[03:21] <LjL> keep an eye on sandsmark if anyone's around - archlinux idiot
[03:38] <mrwes> since when can't someone get serious help in #ubuntu-server?
[03:41] <mrwes> I'm asking simple questions about clamav and this is the kind of answers I get?
 mrwes: because it sucks
 mrwes, seriously you can't update clamav enough to protect you from the stupidity of windows users
 mrwes, so updating the datafiles 24hours a day is excessive to most of us
 perhaps it's not enough for you
 mrwes, buy some macs
 twb: so why the smart ass comments then?
 :)
 mrwes: because I'm a smartass.
 blah
 And I'm bloody bored
[04:27] <Flannel> mmmm
[04:27] <stdin> umm-k
[04:43] <tritium> Flannel: another foul nick in there tonight
[04:44] <Flannel> hmm?
[04:44] <Flannel> Oh, yes.
[04:44] <Flannel> I'll talk to him about it
[04:44] <Flannel> He's offtopic too!
[04:47] <tritium> yes.
[04:48] <Flannel> And... not paying attention to me, it seems.
[04:48] <tritium> hmm
[04:49] <Flannel> I told him, lets see if he responds now.
[04:49] <Flannel> If not, removal time.
[04:49] <tritium> ok
[04:50] <Flannel> Interesting.
[04:50] <Flannel> Maybe he doesn't know how to change his nick.
[04:51] <Flannel> Taken care of, at any rate.
[04:51] <tritium> how so?
[04:52] <tritium> Ah, he quit.
[04:52] <Flannel> He... disconnected and then reconnected under a different nick.
[05:21] <Flannel> stay on topic....
[05:21] <Flannel> stay on topic....
[06:01] <tritium> Good night.
[06:18] <bazhang> * [Crismusg] (n=Casperfo@host-static-92-115-23-181.moldtelecom.md): Petrm  latest ban evasion from 'cristi' (re-banned)
[06:35] <bazhang> * [dingding] (n=prince@host-static-92-115-23-116.moldtelecom.md): Groza   :/
[06:35] <bazhang> any solution then just keep kb?
[06:42] <stdin> ban *!*@host-static-92-115-23-*.moldtelecom.md ?
[06:56] <bazhang> dingding, you are ban evading multiple times
[06:56] <dingding> hello i was a bad boy and i got banned what i must do unban ?
[06:56] <bazhang> cristi, crismusg cristi_ amongst others
[06:56] <dingding> ok i`m sorry i tried to get help
[06:56] <bazhang> dingding, you ban evaded many times after the initial ban
[06:57] <dingding> im sorry
[06:57] <bazhang> dingding, you will NOT be unbanned at this time.
[06:57] <dingding> i`m guilty for everything
[06:57] <bazhang> dingding, and please stop ban evading.
[06:57] <dingding> waht is ban evading?
[06:57] <bazhang> dingding, you are well aware you are banned.
[06:58] <bazhang> dingding, then you change your name and IP address to get back in.
[06:58] <dingding> i need the help
[06:58] <dingding> i know what i have done
[06:58] <dingding> and im sorry
[06:59] <bazhang> you should have thought of that before you initially spammed the channel and were banned.
[06:59] <bazhang> 'how can I ruin my system?' repeatedly
[06:59] <dingding> that was my brother and i take full responsability
[07:00] <bazhang> dingding, you are not interested in getting help, only disrupting the channel.
[07:00] <dingding> i can assure that interested in getting help
[07:01] <dingding> how can i get unbanned?
[07:02] <bazhang> !coc | dingding 
[07:02] <bazhang> !guidelines | dingding 
[07:02] <bazhang> dingding, read those.
[07:02] <dingding> ok thanks
[07:09] <dingding> i read those
[07:09] <dingding> bazhang:i read those
[07:09] <bazhang> dingding, its not so simple.
[07:09] <dingding> ooh
[07:10] <bazhang> dingding, you have repeatedly ban-evaded as well as the bad behaviour
[07:10] <dingding> yes i did what ever ban-evad means
[07:10] <bazhang> dingding, and you have shown no reason to unban you.
[07:10] <bazhang> dingding, you claim it was your brother, when clearly it was not.
[07:10] <dingding> how can i make a reason to unnban me?
[07:10] <dingding> it was my brother
[07:11] <dingding> but i cant prove that
[07:11] <bazhang> dingding, every time you have ban in the channel you have been disruptive
[07:11] <dingding> ok
[07:11] <bazhang> dingding, that is not seeking help.
[07:11] <dingding> fine
[07:11] <bazhang> dingding, that is taking over the channel for fun (or whatever you are thinking)
[07:12] <dingding> for fun?
[07:12] <dingding> that is not true
[07:12] <dingding> what fun is in get banned?
[07:12] <bazhang> dingding, why would you type 'how can I ruin my system?' many times
[07:13] <dingding> because i wanted to change from ubuntu to fedora an i repeated it two or three times
[07:13] <bazhang> more than 3 times.
[07:13] <dingding> ok four
[07:14] <dingding> :-?
[07:16] <bazhang> dingding, 14.
[07:16] <dingding> waht?
[07:16] <dingding> 14
[07:16] <dingding> ?
[07:16] <bazhang> yes.
[07:16] <dingding> oh my dear
[07:16] <dingding> i did not realized !! :-((
[07:16] <bazhang> you were asked to stop repeatedly, and ignored, even after being removed you rejoined and started again.
[07:17] <bazhang> then you began ban-evading (changing your name and internet address)
[07:17] <dingding> sorry but i sometimes dont read everything
[07:18] <bazhang> dingding, then you are not ready to join a busy channel like #ubuntu .
[07:18] <dingding> im ready because i learned my lesson!
[07:18] <bazhang> dingding, ban evasion is against freenode policy, by the way.
[07:18] <bazhang> dingding, so continuing to do that is not a wise choice.
[07:18] <dingding> what is ban evasion
[07:19] <dingding> im a romanian
[07:19] <dingding> i dont know this word
[07:19] <bazhang> cristi -->cristi_--->crismusg-->dingding-->etc
[07:19] <dingding> ooh this is ban evasion -changing my names?
[07:19] <bazhang> change your ip address very slightly too.
[07:20] <dingding> ok
[07:20] <bazhang> dingding, please dont play like you dont understand.
[07:20] <dingding> i know that now
[07:20] <dingding> i didn`t know that changing my ip and names is illegal
[07:20] <bazhang> dingding, you were able to disrupt the channel in perfectly good English before.
[07:21] <dingding> that because i am the first in my class at english
[07:21] <bazhang> dingding, if you are doing it to avoid a ban on a channel, it is against freenode policy
[07:21] <dingding> but im not Einstein 
[07:21] <dingding> im not doing to avoid ban
[07:22] <bazhang> dingding, you should pose help questions to ubuntuforums
[07:22] <dingding> that is not fast
[07:22] <bazhang> dingding, as you have only been disruptive in #ubuntu
[07:22] <dingding> i will not be distruptive anymore
[07:22] <dingding> i promise
[07:23] <dingding> if you catch me again you will ban me forever
[07:23] <bazhang> catch you again?
