[06:31] <pitti> Good morning
[08:17] <pitti> kenvandine_wk: please don't bother attaching orig.tar.gz's to bug reports; it's already in your PPA (for opal)
[08:46] <chrisccoulson> pitti - did you get your DSL connection sorted?
[08:46] <pitti> chrisccoulson: yes, has worked since Tuesday; me happy ;)
[08:46] <chrisccoulson> thats good to hear:)
[08:46] <chrisccoulson> i get a new DSL connection today (hopefully). i've been completely lost without it for the last week ;)
[08:47] <pitti> that sucks
[08:47] <pitti> chrisccoulson: no 3G or so?
[08:47] <pitti> I'm using my UMTS USB stick when my main internet is down
[08:49] <chrisccoulson> i've been using the 3G connection on my cell phone
[08:49] <chrisccoulson> it's a bit slow though ;)
[08:59] <seb128> good morning there
[08:59]  * seb128 looks at the jaunty-changes unread count, yeah unfrozen!
[08:59]  * pitti hugs seb128, bonjour
[08:59]  * seb128 hugs pitti
[09:00] <pitti> seb128: where's your Jedi student?
[09:00] <seb128> pitti: ^
[09:01]  * pitti hugs robert_ancell
[09:01] <seb128> pitti: apparently he doesn't have the IRC reflex yet ;-)
[09:01] <pitti> robert_ancell: congrats and thanks for your first jaunty uploads!
[09:02] <huats> morning everyone !
[09:02] <huats> hello mister robert_ancell !
[09:02] <pitti> bonjour huats
[09:02] <seb128> lut huats
[09:02] <huats> bonjour pitti
[09:02] <huats> hey seb128 :)
[09:03] <pitti> seb128: recent retracer failure reported as bug 349407 and restarted, so ignore it
[09:03] <seb128> huats: how are you?
[09:03] <seb128> pitti: ok thanks
[09:03] <huats> you have no idea how happy I am to be here with you... the lasts days have been really busy with no internet :(
[09:03] <robert_ancell> hi all!
[09:03] <huats> but now it is better :)
[09:03] <huats> seb128: I am fine then :)
[09:03]  * seb128 hugs huats
[09:03] <huats> thanks !
[09:04] <seb128> good :-)
[09:04] <huats> seb128: how are you ?
[09:04] <seb128> did they send uds invitations yet?
[09:04]  * huats hugs seb128 too
[09:04] <huats> seb128: I don't think so, or neither didrocks or I have been invited :(
[09:04] <seb128> huats: good thanks, spent the week in London and flying back tonight
[09:04] <huats> oh great :)
[09:04] <seb128> huats: they are rather slacking on the sending side
[09:04] <huats> I really love london
[09:05] <huats> seb128: ok
[09:05] <robert_ancell> huats: Hi Christophe!  Didn't know your nick
[09:05] <huats> robert_ancell: I am sure you didn't :)
[09:05] <huats> robert_ancell: but don't worry you'll get use to seen me here ;)
[09:06]  * robert_ancell nick-to-name database is growing in his head
[09:06] <huats> and by the time you wish you don't know my nick
[09:06] <huats> :)
[09:06] <huats> just ask seb128 or pitti they can confirm :)
[09:07] <robert_ancell> huats: seb128 will still get the worst of it as I'm hiding in another timezone :)
[09:07] <huats> :)
[09:27] <crevette> good morning gents
[09:35] <seb128> re
[09:35] <seb128> mvo: did you get bugs about update-manager eatin 100%cpu during installs?
[09:35] <seb128> somebody asked about that on an IRC chan this week and I just got the issue
[09:42] <mvo> seb128: no
[09:42] <mvo> seb128: does it happen all the time?
[09:42] <mvo> seb128: or just for some installs
[09:42]  * mvo tries to reroduce
[09:43] <seb128> mvo: dunno, it happened today
[09:43] <seb128> I didn't notice it before
[09:43] <seb128> and the update was too short to debug it really
[09:52] <seb128> didrocks, Laney: could you try to get bug #317602 moving?
[09:52] <seb128> we got bug #349312 now
[10:04] <Ampelbein> seb128: hi... do you keep a list of desktop-applications still in need of launchpad-integration?
[10:05] <seb128> Ampelbein: hello, no
[10:05] <seb128> baobab needs one in gnome-utils
[10:06] <seb128> f-spot but that's mono and we have no binding for that
[10:06] <pitti> seb128: in hardy, gdm halted the system on its own, while in intrepid we switched to the ConsoleKit D-BUS functions, right?
[10:06] <seb128> pitti: no, gdm didn't change, still calling shutdown directly
[10:06] <pitti> oh, argh
[10:07] <seb128> pitti: gnome-session was using the gdm interface in hardy though
[10:07] <Ampelbein> ok, i'll do a little research myself. i could create a wiki-page based on the desktop-team packages with the status of launchpad-integration, if that's helping?
[10:07] <pitti> seb128: so fusa and gnome-panel still call gdm, not CK?
