[00:46] <jjesse> upgrading intrepid build to beta jaunty hope nothing goes too wrong
[00:50] <jjesse> anyone else do the intrepid => jaunty upgrade on a stable system yet?
[00:52] <Pollywog> are there dbg packages for konqueror in Hardy?
[00:52] <Pollywog> I am having crashes but have no debugging symbols
[00:53] <nhandler> Did some package break? I'm getting 'E: The method driver /usr/lib/apt/methods/https could not be found. ' in pbuilder now
[00:54] <jjesse> evening nhandler
[00:54] <nhandler> Hi jjesse
[00:54]  * nhandler thinks he figured out the problem
[00:55] <jjesse> nhandler: did we meet at uds mountain view?
[00:56] <nhandler> Nope, I didn't go
[00:56] <jjesse> oh i thought your handle sounded familar like we've met in person before
[00:56] <nhandler> I've talked to you on IRC before, but never in person
[00:57] <jjesse> ah i just thought we talked in person
[00:57] <jjesse> oh well
[00:59] <freinhard> why isn't there a back button in case you got multiple software update notifications?
[01:00] <freinhard> just got two, one for asoundconf and one for firefox. pushed the next button 'cause i thaught that might execute the command or give further instructions, but it was the notification for firefox. (of course i can't remember what to do ;) )
[01:02] <jjesse> hrmm anyone done a intrepid -> Jaunty upgrade?
[01:06] <Pollywog> Konqueror in Hardy often crashes when I move files between directories
[01:33] <josh-l> how can i reset my sound card? something happened
[01:33] <josh-l> running beta
[01:33] <josh-l> i suddenly dont have sound
[01:36] <josh-l> nm got it
[01:59] <lex79> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kipi-plugins/+bug/349955
[01:59] <lex79> 	
[01:59] <lex79> he is right?
[04:24] <ScottK> jjesse: I upgraded yesterday.
[04:29] <nixternal> Quintasan_: now you should be able to translate the new stuff :)
[04:30] <ScottK> Quintasan_: He even sucked up to 'the man' to make this possible for you.
[04:30] <nixternal> hahaha
[04:33] <nixternal> ahh, that is how I get translation karma on LP, from the imports
[04:35] <ScottK> Which is why vorian is the king tranlator of them all.
[04:35] <nixternal> heh
[04:35] <ScottK> He did the last l10n upload, so he got 14,000 emails and 700,000 karma.
[04:35] <nixternal> rofl
[04:36]  * ScottK is really glad they don't also go to the sponsor.
[05:18] <Daskreech> Hallo
[05:18] <Daskreech> anyone awake?
[05:18] <Daskreech> Trying to install partitionmanager in Jaunty
[05:19] <a|wen> morning Daskreech
[05:19] <Daskreech> It says that it needs libparted 1.88 or higher when Jaunty ships with libparted 1.8.10 9
[05:19] <Daskreech> Hi a|wen
[05:19] <Daskreech> which I would assume is higher than libparted 1.8.8
[05:20] <Daskreech> wait
[05:20] <Daskreech> lemme look oveer those numbers again to make sure :)
[05:20] <a|wen> partitionmanager installs fine here
[05:20] <Daskreech> From ppa ?
[05:21] <a|wen> no, from the archive
[05:22] <Daskreech> huh ? which one?
[05:22] <a|wen> the official jaunty universe archive
[05:23] <Daskreech> hmm
[05:23] <Daskreech> did a search and didn't see it
[05:23] <Daskreech> lets refresh and try again
[05:32] <Daskreech> Doesn't turn up in Kpackagekit
[05:32] <Daskreech>  but it's isntallable from the cli
[05:42] <a|wen> the view in kpackagekit only contains programs from app-install-data; might not have reached there yet
[05:43] <Daskreech> ah ik
[05:44] <Daskreech> thought it may have been another issue with the xapoan database
[05:44] <Daskreech> xapian even]
[05:59] <rgreening> a|wen: actually it should show all packages, however, you may need to change the Find By drop down ... possibly...
[05:59] <a|wen> rgreening: ahh, that is how we play ... Daskreech^^
[06:00] <rgreening> an d I can see partition manager in kpk just fine
[06:00] <rgreening> maybe Daskreech has some filters enabled...
[06:01] <Lure> Riddell: reminder: digikam debdiff in your mailbox
[07:00] <brunoqc> Is packagekit using policykit?
