=== vorian is now known as heHATEme [00:46] upgrading intrepid build to beta jaunty hope nothing goes too wrong [00:50] anyone else do the intrepid => jaunty upgrade on a stable system yet? [00:52] are there dbg packages for konqueror in Hardy? [00:52] I am having crashes but have no debugging symbols [00:53] Did some package break? I'm getting 'E: The method driver /usr/lib/apt/methods/https could not be found. ' in pbuilder now [00:54] evening nhandler [00:54] Hi jjesse [00:54] * nhandler thinks he figured out the problem [00:55] nhandler: did we meet at uds mountain view? [00:56] Nope, I didn't go [00:56] oh i thought your handle sounded familar like we've met in person before [00:56] I've talked to you on IRC before, but never in person [00:57] ah i just thought we talked in person [00:57] oh well [00:59] why isn't there a back button in case you got multiple software update notifications? [01:00] just got two, one for asoundconf and one for firefox. pushed the next button 'cause i thaught that might execute the command or give further instructions, but it was the notification for firefox. (of course i can't remember what to do ;) ) [01:02] hrmm anyone done a intrepid -> Jaunty upgrade? [01:06] Konqueror in Hardy often crashes when I move files between directories [01:33] how can i reset my sound card? something happened [01:33] running beta [01:33] i suddenly dont have sound [01:36] nm got it [01:59] https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kipi-plugins/+bug/349955 [01:59] Ubuntu bug 349955 in kipi-plugins "kipi-plugins should not depends on dolphin and konqueror" [Undecided,New] [01:59] [01:59] he is right? === heHATEme is now known as vorian [04:24] jjesse: I upgraded yesterday. [04:29] Quintasan_: now you should be able to translate the new stuff :) [04:30] Quintasan_: He even sucked up to 'the man' to make this possible for you. [04:30] hahaha [04:33] ahh, that is how I get translation karma on LP, from the imports [04:35] Which is why vorian is the king tranlator of them all. [04:35] heh [04:35] He did the last l10n upload, so he got 14,000 emails and 700,000 karma. [04:35] rofl [04:36] * ScottK is really glad they don't also go to the sponsor. [05:18] Hallo [05:18] anyone awake? [05:18] Trying to install partitionmanager in Jaunty [05:19] morning Daskreech [05:19] It says that it needs libparted 1.88 or higher when Jaunty ships with libparted 1.8.10 9 [05:19] Hi a|wen [05:19] which I would assume is higher than libparted 1.8.8 [05:20] wait [05:20] lemme look oveer those numbers again to make sure :) [05:20] partitionmanager installs fine here [05:20] From ppa ? [05:21] no, from the archive [05:22] huh ? which one? [05:22] the official jaunty universe archive [05:23] hmm [05:23] did a search and didn't see it [05:23] lets refresh and try again [05:32] Doesn't turn up in Kpackagekit [05:32] but it's isntallable from the cli [05:42] the view in kpackagekit only contains programs from app-install-data; might not have reached there yet [05:43] ah ik [05:44] thought it may have been another issue with the xapoan database [05:44] xapian even] [05:59] a|wen: actually it should show all packages, however, you may need to change the Find By drop down ... possibly... [05:59] rgreening: ahh, that is how we play ... Daskreech^^ [06:00] an d I can see partition manager in kpk just fine [06:00] maybe Daskreech has some filters enabled... [06:01] Riddell: reminder: digikam debdiff in your mailbox [07:00] Is packagekit using policykit? [07:15] Maybe someone will see this later, I'm posting a feedback (on the jaunty beta feedback page) about policykit looking like GTK when using kpackagekit. http://imagebin.ca/view/mHAgvzy.html === markey_ is now known as markey === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan [08:18] nixternal: okay, I'm going to star now :3 [09:09] hmmmm [09:09] not sure who's really to blame for that [09:09] but if you build KDE apps yourself on kubuntu [09:09] you're prone to get a build error [09:09] that's hard to diagnose [09:10] libstrigiqtdbusclient-dev is missing [09:10] myself I've had that like 3 trillion billion times already [09:10] can't we put this as a dep in the kde-devel metapackage? [09:10] that would make metric tons of sense [09:12] "error: strigi/qtdbus/strigitypes.h: No such file or directory" [09:12] for a user it's next to impossible to find the right package for this error [09:21] nixternal: about-kubuntu almost finished, left harder lines cause I don't want to screw something. [09:35] Why update-manage-kde is in gnome section? [10:16] markey: not if only some of the apps need it (i've seen many without that build-depends) ... and in that case apt-file is your friend; og doing something like "aptitude search qtdbus | grep strigi" also works in this case [10:21] a|wen: you're probably right with this apt-file foo, but in reality hardly anyone knows this :) [10:21] we get to see this error a lot [10:21] and users are usually clueless about it [10:38] markey: if they are compiling stuff themselves they are not real users ;) ... and we do actually want to keep the depends as few as possible [10:44] a|wen: good point, but then, who installs "kde-devel"? [10:45] if you think about it: people who want to compile stuff [10:45] where does kdebluetooth save received files? [10:46] args, could we please have some pop up again when one insterts a CD? this is a huge bug IMHO [10:46] *inserts [10:46] no notification anymore since Intrepid, did nobody complain about that? [10:47] Mamarok: do you have any pop-ups with usb pens? [10:47] and Nepomuk runs default and blocks the kio slave :( [10:47] a|wen: the device notifier tells me that, but not for CDs, and it has been missing since quite some time [10:48] works on other distros with KDE 4.2, so this really is a Kubuntu bug [10:48] * a|wen doesn't have a cd to test with [10:48] audio CDs are simply ignored totally [10:49] Mamarok: but not data cd, right? [10:49] in Intrepid AND in Jaunty [10:49] Mamarok: do you have a bug about it? [10:49] blizzz: guess what the user tells you who wants to listen or rip his music CDs [10:49] searching [10:49] we had this once or twice in our forum, but no futher complains [10:50] I can't even use audiocd: in Dolphin when Nepomuk is running [10:50] and the average user doesn't even know about the kio slave [10:51] true [10:52] bug 102188 and 339163 which seems a duplicate [10:52] Error: Could not parse data returned by Launchpad: The read operation timed out (https://launchpad.net/bugs/102188/+text) [10:52] Launchpad bug 339163 in kdebase "couldn't detect audio cd" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/339163 [10:52] so the problem is old [10:53] is it a general kde problem? [10:56] looks like it only happens in kde4.2? [10:56] a|wen: afair it happend with 4.1 too [10:57] so has not worked with kde4 at all probably, hmm [11:00] Riddell: anything we've heard of before; cd's not showing up in new device notifier? ^^ [11:00] added my settings to 339163 [11:03] a|wen: not me [11:04] data CD shows up fine here, not tried music CD [11:05] * a|wen makes a mental note to by a music cd on the market tomorrow [11:05] you can burn one alternatively [11:06] requires me to have a writeable cd... [11:06] true [11:06] popped in a music CD, nothing ops up [11:07] do we know what is supposed to happen? [11:08] device manager should pop up, i think [11:08] or so [11:09] or a "ask for action" window like digikam does [11:11] where does kdebluetooth saves received files? [11:12] * a|wen can't make kdebluetooth receive files, so dunno [11:12] i got a progress bar and it looked like a success, but ~ and ~/documents are empty [11:18] maybe in /tmp [11:18] * Mamarok wouldn't be astonished about that [11:19] i looked there too, but no hit either [11:20] and also there is no ~/.kde/share/apps/kdebluetooth [11:23] found it! [11:24] ~/.kbluetooth4/ [11:24] this is a rather weird location imho === mgraesslin_ is now known as mgraesslin [11:26] ah, it's name is really kbluetooth4 === serzholino_ is now known as serzholino [11:28] https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=172217 [11:28] KDE bug 172217 in kbluetoothd "recieved files are saved to kbluetooth4 instead of somewhere visible" [Normal,Unconfirmed] [11:32] is it known that upgrade from intrepid to jaunty does not replace amarok-kde4 with amarok? [11:38] gosh yeah, Audio CD is broken to hell and back in 8.10 [11:38] not that CDs are very important any more [11:38] (I hate them with a passion) [11:38] but still :) [11:39] markey: you are not Mr Average User :) === blizzzek is now known as blizzz [12:21] * blizzz writes a ff bruce willis extension [13:00] blizzz: what files (apart from the received files) do you have in the .kbluetooth4 folder? [13:00] a|wen: none [13:01] blizzz: okay, thx ... that was what i hoped for [13:01] blizzz: do we have a bug about it in LP? and if not, can you create one? [13:01] a|wen: however, it is a rather fresh install (did install jaunty in the train yesterday) [13:02] a|wen: i have none, but i can file it [13:02] or search first of all ;) [13:02] blizzz: if you give me a bug number i'll attach a debdiff [13:06] a|wen: i add a comment to 334136 [13:06] bug 334136 [13:06] Launchpad bug 334136 in kdebluetooth "can't find destination of transfered file using kdebluetooth" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/334136 [13:07] ok? [13:07] blizzz: add a comment, and change the title, then good [13:07] will do [13:10] a|wen: done [13:11] a|wen: how can i link it to the kde bug report? [13:12] blizzz: click on the "also affects project" [13:12] a|wen: ah :) ty [13:30] Must kpackagekit have a modal box after refreshing the sources? [13:31] a|wen: ping [13:32] apachelogger: pong [13:32] a|wen: do you have kde svn access? [13:32] seems a little silly since it has a prfectly good message system [13:33] apachelogger: no [13:33] :( [13:34] are we looking for someone who has? [13:35] well, I do, I am just too lazy to checkout source :P [13:35] a|wen: anyway, do you have time to do some stuff? [13:35] apachelogger: what are we talking about more specifically? [13:36] adding a file to the kscd package ;-) [13:36] http://aplg.kollide.net/tmp/kscd-play-audiocd.desktop [13:37] apachelogger: where should it be installed? [13:37] /usr/share/kde4/apps/solid/actions [13:38] then we need a bug report at bko that kscd -s does not work (ought to start palyback right away) [13:38] apachelogger: but at least kscd opens, right? [13:38] then we need another bug report that dolphin doesn't like to be started with kioslaves as URL (e.g. dolphin audiocd:/ leads to an unkown protocol error) [13:39] a|wen: yeah, you need to press play though ... which sucks :D [13:39] better than nothing ;) [13:40] good morning, overnight i did an upgrade to jaunty from 8.10 and had no problems [13:40] don't know if there is an official place to report that or not [13:41] -devel [13:41] morning btw :) [13:41] jjesse: do you have kde svn access? [13:41] morning [13:42] apachelogger: no i don't no kde svn access at all [13:42] :S [13:44] good morning btw as well [13:45] blizzz: please test that the deb here does save to home directly: http://awen.dk/packages/kdebluetooth/ [13:46] markey: For errors like can't find strigitypes.h, you can just go to packages.ubuntu.com and ask it what package has that file. [13:47] * ScottK runs off. [13:48] a|wen: works! :) [13:53] any core-devs around for an easy one to sponsor: bug 334136 [13:53] Launchpad bug 334136 in kdebluetooth "kbluetooth4 saves received files to ~/.kbluetooth4" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/334136 [13:54] hi jjesse [13:55] hello daskreech [13:55] how are you? [13:55] doing well [13:56] great :-) [13:56] how's the book coming along? [13:57] well i think, it is off to reviewers [13:59] ok [13:59] do you watn to review the chapter? [13:59] Which reminds me I shold get back to doing my plasma book [13:59] i can send it to you drop me an email [13:59] sure [13:59] skreech2@gmail.com [14:00] ok its coming [14:00] on its way [14:01] \o/ [14:25] apachelogger: putting the kscd file