[07:23] <dingding> if i break the rules again 
[07:23] <bazhang> dingding, you are not unbanned as of now
[07:23] <dingding> i know that
[07:23] <bazhang> dingding, please read carefully (NOT)
[07:24] <bazhang> dingding, so what do you mean by 'again'?
[07:24] <dingding> i braked once
[07:24] <bazhang> dingding, no, many times.
[07:24] <dingding> so if i do that one more time is again
[07:24] <dingding> ok many times
[07:24] <bazhang> dingding, you plan on continuing to ban evade?
[07:24] <dingding> no
[07:25] <bazhang> dingding, then what do you mean by 'if you catch me again'?
[07:26] <dingding> i mean if i do that again
[07:26] <bazhang> ban evade?
[07:26] <dingding> it does not mean that i do it once more
[07:26] <bazhang> dingding, do what
[07:26] <dingding> i dont ban evade now
[07:26] <bazhang> dingding, ban evade?
[07:26] <dingding> yes ban evade
[07:28] <dingding> it means that i will not ban evade once more
[07:28] <bazhang> dingding> if you catch me again you will ban me forever
[07:28] <bazhang> dingding, you are going to try again?
[07:28] <dingding> if i do it once more you will ban me forever
[07:28] <bazhang> dingding, that is against freenode policy, and not for me to decide.
[07:28] <bazhang> dingding, but yes you will be re-banned under your new name if you try to ban evade in #ubuntu
[07:28] <dingding> what is against the policy -to say sorry?
[07:28] <bazhang> dingding, policy = rules
[07:28] <dingding> my name will not be changed anymore
[07:29] <bazhang> dingding, why not get help in #ubuntu-ro
[07:29] <bazhang> Daca doriti ajutor sau doriti sa discutati despre Ubuntu/Kubuntu/Xubuntu, intrati pe #ubuntu-ro
[07:29] <dingding> there is no one able to help me
[07:29] <dingding> you know romanian?
[07:29] <dingding> i tried several times
[07:30] <bazhang> well dingding you are clearly not able to behave in #ubuntu .
[07:30] <dingding> give me one chance
[07:30] <bazhang> dingding, no.
[07:30] <dingding> the only one in you life
[07:30] <bazhang> dingding, you have had many chances already
[07:30] <dingding> no
[07:30] <bazhang> dingding, at least 6 times you have ban-evaded.
[07:31] <dingding> ok i dont even understand the ban-evade thing so i can not tell you how many times i did it
[07:31] <bazhang> dingding, you will NOT be unbanned at this time.
[07:32] <dingding> but when?
[07:32] <bazhang> dingding, when you have shown you are ready to tell the truth, and be responsible for your actions.
[07:33] <dingding> i am telling the truth and i learnd my lesson and i will try or be responsible
[07:33] <dingding> I PROMISE
[07:35] <bazhang> dingding, you have shown no reason to believe your promises, as you have disrupted the channel every time.
[07:36] <dingding> if i try or distrupt the channel one more time you can ban me forever
[07:36] <dingding> and i am ubuntu novice so i need help
[07:37] <bazhang> dingding, no.
[07:37] <bazhang> dingding, not going to unban at this time.
[07:37] <dingding> but i recognized that im guilty
[07:37] <dingding> ok
[07:37] <dingding> fine
[07:37] <dingding> bye
[07:37] <bazhang> bye
[07:39] <dingding> im back
[07:39] <bazhang> dingding, back where
[07:39] <dingding> back to the judge
[07:40] <topyli> dingding: anything else we can help ou with? if not, please leave this channel. we need it for work
[07:40] <bazhang> dingding, please part this channel.
[07:43] <topyli> should have kept my mouth shut, got him in pm now :)
[07:43] <bazhang> whenwhenwhenwhen
[07:44] <topyli> right now
[07:44] <bazhang> hehe I meant 'when will I be unbanned!!!1!'
[07:45] <topyli> actually he's lamenting that he's never going to be unbanned
[07:45] <Flannel> Woe is him.
[07:45] <Flannel> oh, lackaday.
[07:46] <bazhang> well blaming the brother and ban-evading multiple times is not a very nice big credibility builder :)
[07:47] <topyli> i told him to give it good time and thought and try again sometime in the not-so near future. he claims he doesn't have time for that, will look for support elsewhere
[07:47] <topyli> good idea
[07:52] <Myrtti> good morning
[07:52] <bazhang> hi!
[08:01] <bazhang> oh that is rich
[08:02] <bazhang> icebuntu accusing me of stalking him
[08:03] <Myrtti> lolwhat
[08:03] <topyli> !firewall
 dingding:  he ( bazhang ) follows me to and most of my friends and lots of others etc .. etc
[08:04] <bazhang> this was in response to dingding asking why I was following him :/
[08:04] <Myrtti> bazhang: where?
[08:04] <bazhang> Myrtti, #kubuntu
[08:05] <Myrtti> yay.
[08:05] <bazhang> dingding is banned several times over in #ubuntu
[08:06] <topyli> could we finally bring the firewall factoid up to date? suggestion: "Ubuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. An Uncomplicated Firewall configuration tool (ufw) is included as well. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/8.04/serverguide/C/firewall.html for instructions"
[08:06] <bazhang> nice topyli 
[08:06] <bazhang> err idea (sorry)
[08:07] <topyli> i see no point advertising guarddog and firestarter at this day and age. the wiki page mentions them at the end
[08:07] <bazhang> what about gufw
[08:08] <topyli> oh i didn't know there is such a thing
[08:08] <bazhang> !info gufw
[08:09] <bazhang> nufw seems weird though
[08:09] <bazhang> nufw (source: nufw): a per-user firewalling daemon that interferes with libipq
[08:13] <ikonia> I'm not confortable with dingdindg in #kubuntu
[08:13] <ikonia> it's a known troll and was bandoding all wekk
[08:13] <ikonia> week
[08:13] <bazhang> we are watching closely ikonia 
[08:14] <ikonia> I don't see why someone who knows what they are doing re: being a pain and consistnatly ban evading should be allowed in #kubuntu to get help - the point of being banned is as a punishment (eg: not get help) 
[08:14] <ikonia> I spent a good part of day trying to keep on top of the ban dodging
[08:15] <stdin> ikonia: I'd be more comfortable to wait and see if they misbehave in #k than just outright ban
[08:16] <ikonia> stdin: I take the point, just making it clear that this week has beenterrible behaviour constant ben evasion - (known ban evasion nick/ident/ip changes) and rude pm's
[08:18] <stdin> bans should generally be channel-specific, unless there's a "good reason"
[08:18] <stdin> the definition of "good reason" is not well defined however
[08:18] <ikonia> stdin: I think his behaviour - is a good reason
[08:18] <ikonia> (in my personal view)
[08:19] <bazhang> well in that light then shadeslayer qualifies as well.
[08:20] <ikonia> yes, although to his credit he's kept out of ubuntu since being told that ban dodging is against freenode poilicy
[08:20] <bazhang> he was ban dodging a lot too
[08:20] <ikonia> he was yes
[08:20] <bazhang> and generally very disruptive in both channels.