[07:15] <brunoqc> Maybe someone will see this later, I'm posting a feedback (on the jaunty beta feedback page) about policykit looking like GTK when using kpackagekit. http://imagebin.ca/view/mHAgvzy.html
[08:18] <Quintasan> nixternal: okay, I'm going to star now :3
[09:09] <markey> hmmmm
[09:09] <markey> not sure who's really to blame for that
[09:09] <markey> but if you build KDE apps yourself on kubuntu
[09:09] <markey> you're prone to get a build error
[09:09] <markey> that's hard to diagnose
[09:10] <markey> libstrigiqtdbusclient-dev is missing
[09:10] <markey> myself I've had that like 3 trillion billion times already
[09:10] <markey> can't we put this as a dep in the kde-devel metapackage?
[09:10] <markey> that would make metric tons of sense
[09:12] <markey> "error: strigi/qtdbus/strigitypes.h: No such file or directory"
[09:12] <markey> for a user it's next to impossible to find the right package for this error
[09:21] <Quintasan> nixternal: about-kubuntu almost finished, left harder lines cause I don't want to screw something.
[09:35] <Quintasan> Why update-manage-kde is in gnome section?
[10:16] <a|wen> markey: not if only some of the apps need it (i've seen many without that build-depends) ... and in that case apt-file is your friend; og doing something like "aptitude search qtdbus | grep strigi" also works in this case
[10:21] <markey> a|wen: you're probably right with this apt-file foo, but in reality hardly anyone knows this :)
[10:21] <markey> we get to see this error a lot
[10:21] <markey> and users are usually clueless about it
[10:38] <a|wen> markey: if they are compiling stuff themselves they are not real users ;) ... and we do actually want to keep the depends as few as possible
[10:44] <markey> a|wen: good point, but then, who installs "kde-devel"?
[10:45] <markey> if you think about it: people who want to compile stuff
[10:45] <blizzz> where does kdebluetooth save received files?
[10:46] <Mamarok> args, could we please have some pop up again when one insterts a CD? this is a huge bug IMHO
[10:46] <Mamarok> *inserts
[10:46] <Mamarok> no notification anymore since Intrepid, did nobody complain about that?
[10:47] <a|wen> Mamarok: do you have any pop-ups with usb pens?
[10:47] <Mamarok> and Nepomuk runs default and blocks the kio slave :(
[10:47] <Mamarok> a|wen: the device notifier tells me that, but not for CDs, and it has been missing since quite some time
[10:48] <Mamarok> works on other distros with KDE 4.2, so this really is a Kubuntu bug
[10:48]  * a|wen doesn't have a cd to test with
[10:48] <Mamarok> audio CDs are simply ignored totally
[10:49] <blizzz> Mamarok: but not data cd, right?
[10:49] <Mamarok> in Intrepid AND in Jaunty
[10:49] <a|wen> Mamarok: do you have a bug about it?
[10:49] <Mamarok> blizzz: guess what the user tells you who wants to listen or rip his music CDs
[10:49] <Mamarok> searching
[10:49] <blizzz> we had this once or twice in our forum, but no futher complains
[10:50] <Mamarok> I can't even use audiocd: in Dolphin when Nepomuk is running
[10:50] <Mamarok> and the average user doesn't even know about the kio slave
[10:51] <blizzz> true
[10:52] <Mamarok> bug 102188 and 339163 which seems a duplicate
[10:52] <Mamarok> so the problem is old
[10:53] <blizzz> is it a general kde  problem?
[10:56] <a|wen> looks like it only happens in kde4.2?
[10:56] <blizzz> a|wen: afair it happend with 4.1 too
[10:57] <a|wen> so has not worked with kde4 at all probably, hmm
[11:00] <a|wen> Riddell: anything we've heard of before; cd's not showing up in new device notifier? ^^
[11:00] <Mamarok> added my settings to 339163
[11:03] <Riddell> a|wen: not me
[11:04] <Riddell> data CD shows up fine here, not tried music CD
[11:05]  * a|wen makes a mental note to by a music cd on the market tomorrow
[11:05] <blizzz> you can burn one alternatively
[11:06] <a|wen> requires me to have a writeable cd...
[11:06] <blizzz> true
[11:06] <Riddell> popped in a music CD, nothing ops up
[11:07] <a|wen> do we know what is supposed to happen?