[10:07] <seb128> pitti: and it's using ck in intrepid
[10:07] <seb128> pitti: no they do call ck
[10:07] <seb128> pitti: you asked about gdm ;-)
[10:07] <mnemo> pitti: right now, i got an update-manager bug that repros consistently but fails to be reported by apport
[10:07] <mvo> seb128: I just tried to reproduce it, no luck
[10:08] <seb128> mvo: ok, I will try to get details if that happens again
[10:08] <seb128> mvo: I get the "do you want to reboot every time" btw and I did reboot
[10:08] <seb128> mvo: I guess that's the bug you fixed yesterday?
[10:08] <mnemo> pitti: actually it looks like a pygtk bug but it's strange that apport fails to report it --> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pygtk/+bug/349467
[10:09] <seb128> ^ I can confirm that
[10:09] <pitti> seb128: okay, thanks
[10:09] <seb128> python2.6 got broken
[10:09] <seb128> go doko go
[10:09] <seb128> mvo: ^
[10:11] <mvo> geh
[10:11] <mvo> *sigh*
[10:11] <james_w> I suspect it is the change to configure args in http://launchpadlibrarian.net/24209669/python2.6_2.6.1-1ubuntu4_2.6.1-1ubuntu5.diff.gz
[10:11] <james_w> doesn't seem to be documented in the changelog though
[10:17] <mvo> seb128: yes, do you have the new version already?
[10:17] <seb128> mvo: yes
[10:18] <seb128> mvo: cf #ubuntu-devel discussion
[10:18] <mvo> seb128: I mean the new update-notifier :) (the other bug you mentioned)
[10:19] <seb128> mvo: oh, I just upgraded this morning
[10:19] <seb128> I have 0.76.6
[10:20] <mvo> seb128: ok, let me know if its still happening after you logged in with the new one
[10:21] <seb128> ok
[10:22] <seb128> pitti: the gdm bug is not really fixed
[10:22] <seb128> pitti: ie if you reboot from the login screen you will get no warning
[10:22] <pitti> right, not in gdm, but from panel and fusa?
[10:23] <pitti> The gdm issue won't be fixed with the current gdm, I figure
[10:24] <seb128> right
[10:40] <seb128> pitti: bug #349437 is a duplicate but I don't remember what is to blame
[10:40] <seb128> pitti: cron had a ck session entry
[10:41] <james_w> libpam-ck-connector
[10:41] <james_w> consolekit
[10:41] <seb128> pitti: we discussed about a such issue some time ago and you reassigned it somewhere ... do you remember what was buggy?
[10:41] <seb128> james_w: thanks
[10:41] <james_w> it's a dupe
[10:41] <seb128> james_w: right what I was saying ;-)
[10:41] <seb128> " is a duplicate but I don't remember what is to blame"
[10:42] <james_w> bug 287715
[10:42] <seb128> james_w: want to close it if you know where the is the other bug?
[10:43] <pitti> seb128: right, james_w beat me to it, thanks
[10:43] <seb128> james_w: thanks
[10:48] <crevette> seb128, I had several requests to install gnome-user-share by default, It make sense to me, but I know the space is limited. what you think about. it has several dependencies like apache2 and obex-dat-server
[10:48] <seb128> crevette: not for jaunty
[10:48] <crevette> I guess :)
[10:49] <seb128> and I'm not sure we want to install apache by default no
[10:49] <crevette> seb128, because of the security risks ?
[10:49] <seb128> because most desktop users don't want a webserver running yes
[10:50] <seb128> no open port by default
[10:50] <crevette> system-wise or user-wise ?
[10:50] <james_w> seb128: rhythmbox is segfaulting for me loading the python plugin, so probably for the same reason, you may see a couple of reports on that today
[10:50] <james_w> though if apport is broken we won't see much fallout from this :-)
[10:51] <pitti> hehe
[10:51] <crevette> for apache2, it would be cool, if it wasn't started by default system-wise and for gnome-user-share we can modify the gconf schema to not enable webdav sharing.
[10:51] <mvo> heh :)
[10:51] <pitti> but we might get those in a bit, when apport-gtk starts working again, and collects all the pending .crash files
[10:56] <mnemo> i got the same thing with totem, it SEGVs in totem_python_module_load()
[11:28] <seb128> mpt: dunno if you are interested but gnome bug #576587 discuss unmount against eject
[11:30] <mpt> thanks seb128
[11:30] <seb128> np, thanks for looking at it ;-)
[11:52] <asac> bryce: you remember these firefox crashes on start because of bad window id bug?
[12:07] <Ampelbein> seb128: looking into the related for "ubuntu desktop bugs", i see the package seahorse-plugins missing. could you subscribe the team to bugmail so that the package gets listed?
[12:08] <seb128> Ampelbein: done
[12:09] <Ampelbein> thanks
[12:24]  * asac lunch
[12:39] <seb128> hey pedro_
[12:39] <pedro_> salut seb128
[12:40] <seb128> pedro_: bug #349467
[12:41] <seb128> pedro_: be aware of this one it might get quite some duplicates today
[12:41] <seb128> pedro_: the fixed binaries will be published soon
[12:41] <seb128> pedro_: but it might take a while for mirrors to get those
[12:43] <pedro_> seb128: ok!, will keep an eye, thanks for letting me know
[12:43] <seb128> you're welcome
[13:35] <rickspencer3> seb128: robert_ancell: how is it going?
