[00:21] stupid question i'm sure, virsh is giving me an error 'network not found br0'... failed to start [00:21] yet ifconfig br0 shows the right stats [00:23] how did you define your bridge in /etc/network/interfaces ? [00:24] lemme pastie [00:24] http://gist.github.com/86461 [00:24] not using nat here, just regular routing [00:24] hopefully that doesn't complicate things. [00:24] and eth0 is manual static with no settings [00:25] iface eth0 inet manual [00:25] running jaunty (apt-get update current) [00:27] what is giving you the 'failed to start' ? [00:28] virsh start 'dev' [00:28] or virsh start 'ubuntu' [00:28] * Damm obviously will dig in the docs more [00:28] because clearly my network isn't what it's expecting [00:30] so I'm assuming you want it to connect to a bridged interface of some defined name? [00:30] yep [00:31] ideally eth0 [00:31] well, you're only bridge port is eth0; you don't want another one? [00:31] as in: bridge_ports eth0 virtual0? [00:32] so there are two interfaces both using the defined address, netmask, etc\ [00:33] nope not another [00:33] unless you can give me a reason [00:34] * Damm has gone over the Ubuntu KVM docs quite well, and it's just not giving me the details i'm trying to find sadly. [00:34] ok so you want it for virtualization [00:34] * Damm nods [00:35] well, the second port on the bridge will allow the virtualized OS to connect to the network as it's own entity [00:35] no NAT traversal through the host [00:35] so basically, doing bridge_ports eth0 virtual0 virtual1/etc [00:35] would be better [00:35] your saying [00:35] Would you also want proxy ARP? [00:35] well, it's how you make a second port on your bridge0 [00:35] besides eth0 [00:35] ah right [00:36] Damm: obviously a bridge of only one thing doesn't make much sense [00:37] twb, well then please by all means point me somewhere I can fill in the blanks... because I don't want a 'answer' [00:37] I want to learn. [00:40] I set up virtualbox (open source edition) through https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VirtualBox#Networking [00:40] it documented setting up the bridge, with the second or more bridge point creation [00:40] it's followed by virtualbox-specific stuff after that though [00:51] interesting, yes. [00:57] I guess I wasn't thinking that way when I read it, I was thinking it would attach to br0 (kvm) and like vmware allow multiple 'guests' to read that. [00:57] so link helped? [00:58] i need to find better documentation on configuring /etc/network/interfaces [00:58] that's what I was thinking. [00:58] I see a ton of arbitrary settings in these examples with no information on what they are related to [00:59] like bridge_fd 9, bridge_hello 2 [00:59] bridge_stp makes sense to me thankfully [00:59] where did you get those from anyhow? [01:00] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KVM/Networking [01:01] I am reading this now [01:01] and laughing at myself for following it [01:02] * Damm shakes his head [01:02] unblessedTurnip, my error has nothing to do with what you linked at all. [01:02] but thank you for trying :) [01:02] I thought it might be because the virtualizer expected a seperate bridge interface beyond br0, but oh well [01:03] no [01:03] the instructions in that wiki tell you to modify the network 'name' to br0 [01:03] the problem is we then do not define the network 'br0' in kvm [01:03] it's not looking for ifconfig br0, or eth0, or /dev [01:03] it's looking for an xml config for the network 'br0' [01:03] oh [01:03] and thus the utter failure begins [01:04] alright then :| [01:04] it's funny now yes? [01:04] yea [01:05] best of luck with KVM [01:05] well, once this is done and I document it... it's something for my company to go forward [01:05] and it's nice padding on the resume [01:05] designed and deployed a mixed architecture using kvm in a production enviroment, built monitoring systems around it, blah blah [01:06] interesting; i hope the monitoring tools are good :P [01:06] They will be. [01:06] as long as you can handle a wrapper to read the JSON [01:06] and that's trivial with perl or ruby or python [01:07] i'll probably be the only guy at our network ops centre that could do that :P [01:07] but now i'm going to shower feeling accomplished because I defeated a wiki! [01:07] haha [01:07] oh I feel that