=== jmarsden_ is now known as jmarsden [06:31] Good morning [08:17] kenvandine_wk: please don't bother attaching orig.tar.gz's to bug reports; it's already in your PPA (for opal) [08:46] pitti - did you get your DSL connection sorted? [08:46] chrisccoulson: yes, has worked since Tuesday; me happy ;) [08:46] thats good to hear:) [08:46] i get a new DSL connection today (hopefully). i've been completely lost without it for the last week ;) [08:47] that sucks [08:47] chrisccoulson: no 3G or so? [08:47] I'm using my UMTS USB stick when my main internet is down [08:49] i've been using the 3G connection on my cell phone [08:49] it's a bit slow though ;) [08:59] good morning there [08:59] * seb128 looks at the jaunty-changes unread count, yeah unfrozen! [08:59] * pitti hugs seb128, bonjour [08:59] * seb128 hugs pitti [09:00] seb128: where's your Jedi student? [09:00] pitti: ^ [09:01] * pitti hugs robert_ancell [09:01] pitti: apparently he doesn't have the IRC reflex yet ;-) [09:01] robert_ancell: congrats and thanks for your first jaunty uploads! [09:02] morning everyone ! [09:02] hello mister robert_ancell ! [09:02] bonjour huats [09:02] lut huats [09:02] bonjour pitti [09:02] hey seb128 :) [09:03] seb128: recent retracer failure reported as bug 349407 and restarted, so ignore it [09:03] Launchpad bug 349407 in apport "retracer crashes when setting importance of dup'ed bugs" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/349407 [09:03] huats: how are you? [09:03] pitti: ok thanks [09:03] you have no idea how happy I am to be here with you... the lasts days have been really busy with no internet :( [09:03] hi all! [09:03] but now it is better :) [09:03] seb128: I am fine then :) [09:03] * seb128 hugs huats [09:03] thanks ! [09:04] good :-) [09:04] seb128: how are you ? [09:04] did they send uds invitations yet? [09:04] * huats hugs seb128 too [09:04] seb128: I don't think so, or neither didrocks or I have been invited :( [09:04] huats: good thanks, spent the week in London and flying back tonight [09:04] oh great :) [09:04] huats: they are rather slacking on the sending side [09:04] I really love london [09:05] seb128: ok [09:05] huats: Hi Christophe! Didn't know your nick [09:05] robert_ancell: I am sure you didn't :) [09:05] robert_ancell: but don't worry you'll get use to seen me here ;) [09:06] * robert_ancell nick-to-name database is growing in his head [09:06] and by the time you wish you don't know my nick [09:06] :) [09:06] just ask seb128 or pitti they can confirm :) [09:07] huats: seb128 will still get the worst of it as I'm hiding in another timezone :) [09:07] :) [09:27] good morning gents [09:35] re [09:35] mvo: did you get bugs about update-manager eatin 100%cpu during installs? [09:35] somebody asked about that on an IRC chan this week and I just got the issue [09:42] seb128: no [09:42] seb128: does it happen all the time? [09:42] seb128: or just for some installs [09:42] * mvo tries to reroduce [09:43] mvo: dunno, it happened today [09:43] I didn't notice it before [09:43] and the update was too short to debug it really [09:52] didrocks, Laney: could you try to get bug #317602 moving? [09:52] Launchpad bug 317602 in libpst "Please upgrade libpst from upstream at www.five-ten-sg.com/libpst" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/317602 [09:52] we got bug #349312 now [09:52] Launchpad bug 349312 in evolution "Evolution 2.26 does not support import of outlook .pst" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/349312 [10:04] seb128: hi... do you keep a list of desktop-applications still in need of launchpad-integration? [10:05] Ampelbein: hello, no [10:05] baobab needs one in gnome-utils [10:06] f-spot but that's mono and we have no binding for that [10:06] seb128: in hardy, gdm halted the system on its own, while in intrepid we switched to the ConsoleKit D-BUS functions, right? [10:06] pitti: no, gdm didn't change, still calling shutdown directly [10:06] oh, argh [10:07] pitti: gnome-session was using the gdm interface in hardy though [10:07] ok, i'll do a little research myself. i could create a wiki-page based on the desktop-team packages with the status of launchpad-integration, if that's helping? [10:07] seb128: so fusa and gnome-panel still call gdm, not CK? [10:07] pitti: and it's using ck in intrepid [10:07] pitti: no they do call ck [10:07] pitti: you asked about gdm ;-) [10:07] pitti: right