way does exist              (referring to some direct install method bypassing partitioner)
[16:03] <Pici> !jaunty | gorgonzola
[16:03] <cinex> well gorgonzola it says to cancel the upgrade
[16:04] <EvaLuaTe> genii: hmm, do you have any other suggestion then?
[16:04] <gorgonzola> aha. so i should remove fglrx on my own before upgrading, or wait for the promised fix?
[16:04] <cinex> that's up to you gorgonzola
[16:04] <cinex> u might get stuck with a vesa driver though
[16:05] <genii> EvaLuaTe: The alternate CD has a text based installer. It may succeed where the gui installer failed
[16:05] <KomiaPoika> hi
[16:05] <dwidmann> So, it _may_ result in that error message/prompt, or it will? (this could very well affect me too)
[16:05] <KomiaPoika> on fresh kubuntu 8.04 install, amarok can't play a m3u stream and complains there is no decoder. what package do i need?
[16:05] <gorgonzola> cinex: ok. i'll get ready to engage xorg in a blood bath before upgrading. thanks!
[16:06] <EvaLuaTe> genii: ok, i'll try that one. thanks for the help so far =)
[16:06] <genii> EvaLuaTe: You're welcome
[16:06] <stranger_> hi from kyiv (:
[16:06] <cinex> gorgonzola: I'd dive right in and upgrade but then, I'm a moron who continually breaks everything.
[16:06] <dwidmann> KomiaPoika: libxine0-ffmpeg, I think
[16:06] <dwidmann> wait, 1 not 0
[16:07] <KomiaPoika> thx
[16:07] <KomiaPoika> µ
[16:07] <KomiaPoika> i found with cache search
[16:08] <KomiaPoika> it works
[16:16] <Torch> my downloaded beta cd doesn't really work and the beta page now gives me a 500.
[16:16] <Torch> anyone got an md5sum of kubuntu-9.04-beta-desktop-amd64.iso ?
[16:23] <genii> Torch: They might know in #ubuntu+1 (which is also #kubuntu+1 )
[16:25] <Torch> genii: thanks
[16:25] <basy> Hi, i want to use new SDD hardisk as swap in its full size. What exactly i need to do to create swap partition, use this partition as default swap, and delete old swap partition? Are there any tutorial, plz?
[16:25] <dwidmann> basy: run mkswap with the device name as an argument
[16:26] <dwidmann> basy: then, after, run swapon (with the device name as an argument here too)
[16:26] <dwidmann> basy: assuming all of that goes okay, you can then add it to the /etc/fstab
[16:27] <dwidmann> basy: SDD wouldn't be my choice for a swap though ... What with the limited number of write cycles and slowish write speeds ..
[16:27] <basy> dwidmann: so i dont need to run fdisk?
[16:29] <dwidmann> basy: right
[16:30] <bazhang> !nickspam > jtholmes
[16:30] <basy> dwidmann: thanks...
[16:31] <genii> bazhang: I think they are ping-ponging because both names are already registered and he/she have no other nicks specified to use in their client
[16:31] <bazhang> genii, aha; it was like 10 changes in two minutes :)
[16:31] <koperton> hi guys :)
[16:31] <genii> bazhang: True :)
[16:32] <dwidmann> hi
[16:38] <fjallagyldir> hej there
[16:38] <fjallagyldir> anyone heard about windriver?
[16:40] <genii> fjallagyldir: If you mean windriver.com website, yes. However, this is Kubuntu support and not Windows
[16:44] <znh> Hello people. I'm currently using Kubuntu's LiveCD.. yet It does not seem to have flash player support in konqueror. does someone know how to get flash player support? The end result I'm focusing at is playing Youtube video's.. I don't care how
[16:44] <Dragnslcr> !flash
[16:44] <fjallagyldir> hmm no genii there should be a linux driver called windriver to use dlls and infs for linux
[16:45] <SlimeyPete> fjallagyldir: there is such a thing for network cards. It's called ndiswrapper.
[16:45] <SlimeyPete> it uses windows inf files
[16:45] <genii> fjallagyldir: For network drivers there is ndiswrapper.
[16:45]  * genii slides SlimeyPete a coffee
[16:46] <genii> jtisme: Stop changing your name so much please
[16:48] <altrortla> #php
[16:49] <shock_day13> hello everyone
[16:50] <znh> hi shock
[16:50] <shock_day13> anyone here using the beta version of jaunty?
[16:50] <shock_day13> hey znh
[16:50] <fosco__> !jaunty
[16:50] <shock_day13> how r u?
[16:51] <Torch> shock_day13: just curious ... day 13 of what?
[16:51] <shock_day13> well it aint that mystical or anything
[16:52] <shock_day13> the day when i created this id was dated 13
[16:52] <shock_day13> so day 13
[16:52] <Torch> shock_day13: ah, i see.
[16:52] <shock_day13> and the pc had systemshock wallpaper
[16:52] <_Goat_> hey does anyone know how i can switch to xP? i have a disk just dont know how
[16:52] <shock_day13> so shock
[16:52] <_Goat_> any help would be awesome =]
[16:53] <shock_day13> hey goat you wanna switch to xp by removing kubuntu?
[16:53] <_Goat_> yep
[16:53] <_Goat_> i have kubuntu on my other pc
[16:53] <shock_day13> then you will need the bootable disk
[16:53] <_Goat_> hmm?
[16:54] <_Goat_> so its possible...
[16:54] <fjallagyldir> hmm the atheros ar5007g should also be supported by madwifi
[16:54] <fjallagyldir> any repos for that?
[16:54] <_Goat_> just dont know how thats the thing :X
[16:54] <fjallagyldir> ofcourse i know sourceforge
[16:54] <shock_day13> and in it you'll have to format the primary drive which you used to install linux cos an operating system can be installed in a primary partition
[16:54] <shock_day13> well download xp
[16:54] <shock_day13> and burn its image file
[16:54] <_Goat_> shock_day13 damnit sounds hard work
[16:54] <shock_day13> using k3b
[16:55] <_Goat_> :(
[16:55] <_Goat_> im screwed then
[16:55] <genii> !piracy
[16:55] <znh> I installed adobe-flashplugin deb ... restarted konqueror. yet still no Flash support. anyone?
[16:55] <shock_day13> well xp is a paint in the ***
[16:55] <shock_day13> sorry pain in the ***
[16:55] <_Goat_> lol
[16:55]  * genii sips his coffee
[16:55] <shock_day13> oh sorry ubottu
[16:55] <znh> genii: shock_day13 wasn't saying anything pirated or illegal. as people can download windows xp legally from microsoft's MSDN
[16:56] <Torch> znh: yeah, right ;-)
[16:56] <shock_day13> thnx fellows
[16:56] <znh> Torch: proof me wrong
[16:56] <genii> znh: It's borderline discussion. Also this isn't ##windows chanel
[16:56] <_Goat_> ............
[16:56] <Torch> znh: oh, i know that. i used to have an msdn subscription.
[16:56] <_Goat_> ugg
[16:56] <znh> lol, don't make an elephant out of this. im just saying... :-)
[16:56] <Torch> znh: people who have that usually don't go around asking about windows support in linux channels, though.
[16:57] <_Goat_> shock_day13
[16:57] <znh> hmm I like that argument
[16:57] <shock_day13> goat the best advise that i could give you is stick with kubuntu it's million times better
[16:57] <_Goat_> shock_day13 ok your right
[16:57] <fjallagyldir> damn some compile errors with actual madwifi version
[16:57] <_Goat_> but may i pm you real quick?
[16:57] <shock_day13> yup surely y not
[16:57] <_Goat_> Cause you may convert me to kubuntu. If you tell me something
[16:57] <_Goat_> ok cheers
[16:57] <znh> Torch: some might be though
[16:57] <Torch> fjallagyldir: madwifi used to be in restricted modules... isn't it there anymore?
[16:58] <znh> for example allot of students have msdn licenses.. but yet still chit chat at IRC for their support
[16:59] <cinex> _Goat_: if you duel boot xp after you have installed [k]ubuntu it will delete grub, which means reinstalling grub (which is easy)
[16:59] <vbgunz> reinstalling grub is preferably (not hard) Vs (which is easy)
[17:00] <vbgunz> (heh)
[17:00] <cinex> it's easy
[17:00] <vbgunz> cinex: tell that to someone who has never done it and needs to figure it out without grub on a boot
[17:00] <cinex> how it owuld handle having to discover xp while u do it is a different matter (i've never done it)
[17:02] <fjallagyldir> hmm Torch im not that deep into ubuntu pkg management therefor i dont know - and ask kindly *s*
[17:03] <cinex> lol
[17:03] <cinex> Torch: madwifi is easy to compile
[17:03] <fjallagyldir> not here cinex
[17:03] <cinex> where is 'here'
[17:04] <fjallagyldir> an implicit declaration error
[17:04] <cinex> u googled the error?
[17:04] <fjallagyldir> on a kubuntu 8.10
[17:04] <fjallagyldir> 2.6.27-11-generic
[17:04] <fjallagyldir> yes
[17:05] <fjallagyldir> they suggest to use ath9k module, but device not listet in iwconfig still
[17:05] <cinex> This may or may not help. I believe that 8.10 uses mac80211 instead of ieee80211.