[08:20] <ikonia> yup
[08:20] <bazhang> with lots of nonsensical questions
[08:20] <ikonia> I wouldn't have let him in either until he got the message - but that wasn't my call to make 
[08:21] <bazhang> well he quit
[08:21] <ikonia> yup
[08:21] <ikonia> I expect he'll show up in #ubuntu in about 25 minutes
[08:21] <stdin> best not to ban anyone from here unless they are abusive to ops
[08:21] <bazhang> I am guessing he ban evades for the 7th (?) time
[08:21] <ikonia> stdin: sorry, I wasn't saying ban from in here 
[08:23] <stdin> he's in #xubuntu
[08:23] <bazhang> :/
[08:55] <ikonia> christel: new cloak ?
[08:58] <ikonia> daemon = daemonFC ?
[08:58] <ikonia> ip doen't match up
[08:58] <bazhang> no
[08:58] <bazhang> that is xavierg2003
[08:58] <ikonia> yes, I saw him change nick
[09:01] <christel> ikonia: noo, been wearing it for a year atleast :)
[09:01] <ikonia> christel: never noticed the exherbo.christel bit
[09:02] <christel> aah :)
[09:34] <ikonia> dingding back in #xubuntu and #kubuntu 
[09:38]  * Myrtti grumbles
[09:38] <Myrtti> https://twitter.com/s_constantine/status/1400004702
[09:41] <ikonia> Myrtti: is that you ?
[09:41] <Myrtti> no...
[09:41] <Myrtti> that's a friend who works for Nokia
[09:42] <Myrtti> I *want* THAT phone
[09:42] <ikonia> ah
[10:04] <ikonia> what does this mean 
[10:04] <ikonia> 10:01 -wispurs(n=home@c-76-27-242-229.hsd1.or.comcast.net)- [Op'sProTection]
[10:04] <ikonia> I got that in my irssi log when I kicked wispurs
[10:05] <Myrtti> it's a script
[10:05] <ikonia> is it just his nick relname field and my irrsi borked up again ?
[10:05] <ikonia> ah
[10:05] <ikonia> the auto join
[10:05] <bazhang> hope he didnt pay for that protection :)
[10:05] <Myrtti> that manages him to rejoin
[10:05] <ikonia> ops protection
[10:05] <ikonia> clearly seasoned at being kicked
[10:05] <Myrtti> mirc script to the boot
[10:05] <Myrtti> http://www.mircscripts.com/cgi-bin/file.php?id=816
[11:16] <bazhang>  [Andersffs] (n=shitbag@pc37.net172.koping.net): purple
[11:16] <ikonia> ughh
[11:17] <bazhang> thought chanserv or bots would catch that
[11:17] <ikonia> yes
[11:34] <bazhang> getting ready to remove bluzno
[11:34] <bazhang> tired of his targetting users and saying winblowz etc
[11:35] <Myrtti> have you thanked a FLOSS developer today?
[11:35] <Myrtti> I've already sent two emails to Terminator and irssi developers
[11:35] <bazhang> he seems to be trolling frankly
[11:36] <ikonia> Myrtti: not today - but I did yesterday, is that acceptable
[11:36] <Myrtti> ikonia: yeah :-)
[11:39] <ikonia> good good
[11:53] <topyli> oh yes, thanks for the reminder
[11:53] <topyli> i need to thank the syncevolution guy, an oft-forgotten hero :)
[11:54] <bazhang> I'm betting that bluzno gets about 10 minutes 'sleep' :)
[11:57] <ikonia> bazhang: we know thats the truth, I wasn't going to take anything forward as he was making lots of mistakes and getting stropped/clever with me
[11:57] <ikonia> bazhang: he'll be back in 10-15 as you suggest
[11:58] <bazhang> ikonia, I am amazed you hung on as long as you did, with all the ban issues etc
[11:58] <bazhang> thoughts on agua (debian user)?
[11:58] <ikonia> just come back from the shop
[11:58] <ikonia> no idea 
[11:59] <ikonia> bazhang: yeah - this is no ubuntu problems, give him a nudge if he asks again
[11:59] <ikonia> not a fan of his smart mouth either
[11:59] <bazhang> hehe
[12:02] <bazhang> dingding back in #k
[12:02] <ikonia> yup
[12:06] <bazhang> oh fun dingding now in PM
[12:08] <mneptok> let's call that person "one_stroke_short_of_three"
[12:08] <ikonia> kept pm'ing me alll yesterday
[12:08] <ikonia> as the user Flexomad
[12:08] <ikonia> "please un ban me
[12:08] <ikonia> etc
[12:08] <ikonia> saying this while he's ban dodging
[12:09] <mneptok>  /m ikonia plz unban me kthx
[12:09] <mneptok>  /m ikonia plz unban me kthx NOW plz kthx
[12:09] <ikonia> "you won't regret it" - and as he's typing that he's joining #ubuntu ???
[12:09] <ikonia> mneptok: thats almost the exact script
[12:09] <Pici> coincidence?
[12:09] <mneptok> ikonia: yeah, i'm working on getting it fully automated so i din't have to watch your responses.
[12:10] <ikonia> 15:23 <Flexomad> if you unban me you will not regret
[12:10] <ikonia> yet he ban dodged again today
[12:10] <topyli> i wonder what he's offering to make it worth your while
[12:10] <mneptok> isn't "Flexomad" a Ford trademark for the 1950's era car floor mats?
[12:11] <bazhang> hehe
[12:11] <mneptok> "DRIVE THE 1952 FORD COUPE! PUSH-O-LUXE RADIO TUNING AND FLEXOMAD CARPETING!"
[12:11] <bazhang> first time is coincidence, second time happenstance, third time enemy action
[12:12] <ikonia> bazhang: what abotu the 10th
[12:12] <bazhang> ikonia, haha
[12:13] <bazhang> dingding> hey do what i say  dingding> pres the ''y'',''e'' ,''s'' keys and hit enter
[12:13] <topyli> ikonia: tenth time is your own fault :(
[12:14] <mneptok> or Xenu.
[12:22] <mneptok> gawd i want to dry-hump this new UMA cell phone
[12:22] <mneptok> *and* slap GOOG for not having UMA in the G1
[12:22] <ikonia> mneptok: hows the new job going ?
[12:23] <mneptok> ikonia: slowly. i'm only working ~10-20h per week until our move is completed.
[12:23] <mneptok> hopefully that will be done shortly after the MySQL conf in late April
[12:23] <ikonia> good good
[12:23] <mneptok> ](ohplzgawd)
[12:24] <mneptok> woo was in NM last week and found us a rental house
[12:24] <ikonia> NM ?
[12:24] <mneptok> New Mexico, USA
[12:24] <ikonia> wow, I didn't think it was mexico you where going to 
[12:24] <ikonia> I must have miss-read
[12:25] <mneptok> tr[i]tium and his wife are playing storage area for one of our suitcases. very nice to know we have some essentials all ready for our arrival.
[12:25] <bazhang> haha
[12:25] <ikonia> very cool
[12:25] <bazhang> that must be a huge suitcase
[12:25] <ikonia> tritium: if you could pick the best stuff out of mneptok's suitcase and let me know your ebay account, thanks
[12:26] <mneptok> and we'll be arriving right around the time they baby is due. so we can play "Emergency Diaper Delivery" ;)
[12:26] <mneptok> *their
[12:26] <mneptok> ikonia: the mummified genitalia collection is *never* that far from em.
