[00:00] <bruce89> arghh
[00:00] <thewrath> what about sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[00:00] <hggdh> better
[00:00] <thewrath> i was told what you said wont get everything
[00:00] <acicula> so do a dist-upgrade
[00:00] <thewrath> i was not sure
[00:00] <hggdh> aye
[00:00] <qixcom> need to label the cd this time so I dont loose it in a 200 pile of blank dvd's again :D :P Been using an old hardy cd to install the last few times and its a pain having to run update-manager -d twice
[00:00]  * bruce89 doesn't get why people can't grasp the concept of development releases
[00:01] <thewrath> acicula: whats the difference between teh two
[00:01] <acicula> though you are already on jaunty so dunno why that differs
[00:01] <thewrath> what are people's download speeds
[00:02] <Cycom> 600KB/sec
[00:02] <qixcom> 311KB/s
[00:02] <Cycom> I was at 1MB, but that dropped pretty fast :)
[00:02] <hggdh> 2.7MB/s
[00:02] <thewrath> lucky
[00:02] <bruce89> 0.0
[00:02] <thewrath> ill be back
[00:02] <hggdh> LOL
[00:02] <o0Chris0o> when is the sourch going to be available for apt-get
[00:02] <Cycom> I'm flirting with 1MB pretty often though.
[00:02] <thewrath> i am going to go to into windows
[00:02] <bruce89> excluding the IRC traffic
[00:03] <Cycom> the torrent doesn't seem to have anyone on it yet, but I'm going to download and seed it.
[00:03] <hggdh> oh, I did not add my IRC in
[00:03] <acicula> 2Mb/s
[00:03] <acicula> doesnt seem that crowded on the main server
[00:03] <funkyHat> Why are there only DVD images on this page http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/jaunty/beta/ ?
[00:03] <acicula> so much for the rush ;)
[00:04] <Cycom> it seems only the amd64 version is up now, yes?
[00:05] <josh-l> beta has been released for ubuntu... kubuntu?
[00:05] <qixcom> Cycom - x86 is up too
[00:05] <josh-l> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/jaunty/beta/
[00:05] <Cycom> qixcom: ah, seems to have just hit
[00:05] <acicula> why do people go for the images instead of just updating/upgrading ?
[00:05] <josh-l> acicula, because some of us are running 8.10
[00:06] <josh-l> duh
[00:06] <Cycom> acicula: I'm just torrenting them so I can seed.
[00:06] <acicula> josh-l: so
[00:06] <Cycom> josh-l: you can upgrade from 8.10...
[00:06] <qixcom> because sometimes its best to do a fresh install
[00:06] <Cycom> josh-l: that was acicula's point.
[00:06] <funkyHat> acicula: I've only tested in a VM so far, and currently my Jaunty VM is broken
[00:06] <sstoveld> hey guys, is there a problem with vsftpd and jaunty?
[00:06] <josh-l> yeah i like to do fresh installs whenever possible
[00:06] <kneeki> I just realized the beta download is 4.3Gb
[00:06] <josh-l> so is the kubuntu image out?
[00:06] <funkyHat> acicula: also I'm planning to test it's working proerly with the liveCD before I upgrade and possibly break my PC too ;)
[00:07] <Cycom> I'm not seeing much activity on the torrents.  are there actual seeds out there?
[00:07] <Cycom> oops! the i386 one just perked up!
[00:07] <Cycom> and back down.
[00:07] <HolyScottie> cd or dvd?
[00:07] <Cycom> dvd.
[00:07] <Cycom> is there even a CD image?
[00:07] <funkyHat> CDs would be awesome, I don't have a DVD burner
[00:07] <bruce89> acicula: apparently, some people don't think updates are the same thing
[00:07] <acicula> idunno, ran feisty and upgraded that untill the disk broke last december :/ apart from upgrading to early toalpha/beta i never ran into much trouble
[00:07] <HolyScottie> I see all the dvds, is there gonna be a cd release?
[00:08] <josh-l> anyone know? is the kubuntu beta image out?
[00:08] <jblackhall> http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/9.04/
[00:08] <acicula> bruce89: well admitedly there is some crud i suppose, but it's marginal in my experience
[00:08] <bruce89> not if you're careful
[00:08] <funkyHat> When I actually decide to upgrade I'll just be doing a dist-upgrade
[00:08]  * bruce89 sets as many packages in aptitude as auto-installed
[00:09] <funkyHat> But I'm not sure I'll upgrade to Jaunty at all, I don't like the sound of what's happened to update-manager (I'll have to see how it looks on the live cd)
[00:10] <josh-l> it is out
[00:10] <josh-l> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/jaunty/beta/
[00:10] <acicula> i need jaunty for better support for the Gm45 chipset and intel 5100 driver :/
[00:10] <Cycom> heh. and now the mirror drops to 200k/s or less.
[00:10] <bruce89> funkyHat: it can be disabled (thankfully)
[00:10] <jblackhall> josh-l: just posted that :)
[00:10] <funkyHat> bruce89: can the icon be enabled as well? if not I'll live with it but I'd like it
[00:10] <josh-l> jblackhall, oh missed it
[00:10] <bruce89> funkyHat: disabling the braindead thing re-enables the icon
[00:10] <Cycom> hey, anyone take a look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/totem/+bug/343067?  I'm hoping for a "confirmed" here.  All you need is an ISO image of a backed up DVD.
[00:10] <funkyHat> Also I hear fglrx is broken
[00:10] <funkyHat> bruce89: cool :)
[00:11] <bromic94> i might just download it tomorrow at work
[00:11] <josh-l> jblackhall, wait where
[00:11] <HolyScottie> well I'm DLing a CD version of kubuntu for my netbook.
[00:11] <bruce89> funkyHat: gconftool-2 -s -t bool /apps/update-notifier/auto_launch false
[00:11] <jblackhall> josh-l: 19:08
[00:12] <bruce89> jblackhall: I make it 00:12
[00:12] <funkyHat> bruce89: cheers, I'll make a note of that :)
[00:12] <Cycom> bruce89: does that return the actual icon, or...
[00:12] <funkyHat> Anyone know how the open source ati drivers are doing in Jaunty?
[00:13] <bruce89> Cycom: gets rid of auto-launching and re-enables the icon
[00:13] <Cycom> bruce89: great. I missed my icon :)
[00:13] <Cycom> bruce89: I understand the concept of trying to annoy the user as little as possible, but I would rather be annoyed and know when updates are there :)
[00:14] <Ienorand> May I, on the subject of upd-man advertise: http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/18460/
[00:14] <Cycom> HAHAHA! I'm UPLOADING the i386 image 2 to 3x the speed I'm DOWNLOADING it at!
[00:14] <bruce89> Cycom: I'm of the school of find auto-opening windows appearing being annoying
[00:14] <Cycom> bruce89: ditto.
[00:14] <Cycom> "whoops, clicked something on a window that just popped open.  pity I couldn't read it first"
[00:15] <bruce89> even if they are in the background
[00:15] <Do``> crdlb: bsnider: thanks for your help, i think i'll continue tomorrow with a brute force check to see which folders removed from my home directory fixes the login. thanks once again
[00:15] <bruce89> also why the new notifications are useless too
[00:15] <bsnider> bruce89, what problem do you have with the notification system?
[00:15] <funkyHat> I really like notify-osd though, I've been using it in 8.10 for a couple of weeks
[00:15] <bruce89> no features
[00:16] <bruce89> no queuing
[00:16] <bruce89> no theming
[00:16] <fosco__> but they are nice :)
[00:16] <bruce89> essentially requires compositing
[00:16] <thewrath> i am getting really slow download speeds but i think that is becuase of our neetwork here
[00:16] <thewrath> nad how its set up
[00:17] <bruce89> can't be attached to widgets
[00:17] <Cycom> somebody on the torrent is loving me about now.
[00:17] <thewrath> why
[00:17] <thewrath> why do you say taht Cycom
[00:17] <Cycom> they got 287kb/s from me for a minute or two :)
[00:18] <Cycom> I haven't changed my limites or anything, I think the segment finished.
[00:18] <Cycom> limits*
[00:18] <bsnider> bruce89, what sort of features do you want the system to have?
[00:18] <mickstephenson> 16kb/s :( 2 days, 12 hours remaining
[00:18] <bruce89> bsnider: the ones the old one had; attaching to widgets, and actions
[00:18] <bruce89> bsnider: timeouts
[00:18] <bsnider> i like it the way it is
[00:19] <bruce89> and the fact that programs have to be patch to "work"
[00:19] <Cycom> the amd64 torrent seems pretty dead.
[00:19] <josh-l> yeah totally
[00:19] <bsnider> but i have a real graphics driver so i guess the compositing thing doesn't bother me
[00:20] <Cycom> is there not a seed for it?
[00:20] <bruce89> gnome-mount now has a window that appears when a drive is being unmounted because notify-osd doesn't do timeouts
[00:20] <JediMaster> where would be a good place to ask about setting up ubuntu for a complicated network (multi link ppp over tcp/ip)?
[00:21] <josh-l> Cycom, oddly not
[00:22] <Cycom> josh-l: that's problematic.
[00:22] <josh-l> indeed
[00:22] <Cycom> would it be possible for me to just dump my completed iso in the folder where the torrent is and seed that?
[00:22] <Cycom> (once it downloads from a proper mirror)
[00:22] <bruce89> yes
[00:22] <Halow> Cycom: Yeah. I did that once or twice.
[00:23] <Cycom> ok. I'll do that if the dvd image finishes in a timely fashion.  looking at about 4 hrs right now.
[00:23] <josh-l> wow
[00:23] <josh-l> im looking at 2
[00:24] <Doctor_Nick> JOOSE
[00:26] <P3ngv1n-Fvck3r> yes..finally.. downloading beta now :D
[00:26] <Cycom> is there anything new from yesterday on the update mirrors?
[00:28] <thewrath> how big are the betas
[00:28] <thewrath> other sites that have them on torrents i see are like 500-=700MB
[00:28] <Cycom> 4.3gb for x86 and x64, I think
[00:28] <thewrath> on the ubuntu its 4.3Gb
[00:28] <thewrath> whats the different between teh two
[00:29] <thewrath> https://isohunt.com/torrents/?ihq=Ubuntu shows 9.04 betas being 500-700MB
[00:29] <bruce89> sigh
[00:29] <bruce89> one's a DVD ISO, the other is a CD
[00:29] <Cycom> thewrath: likely fake.
[00:29] <thewrath> oh ok
[00:29] <Cameron> is the beta out ?
[00:29] <Doctor_Nick> is ther a torrent
[00:30] <Cameron> I can see DVDs here http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/jaunty/beta/ but no CD ISOs
[00:30] <thewrath> beta is out
[00:30] <Cycom> perhaps it's time to update the topic?
[00:30] <thewrath> Cycom: most likely
[00:30] <thewrath> clear
[00:31] <thewrath> wow i started at 12.1kb
[00:31] <jblackhall> josh-l: whoops, I thought that was the releases.ubuntu.com link.  my mistake
[00:31] <thewrath> lol
[00:32] <jblackhall> Cameron: http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/9.04/
[00:32] <Cameron> jblackhall: taa
[00:32] <HolyScottie> I am getting a 250kb dl
[00:32] <thewrath> i am at o B/s
[00:32] <thewrath> this is rediculous
[00:32] <HolyScottie> I need to get 3 iso's
[00:32] <thewrath> the servers will mostl likely go down
[00:33] <HolyScottie> for the ps3, the netbook, and possibly my desktop
[00:33] <thewrath> just bc of all the triffic
[00:33] <thewrath> wh y is it do big
[00:33] <HolyScottie> then I will have th DL all 3 again because I am DLing fakes
[00:33] <bruce89> jigdo!
[00:33] <o0Chris0o> HolyScottie: now that would be funny
[00:34] <HolyScottie> oh well
[00:34] <HolyScottie> but I have a change of getting them sooner and quicker
[00:34] <HolyScottie> I'll just compare md5's before I comit to installing
[00:34] <Cycom> I'm rather suprised that amd64 is seeing so little activity on the torrent.
[00:34] <thewrath> wow
[00:35] <HolyScottie> but there are no release notes yet with known issues?
[00:35] <thewrath> i have amd64 aand i386
[00:35] <thewrath> the machinet hat will get this relaese of ubuntu on it will be the i386
[00:35] <thewrath> when will i be able to do my update to my alpha relase
[00:36] <bruce89> !jigdo
[00:36] <thewrath> bruce89: i can do sud apt-get dist-upgrade?
[00:36] <thewrath> what all in the release
[00:37] <bruce89> thewrath: sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude safe-upgrade
[00:37] <bazookatooth> whats going on w/ the beta release?
[00:37] <thewrath> whats the safe upgrade?
[00:38] <thewrath> bruce89:
[00:39] <aschmitz> thewrath: safe-upgrade doesn't remove packages in order to do the upgrade, even if it thinks it should.
[00:39] <thewrath> is that good everytime>
[00:39] <aschmitz> thewrath: It's safer with a beta/etc upgrade, but it's not necessarily best.
[00:40]  * bruce89 just uses aptitude's UI, so I know what it is doing
[00:40] <khear> can i use the usb-creator available from intrepid repositories to get the jaunty iso image on a usb stick?
[00:40] <Cycom> khear: worked fine for me. your milage my vary
[00:41] <HolyScottie> so does this mean I had a heads up on the right version?
[00:41] <bruce89> !usb-creator intrepid-backports
[00:41] <bruce89> !info usb-creator intrepid-backports
[00:41] <bruce89> !info usb-creator intrepid-updates
[00:41] <khear> Cycom: thanks, i'll give it a try then
[00:41] <thewrath> i know there are freezes on stuff
[00:41] <thewrath> like the resposititories
[00:41] <thewrath> teh restricted moduels in particular when willt eh freeze be lifted?
[00:42] <bruce89> after release
[00:42] <thewrath> the final whcih is what april 23?
[00:42] <bruce89> !schedule
[00:45] <cousteau> why isn't there any jaunty beta desktop CD yet?
[00:45] <bazookatooth> baw
[00:45] <LjL> cousteau: says who there isn't?
[00:46] <bruce89> bazookatooth: I didn't know you could speak 'Weegie
[00:46] <o0Chris0o> LjL: is the source available through apt-get?
[00:46] <LjL> o0Chris0o: what source?
[00:46] <cousteau> there's a MID edition, Notebook-remix, and even a SD card version, but I can't find the desktop CD
[00:46] <LjL> cousteau: /topic
[00:46] <Cycom> I think he means they are DVD images, not CD images
[00:46] <cousteau> "there" = http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/jaunty/beta/
[00:46] <LjL> Cycom: no, there are CD images
[00:46] <LjL> cousteau: type /topic
[00:47]  * cwillu burns an 8.10 livecd
[00:47] <o0Chris0o> LjL: whatever it uses to download/install through apt-get
[00:47] <cousteau> ok, ok, I just saw it
[00:47] <bazookatooth> are all of the issues cleared up w/ ext4?
[00:47] <LjL> o0Chris0o: i'm not following you
[00:47] <cwillu> bazookatooth, a while ago
[00:47] <o0Chris0o> LjL: if I do sudo apt-get dist-upgrade I still get nothing
[00:47] <LjL> o0Chris0o: apt-get dist-upgrade will *never* upgrade you to a new release.
[00:48] <thewrath> bruce89: how faster after the release is stuff released
[00:48] <o0Chris0o> hrmm
[00:48] <LjL> besides, Jaunty isn't out, so it'll never upgrade unless you explicitly specify it
[00:48] <LjL> !upgrade | o0Chris0o
[00:48] <LjL> and DON'T UPGRADE unless it's a test system.
[00:48] <cwillu> bazookatooth, specifically, sane but incorrect programs have a workaround in place in the kernel to make them work properly, and insane and incorrect programs were always broken, and so remain broken
[00:48] <Cycom> LjL: I'm looking at the mirror right now.  there are mid and netbook remix USB images, and the liveDVD images.  NOT cd images.
[00:48] <thewrath> where can i see the features in jaunty
[00:48] <bruce89> thewrath: not very
[00:48] <LjL> Cycom: " ubuntu-9.04-beta-desktop-i386.iso " sounds like a desktop CD image to me.
[00:48] <cwillu> bazookatooth, none of the major packages are in the 'insane and incorrect category'
[00:49] <thewrath> the reason i ask bruce89 is there is sometihng in there that i am waiting for for the computer i am on now when i boot into ubuntu
[00:50] <fosco__> thewrath, http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/jaunty/beta
[00:50] <bruce89> thewrath: being?
[00:50] <cousteau> (http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/9.04/ and not http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/jaunty/beta/)
[00:50] <Cycom> LjL: AHA! I was looking at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/jaunty/beta/
[00:50] <thewrath> it deals with a bug hold on let me get it for u
[00:50] <LjL> meh
[00:50] <o0Chris0o> LjL: hmm its not listed on how to upgrade
[00:50] <LjL> there's a REASON i said to look at the /topic
[00:50] <LjL> o0Chris0o: no, of course it's not. it's not out.
[00:50] <thewrath> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/305907
[00:50] <LjL> ^^^^
[00:50] <Cycom> LjL: well for the past three hours people have been pointing to the cdimage mirrors.
[00:50] <thewrath> bruce89: that is the bug that one of the restricted modules helps me with
[00:50] <o0Chris0o> LjL: well I know this...I want the beta
[00:50] <o0Chris0o> lol
[00:50] <o0Chris0o> I am asking how do I upgrade to it
[00:50] <Cycom> which brings us to the point: why DOES the cdimage mirror have only the dvds?
[00:51] <cousteau> o0Chris0o: sudo update-manager -d, I think
[00:51] <dan457> o0Chris0o, ok just het alt-f2 and type in update-manager -d
[00:51] <cousteau> or download, mount and install the alternate CD
[00:51] <dan457> -d makes it show devel versions....
[00:51] <bruce89> o0Chris0o: or indeed do-release-upgrade -d for a CLI version
[00:52] <cousteau> I mean, download, mount and run it
[00:52] <cousteau> (it includes an upgrade program)
[00:52] <thewrath> what do yoiu think of that bruce89 ?
[00:52] <o0Chris0o> didnt' work
[00:53] <cwillu> LjL, what do you suppose the odds are that somebody could note in the release notes the existence of the magic sysrq key combo for killing whatever is on the current vterm as a replacement for ctrl-alt-backspace?
[00:53] <bruce89> thewrath: not fixed until "Fix Released"
[00:53] <thewrath> true
[00:53] <thewrath> but he said unofficially its in there
[00:54] <bruce89> one way to find out
[00:54] <thewrath> what does Triaged mean
[00:54] <thewrath> what is that bruce89 ?
[00:54] <LjL> cwillu: almost the same as the chances that we won't use the new sysrq factoid enough times a day to know it by heart
[00:54]  * cwillu parses
[00:54] <bruce89> thewrath: It's been looked at
[00:54] <thewrath> i mean fix committed?
[00:55] <LjL> cwillu: "very low"
[00:55]  * cwillu parses that as "slim to nil"?
[00:55] <LjL> cwillu: yes, that works too
[00:55] <bruce89> thewrath: in revision control
[00:55] <bruce89> not yet packaged
[00:55] <thewrath> as well as triage\d
[00:55] <thewrath> where can i find where a ll the bug stsus are
[00:56] <Cycom> out of curiosity, how can you tell if you're still on alpha6 or on the beta?
[00:56] <o0Chris0o> ok....I have alpha 6, how do I upgrade to beta? Do I have to download the iso?
[00:56] <bruce89> thewrath: at the top
[00:56] <LjL> o0Chris0o: you don't have to do anything. you're already running the beta.
[00:57] <bruce89> Cycom: you don't really
[00:57] <thewrath> what all the status mean
[00:57] <o0Chris0o> LjL: :D oh lol
[00:57] <LjL> Cycom: just ensure you're up to date on synaptic or apt-get.
[00:57] <bruce89> may have to say it here too
[00:57] <LjL> o0Chris0o: you didn't *specify* you were already on Jaunty to begin with...
[00:57] <Cycom> LjL: bruce89: but there's nothing like the debian-version file for ubuntu?
[00:57] <bruce89> It's just a load of people agreeing that a specific versions of packages are to be jointly called a beta
[00:57] <o0Chris0o> LjL: sorry for the confusion
[00:57] <LjL> Cycom: lsb_release -a might or might not show it, i don't know
[00:58] <Cycom> LjL: nope! just Release: 9.04 and Description: Ubuntu jaunty (development branch)
[00:58] <Riesh> Before i got daily several updates, but now already two days no updates. How come? ... bugs get more difficult to repair ?
[00:58] <bruce89> Cycom: sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude safe-upgrade
[00:58] <bruce89> Riesh: beta freeze
[00:59] <Riesh> bruce89: meaning?
[00:59] <bruce89> !freeze
[00:59] <Cycom> bruce89: 0 packages upgrade, newly installed, etc.
[00:59] <cwillu> Riesh, basically, we stop accepting updates except for the most critical, so that we can have a relatively known good cd for people to work with
[00:59] <bruce89> Riesh: no packages are allowed in unless they fix something that's needed for the beta
[01:00] <danbeck> where is bazookatooth
[01:00] <Cycom> bruce89: so there's no major changes since yesterday?
[01:00] <bruce89> Cycom: meaning you have the latest updates
[01:00] <bruce89> Cycom: evidently not
[01:00] <o0Chris0o> LjL: for future reference whats the command I can input into the terminal to see what version I have?
[01:00] <Cycom> bruce89: ok cool :)
[01:00] <LjL> o0Chris0o: lsb_release -a, but as Cycom just said, that doesn't really tell you whether you're on an alpha or a beta
[01:01] <thewrath> where can i find what all the bug status' mean./ i dont see it at the top bruce89
[01:01] <Riesh> Hmmm, OK thanks guy for this explenation
[01:01] <maxb> At some point in the next ~24 hours or thereabouts, I'd expect a sudden burst of updates when the freeze is lifted :-)
[01:01] <joerlend_> I just visited cdimage.u-c to look for beta images, and I found only DVDs for i386 and 64bit.. Are CD images on their way, or have they been dropped?
[01:01] <Cycom> I still can't get anyone to confirm my bug.
[01:01] <danbeck> confirmed
[01:01] <Riesh> s/guy/guys :-)
[01:01] <bruce89> thewrath: https://help.launchpad.net/Bugs/Statuses
[01:01] <Cycom> joerlend_: check the mirror in the /topic rather than whichever one you're on.
[01:01] <cwillu> Cycom, what bug?
[01:01] <Xisdibik> dtchen: by any chance did your fix for the sound get put into the beta?
[01:01] <thewrath> https://help.launchpad.net/Bugs/Statuses
[01:01] <Cycom> cwillu: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/totem/+bug/343067
[01:02] <dan457> Xisdibik, no it did not.
[01:02] <joerlend_> Cycom: ah. Thanks :) It's weird, though, that cdimage.ubuntu.com has all other types of images but cd images? :)
[01:02] <Xisdibik> dan457: will it be in the final release? :p
[01:02] <Cycom> joerlend_: that's what I said! LjL take note! :)
[01:03] <LjL> Cycom: i don't make the website, i just make the TOPIC :P
[01:03] <Cycom> cwillu: I was a little bothered that all I could get was a "works fine here"
[01:03] <r0b> is the beta out yet?
[01:03] <HolyScottie> topic
[01:03] <joerlend_> r0b: yes.
[01:03] <dan457> Xisdibik, I'm sure it will be in one of the updates soon.  I just downloaded and installed his myself so i'm technicaly running a newer kernel than the beta.
[01:04] <cwillu> Cycom, set the status back to new or confirmed if you need more information from the people who asked you for more information
[01:04] <dan457> My sound is clearer with his kernel update
[01:05] <Xisdibik> dan457: have you by any chance noticed any graphical bugs with the beta/alpha?
[01:05] <Xisdibik> most prominant in Skype
[01:05] <cwillu> Cycom, that said, investigate the synaptic for packages that might be related to the line "missing plugin:  ..."
[01:05] <thewrath> dan457: what kernal update
[01:05] <dan457> Xisdibik, I don't use skype here, but on one intel laptop some... on my other boxes, none.
[01:05] <thewrath> that one that ocmes iwht 9.04 beta
[01:05] <Cycom> cwillu: the person who needed more information suggested I assign it to upstream and then appears to have unsubscribed.
[01:06] <cwillu> Cycom, doesn't change what you need to do
[01:06] <Halow> Xisdibik: What kind of graphical bugs? I use Skype (sometimes).
[01:06] <dan457> thewrath, http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~dtchen/
[01:06] <Cycom> cwillu: the missing plugin problem only appears with gstreamer, and appears unrelated, since totem-xine plays the dvd fine.
[01:07] <Xisdibik> Halow: when i bring up a chat window from being minimized to panel,  some of the text is distoryed into lines (looks like someone had fun with the eraser+paint tool or something from gimp
[01:07] <thewrath> oh ok
[01:07] <Xisdibik> Halow: reminimizing/maximizing doesnt fix it, but scrolling up past it, and back down does.
[01:07] <thewrath> dan457: my audio in 9.04 will work through headphoens only and not through the computer speakers
[01:07] <cwillu> Cycom, so what?
[01:07] <thewrath> would that fix it?
[01:07] <cwillu> Cycom, xine is the workaround, and I'm telling you that it seems like the plugin issue might be related to the core of the problem
[01:07] <cwillu> Cycom, do you have ubuntu-restricted-extras installed?
[01:07] <dan457> thewrath,  not sure if your bug was included in that fix.  would not hurt to try it.
[01:07] <Cycom> cwillu: and medibuntu.
[01:08] <Halow> Xisdibik: Hm. That's not happened to me. I've only noticed the notification area icon acts funny.
[01:08] <dan457> thewrath, it fixed some stactic and poping for me here.  (ati/intel HD audio)
[01:08] <Xisdibik> Halow: that happens if you use Black as the background color (even if u have an image overlayed on top),  try changing it to blue or some other color, should fix it
[01:09] <Halow> Xisdibik: It tends to borrow from surrounding icons for me, no matter what panel color I use (which is usually transparent).
[01:09] <Xisdibik> Halow: not the panel color, the background color of the desktop, i know what u mean abot borrowing icons from the side, happened to me all the time in Linux Mint
[01:10] <josh-l> is ext4 pretty solid?
[01:10] <Xisdibik> Halow: and someone told me to try changing the background color, and it seemed to solve it, and havnt had the prob elsewhere
[01:10] <dan457> I wouldn't trust it to a mission critcal box yet
[01:11] <Halow> Xisdibik: Ah. I see. I've tried it with the default theme, but even that acts funny. I've never seen that icon behave with the large array of backgrounds I've thrown at it.
[01:11] <josh-l> dan457, how about for a desktop box
[01:11] <Xisdibik> Halow: id take the notification bug anyday over text in the chat boxes being distorted and unreadable sometimes ;D
[01:11] <dan457> josh-l, ya, it works ok enough for your desktop.
[01:11] <Xisdibik> Halow: though i am running on a netbook, so maybe its just a driver bug?
[01:12] <josh-l> cool good to know i'll be using it when i reinstall jaunty then dan457
[01:12] <Halow> Xisdibik: Could be! I blame Skype anyway. ;)
[01:12] <dan457> josh-l, make sure you reinstall grub if updating or you cannot boot ext4
[01:13] <dan457> josh-l, clean install of course not an issue.
[01:13] <josh-l> dan457, I was just going to install ext4 from first install, is that not possible yet?
[01:13] <Xisdibik> dan457: ext4 is bootable now?
[01:14] <dan457> Xisdibik, yes, with the new grub.
[01:14] <dan457> Xisdibik, from alpha5 or beta disk.
[01:14] <r0b> the update-manager -d doesnt show the beta upgrade option?
[01:14] <Xisdibik> im getting the beta iso as we speak D:
[01:14] <josh-l> dan457, so from a clean install it will boot right up (clean install from beta?)
[01:14] <dan457> Xisdibik, then you are fine.
[01:14] <dan457> josh-l, yes
[01:14] <josh-l> ah cool
[01:15] <cwillu> Xisdibik, yes, grub grew ext4 support
[01:15] <dan457> josh-l, I had ext4 booting fine a couple apha's ago
[01:15] <josh-l> sweet
[01:16] <Xisdibik> dan457: you been seeing noticible speedup from having boot be ext4?
[01:16] <dan457> This box is still ext3, I have 1 ext4, and the rest boot XLS
[01:16] <Halow> Been booting ext4 since I started playing with the alphas (a4).
[01:16] <dan457> Xisdibik, its a bit faster.  not huge for me though.
[01:16] <cwillu> dan457, you boot off excel spreadsheets? :p
[01:16] <Cycom> is there a way to disable gvfs-acrhive backend?
[01:17] <dan457> oops.. lol
[01:17] <r0b> how do i upgrade to the beta from the alpha, update-manager -d doesnt show the upgrade option to beta?
[01:17] <Xisdibik> lolol
[01:17] <cwillu> r0b, the beta is the same release as the alpha, if you update in update-manager, then you're running the beta
[01:17] <Xisdibik> cwillu: Spreadsheets are the new thing, get with the program  ;)
[01:17] <maxb> r0b: alpha -> beta is not a distribution upgrade, it's just some updates
[01:17] <JanPeter> so the only differences between the alpha6 and beta= cloud computing and mail servers?
[01:18] <r0b> ok then i didnt get any updates, whats up with that
[01:18] <JanPeter> I haven't had anything on my update manager in days either..
[01:18] <dan457> XFS is what I ment to say earlier
[01:18] <cwillu> JanPeter, because we've been in freeze for the beta, only critical bug fixes are being allowed until after the beta is released (i.e., just now), so that the beta is in a known-good condition
[01:19] <josh-l> whats your download rates from torrent right now?
[01:19] <dan457> 400kps
[01:19] <danbeck> anyone in here with a mini9 having any luck with the beta?
[01:19] <tuxxy__> what has the beta been released
[01:19] <JanPeter> looks like im keeping alpha 6 til april
[01:19] <dan457> About to be seeding... going to leave that up for a wile.
[01:20] <josh-l> dan457, ubuntu, or a variation
[01:20] <cwillu> JanPeter, reread what I just said to r0b
[01:20] <JanPeter> yeah i heard
[01:20] <dan457> josh-l, the main CD's.. 32 and 64 bit
[01:20] <cwillu> so, if you've updated, then you're running the beta
[01:20] <JanPeter> i meant beta i guess
[01:20] <JanPeter> but not a huge difference
[01:20] <r0b> no updates http://pastebin.com/m93cc38b
[01:20] <tuxxy__> why do I have no updates
[01:20] <r0b> shouldnt there be updates from alpha to beta?
[01:20] <JanPeter> because technically the beta was reached a few days ago
[01:21] <cwillu> r0b, you already got them, the last time you updated
[01:21] <cwillu> things slow down the days before a release, they don't speed up
[01:21] <josh-l> dan457, dvds right
[01:21]  * crdlb wonders why there are so many first-timers this cycle :P
[01:21] <crdlb> was intrepid really that bad?
[01:21] <dan457> josh-l, no the CD's
[01:22] <cwillu> no, it was that good, and we're gaining market share :p
[01:22] <josh-l> dan457, i dont see them available
[01:22] <dan457> josh-l, then you are looking at the wrong site
[01:22] <cwillu> josh-l, don't go looking for images on cdimage.ubuntu, that's not where they are
[01:22] <cwillu> read the topic :)
[01:22] <dan457> josh-l, http://releases.ubuntu.com/jaunty/
[01:22] <JanPeter> been messing with ubuntu for years, just never stayed with it for more than a few months before checking out other distros
[01:22] <Hobbsee> crdlb: i presume it's because of the new notifications, or something.  or just general bling
[01:24] <bruce89> funny, as I find it all rather painful
[01:24] <crdlb> heh, 600KB up 150KB down :(
[01:30] <dan457> i386 down, amd64 to go......
[01:44] <sagredo> anyone get compiz working on 9.04?
[01:44] <dan457> Yes
[01:44] <sagredo> dan, can you advise me as to how
[01:44] <scream> How do I Alpha 6 -> Beta
[01:44] <sagredo> ?
[01:44] <scream> Upgrade that way?
[01:45] <cwillu> scream, have you updated recently?
[01:45] <bruce89> arggh
[01:45] <cwillu> scream, if so, then you're on the beta
[01:45] <dan457> sagredo, just turned it on and it worked for me.  lol
[01:45] <cwillu> scream, your penance will be to stick around here for 10 minutes, and answer that same question once per minute :p
[01:45] <sagredo> dan457: nice
[01:45] <dan457> running nvidio here though
[01:45] <dan457> nvidia
[01:46] <sagredo> nice
[01:46] <cwillu> ne2k is a 10mbit card, isn't it?
[01:46] <scream> cwillu, my system is up to date then, I'm beta.
[01:46] <scream> I'll make an alias to answer the question.\
[01:46] <dan457> Yes scream
[01:47] <scream> brb
[01:47] <JanPeter> they could mention something with the release notes about alpha -> beta
[01:47] <JanPeter> only makes sense..