[17:05] <cinex> And that 8.10 comes with ath9k (at least mine did) and maybe even ath5k (I blacklisted it in favor of ath9k)
[17:05] <cinex> If I have the history right first came madwifi then ath5k and now it's up to ath9k. So I think you're taking a step backwards there.
[17:05] <cinex> what is this ath9k ?
[17:05] <fjallagyldir> is module
[17:05] <cinex> do u need packet injection?
[17:06] <fjallagyldir> dont think so
[17:06] <cinex> then you could try ndiswrapper
[17:06] <fjallagyldir> and as far as i see it doensnt support the 5007 chipset
[17:07] <cinex> ndiswrapper it is then
[17:07] <fjallagyldir> is it in the reps?
[17:07] <cinex> yep but you will need cabextract and the windows driver
[17:08] <cinex> and uw ill need to blacklist the linux drivers
[17:08] <fjallagyldir> which shouldnt be the prob :-)
[17:08] <cinex> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/Ndiswrapper
[17:09] <fjallagyldir> but i would prefer a linux native version cause of performance reasons
[17:09] <cinex> no injection though so no speedy wepcracks
[17:09] <Torch> fjallagyldir: can you pastebin the compile error you get?
[17:10] <fjallagyldir> mom have to get it on my gentoo box
[17:10] <cinex> that guide might not be the best one.
[17:12] <fjallagyldir> Torch, plz the pastebin adr forgot it
[17:13] <Torch> http://paste.ubuntu.com/
[17:14] <Torch> fjallagyldir: what did you say you were on? intrepid? i have madwifi in restricted-modules on intrepid (not using it though)
[17:14] <fjallagyldir> http://paste.ubuntu.com/139086/
[17:14] <ubuntu_> hola
[17:14] <cinex> hi
[17:15] <fjallagyldir> Torch, im on a 8.10 kubuntu dont know the version name
[17:16] <Torch> fjallagyldir: yes, 8.10 == intrepid
[17:17] <Torch> fjallagyldir: can't you just install the restricted hardware module for your card?
[17:17] <Torch> fjallagyldir: from the madwifi trac it looks like they have quite some trouble with recent kernels
[17:18] <cinex> u could always go back a kernel
[17:18] <KomiaPoika> hi
[17:18] <KomiaPoika> in kubuntu 8.04 i can't get flash for firefox working. the package cant be downloaded and the archive wont install manually
[17:19] <cinex> KomiaPoika: get the .deb from the adobe website
[17:19] <fjallagyldir> if i would know the name Torch ...
[17:19] <fjallagyldir> as i said in gentoo all is a little bit different
[17:20] <Torch> fjallagyldir: wait... i thought we were on kubuntu 8.10?
[17:22] <KomiaPoika> cinex: it wont work on amd64
[17:23] <asm`> hi
[17:23] <asm`> i have a question
[17:23] <fjallagyldir> yes we are
[17:23] <cinex> KomiaPoika: I don't know then.
[17:23] <asm`> im running kubuntu in Sun XVM and the display settings are just terrible. it is really small and i only have 2 screen size options.. is Vmware any better?
[17:23] <fjallagyldir> but manly im using gentoo, therefor im not that trainied in kubuntu
[17:24] <lovre> can i apply skins to amarok2?
[17:24] <genii> KomiaPoika: You can always try http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer10.html
[17:24] <Torch> fjallagyldir: okay, but you are used to doing things in a shell?
[17:24] <fjallagyldir> lol of course
[17:24] <asm`> ?
[17:25] <fjallagyldir> most of the things i do in shell
[17:25] <Torch> asm`: you need to install the guest additions in virtualbox
[17:25] <fjallagyldir> bash
[17:25] <asm`> torch
[17:25] <asm`> I did?
[17:25] <asm`>  <asm`> im running kubuntu in Sun XVM
[17:26] <holyscott> Did amarok lose the mini player in version 2.0?
[17:26] <Torch> fjallagyldir: use sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules to get the madwifi
[17:26] <Torch> fjallagyldir: modprobe ath_hal and modprobe ath_pci
[17:26] <Torch> fjallagyldir: see what dmesg says
[17:27] <fjallagyldir> they r already in use
[17:27] <Torch> fjallagyldir: hmm. so, whats in dmesg about them?
[17:27] <Torch> fjallagyldir: also, do you get the interfaces in ifconfig?
[17:28] <Torch> asm`: did you install the guest extensions from the virtualbox menu?
[17:28] <fjallagyldir> neither in ifconfig nor iwconfig
[17:29] <fjallagyldir> dmesg is ok
[17:29] <fjallagyldir> sry but have to leave now
[17:29] <jtheuer> hi, is jaunty using lilo by default?
[17:29] <Pici> jtheuer: Please join #ubuntu+1 for Jaunty/9.04 support/discussion.
[17:29] <Torch> jtheuer: no way.
[17:29] <fjallagyldir> thanks anyway sofar Torch
[17:29] <Torch> fjallagyldir: np
[17:30] <jtheuer> Torch: I followed the kubuntu beta upgrade and I got a lilo config message
[17:30] <Pici> jtheuer: Jaunty support is offtopic for this channel. Please seek support in #ubuntu+1
[17:31] <jameshicks212121> can anyone tell me why I cannot ping google??  relevant stuff:   http://pastebin.com/d5bb24805
[17:33] <sg> How is it is this talk about kubuntu
[17:33] <sg> Are someone here?
[17:33] <sg> My first time here :-)
[17:34] <_Goat_> hi
[17:34] <Torch> sg: welcome. this is indeed the kubuntu channel.
[17:34] <snydererios> then hello and welcom sg
[17:34] <jameshicks212121> its about time, we've been waiting.
[17:34] <sg> OOO thanks a lot
[17:34] <sg> so glad to meet someone using kubuntu
[17:34] <Torch> jameshicks212121: can you telnet it? can you ping other hosts?
[17:34] <Torch> jameshicks212121: are you running nscd?
[17:34] <jameshicks212121> Torch: yes
[17:34] <KomiaPoika> genii: now i installed flahsplayer with amd64 .so manually, but firefox doesnt see it
[17:35] <jameshicks212121> Torch: I dont think so. (nscd).
[17:35] <KomiaPoika> cinex
[17:35] <Torch> jameshicks212121: you can indeed ping other hosts, like yahoo.com?
[17:35] <genii> jameshicks212121: Interesting. Your route doesn't have any default. like:  default         192.168.1.1     0.0.0.0         UG    100    0        0 eth6    or so
[17:36] <Laruft_> is it possible to configure resolution/depth of a virtual desktop?
[17:36] <Torch> genii: it does.
[17:36] <sg> You feel a bit alone using this distro connecting via e-mail
[17:36] <Laruft_> I mean of a desktop in linux,  i have 4 desktops, i'd like one to be lower res, but upscaled
[17:36] <Torch> Laruft_: X11 cannot do that AFAIK. you could run separate X11 ervers.
[17:37] <jameshicks212121> genii: Line 19 in pastebin???
[17:37] <Torch> jameshicks212121: your default route looks ok to me
[17:38] <jameshicks212121> Torch: I don't understand how nslookup can work but ping can't resolve the host.
[17:38] <Torch> jameshicks212121: i've seen that before.
[17:38] <jameshicks212121> Torch: apt-get update doesn't work either. I don't really care about the ping.....
[17:39] <Torch> jameshicks212121: it's not often that happens, but it can indeed happen.
[17:39] <Torch> jameshicks212121: what does your /etc/hosts look like?
[17:39] <sg> I guess I'm a typical kubuntu newbiee no wireless network
[17:40] <sg> And few more problems solved a time to time
[17:40] <jameshicks212121> Torch: updated pastebin http://pastebin.com/d29649d97
[17:41] <snydererios> sg do you know, which wlan-chip your pc/laptop uses?
[17:41] <genii> jameshicks212121: line 19 reads: 0.0.0.0         192.168.1.1     0.0.0.0         UG    0      0        0 eth6    and not for instance like on my box: default         192.168.1.1     0.0.0.0         UG    100    0        0 eth0    (would be eth6 in your case)
[17:42] <Torch> genii: it's still a valid default route
[17:42] <holyscott> any problems found with the new beta since release?
[17:42] <jameshicks212121> genii: I did add the route by hand is that why it loooks different?
[17:42] <genii> jameshicks212121: Yes, likely
[17:42] <Torch> jameshicks212121: mine looks the same and comes from DHCP
[17:43] <sg> Well I have another bigger problem now, like when I try to read from the deskmenu on the bottom all the menus come up empty
[17:43] <Torch> jameshicks212121: /etc/hosts looks okay. i'd remove the 127.0.1.1 line, however
[17:44] <sg> snydereios have you seen this problem before
[17:44] <sg> ??
[17:44] <genii> KomiaPoika: Did you put the .so file it un-tarred into /usr/lib/firefox/plugins/       ?
[17:44] <sg> It goes on because when I use Amrok all the menus come up empty allso :-/
[17:45] <jameshicks212121> Torch: OK got rid of it. problem persists.
