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jjesse | upgrading intrepid build to beta jaunty hope nothing goes too wrong | 00:46 |
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jjesse | anyone else do the intrepid => jaunty upgrade on a stable system yet? | 00:50 |
Pollywog | are there dbg packages for konqueror in Hardy? | 00:52 |
Pollywog | I am having crashes but have no debugging symbols | 00:52 |
nhandler | Did some package break? I'm getting 'E: The method driver /usr/lib/apt/methods/https could not be found. ' in pbuilder now | 00:53 |
jjesse | evening nhandler | 00:54 |
nhandler | Hi jjesse | 00:54 |
* nhandler thinks he figured out the problem | 00:54 | |
jjesse | nhandler: did we meet at uds mountain view? | 00:55 |
nhandler | Nope, I didn't go | 00:56 |
jjesse | oh i thought your handle sounded familar like we've met in person before | 00:56 |
nhandler | I've talked to you on IRC before, but never in person | 00:56 |
jjesse | ah i just thought we talked in person | 00:57 |
jjesse | oh well | 00:57 |
freinhard | why isn't there a back button in case you got multiple software update notifications? | 00:59 |
freinhard | just got two, one for asoundconf and one for firefox. pushed the next button 'cause i thaught that might execute the command or give further instructions, but it was the notification for firefox. (of course i can't remember what to do ;) ) | 01:00 |
jjesse | hrmm anyone done a intrepid -> Jaunty upgrade? | 01:02 |
Pollywog | Konqueror in Hardy often crashes when I move files between directories | 01:06 |
josh-l | how can i reset my sound card? something happened | 01:33 |
josh-l | running beta | 01:33 |
josh-l | i suddenly dont have sound | 01:33 |
josh-l | nm got it | 01:36 |
lex79 | https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kipi-plugins/+bug/349955 | 01:59 |
ubottu | Ubuntu bug 349955 in kipi-plugins "kipi-plugins should not depends on dolphin and konqueror" [Undecided,New] | 01:59 |
lex79 | 01:59 | |
lex79 | he is right? | 01:59 |
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ScottK | jjesse: I upgraded yesterday. | 04:24 |
nixternal | Quintasan_: now you should be able to translate the new stuff :) | 04:29 |
ScottK | Quintasan_: He even sucked up to 'the man' to make this possible for you. | 04:30 |
nixternal | hahaha | 04:30 |
nixternal | ahh, that is how I get translation karma on LP, from the imports | 04:33 |
ScottK | Which is why vorian is the king tranlator of them all. | 04:35 |
nixternal | heh | 04:35 |
ScottK | He did the last l10n upload, so he got 14,000 emails and 700,000 karma. | 04:35 |
nixternal | rofl | 04:35 |
* ScottK is really glad they don't also go to the sponsor. | 04:36 | |
Daskreech | Hallo | 05:18 |
Daskreech | anyone awake? | 05:18 |
Daskreech | Trying to install partitionmanager in Jaunty | 05:18 |
a|wen | morning Daskreech | 05:19 |
Daskreech | It says that it needs libparted 1.88 or higher when Jaunty ships with libparted 1.8.10 9 | 05:19 |
Daskreech | Hi a|wen | 05:19 |
Daskreech | which I would assume is higher than libparted 1.8.8 | 05:19 |
Daskreech | wait | 05:20 |
Daskreech | lemme look oveer those numbers again to make sure :) | 05:20 |
a|wen | partitionmanager installs fine here | 05:20 |
Daskreech | From ppa ? | 05:20 |
a|wen | no, from the archive | 05:21 |
Daskreech | huh ? which one? | 05:22 |
a|wen | the official jaunty universe archive | 05:22 |
Daskreech | hmm | 05:23 |
Daskreech | did a search and didn't see it | 05:23 |
Daskreech | lets refresh and try again | 05:23 |
Daskreech | Doesn't turn up in Kpackagekit | 05:32 |
Daskreech | but it's isntallable from the cli | 05:32 |
a|wen | the view in kpackagekit only contains programs from app-install-data; might not have reached there yet | 05:42 |
Daskreech | ah ik | 05:43 |
Daskreech | thought it may have been another issue with the xapoan database | 05:44 |
Daskreech | xapian even] | 05:44 |
rgreening | a|wen: actually it should show all packages, however, you may need to change the Find By drop down ... possibly... | 05:59 |
a|wen | rgreening: ahh, that is how we play ... Daskreech^^ | 05:59 |
rgreening | an d I can see partition manager in kpk just fine | 06:00 |
rgreening | maybe Daskreech has some filters enabled... | 06:00 |
Lure | Riddell: reminder: digikam debdiff in your mailbox | 06:01 |
brunoqc | Is packagekit using policykit? | 07:00 |
brunoqc | Maybe someone will see this later, I'm posting a feedback (on the jaunty beta feedback page) about policykit looking like GTK when using kpackagekit. http://imagebin.ca/view/mHAgvzy.html | 07:15 |
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Quintasan | nixternal: okay, I'm going to star now :3 | 08:18 |
markey | hmmmm | 09:09 |
markey | not sure who's really to blame for that | 09:09 |
markey | but if you build KDE apps yourself on kubuntu | 09:09 |
markey | you're prone to get a build error | 09:09 |
markey | that's hard to diagnose | 09:09 |
markey | libstrigiqtdbusclient-dev is missing | 09:10 |
markey | myself I've had that like 3 trillion billion times already | 09:10 |
markey | can't we put this as a dep in the kde-devel metapackage? | 09:10 |
markey | that would make metric tons of sense | 09:10 |
markey | "error: strigi/qtdbus/strigitypes.h: No such file or directory" | 09:12 |
markey | for a user it's next to impossible to find the right package for this error | 09:12 |
Quintasan | nixternal: about-kubuntu almost finished, left harder lines cause I don't want to screw something. | 09:21 |
Quintasan | Why update-manage-kde is in gnome section? | 09:35 |
a|wen | markey: not if only some of the apps need it (i've seen many without that build-depends) ... and in that case apt-file is your friend; og doing something like "aptitude search qtdbus | grep strigi" also works in this case | 10:16 |