[12:26] <mneptok> *me
[12:26] <ikonia> ha ha ha
[12:33] <topyli> there! fan mail sent :)
[12:34] <bazhang> dingding says he will PM me for the next 64 years if I dont unban him today
[12:35] <ikonia>  /ignore will solve that
[12:35] <Pici> Is he predicting that IRC will still be active in 64 years?
[12:35] <ikonia> Pici: 3d irc will
[12:35] <bazhang> or that I will be active?
[12:36] <ikonia> you'll live for ever in a glass jar
[12:36] <bazhang> oof
[12:36] <topyli> bazhang: just get busy on the singularity development!
[12:37] <bazhang> topyli, aye aye cap'n !  :)
[12:38] <topyli> i have doctorow's "content" as commuter reading. people gave me strange looks when i dropped from my seat one day, after reading that singularity is "the rapture of the nerds"
[12:39] <topyli> iirc he was quoting someone though
[12:39] <bazhang> vernor vinge?
[12:39] <topyli> hmm i think it was someone more, ummm, critical
[12:40] <bazhang> hehe
[12:41] <topyli> Ken MacLeod
[12:41] <bazhang> I am betting that dingding will mention he is banned in #ubuntu in 3, 2,
[12:42] <topyli> "why ebooks rock, part 478"
[12:42] <Pici> I read both "Down and out in the Magic Kingdom" and "Someone Comes to Town, Someone Leaves Town" in ebook format on my ipod.
[12:42] <mneptok> i though Second Life was 3D IRC. and that we discovered that *actually seeing the dicks as dicks* was a Bad Idea(tm).
[12:43] <mneptok> Pici: Cory's an Ubuntu user :)
[12:43] <topyli> Pici: i have never read any of his fiction
[12:43] <topyli> then again, i don't read much fiction anymore, should fix that
[12:49] <topyli> mneptok: there was an exodus of some mac gurus to linux at some point
[12:50] <topyli> well gurus, evangelists, cool-people, whatever
[13:00] <bazhang> dingding is just giving out wrong advice in #kubuntu now
[13:05] <Pici> bazhang: is he banned from #ubuntu as well?
[13:05] <bazhang> Pici, multiple times ban-dodger (10 or thereabouts)
[13:08] <bazhang> ugh he is back 
[13:11] <Pici> I concidering forwarding moldtelecom to #ubuntu-graylist
[13:11] <Pici> But that seems a bit extreme for just one user.
[13:12] <bazhang> do 64 years of PM's qualify as stalking, or do I need to experience all the years first
[13:14] <Myrtti> http://paste.ubuntu.com/138942/
[13:17] <Pici> Banned *!*@host-static-92-115-23-*.moldtelecom.md
[13:17] <Pici> It fits all the other banned hosts.
[13:17]  * genii stumbles in and makes a fresh pot of coffee
[13:17] <bazhang> wow 3 of my bans are wasted on cristi/crismusg/dingding/etc
[13:18] <mneptok> topyli: blame Mark Pilgrim
[13:18] <genii> bazhang: I just logged in but from backscroll it looks like dingding is being a royal pita
[13:18] <Myrtti> Pici: I didn't know you could do wildcards on partial hostnames
[13:19] <Pici> Myrtti: you can use wildcards anywhere
[13:19] <bazhang> genii, and that is putting it very nicely :)
[13:19] <mneptok> Regex is like that. - ancient proverb
[13:19] <genii> Bah, work buzzer. AFK
[13:33] <genii> Back
[13:35] <bazhang> classic -ot !support :)
[13:35] <bazhang> Please be aware that this channel is mainly for jdong discussion.
[13:57] <genii> Myrtti: I'm curious, did you ever manage to get a monitor and keyboard to plug into that headless server that rebooted?
[13:57] <Myrtti> no
[13:57] <Pici> :(
[13:58] <Myrtti> wasn't worth my time and effort to get one
[13:58] <Myrtti> I did plan to take the harddrive from the server and take it with me here but didn't
[14:04]  * genii slides Myrtti a large coffee and and a coupon for monitors at newegg 
[14:04] <Tm_T> Myrtti: you know what?
[14:06] <Tm_T> I thought I replace my failing PATA drives with brand new SATA drive... just to find that SATA chip in this MoBo is failing with newer SATA disks
[14:07] <Myrtti> :-(
[14:08] <Tm_T> kinda funny (:
[14:08] <Myrtti> my foot is killing me again :-(
[14:08] <Myrtti> everything below waistline is shot
[14:08] <genii> Maybe it's gonna rain
[14:09] <Myrtti> my thigh and foot are cramping really b a d
[14:09] <Myrtti> genii: it rains/rained
[14:09] <Myrtti> if only I could move my leg without pain, could reach the painkillers
[14:10] <bazhang> I had that before.
[14:10] <bazhang> got one of those 'exercize belts' that shake--turned it back to front, and got the blood going again
[14:11] <bazhang> that and daily doses of garlic to improve circulation works wonders
[14:11] <Myrtti> oh GOOD GOD the foot kills me
[14:11] <bazhang> shooting pains?
[14:11] <bazhang> hip to foot?
[14:12] <Myrtti> the muscles are in total cramp now, the thigh doesn't cramp anymore but argh
[14:12] <bazhang> dehydration/low blood sugar as well I would guess
[14:12] <Myrtti> yeah, need to get some green tea / vitamins when I get most of the pain gone
[14:12] <bazhang> odd what icebuntu said earlier about me stalking him
[14:12] <Myrtti> currently I don't even dare to move
[14:13] <bazhang> he referred to 'friends'
[14:13] <Seeker`> i've not had cramp from low blood sugar before
[14:13] <bazhang> wonder if his stalking is in concert with others
[14:14] <bazhang> stand on your feet for six hours straight 5 days a week then
[14:14] <Pici> amputate
[14:14] <Seeker`> i suspect i've had lower blood sugar than most people
[14:15] <bazhang> Myrtti, try not to overuse the painkillers
[14:17] <Myrtti> bazhang: I've been without them for a week now and even if I did take them, I'd still have the stomach protection meds ...
[14:26] <bazhang> @login
[14:28] <elky> bazhang, i can see where he and grossgrape would strike a friendship
[14:29] <bazhang> elky, yes, in #some-stalkers-channel or the like
[14:29] <elky> ubottu is br0ked
[14:29] <elky> bazhang, where they stalk each other?
[14:29] <Pici> !-cwillu-#ubuntu-offtopic
[14:29] <Pici> elky: &^
[14:30] <Pici> Also, isn't it a bit late for you to be on?
[14:30] <elky> ah
[14:30] <bazhang> elky, where they identify targets to stalk
[14:30] <elky> it's 1.30am on saturday morning
[14:30] <Pici> Ah.  I forgot it was friday/saturday
[14:31] <elky> !cwillu-#ubuntu-offtopic is <reply> Cwillu is a bot written in lisp
[14:31] <elky> !no cwillu-#ubuntu-offtopic is <reply> Cwillu is a bot written in lisp
 dingding:  he ( bazhang ) follows me to and most of my friends and lots of others etc .. etc  <-- elky from earlier today
[14:32] <Pici> Where was that?