[17:45] <Torch> jameshicks212121: thought so ;-)
[17:45] <sg> snydereios And using this IRC window all the menus are empty and on my right I have pictures of users but no names are readable
[17:46] <KomiaPoika> genii: i have now
[17:46] <sg> Thougt they blink when people goes of the server :-)
[17:47] <genii> KomiaPoika: So restart firefox. Then put in url bar:      about:plugins               and see if it shows there
[17:47] <jsmith3> anyone know a way to look at kubuntu log files? I've formatted twice already with the same problem that happens a couple weeks into use: after logging in through kdm, the screen goes black and restarts back to kdm, works fine on root though
[17:47] <Torch> jameshicks212121: again, you _can_ telnet google? but apt-get doesn't work?
[17:47] <jameshicks212121> Torch: telnet: could not resolve google.com/telnet: Name or service not known
[17:47] <Torch> jameshicks212121: ah, ok.
[17:48] <Torch> jameshicks212121: and yahoo.com or other external hosts?
[17:48] <genii> jsmith3: I can tell by those symptoms already that you need to chown all the stuff in the users home directory back their name
[17:48] <jameshicks212121> Torch: only thing that seems to resolve names is nslookup.
[17:48] <Torch> jameshicks212121: nslookup is obsolete for years now. use dig and host
[17:49] <jameshicks212121> Torch: sorry, dig works OK too.
[17:49] <Torch> jameshicks212121: ok
[17:49] <jsmith3> genii: ill try that
[17:49] <genii> jsmith3: This means all the hidden dot-files too
[17:49] <jsmith3> yeah, ill use the -R switch
[17:49] <jameshicks212121> Torch: telnet to yahoo.com gave same results as google.com
[17:50] <Torch> jameshicks212121: so in conclusion: no external resolving. but dig works.
[17:50] <jameshicks212121> Torch: yes and driving me crazy.... This should be easy...  :(
[17:51] <Torch> jameshicks212121: add another nameserver to /etc/resolve.conf. just to see what happens.
[17:53] <jameshicks212121> Torch: I added the two OpenDNS servers to top of resolv.conf, I can ping both servers by IP, and problem persists.
[17:54] <Athunye> I cannot visualize kubuntu.org in opera. The content is not displayed.
[17:55] <Torch> Athunye: same here. can't use another browser?
[17:55] <Torch> jameshicks212121: hmm, hmm, hmm.
[17:55] <Athunye> Yes. Firefox. But I like opera more :D
[17:56] <Torch> Athunye: no doubt this should be fixed... maybe you can file a bug report?
[17:56] <Athunye> Sure.
[17:56] <|PaperTiger|> How do I changed to a specific graphics driver I've installed?
[17:56] <|PaperTiger|> I know it's xorg.*something* but what do I have to do to get there?
[17:57] <Athunye> Torch: I will as soon I get some "free" time.
[17:57] <Torch> |PaperTiger|: its in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[17:57] <Torch> |PaperTiger|: if you're not familiar with using a shell, don't go there ;-)
[17:57] <|PaperTiger|> Torch, thank you
[17:57] <Athunye> |PaperTiger|: backup the file, first.
[17:58] <|PaperTiger|> Torch,, I've been told about doing it before, as I had problems, so I sort of know
[17:58] <Torch> |PaperTiger|: Athunye is right, make a backup.
[17:58] <|PaperTiger|> Torch, I know it's in the decice section and I change it to the name of the driver I wish to use. And I shall
[17:58] <|PaperTiger|> Athunye, thanks
[17:59] <Torch> |PaperTiger|: if you're just going to replace Driver "nv" by Driver "nvidia" or something, that shouldn't be too hard, yes.
[17:59] <|PaperTiger|> It's ATi
[17:59] <Torch> |PaperTiger|: well, don't use DRiver "nvidia", then ;-)
[17:59]  * Torch goes feeding the cats.
[17:59] <|PaperTiger|> Torch, nope :P It should be going from fglrx to radeonhd
[18:00]  * jameshicks212121 is going to burn one and ponder his problem some more......
[18:01] <mreznik> just a small question
[18:01] <|PaperTiger|> Torch, as a backup, is copying the file to Documents enough?
[18:01] <mreznik> i have a MSI 662v-m is not working the video on Kubuntu
[18:02] <|PaperTiger|> Torch, then I believe I have to log out afterward, correct?
[18:06] <Torch> |PaperTiger|: copy it anywhere to your home folder, thats fine
[18:06] <Torch> |PaperTiger|: you need to restart X. log out might not be enough
[18:06] <Torch> |PaperTiger|: ctrl+alt+backspace used to do that, but ubuntu might be blocking that
[18:07] <Torch> |PaperTiger|: if that doesn't do anything, reboot.
[18:07] <|PaperTiger|> Torch, okay. How do I actually edit it? I don't think the propaitry (excuse spelling) driver is installed.. :S
[18:07] <Torch> |PaperTiger|: edit what? xorg.conf?
[18:08] <|PaperTiger|> Yes, it opens with Kate, but I don't think the bit I need to edit is there
[18:08] <Torch> jameshicks212121: this sounds like something complicated. i don't think we'll find a solution here for your problem. you might want to consider the forums.
[18:09] <Torch> |PaperTiger|: hmm, you want to go from fglrx to radeonhd, but there's no Driver "fglrx" in there?
[18:09] <|PaperTiger|> No
[18:09] <Torch> |PaperTiger|: can you pastebin the file?
[18:10] <|PaperTiger|> It won't let me activate the proprietary FGLRX driver
[18:10] <|PaperTiger|> Damnit, I have to go to work now...
[18:10] <|PaperTiger|> Will you still be on here at just gone 8, Torch?
[18:10] <jameshicks212121> Torch: Thanks for the effort.
[18:10] <Torch> |PaperTiger|: no, i'll have to leave soon
[18:10] <Torch> jameshicks212121: np. sorry we didn't find it, though.
[18:10] <|PaperTiger|> Okay, Torch, not to worry, I'll ask someone else. Thanks for the help though.
[18:11] <|PaperTiger|> Much appreciated.
[18:11] <Torch> |PaperTiger|: you're welcome. good luck.
[18:11] <dave_> Hi guys , who  knows why when i install programs for gnome (when i have kde 4.1) the system is change to gnome  ;/
[18:11] <cinex> dave_: do u mean when you boot it up or when you get the log in screen  ?
[18:12] <dave_> yep
[18:12] <cinex> 1 or both?
[18:12] <dave_> but before i install some gnome programs
[18:12] <dave_> and system is changing for gnome,, like in ubuntu
[18:12] <cinex> ok. to get the kde login screen back you could try: sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm
[18:13] <cinex> and to get the kubuntu boot splash back you could use usplash (with: sudo apt-get install usplash usplash-themes
[18:13] <cinex> )
[18:13] <dave_> tnx :) if i will make the same mistake i will try it
[18:13] <cinex> ill brb
[18:13] <_Goat_> cinex is going to be right back.
[18:14] <dave_> because i had that situation twice and i was tired of reformating the kubuntu
[18:14] <dave_> (sorry of my english)
[18:14] <Torch> dave_: reinstalling usually isn't really such a great idea.
[18:14] <dave_> i know
[18:14] <Torch> dave_: because you won't learn anything that way and make the same mistake again.
[18:15] <dave_> but i couldn't do that in other way
[18:15] <Advil_> hello: kde 4 b!tched on me when installing some updates today - I was running a beta of 4.2 at the time... I can't load kde right now so I'm wanting to run a "full upgrade" from apt-get.  Can someone please give me the command line to perform an upgrade on kde 4.2?  I think I have the correct repositories.
[18:16] <Torch> Advil_: if you have kde 4.2 beta and the right repos, apt-get (or adept or whatever) should just pull the updates.
[18:17] <mreznik> how to find drivers for a MSI 662m-v for linux video card
[18:18] <cinex> nvidia?
[18:19] <Advil_> Torch: thanks - I must not be set then.  apt-get is showing me nothing.  when I try to startx (x doesn't start at all), I get: no /home/me/.xsession file, no /home/me/.Xsession file, no session managers, no window managers, and no terminal emulators found; aborting"  lol, nice huh?
[18:19] <_Goat_> Advil_ is laughing out loud.
[18:19] <mreznik> yes nvidia
[18:19] <cinex> you can, ususally, get them from the kmenu > system > hardware drivers application.
[18:19] <Advil_> _Goat_, that's annoying
[18:19] <cinex> if that's not possible nvidia will have a driver on its website.
[18:19] <mreznik> ok
[18:20] <mreznik> is because i searched on internet i dont found the drivers just for windows
[18:20] <Torch> Advil_: sounds bad.
[18:20]  * Torch needs to go, however.
[18:20] <Torch> cya
[18:21] <cinex> mreznik: http://www.nvidia.com/Download/index.aspx?lang=en-us
[18:21] <cinex> mreznik: try to get the ubuntu ones from the hardware drivers application though
[18:25] <Advil_> can anyone tell me how to completely remove KDE from the command line
[18:26] <cinex> no
[18:26] <cinex> remove the kde-base etc, and then remove all the apps?
[18:26] <cinex> Advil_: are u low on space?