[01:47] <dan457> All my boxes are beta now.  just downloading the CD's for my case.....
[01:48] <bruce89> they just assume people understand
[01:49] <dan457> most of the time I install from usb.  faster, more reliable, and I can add the updates already....
[01:49] <dan457> bruce89, but with a growing user base, always plenty of new ppl. who don't know...
[01:50] <bruce89> dan457: it's been that way for 4.5 years now
[01:50] <dan457> This is the most stable pre-release i've seen in a wile.  I'm sure a lot more will be tempted to grab it than usual.
[01:51]  * bruce89 just hopes people realise that auto-launching is crazy
[01:51] <lifi> were there any updates since beta release?
[01:51] <JanPeter> no
[01:51] <billybigrigger> lol beta release was what? an hour ago?
[01:51] <dan457> lifi, no wait a day or 2 and you will see updates again
[01:51]  * cwillu hopes that nobody listens to bruce89 
[01:52]  * JanPeter listens carefully
[01:52]  * bruce89 doesn't say anything,
[01:52]  * cwillu doesn't either
[01:52]  * cwillu listens to the crickets
[01:52]  * dan457 is just sitting here watching ppl leach .....
[01:53]  * cwillu whittles a jackalope out of his stick
[01:53]  * cwillu wonders why jackalope isn't in jaunty's dictionary
[01:53] <bruce89> although I will say random windows appearing is not a good thing
[01:54] <dan457> lol, good point
[01:54]  * cwillu pokes bruce89 with a jackalope
[01:54] <cwillu> bruce89, ... in the background
[01:54] <cwillu> with a nice pulsating taskbar entry requesting attention, with clear and easy to understand words explaining the situation
[01:54] <crdlb> cwillu: only through a non-standard interpretation of the EWMH :)
[01:55] <cwillu> shush you :p
[01:55] <crdlb> there is on requirement that no-focus-on-map actaully put the windowin the background
[01:55] <crdlb> s/on/no/
[01:56] <cwillu> although there's no other sane way to handle it
[01:56] <bruce89> turning the window list into another notification area seems rather pointless also
[01:56] <Cycom> what controls how gvfs handles files, and which files it handles?
[01:56] <Cycom> I'm trying to figure out why isos are automounted.
[01:56] <cwillu> hal
[01:56] <cwillu> is responsible for that
[01:56] <JanPeter> i cant do that for you dave
[01:57] <cwillu> but, boot off a live cd (or a live usb image), and verify your problem exists there as well
[01:57] <Cycom> cwillu: does this include mouting of isos though?
[01:57] <crdlb> nautilus actually does it afaik
[01:57] <dtchen> Xisdibik: no, it's queued in the next linux upload
[01:57] <jtisme> today is 3/26 does anyone know why the daily-live image has a date of 3/24 i think it should be 3/25 or was it not made last night
[01:58] <bruce89> GVFS's libarchive support to be technical
[01:58] <JanPeter> nope earlier
[01:58] <dan457> there was no daily made after the freeze
[01:58] <jtisme> dan457, oh, so what if anything is being made
[01:59] <thewrath> how r the servers doing
[01:59] <dan457> jtisme, daily builds and updates should resume tomorrow.
[01:59] <Cycom> crdlb: cwillu: bruce89: basically, if I open a dvd image in totem, it mounts it to .gvfs and doesn't play it.  It would play in 8.10.  If I open it with rythmbox (even though it's a DVD) it mounts it.  if I open it with vlc, it plays as a DVD. Archive Mounter mounts it, Archive Manager treats it like an archive and doesn't mount it.
[01:59] <Cycom> I just want to be able to play my isos like I could in 8.10 :)
[01:59] <jtisme> dan457, where is that release sched at url
[01:59] <crdlb> Cycom: oh, I misread
[01:59] <bruce89> Cycom: I see
[02:00] <crdlb> nautilus has nothing to do with that :)
[02:00] <crdlb> nor does hal
[02:00] <Cycom> crdlb: ok, so that eliminates one program :)
[02:00] <Cycom> crdlb: two even!
[02:00] <Doctor_Nick> iim downloading the ubuntu beta RIGHT NOW
[02:00] <Doctor_Nick> IM SO excited!!!!
[02:00] <JanPeter> why
[02:00] <crdlb> I didn't know gstreamer was capable of playing a dvd image
[02:00] <Cycom> crdlb: the actual mounting is done by gvfsd-archive as far as I can tell. moving it to gvfsd-archive.old means that it no longer mounts the iso.  It still doesn't play in totem.
[02:01] <Cycom> crdlb: yup, as of 8.10.
[02:01] <Cycom> crdlb: totem-gstreamer and totem-xine both work, though I prefer xine because it has better menu support.
[02:01] <Cycom> crdlb: 9.04 seems to have broken that feature.
[02:01] <bruce89> well, GVFS would mount it, then totem would play the mounted data
[02:01] <crdlb> well, xine means no gvfs, probably
[02:01] <Cycom> bruce89: only it doesn't.
[02:01] <bruce89> not as such
[02:02] <bruce89> Cycom: where's the bug?
[02:02] <Cycom> crdlb: only if you use totem-xine, and do a file open, it does indeed mount the iso.
[02:02] <Cycom> bruce89: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/totem/+bug/343067
[02:02] <crdlb> Cycom: right, but xine cannot natively use GIO
[02:02] <crdlb> so ithas to happen via the FUSE mount in ~/.gvfs
[02:02] <Cycom> crdlb: it didn't have to mount it with fuse or gvfs in 8.10.
[02:03] <Cycom> crdlb: heck, totem-xine would play stuff from sftp network share mounted in .gvfs just fine.
[02:03] <crdlb> yeah, xine can probably play dvd image directly, that's not surpising
[02:03] <crdlb> indeed, because of the fuse mount
[02:03] <crdlb> but it works far better to have native GIO
[02:04] <crdlb> anyway, file a bug I guess :)
[02:04] <bruce89> upstreaming would be useful
[02:04] <crdlb> oh, you did :P
[02:04] <bruce89> although it's difficult to see which package is causing this
[02:05] <dan457> sorry jtisme was afk... is the what you were looking for:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JauntyReleaseSchedule
[02:05] <Cycom> crdlb: in 9.04 if you do totem-xine dvd://<path-to-image> it plays fine as well.  It's only with the file open dialog, or if I just do totem-xine <path-to-dvd> without the dvd://
[02:05] <Cycom> bruce89: yeah. upstream it to where? I'm trying to figure out where this stuff is controlled.  I can't find anything useful in /etc.
[02:06] <bruce89> GNOME
[02:06] <bruce89> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/
[02:06] <Cycom> upstream it to gnome?
[02:06] <bruce89> mind, you'll need to know what package is causing it
[02:08] <Cycom> bruce89: how can I find that out?
[02:08] <bruce89> not sure really
[02:08] <Cycom> bruce89: the closest I've gotten is that gvfsd-archive is what mounts the iso.
[02:08] <jtisme> dan457, thanks
[02:08] <bruce89> currently could be totem, gvfs or gio
[02:09] <Cycom> bruce89: rythmbox does the same thing.
[02:09] <bruce89> ah, what occurs (error messages)
[02:09] <Cycom> none.
[02:10] <Cycom> it mounts it to the desktop and does nothing else.
[02:10] <bruce89> well, clearly it's totem's fault
[02:10] <bruce89> or not
[02:10] <crdlb> haha, totem even mounts my jaunty beta iso that just finished :D
[02:11] <Cycom> crdlb: see?! I'm NOT crazy!  I want to know what the guy who said "works fine here" and set the priority to low was running.
[02:13] <bruce89> perhaps bug readers can't cope with long and well written descriptions
[02:14] <crdlb> Cycom: try gst-launch-0.10 playbin uri=file:///path/to/image
[02:14] <Cycom> bruce89: in all seriousness, was I missing anything? was there anything I should've done that I missed so far?
[02:14] <crdlb> with that gvfs-archive thingy in place
[02:16] <bruce89> Cycom: seems fine to me
[02:17] <Cycom> bruce89: What seems fine to you?
[02:17] <bruce89> the bug descriptiom
[02:18] <Cycom> crdlb: ERROR: Pipeline doesn't want to pause.  ERROR: from element /GstPlayBin:playbin0/GstGnomeVFSSrc:source: Resource not found.
[02:18] <bruce89> gnome-vfs?
[02:19] <crdlb> that's my thought as well
[02:19] <bruce89> now we're getting somewhere
[02:19] <crdlb> why is ubuntu even installing that?
[02:19] <bruce89> some things still use it
[02:19] <crdlb> pfft
[02:19] <Cycom> btw, the gvfsd-archive file is in /usr/lib/gvfs/gvfsd-archive
[02:19] <Cycom> exactly the same as 8.10
[02:20] <crdlb> Cycom: uninstall gstreamer0.10-gnomevfs and try again
[02:21] <Cycom> crdlb: that removes totem-gstreamer too, fyi
[02:21] <crdlb> bah
[02:21] <crdlb> has totem not been ported yet? :/
[02:21] <bruce89> that's a bogus dependency
[02:22] <Cycom> crdlb: same error, also ent:typefind:could not determine type of stream
[02:22] <Cycom> I think that was there before and I just missed it.
[02:23] <Cycom> yeah, could not determine type of stream is there with gstreamer0.10-gnomevfs installed too.
[02:24] <Cycom> crdlb: if I change file:// to dvd:// it works though.
[02:25] <crdlb> yeah, but totem can't know to do that
[02:25] <Cycom> what, cast it as dvd?
[02:25] <bruce89> that's a xine thing
[02:27] <Cycom> it doesn't play well, but it plays.  If I do the dvd:// thing that is.
[02:27] <Cycom> doing dvd:// in totem-xine works fine, playback is smooth and I have menus.
[02:28] <crdlb> gstreamer hasn't had dvdnav support since 0.8, afaik
[02:29] <bruce89> crdlb: a new DVD plugin has been written
[02:29] <Cycom> if I do open location with dvd:// preceeding it, it also works fine.
[02:30] <crdlb> bruce89: with nav?
[02:30] <bruce89> yup, gst-inspect-0.10 resindvd
[02:30] <crdlb> cool
[02:31] <crdlb> it took long enough ...
[02:31] <bruce89> http://gstreamer.freedesktop.org/wiki/DvdPlayback
[02:31] <Cycom> I'd say the heck with it if my multimedia buttons worked in vlc, but they don't.
[02:31] <bruce89> Totem needs to support deinterlacing in the gstreamer backend, GST can do it anyway
[02:32] <Cycom> bruce89: totem-xine has deinterlacing, which is part of why I use it.
[02:32] <Cycom> menus work in totem-gstreamer for dvds in 8.10.
[02:32]  * crdlb generally doesn't watch interlaced videos
[02:33] <bruce89> I know, but GStreamer can do deinterlacing
[02:33] <crdlb> can it? last I saw those deinterlace plugins didn't really work well
[02:34] <bruce89> seems to have been fixed in trunk
[02:34] <Cycom> is there a way to get VLC to support the X keys for ff, rw, play, pause, etc.?
[02:35] <bruce89> or at least Totem uses playbin2 now
[02:36] <Cycom> I find it a bit worriesome that I can't find much in the way of docs on how the whole gvfs deal works, and what controls what it mounts.
[02:36] <bruce89> it mounts stuff when it's needed
[02:37] <Cycom> how does it determine when it's needed?
[02:37] <Cycom> what controls that?
[02:37] <bruce89> GTK+ in this case probably
[02:38] <bruce89> in the case from the filechooser
[02:38] <crdlb> the only thing the filechooser does is give it the uri
[02:38] <crdlb> in this case
[02:40] <clearscreen> I just upgraded from intrepid to jaunty. had some problems with nvidia drivers not being installed for new kernel.. got that solved... I'm now typing this from pidgin that automatically popped up, but oddly my gnome bars are missing and I cant rightclick my desktop. Help! :P
[02:40] <crdlb> awesome, it works
[02:41] <clearscreen> seems like something is going wrong with gdm, although the borders around pidgin are properly decorated etc
[02:41] <Cycom> crdlb: what works?
[02:41] <crdlb> dvdnav
[02:41] <cwillu> clearscreen, not gdm if x shows up and you can log in
[02:41] <bruce89> clearscreen: killall gnome-panel
[02:41] <cwillu> clearscreen, ctrl-alt-f2 work?
[02:41] <crdlb> also, my optical drive
[02:41] <clearscreen> cwillu: yup
[02:41] <histo> !info sdlmame jaunty
[02:41] <crdlb> which I thought might be toast
[02:41] <clearscreen> i can switch tty
[02:44] <Cycom> crdlb: :) yeah, but what about poor me stuck on 8.10 on my netbooks because they don't HAVE an optical drive and I can't play ISO images in totem in jaunty? Q_Q
[02:44] <cwillu> clearscreen, DISPLAY=:0 gnome-terminal from a tty, then switch back
[02:44] <clearscreen> bruce89: no process killed
[02:44] <bruce89> clearscreen: ah
[02:44] <crdlb> Cycom: mencoder
[02:44] <clearscreen> cwillu: failed to contact gconf daemon, exiting
[02:44] <crdlb> oh, wait netbook processor :P
[02:44] <clearscreen> wut
[02:44] <Cycom> crdlb: but I WANT special features :)
[02:44] <crdlb> Cycom: do it on your 16-core desktop then copy it over
[02:44] <crdlb> Cycom: weak
[02:44] <Cycom> crdlb: besides, it's a regression! It works in 8.10!
[02:44] <crdlb> I don't disagree
[02:44] <bruce89> no matter what, GStreamer's doing something stupid
[02:44] <cwillu> Cycom, then file the bug :p
[02:44]  * crdlb is now watching the first DVD he saw ... Office Space
[02:45] <Cycom> cwillu: I did. It got set to low priority by a guy who asked for more info, said "works fine here" and then seems to have unsubscribed himself.
[02:45] <cwillu> you know you've got a slow network when lzop isn't maxing out the cpu keeping up on a 400mhz processor
[02:45] <cwillu> Cycom, and have you done what I told you yet?
[02:45] <cwillu> Cycom, setting it back to 'new' or 'confirmed'?
[02:45] <Cycom> cwillu: upstreamed it?
[02:45] <Cycom> cwillu: yes. but I also tried talking to some people in here to see if I could figure it out myself.
[02:47] <Cycom> cwillu: crdlb and bruce89 were kind enough to help me troubleshoot it so I could refine my report.
[02:47] <bruce89> even though we probably just confused the situation
[02:47] <Cycom> bruce89: still better than "works fine here"
[02:47] <Cycom> at least you confirmed the behavior!
[02:48] <clearscreen> don't want to be annoying, but how the hell is it that my gconf daemon isn't running, gconf2 is installed according to aptitude
[02:52] <Cycom> dtchen: did those jacksense fixes go into the latest kernel release?
[02:52] <Cycom> dtchen: or do I still need to download your custom kernel?
[02:53] <dtchen> no, i have not submitted them, because they are incomplete
[02:53] <Cycom> dtchen: K!
[02:53] <dtchen> they appear to only enable the hp jack but not the internal speakers
[02:53] <cwillu> Cycom, try mkdir ~/gst.old; mv ~/.gstreamer* ~/gst.old; sudo gst-inspect-0.10
[02:55] <Cycom> cwillu: you want the output from gst-inspect in pastebin?
[02:56] <cwillu> Cycom, sure, and then try the iso again
[02:57] <Cycom> cwillu: http://paste.ubuntu.com/138678/
[02:58] <Cycom> opening the iso still mounts instead of playing.
[03:03] <clearscreen> Not making any sense :( http://pastebin.com/d16daa4d6
[03:05] <Cycom> oooh. also worth noting: the files inside of the mounted iso all have ;1 after their filename. so for example in folder VIDEO_TS is VIDEO_TS.BUP;1, VIDEO_TS.VOB;1, etc. etc.
[03:05] <aretg> hey guys, when i run pidgin, the regular pidgin icon doesn't appear in the notification area, only the new indicator icon
[03:09] <cwillu> bug #299956
[03:10] <histo> Trying to upgrade a server with the do-release-upgrade command and its notworking as the release notes say it should be?
[03:10] <histo> Errr... not really a server just a command line system.
[03:10] <clearscreen> Apparently this person had the same problem: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1065351&highlight=gconfd-2
[03:13] <m_tadeu__> hi all
[03:13] <m_tadeu__> I have no sound on flash videos under firefox
[03:25] <jauntyJOL> whats with the support message
[03:25] <jauntyJOL> "Jaunty is NOT RELEASED and NOT SUPPORTED, it will most certainly break your system in bad ways."
[03:25] <jauntyJOL> ...
[03:25] <Halow> It's still beta and in a testing phase.
[03:25] <Halow> And can/will mess you up.
[03:25] <jauntyJOL> ya but still
[03:25] <jauntyJOL> no need to be that cynical... mine runs just fine
[03:26] <Halow> :) Not everyone's so lucky.
[03:26] <jauntyJOL> lol
[03:26] <jauntyJOL> the new pidgen seems nice
[03:27] <o0Chris0o> 2.25?
[03:27] <jauntyJOL> n i love the notify, the install was easy and i have only few suggestions
[03:27] <jauntyJOL> not sure
[03:28] <SandGorgon> does it play nice with nVidia? I have a go7400 laptop...
[03:29] <jauntyJOL> i have ati, sry. it seems nice with mine
[03:29] <tuxxy__> nvidia is great
[03:29] <darthanubis> so is pulse still borked for you guys after beta release?
[03:30] <SandGorgon> is skype working for anyone - need it for work?
[03:30] <darthanubis> skype works for me
[03:30] <darthanubis> but pulse is broken
[03:30] <tomsdale> SandGorgon: no problem on kubuntu for me.
[03:30] <cwillu> SandGorgon, if you need a machine for work, you definitely shouldn't be running jaunty yet
[03:30] <darthanubis> and I stopped using skype to rid myself of any 32bitlibs
[03:30] <SandGorgon> cwillu: itchy fingers....
[03:31] <dtchen> darthanubis: should be fine after the next linux upload.
[03:31] <darthanubis> !pulse
[03:31] <tomsdale> darthanubis: there is also a 64bit version.
[03:31] <darthanubis> dtchen, thanks
[03:31] <tomsdale> !skype
[03:31] <SandGorgon> damn... i'm getting no peers on kubuntu alternate ISO
[03:31] <o0Chris0o> dtchen: thats great news, they are gonna use incorporate your patch I take it?
[03:32] <dtchen> o0Chris0o: already merged
[03:32] <cwillu> SandGorgon, okay, but you don't see how unwise that is?  "I need this program to work, or I can't do my job" == make sure you've got good backups and a second working machine before you should even think about upgrading
[03:32] <o0Chris0o> dtchen: cool
[03:34] <SandGorgon> cwillu: usually i have all my work on VMs.. so as long as virtualbox works I am fine - skype is sorely needed for communication. and as I said again... cant resist getting da shiny !
[03:34] <crdlb> don't say we didn't warn you
[03:34] <cwillu> SandGorgon, so run it in a virtual machine
[03:34] <cwillu> or hell, run _skype_ in a virtual machine
[03:35] <crdlb> run a jaunty in a virtual machine in a virtual machine!
[03:35] <cwillu> but don't upgrade without a fallback position
[03:35] <SandGorgon> cwillu: same issues as running it native...
[03:35] <crdlb> SandGorgon: hardly
[03:36] <cwillu> SandGorgon, let me put it this way:  in your situation, I wouldn't upgrade until the first sru's hit after release, at the earliest
[03:37] <Cycom> SandGorgon: don't do it.
[03:37] <cwillu> and even then, I'd be hesitant
[03:37] <Cycom> SandGorgon: stick with 8.10. 9.04 isn't that much more shiny.
[03:37] <Cycom> SandGorgon: certainly not enough to risk your ability to do your work.
[03:37] <cwillu> hell, dual boot it
[03:39] <Cycom> SandGorgon: I had jaunty eat my home folder because I ran ext4.  it's still rough around the edges.
[03:39] <darthanubis> I do find jaunty more pleasant ot look at with the scalable fonts
[03:39] <darthanubis> what kernel is jaunty using now?
[03:39] <darthanubis> 2.6.8-11?
[03:39] <SandGorgon> Cycom: oh... there's no way i'm gonna run ext4 - i am clear on that.
[03:40] <SandGorgon> darthanubis: do try the Droid fonts... u'll love them
[03:40] <Cycom> SandGorgon: you'll just run all the other BETA QUALITY SOFTWARE on your VERY IMPORTANT SYSTEM, right?
[03:41] <darthanubis> SandGorgon, ttf-droid pacakge?
[03:41] <SandGorgon> darthanubis: yup
[03:42] <ultratek> i just upgraded to ubuntu 9.04 beta and what do i do to get the ati drivers working for my hd 4850 under recovery mode..which tells my soemthing once i try to install over the last setup that it is incompatiable or something?
[03:43] <cwillu> """Upgrading a desktop system using an ATI video chipset with the fglrx binary-only driver may result in a warning that the driver needs to be replaced. There is a bug in the driver replacement logic, so if you see this prompt, please cancel the upgrade until this is fixed, which will happen immediately after the beta release. """
[03:43] <cwillu> from the beta release notes
[03:44] <ultratek> oops
[03:44] <ultratek> well guess iam stuck not booting ubuntu til april 23?
[03:45] <cwillu> should be able to revert to vesa, or maybe even just get the fglrx installed from the terminal by hand
[03:45] <ultratek> what is the cmd to get the default driver back?
[03:46] <cwillu> ultratek, I think you can just boot off the recovery kernel and run xfix
[03:46] <cwillu> failing that, setting xorg to use vesa should work
[03:46] <ultratek> cwillu, ixfix did not work...how would i tell xorg to use vesa from shell prompt
[03:47] <cwillu> ultratek, use the VESA driver by logging into a text console, running "sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf", and adding the line Driver "vesa" to the Device section.
[03:48] <cwillu> and read the release notes next time :p
[03:48] <ultratek> k ty
[03:48] <ultratek> =)
[03:49]  * cwillu suggests that the download link be hidden in the "known issues" section
[03:51]  * dan457 agrees
[03:57] <ultratek> cwillu, adding vesa did not fix it
[03:57] <o0Chris0o> I'm having issues networking with 2 Windows xp machines I see them in the network, but unable to connect
[03:58] <cwillu> ultratek, pastebin your /etc/X11/xorg.conf and /var/log/xorg.0.log files
[03:58] <cwillu> ultratek, apt-get install pastebinit
[03:58] <cwillu> to do that
[03:59] <ultratek> well i am on dual boot on windows now
[03:59] <ultratek> cwillu,
[03:59] <dan457> I'm having issues with samba as well, but nothing I cannot work around for now...
[04:00] <dan457> mostly the samba client.. server seems ok.
[04:01] <cwillu> ultratek, http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Jaunty_Installation_Guide might have useful information, I haven't tried it though
[04:01] <ultratek> cwillu, ty
[04:01] <armegadon> hi guys, is anyone getting weird fonts in jaunty beta?
[04:02] <cwillu> armegadon, huge or tiny?
[04:02] <armegadon> cwillu, a tiny bit smaller but distorted
[04:02] <cwillu> k, don't know then
[04:03] <cwillu> might want to post a screenshot to help explain though
[04:03] <cwillu> !imagebin
[04:04] <calc> armegadon: at some point jaunty defaulted back to 96 dpi
[04:04] <calc> due to bugs that couldn't be fixed in time for release, aiui karmic will go back to native dpi
[04:04] <armegadon> calc, do you know what the default was in intrepid?
[04:05] <calc> armegadon: intrepid default was hardcoded 96dpi which is what jaunty is now
[04:05] <billybigrigger> what is native dpi?
[04:05] <cwillu> billybigrigger, the native resolution of your screen
[04:05] <crdlb> the number of dots per inch in your actual monitor
[04:05] <billybigrigger> well i meant what was default dpi
[04:05] <billybigrigger> set to
[04:06] <crdlb> the idea is that fonts should be sized identically on all screens
[04:06] <billybigrigger> lol
[04:06] <billybigrigger> i know what dpi is
[04:06] <billybigrigger> what was the default value set to
[04:06] <cwillu> he just said:  96
[04:06] <billybigrigger> 96 is huge
[04:06] <crdlb> I don't think you do
[04:06] <crdlb> 96 is the hardcoded default
[04:06] <armegadon> calc, i didn't have any problems in intrepid, fonts were normal
[04:06] <crdlb> but for the brief period where it wasn't hardcoded, it was determined by your monitor
[04:07] <armegadon> cwillu, calc, here is a screenshot http://i43.tinypic.com/316rqfs.png
[04:09] <calc> billybigrigger: 96 isn't huge, most desktop monitors are roughly that dpi
[04:09] <calc> billybigrigger: we aren't talking about font pt size, we are talking about dpi (dots per inch)
[04:09] <billybigrigger> 96 looks like garbage on this laptop, i have laptop and my desktop both set to 80 iirc
[04:09] <billybigrigger> omg, i know what dpi is
[04:10] <billybigrigger> can you explain what dpi is to me one more time? i dont think i understand
[04:10] <calc> setting it to anything other than 96 until the bugs are fixed is a bit dumb, when the bugs are fixed it should be set to what the screen actually is, then just change the size of the fonts
[04:10] <calc> 72 pt is supposed to equal 1 inch
[04:10] <crdlb> I don't think you understand that you're not supposed to change the value
[04:10] <billybigrigger> nope, i did not know there was a bug against it
[04:10] <billybigrigger> anyone have the bug # handy?
[04:11] <calc> armegadon: not sure what font problem you are seeing in that screenshot?
[04:11] <billybigrigger> maybe i'll change back to 96
[04:11] <calc> billybigrigger: lots of bugs, each application has to use dpi numbers properly
[04:11] <armegadon> calc, i really don't know how to explain it, they're all just "off"
[04:11] <billybigrigger> armegadon, screenshot looks ok to me, but maybe im missing something
[04:11] <calc> armegadon: i'm not certain but it looks like font hinting might be off for you?
[04:12] <armegadon> calc, i tried changing the different hinting options, there are 4, none of them worked :/
[04:12] <calc> armegadon: hmm, not sure what the issue is, you could try filing a bug and see if the firefox guy can determine what is up
[04:14] <billybigrigger> 96 dpi with fonts all set to 10pt look terrible
[04:14] <billybigrigger> at least for me
[04:14] <calc> looks fine on my system which has native 125dpi
[04:15] <calc> i'm using the 96dpi setting though so i don't see bugs
[04:16] <billybigrigger> http://imagebin.org/43247
[04:16] <billybigrigger> thats 96dpi 10pt 1440x900
[04:24] <un2him> i cannot share folders on ntfs partition using jaunty beta...help!
[04:26] <dan457> set it manualy in samba.conf maybe?
[04:26] <un2him> dan457: ok, i will try it
[04:33]  * DanaG sets his 147DPI LCD to use.... 147 DPI.
[04:33] <DanaG> =
[04:33] <DanaG> =P
[04:33] <dan457> :-)
[04:34] <dan457> I upgraded this box wile the auto dpi option was still on, so at leaste one of my monitors is set
[04:34] <dan457> The other one (old crt) is still default though
[04:34] <DanaG> Why'd they turn it off?  It seems whe shall forever be stuck in the world of people thinking, "oh, to change font size, I should change DPI!"
[04:34] <DanaG> Wrong, Wrong, WRONG.
[04:35] <DanaG> =P
[04:35] <dan457> Bugs
[04:35] <dan457> I'm sure they will get it working again
[04:35] <DanaG> I haven't noticed any significant DPI-scaling bugs.
[04:35] <DanaG> Oh yeah, many desktop LCDs are around 88 DPI
[04:35] <dan457> Nor I, but prob didn't effect my driver...
[04:36]  * DanaG is using radeon.
[04:36] <dan457> nvidia here.  binary driver of course
[04:36] <DanaG> Weirdest LCD EDID I've ever seen: in a Toshiba, one that called itself 966x768.
[04:36] <DanaG> Yes, 966.  Somebody at Toshiba must've been drunk when coding that one up.
[04:36] <dan457> hmm
[04:36] <DanaG> Screws up even the Windows drivers!
[04:36] <dan457> I bet.
[04:37]  * DanaG is using radeon on his RV635.
[04:37] <DanaG> Works nicely for the things it does do so far.
[04:38] <dan457> build in video is ati, but sucked so bad with 9 that I went out and bought the nvidia 9800
[04:38] <dan457> Was ok with 8.10 though
[04:38] <DanaG> ...unlike fglrx, that merely panics.
[04:38] <dan457> Well, not true.
[04:38] <DanaG> For me, nvidia binary is sometimes unreliable.
[04:38] <dan457> Video playback sucked there.
[04:38] <DanaG> With fglrx, ANY and ALL versions newer than 8.543 cause a kernel panic.
[04:39] <dan457> I may pull the video card later and put it in a different box once ATI binary is working better.
[04:39] <dan457> On the other hand... running 2 monitors is growing on me.
[04:40] <calc> binary drivers are yuck :)
[04:40] <dan457> Now if they just fix the keyboard repeat issue resetting X when I run more than one screen......
[04:41]  * DanaG is in Windows right now; wanna' reboot to Linux now.
[04:43] <ultratek> cwillu, well got it up and running
[04:44] <ultratek> cwillu, so i cannot use the proprietary drivers for now?
[04:44] <ultratek> cwillu, i pasetbinit my xorg.conf file but the log wouldnt read
[04:45] <dan457> Wait one the binaries for now
[04:52] <DanaG> ARGH!  Damned firefox and fat32.
[04:52] <DanaG>  /.mozilla-firefox/PROFILES/Dana/places.sqlite
[04:52] <DanaG>   File size is 6455296 bytes, cluster chain length is > 6455296 bytes.
[04:52] <DanaG>   Truncating file to 6455296 bytes.
[04:52] <DanaG> Oh, file is longer than it says it is.... oh hey, LET'S TRUNCATE IT!
[04:52] <dan457> lol
[04:53] <DanaG> How stupid... and there's no way to tell it to leave the damned file the LONGER length.
[04:53] <Halow> Ouch...
[04:53] <DanaG> That's FAT32+Firefox.
[04:54] <DanaG> Unfortunately, Firefox keeps its grubby little hands all over the profile files every second, and never leaves them alone... thus, a system crash has like 70% probability of corrupting history, preferences, or both.
[04:55] <dan457> So don't use fat32.... or ext4 too for that matter.
[04:55] <DanaG> At least ext4 has a journal.
[04:55] <DanaG> So, if I put data=journal mode, you get either old preferences or new preferences... not NO preferences at all!
[04:55] <dan457> might be slower, but ext3 with data journaling enabled (not just meta data)
[04:56] <DanaG> Unfortunately, if I want to have my Firefox profile on an SDHC card to save battery life or such, I essentially HAVE to use fat32.
[04:56] <DanaG> If I use NTFS, my system won't boot with the card in.
[04:57] <dan457> What about ext or xfs?
[04:57] <DanaG> I also have to share the profile with Windows.
[04:57] <DanaG> And if I have more than one partition on a card, and happen to suspend to ram... then when I wake up the computer, it completely breaks the partition table!
[04:57] <dan457> ah
[04:57] <dan457> ext2
[04:57] <DanaG> There's ext2fsd.... but it causes the equivalent of a kernel oops upon resume from suspend.
[04:57] <dan457> but then same issue as fat32
[04:58] <DanaG> If I suspend, then when I resume, Firefox hangs unkillably, and anything that tries to touch that volume dies.
[04:58] <dan457> well, don't share the profile.. lol
[04:58] <DanaG> Find me some way to not have to change preferences and bookmarks in two places, then.
[04:58] <crdlb> my suggestion would be 'don't use windows'
[04:58] <DanaG> "Foxmarks" and such don't work -- they just hang.
[04:58] <crdlb> or at least don't try sharing a profile between them
[04:59] <crdlb> I'm actually kind of surpised that works at all
[04:59] <DanaG> Okay, then how do I synchronize preferences and bookmarks>
[04:59] <dan457> ummm, rsync script on startup/shudown to backup profile to disk....
[04:59] <DanaG> Works fine, except for that damned fat32.
[04:59] <cwillu> DanaG, colinux with a smb share where you store your firefox profile?
[05:00] <cwillu> then you can use ext3 or whatever
[05:00] <DanaG> http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20090115035623911
[05:00] <DanaG> er
[05:00] <DanaG> sorry, meant to dig for xkcd.
[05:00] <DanaG> http://xkcd.com/530/
[05:00] <WatchBot> DanaG: Please keep your links on topic and work safe.
[05:01] <DanaG> It IS work-safe.  =þ
[05:01] <cwillu> LjL, why is WatchBot complaining about xkcd links?
[05:01] <cwillu> """Warning: this comic occasionally contains strong language (which may be unsuitable for children), unusual humor (which may be unsuitable for adults), and advanced mathematics (which may be unsuitable for liberal-arts majors)."""
[05:01] <bazhang> its offtopic
[05:01] <cwillu> it's the mathematics, isn't it
[05:01] <DanaG> colinux... sounds like overly complicating things to me.