[11:08] <blizzz> device manager should pop up, i think
[11:08] <blizzz> or so
[11:09] <Mamarok> or a "ask for action" window like digikam does
[11:11] <blizzz> where does kdebluetooth saves received files?
[11:12]  * a|wen can't make kdebluetooth receive files, so dunno
[11:12] <blizzz> i got a progress bar and it looked like a success, but ~ and ~/documents are empty
[11:18] <Mamarok> maybe in /tmp
[11:18]  * Mamarok wouldn't be astonished about that
[11:19] <blizzz> i looked there too, but no hit either
[11:20] <blizzz> and  also there is no ~/.kde/share/apps/kdebluetooth
[11:23] <blizzz> found it!
[11:24] <blizzz> ~/.kbluetooth4/
[11:24] <blizzz> this is a rather weird location imho
[11:26] <blizzz> ah, it's name is really kbluetooth4
[11:28] <blizzz> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=172217
[11:32] <mgraesslin> is it known that upgrade from intrepid to jaunty does not replace amarok-kde4 with amarok?
[11:38] <markey> gosh yeah, Audio CD is broken to hell and back in 8.10
[11:38] <markey> not that CDs are very important any more
[11:38] <markey> (I hate them with a passion)
[11:38] <markey> but still :)
[11:39] <Mamarok> markey: you are not Mr Average User :)
[12:21]  * blizzz writes a ff bruce willis extension
[13:00] <a|wen> blizzz: what files (apart from the received files) do you have in the .kbluetooth4 folder?
[13:00] <blizzz> a|wen: none
[13:01] <a|wen> blizzz: okay, thx ... that was what i hoped for
[13:01] <a|wen> blizzz: do we have a bug about it in LP? and if not, can you create one?
[13:01] <blizzz> a|wen: however, it is a rather fresh install (did install jaunty in the train yesterday)
[13:02] <blizzz> a|wen: i have none, but i can file it
[13:02] <blizzz> or search first of all ;)
[13:02] <a|wen> blizzz: if you give me a bug number i'll attach a debdiff
[13:06] <blizzz> a|wen: i add a comment to 334136
[13:06] <blizzz> bug 334136
[13:07] <blizzz> ok?
[13:07] <a|wen> blizzz: add a comment, and change the title, then good
[13:07] <blizzz> will do
[13:10] <blizzz> a|wen: done
[13:11] <blizzz> a|wen: how can i link it to the kde bug report?
[13:12] <a|wen> blizzz: click on the "also affects project"
[13:12] <blizzz> a|wen: ah :) ty
[13:30] <daskreech> Must kpackagekit have a modal box after refreshing the sources?
[13:31] <apachelogger> a|wen: ping
[13:32] <a|wen> apachelogger: pong
[13:32] <apachelogger> a|wen: do you have kde svn access?
[13:32] <daskreech> seems a little silly since it has a prfectly good message system
[13:33] <a|wen> apachelogger: no
[13:33] <apachelogger> :(
[13:34] <a|wen> are we looking for someone who has?
[13:35] <apachelogger> well, I do, I am just too lazy to checkout source :P
[13:35] <apachelogger> a|wen: anyway, do you have time to do some stuff?
[13:35] <a|wen> apachelogger: what are we talking about more specifically?
[13:36] <apachelogger> adding a file to the kscd package ;-)
[13:36] <apachelogger> http://aplg.kollide.net/tmp/kscd-play-audiocd.desktop
[13:37] <a|wen> apachelogger: where should it be installed?
[13:37] <apachelogger> /usr/share/kde4/apps/solid/actions
[13:38] <apachelogger> then we need a bug report at bko that kscd -s does not work (ought to start palyback right away)
[13:38] <a|wen> apachelogger: but at least kscd opens, right?
[13:38] <apachelogger> then we need another bug report that dolphin doesn't like to be started with kioslaves as URL (e.g. dolphin audiocd:/ leads to an unkown protocol error)
[13:39] <apachelogger> a|wen: yeah, you need to press play though ... which sucks :D
[13:39] <a|wen> better than nothing ;)
[13:40] <jjesse> good morning, overnight i did an upgrade to jaunty from 8.10 and had no problems
[13:40] <jjesse> don't know if there is an official place to report that or not
[13:41] <apachelogger> -devel
[13:41] <apachelogger> morning btw :)
[13:41] <apachelogger> jjesse: do you have kde svn access?