[18:26] <mreznik> thanks cinex
[18:26] <mreznik> see yah
[18:26] <Advil_> kde wont' start.  I'd like to remove and re-add
[18:26] <iwantfool> KDE 4 sucks
[18:27] <oobe> Advil_, just remove your .kde folder
[18:27] <oobe> it contains your kde settings
[18:27] <cinex> Advil_: have you messed with the /tmp directory/partition/drive?
[18:27] <dave_> Hi, can some one help me with a graphic problems on laptop? (sis mirage )
[18:27] <oobe> mv .kde .kde.old then ctl alt backspace
[18:28] <cinex> Advil_: inm my experience the /tmp permissions are the usual suspect when kde wont start
[18:28] <Advil_> I had a beta of kde 4.2 installed, after some updates today, including latest kernel, kde now won't start.  I have no X-windows session at all
[18:28] <Advil_> reboots bring me to command line
[18:28] <Sliphead> Hiya, I think my vga driver is not installed, how should I check?
[18:28] <Advil_> startx gives me errors that I've mentioned above.
[18:28] <cinex> Advil_: try sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[18:28] <cinex> see if that helps
[18:29] <Advil_> ok
[18:29] <cinex> probably wont, but it might install something that is missing.
[18:29] <cinex> u could also try reconfiguring your graphics driver
[18:29] <oobe> sounds like its your x configuration not kde
[18:29] <cinex> depending on what settings the xorg.conf has
[18:30] <oobe> cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.old
[18:30] <Advil_> cinex, how do I force dependencies on that command line?
[18:30] <oobe> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xorg
[18:31] <cinex> how do u mean Advil_ what dependancys do u need and for what?
[18:31] <Advil_> it lists pages of package dependancies;
[18:32] <cinex> for a .deb?
[18:32] <Advil_> "Since you only requested a single operation it is extremely likely that the package is simply not installable and a bug report against the package should be filed.
[18:33] <Advil_> then it lists pages of unmet dependencies
[18:33] <cinex> using apt-get?
[18:33] <Advil_> yes
[18:33] <cinex> i would try (porbably vainly) sudo apt-get install blah > list
[18:33] <cinex> then edit the file list so u can install the dependancys
[18:33] <cinex> sudo apt-get install `cat list`
[18:34] <cinex> not guaranteed to work though.
[18:34] <Advil_> should apt-get allow you to pull dependencies automatically?
[18:34] <cinex> it should install them anyway
[18:34] <cinex> Advil_: it should offer to download them for you.
[18:34] <Advil_> hmm
[18:34] <cinex> unless you need to add repositorys to the list (it should inform you of that too)
[18:35] <cinex> Advil_: have you done something to break it ?
[18:35] <cinex> or has it always been this way ?
[18:37] <Advil_> just today it broke -- I installed about 86 updates available, including the new kernel
[18:37] <Advil_> after rebooting, X failed and bounced me to command line
[18:37] <cinex> Advil_: try dropping back to the old kernel yet?
[18:38] <Advil_> I think I removed it... lol  I recently did an "autoremove"
[18:38] <cinex> 1 sec
[18:39] <cinex> meh i can't remeber where kernels are kept
[18:39] <oobe> /boot
[18:39] <cinex> i was gonna say /lib/modules
[18:40] <cinex> /boot
[18:40] <cinex> ls /boot
[18:40] <leafw> how do we get java applets to work on 64-bit firefox?
[18:41] <Advil_> my error when trying to startx is;  "no /home/me/.xsession file, no /home/me/.Xsession file, no session managers, and no terminal emulators found; aborting"
[18:41] <cinex> Advil_: your home directory still there?
[18:42] <Advil_> sheesh, I didn't even check...
[18:42] <Advil_> yes, still there
[18:42] <cinex> and can you get sudo startx to work ?
[18:43] <Advil_> oh, I'm not running that with sudo...  just startx.  lemme try
[18:43] <Advil_> same errors
[18:43] <genii> sudo startx will royally screw up any permissions anyhow
[18:44] <cinex> lete /home/admin/.Xauthority before running "startx" again.
[18:44] <cinex> permissions can be fixed with find
[18:44] <Advil_> I'm not worried about permissions
[18:45] <Advil_> cinex, what's that command?
[18:45] <cinex> rm ~/.Xauthority
[18:45] <cinex> for a guess
[18:45] <cinex> u might have to tab it
[18:45] <Advil_> and by "admin", you mean my username?
[18:45] <cinex> admin?
 lete /home/admin/.Xauthority before running "startx" again.
[18:46] <cinex> ya, your username
[18:47] <Advil_> you want me to remove /.Xauthority?
[18:47] <Advil_> in my dir?
[18:47] <cinex> ~/.Xauthority
[18:47] <cinex> dont forget the squiggle
[18:48] <Advil_> ya, just making sure - it's asking me...
[18:48] <KomiaPoika> on 8.04 fresh install, updated with medibuntu, both google earth from packages and google earth5 from website segfault. why?
[18:48] <KomiaPoika> i have amd64 with nvidia driver and lib32 enabled
[18:49] <Advil_> k, that's gone
[18:49] <cinex> try startx again
[18:49] <KomiaPoika> ok
[18:50] <KomiaPoika> oh, not me
[18:50] <KomiaPoika> ill try reinstall nvidia
[18:51] <Advil_> same errors - no session manager, window manager, terminal emulators, no /.xsession, /.Xsession files
[18:51] <cinex> meh, id install gnome or reinstall
[18:51] <Advil_> lol, that's what I'm trying to do -- reinstall KDE, that is
[18:51] <Advil_> you think KDE isn't the problem
[18:52] <cinex> no, i think if your lucky installing ubuntu-desktop will reconfigure what's broke lol
[18:52] <cinex> or get an older kernel running
[18:52] <cinex> cat /boot/grub/menu.lst
[18:52] <cinex> how many kernels are listed at the bottom ?
[18:54] <Advil_> I've got 2.6.24-9, 11, 14, 16 listed
[18:54] <cinex> reboot and run one ? u know how ?
[18:55] <Advil_> I'll try - I don't think it's a kernel issue - some other update screwed this.
[18:55] <cinex> oh
[18:55] <Advil_> I'd like to remove kde/xwindows complete and try to reinstall.  maybe not worth the hassle
[18:55] <cinex> hmmm
[18:56] <Advil_> I'm in 2.6.24-16 now
[18:56] <cinex> advil it would be easier to just reinstall the whole OS, from a usb pen it only take 15 misn
[18:56] <cinex> mins
[18:56] <Advil_> not on this slow laptop...
[18:57] <cinex> lots of posts abhout the error message but no fix
[18:57] <Advil_> sorry, I'm running 2.6.24-14 right now
[18:57] <cinex> is it working?
[18:57] <Advil_> no
[18:57] <linuksamiko> hello I've got some bugs I found in the beta. Where can I post them?
[18:59] <cinex> if your laptop is slow xubuntu might speed it (btw)
[18:59] <Advil_> http://forum.kde.org/just-upgrade-and-kde4-is-broken-t-38105.html
[18:59] <Advil_> this is what's happening to me
[19:00] <cinex> buggered then ?
[19:00] <cinex> install kde3?
[19:00] <cinex> oh wwait
[19:00] <cinex> erm
[19:00] <Advil_> I like to fix things.. hehe  I'm trying to get out of the Windows mind-set of "reinstall it!"
[19:01] <cinex>  ls /var/cache/apt/archives/
[19:01] <cinex> that should have copys of everything you installed
[19:01] <cinex> maybe (if your willing to fry it to death) sudo dpkg -r /var/cache/apt/archives/*
[19:02] <Sliphead> How do I find out my gfx card's memory?
[19:02] <cinex> will get rid of al ot of it so u can reinstall what u 'hack out'
[19:03] <cinex> but im not saying it a good idea and take no responsibilty for it.
[19:03] <emacspy> Hello, I have just bought a used laptop and want to put linux on it. The problem is the BIOS is passworded. Its a newer laptop so cmos batt cannot be taken out probably. Im afraid to try any killcmos type app. I am using data recovery now to maybe link a password as it boots to windows. Is there any easy fix to get into the BIOS?
[19:03] <dave_> in the laptop you have that small battery
[19:03] <cinex> emacspy have you googled around for default passwordS?
[19:03] <emacspy> cinex: yes , and its a phoenix bios
[19:03] <dave_> take it out for few seconds and the memory on smos will be resrad
[19:04] <Advil_> emacspy, is that a toshiba?
[19:04] <Advil_> they are HARD to bypass BIOS passwords.
[19:04] <cinex> emacspy: http://www.ozzu.com/hardware/laptop-locked-with-password-bios-setup-t68869.html
[19:04] <pteague> how do i change the size at which kde starts complaining about there not being enough space on the drive?
[19:05] <cinex> pteague: get a bigger drive (BOOM BOOM)
[19:05] <emacspy> Advil_: its a panasonic
[19:05] <Advil_> I successfully did mine, but it invloved basically stripping it apart completely to the motherboard, where there were to BIOS contacts that had to be shorted.
[19:06] <pteague> cinex: that's  not useful & that's not the problem... i still have about 20G left & i'm moving stuff over to my file server... however, why is it complaining at 20G?