now, i got an update-manager bug that repros consistently but fails to be reported by apport [10:07] seb128: I just tried to reproduce it, no luck [10:08] mvo: ok, I will try to get details if that happens again [10:08] mvo: I get the "do you want to reboot every time" btw and I did reboot [10:08] mvo: I guess that's the bug you fixed yesterday? [10:08] pitti: actually it looks like a pygtk bug but it's strange that apport fails to report it --> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pygtk/+bug/349467 [10:08] Ubuntu bug 349467 in pygtk "update-manager fails to install todays updates due to "undefined symbol: PyUnicodeUCS4_DecodeUTF8"" [Undecided,New] [10:09] ^ I can confirm that [10:09] seb128: okay, thanks [10:09] python2.6 got broken [10:09] go doko go [10:09] mvo: ^ [10:11] geh [10:11] *sigh* [10:11] I suspect it is the change to configure args in http://launchpadlibrarian.net/24209669/python2.6_2.6.1-1ubuntu4_2.6.1-1ubuntu5.diff.gz [10:11] doesn't seem to be documented in the changelog though [10:17] seb128: yes, do you have the new version already? [10:17] mvo: yes [10:18] mvo: cf #ubuntu-devel discussion [10:18] seb128: I mean the new update-notifier :) (the other bug you mentioned) [10:19] mvo: oh, I just upgraded this morning [10:19] I have 0.76.6 [10:20] seb128: ok, let me know if its still happening after you logged in with the new one [10:21] ok [10:22] pitti: the gdm bug is not really fixed [10:22] pitti: ie if you reboot from the login screen you will get no warning [10:22] right, not in gdm, but from panel and fusa? [10:23] The gdm issue won't be fixed with the current gdm, I figure [10:24] right [10:40] pitti: bug #349437 is a duplicate but I don't remember what is to blame [10:40] Launchpad bug 349437 in gnome-session "System policy prevents stopping the system when other users are logged in" [Low,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/349437 [10:40] pitti: cron had a ck session entry [10:41] libpam-ck-connector [10:41] consolekit [10:41] pitti: we discussed about a such issue some time ago and you reassigned it somewhere ... do you remember what was buggy? [10:41] james_w: thanks [10:41] it's a dupe [10:41] james_w: right what I was saying ;-) [10:41] " is a duplicate but I don't remember what is to blame" [10:42] bug 287715 [10:42] Launchpad bug 287715 in consolekit "Trying to shut down or restart falsely suggests others are logged in" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/287715 [10:42] james_w: want to close it if you know where the is the other bug? [10:43] seb128: right, james_w beat me to it, thanks [10:43] james_w: thanks [10:48] seb128, I had several requests to install gnome-user-share by default, It make sense to me, but I know the space is limited. what you think about. it has several dependencies like apache2 and obex-dat-server [10:48] crevette: not for jaunty [10:48] I guess :) [10:49] and I'm not sure we want to install apache by default no [10:49] seb128, because of the security risks ? [10:49] because most desktop users don't want a webserver running yes [10:50] no open port by default [10:50] system-wise or user-wise ? [10:50] seb128: rhythmbox is segfaulting for me loading the python plugin, so probably for the same reason, you may see a couple of reports on that today [10:50] though if apport is broken we won't see much fallout from this :-) [10:51] hehe [10:51] for apache2, it would be cool, if it wasn't started by default system-wise and for gnome-user-share we can modify the gconf schema to not enable webdav sharing. [10:51] heh :) [10:51] but we might get those in a bit, when apport-gtk starts working again, and collects all the pending .crash files [10:56] i got the same thing with totem, it SEGVs in totem_python_module_load() [11:28] mpt: dunno if you are interested but gnome bug #576587 discuss unmount against eject [11:28] Gnome bug 576587 in gdu volume monitor "allow eject even on non-ejectable volumes" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=576587 [11:30] thanks seb128 [11:30] np, thanks for looking at it ;-) [11:52] bryce: you remember these firefox crashes on start because of bad window id bug? [12:07] seb128: looking into the related for "ubuntu desktop bugs", i see the package seahorse-plugins missing. could you subscribe the team to bugmail so that the package gets listed? [12:08] Ampelbein: done [12:09] thanks [12:24] * asac