[14:32] <bazhang> in #kubuntu Pici 
[14:33] <elky> !cwillu-#ubuntu-offtopic is <reply> Cwillu is a bot written in javascript
[14:33] <elky> !no cwillu-#ubuntu-offtopic is <reply> Cwillu is a bot written in javascript
[14:33] <bazhang> hehe
[15:31] <Flannel> Hi martin_, how can we help you today?
[15:33] <genii> bazhang: Is dingdong PMing you or so?
[15:33] <genii> *dingding
[15:33] <bazhang> genii, hehe yep
[15:33] <bazhang> wanting to know when I go offline
[15:33] <martin_> im only enter for say tnx unbanned
[15:34] <bazhang> dingdong works too :)
[15:34] <martin_> and help 
[15:35] <martin_> im currently customer too this chanel
[15:35] <martin_> ¬¬
[15:35] <Pici> martin_: This is not a support channel. 
[15:44] <LjL> uhm, look at arcsighter in #ubuntu
[15:44] <LjL> that looks like bad *network* lag to me
[15:48] <genii> Sorry if I'm not on the ball right now in #k but work keeps yanking me away
[15:48] <bazhang> hehe
[15:48] <bazhang> you are more on the ball then anyone around genii 
[15:48]  * genii tries to balance on abig circus ball but falls ungracefully off
[15:48] <bazhang> I'm just trying to hide from more dingding'age
[15:49] <genii> bazhang: Ah, I understand
[15:50] <genii> I'll have an hour without interruption during my lunch which will be in about 10 minutes. After that likely patchy again
[15:50] <bazhang> I have another 64 years of this :(
[15:51] <genii> bazhang: Ouch
[15:58] <Pici> LjL: Did you speak to lupin last week or so about randomly pming people?
[15:59] <LjL> Pici: i more like... banned him
[16:04] <bazhang> dingding/cristi/crismusg/etc has logged off #kubuntu ; am guessing will try to enter #ubuntu again (moldova IP)
[16:05] <bazhang> have to take off for now
[16:05] <ikonia> bazhang: already aware :)
[16:05] <bazhang> ikonia, thanks :)
[16:07] <Pici> ikonia: I've revised the #ubuntu ban, they shouldn't be able to enter.
[16:08] <ikonia> Pici: oh really, what did you change it to ?
[16:08] <ikonia> Pici: you where talking about greylisting earlier
[16:08] <Pici> *!*@host-static-92-115-23-*.moldtelecom.md
[16:08] <LjL> pici++
[16:08] <ikonia> just seen it
[16:08] <Pici> ikonia: I was, but its silly for just one person.
[16:08] <LjL> Pici: although, why do they call it a "static" host if it changes? >:
[16:08] <ikonia> be interesting to see how that works
[16:08] <LjL> stupid ISP
[16:09] <ikonia> LjL: I did wonder that on the first day 
[16:09] <Pici> icebuntu back too
[16:09] <bazhang> ugh
[16:09] <bazhang> now really time to leave :(
[16:10] <ikonia> ha ha
[16:24]  * Pici palms
[16:24] <ikonia> ?
[16:28] <topyli> mneptok: i do blame pilgrim
[16:28] <topyli> in a good way of course :)
[16:29] <Pici> ikonia: just some user complaining that I'm stalking them
[16:29] <LjL> tis a good question, what does the "gk" in "gksudo" mean?
[16:29] <ikonia> ooh really bazhang is a stalker too
[16:29] <ikonia> according to icebuntu
[16:29] <LjL> if it's short for "gtk" as i assumed, they could just have used "gtk"
[16:29] <ikonia> it's stalker central in here
[16:30]  * LjL stalks ikonia
[16:30]  * ikonia crys
[16:30]  * LjL stalks ikonia's grammar
[16:30] <ikonia> which grammar mistake this time ?
[16:30] <LjL> well, orthography perhaps
[16:30] <LjL> third person of "cry" is...
[16:31] <ikonia> ......errrrrr
[16:31] <ikonia> no idea
[16:31] <Pici> cries
[16:31] <ikonia> ahh
[16:31] <ikonia> right word, wrong spelling
[16:38] <LjL> [17:38:31] * Icebuntu love ya all murlidhar will see ya on im and fb 
[16:38] <LjL> in #ubuntu
[16:39] <LjL> does this deserve a redirect to -ops to make a rant on how you should stay ontopic?
[16:39] <Pici> ugh
[16:39] <ikonia> LjL: done it
[16:39] <Pici> LjL: seems like ikonia thinks so
[16:39] <LjL> alright
[16:39] <bazhang> yep
[16:39] <ikonia> Pici: and it's not going to be a rant
[16:39] <ikonia> I'm changing it to a ban
[16:39] <ikonia> he's been told enough
[16:39] <ikonia> and he logged out after he breaks the rules - which is his usuabl trick
[16:48] <genii> Bah. That idiot is still nickspamming
[16:48] <ikonia> genii: which one
[16:48] <bazhang> in many many channels :)
[16:48] <genii> ikonia: jtholmes/jtisme/jth2    etc etc
[16:48] <bazhang> 10 #ubuntu channels
[16:48] <ikonia> oops, not noticed him
[16:49] <LjL> !pony-#ubuntu-offtopic | christel
[16:49] <christel> :(
[16:50] <christel> but i wanna pony wanna pony wanna pony
[16:50]  * christel stomps
[16:50] <ikonia> I know where you can get a sparkle pony ?
[16:50] <christel> ooooh? 
[16:50] <ikonia> yeah,....you like that
[16:50] <christel> :D
[16:50] <ikonia> although it comes with a heavey price
 
[16:50] <ikonia> just teasing
[16:50] <christel> hehe
[16:58] <mneptok> christel: a magical goat for the person that delivers Monty Program's Freenode group approval. ;)
[16:59] <ikonia> magical goat....this I have to see
[16:59] <christel> hahaha
[16:59] <christel> ill get Dave2 right on it!
[16:59] <Dave2> :o
[16:59] <bazhang> though with mneptok maybe better not to :)
[16:59]  * mneptok flashes Dave2 a mano cornuta
[17:00] <ikonia> time to drive home, laters ladies and gents
[17:00] <bazhang> bye
[17:02] <christel> mneptok: i have rudely pm'ed you!
[17:06] <mneptok> and i ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pXfHLUlZf4
[17:19] <topyli> i thanked a dev today, and he hadn't heard of "thank a dev day". was surprised and told me i had "made his personal dev day today"
[17:19] <topyli> 3
[17:19] <topyli> <3 even
[17:19] <Pici> 4
[17:20] <topyli> <4
[17:20] <Pici> 3 is < 4
[17:20] <topyli> is not, when 3 represents ur hart!
[17:23] <Pici> What happened to $randomurl
[17:25] <nickspoon> "Thank a dev day"?
[17:31] <topyli> nickspoon: oh you haven't heard about it either. today, you thank developers of your favorite programs by email
[17:31] <nickspoon> Aw, that's lovely. :3
[17:32] <LjL> i'll send an email to myself about the floodbots.