way all the time [01:08] only reason i'm looking at KVM right now is because Xen is on the deprecated list [01:08] we're going to use Xen for a year or two, but I'd like to have all the tools and migration path for KVM set once we feel KVM is ready to use. [01:08] Damm: do you have specific problems with kvm? [01:08] twb, not anymore [01:08] :) [01:09] Damm: I'm looking at migrating from vmware to openvz (for unix guests) and kvm (for windows guests). [01:09] pardon my french as i say this. [01:09] So if KVM "isn't ready" I'm very interested :-) [01:09] are you fucking insane about openvz? [01:09] Damm: what's wrong with openvz? [01:10] Unless you work for Cameron (spry) there's really no reason to use openvz [01:10] * unblessedTurnip gooogle.com/search?q=openvz [01:10] Xen is a HUGE step up from Openvz [01:10] and going from vmware to openvz is like... a downgrade [01:10] majorly [01:11] IME vmware breaks everything. [01:11] openvz failure 1, you cannot swapon a 'file' to add any swap other then was booted with. [01:11] openvz is a mess [01:11] memory management failure [01:11] that's very painful and stupid, can't dd if=/dev/zero of=swap count=500;mkswap swap;swapon swap [01:11] As I control the dom0, I have no need to add swapfiles within a domu [01:11] right, but with openvz the memory management is fail [01:11] and I/O performance is fail [01:12] so unless you know who Cameron is or Sprynet [01:12] ... I don't know why you'd touch openvz for a million dollars [01:12] (that's the company that started using openvz/championed it or whatever) [01:13] does virtualbox still not provide 64-bit host virtualization? [01:14] disregard last; Damm: what made you choose KVM as an upgrade path in particular? [01:16] unblessedTurnip, based on kernel support and it being maintained by the 'mainline' kernel tree [01:17] So Ideally I won't have to worry much about tainted drivers, or drivers not working in kvm because of 'x' reason... [01:17] so only thing I need is qemu, kvm package, and libvirt or another way to manage the guests [01:18] so the kqemu kernel module is included then? [01:18] or is it required with KVM? [01:19] not sure on that [01:19] but it's in jaunty's repos [01:19] and for me I look for what's being supported by companies in the next 6months-1year. [01:19] alright. last time I played with it was like 7.10, and had to be built by hand [01:19] nah with jaunty it's insanely easy [01:20] I'm back one step for the LTS [01:20] install the meta package, and make sure you can load the kernel module kvm-intel [01:20] and configure networking and go [01:20] yeah i'm using the LTS with Xen [01:20] but i'm also deploying couchdb + Chef for Management [01:20] kqemu might be depricated in favor of kvm-intel module now [01:21] * unblessedTurnip must research [01:21] so I made my chef server jaunty, and i'm gonna give my coworkers a taste of it while we test it [01:21] i believe so [01:21] kvm-intel is in the regular kernel images [01:21] alright, interesting [01:22] AFAICT kqemu is only for people who can't use VT -- either because the CPU doesn't support it, or because some other virtualization system on the same host is hogging it [01:23] that makes sense [01:23] And kqemu has some annoying bugs -- like making qemu segfault regularly when you switch to the (qemu) console (alt+2), or making it impossible to allocate 2GiB of memory to the VM, or making any d-i image segfault shortly after it starts with an "unhandled opcode". [01:24] fun times [01:24] interesting [01:25] so yeah I'm just trying to learn this and make it go [01:26] best of luck. I gotta jet. [01:29] it's all using libvirt so that's always a win [01:30] Last time I looked at libvirt was when it first entered Debian, and it was an alpha joke [01:32] twb, i think it still is really. [01:32] and it really is a huge joke, but someone decided to take the joke seriously. [01:32] so now the joke is really on debian [01:33] I expect libvirt will go nowhere until someone decides to sink money into it [01:34] twb, sadly people are starting to support it in a joke way. [01:35] Shrug [01:35] Not my problem. [01:44] See, that's where I differ. It is your problem, my problem, anyone who ends up using it in the next 2-3 years should care. [01:44] the problem is we are programmed to 'not care'. I call it the Conditioning