[05:02] <DanaG> Now, if that danged "foxmarks" thing didn't just error out and become unclosable (as in, neither OK nor Cancel buttons work)... then I could perhaps go that route.
[05:02]  * calc notes his work email lists occasionally quote xkcd, heh
[05:02]  * cwillu tests a theory
[05:02] <cwillu> http://questionablecontent.net/
[05:03] <cwillu> hmm
[05:04] <cwillu> bazhang, and I note now that this isn't #ubuntu-offtopic, which I thought it was :(
[05:07] <DanaG> Bigger issue is that partition-table corruption.
[05:07] <DanaG> ... and the fact that fsck.vfat INSISTS on truncating, ALWAYS.
[05:08] <DanaG> Frankly, I'd rather be given the option to choose to leave the extra, possibly-corrupt data on the end.
[05:10] <DanaG> hah, the only DPI issues I usually have... are with Firefox.
[05:10] <DanaG> It seems to round UP, ALWAYS, to the nearest multiple of 96.
[05:15] <keisangi> each time i put a blank dvd (dual layer) in my drive, the system freeze after few secs ..
[05:15] <keisangi> it worked fine on intrepid and hardy too
[05:15] <keisangi> is that a known problem ?
[05:16] <cwillu> keisangi, I haven't heard of it if that's what you mean, but I wouldn't be surprised to see a bug on it
[05:16] <cwillu> only dual-layers?
[05:16] <keisangi> i don't know i tryed only with DL (dual layer)
[05:17] <keisangi> even if i put it in the drive before the system boot up
[05:17] <cwillu> try a cd
[05:18] <cwillu> also, hard lock?  (i.e., does the capslock light still turn on and off?)
[05:18] <keisangi> once i login gnome, i see my desktop , but everything is frozen, even ctrl+alt+f1 to switch to terminal doesn't work
[05:18] <keisangi> and i can't kill X neither .. just seems completely frozen
[05:18] <cwillu> try it again, and see if capslock turns on and off, if it does, than the kernel isn't dead, which is good to know
[05:18] <keisangi> hardlock i guess, no capslock led
[05:19] <keisangi> numlock, capslock led aren't responding
[05:19] <cwillu> do you still have an older kernel installed?
[05:20] <cwillu> might be worth trying one if you can
[05:20] <keisangi> don't think so, aren't they automaticaly removed these days?
[05:20] <cwillu> either file, file a bug on launchpad.net (just against the linux package) with as much detail as you can
[05:21] <keisangi> ls /boot confirms: i only have vmlinuz-2.6.28-11-generic
[05:21] <cwillu> k
[05:21] <cwillu> could try downloading an 8.10 livecd and see if it works there
[05:21] <keisangi> i try filling a bug in launchpad
[05:21] <cwillu> migth be worth trying it from the 9.04beta livecd as well
[05:21] <keisangi> cwillu, i know it worked on intrepid and hardy
[05:22] <cwillu> keisangi, humour me :p
[05:22] <keisangi> i burnt quite a few
[05:22] <cwillu> that's nice, can you still check?  there's always a chance of a coincidental hardware failure
[05:22] <keisangi> not a chance
[05:23] <cwillu> you checked the voltages on your power supply this morning did you? :p
[05:23] <keisangi> hardware didn't change since last week, when it worked fine, only thing that changed is the upgrade to jaunty
[05:23] <cwillu> (seriously, the symptoms are identical to those experienced by a friend of mine, due to a faulty power supply)
[05:24] <keisangi> i have nothing in this machine, just harddisk and dvd drive.. could be hardly the insufficient power fault
[05:24] <keisangi> i use intel integrated gfx chip
[05:25] <keisangi> and onboard sound too
[05:25] <cwillu> faulty != insufficient
[05:25] <DanaG> If I can, at some point, get perfectly working Direct3D in VirtualBox, and have working OpenGL and power management on my radeon, then I could get rid of my native Windows.
[05:26] <scream> CTRL+ALT+BACKSPACE when enabled actually restarts the X server?
[05:26] <crdlb> correct
[05:27] <cwillu> scream, even with it disabled, you can still hit alt-sysrq-k to kill the xserver (which will leave gdm to restart it, exactly like ctrl-alt-backspace)
[05:28] <scream> k
[05:28] <DanaG> Doesn't work well with fglrx... leaves the card wedged in a bad state.
[05:29] <DanaG> So, it's better to re-enable ctrl-alt-backspace.
[05:29] <crdlb> you know what _does_ work with fglrx?
[05:29] <crdlb> crashing and freezing
[05:31] <DanaG> Oh heck, I just plain can't use fglrx at all.  Kernel panic.  Period.
[05:31] <crdlb> that's a crash
[05:32] <crdlb> if you have something new to add, please do so, otherwise don't :)
[05:33] <DanaG> oh yeah, I've gone back to the upstream notification app.
[05:34] <scream> What is the keyboard shortcut for a screen grab?
[05:34] <SandGorgon> scream: in a laptop alt-printscreen or fn-printscreen
[05:36] <teethdood> is the beta released yet? if yes, how do I know if I got it already?
[05:37] <scream> If you have updated recently, then you have it.
[05:38] <teethdood> ok, I guess the "released beta" just means the CD image
[05:38] <scream> I believe so.
[05:39] <keisangi> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/349366
[06:03] <clearscreen> My pidgin main window seems to be following all workspaces around (just in taskbar) even though it's set to "only on this taskbar"
[06:04] <crdlb> bug 346840
[06:04] <clearscreen> alright cool
[06:20] <Naynay> My gnome session keeps exiting for no reason. All my apps are switched off and I'm dumped out at the gdm login.
[06:21] <Naynay> Is this by design, or by way of testing bumping my X-session off because we're still in testing?
[06:22] <crdlb> heh
[06:23] <crdlb> Naynay: what kinds of things cause it?
[06:23] <Naynay> no idea whatsoever
[06:24] <crdlb> apparently the patch to xserver to enable timestamps in the logs has been causing lots of X crashes
[06:24] <Naynay> it's irritating.... i leave the computer running overnight to find that when I come back to the computer, I'm greeted with gdm
[06:24] <Naynay> As long as this isn't by design, I'm happy
[06:24] <crdlb> but this was discovered too late to put it in the beta, so hopefully they'll pull that patch soon
[06:25] <Naynay> I figured it would have been X crashing
[06:25] <crdlb> look in /var/log/gdm/:0.log*
[06:26] <Naynay> ok, hang on
[06:27] <crdlb> if any of them have a backtrace starting with a "glibc detected" error, then it's probably that bug
[06:27] <Naynay> yeah, there's one here
[06:27] <Naynay> hang on, shall I post the whole backtrace to irc?
[06:27] <crdlb> I don't think we need it
[06:28] <Naynay> I see this a lot:-
[06:28] <Naynay> get fences failed: -1
[06:28] <Naynay> param: 6, val: 0
[06:28] <Naynay> get fences failed: -1
[06:28] <Naynay> param: 6, val: 0
[06:28] <Naynay> exaCopyDirty: Pending damage region empty!
[06:29] <Naynay> Here's what I see before the backtrace:-
[06:29] <Naynay> *** glibc detected *** /usr/X11R6/bin/X: free(): invalid next size (fast): 0x0bc
[06:29] <Naynay> 8a858 ***
[06:29] <crdlb> that certainly looks like it
[06:30] <crdlb> could be a coincidence, but I doubt it. So wait and see if it still happens after the update
[06:30] <Naynay> when's the next update?
[06:30] <crdlb> your guess is as good as mine
[06:30] <Naynay> :)
[06:30] <Naynay> no problem... as long as it gets fixed I guess
[06:31] <crdlb> according to the bug, the update was queued a few days ago to be added post-beta
[06:31] <crdlb> and it's now post-beta :)
[06:32] <Naynay> wheee!
[06:36] <h00k> 'ello
[06:36] <nnutter> Is the Jaunty beta really only available as a DVD image? (Alpha 6 was a CD image.)
[06:37] <cwillu> nnutter, read the release notes
[06:37] <h00k> nnutter: no, its CD.
[06:37] <cwillu> nnutter, you're inventing your own url, and it's not the right one
[06:37] <h00k> hello cwillu
[06:37]  * cwillu pokes h00k with a stick
[06:37] <cwillu> must be beta time, eh? :)
[06:37] <h00k> cwillu: course
[06:37] <h00k> making the migration from Arch back
[06:37] <crdlb> cwillu: blame launchpad for teaching people to invent urls :D
[06:38]  * h00k blames launchpad.
[06:38] <crdlb> it's impossible to navigate that labrynth if you don't just make up the urls
[06:39] <nnutter> I found the CD image, thx to QPrime.
[06:39] <crdlb> hmm, butchered that word
[06:39] <nnutter> cwillu: w/e you say
[06:39] <cwillu> nnutter, you went to cdimage.ubuntu.com?
[06:39] <nnutter> unfortunately
[06:40]  * cwillu suggests http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/jaunty/beta instead :p
[06:40]  * h00k suggests the big link at www.ubuntu.com
[06:40] <h00k> which in turn points to cwillu's link
[06:40] <crdlb> Naynay: pending as of 2 minutes ago :D
[06:41]  * cwillu points h00k at the irc motd
[06:41] <nnutter> wow, I wasn't able to follow that
[06:41] <Naynay> sweet, hang on
[06:42] <crdlb> Naynay: it'll be a while, but watch for xserver-xorg-core 2:1.6.0-0ubuntu5
[06:42] <Naynay> uh, not quite yet at my mirror
[06:42] <Naynay> cheers big ears
[06:42] <crdlb> it still has to be built
[06:42] <Naynay> agh
[06:42] <h00k> cwillu: ah ha.
[06:43] <nnutter> Out of curiosity, what is the DVD image? Is that a snapshot of the official repository too or something?
[06:44] <cwillu> nnutter, I believe it includes most (all?) of main and restricted
[06:44] <nnutter> ok, ty
[06:44] <cwillu> might only be the pieces that correspond with a particular desktop (so the ubuntu dvd won't include kde, for instance)
[06:51]  * cwillu prepares to reboot his machine for the first time this year
[06:51] <cwillu> actually, I guess I need to wait until after this file copy finishes
[06:51] <h00k> cwillu: good luck, soldier!
[06:52] <cwillu> the joys of backing a machine up over a 10megabit connection
[06:53] <cwillu> slow enough that lzop isn't even saturating the processor :)
[06:53] <cwillu> should have used gzip
[06:54] <billybigrigger> hmm
[07:04] <ethana2> Jaunty won't let me install Empathy, says it's not for amd64
[07:04] <ethana2> ..I require empathy so I can use google video chat so I don't have to use my mac for skype instead
[07:05] <ethana2> what should I do?
[07:05] <crdlb> ethana2: what exactly is the error?
[07:06] <ethana2> Empathy Instant Messenger cannot be installed on your computer type (amd64). Either the application requires special hardware features or the vendor decided to not support your computer type.
[07:06] <ethana2> Canonical does not provide updates for Empathy Instant Messenger. Some updates may be provided by the Ubuntu community.
[07:06] <crdlb> that's odd
[07:06] <ethana2> The error said basically the same thing, but that's empathy's current description in gnome-app-install
[07:06] <wgrant> ethana2: Check your sources.list and apt-get update.
[07:07] <crdlb> it's open source, and I'm reasonably sure it's 64bit-clean, so I'd say there's something wrong with the repos
[07:07] <ethana2> k
[07:08] <ethana2> Could not download all repository indexes
[07:08] <ethana2> ohhhhhh, blast.
[07:08] <ethana2> it can't get the stuff because it can't write to the device
[07:08] <ethana2> this is a 4 GB flash drive.
[07:08] <ethana2> why the heck does it always have this problem?
[07:09] <crdlb> you filled it up?
[07:09] <ethana2> no.
[07:09] <ethana2> I think it has some swap file or something
[07:09] <ethana2> some rediculous default
[07:09] <crdlb> used ext4?
[07:09] <ethana2> FAT
[07:09] <ethana2> I'd use ext2 if it'd let me, but it won't
[07:10] <ethana2> I originally had a 3 GB ext2 partition on my flash drive, usb-creator was oblivious
[07:10] <crdlb> you're running jaunty on vfat? O_o
[07:10] <ethana2> I'm running Jaunty on whatever usb-creator gave me
[07:11] <ethana2> It is a FAT file system
[07:11] <ethana2> oh crap, now there's a race condition
[07:11]  * ethana2 plays whack a mole with his running processes
[07:12] <ethana2> ah, it was the software sources dialog
[07:13] <ethana2> crdlb: what should I do?
[07:13] <crdlb> not run linux on vfat :/
[07:13] <ethana2> How do I get usb-creator to use an ext2 file system?
[07:13] <ethana2> was the problem that it wasn't the only partition on my flash drive?
[07:13] <rww> ethana2: use unetbootin instead. usb-creator is a pain in the backside
[07:13] <ethana2> I had 1 G---
[07:14] <ethana2> unetbootin?
[07:14] <ethana2> I thought that was a network thing
[07:14] <ethana2> Can it be used for booting off flash drives?
[07:14] <bluefoxx> i'm having trouble booting my system now...
[07:14] <rww> ethana2: http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/
[07:15] <bluefoxx> its stuck at ' [478.701164]  IPMI: BT reset (takes 5 secs)
[07:15] <ethana2> ooohhhhhhhh
[07:15] <ethana2> that looks hopeful.
[07:16] <bluefoxx> after IPMI  BT: timeout in WR_CONSUME  [H2B] 1 retries left      and IPMI  BT:  timeout in XACTION  [H2B]  <4>failed 2 retries, sending error response
[07:16] <ethana2> so how do I get unetbootin to use ext2 instead of vfat?
[07:16] <ethana2> ..and if it's better than usb-creator, why doesn't ubuntu ship it instead?
[07:18] <bluefoxx> this is all after trying to boot, and it gets to '*Loading Manual drivers...'
[07:18] <bluefoxx> anyone?
[07:18] <ethana2> unetbootin uses FAT32.
[07:19] <ethana2> The only limitation of FAT32 that can't be emulated around is the 4 GB file limit
[07:19] <melik> this is so weird..
[07:19] <ethana2> that is the size of this flash dirve
[07:19] <melik> for the past 2-4 days
[07:19] <melik> ubuntu has found no updates at all :/
[07:20] <ethana2> melik: that's normal.  beta freeze.
[07:20] <melik> ohh thats why
[07:25] <bluefoxx> meh, i'll just boot windows onto the box in question...
[07:31] <corinth> Can someone point me to the CD for the 9.04 beta? I can only find the DVD iso.
[07:31] <crdlb> /topic :)
[07:31] <corinth> ....wow
[07:32] <corinth> Sorry about that. I jsut got home from a six hour concert.
[07:32] <corinth> It's past midnight for me, I'm quite tired. Thanks, crdlb. Lol...
[07:35] <grodius> hey has anyone run compiz on jaunty?
[07:36] <hmw> yes
[07:36] <grodius> does it work well?
[07:36] <hmw> no probs here... nvidia, no special drivers, everthing fine. Gnome stuff (scrolling) much faster
[07:37] <grodius> hm
[07:37] <grodius> what package should i look for when installing
[07:37] <crdlb> compiz?
[07:37] <grodius> yea
[07:37] <crdlb> compiz
[07:37] <hmw> should be on by default
[07:37] <corinth> How is the beta? For anyone using it.
[07:38] <hmw> if youre not running into driver problems, it is very cool already
[07:38] <crdlb> it works fine for most people, but that doesn't mean it will for you :)
[07:38] <crdlb> the vast majority of problems in any development release are driver-related, and therefore hardware-specific
[07:38] <hmw> i still have a little sound glitch with skype
[07:39] <grodius> im running jaunty and the 2.6.29 kernel
[07:39] <grodius> do you think that could make compiz run better potentially?
[07:40] <hmw> i wouldnt expect that
[07:40] <crdlb> the kernel?
[07:41] <wgrant> Why are you running 2.6.29?
[07:41] <crdlb> maybe you change those latency settings that ubuntu has set wrongly :)
[07:41] <crdlb> but otherwise, no
[07:41] <joerlend_> new drivers with better 3d and 2d hardware accelleration support?
[07:41] <grodius> supposedly has better video support
[07:41] <crdlb> that's not really included in the kernel
[07:41] <wgrant> joerlend_: You're looking for X drivers in that case.
[07:42] <crdlb> DRM by itself isn't going to get you far
[07:42] <wgrant> No.
[07:42] <wgrant> Nor is KMS.
[07:42] <cwillu> what chipset is he running?
[07:42] <crdlb> probably SIS :D
[07:42]  * cwillu notes that sis isn't a video chipset :p
[07:43] <hmw> i have seen several people having serious troubles with fglrx in the last three days on this channel. Did something change regarding fglrx meanwhile? Are fglrx improvements to be expected at all for Jaunty?
[07:43] <wgrant> fglrx improvements are not predictable.
[07:43] <crdlb> cwillu: I don't know the various models; all I know is that they're all junk :)
[07:43] <wgrant> It is a horrid proprietary mess which we have no control over.
[07:43] <wgrant> Fortunately -ati works excellently for most of us.
[07:43] <hmw> that makes the answer clearly: no.
[07:44] <RAOF> And isn't updated as frequently as the other proprietary mess, nvidia, so it's broken more often.
[07:44] <crdlb> fglrx works better for R300-R500 in jaunty :P
[07:44] <cwillu> hmw, they're expected, but only based on manufacturer promises and so forth
[07:44] <hmw> Too bad, that i cannot use ati on my workstation
[07:44] <wgrant> crdlb: Doesn't it not support R300 any more?
[07:44] <crdlb> exactly
[07:44] <wgrant> crdlb: You mean -ati works better, then?
[07:44] <crdlb> I mean fglrx not even attempting is better than fglrx attempting and hardlocking
[07:45] <wgrant> Ah.
[07:45] <crdlb> tbh, they should have waited 6 more months
[07:45] <mint3> is the beta out
[07:45] <h00k> I really like how Jaunty handles the wallpaper on the multiple desktops
[07:45] <crdlb> I definitely don't want to see an xorg-driver-fglrx-legacy though
[07:45] <wgrant> mint3: The topic may help.
[07:46] <crdlb> h00k: hmm? how is it different?
[07:46] <hmw> what? i want to know this, too..
[07:46] <h00k> crdlb, if you have two desktops (default) and are using the Extra visual effects
[07:46] <h00k> when you slide a desktop over, the wallpaper stays put
[07:46] <joerlend_> huh?
[07:47] <hmw> ah.
[07:47] <joerlend_> oh-
[07:47] <hmw> I was hoping for different wallpapers for each WS
[07:47] <cwillu> h00k, doesn't here
[07:47] <h00k> the wallpaper doesn't move also, showing a seam, etc
[07:47] <h00k> cwillu, do you have the advanced desktop effects?
[07:47] <cwillu> h00k, very advanced
[07:47] <h00k> (I am not dualscreening)
[07:47] <crdlb> h00k: oh, yes, that does look nice
[07:48] <h00k> also, my docky and gnome-panel doesn't move either
[07:49] <joerlend_> I have to reboot and see this for myself :)
[07:49] <crdlb> yes, by default compiz will not move 'type=dock | type=desktop | state=sticky'
[07:50] <h00k> I think its pretty sexy
[07:50] <cwillu> suppose I might have to restart compiz
[07:50]  * cwillu hasn't rebooted yet
[07:50] <h00k> :)
[07:50] <h00k> cwillu, that might do it
[07:50]  * crdlb has the switch time set to 0 anyway
[07:50] <cwillu> heh
[07:51] <cwillu> nividia didn't like that very much
[07:51] <cwillu> but the effect is quite nice
[07:51] <cwillu> far more sane than the previous approach
[07:51] <crdlb> it conveys the viewport metaphor better
[07:51] <cwillu> Error: API mismatch: the NVIDIA kernel module has version 180.18,
[07:51] <cwillu> but this NVIDIA driver component has version 180.37.  Please make
[07:51] <cwillu> sure that the kernel module and all NVIDIA driver components
[07:51] <cwillu> have the same version.
[07:52] <cwillu> :)
[07:52] <hmw> i like the way it looks, when you use cube, 2 WS and a virtual machin in full screen mode with windows
[07:56] <h00k> cool, minus the virtual machine part;)
[07:57] <hmw> its just funny to have windows up while talking to someone and then suddenly switch to the back side of the desktop and having gnome there...
[08:02] <LordKow> oh wow there are going to be a lot of package updates coming through later this weekend or early next week
[08:02] <grodius> hey guys im running jaunty and im kind of a noob
[08:02] <grodius> im trying to run compiz
[08:02] <grodius> i have the settings manager and compiz seems to be installed
[08:02] <grodius> do i need to sudo it
[08:02] <crdlb> no
[08:03] <o0Chris0o> !enter | grodius
[08:03] <grodius> sorry
[08:03] <o0Chris0o> np :D
[08:03] <crdlb> just go to appearance > visual efects
[08:04] <grodius> it says they cannot be enabled
[08:04] <LordKow> !spelling | crdlb ;)
[08:04] <LordKow> hah
[08:04] <h00k> grodius, you probably need your drivers for your graphics card (nvidia, ati)
[08:04] <crdlb> I hoped nobody would notice
[08:05] <grodius> h00k: i have a macbook, i think its an integrated chip... how might i tell
[08:05] <crdlb> grodius: lspci | grep -i vga
[08:05] <grodius> yea integrated intel gfx controller.
[08:06] <grodius> is it possible for compiz to run on an integrated card?
[08:06] <crdlb> grodius: glxinfo | egrep -i 'software|direct'
[08:06] <crdlb> it is
[08:07] <grodius> direct rendering: Yes; OpenGL renderer string: software Rasterizer
[08:07] <crdlb> ok, it's broken
[08:07] <crdlb> pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[08:07] <cwillu> grodius, what's the exact line from lspci?
[08:08] <grodius> is it acceptable to paste it into the channel?
[08:08] <crdlb> macbook == new enuff
[08:08] <cwillu> grodius, it's one line
[08:08] <crdlb> one line is fine
[08:08] <grodius> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)
[08:08] <cwillu> k, one sec, let me check something
[08:08] <cwillu> same as mine
[08:09] <cwillu> grodius, in synaptic, check that you have libdrm-intel1 and libdrm2 installed
[08:09] <crdlb> me would like to see the X log :o
[08:10] <cwillu> there's some issues with that chipset right now, performance isn't what it should be when accelmode=exa (worked great in previous releases)
[08:10] <cwillu> there's also been issues with the appropriate libraries for intel not actually being installed
[08:10] <grodius> cwillu: have them both installed
[08:10] <cwillu> accelmode "uxa" has the proper performance (more than good enough for compiz), but uxa is a little unstable
[08:12] <cwillu> grodius, k, go to http://pastebin.com/f12c23d1d , and copy the contents of that into your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file
[08:12] <cwillu> that's my xorg.conf
[08:12] <cwillu> and I'm running the same chipset
[08:13] <grodius> k
[08:13] <crdlb> eh
[08:13] <crdlb> that's not the problem
[08:13]  * cwillu pokes crdlb with a stick :p
[08:13] <crdlb> he has *no* 3d acceleration
[08:13] <cwillu> crdlb, autodetection is borked on that card right now
[08:13] <crdlb> let's fix that first
[08:14] <crdlb> oh, you think it's using vesa?
[08:14] <cwillu> crdlb, pretty sure it is, yes
[08:14] <crdlb> that's not good
[08:14] <cwillu> crdlb, i.e., mine will if I delete the xorg.conf
[08:14] <cwillu> it's a known issue
[08:14] <cwillu> it's actually in the release notes
[08:15] <crdlb> how hard is it to match pci ids? :/
[08:15] <cwillu> crdlb, it's subtle in this case :p
[08:15] <crdlb> they even start with 8086, so they're easy to remember :D
[08:15] <cwillu> upstream released a dri that assumed that certain intel cards didn't have the abilities that they actually do have
[08:15] <crdlb> good job upstream
[08:15] <crdlb> next time ask the people in the cubicle next to you
[08:15] <grodius> cwillu: thanks. edited. ill be back.
[08:15] <cwillu> grodius, let me know, yeah
[08:16] <crdlb> that reminds me of when the 965 was blacklisted for compiz because it only supported textured video and EXA wasn't ready
[08:16] <cwillu> I think most of my instability was actually that xorg logging bug, but uxa is known to be not-entirely-stable for that chipset either
[08:16] <cwillu> heh, same style of borkage, yep
[08:16] <crdlb> but the 965 _does_ have a hardware overlay
[08:17] <crdlb> so had intel actually asked the h/w people, that blacklist could have been avoided
[08:17] <cwillu> for a while, booting the -server kernel restored the performance :)
[08:17] <LordKow> meh no wonder why it seems like the electricity is "running out". there are 12 ubuntu buildd's stealing it all right now
[08:17] <LordKow> and the build queue is still like 150+ long ... i have a feeling beta freeze is now over ;)
[08:17] <cwillu> LordKow, it was over the moment it was released :p
[08:17] <LordKow> goodie, bring on the updates
[08:18]  * cwillu isn't rebooting until the xorg logging issue is released :p
[08:18]  * o0Chris0o just installed some updates in the last 10 minutes
[08:18] <LordKow> i see it.. its being built :)
[08:18] <crdlb> cwillu: it has built :D
[08:18] <LordKow> now how long before it's accepted and committed to the repos is another question
[08:18] <crdlb> at least for the arches we care about
[08:19] <cwillu> you know, I kinda wish that the current viewport would get updated before the compiz animation started, or during it at least
[08:19] <cwillu> it's annoying how the taskbar entries aren't correct until a splitsecond _after_ the screen has moved
[08:19] <crdlb> I agree
[08:19] <crdlb> I should look into that
[08:19] <cwillu> kinda ruins the perception of 'distinct panels'
[08:20] <crdlb> even with my no-animation setup, it doesn't do it until I release ctrl and alt
[08:20]  * LordKow crosses fingers. hopefully this vlc 1.0 git debian/rules is correct this time.
[08:21] <cwillu> yep
[08:21] <crdlb> cwillu: I miss the days when vesa would spew GLX errors
[08:21] <crdlb> now vesa gives direct rendering O_o
[08:22] <cwillu> man, all I want is to wipe this (other) machine, but I can't until I can verify the data copied correctly, and the first checksum wasn't correct, and it only has a 10mb network card
[08:22] <cwillu> crdlb, really?  weird
[08:22] <crdlb> well, see grodius's output
[08:23] <cwillu> he pasted something?
[08:23] <LordKow> i think you just left grodius with an unusable Xorg :P
[08:23] <cwillu> oh, nvm, saw it :p
[08:23] <cwillu> as long as he's not running a -server kernel, it should be fine
[08:24] <cwillu> well
[08:24] <cwillu> or a machine with two different sized dimms
[08:24]  * cwillu shrugs :p
[08:24] <crdlb> I'd love a way to query the loaded driver (DDX), and whether X thinks it has 3d accel
[08:24] <cwillu> if it doesn't work, then exa should 'work', just slow
[08:24] <LordKow> he used a hammer to make the memory stick fit.
[08:25] <crdlb> it'd cut down on the number of Xorg.0.log pastes needed
[08:25] <cwillu> LordKow, no, I mean, a 1gb dimm and a 2gb dimm
[08:25] <cwillu> causes grief
[08:25] <LordKow> yea, on a lot of systems.
[08:25] <ikonia> crdlb: there must be a way of doing that with binary drivers
[08:25] <crdlb> I just want a generic method
[08:26] <cwillu> crdlb, glxinfo | grep renderer is what you want
[08:26] <ikonia> crdlb: yes, that would be a solid implimentation
[08:26] <cwillu> it'll either be a match for their hardware, or it'll be software
[08:26] <cwillu> OpenGL renderer string: GeForce 7300 GT/AGP/SSE/3DNOW!
[08:26] <crdlb> hmm
[08:26] <cwillu> OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI Intel(R) 945GM...
[08:27] <ikonia> querying the module direct would be a good tool
[08:27] <ikonia> rather than having to have a software interface
[08:27] <rww> OpenGL renderer string: Software Rasterizer
[08:27] <rww> oh joy
[08:27] <crdlb> I used to use Version for that, in particular for checking nvidia driver versions
[08:27]  * cwillu cheers!  the checksums match!
[08:27]  * cwillu wipes the drive with glee
[08:28] <crdlb> I think I'll give that a shot though :)
[08:30]  * cwillu huggles grodius
[08:30] <cwillu> what have I done D:
[08:31] <cwillu> come back to me!
[08:31] <o0Chris0o> cwillu: you messed up his xorg!
[08:31] <o0Chris0o> :D
[08:31] <cwillu> o0Chris0o, just hoping he didn't just insert it or something
[08:31]  * cwillu curses
[08:31] <cwillu> I left out a section
[08:32] <cwillu> or rather, didn't remove the reference to it in the screen section
[08:32] <o0Chris0o> you should of explained to him to use irssi in command if he couldn't start x
[08:32] <o0Chris0o> :D
[08:32] <o0Chris0o> oh well, its a learning experience for all
[08:32] <cwillu> well, deleting the xorg.conf completely gives him a usable config, and xfix should handle it too
[08:32] <crdlb> well, it'll just switch to vesa again, won't it?
[08:32] <cwillu> it should
[08:33] <crdlb> bulletproofX partially ftw
[08:33] <cwillu> who knows, he might just be extensively testing why it didn't work after I promised that it would :p
[08:33] <crdlb> and partially I hate that thing and wish it would die a fiery death
[08:33] <o0Chris0o> I had major xorg problems with my old PC
[08:33] <cwillu> god I love it
[08:33] <LordKow> does he know about the option to completely delete xorg.conf and at least get a working Xorg? i guess it doesnt really matter now :p
[08:33] <LordKow> well he is using development.... he better know
[08:34] <crdlb> if X fails to parse the log, he's fine
[08:34] <cwillu> yep, there's only a limited amount of sympathy I'm willing to grant :)
[08:34] <crdlb> since vesa will kick in
[08:34] <crdlb> again
[08:34] <cwillu> I just hate making silly mistakes
[08:34] <o0Chris0o> cwillu: no one sperfect
[08:35] <cwillu> yep, the missing section just falls back into vesa
[08:36] <LordKow> there is always the small chance that his computer just blew up
[08:36] <o0Chris0o> o.0
[08:36] <LordKow> or her, not to be sexist
[08:36] <crdlb> 'he' is generic :)
[08:37] <o0Chris0o> or he fixed it and didn't want to log back onto freenode and went to bed
[08:37] <o0Chris0o> :D
[08:37] <LordKow> it is just degrading
[08:37] <LordKow> 'it' that is
[08:37] <cwillu> LordKow, 've': p
[08:37] <LordKow> he could be in awe with compiz?
[08:37] <cwillu> ve is the convention for ai's :p
[08:37] <LordKow> "look at how it fades in and out... oh man the transparency!!!!!!!!!!"
[08:37]  * rww used to use gender-neutral pronouns, until sie realized that it made hir messages look weird
[08:38] <crdlb> heh
[08:38] <cwillu> you get used to it :p
[08:38] <LordKow> i still get awed by alt+tab every now and then
[08:38] <o0Chris0o> LordKow: thats been around ages, linux and M$
[08:38] <o0Chris0o> :-p
[08:39] <LordKow> doesn't mean i still can't get awe'd by it
[08:39] <o0Chris0o> I like my rain drops and wiper oooooo ahhhhhhhhh
[08:40] <LordKow> yay my vlc-1.0 git snapshot debian package is a success. just need to figure out this symbol issue. apparently libstream_out_raop_plugin.so uses a symbol found in none of the libraries. well i'll find out which one
[08:42] <cwillu> question:  can evolution read outlookexpress email folderse?
[08:43] <cwillu> you're back!
[08:43] <cwillu> sorry, I missed a section in that pastebin
[08:43]  * cwillu blinks
[08:43] <LordKow> about time videolan drops esd support
[08:44] <cwillu> think I hurt his feelings? :(
[08:44] <lanoxx-> where do i download the ubuntu beta cd image for 64bit
[08:44] <lanoxx-> i only found the dvd image
[08:44] <cwillu> lanoxx-, release notes
[08:44] <lanoxx-> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/9.04/beta/
[08:44] <cwillu> no
[08:44] <cwillu> NO
[08:44] <cwillu> release notes
[08:45]  * cwillu pokes lanoxx- with a stick
[08:45] <lanoxx-> ah ok
[08:45]  * cwillu huggles lanoxx- 
[08:46] <grodius> I got HUGE problems, what did you do to me....
[08:46] <cwillu> grodius, ugh
[08:46] <crdlb> lol
[08:46] <lanoxx-> cwillu, found it, thats going to go straight into virtual box and then im going file some bug reports if i find any
[08:46] <lanoxx-> :)
[08:47] <o0Chris0o> cwillu: its ok promise, I was just testing your nerves :D
[08:47]  * o0Chris0o runs and hides
[08:47] <cwillu> uh?
[08:47] <LordKow> yay VLC Media Player 1.0.0-pre1 Goldeneye
[08:48] <cwillu> o0Chris0o, you know what your mistake was?
