[02:53]  * wgrant spies some LAZR
[02:55] <wgrant> Ah, not really.
[05:02] <maco> on bugmail, what are the possible values after "X-Launchpad-Message-Rationale: Subscriber
[05:02] <maco> er for the rationale?
[05:02] <maco> Subscriber and what else?
[05:04] <wgrant> maco: There's Assigne, IIRC
[05:05] <wgrant> s/Assigne/Assignee/
[05:05] <maco> So "Reporter" currently not an option?
[05:05] <wgrant> And also remember that there are variants of Subscriber and Assignee.
[05:05] <wgrant> NAFAIK
[05:05] <wgrant> You can tell if you've commented on the bug, though.
[05:06] <maco> im trying to figure out how to filter "people replying to bugs i reported, asking me a question" separate from "people replying to bugs they reported where i asked a question"
[05:06] <wgrant> That would be nice, yes.
[05:06] <wgrant> I smell a bug.
[05:06] <maco> yeah.....wishlist time
[05:12] <maco> wgrant: filed
[06:01] <thumper> maco: code review email has rationales of "Subscriber" for personally subscribed "Subscriber @team-name" for a team subscription, or "Reviewer"
[06:01]  * thumper wonders off again
[06:38] <Hobbsee> argh!!!
[06:38] <wgrant> What has died?
[06:38] <wgrant> +queue?
[06:39] <Hobbsee> wgrant: some git just contacted the entirety of ubuntu members, promoting linkedin.  Thanks, launchpad!
[06:39] <Hobbsee> I thought that launchpad was going to fix it, so you couldn't send mail to large teams?
[06:39] <wgrant> Members can, AFAIK.
[06:40] <Hobbsee> hurrah
[06:40]  * Hobbsee also moves more bugs away from packages that no longer exist, but people keep filing on anyway
[06:41] <wgrant> It seems that non-members can only contact the owner, although that's not entirely obvious.
[06:41] <Hobbsee> woah.  launchpad front page changed.
[06:41] <wgrant> Hobbsee: A release or two ago now.
[06:42] <Hobbsee> no, not that change.  A more recent change
[06:42] <Hobbsee> and how do i get stuff like the bottom of https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+filebug-advanced on https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-restricted-extras/+filebug-advanced?
[06:42] <wgrant> Hobbsee: I don't think there's UI for that. But you can use launchpadlib.
[06:43] <Hobbsee> ah
[06:47]  * Hobbsee hits the "spam 450 people" button, and grins.
[07:03] <james_w> Hobbsee: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2009-January/027206.html
[07:04] <Hobbsee> james_w: sweet, thanks!
[07:06] <Hobbsee> even better, it appears i've got commit access...
[07:15] <Hobbsee> james_w: pushed, thanks for the help
[07:17] <james_w> np
[09:51] <kiko> FE FI FO FUM
[09:52]  * wgrant hides.
[11:49] <BUGabundo> wgrant: ping
[11:49] <BUGabundo> so ppa teams don't own BTSs?
[11:50] <wgrant> BUGabundo: What do you mean by BTS?
[11:57] <ivangarcia> hi guys I need some help creating a branch/series
[11:57] <BUGabundo> bug track system
[11:57] <BUGabundo> aka LP bugs
[11:57] <ivangarcia> i have a program with my main code in the series trunk
[11:58] <ivangarcia> now I want to have a separate data folder in my project where only few people will be able to commit
[11:58] <ivangarcia> how can I do that?
[11:58] <wgrant> BUGabundo: Projects, distributions, packages and their series have bugs.
[11:58] <wgrant> BUGabundo: Nothing else.
[11:59] <wgrant> ivangarcia: You can't, without having a separate branch owned by another team.
[11:59] <wgrant> ivangarcia: Or do you mean you want to create another branch, rather than a subdirectory of the existing one?
[11:59] <wgrant> That is easy.
[12:00] <ivangarcia> wgrant, u say I cannot do it with subdirectories right?
[12:01] <wgrant> ivangarcia: Correct.
[12:01] <BUGabundo> wgrant: maybe I'm not getting this right!
