/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2009/03/28/#kubuntu-devel.txt

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jjesseupgrading intrepid build to beta jaunty hope nothing goes too wrong00:46
jjesseanyone else do the intrepid => jaunty upgrade on a stable system yet?00:50
Pollywogare there dbg packages for konqueror in Hardy?00:52
PollywogI am having crashes but have no debugging symbols00:52
nhandlerDid some package break? I'm getting 'E: The method driver /usr/lib/apt/methods/https could not be found. ' in pbuilder now00:53
jjesseevening nhandler00:54
nhandlerHi jjesse00:54
* nhandler thinks he figured out the problem00:54
jjessenhandler: did we meet at uds mountain view?00:55
nhandlerNope, I didn't go00:56
jjesseoh i thought your handle sounded familar like we've met in person before00:56
nhandlerI've talked to you on IRC before, but never in person00:56
jjesseah i just thought we talked in person00:57
jjesseoh well00:57
freinhardwhy isn't there a back button in case you got multiple software update notifications?00:59
freinhardjust got two, one for asoundconf and one for firefox. pushed the next button 'cause i thaught that might execute the command or give further instructions, but it was the notification for firefox. (of course i can't remember what to do ;) )01:00
jjessehrmm anyone done a intrepid -> Jaunty upgrade?01:02
PollywogKonqueror in Hardy often crashes when I move files between directories01:06
josh-lhow can i reset my sound card? something happened01:33
josh-lrunning beta01:33
josh-li suddenly dont have sound01:33
josh-lnm got it01:36
lex79https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kipi-plugins/+bug/34995501:59
ubottuUbuntu bug 349955 in kipi-plugins "kipi-plugins should not depends on dolphin and konqueror" [Undecided,New]01:59
lex7901:59
lex79he is right?01:59
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ScottKjjesse: I upgraded yesterday.04:24
nixternalQuintasan_: now you should be able to translate the new stuff :)04:29
ScottKQuintasan_: He even sucked up to 'the man' to make this possible for you.04:30
nixternalhahaha04:30
nixternalahh, that is how I get translation karma on LP, from the imports04:33
ScottKWhich is why vorian is the king tranlator of them all.04:35
nixternalheh04:35
ScottKHe did the last l10n upload, so he got 14,000 emails and 700,000 karma.04:35
nixternalrofl04:35
* ScottK is really glad they don't also go to the sponsor.04:36
DaskreechHallo05:18
Daskreechanyone awake?05:18
DaskreechTrying to install partitionmanager in Jaunty05:18
a|wenmorning Daskreech05:19
DaskreechIt says that it needs libparted 1.88 or higher when Jaunty ships with libparted 1.8.10 905:19
DaskreechHi a|wen05:19
Daskreechwhich I would assume is higher than libparted 1.8.805:19
Daskreechwait05:20
Daskreechlemme look oveer those numbers again to make sure :)05:20
a|wenpartitionmanager installs fine here05:20
DaskreechFrom ppa ?05:20
a|wenno, from the archive05:21
Daskreechhuh ? which one?05:22
a|wenthe official jaunty universe archive05:22
Daskreechhmm05:23
Daskreechdid a search and didn't see it05:23
Daskreechlets refresh and try again05:23
DaskreechDoesn't turn up in Kpackagekit05:32
Daskreech but it's isntallable from the cli05:32
a|wenthe view in kpackagekit only contains programs from app-install-data; might not have reached there yet05:42
Daskreechah ik05:43
Daskreechthought it may have been another issue with the xapoan database05:44
Daskreechxapian even]05:44
rgreeninga|wen: actually it should show all packages, however, you may need to change the Find By drop down ... possibly...05:59
a|wenrgreening: ahh, that is how we play ... Daskreech^^05:59
rgreeningan d I can see partition manager in kpk just fine06:00
rgreeningmaybe Daskreech has some filters enabled...06:00
LureRiddell: reminder: digikam debdiff in your mailbox06:01
brunoqcIs packagekit using policykit?07:00
brunoqcMaybe someone will see this later, I'm posting a feedback (on the jaunty beta feedback page) about policykit looking like GTK when using kpackagekit. http://imagebin.ca/view/mHAgvzy.html07:15
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Quintasannixternal: okay, I'm going to star now :308:18
markeyhmmmm09:09
markeynot sure who's really to blame for that09:09
markeybut if you build KDE apps yourself on kubuntu09:09
markeyyou're prone to get a build error09:09
markeythat's hard to diagnose09:09
markeylibstrigiqtdbusclient-dev is missing09:10
markeymyself I've had that like 3 trillion billion times already09:10
markeycan't we put this as a dep in the kde-devel metapackage?09:10
markeythat would make metric tons of sense09:10
markey"error: strigi/qtdbus/strigitypes.h: No such file or directory"09:12
markeyfor a user it's next to impossible to find the right package for this error09:12
Quintasannixternal: about-kubuntu almost finished, left harder lines cause I don't want to screw something.09:21
QuintasanWhy update-manage-kde is in gnome section?09:35
a|wenmarkey: not if only some of the apps need it (i've seen many without that build-depends) ... and in that case apt-file is your friend; og doing something like "aptitude search qtdbus | grep strigi" also works in this case10:16