[08:48] <o0Chris0o> cwillu: yes
[08:48] <cwillu> o0Chris0o, your hostmask won't save you now :p
[08:48] <XiXaQ> ah! Finally my webcam is working! :)
[08:49] <o0Chris0o> :D
[08:49] <o0Chris0o> XiXaQ: grats
[08:49] <XiXaQ> thanks!
[08:50] <XiXaQ> I'm a musician, and I've been wanting to take some videos to upload to youtube, but I didn't want to install Windows just to do it. But now, in Jaunty, I can use cheese. Camorama still doesn't work at all though.
[08:51] <cwillu> I've always wanted to visit new york...
[08:52] <o0Chris0o> cwillu: just don't do it during winter time :D
[08:52] <cwillu> why?
[08:53] <o0Chris0o> its cold
[08:53] <cwillu> HAH
[08:53] <cwillu> you think you know cold
[08:53] <o0Chris0o> windy, snowey
[08:53] <cwillu> it was -30 here 3 weeks ago
[08:53] <o0Chris0o> cwillu: where do you live? alaska?
[08:53] <cwillu> saskatchewan
[08:53] <o0Chris0o> CA?
[08:53] <cwillu> we get about as cold as them
[08:53] <cwillu> canada, yes
[08:54] <o0Chris0o> yeah its quite cold up there as well
[08:54] <cwillu> so yes, don't think you'll scare me off with 'oooo, it's so cold'  :p
[08:54] <o0Chris0o> lol
[08:54]  * cwillu starts sharpening the poking stick
[08:55] <cwillu> but still, I fear the worst :p
[08:56] <o0Chris0o> cwillu:its nice, especially the finger lakes area
[08:56] <cwillu> re: grodius, not new york :p
[08:57] <o0Chris0o> heh
[08:57] <lanoxx-> 1.5MB/s dl i love the torrent option
[09:05] <shrini> Hi, I downloaded 9.04 alpha 6 and installed
[09:05] <shrini> it is too slow even  have 2 GB RAM
[09:05] <shrini> how to make it faster?
[09:09] <hmw> shrini: define "too slow" a little more detailed, please
[09:10] <shrini> hi
[09:10] <shrini> when i switch windows, it takes time
[09:10] <shrini> i disables visualeffects
[09:10] <shrini> some sluggish window transfers
[09:10] <shrini> the boot speed is nice
[09:10] <shrini> but
[09:10] <cwillu> I don't think that's memory related, sounds more like a lack of acceleration
[09:11] <shrini> ya
[09:11] <hmw> hm. i had certain "hangings" at the beginning, too... they disappeared after ssome updates
[09:11] <shrini> i increased RAM from 512 to 2GB
[09:11] <shrini> how to get updates?
[09:11] <hmw> just as usual: System/Administration/Update Manager
[09:11] <shrini> ya
[09:12] <shrini> it showed only 2MB of updates for debconf
[09:12] <shrini> nothing else
[09:12] <hmw> you say, compiz is basically working?
[09:13] <shrini> ya
[09:13] <shrini> comiz is working
[09:13] <hmw> any other issues?
[09:14] <shrini> but i set none t visual effects
[09:14] <shrini> slow means for example,
[09:14] <shrini> there are 5 tabs in my pidgin chat window
[09:15] <shrini> it take 3 seconds to switch between tabs too
[09:15] <hmw> is your hard drive constantly active? (swap)
[09:18] <hmw> anyone else in this channel thinks, can help? If not, my way of diagnosing will be somewhat unoptimal
[09:19] <hmw> shrini: let me prepare a test script, bb in a few minutes
[09:19] <frybye> hmw - the idea that ram might be too small is ok I guess..
[09:19] <frybye> i.e. swap very busy...
[09:20] <shrini>              total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached
[09:20] <shrini> Mem:          2013        753       1259          0         38        313
[09:20] <shrini> -/+ buffers/cache:        401       1611
[09:20] <shrini> Swap:         1906          0       1906
[09:21] <hmw> i dont think 2GB is too little ram but somehow your system seems not to use it
[09:21] <shrini> swap is zero used
[09:21] <interawi4ever> just got 9.04 beta
[09:21] <interawi4ever> starting in vmware, lots of file managers try to start and startup is slow
[09:21] <interawi4ever> is this a known issue?
[09:21] <crdlb> yay X
[09:21] <hmw> shrini: check your background processes. open a terminal, start "top" and watch for 30 seconds. What is using most CPU time?
[09:22] <interawi4ever> the bottom panel has a lot of "..." items trying to start
[09:22] <shrini> hmw: ok
[09:23] <shrini>  2872 root      20   0  124m  32m 9040 S 58.2  1.6   6:53.37 Xorg
[09:23] <shrini>  3425 shrini    20   0 49668  31m  13m S  1.6  1.6   0:17.37 gnome-panel
[09:23] <shrini>  3802 shrini    20   0  115m  50m  21m S  1.3  2.5   1:20.74 pidgin
[09:23] <shrini>  4887 shrini    20   0 41016  21m 9416 S  1.3  1.1   0:02.12 gnome-terminal
[09:23] <hmw> interawi4ever: no idea, but i wouldnt expect ubuntu being run in a vm could cause unwanted autostarts. sounds very odd
[09:23] <shrini>  3424 shrini    20   0 33596  23m 8576 S  0.7  1.2   0:10.48 metacity
[09:23] <shrini>  5517 shrini    20   0  2448 1200  912 R  0.3  0.1   0:00.24 top
[09:23] <shrini>   
[09:23] <hmw> ok
[09:23] <hmw> this looks not so bad
[09:23] <hmw> do you know, if your cpu isnt too hot?
[09:24] <shrini> hmw: laptop is cool only. not so heat
[09:24] <BUGabundo> guud morning
[09:24] <hmw> ok, let me put that diagnose script together... bb
[09:25] <shrini> hmw : thanks
[09:26] <BUGabundo> will some one please confirm or deny: Update-manager apt-listchanges appears in background?
[09:26] <BUGabundo> maco ^^^^^^
[09:26] <mvo> BUGabundo: the gtk frontend for apt-listchanges?
[09:27] <maco> BUGabundo: i dont use gui for updates so *shrug*
[09:27] <BUGabundo> mvo: yes
[09:27] <BUGabundo> thanks maco
[09:27] <maco> however, i can confirm that running apt-listchanges from the command line does squat diddly
[09:27] <BUGabundo> eheh
[09:28] <BUGabundo> mvo: if you confirm it, ill file it
[09:28] <BUGabundo> I keep waiting for it, and then I notice its in background
[09:28] <mvo> BUGabundo: thats quite possible, there is nothing in apt-listchanges that prevents that at least
[09:28] <BUGabundo> maybe related to recente changes on bug 333284
[09:28] <mvo> BUGabundo: do you see the taks bar think pulsing ?
[09:29] <BUGabundo> it doesn't seem to pulse
[09:29] <mvo> BUGabundo: i.e. is it trying to get your attention? or not even that?
[09:29] <mvo> BUGabundo: ok, thanks. if you file the bug, please include that info
[09:29] <mvo> BUGabundo: and you use compiz, right?
[09:29] <BUGabundo> yes sir
[09:29] <BUGabundo> yes too
[09:29] <BUGabundo> will add that too
[09:30] <maco> mvo: wanna run "apt-listchanges --apt <some package>" and tell me if it hangs for you too?
[09:30] <mvo> thanks
[09:30] <interawi4ever> here is a screenshot of the issue
[09:30] <interawi4ever> http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/7592/ubuntu64bit220090327132.png
[09:30] <BUGabundo> interawi4ever: what's that???
[09:30] <BUGabundo> so many windows
[09:30] <interawi4ever> yes
[09:30] <mvo> maco: does it hang for you in general or just with this commandline? it expects package information to be send via stdin when run with --apt IIRC
[09:30] <interawi4ever> just started up ubuntu 9.04 beta in vmware
[09:31] <interawi4ever> and thats what i get
[09:31] <interawi4ever> also does the beta have a wallpaper?
[09:31] <maco> mvo: just in command line,but the manpage says that should work..
[09:31] <maco> er...oh wait
[09:31] <cwillu> interawi4ever, open a terminal and killall nautilus
[09:31]  * maco re-RTFMs
[09:31] <cwillu> interawi4ever, and see if they just start opening up again, or if you get a proper desktop
[09:32] <interawi4ever> will try it now again
[09:32] <hmw> shrini: enter the following into the terminal: cd ~ && wget http://harald.ist.org/home/sysrep/sysrep && chmod 0700 sysrep && sudo ./sysrep -up ALL
[09:32] <shrini> hmw: thanks
[09:32] <hmw> it should install pastebinit and then upload some config files and stats to a pastebin
[09:32] <interawi4ever> i also noticed that it seems vmmouse driver is not enabled
[09:32] <hmw> tell us the URL it shows at the end
[09:33] <maco> mvo: hm you might be rigt. in that case: why doesnt t give a syntax error when i put text after "--apt"?
[09:34] <shrini> shrini@shrini-laptop:~$ sudo ./sysrep -up ALL
[09:34] <shrini> System Report v0.3.3a
[09:34] <shrini> Error(2): file /home/shrini/.sysrep/section.SUMMARY does not exist.
[09:34] <interawi4ever> cwillu, it stopped, but now i cannot open any folder
[09:34] <maco> :( i dont like this. i thought i could use it to do the equiv of "zless /usr/share/..../package/.../Changelog.Debian.gz" or whatever it is
[09:34] <shrini> hmw: it shows the above error
[09:35] <hmw> shrini: dang. sorry, this is the first time it try to use it
[09:35] <interawi4ever> opening "folder name" and nothing appears
[09:35] <hmw> enter "mkdir .sysrep" and then run "sudo ./sysrep -up ALL" again
[09:35] <shrini> hmw:  ok. how to use it?
[09:35] <mvo> maco: I don't know :)
[09:35] <BUGabundo> mvo https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt-listchanges/+bug/349451
[09:35] <shrini> hmw:  it created the directory
[09:36] <hmw> oh.
[09:36] <hmw> shrini: did it install pastebinit?
[09:36] <shrini> hmw: no
[09:36] <hmw> ok
[09:37] <interawi4ever> running nautilus from the terminal again gives me glibc detected, nautilus: fouble free or corruption
[09:37] <interawi4ever> *double
[09:37] <shrini> hmw: it shows the error and exits
[09:37] <hmw> shrini: forget about my script, i need to work on it, still alpha
[09:37] <shrini> hmw; it looks like a nice script
[09:37] <hmw> i want you to pastebin some things, shrini.   ...
[09:38] <shrini> hmw: tell, i can do
[09:38] <shrini> hmw: how to?
[09:38] <hmw> pastebinit is very cool. sudo apt-get pastebinit   ... then for example cat /etc/resolv.conf | pastebinit   and it uploads the output directly to the pastebin
[09:39] <cwillu> interawi4ever, downloaded via torrent?
[09:39] <shrini> hmw: wow. installing it
[09:39] <cwillu> hmw, pastebinit /etc/resolv.conf eliminates the pointless cat pipe in that case :p
[09:39] <interawi4ever> no DDL
[09:39] <interawi4ever> guess i will restart and check  the cd
[09:40] <cwillu> interawi4ever, verify that the image is right, yep
[09:40] <hmw> cwillu: this applies only if you want to upload a file, but what if you want to get the output of lspci?
[09:40] <cwillu> just md5sum the image and compare it against the checksum on the site
[09:40] <cwillu> hmw, then use that example :p
[09:40] <shrini> hmw: installed it
[09:41] <hmw> cwillu: hah. got a better idea. just like my script should have done....
[09:41] <shrini> hmw: bit it looks for a file in .sysrep folder
[09:41] <shrini> hmw: the folder is empty
[09:41] <hmw> shrini: pastebinit does not look for that folder
[09:41] <shrini> hmw: hmmm
[09:42] <shrini> hmw: i created an empty file as sudo touch .sysrep/section.SUMMARY
[09:42] <shrini> hmw: now ran the script
[09:42] <shrini> hmw: now the error is
[09:42] <shrini> shrini@shrini-laptop:~$ sudo ./sysrep -up ALL
[09:42] <shrini> System Report v0.3.3a
[09:42] <shrini> Sending summary file to the pastebin...
[09:42] <shrini> You are trying to send an empty document, exiting.
[09:42] <shrini> System Information has been uploaded to: URL:
[09:42] <hmw> shrini: i have no idea, whats going wrong, the script is not very well tested
[09:43] <hmw> i want to see: lspci, df -h,
[09:43] <hmw> ifconfig
[09:43] <shrini> hmw: fine
[09:43] <interawi4ever> cwillu, according to ubuntu verify cd, no errors were found
[09:43] <cwillu> dunno then
[09:44] <shrini> hmw: tell me the commands to run, i will run and pastebinit the output collectively
[09:45] <hmw> lspci > summary && df -h >> summary && ifconfig >> summary && pastebinit summary
[09:46] <shrini> http://pastebin.com/f205db03c
[09:46] <hmw> shrini: is there anything else not working?
[09:46] <ruthgard> the torrent download doesn't work :(
[09:46] <ruthgard> connection reset :(
[09:47] <ruthgard> is there a mirror?
[09:47] <ruthgard> !torrent
[09:47] <ruthgard> !download
[09:47] <shrini> hmw: not tested all
[09:47] <hmw> ok
[09:47] <shrini> hmw: the user experience is great, but slowness os the only problem i face
[09:49] <hmw> hmm...
[09:50] <aapzak> alpha6 was running great, but I did have very little upgrades this morning ... beta not that different from alpha6?
[09:50] <hmw> do you have an older ubuntu active on that notebook? does it work fine?
[09:50] <crdlb> aapzak: the beta is nothing
[09:50] <hmw> shrini
[09:50] <crdlb> it's just a snapshot of the repos
[09:51] <aapzak> I wouldn't call it nothing, it's pretty good :) but not many changes since A6, ok
[09:51] <crdlb> and they freeze them for a few days before to try to make sure nothing dumb sneaks in
[09:51] <hmw> do you have an older ubuntu active on that notebook? does it work fine? shrini
[09:52] <hmw> if it is something different than a normal driver problem, the drive could be defective
[09:52] <hmw> gah... why do i always forget to add the name...
[09:52] <crdlb> aapzak: now that the beta is release, you'll see a million updates
[09:52] <crdlb> released*
[09:52] <aapzak> bugfixes?
[09:53] <ruthgard> I would expect all type of updates
[09:53] <crdlb> just stuff that couldn't be put in during the beta freeze
[09:53] <aapzak> I believe artwork is not frozen yet
[09:53] <ruthgard> bugfixes, features and so forth
[09:53] <aapzak> gnome 2.26 is allready inthere
[09:53] <ruthgard> does anyone have the beta torrent file?
[09:53] <crdlb> well, we're well into feature freeze :)
[09:53] <ruthgard> It dont seem to want to be downloaded
[09:54] <aapzak> not me, upgraded 8.10 to 9.04
[09:54] <ruthgard> did anyone try to update 8.10 kubuntu to 9.04 yet?
[09:54] <aapzak> nope, I did Ubuntu
[09:55] <ruthgard> update-manager is not included in kubuntu I noticed, Do I need to install it or can you do the same with the kde update manager?
[09:55] <aapzak> many changes in Kubuntu? You're probably getting kde4.2?
[09:55] <ruthgard> I have tweaked my 8.10 to include 4.2
[09:56] <ruthgard> I was so excited about the plasmoids and all the other niceties that I could not wait for 9.04 :D
[09:56] <aapzak> I used to be a kde fanboy but 4.x is not good enough for me yet :(
[09:56] <shrini> hmw: I had 8.04, worked peacefully even with 512 GB RAM
[09:56] <ruthgard> I like it but its not as stable as gnome yet :)
[09:57] <shrini> hmw: wanted to upgrade, installed 9.04,felt slow, increased RAM to 2 GB. but still slow
[09:57] <aapzak> I use terminals a lot and konsole is just poorly configured, irritates me a lot
[09:57] <ruthgard> konsole just got better :)
[09:57] <aapzak> smaller fonts?
[09:57] <ruthgard> I love what they did with the "bookmark" feature
[09:57] <aapzak> less space between lines?
[09:58] <ruthgard> when you ssh to a server and bookmark it remembers the location in the filesystem, the username and ip-address in the bookmark
[09:58] <hmw> shrini: ps -Aux | pastebinit
[09:58] <hmw> oops
[09:58] <aapzak> I hate the space between the lines. Compare konsole to gnome-terminal, same font, you'll see konsole needs 25% more room on your precious desktop space
[09:58] <ruthgard> It has a pretty big font
[09:58] <shrini> hmw: sure
[09:58] <hmw> shrini: -aux
[09:58] <ruthgard> but I dont mind as I am getting old :D
[09:58]  * crdlb hopes this X works better
[09:58] <ruthgard> I have a BIG screen hehe
[09:58] <aapzak> ruthgard: its the space between the lines I have a problem with
[09:59] <ruthgard> I am not sure about that
[09:59] <aapzak> I am :)
[09:59] <shrini> hmw: there is no - for ps
[09:59] <ruthgard> I dont know how it used to look I just switched to KDE :)
[09:59] <shrini> hmw here is ps aux output http://pastebin.com/f4cce8fd9
[09:59] <ruthgard> look like*
[09:59] <hmw> shrini: ps -aux | pastebinit
[09:59] <aapzak> gnome looks less complicated
[09:59] <aapzak> easy on the eye
[10:00] <hmw> interestinf, shrini, i checked before telling you...!?
[10:00] <ruthgard> I think I will try gnome for a bit when 9.04 goes live
[10:00] <ruthgard> I like to change my desktop around abit every now and then
[10:00] <shrini> hmw: fine
[10:01] <RizR> hi, upgrade to jaunty but booting with kernel 2.6.28-11 doesnt load x server. get a blank black screen with no keyboard working.
[10:01] <RizR> using previous kernel from intrepid however boots it fine with jaunty user env.
[10:02] <fargiolas> does anybody know why the ubuntu netbook remix image iso is compiled for i386? is there any netbook that doesn't mount an atom (lpia) processor?
[10:02] <aapzak> ruthgard: you'll be getting kde 4.2.1 , which you're already running ATM
[10:05] <hmw> shrini: didnt find anything, but i might have to little knowledge. You could try to place the system monitor panel applet, activate everything (additional to cpu: ram, swap, disk, net) and watch. Maybe you get lucky and see something, that helps
[10:05] <ubuntu_> hey there, im trying to test the mapi function for evolution but i cant figure how to do it, its not in the drop down box in evolution, do i need to install something extra?
[10:05] <ruthgard> yes but also other stuff like better network-manager and so on
[10:05] <shrini> hmw: fine
[10:06] <shrini> hmw: any issue with ATI card?
[10:06] <hmw> shrini: possible
[10:06] <fargiolas> alternative question, is there a way to get a jaunty livecd iso with lpia support to make a bootable persistent usb drive?
[10:07] <hmw> shrini: but three seconds to switch tabs in pidgin? hmm... i am sceptical.
[10:07] <shrini> hmw: yes.feel very slow
[10:07] <fargiolas> alternative question 2, is there a way to turn the jaunty-mid-lpia img into a persistent live usb?
[10:08] <hmw> shrini: you said, the hard drive was over-active? that would explain slow speed. Question remains: why is the hard drive in permanent use??
[10:10] <shrini> hmw: no. hard drive is fine
[10:10] <shrini> hmw: the GUI is slow
[10:11] <hmw> shrini: youre running in vesa mode, perhaps?? how bad is scrolling in general?
[10:11] <hmw> shrini: nah no vesa -- compiz works
[10:12] <baastrup> is the mapi plugin in evolution 2.26 ubuntu package???
[10:12] <hmw> shrini: i am out of ideas :(
[10:12] <shrini> hmw: scrolling is slowonly. but managable
[10:12] <crdlb> PSA: don't apply the python updates
[10:13] <hmw> shrini: you could try to remove fglrx and use the open source driver. but i am guessing here
[10:15] <shrini> hmw: how to remove it? there is no package as fglrx
[10:15] <hmw> shrini: maybe something went wrong with the upgrade. You could try to boot the live cd and check, if speed is better
[10:15] <shrini> hmw: I did not upgraded. downloaded the iso. removed all partitions. installed as a fresh one
[10:16] <hmw> ok... misunderstanding.
[10:17] <shrini> hmw: its ok
[10:17] <hmw> shrini: sounds very much like a driver issue to me now. Did you already check the logs?
[10:17] <shrini> hmw: how to check the driver logs?
[10:18] <hmw> shrini: that was a second, not quite related question. I meant the stuff in /var/log
[10:19] <hmw> shrini: Xorg.0.log might contain a clue as well as messages or syslog
[10:19] <color> hi all
[10:19] <color> this is really early for me to get up but i guess that is what soda is for later on
[10:20] <shrini> hmw: xorg log is here http://pastebin.com/f2b71ab75
[10:21] <hmw> okay... i guess, i need to install some coffee first...
[10:21] <color> is moving installs from wubi to native part of 9.04?
[10:23] <apw> does anyone know what the indicator-applet does, why it has a envelope associated with pidgeon, and what that envelope is trying to tell me
[10:23] <crdlb> apw: it's supposed to tell you when there are new messages
[10:24] <color> apw: in 9.04 cna i move an install from wubi to native?
[10:24] <apw> crdlb, what sort of messages, IM's ?
[10:24] <crdlb> yes
[10:24] <apw> so if it never goes away thats wrong
[10:25] <apw> is it something i have enabled?
[10:25] <crdlb> I'm not sure what its persistent appearance is supposed to be
[10:25] <apw> having managed to get my update-notifier back, i am now looking to get rid of this pointless thing, given i get nice OSD thigies with the messages in anyhow
[10:25] <hmw> shrini: is moving windows around also very slow?
[10:26] <shrini> hmw: yes, takes 3 seconds to get focus
[10:26] <hmw> and moving itself slow too?
[10:26] <hmw> shrini: like 1 fps or such?
[10:27] <shrini> hmw:yes. I see trails
[10:27] <shrini> hmw: on moving windows
[10:27] <hmw> ok
[10:28] <color> does jaunty have widgets?
[10:30] <tehwrath> do you get them from screeenlets.org
[10:30] <tehwrath> ?
[10:31] <hmw> shrini: according to the log, your X believes, it works fine. You got the open source "Radeon" driver. I have no idea, if using fglrx would help.
[10:31] <hmw> shrini: i have seen several people here in the last days with ATI problems :(
[10:31] <shrini> hmw: oh. how they fix it/
[10:31] <shrini> ?
[10:32] <thewrath> hmw or shrini ?
[10:32] <hmw> shrini: i didnt follow...
[10:32] <hmw> shrini: i mean
[10:32] <shrini> hmw: its ok
[10:32] <hmw> shrini: i didnt follow, how or if they solved their problems
[10:32] <shrini> hmw: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/jaunty/beta#Known%20issues  3rd point tellssomething
[10:33] <thewrath> shrini: i assume you have an intel graphics card?
[10:34] <shrini> lspci | grep VGA => VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon RV250 [Mobility FireGL 9000] (rev 02)
[10:36] <thewrath> oh ok
[10:36] <thewrath> oh ok since u aaid 3 bullet
[10:36] <thewrath> which is abotu the intel chips i was nto srue
[10:37] <cwillu> anyone familiar with how to move the notifications to another corner?  notification-properties seems to be broken
[10:37] <crdlb> cwillu: because it's for notification-daemon
[10:37] <shrini> thewrath: any issues with ATI cards?
[10:38] <Ng> we should probably put in the topic that the current python update is broken and should not be applied
[10:38] <Ng> (2.6.1-1ubuntu5)
[10:38] <cwillu> crdlb, on my main desktop, the far right corner is quite far to the right :p
[10:38] <cwillu> like, out of my view
[10:39] <rconan> Ng: how broken?
[10:39] <Ng> rconan: pygtk things won't work (e.g. update-manager)
[10:39] <rconan> oof
[10:39] <rconan> that's pretty broken
[10:39] <ikonia> Ng: are you sure ?
[10:39] <Ng> rconan: it's blocked on the main archive, but may be on mirrors. a superceding upload is in progress
[10:39] <Ng> ikonia: see #ubuntu-devel
[10:40] <ikonia> Ng: ahh it's held back thats why I don't see it
[10:40] <rconan> I got 403s trying to download it :p
[10:41] <crdlb> don't use mirrors :D
[10:41] <Ng> rconan: that would be because I chmod -r'd it :)
[10:41] <rconan> Ng: makes sense
[10:42] <rconan> Ng: but how would someone download it to fix it?
[10:42] <rconan> (not me)
[10:42] <rconan> oh... superceding upload in progress...
[10:42] <rconan> didn't see that
[10:42] <crdlb> it doesn't cripple the system, just update-manager
[10:42] <crdlb> it's not like that bad glibc update ;)
[10:42] <hmw> shrini: sorry, i couldnt help...
[10:43] <Ng> sure, it's not the worst update ever :)
[10:43] <ikonia> ughhh topic limit
[10:43] <crdlb> heh
[10:43] <hmw> everyone else: has anybody been improving his jaunty with fglrx instead of radeon?
[10:43] <mvo> I still think its worth blocking it
[10:43] <Ng> and recovery will be easy enough with apt when the fixed version is published
[10:43] <crdlb> shouldn't it go at the beginning anyway?
[10:44] <mvo> hmw: the auto transition for fglrx->ati for intrepid->jaunty is currently not working correctly
[10:44] <hmw> ic, thx
[10:45] <bazhang> s/broke /broken
[10:45]  * crdlb donates some money to python
[10:45] <ikonia> oh bum
[10:46] <hmw> lol
[10:47] <crdlb> silly python, you should have used UTF-8 :D
[10:47] <thewrath> ikonia: what deals wtih pyhton
[10:48] <ikonia> ?
[10:48] <thewrath> when you do updates doesnt it come  with it
[10:48] <ikonia> yes
[10:48] <ikonia> but its held back
[10:48] <ikonia> currenty
[10:48] <thewrath> what in ubuntu uses python
[10:48] <thewrath> oh ok
[10:48] <rconan> update-manager for one
[10:48] <thewrath> k
[10:48] <ikonia> (reading the devel thread now)
[10:48] <ikonia> Ng: thanks !
[10:49] <thewrath> if i have an alpha and update to beta the command i run is the following: sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get safe-upgrade?
[10:49] <thewrath> thank you rconan
[10:49] <Ng> ikonia: np :)
[10:49] <rconan> thewrath: "dist-upgrade" is probably better
[10:49] <thewrath> why is that
[10:50] <thewrath> i have been told that command as well  but like 5 others to upgrader
[10:50] <cwillu> thewrath, your normal upgrade procedure will do it just fine
[10:50] <thewrath> if i had all the updates right bfore the beta came out
[10:50] <thewrath> do u know how much i would have to download?
[10:50] <cwillu> update manager, aptitude, apt-get, choose your poison :p
[10:50] <thewrath> thanks
[10:50] <cwillu> thewrath, you probably have the beta then
[10:50] <thewrath> for putting it that way
[10:50] <thewrath> how can i tell
[10:50] <crdlb> it doesn't _matter_
[10:50] <cwillu> thewrath, does your choice of poison show any updates?
[10:51] <cwillu> if not, then you're up to date
[10:51] <crdlb> the beta is just an entrypoint for new testers
[10:51] <thewrath> i have not done it yet
[10:51] <thewrath> ok
[10:51] <thewrath> right i understand
[10:51] <rconan> I have a lot of updates since the beta came.. I would guess that all except python are worth having
[10:51] <thewrath> i have 2 machines iwth jaunty
[10:51] <thewrath> checking hte one
[10:51] <thewrath> so do not get python
[10:51] <crdlb> correct
[10:51] <thewrath> and what baout the talk i heard on the brainstorm site to move installs from wubi to native
[10:51] <rconan> if you're using a normal repo url you don't need to do anything
[10:52] <crdlb> don't get anything containing python or libpython
[10:52] <thewrath> so when i update crdlb use the update manager and deselect python
[10:52] <thewrath> i am using reg respo
[10:52] <rconan> yeah
[10:52] <rconan> if your mirrors are archive.ubuntu.com or similar you can't download it due to 403
[10:52] <thewrath> oh ok
[10:54] <thewrath> baseero has been kept back
[10:54] <thewrath> update-manager and udpate-manager-core can be updated through sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[10:54] <thewrath> should i do those?
[10:55] <crdlb> yes, those should be fine
[10:56] <shrini> hmw: no issue. Do i haveto file a bug?
[10:56] <hmw> shrini: i dont know.
[10:57] <hmw> i just filed my first bug ever yesterday *g*
[10:57] <bromic94> hey all
[10:57] <bromic94> i got it running
[10:57] <bromic94> on the machine one that is running ubuntu
[10:58] <bromic94> and its updated
[10:58] <amortvigil> hello my kubuntu freezes alot randomly im not sure what causes it ive been googeling for days and have asked it here for days , there are a lot bugreports and there are a lot of google hit but im not shure what fixes it
[10:59] <bromic94> possibly graphics card
[10:59] <uniscript> any reason why I get 403 forbidden when trying to upgrade python2.6?
[11:00] <cwillu> uniscript, the usual, it's an update you really really don't want :p
[11:00] <cwillu> the replacement is coming
[11:00] <uniscript> clearly :)
[11:00] <bazhang> see the topic
[11:00] <amortvigil> hey cwillu:) i have reduced the ammount of craches by disabeling effects :) but it still crashes alot!
[11:01] <uniscript> bazhang: I realise the topic hence my job to get there first so that when it is ready all our packages are ready
[11:02] <mnemo> uniscript: not that part of the topic
[11:02] <mnemo> uniscript: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python2.6/+bug/349467
[11:02] <amortvigil> cwillu: now im on irc ive 1 browser open and i had a constand cpu peak of 100% :S
[11:02] <uniscript> aha, thanks
[11:02] <amortvigil> now its over again
[11:03] <BUGabundo> back
[11:03] <mnemo> amortvigil: there is a pulseaudio bug right now that causes CPU spikes when you start audio.. maybe that was what you saw?
[11:04] <amortvigil> mnemo: since when is this update applied?
[11:05] <Alastair_> awww
[11:05] <mnemo> amortvigil: the bad package hit the repos this morning and the fixed package is being uploaded right now
[11:06] <Alastair_> i was just hoping that something is wrong in my TV, but it seems everyone is having problems with python :p
[11:06] <amortvigil> mnemo: i updated yesterday and there are no new updates
[11:06] <bromic94> who ever was helping me with update to beta look at this http://paste.ubuntu.com/138871/
[11:06] <uniscript> is there a way to turn off various pidgin announcements like when people join and leave?
[11:06] <bromic94> that is after i did sudo apt-get upgrade
[11:07] <cwillu> bromic94, sudo aptitude full-upgrade
[11:07] <cwillu> does a better job of handling those situations
[11:08] <hmw> uniscript: yes. look into the settings dialog. you might also want to take a closer look to the plugins.
[11:08] <fat_rat> how 9.04 is working on eee?
[11:08] <thewrath1> sorry about that
[11:08] <thewrath1> http://paste.ubuntu.com/138871/
[11:09] <amortvigil> mnemo: no its the kpackage... when i scann for updates ik got a full cpu spike
[11:09] <cwillu> fat_rat, the eeepc I'm in charge of is out of the province at the moment, I won't be able to test it on 9.04 for another month or so :p
[11:09] <uniscript> hmw: thanks yes that fixed it.
[11:09] <uniscript> forgot about the plugins
[11:09] <mnemo> amortvigil: ok different bug then, i use gnome
[11:09] <thewrath1> that link i specified needs looked at bc i am not sure if i can update all of those
[11:10] <BUGabundo> FYI alert bug 349462
[11:10] <fat_rat> cwillu: then i have to do it myself ;] ;P
[11:10] <BUGabundo> its going to hit some ppl today
[11:10] <hmw> uniscript: i turned off the notifications in the plugon
[11:10] <cwillu> fat_rat, afaik, it's in better shape than it was in gutsy
[11:10] <hmw> plugoins...
[11:10] <hmw> GAH
[11:10] <amortvigil> is it normal that if you have enough ram youre swap isnt used?
[11:10] <cwillu> amortvigil, generally yes
[11:10] <hmw> amortvigil: very much so
[11:11] <amortvigil> okay:)
[11:11] <hmw> i never saw my swap being used until today... hmm...
[11:11] <cwillu> amortvigil, except in particular circumstances, it's preferable to keep things in memory :p
[11:11] <rconan> hmm... anyone else had Xorg taking 100% CPU?
[11:11] <thewrath1> http://paste.ubuntu.com/138871/ <--- I went through the update manager and updated everything but python
[11:11] <cwillu> heavy file traffic might cause swap out of apps in order to free up memory for cache, that sort of thing
[11:11] <thewrath1> is that corret cwillu ?
[11:11] <amortvigil> rconan: lol im talking about it all the time
[11:12] <rconan> amortvigil: must have missed it
[11:12] <rconan> is it bugged?