[19:06] <genii> emacspy: Can it boot from a floppy? You can always flash the bios with a new or same version from a bootdisk and see if it all goes to defaults
[19:07] <KomiaPoika> ok, i fixed my google earth by reinstalling nvidia
[19:07] <pteague> & konqueror complaining about the disk space is the only new different thing that it did which i'm guessing caused konqueror to crash
[19:07] <emacspy> genii: it does not contain a floppy or cdrom and i think it has the newest bios
[19:08] <ubuntu__> hello all
[19:08] <dwidmann> hmm, that's better now ... qt 4.5 and kde 4.2.2(well, will be in a week anyway)...
[19:09] <ubuntu__> iam new here so any one can help me about how can i chat here
[19:09] <genii> emacspy: Sometimes hardware changes will cause the bios to want to load also. Maybe yank a stick of ram out and see if it needs to load into bios to confirm the hardware change or so
[19:10] <emacspy> genii: okay ill try that
[19:10] <emacspy> ty
[19:10] <dwidmann> Yes, that's always a lovely pain ... yank a stick of ram or put one in, and you get to spend 5 minutes while it memtests
[19:10]  * dwidmann rolls eyes
[19:11] <genii> dwidmann: I used t get into a lot of machines like Compaqs like that
[19:12] <dwidmann> genii: my laptop did that when I upgraded it, it must have taken at least 5 minutes (4gb of ram)
[19:14] <Carutsu> !intel
[19:15] <Carutsu> I updated to 9.04 and it seems I broke something because all graphics releated tasks are slow, I have an intel 945 card..
[19:16] <Carutsu> also from time to time i get artifacts in my windows (part of other windows or black areas)
[19:16] <dwidmann> Carutsu: I've heard lots of complaints about Jaunty and graphics ... maybe that's among them
[19:17] <dingding> hello
[19:17] <Carutsu> dwidmann: it's something kubuntu-releated since I was using 4.2.1 from ppa and everything was fine
[19:17] <dingding> anyone have problems with skype?
[19:17] <ubuntu__> hi
[19:17] <Carutsu> anyway I forgot that I should go to ubuntu+1 for this distribution
[19:17] <dingding> i cant call others
[19:18] <dingding> its say that is an audio problem
[19:18] <dingding> but others can call me
[19:18] <Advil_> I'm attempting to install Gnome right now to at least get into a desktop
[19:19] <dingding> advil:what is your problem
[19:21] <Advil_> X-windows / KDE won't start.  Giving me errors after an update today
[19:22] <dingding> Advil_:install gnome
[19:22] <Advil_> dingding, isn't that what I just said I'm doing?  hehe
[19:23] <dingding> Advil_:how much do you have to wait do dowmload it?
[19:23] <Advil_> who knows.  it's 15% done now
[19:24] <Advil_> seem to be averaging only 55 kb/s
[19:24] <dingding> Advil_ : in how much time got to 15%
[19:24] <Advil_> 5 minutes?
[19:24] <dingding> cool
[19:24] <dingding> in half an hour you will get gnome
[19:25] <Advil_> I'm not hopeful to be honest.  I don't think Gnome will work either
[19:25] <dingding> Advil_:pray that you wount get an error installing gnome
[19:25] <Advil_> something else seems to be screwed here as well
[19:25] <dwidmann> Advil_: if it's X giving the errors and not KDE, then gnome won't work either, so which was it?
[19:25] <dingding> Advil_: why not try ubuntu?
[19:26] <Advil_> 'cause I like KDE better
[19:26] <Advil_> ?
[19:26] <genii> Advil_: dwidmann is on the right track. If it's an underlying X issue, what desktop you go to won't make any difference
[19:26] <dingding> dwidmann: he made an update so x was not affected
[19:27] <dingding> Advil_: gnome is better for me kde plasma crashes every time
[19:27] <Advil_> genii, I know... I get the grey X screen like from 15 years ago, and this error msg
[19:27] <Advil_> no Xsession:unable to start Xsession -no "/home/gabo/.xsession" file, no session managers, no window managers, and no terminal emulators found
[19:28] <Advil_> gabo - is not me... just a c&p
[19:28] <genii> Advil_: Sounds like it's loading the default wm when there isn't one specified (twm or such)
[19:29] <dingding> Advil_: man that serious ,you should reinstall the system
[19:29] <Advil_> genii, any idea's on how to get one then?
[19:29] <Advil_> dingding; lol yeah, I've been told that
[19:30] <dingding> Advil_: how do you talk to us if no x exists?
[19:30] <Advil_> I'm on Windows right now
[19:30] <dingding> ohh
[19:30] <genii> Advil_: Well, tedious, but maybe to try something like   sudo apt-get install --reinstall kubuntu-desktop
[19:31] <genii> Advil_: If you make a new user does X load OK for them, or not?
[19:31] <Advil_> genii, I wasn't aware of the --reinstall option.  I was looking for that earlier.  darn
[19:31] <Advil_> I haven't tried a new user -- how to do that from command line?
[19:31] <dwidmann> Advil_: sudo adduser
[19:31] <genii> Advil_: sudo adduser newusername
[19:32] <genii> dwidmann: Tie!
[19:32]  * genii sips
[19:32] <dwidmann> genii: hee hee
[19:32] <dwidmann> If I wasn't lagging 3 seconds maybe it wouldn't have been a tie :(
[19:32] <dwidmann> (I'm always lagging a lot ... wish I could get a better internet connection 'round here)
[19:32] <Advil_> no joy - same error
[19:33] <dwidmann> advil, want the command to reinstall everything you've got installed?
[19:33] <Advil_> something's wrong with X
[19:33] <genii> Advil_: OK, so it doesn't seem then to be a permissions in the home dir type of thing. I'd give the kubuntu-desktop reinstall a whirl
[19:33] <dingding> Advil_:you probably should reinstall
[19:34] <ikonia> dingding: why should he re-install ?
[19:34] <dingding> ikonia:what do you mean ?
[19:34] <ikonia> dingding: you just said a user should re-install ?
[19:34] <dwidmann> sudo apt-get install --reinstall $(dpkg --list | grep ^ii.* | cut -d ' ' -f 3 | tr '\n' ' ')
[19:35] <dingding> ikonia: he made a bad update and his X is dead
[19:35] <Advil_> ikonia, he means reinstall the whole kubuntu, genii means reinstall kubuntu-desktop
[19:35] <ikonia> Advil_: yes - reinstralling kubuntu is not the answer
[19:35] <ikonia> hence why I'm asking why someone has just been told to re-install
[19:36] <Advil_> dwidmann, that looks complicated.  What does that command do?
[19:36] <dwidmann> command mentioned above will reinstall everything that's installed :)
[19:36] <dingding> Advil_: try what genii says but if does not work your only choice
[19:36] <ikonia> dingding: no it's not
[19:36] <Advil_> dwidmann, but if something is missing, I would be in the same boat, no?
[19:37] <ikonia> telling someone to re-install the OS to fix X11 is really a last resort - what else have you tried to fix it ?
[19:37] <dingding> ikonia:what it`s not?
[19:37] <dwidmann> Advil_: maybe so
[19:37] <genii> Advil_: dwidmann's command will get a list of your currently installed packages and then reinstall them again
[19:37] <Advil_> i'm 51% done gnome
[19:37] <ikonia> dingding: to fix an X server - reinstalling the OS without ANY form of debugging is not an answer
[19:38] <dwidmann> I've a better idea though, I think.
[19:38] <Advil_> ikonia, it's a quick "fix". lol
[19:38] <dwidmann> Advil_: pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[19:38] <dingding> ikonia:it is a solution if that is the only choice
[19:38] <ikonia> dingding: how is it his only choice - what else have you tried
[19:39] <dingding> ikonia:never mind
[19:39] <ikonia> dingding: no - that is not the answer
[19:39] <Advil_> ikonia, I haven't done much other than trying to get apt-get to update, upgrade, install kubuntu-dektop. This morning after a ton of updates including kernel, i'm stuck in the command line
[19:39] <dingding> ikonia: hey you want to cut off my head for that
[19:39] <ikonia> dingding: if you don't know how to fix something - or don't know how to debug or progress it - don't offer advice like "re-install the OS" - you have skated on thin ice
[19:39] <dingding> ?
[19:39] <dwidmann> ikonia: it can be an answer if it worked previously and having it working is time sensitive
[19:40] <dingding> ikonia:what do you mean with-you have skated on thin ice
[19:40] <ikonia> dwidmann: have you tried anything ? have you stated it's time sensative
[19:40] <dwidmann> We're not talking about me here, but I've run into situations fitting what I just said before.
[19:41] <Advil_> settle down fella's, this isn't a huge deal.  I'd rather get it working than reinstall the whole system, but it's not a big deal.  It's a second system for me
[19:41] <topyli> reinstalling is almost never needed. better to fix the existing system
[19:41] <ikonia> dingding: I'll make this clear - if you don't know the answer or how to progress it - dont offer people help
[19:41] <ikonia> dingding: telling someone to re-install the OS blindly with no debugging or knowledge of the problem is not advice to be given out
[19:42] <dwidmann> topyli: it can be needed if there are *cough cough*problemswithupdatedpackages*cough cough*
[19:42] <dingding> ikonia:what is wrong with you ,you are ready to shoot me for nothing
[19:42] <genii> Advil_: It's usually more informative and educational when a problem can be diagnosed and repaired intstead of side-stepping the entire "why is it actually happening" issue. But a lot of users would often rather give up and start over.