[13:41] <daskreech> morning
[13:42] <jjesse> apachelogger:  no i don't no kde svn access at all
[13:42] <apachelogger> :S
[13:44] <jjesse> good morning btw as well
[13:45] <a|wen> blizzz: please test that the deb here does save to home directly: http://awen.dk/packages/kdebluetooth/
[13:46] <ScottK> markey: For errors like can't find strigitypes.h, you can just go to packages.ubuntu.com and ask it what package has that file.
[13:47]  * ScottK runs off.
[13:48] <blizzz> a|wen: works! :)
[13:53] <a|wen> any core-devs around for an easy one to sponsor: bug 334136
[13:54] <daskreech> hi jjesse
[13:55] <jjesse> hello daskreech
[13:55] <daskreech> how are you?
[13:55] <jjesse> doing well
[13:56] <daskreech> great :-)
[13:56] <daskreech> how's the book coming along?
[13:57] <jjesse> well i think, it is off to reviewers
[13:59] <daskreech> ok
[13:59] <jjesse> do you watn to review the chapter?
[13:59] <daskreech> Which reminds me I shold get back to doing my plasma book
[13:59] <jjesse> i can send it to you drop me an email
[13:59] <daskreech> sure
[13:59] <daskreech> skreech2@gmail.com
[14:00] <jjesse> ok its coming
[14:00] <jjesse> on its way
[14:01] <daskreech> \o/
[14:25] <a|wen> apachelogger: putting the kscd file there doesn't seem to do much...
[14:25] <a|wen> .desktop file
[14:25] <apachelogger> a|wen: I think plasma/the device notifier needs to be restarted in order to get it used
[14:29] <a|wen> apachelogger: it now shows the cd and i can start kdcs clicking on it ... but kscd can't play any cd's
[14:31] <apachelogger> it does here
[14:31] <apachelogger> kscd is very weird anyway
[14:32] <apachelogger> good thing we don't have it as default
[14:32] <apachelogger> creating a file for k3b right now
[14:32] <a|wen> apachelogger: we don't have a better player that is actually pre-installed
[14:32] <apachelogger> well, the idea is to rip the stuff anyway
[14:33] <apachelogger> playback from CD is really a CD player's task, not a PC's ;-)
[14:34] <freinhard> yesterday it wasn't. my (not that new) technics CD player refused to accept a brand new CD (must have been some copy protection stuff) so i had to use my PC
[14:34] <a|wen> apachelogger: "dolphin audiocd://" ?
[14:34] <apachelogger> a|wen: doesn't work
[14:34] <apachelogger> see the second bug report I asked for :P
[14:34] <daskreech> It should
[14:35] <a|wen> apachelogger: works here
[14:35] <apachelogger> a|wen: 4.2.1?
[14:35] <a|wen> apachelogger: jup, current jaunty
[14:35] <apachelogger> hum
[14:35] <apachelogger> now it works
[14:35] <apachelogger> weird
[14:36] <apachelogger> a|wen: it didn't work earlier, I even tried various times + markey confirmed the issue
[14:36] <a|wen> oh well, now it works :)
[14:37] <a|wen> don't we rather want to open dolphin as that one is pre-installed?
[14:37] <apachelogger> k3b is pre-installed as well :P
[14:38] <daskreech> k3b works now?
[14:38] <daskreech> jjesse: what did you make this file in?
[14:38] <a|wen> apachelogger: no need to flash our kde3 apps ;)
[14:38] <apachelogger> well
[14:38] <apachelogger> a|wen: audiocd:/ aint got no mp3
[14:39] <daskreech> do you have a Mp3 ripper installed?
[14:39] <apachelogger> and doesn't have an appropriate package to get it, so k3b is the better choice at any rate :P
[14:39] <daskreech> if you do it shoudl turn up tehre
[14:39] <a|wen> daskreech: do you have a package name?
[14:39] <daskreech> lame should work
[14:40] <daskreech> !find lame
[14:40] <daskreech> bah
[14:40] <apachelogger> daskreech: are you sure about that?