lunch [12:39] hey pedro_ [12:39] salut seb128 [12:40] pedro_: bug #349467 [12:40] Launchpad bug 349467 in python2.6 "Many python programs fail with: "undefined symbol: PyUnicodeUCS4_DecodeUTF8"" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/349467 [12:41] pedro_: be aware of this one it might get quite some duplicates today [12:41] pedro_: the fixed binaries will be published soon [12:41] pedro_: but it might take a while for mirrors to get those [12:43] seb128: ok!, will keep an eye, thanks for letting me know [12:43] you're welcome === thunderstruck is now known as gnomefreak [13:35] seb128: robert_ancell: how is it going? === thunderstruck is now known as gnomefreak [13:47] pitti: http://paste.ubuntu.com/138961/ ... does that "lost something" like an apport bug? [13:47] sound [13:48] pitti: if you havent seen something like that i will just suggest to retry [13:52] asac: apparently a glitch in launchpad, sounds like a race condition [13:52] asac: we had that a while ago, but I thought it was fixed now, hmm [13:53] pitti: ok i will ask her to retry [13:53] if it happens again we can look [13:54] rick's IRC seems to be still crashing [13:58] hey rickspencer3, IRC still crashing? [13:59] rickspencer3: we were at lunch, things are going good [13:59] rickspencer3: FYI, just updated https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/ReleaseStatus; looking better every day :) [13:59] rickspencer3: this need-packaging bug you assigned to robert_ancell that was in reaction of canonical-desktop-team being subscribed? [14:00] rickspencer3: that was an error apparently and I unsubscribed the team some hours ago, not sure if you still want us to look at it [14:01] seb128: sounds like you did look at it :) [14:01] was it tagged with ct-rev? [14:01] * rickspencer3 checks [14:01] rickspencer3: no, that was not an escalated bug [14:01] rickspencer3: but a random person who did subscribe teams when he meant to search for teams [14:02] * rickspencer3 reads release status === sabdfl1 is now known as sabdfl [14:15] seb128: Why did we need to package libpst from scratch? [14:15] Laney: we being? [14:16] whoever did this update [14:16] seb128: fyi - I ct-rev'd the shutter bug (I'm a but on auto pilot ;) ) [14:16] it's already in Debian and Ubuntu [14:16] hggdh: ^ [14:16] rickspencer3: see my comments on the gnome-mount bug? [14:16] rickspencer3: Hi [14:16] rickspencer3: ok [14:16] in the future, feel free to just unsubscribe and ct-rev it yourself. I'll see that you did so, and can respond if I think there's a problem [14:17] kenvandine_wk: which? [14:17] Laney: the debian version is a fork of the time where upstream was not actively working [14:17] I was expecting to see more bugs, and more sever bugs, this morning [14:17] Laney: it only builds a binary and no library [14:17] Laney: upstream picked up work again since [14:18] Laney: and they did a proper library and evolution uses that one now [14:18] Is this new upstream completely different? [14:18] Laney: the packaging is basically a switch back to the new upstream version [14:18] I'm just asking why this package isn't based on what we already have [14:18] Laney: it was quicker to redo the packaging [14:18] Laney: the codebase are totally different apparently [14:19] rickspencer3: bug 345317 [14:19] Launchpad bug 345317 in notify-osd "usb/firewire(?) notifications are not implemented" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/345317 [14:19] Laney, what is the question? [14:20] kenvandine_wk: why would we pop a notification and open a window? [14:20] we shouldn't [14:20] i was just suggesting this might be something other than gnome-mount specific [14:20] maybe we shouldn't notify for disks mounted [14:20] I don't think it's a bug, actually [14:20] yeah [14:21] hggdh: Did you work with Debian at all on libpst? [14:21] the spec suggests a notification when a usb or firewire device is plugged in [14:21] which might be kind of slick [14:21] oh? [14:21] Laney, I opened a debian bug. Never heard back from them [14:21] I thought it just opened the window, ready to roll [14:21] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NotifyOSD#device-detection [14:21] rickspencer3: for disks yes [14:21] which is not entirely surprising, given they were on freeze to publish [14:21] it mounts it and opens nautilus [14:22] I see [14:22] so mpt wants bubble (there's a device) ... then