of Society. [01:45] You might as well call it the bystander effect. [01:46] I call it being a cow in a herd. [01:46] You don't have to blend in, and accept things as they are. Some of us do it because it's easier then the alternative. [02:08] so Damm what are you doing about the "joke" as you call it besides complaining about it on a public forum? [02:29] zoopster, myself? well one can start with documenting the experience, and providing the resulting configuration that worked for you so others can learn from your experience. [02:29] that's for starters [02:30] not document in 'in the drama' way like oh my god the horror... just improve on the documentation and the experience for the user (even if the user is a sysadmin) [02:31] hey, could anyone give me a little help with nagios? [02:32] !anyone > drewmeigs1 [02:32] drewmeigs1, please see my private message [02:34] i am trying to set up nrpe, but after typing "./configure", the guide says to type "make all" but there is no "make" nor are there rules for all. i was wondering how to get beyond this. [02:34] apt-get install nrpe [02:35] you absolutely do not need to build nrpe from source, just nagios-plugins and nrpe from apt and then configure /etc/nagios/nrpe.cfg [02:36] ok, thank you so much. i guess i didn't realize it was in the repos. i really appreciate it. [02:37] aptitude can search, so does apt-cache [02:38] thank you [02:44] so [02:44] vnc-viewer working [02:44] got my kvm running with networking via bridged [02:44] amazing what a little weed can do to fix your brain to finish the job [02:44] * jmedina agree [02:57] Damm: are you... the damm i know? [02:57] Sam-I-Am, OH my blessed bosum of love. [02:57] oh how I have missed you [02:57] haha [02:57] guess so... [02:57] Surely you mean bosom. [02:57] nope I don't [02:58] he's not my type [02:58] haha [02:58] Damm: you've never had a bosom-friend? [02:58] Kids in this century are so tame. [02:58] so... really... you? [02:58] twb, he's just so hairy. [02:58] j/k [02:58] ha [02:58] Sam-I-Am, really me yep [02:58] wow [02:58] how's Fort Collins treating you [02:58] thats two people from the past i've met today [02:58] pretty good [02:59] except for the snow today [02:59] I haven't seen / heard from Brian in ages [02:59] FWIW google doesn't know what a "bosum" is. [02:59] twb, you should teach it. [02:59] Damm: I don't know what it is, either. [02:59] I see yazzy now and then but he still ignores me [02:59] ha, another name from the past [02:59] twb, let's just make it a fictional name and stop here. [02:59] * Damm nods to Sam-I-Am. [03:00] Shrug. [03:00] still in #cisco ? [03:00] * Damm is just showing off his KVM love to my boss [03:00] he's digging it [03:00] nah, I still deal with cisco crap [03:00] oh brian? no clue [03:00] i get email from him randomly [03:00] ah [03:00] what are you doing these days? [03:01] Systems + Network Administrator for one of the most hated companies on the internet lately. [03:01] hmm... level3? [03:01] my company runs myluvcrush.com and iqquizapp and a fwe other sites [03:01] that facebook junkies loathe and hate [03:01] ahh [03:01] I was going to guess IANA [03:02] heh [03:02] twb, no... my woman works for a company that does phone calls for mobile messenger (which is the company behind those websites) [03:02] and they get roughly 15-25 death threats a day [03:02] seriously [03:02] I expect the WTO gets more [03:02] wow [03:03] We're just a banner company, if you have *.tattomedia.com in your block list for adblock or otherwise [03:03] well you can thank me. [03:03] I wouldn't know; my browsers don't implement iframes or images. [03:03] mainly because I had a discussion with a coworker about how we were loosing hits from adblock plus and such [03:04] so we worked around it, so that no matter what you get to see our ad. [03:04] twb: elinks person? :) [03:04] well except twb. [03:04] Sam-I-Am: emacs-w3m [03:04] ahh yeah he's safe. [03:04] we have elinks customers [03:04] I hate how the UI isn't consistent across pages in a GUI browser [03:04] And I hate using the mouse [03:04] do you have foot pedals for emacs? [03:04] you can blame the consistency crap on MS [03:05] Sam-I-Am: nope [03:05] i'm an opera user... its not bad. [03:05] Damm: no, I mean things like websites changing the colour of links [03:05] Damm: or putting