[12:01] <ivangarcia> wgrant, so I created a different branch at https://code.launchpad.net/~babiloo-maintainers-vi/babiloo/dictionaries-vi
[12:01] <ivangarcia> but when I do a bzr branch of https://code.launchpad.net/~babiloo-maintainers-vi/babiloo/dictionaries-vi
[12:01] <ivangarcia> it loads me again the main code of the app
[12:01] <ivangarcia> how can? shoudn't be empty?
[12:02] <wgrant> ivangarcia: How did you create the branch?
[12:02] <ivangarcia> wgrant, look at here, https://code.launchpad.net/babiloo
[12:02] <ivangarcia> i clicked on Register a branch button
[12:03] <wgrant> ivangarcia: I can't branch from that URL.
[12:03] <wgrant> There is no branch there - it is empty.
[12:04] <ivangarcia> wgrant, open this from the browser https://code.launchpad.net/babiloo
[12:05] <wgrant> ivangarcia: You need to create a new branch ('bzr init' in a new directory) and push to lp:~babiloo-maintainers-vi/babiloo/dictionaries-vi
[12:06] <wgrant> There's nothing in that branch now.
[12:06] <wgrant> BUGabundo: What is your understanding of how things work?
[12:06] <ivangarcia> wgrant, let me try
[12:07] <BUGabundo> ok imagine this
[12:07] <BUGabundo> I have gwibber
[12:07] <BUGabundo> gwibber is in archive
[12:08] <BUGabundo> but also on fta,  gwibber team, and gwibber daily
[12:08] <BUGabundo> when I file a bug via apport
[12:08] <BUGabundo> it will refuse to use it, 'cause of version missmatch with archive
[12:08] <ivangarcia> wgrant, it says this
[12:08] <ivangarcia> bzr: ERROR: Target directory lp:~babiloo-maintainers-vi/babiloo/dictionaries-vi already exists, but does not have a valid .bzr directory. Supply --use-existing-dir to push there anyway.
[12:08] <ivangarcia> should i supply that?
[12:08] <BUGabundo> I just want it to file any way and indicate the version
[12:09] <BUGabundo> and if possible report it upstream (or manually to the upstream project/team)
[12:09] <wgrant> ivangarcia: Yes. You didn't need to register the branch in the web UI - you can just push to a URL and it will create it.
[12:09] <BUGabundo> wgrant: why can't apport just do that!
[12:09] <ivangarcia> oh, ok, but if I want to restrinct the owner of that new branch? not to me but to a team?
[12:09] <wgrant> BUGabundo: You are not permitted to file bugs against Ubuntu packages if the version you have installed is from a PPA, unless the maintainer of the package in Ubuntu has explicitly authorised you to do so.
[12:10] <wgrant> ivangarcia: Just give lp:~teamname/project/branch rather than lp:~myusername/project/branch
[12:11] <ivangarcia> ah ok, many thks wgrant
[12:11] <BUGabundo> wgrant: ahhhhhhhhhhh so its an Option thing!!! got it
[12:11] <wgrant> BUGabundo: Huh?
[12:11] <wgrant> ivangarcia: np
[12:12] <BUGabundo> didn't know that mantainers would have an option for it
[12:13] <wgrant> BUGabundo: There is no technical option. It is simply impolite and rejectable to do it unless they tell you you are allowed to.
[12:14] <BUGabundo> yes yes
[12:14] <BUGabundo> ok
[12:14] <BUGabundo> now I got it better
[12:14] <SamB> sort of like how you aren't permitted to walk naked in the streets most places
[12:15] <SamB> except that you aren't quite so likely to be arrested on launchpad
[12:15] <bigjools> wgrant might try
[12:15] <wgrant> bigjools: Hm?
[12:15] <bigjools> to arrest someone :)
[12:16] <wgrant> Ah.
[12:16] <wgrant> That might be a bit difficult.
[12:16] <SamB> you thought bigjools meant you might try to walk naked through the streets?
[12:16] <wgrant> Heh.
[12:16]  * bigjools shudders
[13:05] <maxb> Anything interesting happening to PPAs whilst they're down?
[13:05] <bigjools> disk upgrade
[13:06] <bigjools> so not really :)
[16:26] <mrevell> PPAs are back online following a few minutes of planned maintenance.