markey | a|wen: you're probably right with this apt-file foo, but in reality hardly anyone knows this :) | 10:21 |
markey | we get to see this error a lot | 10:21 |
markey | and users are usually clueless about it | 10:21 |
a|wen | markey: if they are compiling stuff themselves they are not real users ;) ... and we do actually want to keep the depends as few as possible | 10:38 |
markey | a|wen: good point, but then, who installs "kde-devel"? | 10:44 |
markey | if you think about it: people who want to compile stuff | 10:45 |
blizzz | where does kdebluetooth save received files? | 10:45 |
Mamarok | args, could we please have some pop up again when one insterts a CD? this is a huge bug IMHO | 10:46 |
Mamarok | *inserts | 10:46 |
Mamarok | no notification anymore since Intrepid, did nobody complain about that? | 10:46 |
a|wen | Mamarok: do you have any pop-ups with usb pens? | 10:47 |
Mamarok | and Nepomuk runs default and blocks the kio slave :( | 10:47 |
Mamarok | a|wen: the device notifier tells me that, but not for CDs, and it has been missing since quite some time | 10:47 |
Mamarok | works on other distros with KDE 4.2, so this really is a Kubuntu bug | 10:48 |
* a|wen doesn't have a cd to test with | 10:48 | |
Mamarok | audio CDs are simply ignored totally | 10:48 |
blizzz | Mamarok: but not data cd, right? | 10:49 |
Mamarok | in Intrepid AND in Jaunty | 10:49 |
a|wen | Mamarok: do you have a bug about it? | 10:49 |
Mamarok | blizzz: guess what the user tells you who wants to listen or rip his music CDs | 10:49 |
Mamarok | searching | 10:49 |
blizzz | we had this once or twice in our forum, but no futher complains | 10:49 |
Mamarok | I can't even use audiocd: in Dolphin when Nepomuk is running | 10:50 |
Mamarok | and the average user doesn't even know about the kio slave | 10:50 |
blizzz | true | 10:51 |
Mamarok | bug 102188 and 339163 which seems a duplicate | 10:52 |
ubottu | Error: Could not parse data returned by Launchpad: The read operation timed out (https://launchpad.net/bugs/102188/+text) | 10:52 |
ubottu | Launchpad bug 339163 in kdebase "couldn't detect audio cd" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/339163 | 10:52 |
Mamarok | so the problem is old | 10:52 |
blizzz | is it a general kde problem? | 10:53 |
a|wen | looks like it only happens in kde4.2? | 10:56 |
blizzz | a|wen: afair it happend with 4.1 too | 10:56 |
a|wen | so has not worked with kde4 at all probably, hmm | 10:57 |
a|wen | Riddell: anything we've heard of before; cd's not showing up in new device notifier? ^^ | 11:00 |
Mamarok | added my settings to 339163 | 11:00 |
Riddell | a|wen: not me | 11:03 |
Riddell | data CD shows up fine here, not tried music CD | 11:04 |
* a|wen makes a mental note to by a music cd on the market tomorrow | 11:05 | |
blizzz | you can burn one alternatively | 11:05 |
a|wen | requires me to have a writeable cd... | 11:06 |
blizzz | true | 11:06 |
Riddell | popped in a music CD, nothing ops up | 11:06 |
a|wen | do we know what is supposed to happen? | 11:07 |
blizzz | device manager should pop up, i think | 11:08 |
blizzz | or so | 11:08 |
Mamarok | or a "ask for action" window like digikam does | 11:09 |
blizzz | where does kdebluetooth saves received files? | 11:11 |
* a|wen can't make kdebluetooth receive files, so dunno | 11:12 | |
blizzz | i got a progress bar and it looked like a success, but ~ and ~/documents are empty | 11:12 |
Mamarok | maybe in /tmp | 11:18 |
* Mamarok wouldn't be astonished about that | 11:18 | |
blizzz | i looked there too, but no hit either | 11:19 |
blizzz | and also there is no ~/.kde/share/apps/kdebluetooth | 11:20 |
blizzz | found it! | 11:23 |
blizzz | ~/.kbluetooth4/ | 11:24 |
blizzz | this is a rather weird location imho | 11:24 |
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blizzz | ah, it's name is really kbluetooth4 | 11:26 |
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blizzz | https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=172217 | 11:28 |
ubottu | KDE bug 172217 in kbluetoothd "recieved files are saved to kbluetooth4 instead of somewhere visible" [Normal,Unconfirmed] | 11:28 |
mgraesslin | is it known that upgrade from intrepid to jaunty does not replace amarok-kde4 with amarok? | 11:32 |
markey | gosh yeah, Audio CD is broken to hell and back in 8.10 | 11:38 |
markey | not that CDs are very important any more | 11:38 |
markey | (I hate them with a passion) | 11:38 |
markey | but still :) | 11:38 |
Mamarok | markey: you are not Mr Average User :) | 11:39 |
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* blizzz writes a ff bruce willis extension | 12:21 | |
a|wen | blizzz: what files (apart from the received files) do you have in the .kbluetooth4 folder? | 13:00 |
blizzz | a|wen: none | 13:00 |
a|wen | blizzz: okay, thx ... that was what i hoped for | 13:01 |
a|wen | blizzz: do we have a bug about it in LP? and if not, can you create one? | 13:01 |
blizzz | a|wen: however, it is a rather fresh install (did install jaunty in the train yesterday) | 13:01 |
blizzz | a|wen: i have none, but i can file it | 13:02 |
blizzz | or search first of all ;) | 13:02 |
a|wen | blizzz: if you give me a bug number i'll attach a debdiff | 13:02 |
blizzz | a|wen: i add a comment to 334136 | 13:06 |
blizzz | bug 334136 | 13:06 |
ubottu | Launchpad bug 334136 in kdebluetooth "can't find destination of transfered file using kdebluetooth" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/334136 | 13:06 |
blizzz | ok? | 13:07 |
a|wen | blizzz: add a comment, and change the title, then good | 13:07 |
blizzz | will do | 13:07 |
blizzz | a|wen: done | 13:10 |
blizzz | a|wen: how can i link it to the kde bug report? | 13:11 |