[17:33] <Pici> Will you actually read it?
[17:33] <LjL> nah...
[17:33] <LjL> even assuming it doesn't end into the spam folder
[17:46] <nickspoon> "Dear LjL, thank you very much for your work. I would like to have your babies, and I am now moulding my life after your divine word. Love, LjL."
[17:48] <topyli> hehehe
[17:49] <topyli> that will surely fold out as a very sad love story
[17:49] <LjL> tis the story of my life.
[17:49] <topyli> :(
[17:50] <topyli> nickspoon: i lost your interdimensional bear novel before i read it. can i have another copy?
[17:50] <topyli> pln txt plz thx
[17:50] <LjL> interdim...?
[17:50] <nickspoon> topyli: Haha, you really want to read that?
[17:50] <LjL> i do
[17:50] <topyli> i can try :)
[17:50] <nickspoon> I never actually went back and edited it. It's abysmal.
[17:51] <LjL> nickspoon: that's expected given you wrote it, doesn't matter
[17:51] <topyli> i'm sure it is
[17:51] <nickspoon> I wrote it in a month. It's 50,000 words, just about.
[17:52] <topyli> bah, kerouac wrote novels overnight!
[17:52] <topyli> and it shows, but that's not the point :)
[17:54] <nickspoon> Kerouac was crazy anyway.
[17:54] <topyli> no doubt
[17:55] <nickspoon> "In praise of Character in the Bleak inhuman Loneliness" was one of his tips for Spontaneous Prose.
[17:55] <topyli> it was like the punk rock scene. "come along! let's do whatever comes to mind! let's write about that! everybody is a writer!"
[17:56] <topyli> just guessing, i wasn't there :)
[17:57] <nickspoon> Too busy being all muddy and naked, as my permanent image of Finnish people is.
[17:59] <topyli> yeah but i do salute their effort
[18:00] <nickspoon> It produced some decent art, but also an awful lot of rubbish.
[18:01] <topyli> no doubt they thought about moving to finland and just living with the natives, but they tried to change their own culture. this is why i praise them
[18:01] <topyli> of course, in finland they'd have been bloody foreigners anyway, they would never have been able to relax as they did at home
[18:02] <topyli> nickspoon: some of kerouac's stuff is good. burroughs of course is one of a kind, the rest, i never could put my finger on
[18:02] <nickspoon> Kerouac just seems to be writing sentences for the sake of writing sentences.
[18:03] <topyli> yes
[18:03] <LjL> you mean like me?
[18:03] <topyli> i'm not sure that's bad though
[18:04] <LjL> anyway how's about you two *don't* follow our bad example and instead keep using -offtopic for random chatter
[18:04] <nickspoon> Being used to beautifully crafted prose like that of Thomas Hardy and Oscar Wilde it's rather jarring.
[18:05] <LjL> Thomas Hardy Heron?
[18:05] <topyli> i always took kerouac as poetry, not prose
[18:05] <topyli> he just takes a little more space :)
[18:10] <LjL> anyway can i see this "novel" or not? :(
[18:14] <topyli> btw this guy was doing the beat thing in finland already in the 30s. trying to find out if he's been translated: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volter_Kilpi
[18:14] <topyli> lousy article
[18:15] <topyli> one of his novels has a better article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alastalon_salissa
[18:17] <topyli> yes there are translations: http://kirjasto.sci.fi/vkilpi.htm
[18:18] <topyli> "the humbler people of the parish" is important, and translated. the list doesn't know of a translation of "alastalon salissa", which is sad
[18:20] <LjL> [19:19:23] <-- cristi has left this channel.
[18:20] <LjL> not sure if it's the same cristi now
[18:20] <topyli> meh, they just translated the titles for the list. i'll shut up now until you learn finnish
[18:49] <tritium> ikonia: will do ;)
[18:51] <tritium> @btlogin
[18:53] <tritium> Flannel: I see the subject of our discussion the other night is back.
[18:56]  * genii sips and thinks about smotpokers
[19:20] <ianto> Hello, does anyone know where to find the RT sys admin's channel?
[19:21] <LjL> rt what?
[19:21] <ianto> sys admin
[19:21] <ianto> The people who run Request Tracker
[19:22] <LjL> i'm afraid i've no idea myself
[19:22] <ianto> OK, jorge told me to ask in here to find it
[19:23] <LjL> sure, maybe someone else here knows
[19:23] <LjL> try asking in #ubuntu-irc too perhaps
[19:23] <ianto> Thanks, I've asked there too
[19:24] <Pici> ianto: #canonical-sysadmin
[19:24] <ianto> Pici: Thanks a lot :)
[19:24] <Pici> ianto: Er. I mean, you do mean rt.ubuntu.com ?
[19:24] <genii> Hm. dingding returns.
[19:24] <ianto> Pici: Yeah
[19:36] <topyli> this guy has to be dealt with
[19:36] <ikonia> LjL: trying to work that out, 
[19:36] <topyli> i think this is freenode business by now
[19:36] <Pici> which guy?
[19:36] <topyli> dingding
[19:37] <topyli> aka whatever he's been before
[19:37] <ikonia> topyli: sorting it
[19:37] <topyli> ikonia: thanks
[19:38] <genii> ikonia: Hehe... really letting dingding have it
[19:38] <topyli> where is this? i want to see :)
[19:38] <ikonia> it's not acceptable to tell someone to re-install the OS for an xserver problem when nothing else has been tried
[19:39] <topyli> oh found t
[19:46] <dingding> hello
[19:46] <dingding> ikonia banned me for no reason
[19:46] <topyli> dingding: he did not
[19:46] <dingding> i was not spaning
[19:46] <ikonia> dingding: I explained the reason to you - you have been giving out questionable advice all day - you where told clearly to stop and you agruged about it
[19:46] <dingding> or do something bad
[19:47] <dingding> i gived an advice and bang i get a ban
[19:47] <ikonia> dingding: you have previous history as an IRC issue so I chose not to argue it in public channel with you
[19:47] <ikonia> that is the facts
[19:47] <dingding> nobody told me to stop
[19:48] <dingding> that was something else
[19:48] <dingding> but this ban is unjustified
[19:48] <topyli> dingding: you are bad for the channel. people might take your ill advice. you have been told to stop it, and you don't listen. when you are banned, you evade the ban
[19:48] <ikonia> dingding: I told you to stop 
[19:48] <dingding> it is not mentioned in ubuntu code
[19:48] <topyli> this is not good behavior dingding
[19:48] <ikonia> if you are not bright enough to realise that giving out dangerouse/bad advice to people is not part of the code of conduct then you need to not give advice
[19:48] <dingding> abd you behavior is not good 
[19:48] <dingding> to ban me for nothing
[19:49] <ikonia> I've explained the reasons
[19:49] <dingding> your reasons are not clear and just
[19:50] <dingding> i want to talk to the boss
[19:50] <ikonia> I'll spell them out 1 time for you
[19:50] <ikonia> 1.) you have history as an IRC issue
[19:50] <dingding> this is abuse and discrimination
[19:50] <ikonia> 2.) your advice was bad / dangerous to users
[19:50] <ikonia> 3.) you argued the request to stop 
[19:50] <ikonia> 4.) you where then TOLD to stop
[19:50] <ikonia> 5.) you continue to argue
[19:50] <dingding> I was not
[19:50] <dingding> i am not
[19:50] <topyli> *sigh*
[19:51] <dingding> i want to talk to the boss
[19:51] <topyli> dingding: the URL to the complaint procedure is in this channel's topic
[19:51] <dingding> ok
[19:52] <topyli> please part the channel, we need it for work
[19:52] <dingding> i dont find the url
[19:52] <dingding> please give it to me
[19:53] <ikonia> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcTeam 
[19:53] <topyli> meanwhile, i'm pretty sure your bans will stand
[19:53] <ianto> Just a quick question, since I am founder of an Ubuntu LoCo channel, how do you, the #ubuntu-ops come into play there?