proper nautilus action [14:22] yeah, a usb device could be something else that won't get mounted [14:23] i think it is a wish list item though [14:23] and kind of a can of worms [14:24] what if you plugin a usb mouse... do we really want to notify of that? [14:24] kenvandine_wk: so it looks like the notification should rip for any device, so it is a valid bug [14:24] xorg will just work with it... so you don't really need to know [14:24] I think the priority of "low" is correct [14:25] kenvandine_wk: ah, your ekiga package works wonderfully now, uploading; thanks [14:25] the second part of the description is a duplicate of a bug that is fixed already [14:25] pitti: great :) [14:25] pitti: and it stopped crashing on me too... no idea why :) [14:25] I think the correct fix would be to pop the notification only if the system has not responded in some other way within some time limit (of like 250 ms) [14:26] kenvandine_wk: that seems hard to do properly, so I would advise leaving the bug as low, and perhaps we can pick it up in Karmic [14:26] rickspencer3: my thoughts exactly [14:26] rickspencer3: mind putting your comments on it? [14:30] kenvandine_wk: done [14:30] rickspencer3: thx [14:34] Hey, anyone here have any Bluetooth hardware that can share files? [14:34] And who would be willing to test a patch of mine for gnome-user-share?? :) [14:35] bratsche: i have a phone that i can browser just fine with gnome [14:35] *browse [14:38] popey: The bug is on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-user-share/+bug/337352 [14:38] Ubuntu bug 337352 in gnome-user-share "gnome-user-share notification changes" [Medium,Confirmed] [14:38] Hi mclasen! [14:38] I didn't know you hang out here. :) [14:38] hi [14:39] I'm everywhere [14:43] asac: hi [14:46] asac: so, where were we? [14:47] pitti: you asked for responses to bug 348940 [14:47] Launchpad bug 348940 in gnome-pilot "[FFE] New upstream release 2.0.17" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/348940 [14:48] pitti: unfortunately adding the gnome pilot app to the panel results in it running (I can see gpilotd and gpilot-applet in ps -ef) but no icon in the panel.. can someone else confirm this - no palm device is needed to do this [14:49] bratsche - i have BT hardware that can share files. I'll test your patch for you [14:49] pitti: sync works, in that i can press the sync button on my pda and i get a popup sync window on the laptop, but i cant configure it because the icon is missing [14:49] chrisccoulson: That would be awesome, thanks very much! [14:50] you're welcome [14:50] Chipaca: font config bitmap fonts [14:50] chrisccoulson: If you do see this dialog that I wrote, can you take a screenshot of it as well? There might be minor tweaks I need to do to it. But mostly I want to know if it shows up and basically works right. :) [14:50] asac: and dpkg-reconfigre fontconfig-config still showing the bitmapped fonts question, to no effect [14:50] Chipaca: what is your use case for using that font? [14:51] popey: I can't add it to the panel, since that first brings up the configuration wizard/dialog [14:51] i can do that. i just tested the current version (without the patch), and i see the fallback dialog, which I think is expected isn't it? [14:51] asac: I use it in gnome terminal, emacs, and pidgin; it's the most readable fixed-width font I've found [14:51] popey: and if I select the defaults there, it (rightfully) complains about "no such device" [14:51] pitti: i didnt think the configuration was compulsory [14:52] asac: where "readable" means "I can tell at a glance what is an I, a 1, an l, and a |", amongst other things [14:52] popey: right, applet is running, but not showing anything [14:52] pitti: shall i file a bug? [14:52] popey: does that still work with the current jaunty version (2.0.15)? [14:53] popey: please do, and link it from the "2.0.17 upgrade" bug [14:53] pitti: i got this problem before i updated to 2.0.17 [14:53] to keep a collection of feedback on it [14:53] so yes, it happens with 2.0.15 too [14:53] the current jaunty version has the same issue [14:53] popey: right, so it's not a regression [14:53] so there really shoudl be an existing bug report already [14:54] my memory fails, I cant recall if i have used this okay in jaunty at all [14:56] pitti: seb128 bug 349650, if you need more info, let me know [14:56] Launchpad bug 349650 in gnome-pilot "gpilotd running but no panel icon" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/349650 [14:56] update-manager tells me i must reboot... /me obeys the master [14:58] popey: can you please mention the testing done on bug 348940? [14:58] Launchpad bug 348940 in gnome-pilot "[FFE] New upstream release 2.0.17" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/348940 [15:02] pitti: sure [15:02] popey: thanks [15:03] asac: does that count as a use case? [15:05] bratsche - i'm still seeing the fallback notification with your patch [15:06] chrisccoulson: You're not using the patch at the top right? You're using the one later down the page? [15:07] the one titled "Small update" on the bug report [15:07] Take 2? [15:07] kenvandine_wk: Different bug. [15:07] oh [15:07] hehe [15:07] ok [15:07] :) [15:08] Chipaca: yes thanks. i need to understand why we saw a regression that required the no-bitmaps things now [15:08] chrisccoulson: Oh shit! Can you make a small one-line change and try again? [15:08] yep [15:09] chrisccoulson: Line 195 of obexpush.c [15:09] Change from if (supports_actions) [15:09] to if (supports_actions ()) [15:09] haha [15:09] asac: as I said, I don't see it as a regression (or rather, I didn't experience it as a regression); I've always had to do a dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig-config to enable bitmapped fonts to get the jmk fonts by default [15:09] that should probably do it ;) [15:09] i'll rebuild and try again [15:09] chrisccoulson: d'oh :) [15:09] hehe [15:10] asac: the regression, to me, was rather that dpgk-reconfigure fontconfig-config stopped working (without the option disappearing, which would've pointed me at /etc/fonts faster than otherwise) [15:10] Chipaca: yeah. that a cleanup thing. the debconf stuff isnt in the package anymore [15:10] Chipaca: can you file bug? [15:11] asac: no, sorry [15:11] asac: :-P of course! [15:11] hehe [15:11] thanks [15:17] bratsche - that works ok now. I attached a screenshot to the bug report [15:17] chrisccoulson: Nice, thanks! [15:18] the title bar could probably use an icon though [15:20] chrisccoulson: Did you try to do Open or Reveal and see if they still work right? [15:21] i'll try that in a second. also, the dialog appears on top of all the other windows [15:21] Oh yeah.. that's right. I'll fix that now. [15:21] thanks :) [15:22] bratsche - the buttons work ok too [15:23] although the naming confuses me slightly. i expected "Open" to open the file I just sent, but it actually opens the folder it was sent to. "Reveal" opens the file [15:24] this is inverted [15:24] chrisccoulson, actually reveal should pen the folder and open, shuld open the file [15:24] it seems to be the other way around ;) [15:25] chrisccoulson, I know the upstream code, I didi it [15:25] Did I mess something up? [15:25] it seems you got them swapped round in the case statement bratsche [15:27] robert_ancell: [15:27] http://download.gnome.org/sources/libunique/1.0/libunique-1.0.8.tar.gz [15:27] chrisccoulson, crevette: Thanks.. fixed and posted a new patch. [15:36] robert_ancell: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Recipes/CheckingLibrarySymbols [15:52] bratsche - i tested your revised patch [15:52] the actions work correctly now, but the dialog still appears in front of the other windows though [15:52] that might be a wm bug though [15:52] Hmm, weird.. I set focus_on_map = FALSE [15:53] i modified it slightly too by adding a gtk_window_set_icon_name, to give the dialog an icon [15:53] Great [15:53] Feel free to attach your diff there if you'd like.. or did you make a bzr branch? [15:55] it's just a diff. i can attach that there now [16:04] mvo_: i think we have a potential fix for the NM upgrade crashes and maybe even reconnects [16:05] mvo_: we would need to force a SRU fix on intrepid side before though ... is that something we can hint in update-manager? === jtisme is now known as jtholmes [16:12] anyone using dmraid in here? === jtholmes is now known as jtisme === jtisme is now known as jtholmes === jtholmes is now known as jtisme [16:24] seb128 - bug 347005 - are you using the human icon theme? [16:24] Launchpad bug 347005 in gnome-media "gnome-volume-control-settings: no application icon" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/347005 === jtisme is now known as jtholmes [16:28] chrisccoulson: yes === jtholmes is now known as jtjr === jtjr is now known as jtholmes [16:29] the dialog seems to behave the same as pavucontrol, where it displays a generic icon depending on the input stream, as opposed to showing the application icon === jtholmes is now known as jtjr [16:29] it seems that human is missing those icons [16:29] the theme i'm using has those icons, which is why i don't see it === jtjr is now known as jtholmes [16:30] chrisccoulson: ok, shouldn't it fallback to gnome or hicolor [16:30] or those doesn't have the icon either? [16:31] it seems they don't provide it either. perhaps gnome-media should ship a fallback in hicolor [16:32] right [16:32] it seems the icon name comes from pulseaudio === jtholmes is now known as jthII === jthII is now known as jtholmes === jtholmes is now known as jtisme === jtisme is now known as jtholmes === jtholmes is now known as jtisme === jtisme is now known as jtholmes [16:38] bah [16:39] oh, that icon [16:39] any of you folks seen an intrepid .vhd floating around anywhere? [16:39] what icon name is it looking for? [16:39] the rhythmbox app icon should be in hicolor [16:40] good question dobey. the icon name comes from PA_PROP_MEDIA_ICON_NAME [16:40] i'm testing a patch that prefers the applications own icon === jtholmes is now known as jtisme === jtisme is now known as jtholmes === jtholmes is now known as jth2 === jth2 is now known as jtisme === jtisme is now known as jtholmes [16:48] seb128 - i think that gnome-media bug is actually a theme problem. i'm just looking at the pulseuadio documentation, and the icon name should be the mimetype icons, with an example icon name "audio-x-mp3" [16:48] it looks easy to make it choose the window icon name though, if you would prefer that [16:49] right [16:49] have to go [16:49] bbl [16:59] actually something bad happend to my top gnome panel today [16:59] its not at the top anymore [16:59] but on the bottom [17:00] anyone seen this? [17:00] also the preferences dialog doesnt help [17:00] it always goes back to "bottom" [17:02] asac: perhaps gravity is stronger around your monitor, like some kind of black hole is pulling the panel down? [17:02] or maybe the adhesive for the panel is defective? [17:05] haha [17:06] for a moment i thought i opted into a UI design experiment or something as my top panel now overlays my "auto hiding" bottom panel :) [17:10] asac: re network-manager - we can enforce the update, not sure if its worth it though [17:16] mvo_: well. its a crash of Network during upgrade [17:16] thats bad user experience [17:16] if its not hard to add the hook lets check if the patch fixes it and make a SRU [17:16] if you force it or not is your decision ;) [17:17] asac: vaguely... [17:19] asac: right, I think we definitely want to SRU it, forcing it is not trivial because of e.g. people doing networkless cdrom upgrades [17:20] bryce: are we doing anything special with the MISC extension? [17:20] is it installed by default or not? [17:20] mvo_: does update-manager already check that all updates are installed before upgradeing? [17:20] asac: $ grep -i misc /var/log/Xorg.0.log [17:20] /usr/share/fonts/X11/misc, [17:20] [ 0.458795] (II) Initializing built-in extension XC-MISC [17:21] asac: so looks like it's built-in to the server [17:23] asac: no, it does not enforce this [17:24] mvo_: it doesnt even check whether system is up-to-date? [17:25] asac: it could easily, but it does not currently [17:25] asac: we do recommend it strongly in the release/upgrade notes [17:25] maybe its time to enforce it [17:26] mvo_: i would think that makes sense. at least for online upgrades [17:26] mvo_: maybe not enforce that -updates is enabled [17:26] but if it is, run the upgrade [17:28] * mvo_ nods [17:28] you guys know compiz is leaking memory, yea? [17:29] Nafallo: obviously, we want to help the economy to sell more memory ... [17:30] well. don't tempt me helping the undertakers... ;-) [17:30] Mem: 3914164k total, 3560988k used, 353176k free, 110504k buffers [17:30] Swap: 4000144k total, 0k used, 4000144k free, 1770028k cached [17:30] also, I can't fit more memory ;-) [17:30] i am one of the major supporters of that approach with firefox ;) [17:31] Nafallo: are you sure its compiz not plain Xorg? [17:31] asac: was that a "yes, distro knows about it"? :-) [17:31] or driver [17:31] I can see the compiz.real process abusing my memory. not sure at all why, and don't know how to debug it. [17:31]