[11:12] <amortvigil> rconan: it can be pulse audio
[11:12] <amortvigil> it can be nvidia
[11:12] <amortvigil> it can be xorg
[11:12] <vbgunz> I believe a package may be bad, just not sure what package it is. I can no longer import pyscopg2 into a python session. I get an ImportError -> ImportError: /usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/psycopg2/_psycopg.so: undefined symbol: PyUnicodeUCS4_Decode
[11:12] <vbgunz> anyone know if this is a known issue?
[11:12] <amortvigil> it can be unknown too rconan
[11:12] <thewrath1> python is broken
[11:12] <rconan> on my system it's always the Xorg process
[11:13] <mnemo> vbgunz: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python2.6/+bug/349467
[11:13] <cwillu> some day I'll fix the human genome, such that people read topics and release notes before asking questions that are answered in those topics and release notes :p
[11:13]  * cwillu glares at vbgunz :p
[11:13] <vbgunz> mnemo: wow, you are _amazing_. good looking out :)
[11:13] <hmw> lol.... i want to see that update, cwillu
[11:13] <hmw> i fear, you gotta rewrite the whole thingy
[11:13] <rconan> vbgunz: :p it's in the topic
[11:14] <vbgunz> heh
[11:14] <cwillu> hmw, well, really I'm just in it for all the people who'll sign up for the alpha's before reading my release notes
[11:14] <vbgunz> I just ran //topic. my bad. its right there
[11:14] <cwillu> yes, yes it is :p
[11:14] <hmw> lol
[11:14] <rconan> amortvigil: for me it is always firefox being slow which I notice... how about you?
[11:15] <maxagaz> hi
[11:15] <rconan> in fact... it always seems to be when I'm looking at launchpad
[11:15] <amortvigil> rconan: evey program wich uses network makes cpu spikes
[11:15]  * irunongames is away: Gone away for now
[11:15] <maxagaz> which version of mysql is installed with 9.04-server and is it stable already ?
[11:15] <uniscript> firefox has a special mode when it is talking to launchpad to make it render more slowly, or perhaps it's just that launchpad is a slow site. hmm
[11:16] <cwillu> !info mysql
[11:16] <rconan> I'm unable to even scroll in launchpad, even after it has loaded the whole thing
[11:16] <cwillu> hmm
[11:16] <cwillu> !info mysql-server
[11:16] <frybye> launchpad could apparently use a medium size server FARM and a small size hydro electric station to power it I suspect...
[11:17] <cwillu> !info mysql-server-5.1
[11:17] <cwillu> maxagaz, take your pick
[11:17] <frybye> - especially on the day after a beta-release...
[11:17] <rconan> but it's already downloaded! my computer should be able to handle scrolling down a loaded page
[11:18] <cwillu> rconan, what video chipset?
[11:18] <rconan> nvidia
[11:18] <cwillu> nvidia-settings -a InitialPixmapPlacement=2 -a GlyphCache=1
[11:18] <cwillu> and minimize and reopen
[11:18] <hmw> dtchen is asleep, i guess?
[11:19] <cwillu> BUGabundo, quit your showing off :p
[11:19] <BUGabundo> me??
[11:19] <BUGabundo> I was so quiet!
[11:19] <cwillu> BUGabundo, I saw you in -mozillateam :p
[11:19] <BUGabundo> ahh
[11:19] <BUGabundo> eheh
[11:19] <BUGabundo> I just replied to asac
[11:20] <BUGabundo> it was not my intention to break Ubuntu beta
[11:20] <BUGabundo> eheh
[11:21] <thewrath> BUGabundo: what you broke Jaunty Beta?
[11:21] <BUGabundo> python
[11:21] <BUGabundo> bug 349462
[11:23] <BUGabundo> thewrath: cwillu is picking on me, cause I reported it
[11:23] <BUGabundo> eheh
[11:23] <thewrath> so you are hte one i have to thankful to
[11:23] <thewrath> being honest
[11:23] <thewrath> so i didnt get the python updates
[11:23]  * Ienorand is launchpad-stalking devs.
[11:23] <thewrath> *so i deselected the python updates
[11:23] <IntuitiveNipple> BUGabundo: I've been digging on bug #277903 and think I've found a BIOS bug. I wonder if you might be able to do a test on it at some point?
[11:23] <thewrath> bbl restart
[11:23] <BUGabundo> IntuitiveNipple: for me most of those bugs are FS related
[11:23] <BUGabundo> formating the usbdisk on linux will solve most cases
[11:23] <rconan> cwillu: that didn't really help
[11:23] <rconan> still dodgy
[11:23]  * BUGabundo checks bug
[11:23] <cwillu> rconan, k, it's something else then
[11:24] <cwillu> which I might see in an hour or so once I can reboot into the new xorg
[11:24] <rconan> I had it yesterday too
[11:24] <IntuitiveNipple> BUGabundo: there's a BIOS bug too, that is at the root of it
[11:24] <vbgunz> sorry. I dont download anything from launchpad. it says critical fixed released. But you cannot download the fix? have to wait?
[11:24] <BUGabundo> IntuitiveNipple: nice find
[11:24] <rconan> vbgunz: fix is in the process of being uploaded to repos
[11:24] <BUGabundo> by the way IntuitiveNipple netspeed applet seems to be working again
[11:25] <IntuitiveNipple> BUGabundo: Was that a result of gtk fixes?
[11:25] <BUGabundo> don't know
[11:25] <IntuitiveNipple> BUGabundo: So far the new gtk/gdk looks to be a right mess
[11:25] <BUGabundo> just began working today
[11:25] <BUGabundo> after I changed the device to monitor
[11:25] <TychoQuad> I'm trying to update to jaunty, but I'm getting "W:Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/jaunty/universe/source/Sources.bz2  Hash Sum mismatch" is there a way i can re-get the hashes?
[11:25] <vbgunz> bug 277903
[11:26] <BUGabundo> TychoQuad: python is broken today! devs have 403 some files!!!
[11:26] <rconan> that's not TychoQuad's problem though
[11:27] <TychoQuad> oh, so no updating until python is fixed?
[11:27] <BUGabundo> IntuitiveNipple: humm recently all usb-creator disks I've done Work OK!
[11:27] <rconan> TychoQuad: have you tried doing sudo apt-get update again?
[11:27] <BUGabundo> TychoQuad: no update python until fix, great idea
[11:27] <TychoQuad> I've tried it like 6 times
[11:27] <rconan> hmm...weird
[11:27] <rconan> what mirror?
[11:27] <BUGabundo> changed mirror to main?
[11:27] <TychoQuad> changing mirror
[11:28] <TychoQuad> currently set to main, trying another one
[11:28] <BUGabundo> rconan: maybe main stressed out?
[11:28] <BUGabundo> TychoQuad: DON'T
[11:28] <BUGabundo> you may get python by mistake!
[11:28] <TychoQuad> okay...
[11:28] <BUGabundo> some mirrors may already have rsynced it!
[11:28] <mnemo> the fixed python package is being compiled, you can watch status here: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+builds
[11:28] <rconan> BUGabundo: he'll be fine with *.archive.ubuntu.com"
[11:28] <rconan> I can confirm that gb works
[11:28] <rconan> TychoQuad: ^
[11:28] <BUGabundo> rconan: pt.arc... points to a pt local server
[11:29] <BUGabundo> it may have the files from a previous rsync
[11:29] <rconan> well... I can confirm that gb.arch works
[11:29] <Ienorand> IntuitiveNipple: I followed your debug instructions on bug 284377 and I guess that you suspicion about the IOCTL handler was indeed correct... Anything else that can be done towards resolving this issue?
[11:30] <rconan> cwillu: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-3.0/+bug/38131
[11:30] <rconan> my god it's been around since dapper!
[11:30] <BUGabundo> rconan: cwillu isn't that a flash/jave related bug?
[11:31] <rconan> I have flashblock installed so I doubt it
[11:31] <rconan> and noscript for that matter
[11:31] <cwillu> rconan, are you using nv or nvidia?
[11:31] <rconan> (although launchpad which is the problem page is allowed in noscript
[11:31] <rconan> nvidia
[11:32] <rconan> the only unusual thing is I have randr disabled because I use xinerama
[11:32] <vbgunz> I have a question that has been nagging at me for a while. I have an AMD 64 system and use the binary nvidia driver. I am always asked if I want to install 32bit compatibility *but* I say no. Should I be saying yes here?
[11:32] <cwillu> rconan, that bug is overrun with "me too"'s that are probably unrelated bugs
[11:32] <rconan> vbgunz: where are you asked this?
[11:33] <vbgunz> rconan: during install of the binary driver
[11:33] <rconan> vbgunz: are you using nvidia drivers from the repo?
[11:33] <rconan> if not... why not?
[11:33] <vbgunz> rconan: I am using the run package from nvidia
[11:33] <cwillu> vbgunz, don't do that
[11:33] <rconan> vbgunz: use the repo ones
[11:33] <BUGabundo> vbgunz: one more vote on Don't do that!
[11:34] <vbgunz> I have a long spoon
[11:34] <wgrant> Add another one to that.
[11:34] <TychoQuad> vbgunz, another don't do that
[11:35] <vbgunz> not sure. last time I tried the repos I went through horror and needed envy I believe to get it right. I been using the run package since the very beginning of Jaunty
[11:35] <cwillu> vbgunz, the nvidia run file is known to break things
[11:36] <cwillu> even envy is preferable, as at least it's putting things in standard places and not ripping out files that it doesn't recognize like the upstream installer does
[11:36] <IntuitiveNipple> Ienorand: Thanks for that report. It looks like it does confirm the suspicion
[11:39] <rconan> does no-one else have a problem when searching for a bug on launchpad with firefox becoming unusably slow then?
[11:39] <rconan> download is slow but that's to be expected
[11:39] <TychoQuad> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-3.0/+bug/38131
[11:40] <rconan> TychoQuad: that's the one I pasted
[11:40] <TychoQuad> should have looked harder, lol
[11:40] <rconan> I just thought it would have been fixed sooner considering launchpad is afftected
[11:40] <cwillu> and which is overrun by people posting unrelated bugs (java, flash, javascript, slow scrolling due to unaccelerated video, etc)
[11:40] <amortvigil> what is exactly the differense between 180 and 174 driver of nvidia?
[11:40] <cwillu> amortvigil, win and fail
[11:41] <rconan> problem is I'm not sure if my video is accelerated...
[11:41] <cwillu> use 180 unless it isn't supported for your card
[11:41] <amortvigil> cwillu: 173 works for mee
[11:41] <cwillu> amortvigil, do your window decorations ever get distorted?
[11:41] <rconan> I had to do some strange stuff to Xorg to get Xinerama to work
[11:41] <amortvigil> cwillu: i have an nvidia geforce 7400
[11:41] <cwillu> rconan, glxinfo|grep render
[11:41] <rconan> direct rendering: Yes
[11:41] <rconan> is the bit you were after
[11:41] <cwillu> no
[11:41] <rconan> ?
[11:41] <cwillu> I was after the bit that comes up with the exact line I gave you :p
[11:42] <rconan> OpenGL renderer string: GeForce 8800 GTX/PCI/SSE2 GL_NV_depth_buffer_float, GL_NV_conditional_render, GL_NV_depth_clamp,  GL_NV_vertex_program3, GL_NVX_conditional_render, GL_SGIS_generate_mipmap,
[11:42] <cwillu> thansk :)
[11:42] <cwillu> okay, you've got acceleration working
[11:42] <rconan> thought so
[11:42] <cwillu> (direct rendering isn't bullet proof anymore)
[11:42] <cwillu> or a bullet proof guide, rather
[11:42] <rconan> I know that I can't use compositing
[11:42] <cwillu> really?
[11:43] <rconan> because randr isn't running
[11:43] <cwillu> randr is unrelated
[11:43] <cwillu> and I've got a large dual monitor set up with nvidia and compiz
[11:43] <rconan> I can't run the desktop effects
[11:43] <rconan> cwillu: using twinview?
[11:43] <cwillu> are you using twinview or xinerama
[11:43] <cwillu> you should be using twinview
[11:43] <rconan> or vanilla xinerama?
[11:43] <amortvigil> cwillu: ive got this : OpenGL renderer string: GeForce Go 7300/PCI/SSE2
[11:43] <amortvigil>     GL_NVX_conditional_render, GL_SGIS_generate_mipmap, GL_SGIS_texture_lod,
[11:43] <rconan> cwillu: can't use twinview with two cards
[11:43] <cwillu> twinview
[11:43] <cwillu> rconan, nvidia, you can
[11:44] <rconan> since when?
[11:44] <cwillu> since ever, afaik
[11:44] <cwillu> their man page talks about it extensively
[11:44] <rconan> last time I tried I ended up with two screens, each of which spanned two monitors
[11:44] <BUGabundo> any one here mods at the forums?
[11:44] <vbgunz> so how would I completely uninstall the nvidia run file?
[11:44] <BUGabundo> we are going to have a crysis! ehe
[11:44] <cwillu> vbgunz, can you reinstall fresh?
[11:44] <rconan> vbgunz: could be difficult
[11:44] <rconan> BUGabundo: where?
[11:44] <rconan> why?
[11:44] <vbgunz> cwillu: would really prefer not too
[11:45] <vbgunz> not until the ultimate backup system came about which would probably be in less (hopefully) than 10 years
[11:45] <rconan> vbgunz: it's the only guaranteed way to get rid of the nvidia install since it sometimes deletes random files
[11:45] <cwillu> vbgunz, basically, you're in an very unsupported situation.  You can try to use the .run file to uninstall, and then reboot and reinstall via the hardware drivers dialog
[11:46]  * rconan is gonna try starting again with his monitor configuration
[11:46] <BUGabundo> rconan: users getting python
[11:46] <BUGabundo> all over the forum
[11:46] <amortvigil> cwillu: can it be the problem that i mannually had to nvidia-xconfig?? so that maybe not all modules are laoded in xorg.conf?
[11:46] <cwillu> rconan, I can't guarentee it, but I was under the impression that it worked
[11:46] <vbgunz> well I have no problems. everything seems fine. I thought I ask and give the package from the repos another shot
[11:46] <darthanubis> Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/p/python2.6/libpython2.6_2.6.1-1ubuntu5_amd64.deb
[11:46] <darthanubis>   403 Forbidden [IP: 91.189.88.31 80]
[11:46] <cwillu> darthanubis, read the topic
[11:47] <darthanubis> sorry
[11:47] <BUGabundo> darthanubis: know prob
[11:47] <BUGabundo> pything is broken
[11:47] <BUGabundo> fix is now availble
[11:47] <BUGabundo> https://launchpad.net/bugs/349467
[11:47] <Alastair_> yeah, the new package just got built
[11:49] <BUGabundo> still not in archive
[11:49] <vbgunz> I have this reboot icon in my tray. in no way does it tell me *why* I need to reboot. what is a good way to find out why I need to reboot?
[11:49] <BUGabundo> please hold a few mins
[11:49] <Alastair_> well, give it a few minutes xD
[11:56] <maco> vbgunz: its always because you had an update that requires a reboot
[11:56] <leonbrussels> I have 2 questions regarding Jaunty: If I do update-manager -d, will I get all of the new features (especially improved boot time)? And, will fglrx work?
[11:56] <Ienorand> vbgunz: Hmm, that would probably go down as a feature request... Found this: http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/10021/
[11:57] <peppot> leonbrussels, fglrx is by definition broken. get another video card.
[11:57] <rconan> cwillu: right... now I have the default xorg.conf and a single screen. How would you say I go about getting this to work?
[11:57] <leonbrussels> peppot: Works fine here on Intrepid. Laptop card...
[11:57] <maco> vbgunz: its always because you had an update that requires a reboot
[11:57] <maco> vbgunz: example: the kernel was updated. a new kernel can only be loaded by rebooting
[11:58] <rconan> cwillu: I just thought of another problem though... the two monitors on the second GPU are far the left and far right ones
[11:58] <rconan> wont twinview just not work onthem?
[11:58] <peppot> leonbrussels, compositing is impossible, 2d performance is catastrophic (visible redraws when tabbing between basic windows)...
[11:58] <vbgunz> maco: yeah. I thought this would be a no-brainer. cool to see I am not alone
[11:58] <peppot> leonbrussels, laptop here too
[11:59] <vbgunz> rconan: I have a xorg that uses twinview. I can upload it for you too look at but wouldn't recommend you just copy and paste it *because* I have custom timings that may negatively affect you
[12:00] <rconan> hmm
[12:00] <Q-FUNK> Howdy!  what packages in this morning's update could have contributed to making both totem and rhythmbox get a buffer overflow at startup?
[12:00] <vbgunz> rconan: http://dpaste.com/19932/
[12:00] <leonbrussels> peppot: All I can say is that it works for me in Intrepid. Can you suggest any alternatives that work better (and maybe even on Jaunty?)
[12:00] <vbgunz> it might work for you out of the box. I have 2 17 inch CRT monitors
[12:00] <wgrant> Q-FUNK: Potentially the python2.6 disaster.
[12:00] <Q-FUNK> oh
[12:00] <wgrant> Q-FUNK: You could downgrade python2.6(-minimal) and see if that fixes it.
[12:01] <peppot> leonbrussels, no, all alternatives for me in jaunty have been painfully slow. can't recommend upgrading from intrepid, but then again I don't know if it's fglrx or jaunty that's holding back performance
[12:01] <Q-FUNK> ok
[12:01] <Q-FUNK> where would I find older releases?
[12:01] <peppot> leonbrussels, but you seem to have good performance in 8.10, perhaps I should switch back to that
[12:01] <wgrant> -ati works fine on all of my cards here.
[12:01] <rconan> vbgunz: do you get compositing with that config?
[12:01] <vbgunz> rconan: yes
[12:01] <wgrant> Q-FUNK: /var/cache/apt/archives, perhaps. Otherwise -0ubuntu4 on https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python2.6
[12:01]  * BUGabundo should ear badges for all the work at Forums
[12:01] <leonbrussels> wgrant: It works fine too, but compiz performance is much slower
[12:01] <rconan> that isn't twinview... that uses the xserver's xinerama extension
[12:02] <rconan> oh no... xinerama "0"
[12:02]  * rconan is confused
[12:02] <vbgunz> rconan: heh, I set it up quite a while back. it works for my needs just fine.
[12:03] <cwillu> rconan, it's not twinview (my mistake), but I don't see any reason in the docs why composite shouldn't be available
[12:03] <leonbrussels> if I do update-manager -d, will I get startup time improvements
[12:03] <leonbrussels> ?
[12:03] <wgrant> leonbrussels: Most probably.
[12:03] <leonbrussels> wgrant: Cool
[12:03] <Q-FUNK> 2.6.1-1ubuntu5 found in pbuilder cache. let's try it
[12:03] <leonbrussels> thx, I guess I'll upgrade then
[12:03] <wgrant> Q-FUNK: That's the broken one.
[12:04] <rconan> because xinerama and randr don't play nice...
[12:04] <rconan> and composite seems to require randr
[12:04] <vbgunz> rconan: the nvidia utlitiy tells me it is twinview
[12:04] <cwillu> composite extension is unrelated to xrandr
[12:04] <BluesKaj> Will jaunty run my fav kde3 apps like konversation and amarok 1.4 ?
[12:04] <TychoQuad> leonbrussels, let me know if you get to the package downloading stage
[12:04] <Q-FUNK> wgrant: is it?  I though that ubuntu9 was the most recent?
[12:04] <TychoQuad> i haven't been able to get that far
[12:04] <acicula> BluesKaj: i think so
[12:04] <rconan> vbgunz: it is... I read wrong
[12:04] <acicula> BluesKaj: it still comes with kde3?
[12:05] <Q-FUNK> ööööö sorry, I meant 2.6.1-0ubuntu9
[12:05] <wgrant> Q-FUNK: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python2.6 says otherwise.
[12:05] <wgrant> Right.
[12:05] <wgrant> That's old.
[12:05] <acicula> is jaunty going to be an lts release btw?
[12:05] <wgrant> Old enough, but possibly too old.
[12:05] <wgrant> acicula: No.
[12:05] <Q-FUNK> yup, but it's what I have on hand
[12:05] <wgrant> acicula: 10.04 will be.
[12:05] <vbgunz> if you have 2 CRTs you can try. I have 2 17 inch monitors and its been flawless for me for a long time now. I have a 5 button mouse setup in there too. you might want to check that out
[12:05] <acicula> wgrant: ah
[12:06] <Q-FUNK> wgrant: confirmed. downgrading all python2.6 goodies fixes it
[12:06] <wgrant> Q-FUNK: OK, excellent.
[12:06] <wgrant> It wasn't entirely clear that those problems were related to the Python issue, but both did crop up around the same time.
[12:06] <BluesKaj> acicula , I'm on KDE4.2 atm and I run those apps very well . I don't care for amarok2 much , and quassel is ok , but i don't like it's layout much. Hence the question about preserving my old favs :)
[12:06] <rconan> cwillu: can I see your config?
[12:07] <acicula> BluesKaj: well if you want your old apps you probably need to install part of kde3 at least and those applications, but they generally are setup such that they can coexist
[12:08] <acicula> BluesKaj: unless support for kde3 was removed with jaunty?
[12:08] <vbgunz> the only thing I dont like about quassel is its handling of logs. it deletes a chats log entirely *if* if you delete the buffer which sucks :/
[12:08] <BluesKaj> acicula , kde 3 apps run alongside kde4 on intrepid
[12:08] <vbgunz> but I love the top window in quassels default layout. thats cool
[12:09] <vbgunz> damn I am hitting about 40KB average just updating
[12:09] <BluesKaj> so Intrepid still supports kde3 . I hope jaunty does
[12:09] <maco> no
[12:09] <maco> kde doesnt even support kde3 anymore, do they?
[12:10] <darthanubis> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python2.6/+bug/349467/comments/6
[12:10] <acicula> maco: you can install the kde3 system and libraries along side
[12:10] <BUGabundo> vbgunz: on my laptop with NV 8400 dual monitor I get 130FPS on compiz benchmark
[12:10] <maco> acicula: probably, but none will be shipped standard
[12:10] <vbgunz> BUGabundo: I dont think I use compiz unless KDE4 kwin uses it
[12:10] <maco> yeah konversation's still available
[12:10] <vbgunz> I am on Kubuntu
[12:10] <BluesKaj> kde 3 is mature , it doesn't need much support
[12:11] <BUGabundo> $ glxgears
[12:11] <BUGabundo> 2797 frames in 5.0 seconds = 558.744 FPS
[12:11] <BUGabundo> 539 frames in 5.0 seconds = 107.711 FPS
[12:11] <vbgunz> 20526 frames in 5.0 seconds = 4104.466 FPS
[12:11] <vbgunz> 18480 frames in 5.0 seconds = 3694.223 FPS
[12:11] <BUGabundo> vbgunz: maximize it on the largest screen
[12:11] <vbgunz> never thought about it
[12:11] <vbgunz> ok
[12:12] <BUGabundo> wait 10 secsr
[12:12] <BUGabundo> report back
[12:12] <wgrant> BUGabundo: None of the fixes are on the main mirror yet.
[12:12] <vbgunz> 5388 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1077.600 FPS
[12:12] <vbgunz> 2393 frames in 5.0 seconds = 478.578 FPS
[12:12] <BUGabundo> vbgunz: way better card then mine
[12:12] <vbgunz> it drops after the first, why?
[12:12] <BUGabundo> wgrant: no? some one mentioned it was build and availble! duh
[12:12] <Pici> glxgears is not a benchmark
[12:13] <acicula> ^^
[12:13] <wgrant> BUGabundo: They're not published yet.
[12:13] <BUGabundo> Pici: any other tool to have a quick look?
[12:13] <rconan> what they said
[12:13] <wgrant> Pici: I yearn for the days when it required you to pass -iacknowledgethatthistoolisnotabenchmark
[12:13] <acicula> BUGabundo: phoronix.org
[12:13] <Pici> wgrant: ditto
[12:13] <BUGabundo> I like richards.py
[12:13] <acicula> mind you their testsuit is extensive
[12:13] <acicula> very extensive, dont download every test, heh
[12:14] <vbgunz> BUGabundo: I just tried glxgears -fullscreen on 2048x1120 and hit 405FPS average
[12:14] <BUGabundo> $ python richards.py
[12:14] <BUGabundo> Richards benchmark (Python) starting... [<function entry_point at 0x7fced45a3c80>]finished.
[12:14] <BUGabundo> Total time for 10 iterations: 4.01 secs
[12:14] <BUGabundo> Average time per iteration: 401.17 ms
[12:15] <BUGabundo> vbgunz: what card do own?
[12:15] <vbgunz> a 7950 GX2
[12:16] <vbgunz> its a dual 512 GDDR3 card from nvidia
[12:16] <BUGabundo> nice bit
[12:16] <BUGabundo> so a desktop one
[12:16] <BUGabundo> mine is a one year old on laptop
[12:17] <vbgunz> I can tell you one thing though. I believe the sli is rotten on Windows. Left 4 Dead I can play maxed out *but* the only thing I have to put on medium is shaders. that setting alone though makes a big difference. I just dont think sli works on that game
[12:17] <vbgunz> whether I play it with a single GPU or in sli, I actually get the same exact performance no matter what :/
[12:17] <BluesKaj> vbgunz run , glxinfo | grep direct , to see what it's really named
[12:18] <vbgunz> direct rendering: Yes
[12:18] <vbgunz>     GL_EXT_direct_state_access, GL_EXT_draw_range_elements, GL_EXT_fog_coord,
[12:18] <BluesKaj> then lspci | grep VGA
[12:18] <BUGabundo> direct rendering: Yes    GL_EXT_depth_bounds_test, GL_EXT_direct_state_access,
[12:18] <vbgunz> thats all I got
[12:18] <BUGabundo> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation GeForce 8400M G (rev a1)
[12:18] <BluesKaj> sry , lspci | grep VGA
[12:18] <vbgunz> 04:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation G71 [GeForce 7900 GX2] (rev a1)
[12:19] <vbgunz> thats wierd. its labeled on the card as a 7900 GTX duo *but* my nvidia utility shows it as a 7950 GX2
[12:19] <BluesKaj> both decent cards , BUGabundo , vbgunz
[12:20] <BUGabundo> vbgunz: ROFL! you got dunked!
[12:20] <vbgunz> I heard Sli was broken on those cards and after enabling it in Windows for L4D I sort of believe it
[12:21] <vbgunz> BUGabundo: you wanna hear something real cool? that card was given to me. for less than 550 I built a really nice box with that :)
[12:22] <vbgunz> I think I now know why it may have been given to me ;)
[12:22] <BluesKaj> vbgunz, the nvidia drivers fit a lot of versions of the 7000 series
[12:23] <vbgunz> I only game and so I believe only really take advantage of the card in Windows. on GNU/Linux which I use for everything else, with compositing enabled. well, it more than fits the bill
[12:23] <vbgunz> am really considering a 295 GTX I believe.
[12:24] <vbgunz> I think it would have to fall off a truck though for me to get it now :)
[12:25] <BUGabundo> vbgunz: calm a bit down!
[12:25] <BUGabundo> you are getting a bit OT, and some one  may not like it
[12:26] <vbgunz> BUGabundo: heh, it can stay on the truck, but the price will have to fall off so to say ;)
[12:27] <rconan> cwillu: sorry if you already saw this message earlier... any chance I could see your xorg.conf?
[12:27] <darthanubis> pulse still broken
[12:27] <darthanubis> there is scratching before you paly anything
[12:27] <BUGabundo> with dtchen kernel image?
[12:27] <BUGabundo> or todays kernel?
[12:27] <darthanubis> you have to wait after the glitch to restart the app with sound
[12:28] <darthanubis> BUGabundo, todays kernel
[12:28] <darthanubis> he said todays kernel would fix the issue
[12:28] <Lachkater> isn't there a alternate jaunty beta cd avaible for download?
[12:29] <BUGabundo> Lachkater: yes
[12:29] <BUGabundo> there's an alternate cd
[12:29] <BUGabundo>  !daily
[12:29] <BUGabundo> you have both daily and daily-live
[12:29] <BUGabundo> daily is the alternate
[12:29] <BUGabundo> DVD as both!
[12:29] <Lachkater> cool thank you :>
[12:41] <SandGorgon>  has anybody used Reconstructor to make a custom livecd-installer ? Is it recommended vs some other method..
[12:41] <BUGabundo> SandGorgon: I haven't!
[12:41] <BUGabundo> been looking for an easy way to do it
[12:42] <BUGabundo> usually I just extract it all from the image, mount loop, and chroot
[12:42] <SandGorgon> BUGabundo: hmm... allright. is your method documented somewhere, so I can follow a step-by-step ?
[12:45] <BUGabundo> SandGorgon: It is! some page on wiki.
[12:45] <bsnider> python's broken? who broke it?
[12:46]  * BUGabundo looks 
[12:46] <SandGorgon> BUGabundo: great... what do i search for in Google?
[12:46] <acicula> it ate something to big
[12:46] <BUGabundo> bsnider: please see bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python2.6/+bug/349467
[12:46] <BUGabundo> bsnider: 20min or so for it to be in archive
[12:46] <bsnider> i guess it isn't broken if a fix has been released
[12:47] <BUGabundo> SandGorgon: good question! I can't find it myself on google! I have the page saved offline! let me see if I can dig the URL from there
[12:47] <acicula> SandGorgon: linuxfromscratch pages probably have something on it
[12:47] <BUGabundo> I know it was pain in the ass to follow
[12:47] <BUGabundo> too many steps
[12:47] <BUGabundo> that's why I wished there was One Click does it all app
[12:48] <acicula> heu, the installers for that
[12:48] <acicula> and you can automate the installer too i think, ubuntu wiki
[12:48] <SandGorgon> BUGabundo: ugh... could you pastebin it maybe ?
[12:49] <organo> hey, can anyone tell me why do programs like firefox, GIMP and emesene look ugly and not intergrated with my theme? I'm on kubuntu 9.04 beta
[12:50] <BUGabundo> SandGorgon: its HTML lol. but I can upload it if all else fails
[12:51] <BUGabundo> SandGorgon: wiki name LiveCDCustomization
[12:51] <mofux> hi
[12:51] <BUGabundo> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization?action=fullsearch&value=linkto%3A%22LiveCDCustomization%22&context=180
[12:51] <BUGabundo> mofux: hi
[12:52] <mofux> i'm just trying to upgrade from kubuntu 8.04 to jaunty beta
[12:52] <mofux> but it's missing packages at the upgrade
[12:52] <mofux> or better said... it cannot fetch them
[12:52] <ketilwaa> Hi there. How do I change the settings for the crash manager. I checked to not be notified by some crashing apps, but need the response anyhow
[12:52] <Pici> mofux: you cannot upgrade from 8.04 to 9.04 in one shot.  You need to upgrade to 8.10 first.
[12:52] <BUGabundo> SandGorgon: did you get it?
[12:52] <mofux> oh sorry, i'm on 8.10
[12:53] <BUGabundo> mofux: python bug most probably
[12:53] <mofux> yes
[12:53] <BUGabundo> please see bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python2.6/+bug/349467
[12:53] <mofux> how to fix it?
[12:53] <BUGabundo> wait half an hour
[12:53] <SandGorgon> BUGabundo: got the link u sent. great thanks... let me digest it !
[12:53] <mofux> BUGabundo: ok, will do
[12:53] <BUGabundo> mofux: how are you upgrading ?
[12:53] <BUGabundo> update-manager-kde -d ?
[12:53] <mofux> yup
[12:53] <mofux> exactly
[12:53] <BUGabundo> welcome on board!
[12:53] <mofux> :)
[12:53] <BUGabundo> we will be waiting for you
[12:54]  * BUGabundo thinks python should be hitting 8.04
[12:54] <BUGabundo> mofux: humm can you please pastebin you sources.list?
[12:54] <BUGabundo> or at least the error ?
[12:54] <mofux> yup
[12:54] <BUGabundo> thans
[12:55] <aVirulence> hi all, all my Python packages seem to be broken after the latest apt-get upgrade.. is this a known issue?
[12:55] <Pici> Yes.
[12:55] <BUGabundo> SandGorgon: I think this I it https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallCDCustomization
[12:55] <BUGabundo> aVirulence:  please see bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python2.6/+bug/349467
[12:55] <ketilwaa> aVirulence: see topic
[12:55] <mofux> argh, pastebin says my log is spam and won't let me post :(
[12:55] <mofux> weirdo
[12:55] <mofux> Failed to fetch http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/p/python2.6/python2.6-minimal_2.6.1-1ubuntu5_i386.deb 404 Not Found [IP: 141.76.2.130 80]
[12:55] <mofux> Failed to fetch http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/p/python2.6/python2.6_2.6.1-1ubuntu5_i386.deb 404 Not Found [IP: 141.76.2.130 80]
[12:55] <mofux> Failed to fetch http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/p/python2.6/libpython2.6_2.6.1-1ubuntu5_i386.deb 404 Not Found [IP: 141.76.2.130 80]
[12:55] <mofux> ^sorry for spamming the channel
[12:55]  * BUGabundo ohhh I missed /topic
[12:55] <Pici> mofux: Don't do that.