there doesn't seem to do much... [14:25] .desktop file [14:25] a|wen: I think plasma/the device notifier needs to be restarted in order to get it used [14:29] apachelogger: it now shows the cd and i can start kdcs clicking on it ... but kscd can't play any cd's [14:31] it does here [14:31] kscd is very weird anyway [14:32] good thing we don't have it as default [14:32] creating a file for k3b right now [14:32] apachelogger: we don't have a better player that is actually pre-installed [14:32] well, the idea is to rip the stuff anyway [14:33] playback from CD is really a CD player's task, not a PC's ;-) [14:34] yesterday it wasn't. my (not that new) technics CD player refused to accept a brand new CD (must have been some copy protection stuff) so i had to use my PC [14:34] apachelogger: "dolphin audiocd://" ? [14:34] a|wen: doesn't work [14:34] see the second bug report I asked for :P [14:34] It should [14:35] apachelogger: works here [14:35] a|wen: 4.2.1? [14:35] apachelogger: jup, current jaunty [14:35] hum [14:35] now it works [14:35] weird [14:36] a|wen: it didn't work earlier, I even tried various times + markey confirmed the issue [14:36] oh well, now it works :) [14:37] don't we rather want to open dolphin as that one is pre-installed? [14:37] k3b is pre-installed as well :P [14:38] k3b works now? [14:38] jjesse: what did you make this file in? [14:38] apachelogger: no need to flash our kde3 apps ;) [14:38] well [14:38] a|wen: audiocd:/ aint got no mp3 [14:39] do you have a Mp3 ripper installed? [14:39] and doesn't have an appropriate package to get it, so k3b is the better choice at any rate :P [14:39] if you do it shoudl turn up tehre [14:39] daskreech: do you have a package name? [14:39] lame should work [14:40] !find lame [14:40] Found: flamerobin, flamethrower, glame, libtwolame-dev, libtwolame0 (and 7 others) [14:40] bah [14:40] daskreech: are you sure about that? [14:40] apachelogger: No I just remember doing that back in KDE3 days [14:40] oh well [14:40] I've not installed a fresh thing since then so it's always just worked [14:40] I am creating both desktop files anyway [14:41] but unless they broke audiocd:// kio that's all I remember doing [14:41] but since audiocd didn't want to start with dolphin earlier I am kind of against it [14:41] i have libmp3lame0 installed and it doesn't work [14:41] daskreech: they broke loads of stuff in 4.1 the flac and vorbis folders were completely empty ;-) [14:41] apachelogger: Oh dear [14:41] a|wen: you probably need the lame bin itself [14:42] * a|wen goes lame [14:42] * daskreech picks up a|wen's cot and walks [14:43] yay! installing "lame" actually works [14:44] see? [14:44] apachelogger: did you prepare another .desktop as well? [14:44] now I wonder if you have oggenc installed [14:45] daskreech: dunno, but i have an ogg folder ;) [14:45] Is there anyhing it? [14:45] jup [14:46] cda, flac, mp3 and ogg folders ... all with content [14:46] yay [14:47] the solid action stuff doesn't honor TryExec [14:47] so.... how do you deploy that dolphin desktop file? [14:47] apachelogger: you install it with dolphin [14:47] dolphin can be installed without audiocd and audiocd without dolphin [14:47] ohh, where is "audiocd" located? [14:48] kdemultimedia kioslaves I suppose [14:48] anyway, from a upstream point of view it is kdebase vs. kdemultimedia === thunderstruck is now known as gnomefreak [14:49] so, the only option is really to make the notifier thingy honor TryExec, then ship the desktop file with audiocd://, so it just doesn't get shown when dolphin is not installed [14:51] Why would dolphin not be installed? [14:51] because someone wants to use konqueror [14:52] so just call default filemanager [14:52] or doesn't have kdebase at all, but only kdebase-workspace [14:52] daskreech: default file manager does not support audiocd:// [14:52] apachelogger: "xdg-open audiocd:/" [14:53] http://aplg.kollide.net/screencasts/audiocd-options.ogv [14:55] jjesse: ettrich has two Ts [14:55] apachelogger: looks good [14:56] a|wen: http://aplg.kollide.net/tmp/dolphin-open-audiocd.desktop [14:56] probably should be distributed along audiocd, and whatever package it comes in should at least suggest dolphin [14:56] a|wen: http://aplg.kollide.net/tmp/k3b-rip-audiocd.desktop ... to be distributed inside k3b's main package [14:57] maybe I should add a german translation, since launchpad will not take care of it? :P [14:57] anyway [14:57] a|wen: the k3b file can be sent to trueg directly, or maybe via a bug report, but I assume a personal mail is going to be faster for getting it into k3b trunk [14:58] markey: http://aplg.kollide.net/screencasts/audiocd-options.ogv ... for some reason dolphin works now here [15:00] apachelogger: i'll send a mail to trueg ... and i'll try to get the two others into the kde 4.2.2 packaging [15:00] the two others also need to go upstream, so at least a bug report should be filed [15:01] maybe I feel like comitting them tomorrow ;-) [15:01] apachelogger: if you have svn access, then please do :) [15:01] I have access, but no checkout [15:01] + I'd need to fiddle with cmake and possibly folders [15:01] *shudder* [15:04] * a|wen have a kde3.5 checkout but doesn't suppose that helps [15:05] ScottK: you've been looking at kdebluetooth earlier ... if you could have a look at bug 334136 when you have time [15:05] Launchpad bug 334136 in kdebluetooth "kbluetooth4 saves received files to ~/.kbluetooth4" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/334136 [15:05] jjesse: Should probably mention LGPL licensing as well :) [15:06] * a|wen goes to find some food === thunderstruck is now known as gnomefreak [15:09] a|wen: do we have a bug yet? :P [15:12] kde rev 946002 [15:12] http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/?rev=946002&view=rev | svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk -r 946002 [15:12] a|wen: ^ [15:28] apachelogger: yay! [15:28] * a|wen goes looking for a bug [15:32] nope, can't find any bugs about it [15:34] apachelogger: bug 339163 [15:34] Launchpad bug 339163 in kdebase "couldn't detect audio cd" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/339163 === _lumm is now known as lumm [15:37] a|wen: sounds like it ... please fix it in the k3b change [15:38] 4.2 doesn't come with any action to be used on audiocds so as a result the device notifier doesn't pop up [15:38] apachelogger: i'll add a task for kdemultimedia / k3b respectively and make sure it gets fixed [15:39] ok :) === thunderstruck is now known as gnomefreak [16:11] a|wen: Looks sane. [16:12] i hoped so :) [16:13] tested and works for one that can actually receive files via bluetooth ... i am not in that luck position [16:14] Test building now .... [16:14] a|wen: how does it fail for you? [16:15] blizzz: i've associated the two devices, but nothing happens when i try to send; nothing moves, changes or pops up [16:16] a|wen: associated with the device manager? [16:16] blizzz: jup [16:17] a|wen: try without it [16:17] just send the file to your pc [16:17] blizzz: also tried without having them associated ... no change [16:18] blizzz: can i have you try to run the kbluetooth4 from command line and receive a file and pastebin the output you get? (i have something i can't figure out if looks strange) [16:19] a|wen: sure [16:21] Does kubuntu install something for the networkmanager plasmoid in /etc/dbus ? [16:21] * ScottK looks [16:21] a|wen: http://pastebin.kubuntu-de.org/704 [16:21] Apparently, my networkmanager reports that it's connected to an access point, while it doesn't find any active connections [16:21] * smarter has /etc/dbus-1/system.d/NetworkManager.conf and /etc/dbus-1/system.d/NetworkManager-kde4.conf [16:22] along with a bunch of nm-* [16:22] So I can't really debug problems with matching connections in NetworkManager and UI [16:22] smarter: can you post the latter? [16:22] the -kde4? [16:22] a|wen: begin of file transfer in line 24 [16:23] * ScottK has similar. [16:23] yes, the -kde4 please [16:23] sebas: http://pastebin.com/m51ed22f4 [16:24] I've this suspicion that it works for everybody