[14:40] <daskreech> apachelogger: No I just remember doing that back in KDE3 days
[14:40] <apachelogger> oh well
[14:40] <daskreech> I've not installed a fresh thing since then so it's always just worked
[14:40] <apachelogger> I am creating both desktop files anyway
[14:41] <daskreech>  but unless they broke audiocd:// kio that's all I remember doing
[14:41] <apachelogger> but since audiocd didn't want to start with dolphin earlier I am kind of against it
[14:41] <a|wen> i have libmp3lame0 installed and it doesn't work
[14:41] <apachelogger> daskreech: they broke loads of stuff in 4.1 the flac and vorbis folders were completely empty ;-)
[14:41] <daskreech> apachelogger: Oh dear
[14:41] <apachelogger> a|wen: you probably need  the lame bin itself
[14:42]  * a|wen goes lame
[14:42]  * daskreech picks up a|wen's cot and walks
[14:43] <a|wen> yay! installing "lame" actually works
[14:44] <daskreech> see?
[14:44] <a|wen> apachelogger: did you prepare another .desktop as well?
[14:44] <daskreech> now I wonder if you have oggenc installed
[14:45] <a|wen> daskreech: dunno, but i have an ogg folder ;)
[14:45] <daskreech> Is there anyhing it?
[14:45] <a|wen> jup
[14:46] <a|wen> cda, flac, mp3 and ogg folders ... all with content
[14:46] <apachelogger> yay
[14:47] <apachelogger> the solid action stuff doesn't honor TryExec
[14:47] <apachelogger> so.... how do you deploy that dolphin desktop file?
[14:47] <a|wen> apachelogger: you install it with dolphin
[14:47] <apachelogger> dolphin can be installed without audiocd and audiocd without dolphin
[14:47] <a|wen> ohh, where is "audiocd" located?
[14:48] <apachelogger> kdemultimedia kioslaves I suppose
[14:48] <apachelogger> anyway, from a upstream point of view it is kdebase vs. kdemultimedia
[14:49] <apachelogger> so, the only option is really to make the notifier thingy honor TryExec, then ship the desktop file with audiocd://, so it just doesn't get shown when dolphin is not installed
[14:51] <daskreech> Why would dolphin not be installed?
[14:51] <apachelogger> because someone wants to use konqueror
[14:52] <daskreech> so just call default filemanager
[14:52] <apachelogger> or doesn't have kdebase at all, but only kdebase-workspace
[14:52] <apachelogger> daskreech: default file manager does not support audiocd://
[14:52] <a|wen> apachelogger: "xdg-open audiocd:/"
[14:53] <apachelogger> http://aplg.kollide.net/screencasts/audiocd-options.ogv
[14:55] <daskreech> jjesse: ettrich has two Ts
[14:55] <a|wen> apachelogger: looks good
[14:56] <apachelogger> a|wen: http://aplg.kollide.net/tmp/dolphin-open-audiocd.desktop
[14:56] <apachelogger> probably should be distributed along audiocd, and whatever package it comes in should at least suggest dolphin
[14:56] <apachelogger> a|wen: http://aplg.kollide.net/tmp/k3b-rip-audiocd.desktop ... to be distributed inside k3b's main package
[14:57] <apachelogger> maybe I should add a german translation, since launchpad will not take care of it? :P
[14:57] <apachelogger> anyway
[14:57] <apachelogger> a|wen: the k3b file can be sent to trueg directly, or maybe via a bug report, but I assume a personal mail is going to be faster for getting it into k3b trunk
[14:58] <apachelogger> markey: http://aplg.kollide.net/screencasts/audiocd-options.ogv ... for some reason dolphin works now here
[15:00] <a|wen> apachelogger: i'll send a mail to trueg ... and i'll try to get the two others into the kde 4.2.2 packaging
[15:00] <apachelogger> the two others also need to go upstream, so at least a bug report should be filed
[15:01] <apachelogger> maybe I feel like comitting them tomorrow ;-)
[15:01] <a|wen> apachelogger: if you have svn access, then please do :)
[15:01] <apachelogger> I have access, but no checkout
[15:01] <apachelogger> + I'd need to fiddle with cmake and possibly folders
[15:01] <apachelogger> *shudder*
[15:04]  * a|wen have a kde3.5 checkout but doesn't suppose that helps
[15:05] <a|wen> ScottK: you've been looking at kdebluetooth earlier ... if you could have a look at bug 334136 when you have time
[15:05] <daskreech> jjesse: Should probably mention LGPL licensing as well :)
[15:06]  * a|wen goes to find some food
[15:09] <apachelogger> a|wen: do we have a bug yet? :P
[15:12] <apachelogger> kde rev 946002
[15:12] <apachelogger> a|wen: ^
[15:28] <a|wen> apachelogger: yay!