[13:47] <asac> pitti: http://paste.ubuntu.com/138961/ ... does that "lost something" like an apport bug?
[13:47] <asac> sound
[13:48] <asac> pitti: if you havent seen something like that i will just suggest to retry
[13:52] <pitti> asac: apparently a glitch in launchpad, sounds like a race condition
[13:52] <pitti> asac: we had that a while ago, but I thought it was fixed now, hmm
[13:53] <asac> pitti: ok i will ask her to retry
[13:53] <asac> if it happens again we can look
[13:54] <seb128> rick's IRC seems to be still crashing
[13:58] <seb128> hey rickspencer3, IRC still crashing?
[13:59] <seb128> rickspencer3: we were at lunch, things are going good
[13:59] <pitti> rickspencer3: FYI, just updated https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/ReleaseStatus; looking better every day :)
[13:59] <seb128> rickspencer3: this need-packaging bug you assigned to robert_ancell that was in reaction of canonical-desktop-team being subscribed?
[14:00] <seb128> rickspencer3: that was an error apparently and I unsubscribed the team some hours ago, not sure if you still want us to look at it
[14:01] <rickspencer3> seb128: sounds like you did look at it :)
[14:01] <rickspencer3> was it tagged with ct-rev?
[14:01]  * rickspencer3 checks
[14:01] <seb128> rickspencer3: no, that was not an escalated bug
[14:01] <seb128> rickspencer3: but a random person who did subscribe teams when he meant to search for teams
[14:02]  * rickspencer3 reads release status
[14:15] <Laney> seb128: Why did we need to package libpst from scratch?
[14:15] <seb128> Laney: we being?
[14:16] <Laney> whoever did this update
[14:16] <rickspencer3> seb128: fyi - I ct-rev'd the shutter bug (I'm a but on auto pilot ;) )
[14:16] <Laney> it's already in Debian and Ubuntu
[14:16] <Laney> hggdh: ^
[14:16] <kenvandine_wk> rickspencer3: see my comments on the gnome-mount bug?
[14:16] <robert_ancell> rickspencer3: Hi
[14:16] <seb128> rickspencer3: ok
[14:16] <rickspencer3> in the future, feel free to just unsubscribe and ct-rev it yourself. I'll see that you did so, and can respond if I think there's a problem
[14:17] <rickspencer3> kenvandine_wk: which?
[14:17] <seb128> Laney: the debian version is a fork of the time where upstream was not actively working
[14:17] <rickspencer3> I was expecting to see more bugs, and more sever bugs, this morning
[14:17] <seb128> Laney: it only builds a binary and no library
[14:17] <seb128> Laney: upstream picked up work again since
[14:18] <seb128> Laney: and they did a proper library and evolution uses that one now
[14:18] <Laney> Is this new upstream completely different?
[14:18] <seb128> Laney: the packaging is basically a switch back to the new upstream version
[14:18] <Laney> I'm just asking why this package isn't based on what we already have
[14:18] <seb128> Laney: it was quicker to redo the packaging
[14:18] <seb128> Laney: the codebase are totally different apparently
[14:19] <kenvandine_wk> rickspencer3: bug 345317
[14:19] <hggdh> Laney, what is the question?
[14:20] <rickspencer3> kenvandine_wk: why would we pop a notification and open a window?
[14:20] <kenvandine_wk> we shouldn't
[14:20] <kenvandine_wk> i was just suggesting this might be something other than gnome-mount specific
[14:20] <kenvandine_wk> maybe we shouldn't notify for disks mounted
[14:20] <rickspencer3> I don't think it's a bug, actually
[14:20] <kenvandine_wk> yeah
[14:21] <Laney> hggdh: Did you work with Debian at all on libpst?
[14:21] <kenvandine_wk> the spec suggests a notification when a usb or firewire device is plugged in
[14:21] <kenvandine_wk> which might be kind of slick
[14:21] <rickspencer3> oh?
[14:21] <hggdh> Laney, I opened a debian bug. Never heard back from them
[14:21] <rickspencer3> I thought it just opened the window, ready to roll
[14:21] <kenvandine_wk> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NotifyOSD#device-detection
[14:21] <kenvandine_wk> rickspencer3: for disks yes
[14:21] <hggdh> which is not entirely surprising, given they were on freeze to publish
[14:21] <kenvandine_wk> it mounts it and opens nautilus
[14:22] <rickspencer3> I see
[14:22] <rickspencer3> so mpt wants bubble (there's a device) ... then proper nautilus action
[14:22] <kenvandine_wk> yeah, a usb device could be something else that won't get mounted
[14:23] <kenvandine_wk> i think it is a wish list item though
[14:23] <kenvandine_wk> and kind of a can of worms
[14:24] <kenvandine_wk> what if you plugin a usb mouse... do we really want to notify of that?