[19:53] <ikonia> if others feel this is harsh I'll be happy to remove the ban and apologise
[19:54] <Nafallo> ianto: you want to be in #ubuntu-irc then
[19:54] <dingding> i was banned for givind an advice nobody correct me and ikonia started to yellow at me
[19:54] <ikonia> you've said that
[19:55] <ikonia> dingding: if there is nothing else please leave the channel and go about your irc day 
[19:55] <dingding> ikonia:i never talk to you because you are abusing 
[19:55] <ikonia> ok
[19:56] <topyli> ianto: i think loco channel business should be handled on #ubuntu-irc
[19:56] <topyli> might be wrong, let someone verify
[19:56] <ianto> topyli: OK cool that is no problem
[19:56] <ianto> I think that Nafallo said that too
[19:57] <topyli> okay then
[19:58] <ianto> I shall part and bid you all adieu then ;)
[19:59] <topyli> have fun :)
[20:00] <topyli> dingding: please part this channel
[20:01]  * jussi01 waves
[20:01] <ikonia> hey hey jrib 
[20:01] <topyli> thanks and hi jussi01 :)
[20:01] <ikonia> jussi01_: even
[20:01] <jussi01> ikonia: still wrong :P
[20:02] <ikonia> as always
[20:02] <topyli> there are still things in this messy world you can trust
[20:02] <jussi01> you still up for the trip?
[20:02] <ikonia> yup yup yup
[20:02] <ikonia> had a sniff on flights
[20:02] <jussi01> :)
[20:03] <topyli> jussi01: get me hired in your company
[20:03] <jussi01> topyli: hehehe
[20:03] <topyli> directly to business, as they say :)
[20:03] <jussi01> whats the .de phone prefix?
[20:04] <ikonia> 32 ?
[20:04] <topyli> jussi01: best resume/reply intercourse i've ever had right there :)  ^
[20:05] <jussi01> hahhahahahhahahah
[20:05] <topyli> hehe
[20:05] <jussi01> hrm... ive got a thing that says its +49
[20:06] <jussi01> _grumbles_
[20:06] <ikonia> probably is 49 - I was working from memory 
[20:07] <stdin> google agrees with 49
[20:07] <ikonia> google never lies
[20:07] <topyli> must be true!
[20:08] <topyli> jussi01 is making a conference call with germany
[20:08] <ikonia> nah, he's talking to dirty hot german phone lines
[20:08] <ikonia> obviously.....
[20:08] <topyli> same thing
[20:08] <ikonia> "conference calls"
[20:08] <jussi01> hahahhaha
[20:09] <topyli> this man just does it with entire nations
[20:09] <jussi01> ikonia: also, Ive a strong possibility of tickets to the blackburn game if you arent busy...
[20:09] <topyli> he's australian after all you know!
[20:09] <ikonia> jussi01: date and location
[20:10] <jussi01> anfield, 11th april
[20:10] <ikonia> one moment
[20:10] <ikonia> saturday - do-able
[20:10] <ikonia> keep me updated
[20:10] <jussi01> :)
[20:11] <jussi01> Ill let you know for sure next week, but its extremely likely. 
[20:11] <ikonia> ta
[20:12] <jussi01> stdin: I just noticed -irc ...
[20:12] <jussi01> ...
[20:12] <ikonia> see what comes through to the council
[20:12] <ikonia> I'm quite open to if people think that was too harsh I'll remove the ban and apologise
[20:13] <ikonia> I just believe it's gone on too long and he's an issue 
[20:13] <stdin> jussi01: prepare for an email of epic proportions ;)
[20:13] <jussi01> I didnt see the incident. care to post me some logs?
[20:13] <ikonia> jussi01: he basiclly just blindly told someone to re-install the OS - no trouble shooting no anything
[20:13] <ikonia> jussi01: he's been ban doding in #ubuntu for about 5 days, about 10 - 15 times
[20:13] <ikonia> jussi01: thats the only rason he's in kubuntu
[20:14] <ikonia> he was giving questionable advice earlier also 
[20:14] <topyli> ikonia: you ave nothing to worry about, you're correct in this
[20:14] <ikonia> he was asked to stop - argued, he was told to stop, argued, he was removed
[20:14] <stdin> if the "bad advice" isn't a reason, the offtopic-ness is
[20:14] <ikonia> stdin: pick your reason - there is enough ammo
[20:14] <topyli> the ban evading makes him even worse
[20:15] <stdin> and it's not like they didn't know not to argue in the channel, he was told several times before
[20:15] <stdin> including by me
[20:15] <topyli> he comes here explaining it was his brother
[20:16] <ikonia> I personally believe the intention is to be a pain - backed up be 10 ban evading incidents
[20:16] <ikonia> he knows how to change nick/ident/ip on demand - so he should know how to a.) advise someone sensible b.) take advice before being told c.) respond to being told to stop 
[20:22] <ikonia> I saw the k-truck today 
[20:22] <ikonia> on my way home from work 
[20:22] <ikonia> it was transporting internet trolls, want to see ?
[20:22] <ikonia> http://alesi.projecthugo.co.uk/kline_truck.jpg
[20:22] <nixternal> heh, we have a ton of those trucks here in Chicago
[20:22]  * genii twitches, then clicks spastically
[20:22] <jussi01> ikonia: hehe, I have a pickture of similar truck in helsnki
[20:22] <ikonia> ooh really :( I've never seen one in the UK
[20:22] <ikonia> I was laughing hard
[20:22] <topyli> i think i have seen one in helsinki as well :)
[20:22] <ikonia> oh, gutted
[20:22] <topyli> by the pasila station
[20:22] <topyli> not the truck but the container, waiting to be loaded on a train
[20:22] <ikonia> it was a new thing for me
[20:23] <ikonia> I was going to look for the kline train on monday  ;)
[20:24] <jussi01> hehe
[20:24] <topyli> in pasila, helsinki there is also a company near the station. all i know about them is the logo on the building, it's exactly like the suse lizard
[20:24] <topyli> i don't think they do suse in helsinki
[20:24] <ikonia> no-where does suse any more ;)
[20:24] <topyli> oh there is that too
[20:25] <topyli> the logo is still on the building so the company must do something else then
[20:27] <topyli> btw i do need to join a company soon, i'm leaving the university anyway at the end of april. i've had enough of begging for more money instead of working
[20:27] <topyli> i lasted six years!