a|wen | blizzz: click on the "also affects project" | 13:12 |
blizzz | a|wen: ah :) ty | 13:12 |
daskreech | Must kpackagekit have a modal box after refreshing the sources? | 13:30 |
apachelogger | a|wen: ping | 13:31 |
a|wen | apachelogger: pong | 13:32 |
apachelogger | a|wen: do you have kde svn access? | 13:32 |
daskreech | seems a little silly since it has a prfectly good message system | 13:32 |
a|wen | apachelogger: no | 13:33 |
apachelogger | :( | 13:33 |
a|wen | are we looking for someone who has? | 13:34 |
apachelogger | well, I do, I am just too lazy to checkout source :P | 13:35 |
apachelogger | a|wen: anyway, do you have time to do some stuff? | 13:35 |
a|wen | apachelogger: what are we talking about more specifically? | 13:35 |
apachelogger | adding a file to the kscd package ;-) | 13:36 |
apachelogger | http://aplg.kollide.net/tmp/kscd-play-audiocd.desktop | 13:36 |
a|wen | apachelogger: where should it be installed? | 13:37 |
apachelogger | /usr/share/kde4/apps/solid/actions | 13:37 |
apachelogger | then we need a bug report at bko that kscd -s does not work (ought to start palyback right away) | 13:38 |
a|wen | apachelogger: but at least kscd opens, right? | 13:38 |
apachelogger | then we need another bug report that dolphin doesn't like to be started with kioslaves as URL (e.g. dolphin audiocd:/ leads to an unkown protocol error) | 13:38 |
apachelogger | a|wen: yeah, you need to press play though ... which sucks :D | 13:39 |
a|wen | better than nothing ;) | 13:39 |
jjesse | good morning, overnight i did an upgrade to jaunty from 8.10 and had no problems | 13:40 |
jjesse | don't know if there is an official place to report that or not | 13:40 |
apachelogger | -devel | 13:41 |
apachelogger | morning btw :) | 13:41 |
apachelogger | jjesse: do you have kde svn access? | 13:41 |
daskreech | morning | 13:41 |
jjesse | apachelogger: no i don't no kde svn access at all | 13:42 |
apachelogger | :S | 13:42 |
jjesse | good morning btw as well | 13:44 |
a|wen | blizzz: please test that the deb here does save to home directly: http://awen.dk/packages/kdebluetooth/ | 13:45 |
ScottK | markey: For errors like can't find strigitypes.h, you can just go to packages.ubuntu.com and ask it what package has that file. | 13:46 |
* ScottK runs off. | 13:47 | |
blizzz | a|wen: works! :) | 13:48 |
a|wen | any core-devs around for an easy one to sponsor: bug 334136 | 13:53 |
ubottu | Launchpad bug 334136 in kdebluetooth "kbluetooth4 saves received files to ~/.kbluetooth4" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/334136 | 13:53 |
daskreech | hi jjesse | 13:54 |
jjesse | hello daskreech | 13:55 |
daskreech | how are you? | 13:55 |
jjesse | doing well | 13:55 |
daskreech | great :-) | 13:56 |
daskreech | how's the book coming along? | 13:56 |
jjesse | well i think, it is off to reviewers | 13:57 |
daskreech | ok | 13:59 |
jjesse | do you watn to review the chapter? | 13:59 |
daskreech | Which reminds me I shold get back to doing my plasma book | 13:59 |
jjesse | i can send it to you drop me an email | 13:59 |
daskreech | sure | 13:59 |
daskreech | skreech2@gmail.com | 13:59 |
jjesse | ok its coming | 14:00 |
jjesse | on its way | 14:00 |
daskreech | \o/ | 14:01 |
a|wen | apachelogger: putting the kscd file there doesn't seem to do much... | 14:25 |
a|wen | .desktop file | 14:25 |
apachelogger | a|wen: I think plasma/the device notifier needs to be restarted in order to get it used | 14:25 |
a|wen | apachelogger: it now shows the cd and i can start kdcs clicking on it ... but kscd can't play any cd's | 14:29 |
apachelogger | it does here | 14:31 |
apachelogger | kscd is very weird anyway | 14:31 |
apachelogger | good thing we don't have it as default | 14:32 |
apachelogger | creating a file for k3b right now | 14:32 |
a|wen | apachelogger: we don't have a better player that is actually pre-installed | 14:32 |
apachelogger | well, the idea is to rip the stuff anyway | 14:32 |
apachelogger | playback from CD is really a CD player's task, not a PC's ;-) | 14:33 |
freinhard | yesterday it wasn't. my (not that new) technics CD player refused to accept a brand new CD (must have been some copy protection stuff) so i had to use my PC | 14:34 |
a|wen | apachelogger: "dolphin audiocd://" ? | 14:34 |
apachelogger | a|wen: doesn't work | 14:34 |
apachelogger | see the second bug report I asked for :P | 14:34 |
daskreech | It should | 14:34 |
a|wen | apachelogger: works here | 14:35 |
apachelogger | a|wen: 4.2.1? | 14:35 |
a|wen | apachelogger: jup, current jaunty | 14:35 |
apachelogger | hum | 14:35 |
apachelogger | now it works | 14:35 |
apachelogger | weird | 14:35 |
apachelogger | a|wen: it didn't work earlier, I even tried various times + markey confirmed the issue | 14:36 |
a|wen | oh well, now it works :) | 14:36 |
a|wen | don't we rather want to open dolphin as that one is pre-installed? | 14:37 |
apachelogger | k3b is pre-installed as well :P | 14:37 |
daskreech | k3b works now? | 14:38 |
daskreech | jjesse: what did you make this file in? | 14:38 |
a|wen | apachelogger: no need to flash our kde3 apps ;) | 14:38 |
apachelogger | well | 14:38 |
apachelogger | a|wen: audiocd:/ aint got no mp3 | 14:38 |
daskreech | do you have a Mp3 ripper installed? | 14:39 |
apachelogger | and doesn't have an appropriate package to get it, so k3b is the better choice at any rate :P | 14:39 |
daskreech | if you do it shoudl turn up tehre | 14:39 |
a|wen | daskreech: do you have a package name? | 14:39 |
daskreech | lame should work | 14:39 |
daskreech | !find lame | 14:40 |
ubottu | Found: flamerobin, flamethrower, glame, libtwolame-dev, libtwolame0 (and 7 others) | 14:40 |
daskreech | bah | 14:40 |
apachelogger | daskreech: are you sure about that? | 14:40 |