but me, and that there are some displaying bugs you only see when it works properly [16:24] so it's kind of hard to reproduce that [16:24] That file is from the plasmoid. [16:24] yup [16:25] blizzz: looks exactly like mine until that point... wondered if ObexServer: "00:00:00:00:00:00" was meant to be that way, but looks like it [16:26] a|wen: maybe it is a bug in the output, the settings dialog gives a wunderful unqiue mac adress [16:26] smarter: ok, thanks, it's the same here [16:26] :( [16:26] Is there anybody who can test the networkmanager from trunk? [16:27] I've added some debug code that should make it clearer what's going on [16:28] blizzz: not unlikely ... but the output is from the obexserver, which the kbluetooth starts, so might be genuine enough [16:30] a|wen: Uploaded. Thank you for your contribution to Kubuntu. [16:30] ScottK: thx! [16:31] a|wen: it works here however. although, with intrepid it did not, dunno if there is a newer version new, i used 4.2.1 then [16:32] blizzz: it's the same version of kbluetooth at least ... but bluetooth not being completely broken was fixed around when kde4.2 arrived [16:36] a|wen: maybe it just need to be more unbrokened *shrug* [16:37] until opensync starts working with kde4 i don't really care much personally [16:40] i just wondered if it works now, though i don't need it either [16:41] blizzz: it works now ... and soon you get files in a non-hidden folder ;) [16:42] a|wen: i do now, actually, which is your "fault" ;) [16:42] * a|wen is terribly "sorry" [16:43] The bluetooth solid patches with KDE 4.1 in intrepid-updates and KDE 4.2 in intrepid-backports/jaunty are the same. [16:43] a|wen: i don't bear a grudge ;) [17:23] hey ho [17:24] i everytime used kdebase-workspace-dev as build-depend for plasmoids, is that correct or to much? [17:25] and can i still use that in jaunty? [17:25] smarter: hi [17:25] maybe you can help me? [17:26] look at how other plasmoids do it [17:30] hi rickspencer3 [17:32] OO.o is sitll kde3 correct? [17:32] daskreech: I believe that in terms of the file dialogs, yes [17:32] ping calc on #ubuntu-desktop for the full story [17:33] Anybody who can test the networkmanager plasmoid from KDE's trunk? [17:33] but I believe that the patch for KDE 4 dialogs was not buildable, or not stable or something? [17:33] rickspencer3: Ok Cool. How areyou? [17:33] I'm good [17:33] rickspencer3: Yeah I heard OO.o turned it off for auto builds [17:33] it's crazy, but I feel good about the beta, so far [17:34] OO.o beta? [17:34] I'm worried about x and intel [17:34] no, I meant Jaunty beta :) [17:34] X sucks [17:34] :-( [17:34] lol [17:34] the problem is that the hardware is a moving target [17:34] It's really worrying to me that it has no alternatives [17:35] changes very quickly, and it's hard to support old and new hardware at the same time [17:35] Well for almost all other aspects of the UNIX stack you can choose something else based on some criteria [17:35] it's open source [17:35] start a project [17:35] :) [17:35] For pretty much every UNIX you can pick up the only really valid choice os X and right now it sucks [17:35] Wayland is there but it's not very UNIXy [17:37] plus I'm rreally worried about the concept of having X have all it's config and troubleshooting tools inside of X [17:37] But I guess we shall go along for teh ride [17:38] rickspencer3: How's feedback been so far on Jaunty? [17:38] sebas: do you have a deb of it or is it an export, build deb kind of fun? [17:38] a|wen: svn checkout and cmake I'm afraid [17:39] sebas: anything special, that needs testing? [17:39] X has two problems, I think [17:39] It's not W! [17:40] The community is rather hostile and badly managed (see for example the radeonhd fiasco), and nobody except for Redhat actually puts resources into development of X (companies only fix their own drivers, if at all) [17:40] Xand3r: plasma is in kde4libs starting with KDE 4.2, so it's different. [17:40] And that's indeed worrying, given that it's central part of all our infrastructure [17:41]