[19:42] <topyli> dwidmann: perhaps, when you have strange packages in your system
[19:42] <Advil_> genii, I agree -- which is why I'm here
[19:43] <dwidmann> things like wanting to print, very strange indeed :P
[19:43] <ikonia> Advil_: do you want to exaplin the problem a little and we can have a better look at it
[19:43] <topyli> "reboot. if that doesn't work, reinstall." i think  i heard that when i was using dos and windows pc's in the late 80s
[19:43] <dwidmann> (old problem, nevermind that dead horse)
[19:44] <Advil_> ikonia, basically I installed about 86 updates this morning including the newest kernel
[19:44] <ikonia> Advil_: which new kernel  ?
[19:45] <Advil_> upon reboot, it brings me to command line.  When I startx it gives me these errors
[19:45] <Advil_> no Xsession:unable to start Xsession -no "/home/gabo/.xsession" file, no session managers, no window managers, and no terminal emulators found
[19:45] <Advil_> I think the kernel was 2.6.24-16
[19:45] <ikonia> Advil_: this is an 8.04 install ?
[19:47] <Advil_> although I'm running 2.6.24-14 now
[19:47] <Advil_> 8.10
[19:48] <ikonia> Advil_: you sure thats 8.10 ?
[19:48] <ikonia> Advil_: 8.10 should have a 2.6.27 kernel
[19:49] <ikonia> Advil_: check with lsb_release -a what version you've got
[19:49] <Advil_> let me check
[19:49] <ikonia> Advil_: could be a bit messy if not
[19:49] <Advil_> hmmm... screwy:
[19:49] <Advil_> Distributor ID" Ubuntu
[19:49] <ikonia> Advil_: thats fine - what else does it say
[19:50] <Advil_> Desc: Ubuntu 8.10, relase 8.10 intrepid
[19:50] <Advil_> 2.6.27-14 is the kernel I'm using now
[19:50] <Advil_> not 24...
[19:51] <ikonia> Advil_: ok - thats better, that makes more sense
[19:51] <ikonia> Advil_: can you check if you have the propsed repo enabled ?
[19:51] <ikonia> Advil_: this could be the root of the problem as I'm only saying 2.6.27-11 as latest
[19:51] <ikonia> !info linux-kernel
[19:51] <ikonia> !info linux-image
[19:52] <ikonia> Advil_: do you know how to check for the proposed repo ?
[19:52] <Advil_> no, sorry
[19:53] <dwidmann> Advil_: what does apt-cache policy linux-image say for you?
[19:53] <Advil_> other info about this: i was using a beta 4.2 kde
[19:54] <ikonia> Advil_: no problem - check out dwidmanns command, or look in /etc/apt/sources.list for the proposed repo - see if it's enabled
[19:55] <Advil_> I have proposed/main packages 2.6.27.11.14 0
[19:55] <ikonia> ahhhh
[19:55] <ikonia> proposed, Advil_ the first thing I'd suggest is removing that
[19:56] <Advil_> alright -- I think I had to add that to get the beta KDE a while ago?
[19:56] <ikonia> Advil_: ahhh possibly yes
[19:56] <ikonia> Advil_: that would make sense
[19:57] <dwidmann> Advil_: keeping proprosed enabled is generally a bad idea
[19:57] <ikonia> Advil_: the proposed repo's are not always stable and can break things (seen it many times)
[19:57] <Advil_> as I'm finding. hehe
[19:57] <ikonia> Advil_: just so you understand why I'm suggesting removing it
[19:58] <dwidmann> Advil_: if you were the one with the X problem earlier, maybe reinstalling really could be the easiest fix, if you're encountering problems with proposed packages ...
[19:58] <dwidmann> (seeing as I'm technically not allowed to recommend downgrading, right?)
[19:58] <ikonia> dwidmann: you can suggest a downgrade
[19:58] <Advil_> as an aside: gnome is installing now
[19:58] <ikonia> dwidmann: thats a good solution, nothing wrong with that
[19:58] <dwidmann> ikonia: it depends how many packages are in question though
[19:59] <ikonia> Advil_: no point in bothering with desktops until your Xserver is running
[19:59] <ikonia> dwidmann: a very good point
[19:59] <Advil_> no doubt.
[19:59] <Advil_> ok, so I edit my package list and remark those proposed?
[19:59] <ikonia> Advil_: when it starts and it drops you the command prompt are there any warnings/info on screen before
[19:59] <ikonia> Advil_: remove the proposed repo and do a sudo apt-get update
[19:59] <ikonia> Advil_: that will put you back on the "main" repo's only
[20:00] <dwidmann> There is a way to do them all, but I don't remember the specifics, and it involves using the pin priority in apt preferences, or was it apt.conf, or something like that
[20:01] <ikonia> dwidmann: yes, I've done that in the past, I remember a clever scripted way of doing it, I'll see if I can dig it out
[20:01] <dwidmann> setting the priority on packages from the stable packages to greater than 1000, so it c an force a downgrade
[20:01] <ikonia> be interesting to know if this is a broken package, or a driver / config problem
[20:02] <ikonia> if it's a broken package good to submit the bug report so it doesn't get out of proposed
[20:02] <ikonia> Advil_: what video card do you have ?
[20:03] <dwidmann> (lspci | grep VGA)
[20:05] <Advil_> sorry, it's running in a VM...  I can't remember how to edit my sources
[20:06] <ikonia> Advil_: ahhh it's running on a vm ok thats good info
[20:07] <ikonia> Advil_: the first thing I'd suggest is rebooting back into the 2.6.27.11 kernel - its the current stable, lets work from the stable platform if possible
[20:10] <Advil_> lol
[20:10] <Advil_> for sh!ts and giggles, I tried startx again before rebooting... and I'm in Gnome
[20:11] <ikonia> Advil_: try to control the langauge please.
[20:11] <ikonia> Advil_: really, so the desktop loaded
[20:11] <Advil_> yes, It's up, editing sources now
[20:12] <ikonia> Advil_: good good, getting rid of the proposed updates is a good thing
[20:12] <Advil_> ikonia, are those listed as "unsupported updates" in the software sources?
[20:13] <ikonia> Advil_: correct, so technically I should hang up the phone caller ;)
[20:13] <Advil_> hehe
[20:14] <Advil_> updating repository now.
[20:14] <Advil_> thanks for all your help, ikonia
[20:14] <Advil_> I have to get going in about 15-20 min.
[20:14] <ikonia> Advil_: no problem, if you want to go back to "stable" come back and we'll work through the correct procedure
[20:15] <Advil_> how do I know if I have the "default" repo's
[20:15] <ikonia> Advil_: if you've disabled proposed you've back to default
[20:17] <slow-motion> hi
[20:17] <Advil_> ikonia, is it possible to have both KDE and Gnome running to allow me the choice when logging in?
[20:18] <genii> !hi | slow-motion
[20:18] <slow-motion> hi genii
[20:18] <ikonia> Advil_: sure
[20:18] <stdin> !gnome
[20:18] <genii> Advil_: The login manager just will usually list whatever options you have in Sessions
[20:18] <Advil_> thanks
[20:19] <Advil_> why does synaptic list kubuntu-desktop as version 1.101?
[20:22] <stdin> Advil_: that's just the version of that meta-package
[20:22] <genii> Advil_: Thats just the version of the kubuntu-desktop package, not the versions of the subpackages like KDE that it installs
[20:22] <stdin> it's just a package that depends on other packages
[20:22] <Advil_> ok...
[20:22]  * genii slides stdin a coffee
[20:22] <Advil_> I'm guessing that KDE 4.2 is not going to be in this list, then
[20:22]  * stdin inhales the coffee for speedy caffeine absorption
[20:22] <stdin> Advil_: it's 4.1, but you can upgrade to 4.2 by enabling intrepid-backports
[20:22] <Advil_> thanks stdin
[20:23] <Advil_> one more Q before I go today... is there a graphic Grub editor?
[20:24] <Advil_> or... how do I ensure that I boot into kernel 2.6.27.11
[20:24] <ikonia> Advil_: you can edit /boot/grub/menu.lst or select it manually each time
[20:24] <stdin> there is an editor in system settigns
[20:24] <stdin> called "GRUB Editor" ;)
[20:26] <aditirex> where can I find help about issues with ati cards on jaunty  ?
[20:26] <stdin> in #ubuntu+1
[20:26] <aditirex> thks
[20:26] <Advil_> I thought so - in KDE there was, I don't see that in Gnome
[20:29] <Advil_> installing it now..  thanks again for all the help guys!
[20:29] <Advil_> (or girls0!
[20:38] <trampy> the wireshark icon on my desktop is signiffigantly larger than the rest of the icons.
[20:38] <trampy> what an eyesore
[20:38] <trampy> inconsistant
[20:39] <genii> gtk/qt icon mixing
[20:39] <trampy> is there a way to fix it?