[16:43] <felipe__> Guys how can I delete a blueprint I just submited...is listed in the wrong proyect
[16:46] <allenap> felipe_: Can you give me the URL and I'll see what I can do.
[16:48] <felipe__> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/earcandy/+spec/sources.list-switche
[16:48] <felipe__> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/earcandy/+spec/sources.list-switcher
[16:48] <felipe__> I can't link it to the NetworkManager Project
[16:48] <jelmer> hi
[16:49] <allenap> felipe__: Have you tried https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/earcandy/+spec/sources.list-switcher/+retarget
[16:49] <jelmer> it seems like launchpad is having trouble scanning https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~jelmer/git/trunk
[16:50] <felipe__> it says I should rename the blueprint, but I aslo want to delete it from earcandy
[16:53] <allenap> felipe__: Something weird is going on....!
[16:55] <felipe__> allenap, oh good, I feel less stupid :D
[16:55] <felipe__> lol
[16:56] <felipe__> So what should I do? rename the blueprint and link it to NetworkManager although I can't find the NetworkManager Projetc?
[16:58] <allenap> sinzui, flacoste: I'm trying to help felipe__ retarget a blueprint, but it's going a bit weird. In staging, whenever I retarget *any* blueprint, it ends up in the earcandy project. Any ideas?
[16:59] <allenap> felipe__: https://edge.launchpad.net/network-manager
[16:59]  * sinzui looks
[17:01] <allenap> jelmer: I don't know what's happening there. The code guys are all asleep or at PyCon :) rockstar, are you around to help jelmer?
[17:02] <felipe__> allenap, after the blueprint is submited what else should I do?
[17:03] <allenap> felipe__: I'm getting you a workaround, sinzui's looking into the cause of the problem. Hang with us :)
[17:06] <felipe__> allenap, No prob, but the question was in general...after submiting and blueprint what else should I do? I don't program good enough to implement the blueprint myself
[17:07] <sinzui> allenap: my firefox has gone belly up. I'll need to try a new session
[17:10] <allenap> felipe__: In general I would try and talk to the maintainers/developers of the project in question and see if they're interested in your proposal. I don't know much at all about blueprints or about the way network-manager and Ubuntu use them, but you can propose a blueprint for consideration during a sprint. The upcoming UDS would be one such event. I suggest going on #ubuntu and asking about it there.
[17:11] <allenap> felipe__: Is that what you were looking for?
[17:11] <felipe__> allenap, yes, thank you.
[17:16] <sinzui> felipe_ I've finally got a working browser. Retarget means move to a different project. reading the scollback, I think you are saying you want to move sources.list-switcher from earcandy to netwrk-manager
[17:18] <allenap> sinzui: While I tried to see how it works, I added a blueprint in malone on staging. Retargeting it to, say, python-macports caused it to end up in earcandy, bizarrely.
[17:19] <sinzui> allenap: so your saying if I try one of my specs, it too will migrate to eay candy?
[17:19] <sinzui> earcandy
[17:19] <felipe__> allenap, yea, thats what I was trying to do.
[17:19] <allenap> sinzui: Yep.
[17:19] <allenap> sinzui: I tried it twice, and they both ended up there!
[17:20] <sinzui> wow! earcandy shows up when I search for launchpad
[17:22]  * gmb boggles at the scrollback
[17:22] <felipe__> sinzui, lol
[17:23] <felipe__> the earcandy guys are probably very happy with the bug, tons of publicity ;)
[17:26] <sinzui> yep. This is wack
[17:26]  * sinzui ponders how to get his spec back
[17:28] <sinzui> I see, so when you try to move the blueprint again, it is moved again to earcandy, which is an error because ear candy cannot have two blueprints of the same name
[17:28]  * sinzui looks at Blueprint's bug reports
[17:33] <sinzui> I believe bug 309048 is mutating. blueprints were targeted to launchpad. Now it is earcandy. I wonder is ear candy is a member of the launchpad-project now?
[17:33] <allenap> sinzui: I have to go now, so thanks for looking into this issue.