daskreech | apachelogger: No I just remember doing that back in KDE3 days | 14:40 |
apachelogger | oh well | 14:40 |
daskreech | I've not installed a fresh thing since then so it's always just worked | 14:40 |
apachelogger | I am creating both desktop files anyway | 14:40 |
daskreech | but unless they broke audiocd:// kio that's all I remember doing | 14:41 |
apachelogger | but since audiocd didn't want to start with dolphin earlier I am kind of against it | 14:41 |
a|wen | i have libmp3lame0 installed and it doesn't work | 14:41 |
apachelogger | daskreech: they broke loads of stuff in 4.1 the flac and vorbis folders were completely empty ;-) | 14:41 |
daskreech | apachelogger: Oh dear | 14:41 |
apachelogger | a|wen: you probably need the lame bin itself | 14:41 |
* a|wen goes lame | 14:42 | |
* daskreech picks up a|wen's cot and walks | 14:42 | |
a|wen | yay! installing "lame" actually works | 14:43 |
daskreech | see? | 14:44 |
a|wen | apachelogger: did you prepare another .desktop as well? | 14:44 |
daskreech | now I wonder if you have oggenc installed | 14:44 |
a|wen | daskreech: dunno, but i have an ogg folder ;) | 14:45 |
daskreech | Is there anyhing it? | 14:45 |
a|wen | jup | 14:45 |
a|wen | cda, flac, mp3 and ogg folders ... all with content | 14:46 |
apachelogger | yay | 14:46 |
apachelogger | the solid action stuff doesn't honor TryExec | 14:47 |
apachelogger | so.... how do you deploy that dolphin desktop file? | 14:47 |
a|wen | apachelogger: you install it with dolphin | 14:47 |
apachelogger | dolphin can be installed without audiocd and audiocd without dolphin | 14:47 |
a|wen | ohh, where is "audiocd" located? | 14:47 |
apachelogger | kdemultimedia kioslaves I suppose | 14:48 |
apachelogger | anyway, from a upstream point of view it is kdebase vs. kdemultimedia | 14:48 |
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apachelogger | so, the only option is really to make the notifier thingy honor TryExec, then ship the desktop file with audiocd://, so it just doesn't get shown when dolphin is not installed | 14:49 |
daskreech | Why would dolphin not be installed? | 14:51 |
apachelogger | because someone wants to use konqueror | 14:51 |
daskreech | so just call default filemanager | 14:52 |
apachelogger | or doesn't have kdebase at all, but only kdebase-workspace | 14:52 |
apachelogger | daskreech: default file manager does not support audiocd:// | 14:52 |
a|wen | apachelogger: "xdg-open audiocd:/" | 14:52 |
apachelogger | http://aplg.kollide.net/screencasts/audiocd-options.ogv | 14:53 |
daskreech | jjesse: ettrich has two Ts | 14:55 |
a|wen | apachelogger: looks good | 14:55 |
apachelogger | a|wen: http://aplg.kollide.net/tmp/dolphin-open-audiocd.desktop | 14:56 |
apachelogger | probably should be distributed along audiocd, and whatever package it comes in should at least suggest dolphin | 14:56 |
apachelogger | a|wen: http://aplg.kollide.net/tmp/k3b-rip-audiocd.desktop ... to be distributed inside k3b's main package | 14:56 |
apachelogger | maybe I should add a german translation, since launchpad will not take care of it? :P | 14:57 |
apachelogger | anyway | 14:57 |
apachelogger | a|wen: the k3b file can be sent to trueg directly, or maybe via a bug report, but I assume a personal mail is going to be faster for getting it into k3b trunk | 14:57 |
apachelogger | markey: http://aplg.kollide.net/screencasts/audiocd-options.ogv ... for some reason dolphin works now here | 14:58 |
a|wen | apachelogger: i'll send a mail to trueg ... and i'll try to get the two others into the kde 4.2.2 packaging | 15:00 |
apachelogger | the two others also need to go upstream, so at least a bug report should be filed | 15:00 |
apachelogger | maybe I feel like comitting them tomorrow ;-) | 15:01 |
a|wen | apachelogger: if you have svn access, then please do :) | 15:01 |
apachelogger | I have access, but no checkout | 15:01 |
apachelogger | + I'd need to fiddle with cmake and possibly folders | 15:01 |
apachelogger | *shudder* | 15:01 |
* a|wen have a kde3.5 checkout but doesn't suppose that helps | 15:04 | |
a|wen | ScottK: you've been looking at kdebluetooth earlier ... if you could have a look at bug 334136 when you have time | 15:05 |
ubottu | Launchpad bug 334136 in kdebluetooth "kbluetooth4 saves received files to ~/.kbluetooth4" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/334136 | 15:05 |
daskreech | jjesse: Should probably mention LGPL licensing as well :) | 15:05 |
* a|wen goes to find some food | 15:06 | |
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apachelogger | a|wen: do we have a bug yet? :P | 15:09 |
apachelogger | kde rev 946002 | 15:12 |
ubottu | http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/?rev=946002&view=rev | svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk -r 946002 | 15:12 |
apachelogger | a|wen: ^ | 15:12 |
a|wen | apachelogger: yay! | 15:28 |
* a|wen goes looking for a bug | 15:28 | |
a|wen | nope, can't find any bugs about it | 15:32 |
a|wen | apachelogger: bug 339163 | 15:34 |
ubottu | Launchpad bug 339163 in kdebase "couldn't detect audio cd" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/339163 | 15:34 |
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apachelogger | a|wen: sounds like it ... please fix it in the k3b change | 15:37 |
apachelogger | 4.2 doesn't come with any action to be used on audiocds so as a result the device notifier doesn't pop up | 15:38 |
a|wen | apachelogger: i'll add a task for kdemultimedia / k3b respectively and make sure it gets fixed | 15:38 |
apachelogger | ok :) | 15:39 |
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ScottK | a|wen: Looks sane. | 16:11 |
a|wen | i hoped so :) | 16:12 |
a|wen | tested and works for one that can actually receive files via bluetooth ... i am not in that luck position | 16:13 |