[14:24] <rickspencer3> kenvandine_wk: so it looks like the notification should rip for any device, so it is a valid bug
[14:24] <kenvandine_wk> xorg will just work with it... so you don't really need to know
[14:24] <rickspencer3> I think the priority of "low" is correct
[14:25] <pitti> kenvandine_wk: ah, your ekiga package works wonderfully now, uploading; thanks
[14:25] <kenvandine_wk> the second part of the description is a duplicate of a bug that is fixed already
[14:25] <kenvandine_wk> pitti: great :)
[14:25] <kenvandine_wk> pitti: and it stopped crashing on me too... no idea why :)
[14:25] <rickspencer3> I think the correct fix would be to pop the notification only if the system has not responded in some other way within some time limit (of like 250 ms)
[14:26] <rickspencer3> kenvandine_wk: that seems hard to do properly, so I would advise leaving the bug as low, and perhaps we can pick it up in Karmic
[14:26] <kenvandine_wk> rickspencer3: my thoughts exactly
[14:26] <kenvandine_wk> rickspencer3: mind putting your comments on it?
[14:30] <rickspencer3> kenvandine_wk: done
[14:30] <kenvandine_wk> rickspencer3: thx
[14:34] <bratsche> Hey, anyone here have any Bluetooth hardware that can share files?
[14:34] <bratsche> And who would be willing to test a patch of mine for gnome-user-share?? :)
[14:35] <popey> bratsche: i have a phone that i can browser just fine with gnome
[14:35] <popey> *browse
[14:38] <bratsche> popey: The bug is on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-user-share/+bug/337352
[14:38] <bratsche> Hi mclasen!
[14:38] <bratsche> I didn't know you hang out here. :)
[14:38] <mclasen> hi
[14:39] <mclasen> I'm everywhere
[14:43] <Chipaca> asac: hi
[14:46] <Chipaca> asac: so, where were we?
[14:47] <popey> pitti: you asked for responses to bug 348940
[14:48] <popey> pitti: unfortunately adding the gnome pilot app to the panel results in it running (I can see gpilotd and gpilot-applet in ps -ef) but no icon in the panel.. can someone else confirm this - no palm device is needed to do this
[14:49] <chrisccoulson> bratsche - i have BT hardware that can share files. I'll test your patch for you
[14:49] <popey> pitti: sync works, in that i can press the sync button on my pda and i get a popup sync window on the laptop, but i cant configure it because the icon is missing
[14:49] <bratsche> chrisccoulson: That would be awesome, thanks very much!
[14:50] <chrisccoulson> you're welcome
[14:50] <asac> Chipaca: font config bitmap fonts
[14:50] <bratsche> chrisccoulson: If you do see this dialog that I wrote, can you take a screenshot of it as well?  There might be minor tweaks I need to do to it.  But mostly I want to know if it shows up and basically works right. :)
[14:50] <Chipaca> asac: and dpkg-reconfigre fontconfig-config still showing the bitmapped fonts question, to no effect
[14:50] <asac> Chipaca: what is your use case for using that font?
[14:51] <pitti> popey: I can't add it to the panel, since that first brings up the configuration wizard/dialog
[14:51] <chrisccoulson> i can do that. i just tested the current version (without the patch), and i see the fallback dialog, which I think is expected isn't it?
[14:51] <Chipaca> asac: I use it in gnome terminal, emacs, and pidgin; it's the most readable fixed-width font I've found
[14:51] <pitti> popey: and if I select the defaults there, it (rightfully) complains about "no such device"
[14:51] <popey> pitti: i didnt think the configuration was compulsory
[14:52] <Chipaca> asac: where "readable" means "I can tell at a glance what is an I, a 1, an l, and a |", amongst other things
[14:52] <pitti> popey: right, applet is running, but not showing anything
[14:52] <popey> pitti: shall i file a bug?
[14:52] <pitti> popey: does that still work with the current jaunty version (2.0.15)?
[14:53] <pitti> popey: please do, and link it from the "2.0.17 upgrade" bug
[14:53] <popey> pitti: i got this problem before i updated to 2.0.17
[14:53] <pitti> to keep a collection of feedback on it
[14:53] <popey> so yes, it happens with 2.0.15 too
[14:53] <seb128> the current jaunty version has the same issue
[14:53] <pitti> popey: right, so it's not a regression
[14:53] <pitti> so there really shoudl be an existing bug report already
[14:54] <popey> my memory fails, I cant recall if i have used this okay in jaunty at all
[14:56] <popey> pitti: seb128 bug 349650, if you need more info, let me know
[14:56] <kenvandine_wk> update-manager tells me i must reboot... /me obeys the master
[14:58] <pitti> popey: can you please mention the testing done on bug 348940?
[15:02] <popey> pitti: sure
[15:02] <pitti> popey: thanks
[15:03] <Chipaca> asac: does that count as a use case?