[17:39] <sinzui> felipe_ This looks like a very bad bug: bug 320889 is the real bug. There is some change in the data that causes a different project to get the blueprint. Given that a few launchpad developers have looked at this, you will not be able to retarget your spec until someone lands a fix
[17:40] <sinzui> felipe_I will escalate this issue and get it fixed for the next Launchpad release next week
[17:42] <gmb> sinzui: That wins the 2.2.3 weirdest bug prize, I think.
[17:42] <sinzui> gmb: abentley first reported the issue in December 2008
[17:43] <gmb> sinzui: Ah. s/\.2\.3/.5/ then...
[17:43] <sinzui> earcandy has my spec and I want it back
[17:43] <gmb> Heh.
[17:48] <felipe__> sinzui, Thank you very much.
[17:58] <cocooncrash> Why doesn't LP detect the merged revision of a merge request?
[17:58] <cocooncrash> It detects that it's been merged, so it can't be difficult to get the revision number surely?
[17:59] <beuno> cocooncrash, it actually is kinda hard
[17:59] <beuno> it's on our radar, just hard to do
[17:59] <cocooncrash> beuno: Thanks
[18:00] <beuno> cocooncrash, because it could of been merged very deep in the branch
[18:00] <beuno> so you you end up recursively going through it
[18:00] <beuno> or
[18:00] <beuno> you try and be smart
[18:01] <beuno> we want to be smart, just haven't figured out how yet  :)
[18:01] <abentley> sinzui: The issue we discussed yesterday?
[18:05] <sinzui> abentley: bug 309048
[18:06] <sinzui> The target project changes, but the point is that the blueprint never goes to the right project
[18:06] <abentley> sinzui: I'm not sure why you're telling me this.
[18:07] <sinzui> abentley: You reported the first instance of this bug, that is all that I meant.
[18:07] <abentley> sinzui: Ah, I'd forgotten.
[18:08] <sinzui> If I can fix this bug, I can get my spec back
[18:19] <cocooncrash> beuno: Ah, I see
[18:50] <ripps> There's something weird going on with the gmpc-trunk ppa, it can't find certain packages within it.
[18:50] <ripps> And packages that rely on a dependency can't find the dependency in the ppa.
[19:00] <nixternal> how do I get someone to approve translation files waiting to be imported for Jaunty?
[19:00] <nixternal> ie. kubuntu-docs
[19:00] <beuno> nixternal, you ping danilos, jtv1 or henninge_
[19:00] <beuno> not sure if they're still here
[19:01] <nixternal> beuno: thanks for pinging them for me :p
[19:01] <beuno> :)
[19:01] <nixternal> I don't remember doing this in the past...has it always been this way?
[19:02] <nixternal> could be the reason why "kubuntu documentation translation were horrible in the past"....never got imported so I always pulled the old stuff :D
[19:09] <newz2000> Is there an appropriate way for a team in launchpad to manage a short-term (1 month) project?
[19:10] <kiko> newz2000, you mean, like a launchpad release?
[19:10] <newz2000> I don't know, I've read about them but not used them
[19:11] <newz2000> but for example, I'll create a mini website, I have to gather information, track changes, all the usual project stuff, but then it will be done and never change again.
[19:12] <newz2000> does it make sense to make one launchpad project for all of a team's individual projects and each individual project would be a release?
[19:14] <mrooney> Does anyone else get 100% xorg cpu usage when visiting any launchpad bug/spec list such as https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu ?
[19:15] <mrooney> it has happened to me for the past month or so in Jaunty with Firefox, I can't figure it out
[19:15] <mrooney> I removed my ~/.mozilla and started fresh, same thing
[19:19] <newz2000> mrooney: try disabling some firefox extensions... start with flash, flashblock and firebug
[19:20]  * newz2000 had the same problem but it was some errant extension at fault
[19:20] <mrooney> newz2000: hm, as I said above I actually cleared out my whole .mozilla
[19:20] <newz2000> check your addons to see if there are any enabled, especially flash
[19:20] <mrooney> I am not sure if you understand what removing .mozilla does :)
[19:21] <newz2000> well, some add ons are installed system wide
[19:23] <mrooney> yes in rare cases I suppose, but anyway there is not a single extension enabled
[19:23] <mrooney> I also disabled every plugin for good measure :)
[19:24] <newz2000> not rare... the first time you visit a flash site ubufox will offer to install three different flash plugins for you
[19:24] <mrooney> well yes but then that would still be an ubuntu supplied thing and thus a valid bug
[19:25] <mrooney> anyway thanks for your suggestions though, I think I will file a bug
[20:22] <cgregan> Looking for some info on Launchpad interfaces with other bug trackers in the wiki. Any EDT zone LP folks available? rockstar, leonardr, abentley?