markeya|wen: you're probably right with this apt-file foo, but in reality hardly anyone knows this :)10:21
markeywe get to see this error a lot10:21
markeyand users are usually clueless about it10:21
a|wenmarkey: if they are compiling stuff themselves they are not real users ;) ... and we do actually want to keep the depends as few as possible10:38
markeya|wen: good point, but then, who installs "kde-devel"?10:44
markeyif you think about it: people who want to compile stuff10:45
blizzzwhere does kdebluetooth save received files?10:45
Mamarokargs, could we please have some pop up again when one insterts a CD? this is a huge bug IMHO10:46
Mamarok*inserts10:46
Mamarokno notification anymore since Intrepid, did nobody complain about that?10:46
a|wenMamarok: do you have any pop-ups with usb pens?10:47
Mamarokand Nepomuk runs default and blocks the kio slave :(10:47
Mamaroka|wen: the device notifier tells me that, but not for CDs, and it has been missing since quite some time10:47
Mamarokworks on other distros with KDE 4.2, so this really is a Kubuntu bug10:48
* a|wen doesn't have a cd to test with10:48
Mamarokaudio CDs are simply ignored totally10:48
blizzzMamarok: but not data cd, right?10:49
Mamarokin Intrepid AND in Jaunty10:49
a|wenMamarok: do you have a bug about it?10:49
Mamarokblizzz: guess what the user tells you who wants to listen or rip his music CDs10:49
Mamaroksearching10:49
blizzzwe had this once or twice in our forum, but no futher complains10:49
MamarokI can't even use audiocd: in Dolphin when Nepomuk is running10:50
Mamarokand the average user doesn't even know about the kio slave10:50
blizzztrue10:51
Mamarokbug 102188 and 339163 which seems a duplicate10:52
ubottuError: Could not parse data returned by Launchpad: The read operation timed out (https://launchpad.net/bugs/102188/+text)10:52
ubottuLaunchpad bug 339163 in kdebase "couldn't detect audio cd" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/33916310:52
Mamarokso the problem is old10:52
blizzzis it a general kde  problem?10:53
a|wenlooks like it only happens in kde4.2?10:56
blizzza|wen: afair it happend with 4.1 too10:56
a|wenso has not worked with kde4 at all probably, hmm10:57
a|wenRiddell: anything we've heard of before; cd's not showing up in new device notifier? ^^11:00
Mamarokadded my settings to 33916311:00
Riddella|wen: not me11:03
Riddelldata CD shows up fine here, not tried music CD11:04
* a|wen makes a mental note to by a music cd on the market tomorrow11:05
blizzzyou can burn one alternatively11:05
a|wenrequires me to have a writeable cd...11:06
blizzztrue11:06
Riddellpopped in a music CD, nothing ops up11:06
a|wendo we know what is supposed to happen?11:07
blizzzdevice manager should pop up, i think11:08
blizzzor so11:08
Mamarokor a "ask for action" window like digikam does11:09
blizzzwhere does kdebluetooth saves received files?11:11
* a|wen can't make kdebluetooth receive files, so dunno11:12
blizzzi got a progress bar and it looked like a success, but ~ and ~/documents are empty11:12
Mamarokmaybe in /tmp11:18
* Mamarok wouldn't be astonished about that11:18
blizzzi looked there too, but no hit either11:19
blizzzand  also there is no ~/.kde/share/apps/kdebluetooth11:20
blizzzfound it!11:23
blizzz~/.kbluetooth4/11:24
blizzzthis is a rather weird location imho11:24
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blizzzah, it's name is really kbluetooth411:26
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blizzzhttps://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17221711:28
ubottuKDE bug 172217 in kbluetoothd "recieved files are saved to kbluetooth4 instead of somewhere visible" [Normal,Unconfirmed]11:28
mgraesslinis it known that upgrade from intrepid to jaunty does not replace amarok-kde4 with amarok?11:32
markeygosh yeah, Audio CD is broken to hell and back in 8.1011:38
markeynot that CDs are very important any more11:38
markey(I hate them with a passion)11:38
markeybut still :)11:38
Mamarokmarkey: you are not Mr Average User :)11:39
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* blizzz writes a ff bruce willis extension12:21
a|wenblizzz: what files (apart from the received files) do you have in the .kbluetooth4 folder?13:00
blizzza|wen: none13:00
a|wenblizzz: okay, thx ... that was what i hoped for13:01
a|wenblizzz: do we have a bug about it in LP? and if not, can you create one?13:01
blizzza|wen: however, it is a rather fresh install (did install jaunty in the train yesterday)13:01
blizzza|wen: i have none, but i can file it13:02
blizzzor search first of all ;)13:02
a|wenblizzz: if you give me a bug number i'll attach a debdiff13:02
blizzza|wen: i add a comment to 33413613:06
blizzzbug 33413613:06
ubottuLaunchpad bug 334136 in kdebluetooth "can't find destination of transfered file using kdebluetooth" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/33413613:06
blizzzok?13:07
a|wenblizzz: add a comment, and change the title, then good13:07
blizzzwill do13:07
blizzza|wen: done13:10
blizzza|wen: how can i link it to the kde bug report?13:11
a|wenblizzz: click on the "also affects project"13:12