ScottK | Test building now .... | 16:14 |
blizzz | a|wen: how does it fail for you? | 16:14 |
a|wen | blizzz: i've associated the two devices, but nothing happens when i try to send; nothing moves, changes or pops up | 16:15 |
blizzz | a|wen: associated with the device manager? | 16:16 |
a|wen | blizzz: jup | 16:16 |
blizzz | a|wen: try without it | 16:17 |
blizzz | just send the file to your pc | 16:17 |
a|wen | blizzz: also tried without having them associated ... no change | 16:17 |
a|wen | blizzz: can i have you try to run the kbluetooth4 from command line and receive a file and pastebin the output you get? (i have something i can't figure out if looks strange) | 16:18 |
blizzz | a|wen: sure | 16:19 |
sebas | Does kubuntu install something for the networkmanager plasmoid in /etc/dbus ? | 16:21 |
* ScottK looks | 16:21 | |
blizzz | a|wen: http://pastebin.kubuntu-de.org/704 | 16:21 |
sebas | Apparently, my networkmanager reports that it's connected to an access point, while it doesn't find any active connections | 16:21 |
* smarter has /etc/dbus-1/system.d/NetworkManager.conf and /etc/dbus-1/system.d/NetworkManager-kde4.conf | 16:21 | |
smarter | along with a bunch of nm-* | 16:22 |
sebas | So I can't really debug problems with matching connections in NetworkManager and UI | 16:22 |
sebas | smarter: can you post the latter? | 16:22 |
smarter | the -kde4? | 16:22 |
blizzz | a|wen: begin of file transfer in line 24 | 16:22 |
* ScottK has similar. | 16:23 | |
sebas | yes, the -kde4 please | 16:23 |
smarter | sebas: http://pastebin.com/m51ed22f4 | 16:23 |
sebas | I've this suspicion that it works for everybody but me, and that there are some displaying bugs you only see when it works properly | 16:24 |
sebas | so it's kind of hard to reproduce that | 16:24 |
ScottK | That file is from the plasmoid. | 16:24 |
smarter | yup | 16:24 |
a|wen | blizzz: looks exactly like mine until that point... wondered if ObexServer: "00:00:00:00:00:00" was meant to be that way, but looks like it | 16:25 |
blizzz | a|wen: maybe it is a bug in the output, the settings dialog gives a wunderful unqiue mac adress | 16:26 |
sebas | smarter: ok, thanks, it's the same here | 16:26 |
sebas | :( | 16:26 |
sebas | Is there anybody who can test the networkmanager from trunk? | 16:26 |
sebas | I've added some debug code that should make it clearer what's going on | 16:27 |
a|wen | blizzz: not unlikely ... but the output is from the obexserver, which the kbluetooth starts, so might be genuine enough | 16:28 |
ScottK | a|wen: Uploaded. Thank you for your contribution to Kubuntu. | 16:30 |
a|wen | ScottK: thx! | 16:30 |
blizzz | a|wen: it works here however. although, with intrepid it did not, dunno if there is a newer version new, i used 4.2.1 then | 16:31 |
a|wen | blizzz: it's the same version of kbluetooth at least ... but bluetooth not being completely broken was fixed around when kde4.2 arrived | 16:32 |
blizzz | a|wen: maybe it just need to be more unbrokened *shrug* | 16:36 |
a|wen | until opensync starts working with kde4 i don't really care much personally | 16:37 |
blizzz | i just wondered if it works now, though i don't need it either | 16:40 |
a|wen | blizzz: it works now ... and soon you get files in a non-hidden folder ;) | 16:41 |
blizzz | a|wen: i do now, actually, which is your "fault" ;) | 16:42 |
* a|wen is terribly "sorry" | 16:42 | |
ScottK | The bluetooth solid patches with KDE 4.1 in intrepid-updates and KDE 4.2 in intrepid-backports/jaunty are the same. | 16:43 |
blizzz | a|wen: i don't bear a grudge ;) | 16:43 |
Xand3r | hey ho | 17:23 |
Xand3r | i everytime used kdebase-workspace-dev as build-depend for plasmoids, is that correct or to much? | 17:24 |
Xand3r | and can i still use that in jaunty? | 17:25 |
Xand3r | smarter: hi | 17:25 |
Xand3r | maybe you can help me? | 17:25 |
smarter | look at how other plasmoids do it | 17:26 |
daskreech | hi rickspencer3 | 17:30 |
daskreech | OO.o is sitll kde3 correct? | 17:32 |
rickspencer3 | daskreech: I believe that in terms of the file dialogs, yes | 17:32 |
rickspencer3 | ping calc on #ubuntu-desktop for the full story | 17:32 |
sebas | Anybody who can test the networkmanager plasmoid from KDE's trunk? | 17:33 |
rickspencer3 | but I believe that the patch for KDE 4 dialogs was not buildable, or not stable or something? | 17:33 |
daskreech | rickspencer3: Ok Cool. How areyou? | 17:33 |
rickspencer3 | I'm good | 17:33 |
daskreech | rickspencer3: Yeah I heard OO.o turned it off for auto builds | 17:33 |
rickspencer3 | it's crazy, but I feel good about the beta, so far | 17:33 |
daskreech | OO.o beta? | 17:34 |
rickspencer3 | I'm worried about x and intel | 17:34 |
rickspencer3 | no, I meant Jaunty beta :) | 17:34 |
daskreech | X sucks | 17:34 |
daskreech | :-( | 17:34 |
rickspencer3 | lol | 17:34 |
rickspencer3 | the problem is that the hardware is a moving target | 17:34 |
daskreech | It's really worrying to me that it has no alternatives | 17:34 |
rickspencer3 | changes very quickly, and it's hard to support old and new hardware at the same time | 17:35 |
daskreech | Well for almost all other aspects of the UNIX stack you can choose something else based on some criteria | 17:35 |
rickspencer3 | it's open source | 17:35 |
rickspencer3 | start a project | 17:35 |
rickspencer3 | :) | 17:35 |
daskreech | For pretty much every UNIX you can pick up the only really valid choice os X and right now it sucks | 17:35 |
daskreech | Wayland is there but it's not very UNIXy | 17:35 |
daskreech | plus I'm rreally worried about the concept of having X have all it's config and troubleshooting tools inside of X | 17:37 |
daskreech | But I guess we shall go along for teh ride | 17:37 |