[15:05] <chrisccoulson> bratsche - i'm still seeing the fallback notification with your patch
[15:06] <bratsche> chrisccoulson: You're not using the patch at the top right?  You're using the one later down the page?
[15:07] <chrisccoulson> the one titled "Small update" on the bug report
[15:07] <kenvandine_wk> Take 2?
[15:07] <bratsche> kenvandine_wk: Different bug.
[15:07] <kenvandine_wk> oh
[15:07] <kenvandine_wk> hehe
[15:07] <kenvandine_wk> ok
[15:07] <kenvandine_wk> :)
[15:08] <asac> Chipaca: yes thanks. i need to understand why we saw a regression that required the no-bitmaps things now
[15:08] <bratsche> chrisccoulson: Oh shit!  Can you make a small one-line change and try again?
[15:08] <chrisccoulson> yep
[15:09] <bratsche> chrisccoulson: Line 195 of obexpush.c
[15:09] <bratsche> Change from if (supports_actions)
[15:09] <bratsche> to if (supports_actions ())
[15:09] <bratsche> haha
[15:09] <Chipaca> asac: as I said, I don't see it as a regression (or rather, I didn't experience it as a regression); I've always had to do a dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig-config to enable bitmapped fonts to get the jmk fonts by default
[15:09] <chrisccoulson> that should probably do it ;)
[15:09] <chrisccoulson> i'll rebuild and try again
[15:09] <bratsche> chrisccoulson: d'oh :)
[15:09] <chrisccoulson> hehe
[15:10] <Chipaca> asac: the regression, to me, was rather that dpgk-reconfigure fontconfig-config stopped working (without the option disappearing, which would've pointed me at /etc/fonts faster than otherwise)
[15:10] <asac> Chipaca: yeah. that a cleanup thing. the debconf stuff isnt in the package anymore
[15:10] <asac> Chipaca: can you file bug?
[15:11] <Chipaca> asac: no, sorry
[15:11] <Chipaca> asac: :-P of course!
[15:11] <asac> hehe
[15:11] <asac> thanks
[15:17] <chrisccoulson> bratsche - that works ok now. I attached a screenshot to the bug report
[15:17] <bratsche> chrisccoulson: Nice, thanks!
[15:18] <chrisccoulson> the title bar could probably use an icon though
[15:20] <bratsche> chrisccoulson: Did you try to do Open or Reveal and see if they still work right?
[15:21] <chrisccoulson> i'll try that in a second. also, the dialog appears on top of all the other windows
[15:21] <bratsche> Oh yeah.. that's right.  I'll fix that now.
[15:21] <chrisccoulson> thanks :)
[15:22] <chrisccoulson> bratsche - the buttons work ok too
[15:23] <chrisccoulson> although the naming confuses me slightly. i expected "Open" to open the file I just sent, but it actually opens the folder it was sent to. "Reveal" opens the file
[15:24] <crevette> this is inverted
[15:24] <crevette> chrisccoulson, actually reveal should pen the folder and open, shuld open the file
[15:24] <chrisccoulson> it seems to be the other way around ;)
[15:25] <crevette> chrisccoulson, I know the upstream code, I didi it
[15:25] <bratsche> Did I mess something up?
[15:25] <chrisccoulson> it seems you got them swapped round in the case statement bratsche
[15:27] <seb128> robert_ancell:
[15:27] <seb128> http://download.gnome.org/sources/libunique/1.0/libunique-1.0.8.tar.gz
[15:27] <bratsche> chrisccoulson, crevette: Thanks.. fixed and posted a new patch.
[15:36] <seb128> robert_ancell: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Recipes/CheckingLibrarySymbols
[15:52] <chrisccoulson> bratsche - i tested your revised patch
[15:52] <chrisccoulson> the actions work correctly now, but the dialog still appears in front of the other windows though
[15:52] <chrisccoulson> that might be a wm bug though
[15:52] <bratsche> Hmm, weird.. I set focus_on_map = FALSE
[15:53] <chrisccoulson> i modified it slightly too by adding a gtk_window_set_icon_name, to give the dialog an icon
[15:53] <bratsche> Great
[15:53] <bratsche> Feel free to attach your diff there if you'd like.. or did you make a bzr branch?
[15:55] <chrisccoulson> it's just a diff. i can attach that there now
[16:04] <asac> mvo_: i think we have a potential fix for the NM upgrade crashes and maybe even reconnects
[16:05] <asac> mvo_: we would need to force a SRU fix on intrepid side before though ... is that something we can hint in update-manager?
[16:12] <chrisccoulson> anyone using dmraid in here?
[16:24] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - bug 347005 - are you using the human icon theme?
[16:28] <seb128> chrisccoulson: yes
[16:29] <chrisccoulson> the dialog seems to behave the same as pavucontrol, where it displays a generic icon depending on the input stream, as opposed to showing the application icon
[16:29] <chrisccoulson> it seems that human is missing those icons
[16:29] <chrisccoulson> the theme i'm using has those icons, which is why i don't see it
[16:30] <seb128> chrisccoulson: ok, shouldn't it fallback to gnome or hicolor
[16:30] <seb128> or those doesn't have the icon either?