images on top of buttons so you can't tell they're buttons [03:05] twb, well good news... web 2.0 has gotten rid of most of those annoying traits [03:05] Apart from Opera still using qt3 on Debian. [03:05] it has replaced it with more annoying traits [03:06] Damm: oh yeah [03:06] Damm: like I saw a router yesterday that draws the ENTIRE PAGE using ajax [03:06] oh that's easy [03:06] Damm: for its management console, I mean [03:06] you should see the pile of shit that Sun is trying to sell with their 'Unified Storage Solution' [03:06] Damm: my point is that's pretty annoying if you don't implement js [03:06] it's a very annoying Tomcat webapp [03:06] that has very little to offer. [03:06] haha, tomcat [03:07] why do I want to spend 68k on a Solaris 10 server [03:07] really sun [03:07] get a new clue [03:07] Those OWA clones are funny [03:07] Zimbra [03:07] Damm: the smart people in sun work on zfs and stuff, not the wanky web space [03:07] yeah i had a job doing that once [03:07] ... every time someone calls me up and asks if I want to do Zimbra [03:07] I tell them unless your offering 100k to start, screw off. [03:08] heh [03:08] i've read a little about that [03:08] Damm: which do you hate more: zimbra or scalix? ;-) [03:08] zimbra [03:08] twb, friend of mine just decomissioned one of his ldap servers... to find out it was promoted as the ldap master and had 3 accounts still left on it [03:09] oh the horror of that when ldap replication suddenly broke on a cronjob on the weekend [03:09] The ubuntu partners team contacted me about getting zimbra packaged properly in Ubuntu [03:09] and then email stopped working [03:09] I said "maybe, if I don't have to use launchpad" [03:09] :-) [03:10] i just posted some ldap-related bugs to launchpad [03:11] I think I can safely say that I have *never* had a good experience with ldap. [03:12] its definitely not the most straightforward thing [03:12] It's like domestic abuse [03:12] Everyone hates it, and knows it's terrible, but we keep going back to it [03:12] Because the only alternatives are, like, NIS [03:12] the problem with LDAP is what it is, and how people use it. [03:13] nss_ldap is horrible, you should use nss_ldapd if you don't... please shoot yourself now [03:13] They're both horrible [03:13] i can't say i have started to use launchpad yet... I'm sure i'll hate it [03:13] I was hoping to get a landscape trial [03:13] ... but I haven't gotten squat from registering for a trial [03:13] You can't even log into launchpad unless you are using a GUI browser :-/ [03:13] Yeah, I think canonical forgot to set a budget for landscape [03:14] heh, libnss on centos/rhel .. you know, "enterprise" .. causes the system to hang indefinitely if you configure it to use ldap. [03:14] Or maybe it's just some intern that made the stub package :-) [03:14] Sam-I-Am: you probably want soft binding, then [03:14] yeah, even then it hangs [03:14] its a bug [03:14] Ow [03:15] RHEL should just cash in their chips and tell people to use Ubuntu [03:15] rh was like... yeah, we might fix that... been about 1.5 years since i think it was reported. quick solution is downgrading libnss [03:15] Sorry guys, it's not 1995 anymore [03:15] i'm trying to convince my boss we should go to ubuntu server from centos/rhel [03:16] rhel is like the aix of linux [03:16] Sam-I-Am: you should point him at the policy manual and ask "so where is the equivalent quality assurance infrastructure on RHEL?" [03:16] hmm, havent heard of that [03:16] FFS, there isn't even any post-2000 documentation about the RPM format [03:16] lol, rpm [03:17] Sam-I-Am: the policy manual is what allows us users to report bugs like "don't put shit in /opt you fucking idiot" to package maintainers [03:17] And the policy manual means they can't argue. Their package is just plain wrong [03:17] Cf. fedora directory server (har har). [03:18] i havent tried fds [03:18] It is funny [03:18] smells like ldap with some twists [03:18] Like a road accident [03:18] Sam-I-Am: it's a fork of openldap [03:18] Er, I think [03:18] It might be a pure-java thing, I am confusing the two. [03:19] FDS is the old netscape directory server [03:20] Fair enough [03:20] previously AOL, etc [03:20] some old stuff in there [03:26] ah back [03:26] Sam-I-Am, i'm coming from RHEL [03:26] so having Landscape shuts up people [03:26] heh [03:27] sigh, so no mysql 5.1 in jaunty [03:27] damn i am not get any respect tonight [03:27] I might as well just giveup and finish up some stupid xen crap [03:27] Damm: you need to carry a broadsword [03:27] Nobody gives you shit then [03:28] Well, maybe one guy does, but the rest learn from his mistake [03:28] lol [03:28] twb, oh rest assured no one in their right mind fucks with me. [03:28] sam has met me, he could prolly attest to my insanity atleast. [03:28] ha [03:28] sure... [03:28] "Hey, you in that tree up there! Are you a motorcar?" [03:28] "Yes, I am!" [03:29] "What luck, so am I!" [03:30] How often does freshclam -d check for updates? [03:30] my coworkers leave me alone [03:30] which is nice [03:30] mrwes: too often? [03:30] mrwes, do you really depend on your freshness that much? [03:30] of your clams [03:30] I suggest you to use some bleach on your clams [03:30] clamav exists AFAICT to use up all your RAM and I/O [03:31] well.... I looked in /etc/clamav/freshclam.conf and it appears to say 24 times a day [03:31] mrwes: that wouldn't surprise me [03:31] why? [03:31] heh [03:31] twb, pretty much yep [03:31] mrwes: because it sucks [03:31] sigh... [03:31] only way to deal with clamav is to nuke it's databases every 50000 emails [03:31] otherwise it gets too bloated [03:31] and slow [03:31] Rather than deploying clamav, the "right" solution would be to scrap all your Windows workstations [03:32] twb, I don't have that option [03:32] But that tends to cause a zombie rampage [03:32] Only wobbly windows will soothe them [03:32] so...can I change that or not? [03:32] mrwes: dunno, actually. I don't have much direct experience with clamav (except for kill -9, of course.) [03:33] mrwes, buy some macs [03:33] haha [03:33] <-- is a machead now [03:33] Damm: then install Ubuntu on them. Woo! [03:33] sam would be so proud [03:33] haha [03:33] twb: so why the smart ass comments then? [03:33] :) [03:33] mrwes: because I'm a smartass. [03:33] blah [03:33] And I'm bloody bored [03:33] mrwes, seriously you can't update clamav enough to protect you from the stupidity of windows users [03:33] mrwes, so updating the datafiles 24hours a day is excessive to most of us [03:34] perhaps it's not enough for you [03:34] yah I need more [03:34] 48 hours a day maybe [03:34] so...I take it I don't need a cron for freshclam...heh [03:35] you do [03:35] Put it in cron.hourly? [03:35] put it in cron.hourly [03:35] but it won't save you from the windows users [03:35] as long as you can accept that, your fine. [03:35] hrmmm [03:35] last time I used Zimbra my ClamAV process was sucking up 500-1024meg [03:35] minimum [03:35] resident. [03:35] hehe [03:36] why do I need an hourly cron, when there is freshclam daemon running? [03:36] Does zimbra include clamav in it huge /opt mess? [03:36] mrwes: ah, fair enough [03:36] yes twb [03:36] Damm: yuk [03:36] mrwes, hrm, then i wonder why it's there [03:36] oh well [03:36] I wish those jackasses would just use the stock postfix and such [03:37] * Damm twitches [03:37] * Damm takes his postfix-cure shots. [03:37] lol [03:37] haha [03:37] next time please warn me before you say that word. [03:37] Damm: you are an exim4 weenie? ;-P [03:37] and no i'm not a sendmail man [03:37] yes I'm a exim weenie [03:37] Haha [03:38] exim4 > * [03:38] and you know it [03:38] and exim doesn't cause STI's (massive dirty writes) [03:39] I really feel sorry for anyone who uses *warning* Postfix... I mean look at Fastmail.fm [03:39] I remember when they went from Sendmail to Postfix because of the dirty writes that postfix forces... their load went from 3.0 to 115.0 [03:39] with the same amount of traffic [03:39] and we all know why postfix does it too, which doesn't make it any better. [03:40] i havent had too much trouble with postfix [03:43] Sam-I-Am, postfix doesn't trust ext3/ext2 [03:43] That's good, cos ext4 has a default commit interval of 30 minutes :P [03:44] i use xfs [03:44] twb, the problem with ext4 is that even with ext4... unless you have NVRAM and a BBU hooked up, it's still fail [03:44] if you don't understand why I'll save you from the rant... because you'll only make your ears bleed [03:44] Yeah, ext4 is funny [03:45] the truth is all filesystems in linux are in the same fail [03:45] once we can get to the VM and fix that hurdle [03:45]