[20:40] <trampy> it would be nice
[20:40] <trampy> intrepid.
[20:42] <trampy> linux crap.
[20:43] <ikonia> trampy: ?
[20:49] <idespinner> anyone here running Intel GMA graphics with Kubuntu 9.04?
[20:52] <Palee> Hi to everyone, I'm lookimg for help in TV Tuner topic, thx
[21:03] <jameshicks212121> genii: FYI - I fixed my DNS problem from earlier. changed /etc/nsswitch.conf hosts line too --  hosts:          files dns     now ping works on google.com YAY!!
[21:03] <genii> jameshicks212121: Cool... thanks for reporting back on the solution, it may help others later
[21:03] <jameshicks212121> genii: thats what I was hoping.............
[21:03] <jameshicks212121> gnite all
[21:12] <jjros> 2440
[21:12] <jjros> list mini2440
[21:13] <_Goat_>  i hate to be a pain all. I have tried and tried for three days to get kubuntu online
[21:14] <_Goat_> i use wireless internet. Please can someone give me a tortorial of how to set it up. i have run out of google pages lol
[21:19] <idespinner> _Goat_: what distribution are you running?
[21:27] <marcos__> hi
[21:27] <sg> How does a man spot out a new irc site's and log in to them ?
[21:28] <marcos__> alguien que hable español
[21:28] <sg> No hable inglaterrra
[21:29] <marcos__> what?
[21:29] <marcos__> Lol
[21:29] <shantzu> hello
[21:29] <sg> lol
[21:29] <shantzu> what's a good ftp/scp client with norton-like interface for kubuntu?
[21:30] <marcos__> ok, bye
[21:30] <sg> bye
[21:30] <marcos__> exit
[21:30] <sg> So how does this Irc works?
[21:31] <boboso> can anyone suggest a burning program other than k3b since it keeps giving me errors when i use it?
[21:33] <thebe> I am new user and trying to configure openssh server in ubuntu server
[21:34] <thebe> sudo apt-get install openssh-server, but I got package missing message
[21:34] <thebe> package openssh server has no installation candidate, what should i do then??
[21:34] <thebe> anyone to help me??
[21:36] <sg> My solution for wireless problem's was conecting with wire hehehehe
[21:37] <sg> Not much of a solution
[21:37] <sg> But I've got the internet now
[21:38] <sg> And there you can get help og diffrent forums, on irc chatrooms and of course with google
[21:39] <josh-l> whats the easiest way to create a custom usplash?
[21:39] <sg> #list
[21:40] <sg> what is usplash?
[21:40] <josh-l> boot splash
[21:41] <wir> Hi All
[21:49] <scarfhogg> hi all. i'm on kubuntu 9.04 beta and tried to install the package libical-dev
[21:50] <scarfhogg> but it gives me a dependency error: libical-dev: Hängt ab: libical0 (= 0.43-2) aber 0.43-2ubuntu1~intrepid1~ppa1 soll installiert werden
[21:50] <knotnaam> !jaunty
[21:52] <evoleh> Does anyone know I reset programs on ubuntu? I tried to remove a program and then readd it, but the settings were still the same.
[21:52] <jamesjedimaster> look for its settings inside .kde directory and delete them
[21:52] <evoleh> Aight. Thnx
[21:53] <kanon-mat> or maybe use dpkg-reconfigure packagename
[21:53] <kanon-mat> it may not be a kde app
[21:54] <shantzu> could anyone please recommend me a good text editor with syntax highlighting for web editors (php, html, js, css, etc)?
[21:56] <jamesjedimaster> kate, I saw its highlighted syntax. but I still prefer vi
[21:56] <kanon-mat> quanta is for web dev
[21:57] <scarfhogg> jedit
[21:57] <kalidar> guys i have a seriuos problem when i play et the game bugs out and crashes alot
[21:57] <kalidar> and i lag terrabaly even tho the graphics are medeoker
[21:57] <kalidar> can someone help me fix this?
[21:58] <kanon-mat> u have compiz on?
[21:58] <kalidar> yea
[21:58] <kalidar> compiz is gnome isent it/
[21:58] <kalidar> im in kde
[21:58] <kalidar> im in kwin i think
[21:58] <kanon-mat> anyway, desktop effects can interfere with games
[21:58] <shantzu> cool, thanks guys =)
[21:59] <kalidar> \ok
[21:59] <kalidar> whats your shugestion?
[22:00] <jamesjedimaster> disable compiz and/or disable acceleration graphics
[22:00] <kanon-mat> if you use desktop effects, try playing without
[22:00] <kalidar> how do i do that? that sucks btw i shouldent have to do all this stuff evertime iwana play a game
[22:00] <kanon-mat> or is this a gfx driver issue?
[22:00] <kalidar> what do you consider desktop efects i have alot of widgets if thats what u mean
[22:00] <kalidar> dont think its graphix driver isue
[22:01] <kalidar> as i se the game fine most of the time
[22:01] <kalidar> just sometimes the game glitches out
[22:01] <kalidar> and crashes and or graphix get bugy
[22:01] <kanon-mat> do you run some other apps at the same time?
[22:02] <kalidar> umm just ktorrent
[22:02] <kalidar> and xchat
[22:02] <BOZG> Hey
[22:02] <_Goat_> hi
[22:02] <kalidar> do i seriousley have to disable desktop effects and metacity --replace everytime i wana play a game?
[22:02] <BOZG> Since I switched to Kubuntu, from Ubuntu, Firefox no longer associates any file types with programmes.
[22:02] <BOZG> Anyone have any idea?
[22:03] <kanon-mat> running torrents while playing games is known to lag you down
[22:03] <BOZG> Even clicking Open Containing Folder asks me to open with
[22:03] <kalidar> i disable the downloads tho
[22:03] <kalidar> i just leave it open is al
[22:03] <kalidar> ok how do i disable desktop effects and what is a good window manager for kde cuz kwin sux
[22:04] <kalidar> everytime i run a fulscren game in kwin it gets glithey
[22:04] <kalidar> and colorfull lol
[22:04] <kanon-mat> i think kwin is ok, idk
[22:04] <kalidar> aww man well im using metacity rite now
[22:04] <kanon-mat> i play games in windowed mode the size of my screen
[22:04] <jamesjedimaster> k menu -> system -> desktop effects
[22:04] <kalidar> and metacity is gnome
[22:05] <kanon-mat> and turn borders off
[22:05] <kanon-mat> i use kde3, idk exactly how that works in kde4
[22:05] <kalidar> that dosent work
[22:06] <kalidar> i think its a kde 4 isue
[22:06] <jamesjedimaster> do you use ubuntu or kubuntu?
[22:06] <kalidar> kubuntu
[22:06] <wir> 8.04 or 8.10?
[22:06] <kalidar> also i cant get sound in games
[22:06] <kalidar> 8.10
[22:06] <kanon-mat> have you tried other games?
[22:07] <kalidar> sorry just et i cant get sound
[22:07] <kalidar> yeah other games work fine untill i fullscren them
[22:07] <wir> what graphics car u got?
[22:07] <kalidar> when i play games fulscren it gliches and gets realy colorfull and glitchey
[22:07] <kalidar> i dunno
[22:07] <wir> that's a point
[22:08] <wir> u need know otherwise we cannot help
[22:08] <kanon-mat> some games dont provide sound in glx and in 64bit version
[22:08] <kalidar> well if is my graphics card then im skrewed
[22:08] <kalidar> im playing the 32 bit version
[22:08] <wir> ah sorry sound card ;-)
[22:08] <kanon-mat> so i use the sdlversion
[22:08] <kalidar> how i find out what sound card i have
[22:08] <wir> thats rather not a problem
[22:08] <kalidar> ich forget he soundcard
[22:09] <kalidar> i wana get the graphix workin first
[22:09] <kalidar> no point fixing sound if i cant play it lol
[22:09] <wir> find out more about your hardware
[22:09] <wir> what do u see in logs?
[22:09] <kalidar> omg i hate linux
[22:09] <kanon-mat> what graphics card
[22:09] <kalidar> hold on
[22:10] <kalidar> how i find out what graphix card i have
[22:10] <kalidar> in linux
[22:10] <kanon-mat> open case :)
[22:10] <wir> kalidar: if u hate it why u use it?
[22:10] <kalidar> cuz i love it too
[22:10] <kalidar> lol i hate it and i love it
[22:10] <Mamarok> kalidar: type lspci in a console
[22:10] <kalidar> its a love hate relationship
[22:10] <kalidar> lspci got it
[22:10] <gundam_rx78nt1> hello, is there a problem with updating?  I keep geting Hash Sum mismatch everytime I try to update.
[22:10] <gundam_rx78nt1> any pointers on how to correct this?
[22:10] <kanon-mat> lspci | less is even better
[22:10] <cinex> kanon-mat: lspci
[22:11] <kalidar> its a intell
[22:11] <cinex> lspci |less is gay
[22:11] <kanon-mat> integrated graphics card?
[22:11] <wir> shit, this channel so busy ;-)
[22:11] <kalidar> a00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 02)
[22:11] <Dragnslcr> !language
[22:12] <wir> ohh sorry pal
[22:12] <kanon-mat> what commands are i allowed to use? :(
[22:12] <wir> Dragnslcr: what language?