[12:56] <BUGabundo>  !pastebin
[12:56] <BUGabundo> Pici: does 8.04 also get it by the python bug?
[12:56] <Pici> mofux, BUGabundo, ma: The python upgrade has been blocked due to the aformentioned issues, just wait for it to be resolved and the urls will work again.
[12:56] <thewrath> why when i try to download the beta is it slow as hekc
[12:56] <mofux> thanks
[12:57] <sirderigo> this is the channel for the person trying jaunty jackalope?
[12:57] <BUGabundo> thewrath: everyone is hammering the server??
[12:57] <BUGabundo> sirderigo: yes
[12:57] <mofux> Pici: cool, better to have an failed upgrade then a failed system :)
[12:57] <thewrath> oh ok
[12:57] <BUGabundo> eheh
[12:57] <Pici> mofux: Exactly.
[12:57] <thewrath> thought everyone got it last night
[12:57] <thewrath> lol
[12:57] <BUGabundo> thewrath: if you had follow my tip yesterday it would be faster
[12:57] <mofux> Pici: do you have a clue how long it might take?
[12:57] <BluesKaj> mofux ,I repeat,  you can't skip a release , you have to upgrade 8.10 first , then upgrade to Jaunty
[12:58]  * ma thinks it's perhaps a day too early for beta testing...
[12:58] <BluesKaj> to 8.10
[12:58] <mofux> BluesKaj: i'm on 8.10...
[12:58] <mofux> i did write it wrong above
[12:58] <mofux> sorry
[12:58] <ma> BluesKaj: the Beta testing websites suggest that upgrading from 8.04 is also possible, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/JauntyUpgrades - this could deserve sorting out then...
[12:58] <Pici> mofux: The fix has been released, it just needs to build and then propogate to the mirrors. So... sometime today.
[12:59] <mofux> ok, thakns alot guys
[12:59] <BluesKaj> mofux, earlier you said you were on 8.04
[12:59] <antoranz> guys! I'm getting three packages as "Forbidden" when I try to update
[12:59] <cwillu> antoranz, read the topic
[12:59] <antoranz> can any of you work on that?
[12:59] <mofux> BluesKaj: yep, sorry for that... i'm always messing those numbers
[12:59] <ma> antoranz: they're on it
[12:59] <Pici> antoranz: Its like that on purpose.
[12:59] <Pici> antoranz: So that people don't break their systems with a broken python package.
[12:59]  * BUGabundo wonders how many bugs have been filed on python and mirrors about this in 2h
[13:00] <mofux> hehe :)
[13:00] <BUGabundo> (12:57:28 PM) infinity: New python2.6 binaries are being pushed to mirrors, FWIW.
[13:00] <antoranz> k
[13:00] <thewrath> FWIW?
[13:00] <thewrath> BUGabundo: when do you think speeds will be back to normal
[13:00] <aVirulence> for what it's worth?
[13:00] <antoranz> and what was the problem?
[13:00] <ketilwaa> Anyone: How do I change the settings for the crash manager. I checked to not be notified by some crashing apps, but need the response anyhow
[13:01] <antoranz> they figured out something after having made the beta announcement?
[13:01] <thewrath> python is broken
[13:01] <BUGabundo> thewrath: in 5 weeks ROFL
[13:01] <BluesKaj> ok np, mofux  have you read this tutorial to upgrade from 8.10 ? , http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/jaunty/beta
[13:01] <thewrath> come on
[13:01] <sirderigo> the beta is really good, but yes python is death :(
[13:01] <mofux> BluesKaj: thanks for your help.. i think i know what went wrong now... yes i've read it
[13:01] <sirderigo> and performous, amarok, and banshee donesnt work
[13:01] <thewrath> bbl
[13:02] <thewrath> going to boot into ubuntu and update since i am not get the beta .iso atm
[13:02] <antoranz> oh... now you hit me with amarok. I have started to hate it
[13:02] <aurel42> Howdy, it seems since upgrading to jaunty, something is wrong<tm> with ssh-agent. After a while of working with it, ssh-add suddenly claims it cannot access the authentication agent, even though ssh-agent is still running.
[13:02] <aurel42> Is this a known issue?
[13:03] <antoranz> half of the songs in my meizu don't even show up in my collection
[13:03] <BUGabundo> aurel42: see topic
[13:03] <aurel42> BUGabundo: which part? the "not supported" part?
[13:03] <BUGabundo> eheh
[13:03] <sirderigo> antoranz, it read all my music but doesnt work
[13:03] <BUGabundo> no python breakage
[13:04] <aurel42> BUGabundo: I wasn't aware that ssh-agent has to do with Python.
[13:04] <antoranz> well.... it does work in my box... a little unreliably, but works
[13:04] <sirderigo> yesss there is a lot of updates!
[13:04] <sirderigo> i am actually using exaile
[13:04] <antoranz> but it's like it's connected to my likes neurons wirelessly, cause all the songs that I really LIKE, they won't show up
[13:05] <mtholdenss> hey, i got the jaunty beta 64 bit on a mac, and can't get desktop effects to work
[13:05] <thunderstruck> its too damn early for this
[13:05] <sirderigo> Andphe, wellcome my friend
[13:05] <aurel42> BUGabundo: also, I've upgraded to jaunty a couple of days ago, the problem has been present ever since and the python breakage seems to be a new issue.
[13:05] <Andphe> :)
[13:06] <BUGabundo> aurel42: ok
[13:06] <BUGabundo> then that's another thing!
[13:06] <sirderigo> gnomefreak, i too like AC/DC :D
[13:06] <aurel42> ssh-agent isn't a Python script, either. It's an ELF binary.
[13:06] <sirderigo> in a intel dual core, 1.73 ghz, 2 GB ram, jaunty hang up sometimes
[13:07] <cetanhota> Morning, has anyone tried to put 9.04 in a Vmware session?
[13:07] <sirderigo> cetanhota, i am installing vmware server right now
[13:07] <BUGabundo> guys, lunch for me! hold the fort until I came back!
[13:08] <sirderigo> BUGabundo, we will resist, no one enemy will get in
[13:08] <sirderigo> i think i like vmware.
[13:08] <cetanhota> I am having issues install the VMware tools, and all that happens is the file browser opens over and over. does not stop till I cancel the install.
[13:09] <antoranz> the hell with the fort. I'll take a nap... or better yet, read some more news
[13:09] <mnemo> here we go, python fix available in apt-get
[13:10] <sirderigo> mnemo, thats very good, i am actually upgrading
[13:10] <BUGabundo> (01:09:56 PM) mnemo: python fix available through main apt-get (not sure about mirrors)
[13:10] <sirderigo>  and later i will try to install pyragua
[13:10] <BUGabundo> guys hammer the server.... go get your FIX!
[13:10] <sirderigo> BUGabundo, the ubuntu central server?
[13:10] <mofux> yippie :)
[13:10] <BUGabundo> yep
[13:10] <BUGabundo> bye
[13:10] <sirderigo> BUGabundo, bye :)
[13:11] <ketilwaa> Would anyone  like to help with somethin not python related? How do I change the settings for the crash manager? I checked to not be notified by some crashing apps, but need the response anyhow. If nobody knows I'll shut up for now.
[13:12] <sirderigo> mmm
[13:12] <sirderigo> i will search a little, give me a second
[13:13] <billybigrigger_> BUGabundo, python python-central
[13:13] <billybigrigger_>   python-cupshelpers python-minimal python2.6 python2.6-minimal
[13:13] <billybigrigger_> BUGabundo, those are the fixed packages? along with libpython2.6
[13:14] <mnemo> yes
[13:14] <billybigrigger_> roger
[13:14] <rconan> ubuntu really needs to use diffs on the package lists...
[13:14] <rconan> downloading them at 60kb/s takes some time
[13:14] <rconan> s/b/B
[13:15] <billybigrigger_> 60k/sec, lucky you
[13:15] <billybigrigger_> haha
[13:15] <billybigrigger_> 30-40 here
[13:15]  * rconan is used to 1.6MB/s but is visiting parents at the moment
[13:16] <billybigrigger_> roger, i get 2.5MB/s here on a good day, but the main buntu server is just getting pile drived since yesterday
[13:16] <sirderigo> sirderigo, have 51.4 kbps rightnow
[13:16] <sirderigo> now i have 32 kbps
[13:16] <sirderigo> and now 15
[13:16] <rconan> I would imagine so
[13:16] <sirderigo> :'(
[13:16] <cetanhota> I will patch my VMware Guest to all current levels then try to install the vmware tools. will let you know what happens.
[13:16] <sirderigo> cetanhota, dont go broken your system ;)
[13:17] <cetanhota> Its no big deal if I do, its a vm, i can just start over. This is why I love VM!
[13:17] <cetanhota> I will take a snapshot of the VM once its patched, so if I muck it up, simple to start over.
[13:17] <sirderigo> cetanhota, oops, i am using jaunty like first and only one system
[13:18] <sirderigo> well actually i think i hace a debian sid installed
[13:18] <rconan> I'm using it on both of mine
[13:18] <rconan> needed the new Xorg to fix a bug I was having
[13:18] <cetanhota> My host is a mac, I have several guests install right now.
[13:18] <sirderigo> rconan, i now can use twinview whitout non-sleep week!
[13:20] <mtholdenss> getting no where here, geeze where are the mac users that were on last night
[13:20] <sirderigo> i have a stupid question, what version of vmware i need to download?
[13:20] <sirderigo> i already have server but i want desktop
[13:22] <BluesKaj> looks like the jaunty beta servewrs are getting hammered
[13:22] <mtholdenss> try torrents
[13:23] <cetanhota> sirderigo, let me look. I know the mac version, not sure of the pc version
[13:23] <sirderigo> cetanhota, :
[13:23] <BluesKaj> I
[13:24] <BluesKaj> I'm getting 60kb/sec
[13:24] <cetanhota> sirderigo, what os is going to be your host?
[13:25] <sirderigo> cetanhota, i cant say, i think whatever yo can download, in this moment i am thinking in freebes
[13:25] <sirderigo> freebsd
[13:25] <sirderigo> but i will force mac too, and i think 2 or 3 ubuntu for probes and
[13:26] <cetanhota> sirderigo: check this link. https://www.vmware.com/tryvmware/?p=workstation-w they have a 30 day trial.
[13:26] <thewrath> hey all
[13:27] <thewrath> how do i see if any of my stuff is muted for sound
[13:27] <cetanhota> serderigo, you could also look at virtualbox, its a sun product and its free. www.virtualbox.org
[13:27] <thewrath> bc i get sound through computer speakers but through headphones i do
[13:28] <sirderigo> cetanhota, i use virtualbox, but i want to try VMWARE
[13:29] <cetanhota> sirderigo, that vm link should help. they have a 30 day trial, it a full version.
[13:29] <thewrath> vmware yuck
[13:29] <thewrath> virtual box rocks
[13:29] <sirderigo> really?
[13:29] <sirderigo> i heard vmware was better
[13:30] <cetanhota> I like the free aspect of virtual box, but I do find that the performance is way better with vm.
[13:30] <sirderigo> why vmware server is free (as in free beer) and vmware (other) no
[13:30] <cetanhota> I used virtualbox for awhile, but once I could get vmware I made the purchase.
[13:33] <unixdawg> so did we go beta ?
[13:34] <cwillu> unixdawg, no, we cancelled the whole thing
[13:34] <cwillu> we're all switching to windows 7 instead, with a nice brown theme
[13:34] <Viking_kong> ya, ubuntu is dead
[13:34] <unixdawg> lol
[13:34] <Viking_kong> as well as fedora
[13:34] <unixdawg> ok windows 7 coool
[13:35] <sirderigo> what the baby are you thelling!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[13:35]  * cwillu suggests that reading the topic would be a good way of determining whether beta was out, presuming that ubuntu.com was too far out of your way :p
[13:35]  * sirderigo changed hell for baby
[13:41] <Mithrandir> hm, isn't libvirt supposed to start dnsmasq on the virtual bridge interface?  Or was that the previous version and they've NIH-ed it?
[13:45] <XenoPhoenix> From #ubuntu: Hi guys, currently on jaunty, what's the best tips for power saving on ubuntu? I currently get 2.5 hours of battery life on my laptop, where as with windows 7 I currently get 5+
[13:46] <maxb> You might want to play with powertop
[13:46] <cwillu> XenoPhoenix, powertop, open drivers, laptop-mode-tools, and a willingness to experiment
[13:46] <maxb> I hear the display driver may make a huge difference
[13:46] <acicula> wireless too
[13:46] <XenoPhoenix> I'm a little wary of powertop, last time I went with I ended up with X not restarting after a zap and an inability to come out from a suspend
[13:47] <XenoPhoenix> yeah bartman in ubuntu mentioned display drivers
[13:47] <XenoPhoenix> it's an intel X3100 in a hp 2710p here
[13:47] <cwillu> XenoPhoenix, powertop is just a display tool with some builting tweaks that you can safely ignore
[13:47] <cwillu> (diagnostic tool rather, not a display)
[13:47] <XenoPhoenix> currently on the default intel driver which i was lead to understand is quite good
[13:47] <XenoPhoenix> ah I was told to apply the tweaks last time
[13:47] <XenoPhoenix> i guess that was a bad move? :p
[13:48] <cwillu> well, alot of them are simply inappropriate depending on various details of your use and hardware
[13:48] <XenoPhoenix> ah fair enough :)
[13:49] <billybigrigger_> anyone else having problems upgrading the fixed python packages?
[13:49] <cwillu> you should have <10 wakeups per second generally to help with the battery life (as displayed by powertop), beyond that gets into avoiding having the drive spin up (laptop-mode-tools is useful there, although I don't know for sure that simply installing it is enough to enable it)
[13:49] <XenoPhoenix> ok I'll have a play with them to see, just apting powertop now
[13:50] <XenoPhoenix> though I was interested about how to proceed with the display driver
[13:51] <billybigrigger_> http://pastebin.com/m4e998acf
[13:51] <billybigrigger_> forbidden ip error when trying to upgrade the new python fix
[13:51] <billybigrigger_> anyone else getting this? or just me?
[13:51] <XenoPhoenix> same here billybigrigger
[13:51] <billybigrigger_> hmm
[13:51] <cwillu> the fixed package isn't up yet afaik
[13:51] <bazhang> did you see the topic?
[13:51] <XenoPhoenix> ah ;)\
[13:51] <cwillu> you're trying to download the broken version, which has been forbidden for your protection :p
[13:52] <billybigrigger_> well someone said the fixed pkg's where on the servers
[13:52] <cwillu> bazhang, I've got this python error :p
[13:52] <billybigrigger_> ahh
[13:52] <billybigrigger_> roger
[13:52] <mnemo> maybe it didnt sync to mirrors yet? i've gotten the fixed version from apt-get earlier today for sure
[13:52] <billybigrigger_> im hitting the main server
[13:52] <XenoPhoenix> mine appears to be fine now (UK mirror)
[13:53] <billybigrigger_> XenoPhoenix, did you apt-get --fix-missing?
[13:53] <billybigrigger_> or just apt-get upgrade
[13:54] <XenoPhoenix> this was from synaptic
[13:54] <billybigrigger_> ahh
[13:55] <thewrath> anyone know where dchens link is to the kernal upgrade that you can get that fixes some things bc of the freeze
[13:55] <Trymon> Hello, does anybody has a qualcomm gobi / HP un2400 Card and tryed to activate it with jaunty? Google and ubuntu forums couldn't help me.
[13:58] <XenoPhoenix> think we may have found our problem here, powertop reports ~255 wakeups per second :/
[14:00] <XenoPhoenix> 62.6% (226.5)       <interrupt> : i915@pci:0000:00:02.0  <-- that's the main culprit
[14:01]  * maxb makes note to check his own i915-based netbook
[14:02] <XenoPhoenix> heh
[14:03] <kneeki> Anyone have a link to Kubuntu 9.10 Beta torrent?
[14:04] <acicula> for me it's the wireless, accounting for 50% of the wakeups heh
[14:04] <gotgnu> is the 64 bit firefox the defualt in Jaunty ?
[14:04] <acicula> gotgnu: depends if you installed the 32 or 64 bit version
[14:04] <acicula> of jaunty that is
[14:05] <XenoPhoenix> so what steps should I take to reduce thoose wakeups?
[14:06] <gotgnu> I installed the 64
[14:06] <gnomefreak> its 64 than most likely i dont have a 64 PC laying around
[14:07] <XenoPhoenix> kneeki, 32 or 64?
[14:07] <kneeki> XenoPhoenix: I'd like to try 64 bit
[14:07] <Laruft_> hi, i'm finding running konversation or amarok causes lock up
[14:07] <XenoPhoenix> ooh you wanted 9.10?
[14:07] <XenoPhoenix> not 9.04
[14:08] <kneeki> XenoPhoenix: Yeah, 9.10  Beta
[14:08] <XenoPhoenix> ah sorry only have 9.04 to hand
[14:08] <kneeki> I can find the direct download link to the iso, but not a torrent. Torrents are ubar fast
[14:08] <gnomefreak> kneeki: ther eis no 9.10
[14:09] <kneeki> errrr
[14:09] <gnomefreak> latest beta is 9.04
[14:09] <kneeki> lol yeah
[14:09] <kneeki> I was mixing ver numbers -_-
[14:09] <kneeki> gnomefreak: smack me next time I do that ;)
[14:09] <kneeki> XenoPhoenix: Can I get the 9.04 link?
[14:10] <gnomefreak> kneeki: its in the topic
[14:10] <XenoPhoenix> I was going to say I didn't thin there was a 9.10 :P
[14:10] <gnomefreak> kneeki: type /t to read it
[14:10] <gnomefreak> kneeki: i would hold off on it
[14:10] <XenoPhoenix> see PM for the link
[14:10] <kneeki> gnomefreak: Oh?
[14:11] <gnomefreak> seeing as python is broken i would wait
[14:11] <gnomefreak> kneeki: python is a major thing in Ubuntu as well as most dists
[14:12] <kneeki> Hmm, I just wanted to get a feel for the interface. I've used Gnome my entire Ubuntu experience, and I don't think I like it
[14:12] <maxb> It's fixed again already, unless your mirror is lagging
[14:12] <maxb> Also, didn't the breakage happen *after* beta, anyway?
[14:12] <rconan> XenoPhoenix: poke...
[14:13] <XenoPhoenix> keep your pokes to yourself rconan ;)
[14:13] <gnomefreak> maxb: yes but upgrading may not give him the updated one since it browk after beta release
[14:13] <kneeki> Gnome feels like it's really flimsy, or going to break or something. Also, not every window seems to have theme support, so while using apt or updates, it feels really weird
[14:13] <XenoPhoenix> kneeki, apt / updates will be using the root theme rather than the user one
[14:13] <maxb> gnomefreak: As it broke after beta, why are you advising him to hold off downloading a beta iso?
[14:14] <BUGabundo> back
[14:14] <kneeki> XenoPhoenix: Why not keep the same theme throughout?
[14:14] <gnomefreak> maxb: he is looking for the beta disk
[14:14] <XenoPhoenix> your can symbolically link them so they appear the same though this isn't always advisable as it will be less obvious if you running a gui app as root
[14:14] <XenoPhoenix> ^^
[14:14] <gnomefreak> s/disk/iso
[14:14] <maxb> gnomefreak: Indeed. And I completely fail to understand what the python breakage has to do with downloading a beta disk
[14:15] <gnomefreak> maxb: it doesnt however the updates after he installs it will have borked python
[14:15] <unixdawg> ok updated
[14:15] <gnomefreak> afaik it hasnt been widely fixed yet but i will know more when i get finished with hg
[14:15] <maxb> gnomefreak: No they won't. The borked python was disabled in the archive
[14:16] <kneeki> gnomefreak: So, even if I update the OS after install, it would be broken?
[14:16] <gnomefreak> maxb: oh it was held back?
[14:16] <gnomefreak> kneeki: hold on a sec
[14:16] <gnomefreak> kneeki: you can try it but be known that there may/will be problems as it is beta
[14:17] <kneeki> Well of course
[14:17] <BUGabundo> mirrors are still upgrading!
[14:18] <billybigrigger_> flashplugin-nonfree still buggy for most people? like having to fully close firefox and restart it to get rid of the white box that should be a flash video?
[14:18] <billybigrigger_> on amd64
[14:18] <gnomefreak> yay its working finallu
[14:19] <rconan> woo... one of the xinerama bugs is fixed!
[14:19] <rconan> keyboard repeat one if anyone is interested
[14:20] <kneeki> Does Kubuntu keep the same theme throughout the experience, unlike Ubuntu?
[14:20] <kneeki> ^ ... seems kinda vague
[14:20] <XenoPhoenix> finally rconan, you played with GEM yet?
[14:21] <billybigrigger_> no one has problems with my above mentioned flash bug?
[14:21] <rconan> XenoPhoenix: no
[14:21] <rconan> what is it?
[14:21] <rconan> or rather what does it offer me?
[14:22] <daniel_> OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI Intel(R) 965GM GEM 20090114 x86/MMX/SSE2
[14:22] <daniel_> how do i active gem?
[14:27] <XenoPhoenix> rconan: the new display thingy lol, I'v not used it but like I said before, it should remove the need for xinerama
[14:28] <rconan> XenoPhoenix: nvidia support? don't be silly...
[14:29] <XenoPhoenix> heh
[14:29] <XenoPhoenix> i know intel has support
[14:29] <XenoPhoenix> not sure about ati or nvidia
[14:29] <rconan> XenoPhoenix: nvidia definitely don't
[14:29] <rconan> I'd be surporised ifATI do
[14:34] <XenoPhoenix> as would I, if nvidia are not
[14:38] <mofux> upgraded to the latest kubuntu now
[14:38] <mofux> my graphics are very slow (using intel onboard)
[14:38] <mofux> they've been much faster before
[14:39] <mofux> i'm using kwin with compositing here
[14:39] <Halow> Uh oh. Tried to update just now and got a 403 forbidden message on three packages.
[14:39] <cwillu> Halow, read the topic
[14:39] <rconan> Halow: python was broken
[14:39] <Halow> Doh.
[14:39] <rconan> Halow: if you apt-get update now it should be right
[14:39] <Amaranth> I do so much enjoy watching people talk about graphics, funny things get said
[14:40] <BUGabundo> Halow: you can change you mirror to MAIN and get the files
[14:41] <BUGabundo> but remember to change back after to a mirror closer to you
[14:41] <Halow> OK. Thanks cwillu and rconan. Uh... BUGabundo I think I'm on main. Let me double check.
[14:41] <rconan> cwillu: oh... you're around again... did you get my message before?
[14:42] <cwillu> rconan, yep, sorry, I'll be around a bit more in a bit, I've got a machine I need to finish up
[14:43] <unixdawg> I have to say I am impressed with howmuch jaunty feels like MS with all the updates
[14:43] <unixdawg> lol
[14:43] <BUGabundo> unixdawg: behave! :\
[14:44] <unixdawg> aww come on it was a joke
[14:44] <unixdawg> humor
[14:44] <XenoPhoenix> that's sacrilege right there :P
[14:45] <hggdh> if you cannot laugh at yourself, you are sicker than MS
[14:45] <rconan> XenoPhoenix: we wont talk about the lengths you used to go to to use windows over linux :p
[14:45] <tomsdale> what do you guys recommend over the other: apt-get upgrade or aptitude safe-upgrade
[14:46] <rconan> apt-get dist-upgrade :p
[14:46] <XenoPhoenix> rconan: shush shush that's all in the past
[14:46] <hggdh> la vie en rose?
[14:46] <XenoPhoenix> i may or may not have had my xlaunch script start a RDP session :P
[14:49] <tomsdale> ufff - main server behaves like the canadian one in general today :-)
[14:50] <hggdh> well, a lot of people are upgrading/updating/downloading today...
[14:51] <BluesKaj> tomsdale, the main server is being hammered today due to the jaunty beta release
[14:51] <XenoPhoenix> oh that would explain the mass of packages this morning
[14:52] <XenoPhoenix> I really ought to pay more attention
[14:52] <tomsdale> I know - it was also more directed towards the general performance of the canadian one which is pretty useless.
[14:55] <tomsdale> join /xubuntu
[14:55] <BluesKaj> tomsdale , I'm in Canada as well, and i found even on normal days the .ca servers are slow as molasses in january , so i chose the main server in adept as my default
[14:56] <rconan> hmm... Xorg.0.log has (**) Extension "Composite" is enabled
[14:56] <rconan> but xdpyinfo -queryExtensions doesn't show Composite
[14:58] <rconan> seems somewhat contradictory to me
[14:58] <billybigrigger_> BluesKaj, im in calgary here, and ca. servers are slow for me aswell, any idea where the ca. mirror is located?
[14:59] <tomsdale> I had to wait once for 20 minutes for an apt-get update
[14:59] <billybigrigger_> yup
[14:59] <billybigrigger_> after install i usually edit apt sources.list and remove the ca.
[15:00] <billybigrigger_> from every line
[15:00] <billybigrigger_> canadian mirror is junk, ubuntu should look into getting one on the west coast
[15:00] <tomsdale> I find it's a trap for newbies. As soon as you set the timezone it defaults to the canadian. If an update takes 20 minutes people think something is broken.
[15:00] <BluesKaj> billybigrigger, I think it's at the U of Sherbrooke , Quebec. ,... not a bigtime school , prolly has a small server farm
[15:00] <billybigrigger_> tomsdale, BluesKaj where are you guys?
[15:00] <PhotoJim> Yeah, the Canadian mirror is really terrible.  I set all my Ubuntu machines (4) to use the US mirror and while it's occasionally slow, it's usually much faster.
[15:01] <billybigrigger_> tomsdale, argreed, definately a turn-off for a new user
[15:01] <tomsdale> billybigrigger: you can change that all at once in th UI to connect to the Main server btw.
[15:01] <BluesKaj> I'm about 40mi west of Sudbury ON
[15:01] <tomsdale> I'm from Riviere-du-loup Quebec.
[15:01] <PhotoJim> Regina, SK.
[15:01] <billybigrigger_> wow
[15:01] <PhotoJim> Wolf River :)
[15:01] <billybigrigger_> you guys are fairly close to server and its still slow :P
[15:01] <BluesKaj> almost enough for a forward line :)
[15:02]  * billybigrigger_ is suprised there's no vancouver mirror
[15:02] <BluesKaj> or Toronto
[15:02] <billybigrigger_> to would be ok aswell
[15:02] <tomsdale> I think they might have a technical problem on their end because its ALWAYS slow.
[15:02] <billybigrigger_> maybe we should let them know :P
[15:03] <tomsdale> good idea ^^ how do we do that
[15:03] <BluesKaj> tomsdale, they could be throttling , ..it used to be much faster a couple of yrs ago
[15:04] <PhotoJim> I'm in #ubuntu-ca... we should probably talk about Canadian mirror issues there since it's a bit off-topic for jaunty specifically
[15:05] <maxb> I think there's something weird going on with archive.ubuntu.com - it seems to be flipping back and forth between old and new versions of the Release file.
[15:05] <maxb> If you've got a decent local mirror, you're likely better off using the mirror than main
[15:05] <tomsdale> ahh - didn't know that existed. Thx PhotoJim
[15:06] <PhotoJim> tomsdale: I just discovered it the other day :)
[15:06] <LjL> cwillu, watchbot complains about xkcd links in this channel because they're categorized as humor/jokes, and this isn't #ubuntu-offtopic ;)
[15:07] <cwillu> LjL, I know, I had my channels mixed up
[15:07]  * cwillu pokes himself with a stick in penance
[15:08] <LjL> cwillu: again? :P
[15:08] <cwillu> LjL, it happens alot
[15:08] <LjL> cwillu: that's worrying - you're either mad or we *really* aren't doing a good job on this channel :P
[15:08] <cwillu> LjL, if you wanna complain, there's a 'pick a new crappy language for cwillu to be written in' debate going on in -offtopic :p
[15:09] <mofux> jaunty really messed up my intel graphics :( opengl renders above windows now and overall performance is very very bad compared to interepid
[15:09] <ufa> hello!!
[15:09] <mofux> is there a workarround for this?
[15:09] <ufa> how can i enable the new notification system um Jaunty?
[15:10] <ufa> it seems that is not running
[15:10] <Halow> ufa: It should be enabled by default. You just have to use something that'll trigger it, like Rhythmbox or pidgin.
[15:10] <ufa> yeah, but pidgin does not notify
[15:10] <mnemo> mofux: there is one perf bug that can be fixed by this patch ( http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/intel-gfx/2009-January/001186.html ), but im not sure that the big perf bug that intel+EXA has right now... try this patch and see if its better, maybe?
[15:10] <ufa> maybe a bug?
[15:11] <mnemo> mofux:  on some intel chipsets UXA mode is also stable enough and it has MUCH better perf... but other chipsets have crashes in UXA so ubuntu can do all in with UXA yet
[15:12] <mofux> how do i enable UXA?
[15:12] <mnemo> mofux: in you xorg.conf, under section "Device"... add the line:
[15:12] <mnemo> Option          "AccelMethod" "UXA"
[15:12] <mofux> ok, i'll try
[15:12] <mnemo> but be prepared to crash badly
[15:13] <mnemo> what chipset do you have?
[15:13] <mofux> mnemo: it feels very much like this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/342923
[15:13] <mofux> or this one: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/303011
[15:14] <mnemo> mofux: yeah at least I know I have horrible EXA perf on intel G45 as well...
[15:14] <mofux> ok
[15:15] <mofux> i'm having a G33 (when i can believe driconf output)
[15:16] <mofux> another issue i have is that CTRL+ALT+BACKSPACE doesn't restart X anymore :?
[15:16] <mofux> it does nothing
[15:16] <mnemo> the ctrl-alt-del thing is by design
[15:16] <mnemo> but there is a util to change that setting
[15:16] <mnemo> sudo apt-get install dontzap
[15:17] <mnemo> run the dontzap tool if you want to enable ctrl-alt-backspace again
[15:17] <mofux> are you talking about ctrl-alt-del or ctrl-alt-backspace(as me) ?
[15:17] <mofux> ah
[15:17] <mofux> ^ ;)
[15:17] <mnemo> ah yeah, i mean backspace... sry, old win32 brain damage :) :)
[15:18] <mofux> brb... testing UXA now
[15:26] <mofux> mnemo: setting UXA did run ubuntu in low graphics mode
[15:26] <mofux> damn, even using xrender is way faster then opengl acceleration
[15:27] <mnemo> mofux: probably the X server crashed on startup.... if you find debug info in the end of xorg log and/or dmesg please report a bug on it
[15:27] <rconan> ok guys /var/log/Xorg.0.log contains (**) Extension "Composite" is enabled but xdpyinfo -queryExtensions doesn't show Composite, any reasons why?
[15:28] <rconan> weird... "Composite extension not supported by xdpyinfo
[15:28] <rconan> first line of xdpyinfo -ext Composite
[15:29] <BUGabundo> do you guys think I should apply to Ubuntu Member? could I get your support?
[15:30] <rconan> what is "Ubuntu Member"?
[15:30] <gran`> will upgrading to 9.1 lose my current setup? themes etc likely not to work?
[15:31]  * billybigrigger_ gives 1 vote for BUGabundo 
[15:31] <billybigrigger_> gran`, if you have your /home on a separate partition you'll be fine
[15:31] <BUGabundo> rconan: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership
[15:31] <mofux> mnemo: is there a way to background to interpid?
[15:31] <rconan> just found that
[15:31] <mofux> argh background = backgrade
[15:32] <Pici> !downgrade
[15:32] <billybigrigger_> gran`, but...if you installed / onto 1 partition without a separate /home partition, you will loose everything...IF you reinstall...you can always upgrade via apt and keep everything
[15:33] <gran`> i have it on seperate partitions
[15:33] <billybigrigger_> k
[15:33] <gran`> was just wondering if themes would be compatable
[15:33] <billybigrigger_> well you can either download the beta images and re-install and be fine, or upgrade via apt
[15:33] <gran`> emerald etc
[15:33] <billybigrigger_> yup
[15:34] <lifi> anyone got a working dual-head conf with fglrx?
[15:34] <billybigrigger_> just don't format your /home when re-installing
[15:35] <stooj> Of course, it's recommended you back up beforehand gran`
[15:36] <mofux> hmm, i think i will just reinstall intrepid from scratch
[15:37] <rysiek|pl> yello
[15:37] <gran`> stooj new computer, nothing worth saving :D
[15:38] <rysiek|pl> guys, is it normal that kde4 on intrepid and on jaunty, on an intel GMA965 is *slow*
[15:39] <mofux> rysiek|pl: for me it's fast on interepid but slow in jaunty
[15:40] <rysiek|pl> mofux: and I get a lot atefacts/image corruptions
[15:40] <rysiek|pl> mofux: esp. in konqueror
[15:40] <rysiek|pl> it's actually 2-3 times slower than kde3
[15:40] <mofux> this problem i don't have
[15:40] <mofux> but i have a GMA33 though
[15:40] <rysiek|pl> mofux: ah
[15:41] <SandGorgon> rysiek|pl: what does top or htop tell you about CPU/Memory consumption
[15:44] <rysiek|pl> mofux: 20-50% all the time
[15:44] <mofux> SandGorgon: ^
[15:47] <rysiek|pl> funny thing, after turning kwin desktop effects OFF, I still get artefacts
[15:47] <rysiek|pl> there is something seriously wrong with kde4 on intel
[15:48] <hmw> how much faster would my jaunty boot with ext4, if faster at all?