blizzza|wen: ah :) ty13:12
daskreechMust kpackagekit have a modal box after refreshing the sources?13:30
apacheloggera|wen: ping13:31
a|wenapachelogger: pong13:32
apacheloggera|wen: do you have kde svn access?13:32
daskreechseems a little silly since it has a prfectly good message system13:32
a|wenapachelogger: no13:33
apachelogger:(13:33
a|wenare we looking for someone who has?13:34
apacheloggerwell, I do, I am just too lazy to checkout source :P13:35
apacheloggera|wen: anyway, do you have time to do some stuff?13:35
a|wenapachelogger: what are we talking about more specifically?13:35
apacheloggeradding a file to the kscd package ;-)13:36
apacheloggerhttp://aplg.kollide.net/tmp/kscd-play-audiocd.desktop13:36
a|wenapachelogger: where should it be installed?13:37
apachelogger/usr/share/kde4/apps/solid/actions13:37
apacheloggerthen we need a bug report at bko that kscd -s does not work (ought to start palyback right away)13:38
a|wenapachelogger: but at least kscd opens, right?13:38
apacheloggerthen we need another bug report that dolphin doesn't like to be started with kioslaves as URL (e.g. dolphin audiocd:/ leads to an unkown protocol error)13:38
apacheloggera|wen: yeah, you need to press play though ... which sucks :D13:39
a|wenbetter than nothing ;)13:39
jjessegood morning, overnight i did an upgrade to jaunty from 8.10 and had no problems13:40
jjessedon't know if there is an official place to report that or not13:40
apachelogger-devel13:41
apacheloggermorning btw :)13:41
apacheloggerjjesse: do you have kde svn access?13:41
daskreechmorning13:41
jjesseapachelogger:  no i don't no kde svn access at all13:42
apachelogger:S13:42
jjessegood morning btw as well13:44
a|wenblizzz: please test that the deb here does save to home directly: http://awen.dk/packages/kdebluetooth/13:45
ScottKmarkey: For errors like can't find strigitypes.h, you can just go to packages.ubuntu.com and ask it what package has that file.13:46
* ScottK runs off.13:47
blizzza|wen: works! :)13:48
a|wenany core-devs around for an easy one to sponsor: bug 33413613:53
ubottuLaunchpad bug 334136 in kdebluetooth "kbluetooth4 saves received files to ~/.kbluetooth4" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/33413613:53
daskreechhi jjesse13:54
jjessehello daskreech13:55
daskreechhow are you?13:55
jjessedoing well13:55
daskreechgreat :-)13:56
daskreechhow's the book coming along?13:56
jjessewell i think, it is off to reviewers13:57
daskreechok13:59
jjessedo you watn to review the chapter?13:59
daskreechWhich reminds me I shold get back to doing my plasma book13:59
jjessei can send it to you drop me an email13:59
daskreechsure13:59
daskreechskreech2@gmail.com13:59
jjesseok its coming14:00
jjesseon its way14:00
daskreech\o/14:01
a|wenapachelogger: putting the kscd file there doesn't seem to do much...14:25
a|wen.desktop file14:25
apacheloggera|wen: I think plasma/the device notifier needs to be restarted in order to get it used14:25
a|wenapachelogger: it now shows the cd and i can start kdcs clicking on it ... but kscd can't play any cd's14:29
apacheloggerit does here14:31
apacheloggerkscd is very weird anyway14:31
apacheloggergood thing we don't have it as default14:32
apacheloggercreating a file for k3b right now14:32
a|wenapachelogger: we don't have a better player that is actually pre-installed14:32
apacheloggerwell, the idea is to rip the stuff anyway14:32
apacheloggerplayback from CD is really a CD player's task, not a PC's ;-)14:33
freinhardyesterday it wasn't. my (not that new) technics CD player refused to accept a brand new CD (must have been some copy protection stuff) so i had to use my PC14:34
a|wenapachelogger: "dolphin audiocd://" ?14:34
apacheloggera|wen: doesn't work14:34
apacheloggersee the second bug report I asked for :P14:34
daskreechIt should14:34
a|wenapachelogger: works here14:35
apacheloggera|wen: 4.2.1?14:35
a|wenapachelogger: jup, current jaunty14:35
apacheloggerhum14:35
apacheloggernow it works14:35
apacheloggerweird14:35
apacheloggera|wen: it didn't work earlier, I even tried various times + markey confirmed the issue14:36
a|wenoh well, now it works :)14:36
a|wendon't we rather want to open dolphin as that one is pre-installed?14:37
apacheloggerk3b is pre-installed as well :P14:37
daskreechk3b works now?14:38
daskreechjjesse: what did you make this file in?14:38
a|wenapachelogger: no need to flash our kde3 apps ;)14:38
apacheloggerwell14:38
apacheloggera|wen: audiocd:/ aint got no mp314:38
daskreechdo you have a Mp3 ripper installed?14:39
apacheloggerand doesn't have an appropriate package to get it, so k3b is the better choice at any rate :P14:39
daskreechif you do it shoudl turn up tehre14:39
a|wendaskreech: do you have a package name?14:39
daskreechlame should work14:39
daskreech!find lame14:40
ubottuFound: flamerobin, flamethrower, glame, libtwolame-dev, libtwolame0 (and 7 others)14:40
daskreechbah14:40
apacheloggerdaskreech: are you sure about that?14:40
daskreechapachelogger: No I just remember doing that back in KDE3 days14:40
apacheloggeroh well14:40
daskreechI've not installed a fresh thing since then so it's always just worked14:40