[16:31] <chrisccoulson> it seems they don't provide it either. perhaps gnome-media should ship a fallback in hicolor
[16:32] <seb128> right
[16:32] <chrisccoulson> it seems the icon name comes from pulseaudio
[16:38] <dobey> bah
[16:39] <dobey> oh, that icon
[16:39] <cj> any of you folks seen an intrepid .vhd floating around anywhere?
[16:39] <dobey> what icon name is it looking for?
[16:39] <dobey> the rhythmbox app icon should be in hicolor
[16:40] <chrisccoulson> good question dobey. the icon name comes from PA_PROP_MEDIA_ICON_NAME
[16:40] <chrisccoulson> i'm testing a patch that prefers the applications own icon
[16:48] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - i think that gnome-media bug is actually a theme problem. i'm just looking at the pulseuadio documentation, and the icon name should be the mimetype icons, with an example icon name "audio-x-mp3"
[16:48] <chrisccoulson> it looks easy to make it choose the window icon name though, if you would prefer that
[16:49] <seb128> right
[16:49] <seb128> have to go
[16:49] <seb128> bbl
[16:59] <asac> actually something bad happend to my top gnome panel today
[16:59] <asac> its not at the top anymore
[16:59] <asac> but on the bottom
[17:00] <asac> anyone seen this?
[17:00] <asac> also the preferences dialog doesnt help
[17:00] <asac> it always goes back to "bottom"
[17:02] <rickspencer3> asac: perhaps gravity is stronger around your monitor, like some kind of black hole is pulling the panel down?
[17:02] <rickspencer3> or maybe the adhesive for the panel is defective?
[17:05] <asac> haha
[17:06] <asac> for a moment i thought i opted into a UI design experiment or something as my top panel now overlays my "auto hiding" bottom panel :)
[17:10] <mvo_> asac: re network-manager - we can enforce the update, not sure if its worth it though
[17:16] <asac> mvo_: well. its a crash of Network during upgrade
[17:16] <asac> thats bad user experience
[17:16] <asac> if its not hard to add the hook lets check if the patch fixes it and make a SRU
[17:16] <asac> if you force it or not is your decision ;)
[17:17] <bryce> asac: vaguely...
[17:19] <mvo_> asac: right, I think we definitely want to SRU it, forcing it is not trivial because of e.g. people doing networkless cdrom upgrades
[17:20] <asac> bryce: are we doing anything special with the MISC extension?
[17:20] <asac> is it installed by default or not?
[17:20] <asac> mvo_: does update-manager already check that all updates are installed before upgradeing?
[17:20] <bryce> asac: $ grep -i misc /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[17:20] <bryce> 	/usr/share/fonts/X11/misc,
[17:20] <bryce> [    0.458795] (II) Initializing built-in extension XC-MISC
[17:21] <bryce> asac: so looks like it's built-in to the server
[17:23] <mvo_> asac: no, it does not enforce this
[17:24] <asac> mvo_: it doesnt even check whether system is up-to-date?
[17:25] <mvo_> asac: it could easily, but it does not currently
[17:25] <mvo_> asac: we do recommend it strongly in the release/upgrade notes
[17:25] <mvo_> maybe its time to enforce it
[17:26] <asac> mvo_: i would think that makes sense. at least for online upgrades
[17:26] <asac> mvo_: maybe not enforce that -updates is enabled
[17:26] <asac> but if it is, run the upgrade
[17:28]  * mvo_ nods
[17:28] <Nafallo> you guys know compiz is leaking memory, yea?
[17:29] <asac> Nafallo: obviously, we want to help the economy to sell more memory ...
[17:30] <Nafallo> well. don't tempt me helping the undertakers... ;-)
[17:30] <Nafallo> Mem:   3914164k total,  3560988k used,   353176k free,   110504k buffers
[17:30] <Nafallo> Swap:  4000144k total,        0k used,  4000144k free,  1770028k cached
[17:30] <Nafallo> also, I can't fit more memory ;-)
[17:30] <asac> i am one of the major supporters of that approach with firefox ;)
[17:31] <asac> Nafallo: are you sure its compiz not plain Xorg?
[17:31] <Nafallo> asac: was that a "yes, distro knows about it"? :-)
[17:31] <asac> or driver
[17:31] <Nafallo> I can see the compiz.real process abusing my memory. not sure at all why, and don't know how to debug it.
[17:31] <Nafallo> 880m 276m 8940 S    1  7.2   3:24.23 compiz.real
[17:32] <Nafallo> yesterday it was using over 3G VIRT :-P
[17:32] <pitti> good bye everyone, have a nice weekend
[17:32] <asac> pitti: enjoy
[17:32] <Nafallo> pitti: see you soon :-)
[17:33] <Nafallo> 3100m 582m 3708 S    1 15.2  21:51.97 compiz.real <-- yesterday
[17:33] <asac>  8716 asac      20   0 27620  18m 6488 S    0  0.9   1:06.44 compiz.real
[17:33] <asac> mine is kind of tiny
[17:33] <Nafallo> asac: x86_64?