[15:28]  * a|wen goes looking for a bug
[15:32] <a|wen> nope, can't find any bugs about it
[15:34] <a|wen> apachelogger: bug 339163
[15:37] <apachelogger> a|wen: sounds like it ... please fix it in the k3b change
[15:38] <apachelogger> 4.2 doesn't come with any action to be used on audiocds so as a result the device notifier doesn't pop up
[15:38] <a|wen> apachelogger: i'll add a task for kdemultimedia / k3b respectively and make sure it gets fixed
[15:39] <apachelogger> ok :)
[16:11] <ScottK> a|wen: Looks sane.
[16:12] <a|wen> i hoped so :)
[16:13] <a|wen> tested and works for one that can actually receive files via bluetooth ... i am not in that luck position
[16:14] <ScottK> Test building now ....
[16:14] <blizzz> a|wen: how does it fail for you?
[16:15] <a|wen> blizzz: i've associated the two devices, but nothing happens when i try to send; nothing moves, changes or pops up
[16:16] <blizzz> a|wen: associated with the device manager?
[16:16] <a|wen> blizzz: jup
[16:17] <blizzz> a|wen: try without it
[16:17] <blizzz> just send the file to your pc
[16:17] <a|wen> blizzz: also tried without having them associated ... no change
[16:18] <a|wen> blizzz: can i have you try to run the kbluetooth4 from command line and receive a file and pastebin the output you get? (i have something i can't figure out if looks strange)
[16:19] <blizzz> a|wen: sure
[16:21] <sebas> Does kubuntu install something for the networkmanager plasmoid in /etc/dbus ?
[16:21]  * ScottK looks
[16:21] <blizzz> a|wen: http://pastebin.kubuntu-de.org/704
[16:21] <sebas> Apparently, my networkmanager reports that it's connected to an access point, while it doesn't find any active connections
[16:21]  * smarter has /etc/dbus-1/system.d/NetworkManager.conf and /etc/dbus-1/system.d/NetworkManager-kde4.conf
[16:22] <smarter> along with a bunch of nm-*
[16:22] <sebas> So I can't really debug problems with matching connections in NetworkManager and UI
[16:22] <sebas> smarter: can you post the latter?
[16:22] <smarter> the -kde4?
[16:22] <blizzz> a|wen: begin of file transfer in line 24
[16:23]  * ScottK has similar.
[16:23] <sebas> yes, the -kde4 please
[16:23] <smarter> sebas: http://pastebin.com/m51ed22f4
[16:24] <sebas> I've this suspicion that it works for everybody but me, and that there are some displaying bugs you only see when it works properly
[16:24] <sebas> so it's kind of hard to reproduce that
[16:24] <ScottK> That file is from the plasmoid.
[16:24] <smarter> yup
[16:25] <a|wen> blizzz: looks exactly like mine until that point... wondered if ObexServer: "00:00:00:00:00:00" was meant to be that way, but looks like it
[16:26] <blizzz> a|wen: maybe it is a bug in the output, the settings dialog gives a wunderful unqiue mac adress
[16:26] <sebas> smarter: ok, thanks, it's the same here
[16:26] <sebas> :(
[16:26] <sebas> Is there anybody who can test the networkmanager from trunk?
[16:27] <sebas> I've added some debug code that should make it clearer what's going on
[16:28] <a|wen> blizzz: not unlikely ... but the output is from the obexserver, which the kbluetooth starts, so might be genuine enough
[16:30] <ScottK> a|wen: Uploaded.  Thank you for your contribution to Kubuntu.
[16:30] <a|wen> ScottK: thx!