apacheloggerI am creating both desktop files anyway14:40
daskreech but unless they broke audiocd:// kio that's all I remember doing14:41
apacheloggerbut since audiocd didn't want to start with dolphin earlier I am kind of against it14:41
a|weni have libmp3lame0 installed and it doesn't work14:41
apacheloggerdaskreech: they broke loads of stuff in 4.1 the flac and vorbis folders were completely empty ;-)14:41
daskreechapachelogger: Oh dear14:41
apacheloggera|wen: you probably need  the lame bin itself14:41
* a|wen goes lame14:42
* daskreech picks up a|wen's cot and walks14:42
a|wenyay! installing "lame" actually works14:43
daskreechsee?14:44
a|wenapachelogger: did you prepare another .desktop as well?14:44
daskreechnow I wonder if you have oggenc installed14:44
a|wendaskreech: dunno, but i have an ogg folder ;)14:45
daskreechIs there anyhing it?14:45
a|wenjup14:45
a|wencda, flac, mp3 and ogg folders ... all with content14:46
apacheloggeryay14:46
apacheloggerthe solid action stuff doesn't honor TryExec14:47
apacheloggerso.... how do you deploy that dolphin desktop file?14:47
a|wenapachelogger: you install it with dolphin14:47
apacheloggerdolphin can be installed without audiocd and audiocd without dolphin14:47
a|wenohh, where is "audiocd" located?14:47
apacheloggerkdemultimedia kioslaves I suppose14:48
apacheloggeranyway, from a upstream point of view it is kdebase vs. kdemultimedia14:48
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apacheloggerso, the only option is really to make the notifier thingy honor TryExec, then ship the desktop file with audiocd://, so it just doesn't get shown when dolphin is not installed14:49
daskreechWhy would dolphin not be installed?14:51
apacheloggerbecause someone wants to use konqueror14:51
daskreechso just call default filemanager14:52
apacheloggeror doesn't have kdebase at all, but only kdebase-workspace14:52
apacheloggerdaskreech: default file manager does not support audiocd://14:52
a|wenapachelogger: "xdg-open audiocd:/"14:52
apacheloggerhttp://aplg.kollide.net/screencasts/audiocd-options.ogv14:53
daskreechjjesse: ettrich has two Ts14:55
a|wenapachelogger: looks good14:55
apacheloggera|wen: http://aplg.kollide.net/tmp/dolphin-open-audiocd.desktop14:56
apacheloggerprobably should be distributed along audiocd, and whatever package it comes in should at least suggest dolphin14:56
apacheloggera|wen: http://aplg.kollide.net/tmp/k3b-rip-audiocd.desktop ... to be distributed inside k3b's main package14:56
apacheloggermaybe I should add a german translation, since launchpad will not take care of it? :P14:57
apacheloggeranyway14:57
apacheloggera|wen: the k3b file can be sent to trueg directly, or maybe via a bug report, but I assume a personal mail is going to be faster for getting it into k3b trunk14:57
apacheloggermarkey: http://aplg.kollide.net/screencasts/audiocd-options.ogv ... for some reason dolphin works now here14:58
a|wenapachelogger: i'll send a mail to trueg ... and i'll try to get the two others into the kde 4.2.2 packaging15:00
apacheloggerthe two others also need to go upstream, so at least a bug report should be filed15:00
apacheloggermaybe I feel like comitting them tomorrow ;-)15:01
a|wenapachelogger: if you have svn access, then please do :)15:01
apacheloggerI have access, but no checkout15:01
apachelogger+ I'd need to fiddle with cmake and possibly folders15:01
apachelogger*shudder*15:01
* a|wen have a kde3.5 checkout but doesn't suppose that helps15:04
a|wenScottK: you've been looking at kdebluetooth earlier ... if you could have a look at bug 334136 when you have time15:05
ubottuLaunchpad bug 334136 in kdebluetooth "kbluetooth4 saves received files to ~/.kbluetooth4" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/33413615:05
daskreechjjesse: Should probably mention LGPL licensing as well :)15:05
* a|wen goes to find some food15:06
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apacheloggera|wen: do we have a bug yet? :P15:09
apacheloggerkde rev 94600215:12
ubottuhttp://websvn.kde.org/trunk/?rev=946002&view=rev | svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk -r 94600215:12
apacheloggera|wen: ^15:12
a|wenapachelogger: yay!15:28
* a|wen goes looking for a bug15:28
a|wennope, can't find any bugs about it15:32
a|wenapachelogger: bug 33916315:34
ubottuLaunchpad bug 339163 in kdebase "couldn't detect audio cd" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/33916315:34
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apacheloggera|wen: sounds like it ... please fix it in the k3b change15:37
apachelogger4.2 doesn't come with any action to be used on audiocds so as a result the device notifier doesn't pop up15:38
a|wenapachelogger: i'll add a task for kdemultimedia / k3b respectively and make sure it gets fixed15:38
apacheloggerok :)15:39
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ScottKa|wen: Looks sane.16:11
a|weni hoped so :)16:12
a|wentested and works for one that can actually receive files via bluetooth ... i am not in that luck position16:13
ScottKTest building now ....16:14
blizzza|wen: how does it fail for you?16:14