[17:33] <asac> no
[17:33] <asac> 32bit
[17:33] <Nafallo> I'm on x86_64
[17:33] <Nafallo> hmm
[17:33] <asac> compiz still doesnt work on my officiall supported ATI card ;)
[17:35] <asac> Nafallo: i booted today like 10 hours ago or so
[17:36] <asac> your thing was on CPU for 20 hours more ;)
[17:36] <Nafallo> up  9:04
[17:36] <asac> hmm
[17:36] <asac> odd
[17:36] <Nafallo> compiz with "extra" :-)
[17:36] <asac> minutes i guess ;)
[18:00] <bratsche> Is update-manager still the module that does the update stuff?  The UI is totally different so I'm not sure if I'm even using the same thing.
[18:28] <asac> bryce: update-manager is it
[18:28] <asac> bratsche: ^^
[18:29] <asac> what do you mean by "its different"?
[18:30] <bratsche> Nevermind.. it was update-notifier.
[18:31] <bratsche> I just wanted to file a small bug.. the download dialog has "Cancel" and "Close" buttons, and both are using the "_C" keyboard accelerator.
[18:58] <mvo_> bratsche: it has cancel and close? could you make a screenshot, I'm not sure where at the moment
[18:59] <bratsche> mvo_: Sure..
[19:00] <bratsche> http://www.gnome.org/~bratsche/update-manager.png
[19:00] <bratsche> mvo_: ^^
[19:00] <mvo_> thanks
[19:00] <mvo_> that is kde, right?
[19:00] <bratsche> No
[19:00] <mvo_> packagekit?
[19:01] <mvo_> sorry, that is not update-manager, but something else
[19:01] <bratsche> Oh, is that packagekit?
[19:01] <bratsche> My mistake.
[19:02] <mvo_> np
[19:07] <Laney> hggdh: How do I test libpst?
[19:08] <hggdh> Laney, you can run readpst against an Outlook PST file; to test it with Evolution we need Evo rebuilt with my patches
[19:09] <Laney> right. Then evo will detect the presence of libpst and offer to import from it?
[19:10] <hggdh> yes. The way upstream did it, libpst (actually, libpst-dev) must be available at build time
[19:10] <Laney> uhm
[19:10] <hggdh> Laney, you can get a sample PST (if you do not have one) here: http://www.nabble.com/attachment/21537232/0/chris.pst
[19:10] <Laney> so libpst will need to be in main?
[19:10] <Laney> (thanks)
[19:10] <hggdh> I think so. My original idea was to get it first approved, then add in a MIR for it.
[19:12] <Laney> right, well that's a separate step
[19:12] <hggdh> that's what I thought,, yes
[19:32] <Laney> hggdh: Where did you get the "any later version" from for the copyright file?
[19:32] <Laney> I can see one file that specifies that but the rest don't say
[19:38] <hggdh> yes, it sucks.
[19:39] <Laney> so we can't assume that
[19:39] <Laney> I'm going to change it, ok?
[19:39] <hggdh> Laney, I got it from upstream as they had it. I then compared the licences with the original Debian package, and they pretty much said the same
[19:39] <Laney> Debian doesn't have the any later versions bit
[19:40] <hggdh> also, upstream told me they have been trying to contact the original coders, but they are nowhere to be found
[19:40] <hggdh> I did not know what to do, so I left it the way it was
[19:41] <hggdh> well, Debian is code-based on a 200-few release... no developments since they split
[19:42] <hggdh> Laney, of course you can change it
[19:42] <Laney> If it doesn't explicitly allow the relicensing for later versions then you can't assume it
[19:42] <Laney> (AIUI)
[19:42] <hggdh> I agree. I did not know what to do, so I left it
[19:44] <hggdh> (please keep in mind that this was my first-packaging-from-scratch ever... I expected I would do something wrong...)
[19:45] <Laney> it's fine, these are minor
[19:52] <MacSlow> pitti, I'll do the tarball release now ... had to wait for some commits from dbarth
[20:00] <Laney> hggdh: OK uploading
[20:01] <Laney> I also removed the conflicts and changed the priorities to optional fyi
[20:07] <hggdh> Laney, what conflicts?
[20:08] <hggdh> and, for the priority... I did not know what to put there...
[20:11] <Laney> hggdh: You had conflicts on earlier versions of the package
[20:11] <Laney> which is a bit pointless
[20:11] <Laney> and "optional" is a standard priority
[20:12] <Laney> uploaded now anyhow
[20:13] <hggdh> ah, OK. I really do not know what I was thinking (if at all) when I conflicted against itself :-(
[20:16] <Laney> guh I wrote extra instead of optional in the changelog
[20:16] <Laney> oh well
[20:18] <Laney> thanks for your work!
[20:22] <hggdh> :-) Laney, thank you, my pleasure. (I actually feel not so bad on my mistakes, given you also had one ;-)
[20:22] <Laney> :(
[20:22] <hggdh> Laney, a question: should I go ahead and open a MIR for it?