daskreech | rickspencer3: How's feedback been so far on Jaunty? | 17:38 |
a|wen | sebas: do you have a deb of it or is it an export, build deb kind of fun? | 17:38 |
sebas | a|wen: svn checkout and cmake I'm afraid | 17:38 |
a|wen | sebas: anything special, that needs testing? | 17:39 |
sebas | X has two problems, I think | 17:39 |
daskreech | It's not W! | 17:39 |
sebas | The community is rather hostile and badly managed (see for example the radeonhd fiasco), and nobody except for Redhat actually puts resources into development of X (companies only fix their own drivers, if at all) | 17:40 |
ScottK | Xand3r: plasma is in kde4libs starting with KDE 4.2, so it's different. | 17:40 |
sebas | And that's indeed worrying, given that it's central part of all our infrastructure | 17:40 |
a|wen | sebas: do you have a checkout link at hand? | 17:41 |
sebas | It would be the perfect place for desktop independent improvments in our software stack | 17:41 |
daskreech | sebas: I would say THE central part | 17:41 |
sebas | a|wen: svn co svn+ssh://svn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk/playground/base/plasma/applets/networkmanager | 17:42 |
daskreech | It's the only project I can think of outside of coreutils that is persistently used in every UNIX variant | 17:42 |
daskreech | So even if you jump OS you still have to deal with the same broken X if at that point it is broken | 17:42 |
sebas | Basically, the situation is that nobody's daring to touch X, so it's hardly improved | 17:42 |
sebas | true | 17:43 |
daskreech | and basically every alternative is either wildly incompatible with the UNIX stack or a joke | 17:43 |
blizzz | bye | 17:45 |
daskreech | bye | 17:46 |
daskreech | I guess | 17:46 |
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Quintasan | Why the default permissions to scanners are still not allowing users to use them? | 17:56 |
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a|wen | Riddell / ScottK / Tonio_: when one of you finds a spare moment, please have a look at the debdiff for k3b in bug 339163 | 18:19 |
ubottu | Launchpad bug 339163 in kdemultimedia "couldn't detect audio cd" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/339163 | 18:19 |
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Quintasan | Anyone here got Sansa mp3 player? | 18:28 |
claydoh | Quintasan: I have a sansa e260 | 18:28 |
Quintasan | claydoh: can you try plugging it while amarok is running? | 18:29 |
claydoh | in mtp mode or in usb mode, or does it matter? | 18:29 |
a|wen | sebas: the network manager widget doesn't seem to blow up at least ... I don't have any wireless networks to test against; but you can get anyone to grab a .deb from my ppa when it has finished building shortly: https://launchpad.net/~andreas-wenning/+archive/ppa | 18:30 |
Quintasan | claydoh: doesnt matter which one. | 18:34 |
nixternal | Quintasan: I have a sansa e260 as well, v1 | 18:34 |
nixternal | gotta have my rockbox | 18:35 |
Quintasan | claydoh: try usb mode | 18:35 |
nixternal | which I need to update to the latest release | 18:35 |
Quintasan | nixternal: try mtp mode if you can | 18:35 |
* claydoh has no rockbox for his v2:( | 18:35 | |
Quintasan | AmaroK theme for Rockbox = win | 18:35 |
nixternal | i bought my e260 last year, refurbished, for $30 :) | 18:35 |
nixternal | love it | 18:35 |
claydoh | Quintasan: what am I looking for? | 18:35 |
nixternal | you have to find the refurb units, as they are all pretty much v1 | 18:36 |
Quintasan | claydoh: I want to know if you can mount it | 18:36 |
nixternal | Quintasan: ya, that is the same theme I use as well | 18:36 |
claydoh | nixternal: they are working on a v2 port, but its slow going | 18:36 |
dasKreech | Does archos work well with Linux? | 18:36 |
claydoh | Quintasan: well mtp mode works as expected | 18:37 |
Quintasan | claydoh: You have amarok running? | 18:37 |
claydoh | yes | 18:37 |
Quintasan | -_-' | 18:37 |
Quintasan | So something is wrong here. | 18:38 |
Quintasan | claydoh: could you paste the lines from dmesg? | 18:38 |
Quintasan | nixternal: can you try plugging it while amarok is running? | 18:40 |
Quintasan | I get something like this when plugging in: http://wklej.org/id/70906/ I can't mount it, amarok shows no messages about media device :/ | 18:42 |
claydoh | Quintasan: http://paste.ubuntu.com:80/139692/ | 18:44 |
Quintasan | claydoh: mtp mode? | 18:45 |
Quintasan | nvm | 18:45 |
Quintasan | looks like I have something screwed here. | 18:46 |
claydoh | no, usb mode | 18:46 |
Quintasan | oh, ok | 18:46 |
Quintasan | both work for you, right? | 18:47 |
claydoh | yup | 18:48 |
Quintasan | or mtp library is screwd or it's mine sansa | 18:50 |
claydoh | what model | 18:50 |
Quintasan | e260 | 18:50 |
jjesse | question after upgrading to jaunty i don't have flash installed now | 18:51 |
jjesse | or mozilla firefox deosn't show that i have flash installed | 18:51 |
* ScottK had the same situation. | 18:52 | |
* ScottK hasn't investigated. | 18:52 | |
jjesse | intersting | 18:52 |
Quintasan | claydoh: dunno if you checked my paste, I get USBDEVFS_CONTROL failure | 18:52 |
dtchen | jjesse: known issue. please purge and reinstall flashplugin-nonfree if that's the package involved. | 18:52 |
jjesse | dtchen: thanks trying that right now | 18:53 |
josh-l | is there anything other than inkscape that can edit and save to svg? | 18:54 |
josh-l | inkscapes got too many gnome deps | 18:55 |
jjesse | dtchen: that worked thanks | 18:56 |
Quintasan | claydoh: hmm it's not library, mtpfs woked, but still throws USBDEVFS_CONTROL errors in dmesg | 18:57 |
claydoh | could you have a dirty, or loose cable connection maybe? | 18:58 |
claydoh | I get lint in mine a lot | 18:58 |
Quintasan | I'll check | 18:59 |