a|wenblizzz: i've associated the two devices, but nothing happens when i try to send; nothing moves, changes or pops up16:15
blizzza|wen: associated with the device manager?16:16
a|wenblizzz: jup16:16
blizzza|wen: try without it16:17
blizzzjust send the file to your pc16:17
a|wenblizzz: also tried without having them associated ... no change16:17
a|wenblizzz: can i have you try to run the kbluetooth4 from command line and receive a file and pastebin the output you get? (i have something i can't figure out if looks strange)16:18
blizzza|wen: sure16:19
sebasDoes kubuntu install something for the networkmanager plasmoid in /etc/dbus ?16:21
* ScottK looks16:21
blizzza|wen: http://pastebin.kubuntu-de.org/70416:21
sebasApparently, my networkmanager reports that it's connected to an access point, while it doesn't find any active connections16:21
* smarter has /etc/dbus-1/system.d/NetworkManager.conf and /etc/dbus-1/system.d/NetworkManager-kde4.conf16:21
smarteralong with a bunch of nm-*16:22
sebasSo I can't really debug problems with matching connections in NetworkManager and UI16:22
sebassmarter: can you post the latter?16:22
smarterthe -kde4?16:22
blizzza|wen: begin of file transfer in line 2416:22
* ScottK has similar.16:23
sebasyes, the -kde4 please16:23
smartersebas: http://pastebin.com/m51ed22f416:23
sebasI've this suspicion that it works for everybody but me, and that there are some displaying bugs you only see when it works properly16:24
sebasso it's kind of hard to reproduce that16:24
ScottKThat file is from the plasmoid.16:24
smarteryup16:24
a|wenblizzz: looks exactly like mine until that point... wondered if ObexServer: "00:00:00:00:00:00" was meant to be that way, but looks like it16:25
blizzza|wen: maybe it is a bug in the output, the settings dialog gives a wunderful unqiue mac adress16:26
sebassmarter: ok, thanks, it's the same here16:26
sebas:(16:26
sebasIs there anybody who can test the networkmanager from trunk?16:26
sebasI've added some debug code that should make it clearer what's going on16:27
a|wenblizzz: not unlikely ... but the output is from the obexserver, which the kbluetooth starts, so might be genuine enough16:28
ScottKa|wen: Uploaded.  Thank you for your contribution to Kubuntu.16:30
a|wenScottK: thx!16:30
blizzza|wen: it works here however. although, with intrepid it did not, dunno if there is a newer version new, i used 4.2.1 then16:31
a|wenblizzz: it's the same version of kbluetooth at least ... but bluetooth not being completely broken was fixed around when kde4.2 arrived16:32
blizzza|wen: maybe it just need to be more unbrokened *shrug*16:36
a|wenuntil opensync starts working with kde4 i don't really care much personally16:37
blizzzi just wondered if it works now, though i don't need it either16:40
a|wenblizzz: it works now ... and soon you get files in a non-hidden folder ;)16:41
blizzza|wen: i do now, actually, which is your "fault" ;)16:42
* a|wen is terribly "sorry"16:42
ScottKThe bluetooth solid patches with KDE 4.1 in intrepid-updates and KDE 4.2 in intrepid-backports/jaunty are the same.16:43
blizzza|wen: i don't bear a grudge ;)16:43
Xand3rhey ho17:23
Xand3ri everytime used kdebase-workspace-dev as build-depend for plasmoids, is that correct or to much?17:24
Xand3rand can i still use that in jaunty?17:25
Xand3rsmarter: hi17:25
Xand3rmaybe you can help me?17:25
smarterlook at how other plasmoids do it17:26
daskreechhi rickspencer317:30
daskreechOO.o is sitll kde3 correct?17:32
rickspencer3daskreech: I believe that in terms of the file dialogs, yes17:32
rickspencer3ping calc on #ubuntu-desktop for the full story17:32
sebasAnybody who can test the networkmanager plasmoid from KDE's trunk?17:33
rickspencer3but I believe that the patch for KDE 4 dialogs was not buildable, or not stable or something?17:33
daskreechrickspencer3: Ok Cool. How areyou?17:33
rickspencer3I'm good17:33
daskreechrickspencer3: Yeah I heard OO.o turned it off for auto builds17:33
rickspencer3it's crazy, but I feel good about the beta, so far17:33
daskreechOO.o beta?17:34
rickspencer3I'm worried about x and intel17:34
rickspencer3no, I meant Jaunty beta :)17:34
daskreechX sucks17:34
daskreech:-(17:34
rickspencer3lol17:34
rickspencer3the problem is that the hardware is a moving target17:34
daskreechIt's really worrying to me that it has no alternatives17:34
rickspencer3changes very quickly, and it's hard to support old and new hardware at the same time17:35
daskreechWell for almost all other aspects of the UNIX stack you can choose something else based on some criteria17:35
rickspencer3it's open source17:35
rickspencer3start a project17:35
rickspencer3:)17:35
daskreechFor pretty much every UNIX you can pick up the only really valid choice os X and right now it sucks17:35
daskreechWayland is there but it's not very UNIXy17:35
daskreechplus I'm rreally worried about the concept of having X have all it's config and troubleshooting tools inside of X17:37
daskreechBut I guess we shall go along for teh ride17:37
daskreechrickspencer3: How's feedback been so far on Jaunty?17:38
a|wensebas: do you have a deb of it or is it an export, build deb kind of fun?17:38
sebasa|wen: svn checkout and cmake I'm afraid17:38
