[11:53] <davmor2> lool: I've been thinking about what sabdfl was saying about the installer not being obvious.  Is there not a way to make it's icon larger than the others, so it's more obvious?
[11:54] <lool> davmor2: Not that I know of, this would need a new feature; you should bring it up with UNR folks
[11:54] <lool> njpatel: ^
[11:54] <lool> StevenK: ^
[11:54] <lool> bfiller isn't around yet (too early on east coast)
[11:55] <njpatel> lool: davmor2: yes, that would be a new feature
[11:56] <njpatel> (and not an easy one atm)
[11:56] <davmor2> njpatel: Just thinking out aloud 
[11:56] <gywst> any ubuntu netbook docs for n00bs?
[11:57] <njpatel> davmor2: sure, and it's appreciated :) 
[11:58] <davmor2> njpatel: out of interest why do you have xournal and gedit in unr.  xournal I'm guessing is a touch screen app which doesn't work with a touch pad so kinda make it useless on netbooks
[11:59] <lool> njpatel: What about the Quit... entry?  I know it isn't there in UNR 1, but it would seem like a nice place to hook install   O:-)
[11:59] <davmor2> only spoted post beta
[11:59] <lool> err s/UNR 1/UNR +1
[12:00] <lool> gywst: What topic?  check help.ubuntu.com perhaps?
[12:00] <davmor2> lool: have the whole of the top bar as install :)
[12:00] <njpatel> lool: do you mean above the quit.. button?
[12:01] <njpatel> lool:  can the live-cd have a different gconf set-up than the normal install?
[12:01] <njpatel> (i may have a crafty plan)
[12:04] <persia> njpatel, It certainly can.  The fact that "Install" appears in Favorites at all is part of the live CD hacks.
[12:04] <lool> njpatel: yes
[12:04] <lool> The only thing I fear is UI freeze
[12:06] <davmor2> lool: If it makes it more obvious on how to install I'm sure it will get granted all be it kickin' and screamin'
[14:38] <lool> njpatel: Any idea why update-manager isn't maximized?  wrong window type?
[14:38] <lool> njpatel: Cause after alt-F10 it looks decent
[14:38] <lool> even on a tiny screen
[14:39] <njpatel> lool: it's probably in maximus's exception list
[14:39] <lool> njpatel: Ok; it's not along totem and cheese in the gconf overrides though
[14:39] <njpatel> lool: maximus has an in-built exception list 
[14:39] <lool> Aha
[14:39] <njpatel> lool: which probably needs to be transferred to gconf
[14:39] <njpatel> :-/
[14:40] <njpatel> it worked for oem, but I think we get bitten by it in normal installs
[14:40] <lool> njpatel: If you can quickly confirm that this exception isn't needed anymore, or if there's another reason to blacklist it that I should now about, I'm happy to hear
[14:40] <lool> normal installs?
[14:40] <njpatel> normal installs != intrepid/jaunty installs
[14:40] <njpatel> oem images
[14:40] <njpatel> lool: does update-manager look/work okay when maximised?
[14:43] <njpatel> lool: I think I should make a default_exceptions gconf key which has those apps in the maximus schema, and then users at least have the option to remove those apps that they want maximised
[14:44] <njpatel> the current way sucks for users
[15:06] <lool> njpatel: sorry was in meeting
[15:07] <njpatel> np 
[15:07] <lool> njpatel: update-manager looks ok when maximized here, perhaps it's best if you confirm yourself though
[15:07] <lool> njpatel: nothing urgent however
[15:07] <lool> njpatel: it's just that your eye is trained to what could go wrong  ;-)
[15:07] <njpatel> will do :)
[15:08] <lool> njpatel: I think gconf keys are nice for customizations like OEM versus Ubuntu, but we should avoid a plethora of keys for end users
[15:08] <lool> But in this case it sounds good to have one
[15:08] <njpatel> lool: i agree, but I think it works for this issue
[15:08] <lool> Yeah
[15:09] <njpatel> cool, I'll add it to my todo list
[15:11] <lool> njpatel: thanks a lot
[15:16] <njpatel> np, and btw, thanks for the triaging help on the UNR bugs, it's appreciated 
[15:17] <lool> Oh I'm not really triaging, just giving a hand on issues I can solve quickly / easily
[15:18] <njpatel> either way, it helps me out :)
[15:34] <lool> njpatel: apw's kernel fixes the eeepc slowness for me
[15:34] <lool> plars: ^
[15:36] <plars> lool: cool
[15:36] <njpatel> lool: awesome, I was going to try it out later on today too
[15:36] <plars> lool: I thought I just saw a post in that bug from someone else saying it didn't work though
[15:37] <plars> lool: I may have misread it though... just caught a quick glance from email while I was working on something else
[15:51] <lool> plars: That other person mentions improvement but has to disable a specific feature which I don't about