[20:22] <rockstar> cgregan, I'm usually not EDT, but what are you looking to do?
[20:22] <cgregan> rockstar: whoops...just a listing and whether or not they are two way comms.
[20:22] <rockstar> cgregan, from what I understand, yes, they are two way connections.  I don't know all the supported bug trackers
[20:22]  * rockstar is not on the bugs team
[20:23] <cgregan> rockstar: Yeah...seemed late for the bugs guys though
[20:23] <cgregan> gmb: ping?
[20:24] <matsubara> cgregan: You mean something like this: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/bugs/bugtrackers?
[20:24] <cgregan> matsubara: Hmm...sort of. But more of an official list of what you can register
[20:25] <cgregan> matsubara: there may be more supported than what is registered
[20:26] <matsubara> cgregan: there is a bug tracker type select box in the registry an external bug tracker page. AFAIK, those are ones LP can communicate with
[20:27] <matsubara> cgregan: some of them, like bugzilla and trac, can do two way communication if the remote tracker uses the LP plugin.
[20:29] <cgregan> matsubara: yes..that is exactly the info I am looking for. Like a table: || Name || 2-Way comms || Plugin ||  etc.
[20:30] <matsubara> cgregan: this post from gmb might shed some light http://blog.launchpad.net/cool-new-stuff/announcing-the-launchpad-plugin-api-spec
[20:32] <cgregan> matsubara: ah...ok. I see
[20:32] <cgregan> Thanks matsubara!
[20:32] <matsubara> cgregan: I'm afraid I can't be of much help re: which of those remote trackers offer two way comm with LP, other than bugzilla and trac
[20:34] <cgregan> matsubara: not a problem....I will go with the safe bet and tell my group it is only Bugzilla and Trac for now
[20:40] <henninge> nixternal: You will have to ask Arne Goetje about the kubuntu-docs template uploads.
[20:40] <henninge> nixternal: He approves all Ubuntu-related imports.
[20:41] <nixternal> roger that, thanks!
[20:41] <henninge> nixternal: As I can see, you just uploaded those today so Arne may still approve them in his normal work flow.
[21:14] <henninge> nixternal: Are you aware of the discussion on ubuntu-translators about Kubuntu-docs?
[21:26] <ripps> Can someone help me figure out why source packages can't find dependencies that are already in the PPA?
[21:28] <kiko> ripps, sometimes it's a race condition between publication and building
[21:30] <ripps> kiko: the dependencies have been there for days, and they were working as dependecies only a few hours ago. Then, suddenly, the packages stop recognizing them.
[21:31] <kiko> ripps, that's pretty odd. what do the buildlog failures tell you?
[21:31] <ripps> kiko: gmpc-dev: Depends: gmpc (= 0.18.0+git090324-0ubuntu2~rippsi) but it is not going to be installed
[21:31] <ripps> both packages are there.
[21:31] <kiko> ripps, sounds like there's a version problem.
[21:32] <kiko> ripps, is it fetching the packages file from your PPA?
[21:32] <ripps> yes
[21:33] <ripps> kiko: the ppa is https://edge.launchpad.net/~gmpc-trunk/+archive/ppa
[21:39] <nixternal> henninge: wasn't aware of that, thanks
[21:44] <ripps> exit
[23:17] <jkakar> I keep seeing 'too much recursion' errors in Firebug when using edge.  It started a few days ago and is happening every so often.
[23:17] <jkakar> I've seen it at least on bug and branch pages.
[23:17] <jkakar> No Javascript-related behaviour breaks, as far as I can tell, and there's no line number in the Firebug message.
[23:18] <jkakar> So, I'm not even entirely sure it isn't Firebug itself crapping out, but I figured out mention it in case others had seen similar.