a|wensebas: anything special, that needs testing?17:39
sebasX has two problems, I think17:39
daskreechIt's not W!17:39
sebasThe community is rather hostile and badly managed (see for example the radeonhd fiasco), and nobody except for Redhat actually puts resources into development of X (companies only fix their own drivers, if at all)17:40
ScottKXand3r: plasma is in kde4libs starting with KDE 4.2, so it's different.17:40
sebasAnd that's indeed worrying, given that it's central part of all our infrastructure17:40
a|wensebas: do you have a checkout link at hand?17:41
sebasIt would be the perfect place for desktop independent improvments in our software stack17:41
daskreechsebas: I would say THE central part17:41
sebasa|wen: svn co svn+ssh://svn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk/playground/base/plasma/applets/networkmanager17:42
daskreechIt's the only project I can think of outside of coreutils that is persistently used in every UNIX variant17:42
daskreechSo even if you jump OS you still have to deal with the same broken X if at that point it is broken17:42
sebasBasically, the situation is that nobody's daring to touch X, so it's hardly improved17:42
sebastrue17:43
daskreechand basically every alternative is either wildly incompatible with the UNIX stack or a joke17:43
blizzzbye17:45
daskreechbye17:46
daskreechI guess17:46
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QuintasanWhy the default permissions to scanners are still not allowing users to use them?17:56
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a|wenRiddell / ScottK / Tonio_: when one of you finds a spare moment, please have a look at the debdiff for k3b in bug 33916318:19
ubottuLaunchpad bug 339163 in kdemultimedia "couldn't detect audio cd" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/33916318:19
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QuintasanAnyone here got Sansa mp3 player?18:28
claydohQuintasan: I have a sansa e26018:28
Quintasanclaydoh: can you try plugging it while amarok is running?18:29
claydohin mtp mode or in usb mode, or does it matter?18:29
a|wensebas: the network manager widget doesn't seem to blow up at least ... I don't have any wireless networks to test against; but you can get anyone to grab a .deb from my ppa when it has finished building shortly: https://launchpad.net/~andreas-wenning/+archive/ppa18:30
Quintasanclaydoh: doesnt matter which one.18:34
nixternalQuintasan: I have a sansa e260 as well, v118:34
nixternalgotta have my rockbox18:35
Quintasanclaydoh: try usb mode18:35
nixternalwhich I need to update to the latest release18:35
Quintasannixternal: try mtp mode if you can18:35
* claydoh has no rockbox for his v2:(18:35
QuintasanAmaroK theme for Rockbox = win18:35
nixternali bought my e260 last year, refurbished, for $30 :)18:35
nixternallove it18:35
claydohQuintasan: what am I looking for?18:35
nixternalyou have to find the refurb units, as they are all pretty much v118:36
Quintasanclaydoh: I want to know if you can mount it18:36
nixternalQuintasan: ya, that is the same theme I use as well18:36
claydohnixternal: they are working on a v2 port, but its slow going18:36
dasKreechDoes archos work well with Linux?18:36
claydohQuintasan: well mtp mode works as expected18:37
Quintasanclaydoh: You have amarok running?18:37
claydohyes18:37
Quintasan-_-'18:37
QuintasanSo something is wrong here.18:38
Quintasanclaydoh: could you paste the lines from dmesg?18:38
Quintasannixternal: can you try plugging it while amarok is running?18:40
QuintasanI get something like this when plugging in: http://wklej.org/id/70906/   I can't mount it, amarok shows no messages about media device :/18:42
claydohQuintasan: http://paste.ubuntu.com:80/139692/18:44
Quintasanclaydoh: mtp mode?18:45
Quintasannvm18:45
Quintasanlooks like I have something screwed here.18:46
claydohno, usb mode18:46
Quintasanoh, ok18:46
Quintasanboth work for you, right?18:47
claydohyup18:48
Quintasanor mtp library is screwd or it's mine sansa18:50
claydohwhat model18:50
Quintasane26018:50
jjessequestion after upgrading to jaunty i don't have flash installed now18:51
jjesseor mozilla firefox deosn't show that i have flash installed18:51
* ScottK had the same situation.18:52
* ScottK hasn't investigated.18:52
jjesseintersting18:52
Quintasanclaydoh: dunno if you checked my paste, I get USBDEVFS_CONTROL failure18:52
dtchenjjesse: known issue. please purge and reinstall flashplugin-nonfree if that's the package involved.18:52
jjessedtchen: thanks trying that right now18:53
josh-lis there anything other than inkscape that can edit and save to svg?18:54
josh-linkscapes got too many gnome deps18:55
jjessedtchen: that worked thanks18:56
Quintasanclaydoh: hmm it's not library, mtpfs woked, but still throws USBDEVFS_CONTROL errors in dmesg18:57
claydohcould you have a dirty, or loose cable connection maybe?18:58
claydohI get lint in mine a lot18:58
QuintasanI'll check18:59
QuintasanIt can cause such errors?18:59
claydohmaybe, I know mine won't charge if it is dirty, and sometimes it wouldn't mount (rare but stopped after I kept it clean))19:00
Quintasannope, but got new error19:01