[15:51] <hmw> how much boot speed do i loose due to the celeron processor in use?
[15:53] <hmw> how do i make you answer these questions? *g*
[15:53] <hmw> nevermind...
[15:54] <rysiek|pl> hmw: test it
[15:55] <hmw> huh? you mean by getting another cpu??
[15:55] <rysiek|pl> hmw: I mean ext4
[15:55] <hmw> hah. i see. I just wanted to hear, what could be expected
[15:55] <stooj> hmw, have you seen bootchart?
[15:55] <hmw> i just made one
[15:55] <hmw> didnt tell me too much
[15:57] <stooj> Well, you could reinstall and reformat to ext3, then compare the two?
[15:58] <hmw> readahead, udevadm, ntfs3g and some grep/find near virtualbox are the only bigger parts
[15:59] <hmw> guess i could squeeze out 2 more seconds, but not today - i am too tired alread for serious thinking
[16:01] <hmw> nothing is better than those old ibm-microswitch-keyboards... if only my notebook had such a kbd :) people pay up to EUR200 for those!
[16:08] <gorgonzola> hello people! i want to upgrade to jaunty beta, but the release notes mention that i can't if i'm using fglrx drivers, but a fix will be released...
[16:08] <gorgonzola> should i a) wait for the fix, or b) remove fglrx before updating?
[16:09] <hmw> guess a is a safe choice. You could wipe your drive and try a clean install, but fglrx seems to cause troubles often.
[16:10] <BUGabundo> gorgonzola: try b
[16:10] <BUGabundo> or even better
[16:10] <BUGabundo> try a livecd/usb
[16:11] <hmw> yeah, livecd sounds good
[16:12] <BUGabundo> gorgonzola: and if you go for it, try -ati driver version. bryce says it quite guud
[16:14] <maxb> *blink*
[16:15] <maxb> my "any" interface has disappeared from wireshark
[16:16] <Pubnum> Ok, I need some help with junty
[16:16] <Pubnum> I'm encountering some weird bugs
[16:16] <Pubnum> definitely OS related...
[16:16] <gorgonzola> BUGabundo: Ok, i'll get ready to submit the xorg beast to my will. I just wanted to know if the fix mentioned would be available soon/is available now...
[16:17] <BUGabundo> only ati knows that
[16:17] <BUGabundo> Pubnum: its BETA
[16:17] <BUGabundo>  !beta
[16:17] <Pubnum> No, like un operational....
[16:17] <gorgonzola> BUGabundo: before preparing my armies for the bloodbath that i anticipate getting X to change the driver without losing kwin functionality xD
[16:17] <Pici> Pubnum: Explain your issues and perhaps someone can help
[16:17] <BUGabundo> gorgonzola: more important: BACKUPs BACKUPs BACKUPs BACKUPs
[16:17] <Pubnum> Right, I have the 64 bit junty and I loaded it into a vm
[16:17] <maxb> Where are the release notes? I can't seem to find them
[16:18] <Pubnum> upon opening the gui starting up my task bar is getting filled with applications I know not what of
[16:18] <Pici> maxb: Check the topic
[16:18] <maxb> ubottu: release notes?
[16:18] <Pubnum> and they are all the same...
[16:19] <gorgonzola> BUGAbundo: yeah... i know the drill... but i'd love to not have to piss my day away fighting the xorgzilla
[16:19] <cetan_hota> Pubnum, are you trying to install the VMware tools?
[16:19] <maxb> oh, are they no longer going to be on wiki.ubuntu.com?
[16:19] <Pubnum> no i ahvent installed them yet
[16:19] <BUGabundo> maxb: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/jaunty/beta
[16:19] <BUGabundo> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JauntyJackalope/TechnicalOverview
[16:20] <cetan_hota> Pubnum, is the item your file browser?
[16:20] <maxb> It might be worth linking wiki.ubuntu.com/JauntyReleaseNotes to there, for those of use used to constructing the URLs by pattern :-)
[16:20] <BUGabundo> Pubnum: you are the second today having that issue
[16:20] <cetan_hota> Yup, me being the 1st.
[16:21] <Pubnum> BUGabundo: Great, thank you
[16:21] <Pici> maxb: It *is* a wiki
[16:21] <BUGabundo> heeh cetan_hota. I have bad memory
[16:21] <maxb> yeah... I'm just not quite sure about the etiquette for semi-official pagenames
[16:21] <BUGabundo> maxb: release notes will be done for release!
[16:21] <cetan_hota> Pubnum, I have been trying to work it out, have not made much progress.
[16:22] <BUGabundo> maxb: I was told that until then the release notes pages would not exist
[16:22] <BUGabundo> cetan_hota: Pubnum can you guys file a bug
[16:22] <BUGabundo> and attach a screenshot ?
[16:22] <cetan_hota> will do.. I want to do a fresh install one more time and see what I can make happen.
[16:23] <Pubnum> yeah I can do that
[16:23] <cetan_hota> So far I think it has something todo with mounting the linux.iso that holds the vmware tools. I will update in a bit.
[16:23] <Pubnum> cetan_hota: I didn't do anything with vmware tools yet...
[16:23] <BUGabundo> cetan_hota: Pubnum can any of you also try virtualbox»?
[16:24] <cetan_hota> Doing Vbox now.
[16:24] <cetan_hota> Its has a issue with the vboxvideo drivers.
[16:24] <Pubnum> cetan_hota: thanks, cause I dont have it :X
[16:24] <cetan_hota> Pubnum, I wonder if your VM is trying to install the tools automaticly.
[16:24] <BUGabundo> Pubnum: virtualbox.org ?
[16:25] <Torch> anyone got an md5sum of kubuntu-9.04-beta-desktop-amd64.iso ?
[16:26] <Pubnum> BUGabundo: lets see if I can get that screenie, any console command screenshots you would like with it?
[16:27] <BUGabundo> Torch: isn't it in the page?
[16:27] <Torch> BUGabundo: maybe, i can't find it, however
[16:28] <BUGabundo> Torch: http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/jaunty/MD5SUMS
[16:28] <Torch> BUGabundo: thanks. where was that link?
[16:28] <BUGabundo> Pubnum: photo cam? lol
[16:28] <BUGabundo> Torch: pull on level up!
[16:28] <Torch> BUGabundo: rats, i'm blind ;-)
[16:29] <BUGabundo> eheh
[16:29] <BUGabundo> cdimage on the other hand is slowwwww
[16:29] <tux_> can't seem to move the menu-bar from the top of a default beta install to the bottom of the screen
[16:29] <tux_> anyone else find this?
[16:30] <charlie-tca> tux_: that is now a feature
[16:30] <tux_> what, that you can't move it?
[16:30] <rconan> tux_: you have you use alt + DnD
[16:30] <charlie-tca> Not by dragging.
[16:31] <tux_> thanks rconan
[16:31] <BUGabundo> tux_: alt+drag and drop
[16:34] <Pubnum> BUGabundo: here it is
[16:34] <aljosa> i'm using jaunty on imac7,1 and current graphics/display drivers are pretty bad (i can't even watch a movie in fullscreen). anybody knows if there will be any progress before release?
[16:34] <digitaloktay> hi
[16:34] <Pubnum> http://djpolaski.dragonminded.com/other/junty-issue
[16:34] <Pubnum> http://djpolaski.dragonminded.com/other/junty-issue.jpg
[16:34] <BUGabundo> 404 Not Found error
[16:35] <BUGabundo> its like cetan_hota
[16:35] <BUGabundo> digitaloktay: hi
[16:35] <cetan_hota> Pubnum, thats the same exact thing.
[16:35] <digitaloktay> i have a alpha 5 cd of jaunty, can i upgrade to the beta ?
[16:35] <BUGabundo> digitaloktay: yes you can upgrade
[16:35] <BUGabundo> just start update-manager
[16:36] <digitaloktay> BUGabundo, and sudo apt-get dist-upgrade?
[16:36] <Pubnum> cetan_hota: are you running 64bit?
[16:36] <BUGabundo> but please if your mirror has updated python
[16:36] <BUGabundo> we had a critical bug today
[16:36] <BUGabundo> digitaloktay: better use update-manager
[16:36] <cetan_hota> Pubnum, no not using 64bit
[16:36] <Pubnum> Well, thats not the problem then
[16:37] <Pubnum> what version of vmware?
[16:37] <cetan_hota> VMware Fusion.
[16:37] <Pubnum> GNU based...word
[16:37] <Pubnum> it has to be the distro then
[16:37] <cetan_hota> Yup, it has something todo with mounting the linux.iso
[16:38] <cetan_hota> Thats the 1st thing VMware does with you tell it to install the tools.
[16:38] <Pubnum> looks like I'm going back to 8
[16:38] <cetan_hota> did you notice this when you rebooted after the install was complete?
[16:38] <Pubnum> woah
[16:38] <digitaloktay> BUGabundo, ok thank you
[16:38] <Pubnum> I just stopped it...
[16:38] <Pubnum> It said Starting File Manager and that was it...
[16:38] <BUGabundo> digitaloktay: you are welcome
[16:39] <Pubnum> cetan_hota: it definitely was the linux.iso...thats weird
[16:40] <cetan_hota> Yes.. I am going to see if I can do the install by just moving the linux.iso to my VM machine.
[16:42] <maxb> Does anyone know anything about the "any" cooked network capture interface, and if the fact it seems to have vanished in Jaunty is a tcpdump or kernel bug?
[16:43] <muibe> now i went and upgraded into Jaunty beta thanks to my damn curiosity and I must say that it was one of the most foolish things to do as I found out it was nowhere near something that I could call 'Alpha' - i'm sorry guys for saying this but I'm forced to reinstall the whole system..
[16:43] <muibe> Jockey doesn't even work here in Jaunty Beta!!!
[16:44] <genii> Doesn't the /topic have a lot of warnings in it about exactly such dangers of unreleased softwre, etc etc?
[16:44] <muibe> this means a massive amount of fixing - but on the other I like the way this looks - and it boots awesomely
[16:44] <BUGabundo> muibe: we got it by a python bug today
[16:44] <BUGabundo> prob the reason for your probs
[16:44] <BUGabundo> muibe: run apt-get to fix it (if your mirror as the new version)
[16:45] <BUGabundo> and check again if everything works as expected
[16:45] <cetan_hota> Pubnum: I just tried to mount the iso as my cdrom, same error, file browser opening over and over. I am going to see if I can find the linux.iso out on VMWares site, download that to my vm and see what happens.
[16:45] <muibe> BUGabundo: thanks for advice :)
[16:45] <vbgunz> I think the repos are swamped. 2 minutes+ and I still have just updated :|
[16:46] <vbgunz> I see the python2.6 update
[16:48] <vbgunz> linux kernel images too?
[16:48] <XenoPhoenix> vbgunz, yeah there are kernal updates too
[16:48] <BUGabundo> vbgunz: yes that's the new one with dtchen audio fix
[16:48] <Pubnum> cetan_hota: I get the problem regardless of what ISO I open...
[16:48] <XenoPhoenix> vbgunz: which mirror are you on?
[16:48] <vbgunz> I have audio now? what exactly did it fix? the only real problem I had with audio is *only* the first user to log into a KDE session would have audio. otherwise, no other user would have it
[16:48] <vbgunz> XenoPhoenix: I have no idea, us.archive.ubuntu.com?
[16:48] <cetan_hota> Pubnum, same anytime I try to mount any iso it gives same error. I want to try to mount the ISO now inside the vm on its filesystem
[16:48] <XenoPhoenix> hmm ok, just a thought you could change your mirror to get faster updates for the meanwhile, UK mirror is still lightning fast at the moment
[16:49] <XenoPhoenix> scratch they literally just slowed down massively :P
[16:49] <trinidadflores> with the upcoming release of 9.04 does anyone know if they will be releasing it on cd
[16:49] <bazhang> trinidadflores, yes of course
[16:50] <BUGabundo> trinidadflores: why wouldn't it be?
[16:50] <trinidadflores> normally how long after the new version has been released does that normally happen>
[16:50] <BUGabundo> ah??
[16:50] <XenoPhoenix> trinidadflores, on release day that's the normal medium
[16:51] <XenoPhoenix> oh you mean on physical CDs?
[16:51] <trinidadflores> yes
[16:51] <XenoPhoenix> I presume as soon as the final image is finalised it will go to pressing that day then however long that takes?
[16:52] <XenoPhoenix> i would have still thought the same day
[16:52] <fosco__> it depends on where are you from
[16:52] <fosco__> few days
[16:53] <trinidadflores> ic
[16:53] <fosco__> iso CDs will be ready for download in the release day
[16:54] <vbgunz> does ubuntu support lightscribe?
[16:54] <vbgunz> found somehting
[16:54] <vbgunz> something*
[16:55] <trinidadflores> for me that would take a bout 3 days to finish the 64bit version
[16:56] <vbgunz> forget it. lightscribe seems to risky on AMD64
[16:57] <sammy> what server does everyone use for updates? the default server, or the main server for the united states seem deathly slow, but I've tried two other servers now and they seem to lag behind enough that, if I update my package lists from the main servers and then switch to, say duke, or easynews, the updated packages aren't there yet
[16:57] <billybigrigger_> sammy, beta was just released yesterday
[16:57] <billybigrigger_> sammy, servers are loaded
[16:57] <fosco__> de. servers are working quite well here
[16:58] <billybigrigger_> sammy, also some servers are days and even weeks behind the main server
[16:58] <o0Chris0o> I just did some updates today and I get this "http://rafb.net/p/ZdVBtp42.html" what can I do to fix this?
[16:58] <digitaloktay> has jaunty beta the new bootsplash and new gmd picture
[16:58] <fosco__> digitaloktay, yes
[16:58] <billybigrigger_> digitaloktay, yes
[16:58] <digitaloktay> oo good ;)
[16:58] <billybigrigger_> o0Chris0o, python is broken
[16:59] <sammy> billybigrigger_: ooooh I didn't know beta was released today. thats why I'm getting 15k from the main servers.
[16:59] <sammy> billybigrigger_: and I didn't know syncs from the main server could lag so far behind!
[17:00] <o0Chris0o> billybigrigger_: ok
[17:00] <sammy> I'll stick with the main server and let it run its course. thanks for the info, billybigrigger_
[17:00] <billybigrigger_> o0Chris0o, what server are you using?
[17:00] <cetan_hota> Pubnum, still working with it. will let you know what success i have
[17:00] <o0Chris0o> billybigrigger_: how do I tell
[17:01] <billybigrigger_> o0Chris0o, your using us.archive.ubuntu.com
[17:01] <muibe> BUGabundo: what did you mean with the fixing as you mentioned about apt-get and python bug.. sudo apt-get what?
[17:01] <BUGabundo> muibe: LOL
[17:01] <billybigrigger_> o0Chris0o, you can either fire up a txt editor and remove all the "us." from us.archive.ubuntu.com and sudo apt-get update that way
[17:01] <o0Chris0o> billybigrigger_: yes I see it now, the USA server
[17:01] <BUGabundo> well if you by any chance got the bad python
[17:01] <billybigrigger_> o0Chris0o, or just wait till your mirror gets sync'd
[17:01] <BUGabundo> you can only fix it with apt-get upgrade
[17:02] <muibe> BUGabundo: well, i did get a very bad one obviously :D
[17:02] <muibe> BUGabundo: well, these swedish mirrors don't offer an upgrade yet
[17:02] <BUGabundo> change to main
[17:02] <BUGabundo> but its kinda slowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwish
[17:03] <billybigrigger_> o0Chris0o, that error your getting was because, if i understood BUGabundo correctly, there was a bug in python and the maintainers purposely disabled updates until the bug was fixed, which it is now...your mirror is just behind a bit, if you NEED to update, i suggest you remove all us. from /etc/apt/sources.list and then sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[17:03] <o0Chris0o> billybigrigger_: ahh ok I see, thanks :)
[17:03] <sammy> maybe I'll just wait to update for a day or so :) I usually do nightly updates on my jaunty but now that we're into beta...
[17:04] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger that's not the proper way to edit sources.list
[17:04] <BUGabundo> for not as experienced users
[17:04] <billybigrigger_> ???
[17:04] <BUGabundo> new users should use Software-Sources
[17:04] <BUGabundo> and change the mirror there
[17:04] <o0Chris0o> billybigrigger_: easier way to do it is go to Update Manager >> Settings >>> Ubuntu Software, and click on Main Archive :D
[17:04] <billybigrigger_> o0Chris0o, there ya go :P
[17:04] <billybigrigger_> some like gui, some like cli
[17:04] <BUGabundo> editing /etc/sources.list by hand can lead to broken source tree
[17:05]  * BUGabundo loves cli
[17:05] <billybigrigger_> BUGabundo, yes if done incorrectly, the method i showed him would not have led to a broken source tree
[17:05] <muibe> BUGabundo: ..unless emacs and regular expressions aren't familiar stuff ;)
[17:05] <billybigrigger_> simply removing us. from all the source lines wouldn't have borked his sources.list
[17:06] <cetan_hota> Pubnum, if you can get the linux.iso to your Ubuntu VM, it will install just fine. Looks like the issue is with 9.04 mounting a iso thats on the host system.
[17:06] <BUGabundo> billybigriggeru never know what the other side is going to do
[17:06] <BUGabundo> Trust No One (TM)
[17:06] <Pubnum> cetan_hota: I assumed as much, do you know of an ETA for the fix?
[17:06] <billybigrigger_> good point BUGabundo
[17:07] <cetan_hota> No clue, I am just a user like yourself. I will file a bug report, but I am not a developer so I dont know when it will get fixed.
[17:09] <billybigrigger_> anyone know if the font OpenLogos is packaged somewhere?
[17:09] <BUGabundo> cetan_hota: Pubnum can you guys go to #ubuntu-server ?
[17:09] <BUGabundo> maybe they can provide better help
[17:09] <cetan_hota> sure happy too, I am going to file a bug report on the issue.
[17:10] <ultratek> cwillu, you there?
[17:11] <sammy> here's a question, the list of mirrors @ https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archivemirrors lists how far behind their packages are mirrored. is that how far they are scheduled to be behind? that can't be a live representation of the current status...
[17:11] <billybigrigger_> hmm
[17:11] <sammy> using that, I can certainly choose an "up to date" mirror and relieve a bit of strain on the main servers without being a day or week behind.
[17:12] <billybigrigger_> anyone here that is fully updated, and is running 9.04 amd64 with xchat 2.8.6-2.1ubuntu4 want to try and reproduce an xchat bug for me?
[17:12] <ultratek> icannot get my ubuntu to boot becuase of the display being messed up...
[17:12] <sammy> sorry, not amd64.
[17:12] <maxb> billybigrigger: ok
[17:12] <billybigrigger_> k, press ctrl-i
[17:13] <billybigrigger_> about 5-8 times
[17:13] <billybigrigger_> does it do some wierd window switching?
[17:13] <billybigrigger_> maxb, oh and do you have compiz enabled? this might be a compiz bug too
[17:13] <ultratek> well i am in windows now
[17:14] <maxb> Yup, it creashed
[17:14] <maxb> *crashed
[17:14] <billybigrigger_> hmm
[17:14] <billybigrigger_> compiz enabled?
[17:14] <maxb> yes
[17:14]  * maxb waits for apport to do its work
[17:14] <billybigrigger_> need to find out what ctrl-i does now :P
[17:15] <billybigrigger_> maxb, already got a bug filled for it if you want to subscribe
[17:15] <maxb> number?
[17:15] <ultratek> anyone know how to get my xorg.conf to work properly i pastebinit it earlier today...
[17:16] <BUGabundo> ultratek: why do you need a costum xorg.conf?
[17:16] <ultratek> bug, it seems to not load the default vesa
[17:17] <billybigrigger_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xchat/+bug/349754
[17:17] <ultratek> bug i did an upgrade from ubuntu8.10 with ati drivers version 9.2 for hd4850
[17:17] <billybigrigger_> bah, why is it private???
[17:17] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger 'cause apport sent it
[17:17] <billybigrigger_> boo
[17:18] <BUGabundo> check the logs, and if it is ok, remove the private flag
[17:18] <BUGabundo> do you really want to share personal information with EVERYONE?
[17:18] <maxb> billybigrigger_: It's private because a crashdump *could* in theory contain private date - imagine if a program crashed just after you were entering a password
[17:18] <maxb> *data
[17:18] <billybigrigger_> true true
[17:21] <billybigrigger_> wierd
[17:22] <ultratek> anyone experience similar display problems when loading jaunty for first time
[17:22] <maxb> billybigrigger: Is the title of your bug "xchat crashed with SIGSEGV in g_type_check_instance()" too?
[17:24] <mamr> does anyone know, if the radeon hd 4550 works with the in jaunty included fglrx driver?
[17:25] <mamr> i think it's got a rv710 chipset
[17:25] <BUGabundo> mamr: check the bug for it
[17:25] <mamr> which bug?
[17:25] <BUGabundo> its documented there the list of supported devices
[17:25]  * BUGabundo checks log
[17:26] <BUGabundo> mamr: bug 313027
[17:26] <mamr> thanks, i'll check it
[17:27] <billybigrigger_> maxb, no thats not the title, i put that in the bug description though
[17:27] <maxb> hmm, that's what mine was set to automatically
[17:28] <muibe> BUGabundo: is the up-to-date python package 2.6.1-1ubuntu5.1?
[17:29] <mamr> BUGabundo:  can't find a list pf supported devices there
[17:29] <mamr> pf = of
[17:29] <sparr> mount: unknown filesystem type 'vfat'
[17:29] <sparr> :(
[17:30] <BUGabundo> muibe: yes
[17:30] <sparr> how can i fix that?
[17:30] <BUGabundo> sparr: pastebin $ sudo fdisk -l
[17:30] <BUGabundo> and let us know
[17:32] <sparr> BUGabundo: let's say I am trying to mount a loop device
[17:32] <BUGabundo> sparr: please pastebin $ sudo fdisk -l . only then we can see what you have
[17:32] <sparr> I am not mounting a disk
[17:33] <sparr> I have lots of disks, they all mount fine
[17:33] <jtheuer> Hi, funny, I got a "you installed lilo for the first time" message during the upgrade ... I hope that, still, grub is the default bootloader and I can safely ignore the message?
[17:34] <BUGabundo> sparr: then what?
[17:34] <sparr> BUGabundo: a file that is a vfat image
[17:35] <BUGabundo> ahh
[17:35] <BUGabundo> loop mount it then
[17:35] <sparr> yes
[17:35] <sparr> mount: unknown filesystem type 'vfat'
[17:35] <sparr> i get that with "-t vfat" and "-t auto" and no -t
[17:35] <BUGabundo> $ sudo mount -o loop /path/to/image.vfat /mnt/image ?
[17:36] <sparr> yes
[17:36] <sparr> never mind, gotta go, hoped there would be an easy fix
[17:37] <BUGabundo> sparr: never did that
[17:37] <BUGabundo> so I can't help muc
[17:37] <BUGabundo> *much
[17:37] <BUGabundo> try #ubuntu
[17:38] <charlie-tca> jtheuer: that is known. You should have GRUB installed and used, but lilo may also have installed and can be safely removed after the installation is done
[17:38] <jtheuer> charlie-tca: thanks
[17:42] <eseven73> hi are there any good links for the beta? the one i downloaded last night had errors and so i really dont want to use that mirror anymore
[17:43] <rconan> eseven73: rsync it with a good one off COUNTRYCODE.archive.ubuntu.com
[17:43] <BUGabundo> eseven73: you can use torrents or rsync
[17:43] <rconan> BUGabundo has a link for rsyncing
[17:43] <BUGabundo> to fix and complete you image
[17:44] <eseven73> it was a torrent
[17:44] <rconan> BUGabundo: almost ahead of you :p
[17:44] <BUGabundo> eheh
[17:44] <BUGabundo> eseven73: humm your torrent client must be boarked
[17:44] <eseven73> i need a good working link
[17:44] <BUGabundo> most do md5 match so I can't be bad
[17:44] <BUGabundo> torrents DO work
[17:45] <eseven73> no its transmission, its not borked lol
[17:45] <rconan> eseven73: get a torrent off torrent.ubuntu.com and set the download location the same
[17:45] <rconan> if that says it's finished you must have burned badly
[17:46] <eseven73> ok ty
[17:46] <BUGabundo> eseven73: why do u say it's a bad image?
[17:46] <holyscott> Have any major bugs been found in any of the new betas since last night?
[17:46] <BUGabundo> did you check the md5?
[17:46] <rconan> holyscott: one came and went
[17:46] <BUGabundo> holyscott: only one that was POST beta. python
[17:46] <holyscott> what was that?
[17:46] <BUGabundo> but is now fixed
[17:46] <eseven73> BUGabundo:  yep it said one bad file, please reboot!
[17:46] <BUGabundo> and propagating to mirror
[17:46] <eseven73> when i did a disk check off the live cd
[17:46] <BUGabundo> eseven73: that's not what I asked
[17:46] <rconan> eseven73: you probably burned too fast?
[17:46] <eseven73> maybe
[17:47] <BUGabundo> I said if I checked the iso md5?
[17:47] <rconan> try again, use a good disk and burn as slow as you can
[17:47] <holyscott> I came to kubuntu, from linux mint, now will I be seing updates alot more quickly?
[17:47] <eseven73> ok
[17:47] <BUGabundo> only then you can be sure the image is good or bad
[17:47] <rconan> eseven73: having checked the md5 of the image like BUGabundo said
[17:47] <BUGabundo> post burn errors is another thing
[17:47] <BUGabundo> if you can, use an USB stick
[17:48] <eseven73> well k3b does an error checksum, im not sure if it uses md5 or what......
[17:48]  * BUGabundo has gained a learning buddy ( rconan )
[17:48] <BUGabundo> eseven73: its not
[17:48] <rconan> BUGabundo: ??
[17:48] <eseven73> k3b's error checking is junk then?
[17:48] <BUGabundo> eseven73: $ md5sum /path/to/image.iso
[17:48] <eseven73> k
[17:48] <BUGabundo> k3b doesn't know the correct md5
[17:48] <rconan> eseven73: it only works if you then go and check the output from it against a known good one
[17:48] <BUGabundo> rconan: just playing with you
[17:50] <rconan> quick... do all the things we're not allowed to do while watchbot is gone
[17:50] <BUGabundo> eseven73: http://releases.ubuntu.com/jaunty/MD5SUMS
[17:50] <eseven73>  md5sum ubuntu-9.04-beta-desktop-i386.iso
[17:50] <eseven73> 03b63dada5e5fce0119a52d822e406a1  ubuntu-9.04-beta-desktop-i386.iso
[17:50] <Ienorand> has cdimage.ubuntu.com collapsed from beta-hunger?
[17:51] <BUGabundo> ehehe not quick enough rconan
[17:51] <rconan> Ienorand: I would imagine it's slow at least
[17:52] <rconan> Ienorand: certainly up though
[17:52] <eseven73> ok i did md5sum on that file what now?
[17:52] <eseven73> it gave me a number
[17:52] <rconan> check that against this one
[17:52]  * rconan goes and finds
[17:53] <eseven73> ok it looks the same as the md5sums website that BUGabundo listed
[17:53] <eseven73> prolly a bad burn then :(
[17:53] <rconan> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/9.04/beta/MD5SUMS
[17:53] <rconan> that one?
[17:53] <rconan> must be a bad burn
[17:53] <eseven73> no the one BUGabundo listed
[17:54] <eseven73> http://releases.ubuntu.com/jaunty/MD5SUMS
[17:54] <BUGabundo> its the same
[17:54] <rconan> do it again, check the disk for scratches, burn it slow, cross fingers
[17:54] <eseven73> ok
[17:57] <eseven73> actually k3b does do a md5 checksum and gives you the resulting number, must of missed that some how :/
[17:59] <calc> yea most programs now have an option to check that the burn on the disk matches the iso you have on yor hd
[17:59] <calc> er your
[17:59] <BUGabundo> bbl
[18:01] <bsnider> what's the numbering ont he fixed python packages?
[18:02] <yofel> bsnider: 2.6.1-1ubuntu5.1 afaik
[18:03] <excitatory> just a quick question.. will amarok 1.4.10 still be available in jaunty?  (this version of this player is a far cry from anything else available and I just cannot live without it)
[18:08] <balachmar> Hi, I'm trying jaunty in a VM, how can I get the screen resolution higher, it doesn't seem to use the stuf in xorg
[18:08] <cetan_hota> what VM?
[18:08] <balachmar> cetan_hota VirtualBox
[18:09] <cetan_hota> Balachmar, ok I am not done with my install of that one yet. Still finishing my VMware install. Sorry
[18:16] <tdn> How do I make a bootable USB thumb drive with the new 9.04 Beta Ubuntu ISO? I have just downloaded the desktop i386 version iso. What to do?
[18:18] <yofel> tdn: if you have intrepid the easy way would be to use 'usb-creator'
[18:18] <tdn> yofel, I dont. I have 8.04 installed.
[18:19] <tomsdale> tdn: I think you could try creating a bootable usb disk from a 8.10 live CD.
[18:19] <tomsdale> s/disk/stick
[18:20] <yofel> tdn: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick
[18:21] <mib_2yxof1> !install
[18:22] <digitaloktay> can i use jaunty with the hp netbook with Via C7 cpu
[18:22] <digitaloktay> ??
[18:22] <mib_2yxof1> !irc
[18:23] <mib_2yxof1> digitaloktay: what os did it come with?
[18:23] <digitaloktay> mib_2yxof1, vista
[18:23] <mib_2yxof1> digitaloktay: weird i didnt think vista supported via proccessors.
[18:24] <mib_2yxof1> but if vista ran then definetely ubuntu should run on it
[18:24] <tdn> yofel, thanks.
[18:24] <mib_2yxof1> btw r u sure that it is a via c7?
[18:24] <tdn> tomsdale, don't have a cd drive.
[18:24] <yofel> tdn: I just looked into the hardy repos, it looks like usb-creator is there now
[18:24] <TheInfinity> via c7 and vista? wow.  :o
[18:25] <hanasaki> anyone getting really bad download speeds from the US?
[18:25] <hanasaki> deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ intrepid-updates main restricted
[18:26] <digitaloktay> mib_2yxof1, http://www.hood.de/artikel/827754/hewlett-packard-2133-mini-note-pc.htm look at "Betriebssystem"
[18:27] <tdn> yofel, apt-cache search usb-creator gives nothing.
[18:27] <digitaloktay> TheInfinity, http://www.hood.de/artikel/827754/hewlett-packard-2133-mini-note-pc.htm
[18:27] <TheInfinity> oh-my-god.
[18:28] <popey> anyone here with two batteries on a laptop on jaunty?
[18:28] <popey> bug 349795 could do with someone confirming :)
[18:28] <mib_2yxof1> digitaloktay: hmm thats a first time i saw that
[18:28] <LordKow> popey, which one do you think is right?
[18:28] <mib_2yxof1> well yeah so ubuntu should tun on it.
[18:28] <popey> I'll tell you in 20 mins :)
[18:28] <LordKow> lol okay
[18:28] <mib_2yxof1> best to try with a live usb
[18:28] <yofel> tdn: it's in hardy-backports/universe
[18:28] <popey> or I wont
[18:29] <LordKow> yea i wont be here and probably neither will you when the batt goes out ;)
[18:29] <digitaloktay> oo good, i think about buy this netbook
[18:29] <digitaloktay> mib_2yxof1, *
[18:29] <tdn> yofel, ok. Would really rather stick to the official mirrors.
[18:29] <yofel> ok
[18:29] <TheInfinity> digitaloktay: you know that via cpu are "really" slow? :p
[18:30] <digitaloktay> TheInfinity, slower than atom?
[18:31] <popey> very
[18:32] <popey> atom > via > arm > geode :)
[18:32] <digitaloktay> geode? a AMD :D
[18:32] <clyde> Anyone who works with Python 2.5 in Ubuntu 9.04?
[18:33] <mib_2yxof1> hey i thought arm was faster than atom??
[18:33] <TheInfinity> http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-atom-cpu,1947-9.html
[18:33] <mib_2yxof1> also if that via netbook runs vista then ubuntu should fly
[18:33] <mib_2yxof1> but why not save ur self the hassle get a nice dell mini 9 with ubuntu preloaded
[18:33] <hil> clyde: see topic
[18:34] <digitaloktay> Vista Business
[18:34] <digitaloktay> :D
[18:35]  * genii checks to make sure he's not in a Windows channel
[18:35] <clyde> sorry ..... i have't notice that..
[18:37] <marcrosoft> Anyone else experiencing weird effect when switching virtual desktops in gnome with desktop effects set to normal?
[18:39] <DanaG> Via C7 does suck; too bad HP didn't use a Via Nano in the 2133.