Quintasan | It can cause such errors? | 18:59 |
claydoh | maybe, I know mine won't charge if it is dirty, and sometimes it wouldn't mount (rare but stopped after I kept it clean)) | 19:00 |
Quintasan | nope, but got new error | 19:01 |
Quintasan | config 128 interface 0 altsetting 0 endpoint 0x81 has an invalid bInterval 100, changing to 10 | 19:01 |
claydoh | its all greek to me :( | 19:09 |
ScottK | dtchen: Is purge/reinstall flashplugin-nonfree if installed something we should ask mvo to add to upgrade-manager? | 19:09 |
Quintasan | argh I hate it. I don't know why it doesn't work, it appeard on new devices list but after mounting it disappeared :/ | 19:10 |
dtchen | ScottK: it's worthwhile for amd64, at least | 19:11 |
* ScottK had the same loss of flash on i386 | 19:11 | |
dtchen | ScottK: for ia32, i'm tempted to ask asac and mvo to consider removing it in favour of adobe-flashplugin from the Canonical repository | 19:11 |
dtchen | (TBH, it won't happen.) | 19:12 |
ScottK | dtchen: OK. Well I think we ought to do one or the other. | 19:12 |
* ScottK is about to head out for the rest of the day. | 19:12 | |
Quintasan | claydoh: funny, when I turned Amarok off USB mode started to work | 19:12 |
dtchen | ScottK: having the logic for do-release-upgrade would be great. | 19:12 |
ScottK | dtchen: Would you write up a bug for it. | 19:12 |
dtchen | ScottK: against update-manager? sure, enqueued | 19:13 |
a|wen | Tonio_: the .desktop file for k3b i sent you ... if you have a recent enough checkout you it might already be there; seems they have already thought of the same recently | 19:13 |
ScottK | dtchen: Yes. Please. | 19:13 |
Tonio_ | a|wen: I'l look, thanks fo the warning | 19:27 |
josh-l | can I make a plasma theme with png instead of svg? | 19:48 |
tsimpson | josh-l: #plasma would be the place to ask | 20:01 |
josh-l | thanks tsimpson | 20:01 |
josh-l | something is up with my window decorations, they look bad... i'll take a screenshot i cant explain it | 20:05 |
josh-l | something is up with my window decorations, they look bad... i'll take a screenshot i cant explain it | 20:12 |
josh-l | http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/8439/snapshot1t.png | 20:12 |
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josh-l | anyone know if there is a konversation kde4 for kubuntu packaged? | 20:40 |
jjesse | josh-l: i don't think so which is why quassel is the default ir c client | 20:42 |
josh-l | anyone know what the internal extender container widget , and the Activity Bar widgets do? | 22:31 |
Tscheesy | josh-l : the Activity-Switcher can change the Activity you previously defined (e.g. by Zooming out by the Nut in the Upper Right Corner) | 22:51 |
Tscheesy | the extender-Container is used by other Widgets afak | 22:52 |
josh-l | ok thanks | 22:54 |
jussi01 | hrm, is it possible to remove the names in the taskbar applet?So you just have the icon there? | 22:54 |
jussi01 | if not, perhaps soneone could point me to the area that this is defined so I can hack on it | 22:54 |
jussi01 | ? | 22:55 |
neversfelde | jussi01_: what abount stasks? http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/STasks?content=99739 | 23:09 |
neversfelde | is it what you need, was not useful for me btw. | 23:09 |
nixternal | stasks is nice | 23:09 |
jussi01 | neversfelde: looks like what Im after :) Ill have a look more and play tomorrow. :) | 23:11 |
nixternal | my birthday is in july, I want a Kubuntu hat, shirt, stickers...just a reminder | 23:11 |
neversfelde | mine is in august, I want kitchensync + opensync 0.4.0 :D | 23:12 |
neversfelde | and a pony^^ | 23:12 |
neversfelde | nixternal: I think there are some german translators for kubuntu-docs this time, although there seems to be no reviewer. I think it would be great to see a guide to participate in improving karmics doc. Is there something like this? | 23:15 |
nixternal | improving on the translation side? | 23:17 |
neversfelde | no, not only. We should get in touch with writing english docs too | 23:17 |
neversfelde | I wrote several german guides in wiki.kubuntu-de.org and I think that I can port them to english | 23:18 |
neversfelde | well, in my bad school variant of english :) | 23:18 |
nixternal | if they are CC licensed then we can probably use some of it | 23:18 |
nixternal | I am going to start working on KDE docs and probably going to start more time working upstream...just don't feel that fit like a glove experience downstream for some odd reason | 23:19 |
neversfelde | it is by-sa 3.0 (german) | 23:19 |
neversfelde | I do not know why (german) but I think it is no porblem to make it international | 23:20 |
nixternal | groovy...we need to bump the docs here up to 3.0 as 2.5 is dead I believe | 23:20 |
neversfelde | so how to get in touch making docs for karmic? | 23:21 |
neversfelde | I never did this before and Riddell told me to ask you? | 23:21 |
nixternal | ya, we (me, jjesse, you, and others that are interested) will have to setup a meeting where we can see what direction we want to go | 23:22 |
nixternal | I am not happy with the current state of our documentation...we call it topic based help, but what we have done is just broken apart the old book into a bunch of peices, or "topics" | 23:23 |
neversfelde | ok, I will write them in english in future, maybe a native speakere has to correct them, but should not be to much work | 23:23 |
nixternal | right, fixing broken english is the easy part :) | 23:23 |
neversfelde | porting to wiki.kubuntu-de.org is very easy then | 23:23 |
neversfelde | hehe | 23:23 |
neversfelde | would be nice if you can show me the most needed parts of kubunut-docs, cause I am currently workin at an english version of my choqoK article and this should not be very important | 23:25 |