Quintasanconfig 128 interface 0 altsetting 0 endpoint 0x81 has an invalid bInterval 100, changing to 1019:01
claydohits all greek to me :(19:09
ScottKdtchen: Is purge/reinstall flashplugin-nonfree if installed something we should ask mvo to add to upgrade-manager?19:09
Quintasanargh I hate it. I don't know why it doesn't work, it appeard on new devices list but after mounting it disappeared :/19:10
dtchenScottK: it's worthwhile for amd64, at least19:11
* ScottK had the same loss of flash on i38619:11
dtchenScottK: for ia32, i'm tempted to ask asac and mvo to consider removing it in favour of adobe-flashplugin from the Canonical repository19:11
dtchen(TBH, it won't happen.)19:12
ScottKdtchen: OK.  Well I think we ought to do one or the other.19:12
* ScottK is about to head out for the rest of the day.19:12
Quintasanclaydoh: funny, when I turned Amarok off USB mode started to work19:12
dtchenScottK: having the logic for do-release-upgrade would be great.19:12
ScottKdtchen: Would you write up a bug for it.19:12
dtchenScottK: against update-manager? sure, enqueued19:13
a|wenTonio_: the .desktop file for k3b i sent you ... if you have a recent enough checkout you it might already be there; seems they have already thought of the same recently19:13
ScottKdtchen: Yes.  Please.19:13
Tonio_a|wen: I'l look, thanks fo the warning19:27
josh-lcan I make a plasma theme with png instead of svg?19:48
tsimpsonjosh-l: #plasma would be the place to ask20:01
josh-lthanks tsimpson20:01
josh-lsomething is up with my window decorations, they look bad... i'll take a screenshot i cant explain it20:05
josh-lsomething is up with my window decorations, they look bad... i'll take a screenshot i cant explain it20:12
josh-lhttp://img259.imageshack.us/img259/8439/snapshot1t.png20:12
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josh-lanyone know if there is a konversation kde4 for kubuntu packaged?20:40
jjessejosh-l: i don't think so which is why quassel is the default ir c client20:42
josh-lanyone know what the internal extender container widget , and the Activity Bar widgets do?22:31
Tscheesyjosh-l : the Activity-Switcher  can change the Activity you previously defined (e.g. by Zooming out by the Nut in the Upper Right Corner)22:51
Tscheesythe extender-Container is used by other Widgets afak22:52
josh-lok thanks22:54
jussi01hrm, is it possible to remove the names in the taskbar applet?So you just have the icon there?22:54
jussi01if not, perhaps soneone could point me to the area that this is defined so I can hack on it22:54
jussi01?22:55
neversfeldejussi01_: what abount stasks? http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/STasks?content=9973923:09
neversfeldeis it what you need, was not useful for me btw.23:09
nixternalstasks is nice23:09
jussi01neversfelde: looks like what Im after :) Ill have a look more and play tomorrow. :)23:11
nixternalmy birthday is in july, I want a Kubuntu hat, shirt, stickers...just a reminder23:11
neversfeldemine is in august, I want kitchensync + opensync 0.4.0 :D23:12
neversfeldeand a pony^^23:12
neversfeldenixternal: I think there are some german translators for kubuntu-docs this time, although there seems to be no reviewer. I think it would be great to see a guide to participate in improving karmics doc. Is there something like this?23:15
nixternalimproving on the translation side?23:17
neversfeldeno, not only. We should get in touch with writing english docs too23:17
neversfeldeI wrote several german guides in wiki.kubuntu-de.org and I think that I can port them to english23:18
neversfeldewell, in my bad school variant of english :)23:18
nixternalif they are CC licensed then we can probably use some of it23:18
nixternalI am going to start working on KDE docs and probably going to start more time working upstream...just don't feel that fit like a glove experience downstream for some odd reason23:19
neversfeldeit is by-sa 3.0 (german)23:19
neversfeldeI do not know why (german) but I think it is no porblem to make it international23:20
nixternalgroovy...we need to bump the docs here up to 3.0 as 2.5 is dead I believe23:20
neversfeldeso how to get in touch making docs for karmic?23:21
neversfeldeI never did this before and Riddell told me to ask you?23:21
nixternalya, we (me, jjesse, you, and others that are interested) will have to setup a meeting where we can see what direction we want to go23:22
nixternalI am not happy with the current state of our documentation...we call it topic based help, but what we have done is just broken apart the old book into a bunch of peices, or "topics"23:23
neversfeldeok, I will write them in english in future, maybe a native speakere has to correct them, but should not be to much work23:23
nixternalright, fixing broken english is the easy part :)23:23
neversfeldeporting to wiki.kubuntu-de.org is very easy then23:23
neversfeldehehe23:23
neversfeldewould be nice if you can show me the most needed parts of kubunut-docs, cause I am currently workin at an english version of my choqoK article and this should not be very important23:25
nixternalactually for choqok, you should probably be using the KDE documentation Template23:25