[18:39] <DanaG> Are there even Xorg drivers for the VIA video chip?
[18:40] <DanaG> And too bad they DOWNGRADED the screen resolution in the Atom-based 2140.
[18:44] <muibe> what about deskbar-applet? it seems to crash as soon as I launch it
[18:44] <muibe> any ideas/workarounds?
[18:44] <bsnider> so amd finally released a usable graphics driver
[18:45] <matrixblue_> sup?
[18:45] <matrixblue_> is the fglrx driver done for xorg1.6 yet?
[18:47] <howieson28> hello kannn mir jemand sagen wie ein update auf jaunty geht mit alt + f2 geht es bei mir nicht?
[18:47] <IntuitiveNipple> can anyone give me the torrrent link for desktop live-CD i386 ?
[18:48] <howieson28> how can i update my intrepid?
[18:49] <hil> howieson28: sudo update-manager -d
[18:49] <jemark> howieson28: Alt+F2 and then type update-manager -d
[18:49] <charlie-tca> howieson28: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/JauntyUpgrades
[18:50] <howieson28> current dist not found in meta-release file
[18:51] <charlie-tca> IntuitiveNipple: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/jaunty/beta/xubuntu-9.04-beta-desktop-i386.iso.torrent
[18:52] <IntuitiveNipple> charlie-tca: thanks.... cdimage was being *very* slow to respond so I used releases. instead
[18:52] <charlie-tca> Yeah, *slow* is right
[18:52] <hansin> I'm asking here only because I am runny Jaunty and in case there were changes since Intrepid: I want to connect to a CiscoVPN at work.  Can anyone point me into the right direct at to the best way to do it?  I am finding stuff on 'vpnclient' but also a plugin for NetworkManager.  Just a pointer in the right direction as to current best-practice and I can figure the rest.  Thanks.
[18:53] <IntuitiveNipple> I've got to build  a custom ISO image with a test kernel in, so need the beta :)
[18:53] <hansin> s/running (it is my nose that is runny)
[18:53] <charlie-tca> IntuitiveNipple: good luck
[18:53] <howieson28> current dist not found in meta-release file why this by updating to jaunty
[18:54] <IntuitiveNipple> charlie-tca: The kernel's built - just need the newer ISO image now. Didn't realise my local i386 image was a week old
[18:54] <Unggnu> hi all
[18:54] <Unggnu> Does anyone uses here an ath5k supported wlan card?
[18:54] <Unggnu> Does it work fine?
[18:56] <IntuitiveNipple> Unggnu: there are problems with ath5k currently. Are you using the version in the linux kernel package, or the one from linux-backport-modules ?
[18:56] <muibe> Unggnu: it works all fine in my case at least
[18:56] <Unggnu> IntuitiveNipple: the from the kernel package
[18:56] <muibe> i guess i've backports modules
[18:56] <IntuitiveNipple> Unggnu: not promising anything but l-b-m is worth a try
[18:56] <Unggnu> IntuitiveNipple: my system crashes and it loses a lot of packages
[18:57] <Unggnu> IntuitiveNipple: 2.6.29 works fine so far
[18:57] <Unggnu> Why it is in backport if Jaunty even isn't released?
[18:57] <IntuitiveNipple> linux-backport-modules
[18:57] <Unggnu> I know
[18:57] <rconan> Unggnu: because it's backported from mainline upstream I think
[18:57] <Unggnu> It is just normally things are inserted there could mess up the stable kernel
[18:58] <IntuitiveNipple> That is drivers from upstream projects that aren't in the mainline that the current kernel tracks
[18:58] <Unggnu> rconan: it is not, that Ubuntu doesn't take other thing form upstream too like the r600 code
[18:58] <IntuitiveNipple> l-b-m has later versions than are in the tracked kernel version, in other words
[19:00] <Unggnu> Ok, I'll try it
[19:00] <Unggnu> brb
[19:05] <bicyclist> anyone with a sony vaio got the brightness keys working ?
[19:05] <bicyclist> I can dim my nvidia card but the fn keys f5 and f6 do not work anymore. They did in intrepid
[19:05] <hansin> Does the 2.6.29 kernel as packaged by Ubuntu allow you to try some of the kenel modesetting stuff?
[19:06] <Pici> hansin: 2.6.29 hasn't been packaged by Ubuntu
[19:06] <bicyclist> Or how can i bind a command to f5 or f6
[19:07] <Unggnu> re
[19:07] <hansin> I don't see it in the repos, but I thought I read somewhere that the kernel team made a .deb for it.  My semantics may be off but I thought I read that somewhere.
[19:07] <Unggnu> The ath5k from the backports couldn't connect to/show channel 12/13
[19:08] <Unggnu> but reception looks better maybe if it doesn't crash ...
[19:09] <Unggnu> No package loss so far. It should really integrated in the released kernel but of course without the channel problem. Otherwise people with Atheros wlan cards will have fun with Jaunty
[19:09] <Unggnu> *packet
[19:10] <cetanhota> Is the person still here who was having a problem with 9.04 and Virtualbox?
[19:11] <cetanhota> This thread has the fix for 9.04 as a virtualbox guest. http://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=15512
[19:12] <Unggnu> Thanks for help IntuitiveNipple
[19:16] <gran`> hi im trying to use my laptop speakers as sound for my xbox, worked on intrepid and hardy but im not sure what settings to change on jaunty?
[19:19] <Carutsu> I'm having artifacts in my windows also all the video releated task are very, very slow, I have an Intel 945 video card (IIRC) and I didn't have this issues with Kubuntu 8.10 using KDE4.2.1 (from PPA)
[19:19] <Carutsu> is it a known problem?
[19:20] <XenoPhoenix> Carutsu, your not the only one experiencing that one I believe, though I don't know anything fixing it, you'll have to wait for someone else for that
[19:20] <Carutsu> XenoPhoenix: oh, well, thanks
[19:20] <Carutsu> I really hope it gets fixed soon... is so frustrating
[19:21] <XenoPhoenix> it might be fixable at this stage, I just don't know anything about how to do it, I'm a gnome-ite :P
[19:21] <DoYouKnow> does ubuntu 9.04 beta work with wubi?
[19:21] <Carutsu> XenoPhoenix: thanks =D
[19:21] <DoYouKnow> the amd64 version
[19:22] <yofel> Carutsu: bug 303011 might interest you
[19:22] <XenoPhoenix> Carutsu, Thank the person who helps you fix it :P
[19:22] <Carutsu> yofel: I'll have a look
[19:22] <the_dark_warrio> There is a translation bug in Pidgin. How can I report?
[19:23] <Carutsu> XenoPhoenix: hehe, good point
[19:23] <XenoPhoenix> :)
[19:24] <BUGabundo> DoYouKnow: yes it has wubi
[19:24] <BUGabundo> the_dark_warrio: on launchpad
[19:24] <BUGabundo>  !launchpad
[19:25] <DoYouKnow> BUGabundo: thanks
[19:28] <the_dark_warrio> I suggested a new translation for the error. Is that enough?
[19:28] <BUGabundo> not as fast
[19:28] <BUGabundo> you can either send it upstream (to pidgin) or talk to the tranlastion team
[19:28] <BUGabundo> but a bug always helps
[19:29] <the_dark_warrio> I see, I will find how to report a bug so
[19:29] <Pici> !bugs
[19:30] <gran`> hi im trying to use my laptop speakers as sound for my xbox, worked on intrepid and hardy but im not sure what settings to change on jaunty?
[19:32] <M25> hey, if I install the Jaunty beta, when release time comes in a month will I have to do any version updating/clean installing or will it just smoothly roll over to Final?
[19:34] <melik> BUGabundo,
[19:34] <yofel> M25: if you install all updates then you will automatically have the final when the time comes ;)
[19:34] <M25> sweet, thanks
[19:35] <danbeck> No netbook remix torent?  http://releases.ubuntu.com/jaunty/
[19:35] <melik> i finally found what was wrong with my kinit: name_to_dev_t error was all about
[19:35] <danbeck> Is there not a netbook torrent available?
[19:35] <BUGabundo> melik:
[19:35] <BUGabundo> m25 of course
[19:35] <melik> basically i had to edit /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/resume
[19:36] <howieson28> many packages are not found is this normal by update?
[19:36] <BUGabundo> danbeck: is there an iso?
[19:36] <BUGabundo> if so there should be torrent
[19:36] <BUGabundo> ask on #ubuntu-mirrors
[19:36] <howieson28> all python packages?
[19:37] <melik> takes my jaunty 11 seconds to boot to GDM :D
[19:37] <howieson28> what can i do?
[19:37] <howieson28> with the python problem 404?
[19:37] <BUGabundo> melik: I don't believe
[19:37] <BUGabundo> install bootchart
[19:37] <danbeck> BUGabundo:  No, those are USB images for lpia and netbook devices.
[19:37] <BUGabundo> and post us the image
[19:37] <melik> what BUGabundo ?
[19:38] <BUGabundo>  !bootchart
[19:38] <BUGabundo> danbeck: yes that is correct! isn't that what you want?
[19:38] <BUGabundo> you can install the destkop skin on any other flavour!
[19:39] <yofel> howieson28: I got them here after trying serveral times, I think the servers are overloaded today ^^
[19:39] <danbeck> Yes, I mean there are not acutal isos, just usb images.  I was responding to your question about whether or not an ISO exists.
[19:39] <howieson28> can i take a other server?
[19:39] <danbeck> I found the lpia and netbook remix page, but it's just direct downloads at 40KB/s.  7 hours for an image. =(
[19:39] <danbeck> I'll check in mirrors.
[19:40] <howieson28> can i also update from a cd?
[19:40] <BUGabundo> danbeck: when I said isos, I meant images
[19:40] <danbeck> BUGabundo:  sure.  So, to answer, yes, there are images, but no torrents. =)
[19:40] <danbeck> at least, I can not find one.
[19:40] <BUGabundo> strange
[19:40] <BUGabundo> let me check
[19:40] <danbeck> yah
[19:41] <gran`> hi im trying to use my laptop speakers as sound for my xbox, worked on intrepid and hardy but im not sure what settings to change on jaunty?
[19:41] <melik> ok hang on BUGabundo
[19:41] <melik> ill restart
[19:41] <howieson28> can i update intrepid from a alternate cd?
[19:41] <BUGabundo> danbeck: yes.. no image there
[19:41] <BUGabundo> melik: WAIT
[19:41] <BUGabundo> you need one more package
[19:41] <melik> tell me name
[19:41] <yofel> howieson28: you can try another server, might help. cd: never tried
[19:41] <BUGabundo> bootchart something
[19:42] <BUGabundo> pybootchart or something
[19:42] <BUGabundo> let me check
[19:42] <BUGabundo> its new
[19:42] <melik> pybootchartgui
[19:42] <melik> ?
[19:42] <BUGabundo> melik: bootchart-java
[19:42] <BUGabundo> or that
[19:42] <BUGabundo> some ppl perfer one to the other
[19:42] <BUGabundo> install and reboot
[19:42] <howieson28> and how sorry for my bad english?
[19:43] <BUGabundo> howieson28: yes it should be possible
[19:43] <BUGabundo> but it won't have all the packages you have installed
[19:43] <howieson28> with cd?
[19:43] <howieson28> and can i change the server because its overload
[19:43] <howieson28> a update this time takes 12 hours by me
[19:44] <BUGabundo> howieson28: of course you can
[19:44] <BUGabundo> use the auto find to choose the better server for you
[19:45] <howieson28> and how my synaptic cant take this
[19:46] <BUGabundo> got to software sources and add it
[19:46] <BUGabundo> but usually inserting the cd, it should start!
[19:47] <howieson28> where can i change the server
[19:47] <BUGabundo> Software Sources
[19:48] <DasKreech> Is cdimages down?
[19:50] <melik> BUGabundo,
[19:50] <danbeck> feels like it is.. lol
[19:50] <melik> http://omploader.org/vMWZ6eQ/matrix-jaunty-20090327-1.png
[19:50] <danbeck> it's slow as hell.  Was getting 400kb/s last night.  40 now
[19:51] <BUGabundo> melik: DAMN
[19:51] <BUGabundo> 20 sec to gdm??
[19:51] <zniavre> hello i can't find screenshot tools in synaptic
[19:51] <melik> 18.32
[19:51] <BUGabundo> I want that too
[19:51] <melik> :)
[19:52] <melik> and its only a single core processor and 1 gig ram
[19:52] <melik> heh
[19:52] <BUGabundo> melik: http://fileland.bugabundo.net/fotos/Linux/bootchart
[19:52] <BUGabundo> 85 secs for me
[19:54] <BUGabundo> melik: ping
[19:55] <melik> BUGabundo, how many daemons do you run?
[19:55] <DasKreech> argh
[19:55] <DasKreech> cdimages is a walking zombie
[19:55] <danbeck> cry
[19:56] <BUGabundo> melik: too many ?!
[19:56] <danbeck> get off mah server so I can get my Mini9 working
[19:56] <BUGabundo> DasKreech: yes it is
[19:56] <melik> yeah i can see that :P
[19:56] <BUGabundo> danbeck: ahahahaha
[19:56] <danbeck> lol
[19:57] <melik> BUGabundo, does this log to GDM
[19:57] <melik> or to a completely working GDM enviornment
[19:57] <BUGabundo> only gmd
[19:57] <BUGabundo> it usued to be possible to go longer
[19:57] <melik> hang on im going to re-run it.. i could have swore it seemed like. 13 seconds
[19:57] <BUGabundo> check my older ones
[19:57] <melik> brb
[19:58] <BUGabundo> melik: you can try to profile the boot
[19:58] <BUGabundo> and scrap a few extra secs
[19:58] <melik> profile the boot?
[19:58] <melik> as in configure it?
[19:59] <melik> lke the startup daemons
[19:59] <melik> brb
[20:02] <zorglu_> !info git-core
[20:03] <BUGabundo> zorglu_: using packages.ubuntu.com would be better lol
[20:03] <zorglu_> ok :)
[20:07] <melik> yep its 18
[20:07] <BUGabundo> melik: on grup press 'e'
[20:07] <BUGabundo> then 'e'  to edit the kernel line
[20:07] <BUGabundo> and append 'profile'
[20:07] <BUGabundo> 'enter' and then 'b' to boot
[20:08] <BUGabundo> this is a ONE time thing
[20:08]  * blueyed is getting a lot of scrollkeeper errors during upgrades. Does "sudo dpkg-reconfigure scrollkeeper" work for you without any?
[20:09] <blueyed> all like "Entity '$APPNAME' not defined"..?!
[20:09] <eseven73> im only getting like 34kb/s when trying to install stuff, is the servers down or something?
[20:09] <billybigrigger_> BUGabundo, profiling should shave a few seconds on boot? is that the point of it?
[20:09] <BUGabundo> humm it optimizes the files that you boot
[20:09] <blueyed> eseven73: they appear to be slow, yes. Add your local mirror to it.
[20:09] <billybigrigger_> eseven73, servers are bogged down from beta release be patient
[20:09] <eseven73> k
[20:09] <BUGabundo> dinner back latter
[20:10] <billybigrigger_> didnt know i could boot faster than 18s :P hehe gonna go try it now
[20:11] <tdn> Where do I report Xubuntu 9.04 Beta bugs?
[20:11] <Doctor_Nick> AT THE MOVIE THEATER TO SEE MONSTERS VS ALIENS
[20:11] <tdn> Just on launchpad like normal Ubuntu bugs?
[20:11] <TheInfinity> launchpad.
[20:12] <BUGabundo> tdn: on launchpad as usual
[20:12] <QPrime> greetings, has anyone had locale issues with the alpha6 --> beta updates?  specifically incorrect language selection on boot.
[20:12] <BUGabundo> mention the package version running $apt-cache policy PACKAGENAME
[20:12] <Halow> Wow. This makes me a little sad. Bug 332945
[20:12] <pace_t_zulu> anyone running jaunty desktop on vmware fusion?
[20:12] <akorn> Need help...last night i installed the beta for 9.04, on my 16 gig USB drive...i partitioned the drive and everything, and yes it loads perfectly and runs wonderfully off the USB drive...however, when i reboot my computer, i get an error 21 from grub, which doesn't load up, BUT if i keep the USB drive plugged in, grub loads up (off the USB drive) and it also lists off all my other OS's and everything. What I'm wondering is HOW do i fix
[20:12] <akorn>  this? (and what's the pastebin url for anybody who wants to see what my grub menu.lst looks like?)
[20:13] <akorn> i know where the pastbin is nvm
[20:22] <sammy> should updating ever spontaneously kill my X session?
[20:23] <dtchen> removing test kernels now that -11.38 is available.
[20:23] <sammy> I'm guessing no but maybe updating certain things, it should be expected? and I shouldn't be doing anything with my computer while updating?
[20:26] <aditirex> hy
[20:27] <dtchen> sammy: it shouldn't, no. please file a bug if you have additional details or can reproduce it
[20:27] <aditirex> does anyway has a working ati 3650HD ?
[20:27] <aditirex> It doesn't work for me ...
[20:27] <sammy> dtchen: unfortunately it was during the last round of updates. I could try reverting to the older versions of all of the packages, and running apt-get upgrade again
[20:28] <sammy> I should just know better than to do anything while updating. which I usually don't, in fact, since I've been running jaunty I shut down everything while updating. this last round though, the servers were so overloaded, it took 3 hours for the packages to finish downloading. if it happens again, I'll look into it
[20:29] <sammy> I just didn't know if certain packages getting upgraded might cause that behavior, at which case users should be notified. danke.
[20:30] <aditirex> I need some help with ati 3650hd on jaunty ... anyone ?
[20:33] <sammy> ooh. I found some information in /var/log/gdm/, I'll file a bug.
[20:37] <bsnider> aditirex, amd released a new catalyst driver for it today
[20:38] <genii> aditirex: I have that card but under 8.04 atm
[20:39] <the99zChris> can anyone help me? i restored my xorg file (didn't help original problem) but now i can't set my screen resolution low enough to play games...(hardy
[20:40] <yofel> the99zChris: this is the support channel for ubuntu Jaunty Jackalope (9.04) - for hardy heron you should ask in #ubuntu
[20:41] <the99zChris> k thanks
[20:42] <aditirex> bsnider : so the driver that is in repositories now it's broken ?
[20:44] <bsnider> aditirex, yes it is, if it isn't the 9.3 driver
[20:45] <aditirex> in repos it's 8.6
[20:45] <bsnider> that driver xdoesn't work with the new x server
[20:45] <BUGabundo> muibe: ping
[20:46] <muibe> BUGabundo: ?
[20:46] <BUGabundo> how did it go?
[20:48] <muibe> python upgrade was very succesful with the expection that python-hevy application deskbar-applet still doesn't work.. but i'm thinking if it has something to do with the gnome-panel configuration
[20:49] <muibe> i move away the configuration files and kill the panel and try to launch the deskbar again
[20:49] <bsnider> aditirex, the 8.6 driver is the correct one. it's an unreleased beta that's compatible wtih x-server 1.6
[20:50] <aditirex> well ... it doesn't work for me
[20:50] <rconan> uhm... most recent amarok update seems to have removed the menu entry...
[20:50] <rconan> anyone else confirm this?
[20:51] <bsnider> aditirex, it doesn't work at all?
[20:51] <aditirex> noup , I get a blank screen
[20:52] <bsnider> cool
[20:55] <melik> man now i cant wait for karmic koala :/
[20:56] <bsnider> what'd you call me?
[20:56] <melik> i hope we get some nice themes
[20:57] <melik> im honestly sick of orange/brown
[20:57] <lupine_85> you can has blue?
[20:57] <lupine_85> ubuntu inspired me to wear brown shirts, actually
[20:58] <melik> i HATE the color brown
[20:58] <lupine_85> :p
[20:58] <bsnider> you can change the theme
[20:58] <lupine_85> i have an all-brown outfit
[20:58] <melik> bsnider, i know that
[20:58] <melik> and i have lol
[20:58] <lupine_85> even sox
[20:58] <melik> i want some nice professional default theme
[20:59] <melik> thats not brown
[20:59] <melik> :$
[20:59] <lupine_85> sabdfl perogative?
[20:59] <bsnider> tryfedora's theme
[21:06] <Cycom> what was wrong with python?
[21:07] <BUGabundo1> Cycom: not much by now
[21:07] <Cycom> BUGabundo1: thus the "was" :)
[21:07] <BUGabundo1> unless your mirror is hangging old
[21:07] <uniscript>  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python2.6/+bug/349467 was what *was* wrong
[21:08] <Cycom> ooh, yeah. anything that breaks update-manager = bad.
[21:10] <BUGabundo1> eheh
[21:10] <PolitikerNEU> Hello, I got the following two problems with ubuntu 9.04 64bit gnome live-cd: 1) It only has 800x600 Resolution (minor problem) and 2) It doesn't start the partitioning tool so I can not install ubuntu (major problem) (The tool says 100% - but then the dialog disappears and I am still at step 3. I can click on "forward", but nothing happens any more)
[21:10] <Cycom> PolitikerNEU: when did you download the disc?
[21:11] <bsnider> PolitikerNEU, what graphics hardware?
[21:11] <PolitikerNEU> Today
[21:11] <PolitikerNEU> A few hours ago
[21:11] <Cycom> PolitikerNEU: so it's the beta, yes?
[21:11] <PolitikerNEU> Nvidia Geforce 7, I think - yes, it is the beta
[21:12] <ripps> tracker-indexer is using between 80-98% cpu usage, It's been doing it for 2 hours, it starting overheat my cpu.
[21:12] <bsnider> don't worry about the graphics problem. the binary blob isn't on the livecd
[21:12] <PolitikerNEU> yeah - as I said: that is a minor problem
[21:12] <Cycom> ripps: heh. clearly your CPU doesn't have sufficient cooling!
[21:12] <Cycom> brb. reboot.
[21:16] <rom1v> hi
[21:17] <rom1v> flashplugin-nonfree doesn't work in jaunty 64bits
[21:17] <Cycom> rom1v: does too.
[21:17] <rom1v> http://forum.ubuntu-fr.org/viewtopic.php?id=304330
[21:19] <Cycom> rom1v: have you tried installing ia32-libs and nspluginwrapper first?
[21:19] <PolitikerNEU> is there a way to install ubuntu from within another linux distribution (but unlike wubi, do a "real" installation)?
[21:20] <ripps> I can't even kill tracker-indexer. After I kill it, it just comes pack a minute later, I starts low at 5% cpu, but after about 10 minutes it starts spiking to 100% again.
[21:20] <rom1v> Cycom, no, but that's strange to install ia32libs, while I think flash has been released in 64bits
[21:22] <Cycom> rom1v: at this time, flash under ubuntu 64 bit still uses the 32bit plugin wrapper.
[21:22] <rom1v> :(
[21:23] <Cycom> rom1v: it's not the big of a deal.  it still works fine.  do you really need your flash videos to access more than 4gb of memory?
[21:25] <pace_t_zulu> anyone know about 'open-vm-toolbox' package on jaunty?
[21:30] <pace_t_zulu> anyone know about 'open-vm-toolbox' package on jaunty?
[21:32] <rconan> anyone else had hundreds of file browser windows starting up at logon time?
[21:32] <rconan> it's still happening!
[21:32] <rconan> argh!
[21:34] <RizR> how to configure/disable notifications in jaunty?
[21:34] <RizR> those new funky notifications i mean :-)
[21:35] <rconan> managed to stop it by killing nautilus
[21:35] <rconan> weird
[21:35] <rconan> now nautilus is coredumping
[21:35] <eseven73> after updating, my keyboard is in Arabic! wth?!
[21:35] <pace_t_zulu> anyone know about 'open-vm-toolbox' package on jaunty?
[21:36] <rconan> which package has nautilus debugging symbols?
[21:36] <bsnider> oh, your keyboard shouldn't be in arabic
[21:36] <rconan> ah... nautilus-dbg obviously
[21:36] <eseven73> bsnider: it was fine till i did some updates just now :(
[21:37] <eseven73> and selecting lanugage isnt in the log on screen isnt helping
[21:38] <bsnider> you might want to look at keyboard properties. but how did the keys get repainted?
[21:38] <eseven73> donno
[21:38] <eseven73> first time ive ever seen something like this
[21:41] <eseven73> how do i reconfigure my keyboard to use English again?
[21:41] <billisnice> If anyone can send in a request to ubuntu folks. I would like the sound to be fixed for the dell mini 9 --UNR USB image. I think you can add a line but many folks will not know how and the interface is one of the best i have seen for a mini puter
[21:41] <rconan> right... I caught it...
[21:41] <rconan> nautilus coredumps at startup if there is a CD in my drive
[21:42] <danbeck> billisnice:  What is hte fix?
[21:43] <aditirex> how can I revert to intrepid ?
[21:43] <billisnice> i can not remember off the top of my head
[21:43] <bsnider> billisnice, what's a dell mini 9?
[21:43] <danbeck> Dell's netbook line.
[21:43] <danbeck> 9" 10" and some other sizes.
[21:44] <billisnice> 9"
[21:44] <billisnice> add one line to a text file
[21:47] <billisnice> this link step 6 http://www.ubuntumini.com/2008/10/installing-ubuntu-on-dell-inspiron-mini.html
[21:47] <billisnice> step 4
[21:48] <billisnice> at the terminal sudo gedit /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base
[21:48] <billisnice> then add options snd-hda-intel model=dell to the end of the file
[21:49] <billisnice> but, it should be in the file so not to add because dell mini is a cult puter
[21:49] <bsnider> it is? which cult?
[21:49] <billisnice> cult--a following of folks
[21:49] <bsnider> scientology?
[21:49] <billisnice> lol
[21:49] <billisnice> no quite
[21:50] <billisnice> please send to upload to final 9.04 release
[21:50] <billisnice> whomever has the juice to get it in the final release
[22:00] <imme-emosol> My Jaunty does not start anymore , drops me to busybox.
[22:00] <imme-emosol> Can anyone help me with that?
[22:00] <BUGabundo1> imme-emosol: what did you do before?
[22:01] <imme-emosol> I updated.
[22:01] <imme-emosol> It cannot find the drive anymore. :S
[22:01] <BUGabundo1> strane
[22:03] <imme-emosol> beh , wrong key-combo...
[22:03] <ultratek> how come i have to dpkg -i atidriverfilename.run every time i reboot my machine to get back into ubuntu
[22:03] <ultratek> i mean *.deb
[22:04] <ultratek> based off http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Jaunty_Installation_Guide#The_open_source_drivers
[22:06] <imme-emosol> what modules should be loaded to be able to see my hard-drive device ?
[22:07] <imme-emosol> a.k.a. with busybox there is no hard-drive - like thing in /dev/
[22:08] <bruce89> Cycom: any news?
[22:11] <ultratek> bruce, do you know anything about ati and xorg?
[22:21] <rom1v> hi
[22:21] <rom1v> in preferences, qt 4 config :
[22:21] <rom1v> http://pix.toile-libre.org/upload/original/1238192229.png
[22:21] <rom1v> I chose GTK+
[22:21] <rom1v> but it has no effect on digikam for example
[22:21] <rom1v> http://pix.toile-libre.org/upload/original/1238192377.png
[22:21] <rom1v> is it normal?
[22:22] <bruce89> KDE programs for some reason use a different theming thing
[22:23]  * aurel42 upgrade another box to jaunty. Let's see whether the same stuff is broken or whether it's different stuff this time.
[22:23] <rom1v> but some people seem to make it work : http://nwarrenfl.open-web.fr/2009/03/25/programmes-kde-4-dans-gnome/
[22:25] <aurel42> Anyone here using ssh-agent for extended amounts of time without the ssh-agent process dying? ("<defunct>")
[22:26] <bruce89> rom1v: kwriteconfig --file kdeglobals --group General --key widgetStyle gtk
[22:26] <rom1v> yes, it works, but fonts are still big
[22:27] <rom1v> compared to gnome fonts
[22:27] <rom1v> and the dialog box should set this value
[22:28] <bruce89> I'm afraid I don't know, perhaps #kubuntu+1 or #kubuntu may know
[22:35] <rom1v> how to revert this command?
[22:35] <rom1v> kwriteconfig --file kdeglobals --group General --key widgetStyle gtk
[22:40] <crdlb> rom1v: apparently widgetstyle is just the theme name
[22:40] <crdlb> so just replace gtk with whatever you want
[22:40] <rom1v> the previous selected...?
[22:40] <crdlb> ?
[22:43] <nellmathew> hey guys, when using the minimal iso of jaunty - the latest release gets installed right? (beta, not one of the alphas).. right?
[22:44] <bruce89> nellmathew: assuming its a beta CD
[22:44] <uniscript> and assuming the mirror you pull from is beta
[22:45] <uniscript> but of course a simple update will bring your alpha up to beta
[22:45] <uniscript> so it doesn't really matter that much
[22:45] <nellmathew> ah alright then, no worries.. seems pretty responsive compared to previous versions so far..
[22:46] <uniscript> for me gnome still takes forever to start
[22:47] <uniscript> boot times are becoming snappier but gnome is now becoming painful
[22:48] <jdahl> I have not been able to configure a wireless network in KDE 4.2, which works perfectly under gnome... how are you supposed to setup wireless on Kubuntu 9.04?
[22:49] <nellmathew> yeah definitely noticed the boot difference. i made 2 partitions; 1 with ext3 jaunty and 1 with ext4 jaunty.. figured i'd help with dev a bit by posting up bug reports - i'm switching over to linux for everything.. traded in my iphone for a g1 after i learned android is *nix based lol.
[22:50] <nellmathew> open-source is gonna put me out of work one day (programmer) but w/e
[22:52] <ppe> hi, ich habe jaunty beta installiert und da ist ja diese separate-benachrichtigungsfeld für mit dem mail-symbol. hab das gerade deinstalliert und pidgin zeigt sich mich nach dem neustart nicht mehr in der benachrichtigungsleiste an. was kann ich da tun?
[22:53] <PhotoJim> ppe: nicht sprechen sie Deutsch :(
[22:54] <rww> !de | ppe
[22:54] <ppe> ok, sorry..
[22:55] <vistakiller> jaunty is great until now
[22:55] <PhotoJim> ppe: no problem!
[22:55] <vistakiller> everything works fine
[22:55] <vistakiller> the only problem i have is that compiz crash very often
[22:55] <ppe> I've got a problem with the new notifying applett, which is in the standard-installation. I've deinstalled it and now I don't have any pidgin icon in the panel.
[22:56] <ppe> I hope you understand me. :-)
[22:56] <Veinor> man, I really hope that notify-osd fixes this dual monitor bug soon
[22:56] <PhotoJim> ppe: yes.  unfortunately, I don't know the answer.  but hopefully someone else here does.
[22:56] <Veinor> whoa, what's this in the topic about python
[22:56] <ppe> ok, it was in the pidgin-options.
[22:56] <ppe> thanks.
[22:58] <yofel> Veinor: bug 349467 got fixed ;)
[22:59] <Veinor> that's a pretty big bug
[23:01]  * lupine_85 is impressed by jaunty, will update desktop too
[23:02] <Roey> heh.
[23:02] <Roey> I need to move /boot to /
[23:02] <Roey> bbl.
[23:05] <lupine_85> 1345 upgraded, 145 newly installed, 26 to remove and 2 not upgraded.
[23:05] <lupine_85> Need to get 1315MB of archives.
[23:06] <hggdh> good. I hope you have a nice connection speed...
[23:07] <nellmathew> hmm, in a clean install anyone notice nm-applet isn't visible in gnome? (i'm connected though)
[23:08] <crdlb> nellmathew: is there a notification area?
[23:08] <J_Litewski> who has a Dell Inspiron 1000?
[23:09] <nellmathew> crdlb, yeah notification area's there..
[23:09] <J_Litewski> i need the xorg.conf settings
[23:09] <nellmathew> nvm
[23:09] <nellmathew> crdlb, didn't notice the icon changed lol
[23:28] <cobra99> Hi all. I installed 9.04 beta on a fresh system. Once installed i got a bunch of crash reports. A sudo dpkg --configure -a said that it had problems with hpijs package. is this a known bug?
[23:45] <cobra99> forums suggest its python borked, but it also states that version 2.6.1-1ubuntu5.1 is the "good" version, but thats what i have currently installed, checked with synaptic. anyone can give me some pointers on how to analyse this?
[23:52] <bruce89> &pythob
[23:53] <J_Litewski> why would xorg.conf be 0 bytes?
[23:53] <bruce89> J_Litewski: because it's not used any more
[23:53] <J_Litewski> it's run by the kernel now?
[23:53] <QPrime> _Litewski: its used (if it exists) but is generally not needed
[23:53] <_VIM_2> is sounds not working in Xubuntu 9.04?
[23:54] <J_Litewski> _VIM_2: my sound works just fine
[23:54] <_VIM_2> nice to know they work for someone at least
[23:57] <J_Litewski> _VIM_2: I'm also using intergrated sound on my laptop
[23:58] <_VIM_2> well i had it working in Ubuntu 8.10 so i know it's not my sound card
[23:59] <elvirolo> hi everyone
[23:59] <elvirolo> it seems that the latest updates broke my kde4 environment