nixternal | actually for choqok, you should probably be using the KDE documentation Template | 23:25 |
nixternal | svn trunk/KDE/kdelibs/kdoctools/template.docbook | 23:25 |
neversfelde | ah yes, mtux told me that KDE is working on it | 23:26 |
jussi01 | nixternal: My birthday is next week and all I want is a ticket to UDS and a Kubuntu shirt... :) | 23:27 |
nixternal | hehe | 23:27 |
neversfelde | so I am doing something redundant at the moment, not good | 23:27 |
jussi01 | nixternal: so I expect those in the mail, kthxbai... :D (it is really my birthday coming up though, 4th april) | 23:28 |
neversfelde | mhh, Arthur aka blizz translated my Quassel Article http://wiki.kubuntu-de.org/Neversfelde:quassel | 23:29 |
neversfelde | and I am currently porting it to 0.4.1 | 23:29 |
neversfelde | in german | 23:29 |
neversfelde | where can I write an englisg version for kubuntu docs? | 23:29 |
nixternal | if you complete the choqok docs, then in Kubuntu we would just give a brief description of choqoK and then link to the choqoK docs utilizing help:/choqok | 23:34 |
nixternal | jussi01: if I were working and had the money, I would get ya a Kubuntu shirt for your birthday :) | 23:35 |
neversfelde | oh there is also choqok: http://wiki.kubuntu-de.org/Kubuntu_benutzen/Internet/choqoK | 23:35 |
jussi01 | nixternal: :D | 23:35 |
neversfelde | only german | 23:35 |
nixternal | though I should probably get me a Kubuntu t-shirt first. I have 0 Kubuntu anything :( | 23:35 |
* Sput notes jussi01 has made it | 23:36 | |
jussi01 | nixternal: just ask Riddell for some stickers, they are free you know... :D | 23:36 |
jussi01 | Sput: yep. | 23:36 |
jussi01 | Sput: I should be asleep but im not... | 23:36 |
neversfelde | we should work on getting these articles to kde or kubuntu, but I and the rest of kubuntu-de.org team do not know how | 23:37 |
jussi01 | Sput: dont forget tonight is daylight savings change :D | 23:37 |
Sput | jussi01: so what about the engine breakage? | 23:37 |
jussi01 | Sput: they made us get on another train... | 23:37 |
Sput | an ICE at least? | 23:37 |
jussi01 | nope | 23:37 |
jussi01 | some cruddy commuter train.. | 23:38 |
Sput | my "IC" consisted of two real old shabby cars behind that CNL | 23:38 |
Sput | those cars went out of service mostly in the mid-90s | 23:38 |
Sput | it was nostalgic :> | 23:38 |
jussi01 | hehe | 23:39 |
* jussi01 goes to bed... | 23:42 | |
neversfelde | n8 jussi01 | 23:44 |
* Sput too | 23:45 | |
neversfelde | n8 Sput | 23:45 |
jussi01 | nini neversfelde | 23:46 |
Sput | nini | 23:46 |
apachelogger | JontheEchidna: bug 349740 ... works fine with both dolphin and firefox ... + I think that stuff is handled by the app rather than the window manager | 23:48 |
ubottu | Launchpad bug 349740 in kdebase-workspace "Kubuntu doesn't remember the size and position of the windows" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/349740 | 23:48 |
JontheEchidna | apachelogger: yeah, works fine for me too | 23:48 |
JontheEchidna | I say let it get lost in the 2,000 plus firefox-3.0 bugs | 23:48 |
apachelogger | +1 | 23:48 |
JontheEchidna | This is what I've been wasting my time on today instead of packaging: http://imagebin.ca/view/4vSwpB.html and http://imagebin.ca/view/8uofOu.html | 23:49 |
JontheEchidna | weather-aware wallpaper | 23:49 |
apachelogger | fancy | 23:50 |
JontheEchidna | it's really, really rough. As in half the time you gotta jiggle around with it and clear config to make it work | 23:50 |
* apachelogger finds the approach of animated wallpapers better though :P | 23:50 | |
JontheEchidna | Plus all the actual wallpaper painting is taking a QImage of a jpg the exact size of my screen and painting it, lulz | 23:51 |
apachelogger | back in my suse days I always had that feeling that the gecko thingy should be moving of some sort | 23:51 |
apachelogger | maybe eye rolling if the cpu is busy or something ;-) | 23:51 |
JontheEchidna | lol | 23:51 |
apachelogger | would certainly give the desktop a very nice appearance | 23:52 |
apachelogger | or the gecko eating flys every once in a while | 23:52 |
JontheEchidna | It tries to catch your mouse with it's tounge every 10 minutes maybe? | 23:52 |
apachelogger | markey: a statement on kde bug 178691 would be nice | 23:52 |
ubottu | KDE bug 178691 in general "Won't put files from SMB into playlist" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=178691 | 23:52 |
apachelogger | JontheEchidna: something like that | 23:53 |
apachelogger | it's the small things that make a nice desktop IMHO | 23:53 |
* neversfelde likes his desktop | 23:53 | |
neversfelde | cause of the small things | 23:54 |
neversfelde | :) | 23:54 |
JontheEchidna | The inspiration for the weather wallpaper came from: http://forum.kde.org/-plasma-atmosphere-in-the-desktop-t-39137.html | 23:54 |
JontheEchidna | or, that is to say the entire idea | 23:54 |
neversfelde | my two over 60 years old kubuntu pupils would like it, but never miss it | 23:56 |
neversfelde | :D | 23:56 |
apachelogger | JontheEchidna: bug 297806 is valid indeed | 23:58 |
ubottu | Launchpad bug 297806 in kdebase-workspace "Cannot change password in "About Me" kcm module" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/297806 | 23:58 |
apachelogger | needs description and subject change though | 23:58 |
JontheEchidna | I believe this if statement accurately describes the state of maturity of the weather wallpaper: http://pastebin.ca/50 | 23:59 |
* JontheEchidna clicks buglink | 23:59 | |
neversfelde | mhh, we (german speaking kubuntu-de.org) need another interview vicitm. apachelogger: your spare time is tight, isn't it? | 23:59 |
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