[22:12] <cinex> any u want kanon-mat
[22:12] <wir> :-)
[22:12] <wir> no problem
[22:12] <kanon-mat> i think cinex was using language :)
[22:13] <kalidar> ok forget it if i wana play games ill jus go to windows i dont have patiants to be doing all this debuging rite now ill come back later maby
[22:13] <kalidar> and try this again
[22:13] <kalidar> im gona go read some faq and stuf
[22:13] <kanon-mat> integrated graphics?
[22:13] <kalidar> thanks guys
[22:13] <gundam_rx78nt1> Anybody  having problems with updating?
[22:13] <kalidar> how i find out
[22:14] <kalidar> graphix card information
[22:14] <gundam_rx78nt1> Hash Sum mismatch problems when doing an update to the distro?
[22:14] <wir> kalidar: yes, try read it, then try to contact us if u need more help ;-)
[22:14] <kalidar> indeed
[22:14] <kalidar> l8trs thx
[22:16] <kanon-mat> i havent heard of Hash Sum mismatch, is that a repository problem? wrong keys? idk
[22:16] <oem> hola
[22:16] <gundam_rx78nt1> I don't really know.
[22:16] <gundam_rx78nt1> I haven't done anything to cause that problem.
[22:17] <gundam_rx78nt1> I haven't been able to update my system  for the past 2 weeks.
[22:17] <gundam_rx78nt1> Even if I try to do an apt-get on the command line, it will  fail  with that error.
[22:18] <gundam_rx78nt1> It is also happening to my 8.04 box
[22:18] <kanon-mat> maybe you have to choose other repos
[22:20] <kanon-mat> i read there is a bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+bug/173932
[22:25] <kanon-mat> gundam_rx78nt1: is it the same when you do: sudo aptitude update?
[22:25] <idespinner> Ive had a hash key mismatch in my ubuntu gnome 8.04 for the past 2 months...
[22:26] <idespinner> not sure what it is though, I hit ignore
[22:27] <kanon-mat> "My case turned out to be because, here at work, I'm behind the corporate firewall and needed to configure apt-get to use the proxy server (in Synaptic Package Manager -> Settings -> Network tab)"
[22:28] <kanon-mat> from http://www.zyxware.com/articles/2008/07/27/how-to-fix-hash-sum-mismatch-and-size-mismatch-errors-from-apt-get-apt-cacher
[22:37] <Jampiter> I have both kdm and gdm installed. Kdm is active. How do I change this to gdm?
[22:41] <rickest> Jampiter: use update-rc.d to disable kdm, enable gdm
[22:45] <berna> Hi all
[22:46] <berna> ??
[22:48] <kalidar> ok guys i got my graphix to work fine in enemy terratory but i cant get sound atall
[22:48] <kalidar> i was wondering how do i find out what my soundcard is so i can echo it
[22:49] <kalidar> maby that will work
[22:56] <gundam_rx78nt1> Ok, no matter what I do, I still have the hash sum mismatch error when trying to update my distribution on 8.10
[22:57] <gundam_rx78nt1> I have changed my repositories to no avail.
[22:57] <gundam_rx78nt1> how do I get the keys for the main kubuntu repositories?
[22:59] <vital> pulseaudio does not 'find' my hardware, can I add it manually? or run some detection-stuff?  running jaunty beta.
[23:00] <jdahl> I have not been able to configure are wireless network in Kubuntu 9.04,  but it has always worked without problems in Ubuntu.  Do you need to do anything special?  I navigated to "network settings -> wireless" and found my wireless access point by "scan", but I cannot activate it
[23:07] <Haza1__> Quick question. How do i list all the ports that are open and listening on my system via the terminal?
[23:07] <Cycom> is it possible to stream video from an sftp server to something like Dragon?  I was able to do this in gnome, but haven't been able to figure it out in KDE.  It seems that dolphin (or whatever app manages this) attempts to copy the entire file to temp first.
[23:07] <Cycom> Haza1__: I think it's netstat...
[23:07] <Cycom> Haza1__: if you're looking for actual open ports, you can always use nmap to portscan yourself.
[23:08] <mjrclark> kalidar: lspci as before, in fact your message at 22:11:48 shows your sound card info
[23:09] <Haza1__> Cycom: Thank you :)
[23:10] <Haza1__> Cycom: Can i pass netstat an argument to check and see if anything is listening on a certain port?
[23:15] <Cycom> Haza1__: I beleive so, can't remember what argument though.
[23:21] <mjrclark> Hazal__: man page doesn't say anything other than -l for listening, could pass the huge output to | grep portnumber
[23:33] <Cycom> but yeah, is it possible to play media files over sftp?
[23:34] <robinr> if the player understands the sftp protocol, why not?
[23:35] <robinr> but, my guess is that few if any does
[23:36] <guest> I have duel displays set up and I cant figure out for the life of me how to move the panel to the other display.
[23:37] <Cycom> robinr: in gnome they had gvfs handle it, at least in 8.10, so just about anything could be played even if the player doesn't understand the proto.
[23:38] <robinr> guest: you need to set up xinerame, sometimes called twinview for that
[23:38] <robinr> s/xinerama
[23:38] <guest> yea I have twinview setup all ready
[23:38] <robinr> Cycom: if the player supports the gvfs
[23:38] <frogonwheels> guest presumably youcan move windows across displays
[23:38] <guest> yup
[23:38] <robinr> (and kio slaves for KDE)
[23:39] <Cycom> robinr: does vlc support gvfs?
[23:39] <frogonwheels> guest in kde 4.2 you can definitely move the panel across displays
[23:39] <josh-l> weird gimp toolbox isnt showing in the taskmanager
[23:39] <guest> frogonwheels:span across both displays?
[23:40] <robinr> guest: try to look for something like "primary screen" in the settings
[23:40] <frogonwheels> guest. possibly, but not what I meant.
[23:40] <guest> yea it has my wide screen as the primary but it shows up on the secondary
[23:40] <frogonwheels> guest you can always add a panel to the primary
[23:41] <frogonwheels> guest:  I've just upgraded to 4.2 - can't remember how you move the panel to different edges in 4.1 um..
[23:42] <frogonwheels> when you select the pallet for the panel,  is there a 'move' command shown?
[23:42] <guest> frogonwheels: im on 4.2 also
[23:43] <frogonwheels> guest cool.   then click the pallette for the panel and click and drage on 'move edge'
[23:43] <frogonwheels> drage=drag
[23:44] <frogonwheels> Does that makes sense?
[23:44] <guest> frogonwheels: maybe its the task manager im talking about. The bar that goes accross the bottom of the screen.
[23:45] <frogonwheels> .. and there's that little pallete drop thing that edits the panel (that contains the task manager)
[23:45] <frogonwheels> (drop shape in a semi-circle - click that)
[23:45] <frogonwheels> I think of it as a paint palette - but that might not be the idea!?
[23:45] <guest> frogonwheels: ok
[23:46] <frogonwheels> the one for the panel, not for the desktop.
[23:46] <frogonwheels> (it's a semi-circle on the panel, actually :))
[23:48] <josh-l> weird gimp toolbox isnt showing in the taskmanager
[23:49] <frogonwheels> josh-l: there's an option somewhere to obey the hint to hide windows from the taskmanager.
[23:49] <frogonwheels> josh-l: I suspect the gimp toolbox has the 'don't show me in the taskmanager' hint.. and you have the option ticked
[23:49] <josh-l> frogonwheels: would that be in settings then?
[23:49] <josh-l> i mean system settings
[23:49] <frogonwheels> josh-l: Yep. somewhere there.
[23:49] <josh-l> k thx
[23:50] <guest> frogonwheels: nope
[23:50] <frogonwheels> as in you can't find the 'move edge' button?
[23:50] <guest> cant find it
[23:51] <frogonwheels> ok. I'll paint you a picture. hold a sec.
[23:51] <guest> when I click the semicricle thing all it has is add widget
[23:51] <frogonwheels> hmmm. where do I pastebin images?
[23:51] <josh-l> frogonwheels: dont see it
[23:52] <guest> imagebin.ca
[23:52] <|PaperTiger|> How do I install ATi Catalyst Control Centre?
[23:52] <josh-l> frogonwheels: i see how i can make it skip taskbar if i want... but its unselected already
[23:53]  * frogonwheels shrugs
[23:55] <phoenixz_> Should Kubuntu 9.04 now install KDE4.2?
[23:56] <phoenixz_> I had 4.1++  and after upgrade its the same
[23:56] <phoenixz_> friend of mine had 4.1 and after upgrade itsa also the same
[23:56] <frogonwheels> guest http://imagebin.ca/view/U8Pn5lyh.html
[23:57] <|PaperTiger|> I'm using 4.1 on 8.10
[23:57] <phoenixz_> For one, we're both missing a large bunch of applets (no battery monitor anymore, and the supposed to be there wifi network applet isnt there either
[23:57] <frogonwheels> guest you click on the little palette thing in the orange circle.. and you see that config panel pop down
[23:58] <frogonwheels> guest: then you click-drag the /Screen Edge/ button (in blue circle)