[20:22] <Laney> you better speak to seb about that
[20:22] <hggdh> roger, wico
[20:22] <hggdh> wilco
[20:22] <hggdh> ah
[20:22] <hggdh> I also have a debdiff for Evolution to work with libpst
[20:23] <hggdh> what should be done with that?
[20:23] <Laney> needs libpst to be in main too
[20:23] <Laney> first*
[20:23] <hggdh> k
[20:24] <hggdh> thank you for your time on that
[20:24] <Laney> no worries
[20:24] <Laney> the binaries will need releasing from NEW too
[20:29] <hggdh> sorry, Laney, I do not understand what you meant above
[20:29] <Laney> because you created new packages
[20:29] <Laney> they need to be manually reviewed
[20:29] <hggdh> ah, OK
[20:56] <Laney> uh, nice crash
[20:56] <Laney> Someone want to try and repro this: switch to an empty workspace (no windows) and hit alt-tab
[20:56] <Laney> I'm running metacity + metacity compositor, don't know who's to blame
[21:00] <chrisccoulson> i can't confirm your crash Laney
[21:00] <Laney> ok
[21:01] <Laney> I installed symbols
[21:01] <chrisccoulson> is it metacity crashing (I missed that bit of the conversation)
[21:01] <Laney> will get a trace in a sec
[21:01] <Laney> yes
[21:01] <chrisccoulson> i just tried it on the guest account with metacity+compositing and couldn't recreate it
[21:02] <chrisccoulson> i'm being asked to reboot but i don't think i dare!
[21:15] <chrisccoulson> can anyone think why the gnome-volume-control-pulse binary package from gnome-media wouldn't get stripped to produce a gnome-volume-control-pulse-dbgsym package, when all of gnome-media's other packages were stripped?
[21:16] <chrisccoulson> well, it's been stripped, but no extra package created
[21:18] <Laney> ffs
[21:18] <chrisccoulson> ?
[21:18] <Laney> now apport doesn't come up
[21:18] <Amaranth> chrisccoulson: The dbdsym package is supposed to be generated automatically by that ddebs repo
[21:18] <chrisccoulson> Amaranth - thanks:)
[21:19] <chrisccoulson> i'm trying to build it locally in pbuilder now with pkg-create-dbgsym as an extra build dependency to see if it creates the dbgsym package here
[21:19] <Laney> this is also a fun bug that I just found
[21:19] <Laney> move gnome-terminal under the top panel
[21:19] <Laney> so you can still see part of it
[21:19] <Laney> and try and resize from the bottom
[21:20] <chrisccoulson> i can't get gnome-terminal to even go under the top panel;)
[21:20] <chrisccoulson> that's with trying to drag it whilst holding down the alt key
[21:20] <Laney> does for me :O
[21:21] <chrisccoulson> Amaranth - it builds the dbgsym package locally here, so it probably hasn't made it in to the ddebs repo yet, because it's a new binary package
[21:21] <chrisccoulson> yay:D
[21:21] <chrisccoulson> Laney - i'll try with metacity in a sec;)
[21:22] <Laney> cool
[21:22] <chrisccoulson> tut tut - these inferior window managers causing all this strange behaviour;)
[21:22] <chrisccoulson> lol
[21:22] <Laney> what are you on?
[21:22] <Laney> xmonad?!
[21:23] <chrisccoulson> it's a secret;)
[21:23] <chrisccoulson> i can get the terminal to go under the top panel with metacity
[21:23] <chrisccoulson> what problem were you seeing?
[21:24] <Laney> click on the bottom border
[21:24] <Laney> as if you were to resize
[21:24] <chrisccoulson> i see - the titlebar context menu appears and it won't resize
[21:24] <Laney> yep
[21:25] <chrisccoulson> that's probably a metacity bug then ;)
[21:25] <Laney> sure is
[21:25] <Laney> shall report it soon
[21:59] <Laney> chrisccoulson: bug 349925 - fun crash!
[21:59] <chrisccoulson> i can't access it yet;)
[21:59] <chrisccoulson> did you only just submit it?
[21:59] <Laney> oh
[22:00] <Laney> yeah, let me make it public
[22:00] <Laney> thought you had powers
[22:00] <chrisccoulson> i think it takes a few minutes for all the right teams to be subscribed
[22:00] <chrisccoulson> i can normally view private reports
[22:01] <Laney> ah well
[22:01] <Laney> it's not that interesting ;)
[22:01]  * Laney files the other metacity one
[22:22] <Laney> hmm
[22:23] <Laney> Why no metacity 2.26 yet?
[22:28] <chrisccoulson> Laney - i can see your metacity bug now ;)
[22:28] <Laney> woop woop
[22:28] <Laney> just upstreamed the other one
[22:28] <Laney> shall do this now
[22:29] <chrisccoulson> it must just take a little while for the ubuntu-crashes-universe team to be subscribed
[22:29] <Laney> which lets other people see it?
[22:29] <Laney> members of that team, I guess
[22:30] <chrisccoulson> yeah, there are lots of teams that are a member of that team i think