[16:31] <blizzz> a|wen: it works here however. although, with intrepid it did not, dunno if there is a newer version new, i used 4.2.1 then
[16:32] <a|wen> blizzz: it's the same version of kbluetooth at least ... but bluetooth not being completely broken was fixed around when kde4.2 arrived
[16:36] <blizzz> a|wen: maybe it just need to be more unbrokened *shrug*
[16:37] <a|wen> until opensync starts working with kde4 i don't really care much personally
[16:40] <blizzz> i just wondered if it works now, though i don't need it either
[16:41] <a|wen> blizzz: it works now ... and soon you get files in a non-hidden folder ;)
[16:42] <blizzz> a|wen: i do now, actually, which is your "fault" ;)
[16:42]  * a|wen is terribly "sorry"
[16:43] <ScottK> The bluetooth solid patches with KDE 4.1 in intrepid-updates and KDE 4.2 in intrepid-backports/jaunty are the same.
[16:43] <blizzz> a|wen: i don't bear a grudge ;)
[17:23] <Xand3r> hey ho
[17:24] <Xand3r> i everytime used kdebase-workspace-dev as build-depend for plasmoids, is that correct or to much?
[17:25] <Xand3r> and can i still use that in jaunty?
[17:25] <Xand3r> smarter: hi
[17:25] <Xand3r> maybe you can help me?
[17:26] <smarter> look at how other plasmoids do it
[17:30] <daskreech> hi rickspencer3
[17:32] <daskreech> OO.o is sitll kde3 correct?
[17:32] <rickspencer3> daskreech: I believe that in terms of the file dialogs, yes
[17:32] <rickspencer3> ping calc on #ubuntu-desktop for the full story
[17:33] <sebas> Anybody who can test the networkmanager plasmoid from KDE's trunk?
[17:33] <rickspencer3> but I believe that the patch for KDE 4 dialogs was not buildable, or not stable or something?
[17:33] <daskreech> rickspencer3: Ok Cool. How areyou?
[17:33] <rickspencer3> I'm good
[17:33] <daskreech> rickspencer3: Yeah I heard OO.o turned it off for auto builds
[17:33] <rickspencer3> it's crazy, but I feel good about the beta, so far
[17:34] <daskreech> OO.o beta?
[17:34] <rickspencer3> I'm worried about x and intel
[17:34] <rickspencer3> no, I meant Jaunty beta :)
[17:34] <daskreech> X sucks
[17:34] <daskreech> :-(
[17:34] <rickspencer3> lol
[17:34] <rickspencer3> the problem is that the hardware is a moving target
[17:34] <daskreech> It's really worrying to me that it has no alternatives
[17:35] <rickspencer3> changes very quickly, and it's hard to support old and new hardware at the same time
[17:35] <daskreech> Well for almost all other aspects of the UNIX stack you can choose something else based on some criteria
[17:35] <rickspencer3> it's open source
[17:35] <rickspencer3> start a project
[17:35] <rickspencer3> :)
[17:35] <daskreech> For pretty much every UNIX you can pick up the only really valid choice os X and right now it sucks
[17:35] <daskreech> Wayland is there but it's not very UNIXy
[17:37] <daskreech> plus I'm rreally worried about the concept of having X have all it's config and troubleshooting tools inside of X
[17:37] <daskreech> But I guess we shall go along for teh ride
[17:38] <daskreech> rickspencer3: How's feedback been so far on Jaunty?
[17:38] <a|wen> sebas: do you have a deb of it or is it an export, build deb kind of fun?
[17:38] <sebas> a|wen: svn checkout and cmake I'm afraid
[17:39] <a|wen> sebas: anything special, that needs testing?
[17:39] <sebas> X has two problems, I think
[17:39] <daskreech> It's not W!
[17:40] <sebas> The community is rather hostile and badly managed (see for example the radeonhd fiasco), and nobody except for Redhat actually puts resources into development of X (companies only fix their own drivers, if at all)
[17:40] <ScottK> Xand3r: plasma is in kde4libs starting with KDE 4.2, so it's different.
[17:40] <sebas> And that's indeed worrying, given that it's central part of all our infrastructure
[17:41] <a|wen> sebas: do you have a checkout link at hand?
[17:41] <sebas> It would be the perfect place for desktop independent improvments in our software stack
[17:41] <daskreech> sebas: I would say THE central part
[17:42] <sebas> a|wen: svn co svn+ssh://svn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk/playground/base/plasma/applets/networkmanager
[17:42] <daskreech> It's the only project I can think of outside of coreutils that is persistently used in every UNIX variant
[17:42] <daskreech> So even if you jump OS you still have to deal with the same broken X if at that point it is broken
[17:42] <sebas> Basically, the situation is that nobody's daring to touch X, so it's hardly improved
[17:43] <sebas> true
[17:43] <daskreech> and basically every alternative is either wildly incompatible with the UNIX stack or a joke
[17:45] <blizzz> bye
[17:46] <daskreech> bye
[17:46] <daskreech> I guess
[17:56] <Quintasan> Why the default permissions to scanners are still not allowing users to use them?