[20:28] <ikonia> you picked a bad time to leave with a global econimic crash 
[20:28] <topyli> meh
[20:30] <topyli> might as well write my dissertation at home or in the gutter, as long as they don't make me earn money for the university on the side
[20:30] <topyli> i swear, the only people that are actually paid by the university are professors and janitors
[20:30] <topyli> everybody else is a basically a bum
[20:32] <topyli> i will never be a professor, since all they have time for is teaching and administration. they're expected to publish too, so all their evenings and weekends and vacations go to actual scientific work
[20:32] <topyli> no thanks
[20:32] <topyli> they will never hire me as a janitor, i'm overqualified
[20:33] <topyli> solution: go help open source companies :)
[20:34] <ikonia> open source cleaning - I like it
[20:35] <topyli> cleanse your sources!
[20:36] <jussi01> topyli: I hear ISS is hiring... :P
[20:36] <ikonia> ISS ?
[20:36] <topyli> jussi01: i think they're not very interested in opening up :(
[20:36] <jussi01> issworld.com ;)
[20:37] <topyli> i'll probably end up doing that, or support
[20:37] <topyli> will not regret, at least for a while
[20:38] <topyli> also, academics are pretty forgeving. they tend to look at your deeds not person
[20:40]  * genii thinks about the benevolent universe of academia
[20:41] <topyli> right :)
[20:41] <topyli> where everybody works together to advance a common goal
[20:41] <genii> Well, or compete for a Nobel ... ;)
[20:49] <topyli> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Double_Helix
[20:49] <topyli> genii: ^
[20:52]  * genii twitches, then clicks
[20:53] <topyli> great book if you don't mind the history but take a look at how he saw it. wonderful account of an ambitious work and, well, ambitioon
[20:53] <genii> Cool
[20:54] <topyli> i'm a professional student of the history of science and ideas, remember :)
[21:06] <genii> Well, I'll see you all from home in a bit. /away til then
[21:58] <s3r3n1t7> I've been asked by LjL to tell/explain what has happened/is happening in #ubuntu. Paxt has been talking to people offtopic for quite some time, he's been told to go to the offtopic channel but refuses to listen. He's been asking quite a few times if he can have a chat in #ubuntu, but he refuses to go. 
[21:59] <LjL> s3r3n1t7: he's now banned, but please keep us informed if he does something more silly even in other channels because it smells like a rat to me
[22:00] <LjL> i.e. not just your everyday troll
[22:00] <LjL> although it's just gut feeling
[22:00] <s3r3n1t7> LjL, will do. I'll be around for another hour or 2-3, depending on how things go. Thank you for your time. 
[22:01] <s3r3n1t7> LjL, and generally your gut feelings are like Gibb's ... they're true
[22:01] <LjL> it's more like my memory fails me
[22:02] <LjL> i.e. that "Paxt" nickname rings a bell, but i'm not sure which
[22:02] <s3r3n1t7> LjL, it happens to all of us. 
[22:03] <topyli> paxt is well known
[22:03] <s3r3n1t7> LjL, sounds like someone remembers him.
[22:03] <topyli> looks like there is a special thing with paxt and you s3r3n1t7. no bans or kicks except after exchanges with you
[22:04] <LjL> yes, it sounded that way from the stuff he said
[22:05] <topyli> i have no idea about further specifics
[22:05] <s3r3n1t7> topyli, there was a long discussion about encryption and other stuff before hand. However, since he didn't want to back down i asked LjL to take a look in offtopic channel. After that he said the ban. 
[22:05] <s3r3n1t7> s/said/set
[22:05] <LjL> i'm off. watch digitalkiwi too, and i have my good reasons to say that
[22:05] <LjL> s3r3n1t7: nope, i gave them !offtopic first
[22:05] <topyli> s3r3n1t7: good idea, thanks
[22:05] <LjL> also, he CTCP'd me repeatedly
[22:05] <LjL> that's what i asked him to stop doing, earlier
[22:06] <s3r3n1t7> topyli, my main reason for asking LjL to take a look there was because he wrote netherlands as neichterlands, which can be taken offensive in 2 ways. 
[22:06] <LjL> i just call it dutchland
[22:06] <topyli> eh
[22:06] <topyli> well i can see that
[22:07] <topyli> i can only babysit -offtopic though
[22:07] <s3r3n1t7> LjL, there's no prob with that. neichterlands is way to similar to 2 words which i take offense to.
[22:08] <s3r3n1t7> LjL, and well i am dutch, so cant see how dutchland or something like that can be taken wrong. 
[22:09] <LjL> the you-know-which-channel trolls are really getting on my nerves
[22:09] <jussi01> LjL: part it then...
[22:09] <jussi01> ...
[22:10] <LjL> jussi01: i'm not in it.
[22:10] <LjL> they're in #ubuntu, on the other hand.
[22:10] <jussi01> LjL: ahh... me neither...
[22:10] <LjL> and i DO believe freenode has a clear policy against trollpit channels
[22:10] <LjL> and when their ops ARE around, there's seriously no excuse
[22:11] <LjL> jussi01: also, i'm probably not talking about the channel you think i'm talking about
[22:11] <s3r3n1t7> LjL, i may just be pure dumb in this case ... but what channel would this all be about?
[22:11] <jussi01> LjL: quite possibly...
[22:11] <LjL> s3r3n1t7: there's a reason why i didn't mention names :)
[22:11] <s3r3n1t7> LjL, there's a reason for everything ... but now i'm just curious 
[22:12] <LjL> you'll have to live with it
[22:12] <s3r3n1t7> LjL, i guess so. Didn't you have to go somewhere? :p
[22:12] <LjL> yeah
[22:22] <topyli> hmmm s3r3n1t7, do you have some other business here? you might want to part the channel if you don't
[22:23] <topyli> we need it for work you know, to talk with nasties
[22:24] <s3r3n1t7> topyli, ah right, my apologies. I'm fine for the rest, have fun talking with the nasties (would be fun to see you handle them)
[22:24] <topyli> hehe
[22:24] <s3r3n1t7> topyli, best of luck. I'll be sure to poke you if i see one. 
[22:24] <topyli> thanks
[22:43] <bazhang> dingding finally went overboard in #kubuntu I see
[23:18] <Lenin_Cat> I made a more regulated politics channel ##politicaltalk could you add it to the !politics factoid
[23:22] <bazhang> Lenin_Cat, thanks for the suggestion
[23:24] <bazhang> Lenin_Cat, please dont idle here if you have no further business
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[23:46] <bazhang> :/
[23:50] <topyli> grant-a made a mistake, it's all okay
[23:51] <bazhang> he just spouts stuff like that day in and day out
[23:54] <topyli> yes he is generally a bit unstable
[23:54] <topyli> or dumb, i don't know
[23:54] <topyli> which is not a crime :)
[23:56] <topyli> iirc i have kicked him from -ot a couple of times, or been close to doing it. can't be sure now
[23:57] <bazhang> its just that some people actually studied this stuff in school, and he never acknowledges error, but just keeps on going
[23:57] <topyli> there is a similarity with mikem, can't put a finger on it
[23:57] <bazhang> its not a crime but annoying as heck.
[23:57] <topyli> indeed, even he must have been to school