nixternalsvn trunk/KDE/kdelibs/kdoctools/template.docbook23:25
neversfeldeah yes, mtux told me that KDE is working on it23:26
jussi01nixternal: My birthday is next week and all I want is a ticket to UDS and a Kubuntu shirt... :)23:27
nixternalhehe23:27
neversfeldeso I am doing something redundant at the moment, not good23:27
jussi01nixternal: so I expect those in the mail, kthxbai...  :D (it is really my birthday coming up though, 4th april)23:28
neversfeldemhh, Arthur aka blizz translated my Quassel Article http://wiki.kubuntu-de.org/Neversfelde:quassel23:29
neversfeldeand I am currently porting it to 0.4.123:29
neversfeldein german23:29
neversfeldewhere can I write an englisg version for kubuntu docs?23:29
nixternalif you complete the choqok docs, then in Kubuntu we would just give a brief description of choqoK and then link to the choqoK docs utilizing help:/choqok23:34
nixternaljussi01: if I were working and had the money, I would get ya a Kubuntu shirt for your birthday :)23:35
neversfeldeoh there is also choqok: http://wiki.kubuntu-de.org/Kubuntu_benutzen/Internet/choqoK23:35
jussi01nixternal: :D23:35
neversfeldeonly german23:35
nixternalthough I should probably get me a Kubuntu t-shirt first. I have 0 Kubuntu anything :(23:35
* Sput notes jussi01 has made it23:36
jussi01nixternal: just ask Riddell for some stickers, they are free you know... :D23:36
jussi01Sput: yep.23:36
jussi01Sput: I should be asleep but im not...23:36
neversfeldewe should work on getting these articles to kde or kubuntu, but I and the rest of kubuntu-de.org team do not know how23:37
jussi01Sput: dont forget tonight is daylight savings change :D23:37
Sputjussi01: so what about the engine breakage?23:37
jussi01Sput: they made us get on another train...23:37
Sputan ICE at least?23:37
jussi01nope23:37
jussi01some cruddy commuter train..23:38
Sputmy "IC" consisted of two real old shabby cars behind that CNL23:38
Sputthose cars went out of service mostly in the mid-90s23:38
Sputit was nostalgic :>23:38
jussi01hehe23:39
* jussi01 goes to bed...23:42
neversfelden8 jussi0123:44
* Sput too23:45
neversfelden8 Sput23:45
jussi01nini neversfelde23:46
Sputnini23:46
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: bug 349740 ... works fine with both dolphin and firefox ... + I think that stuff is handled by the app rather than the window manager23:48
ubottuLaunchpad bug 349740 in kdebase-workspace "Kubuntu doesn't remember the size and position of the windows" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/34974023:48
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: yeah, works fine for me too23:48
JontheEchidnaI say let it get lost in the 2,000 plus firefox-3.0 bugs23:48
apachelogger+123:48
JontheEchidnaThis is what I've been wasting my time on today instead of packaging: http://imagebin.ca/view/4vSwpB.html and http://imagebin.ca/view/8uofOu.html23:49
JontheEchidnaweather-aware wallpaper23:49
apacheloggerfancy23:50
JontheEchidnait's really, really rough. As in half the time you gotta jiggle around with it and clear config to make it work23:50
* apachelogger finds the approach of animated wallpapers better though :P23:50
JontheEchidnaPlus all the actual wallpaper painting is taking a QImage of a jpg the exact size of my screen and painting it, lulz23:51
apacheloggerback in my suse days I always had that feeling that the gecko thingy should be moving of some sort23:51
apacheloggermaybe eye rolling if the cpu is busy or something ;-)23:51
JontheEchidnalol23:51
apacheloggerwould certainly give the desktop a very nice appearance23:52
apacheloggeror the gecko eating flys every once in a while23:52
JontheEchidnaIt tries to catch your mouse with it's tounge every 10 minutes maybe?23:52
apacheloggermarkey: a statement on kde bug 178691 would be nice23:52
ubottuKDE bug 178691 in general "Won't put files from SMB into playlist" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17869123:52
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: something like that23:53
apacheloggerit's the small things that make a nice desktop IMHO23:53
* neversfelde likes his desktop23:53
neversfeldecause of the small things23:54
neversfelde:)23:54
JontheEchidnaThe inspiration for the weather wallpaper came from: http://forum.kde.org/-plasma-atmosphere-in-the-desktop-t-39137.html23:54
JontheEchidnaor, that is to say the entire idea23:54
neversfeldemy two over 60 years old kubuntu pupils would like it, but never miss it23:56
neversfelde:D23:56
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: bug 297806 is valid indeed23:58
ubottuLaunchpad bug 297806 in kdebase-workspace "Cannot change password in "About Me" kcm module" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/29780623:58
apacheloggerneeds description and subject change though23:58
JontheEchidnaI believe this if statement accurately describes the state of maturity of the weather wallpaper: http://pastebin.ca/5023:59
* JontheEchidna clicks buglink23:59
neversfeldemhh, we (german speaking kubuntu-de.org) need another interview vicitm. apachelogger: your spare time is tight, isn't it?23:59

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