[18:19] <a|wen> Riddell / ScottK / Tonio_: when one of you finds a spare moment, please have a look at the debdiff for k3b in bug 339163
[18:28] <Quintasan> Anyone here got Sansa mp3 player?
[18:28] <claydoh> Quintasan: I have a sansa e260
[18:29] <Quintasan> claydoh: can you try plugging it while amarok is running?
[18:29] <claydoh> in mtp mode or in usb mode, or does it matter?
[18:30] <a|wen> sebas: the network manager widget doesn't seem to blow up at least ... I don't have any wireless networks to test against; but you can get anyone to grab a .deb from my ppa when it has finished building shortly: https://launchpad.net/~andreas-wenning/+archive/ppa
[18:34] <Quintasan> claydoh: doesnt matter which one.
[18:34] <nixternal> Quintasan: I have a sansa e260 as well, v1
[18:35] <nixternal> gotta have my rockbox
[18:35] <Quintasan> claydoh: try usb mode
[18:35] <nixternal> which I need to update to the latest release
[18:35] <Quintasan> nixternal: try mtp mode if you can
[18:35]  * claydoh has no rockbox for his v2:(
[18:35] <Quintasan> AmaroK theme for Rockbox = win
[18:35] <nixternal> i bought my e260 last year, refurbished, for $30 :)
[18:35] <nixternal> love it
[18:35] <claydoh> Quintasan: what am I looking for?
[18:36] <nixternal> you have to find the refurb units, as they are all pretty much v1
[18:36] <Quintasan> claydoh: I want to know if you can mount it
[18:36] <nixternal> Quintasan: ya, that is the same theme I use as well
[18:36] <claydoh> nixternal: they are working on a v2 port, but its slow going
[18:36] <dasKreech> Does archos work well with Linux?
[18:37] <claydoh> Quintasan: well mtp mode works as expected
[18:37] <Quintasan> claydoh: You have amarok running?
[18:37] <claydoh> yes
[18:37] <Quintasan> -_-'
[18:38] <Quintasan> So something is wrong here.
[18:38] <Quintasan> claydoh: could you paste the lines from dmesg?
[18:40] <Quintasan> nixternal: can you try plugging it while amarok is running?
[18:42] <Quintasan> I get something like this when plugging in: http://wklej.org/id/70906/   I can't mount it, amarok shows no messages about media device :/
[18:44] <claydoh> Quintasan: http://paste.ubuntu.com:80/139692/
[18:45] <Quintasan> claydoh: mtp mode?
[18:45] <Quintasan> nvm
[18:46] <Quintasan> looks like I have something screwed here.
[18:46] <claydoh> no, usb mode
[18:46] <Quintasan> oh, ok
[18:47] <Quintasan> both work for you, right?
[18:48] <claydoh> yup
[18:50] <Quintasan> or mtp library is screwd or it's mine sansa
[18:50] <claydoh> what model
[18:50] <Quintasan> e260
[18:51] <jjesse> question after upgrading to jaunty i don't have flash installed now
[18:51] <jjesse> or mozilla firefox deosn't show that i have flash installed
[18:52]  * ScottK had the same situation.
[18:52]  * ScottK hasn't investigated.
[18:52] <jjesse> intersting
[18:52] <Quintasan> claydoh: dunno if you checked my paste, I get USBDEVFS_CONTROL failure
[18:52] <dtchen> jjesse: known issue. please purge and reinstall flashplugin-nonfree if that's the package involved.
[18:53] <jjesse> dtchen: thanks trying that right now
[18:54] <josh-l> is there anything other than inkscape that can edit and save to svg?
[18:55] <josh-l> inkscapes got too many gnome deps
[18:56] <jjesse> dtchen: that worked thanks
[18:57] <Quintasan> claydoh: hmm it's not library, mtpfs woked, but still throws USBDEVFS_CONTROL errors in dmesg
[18:58] <claydoh> could you have a dirty, or loose cable connection maybe?
[18:58] <claydoh> I get lint in mine a lot
[18:59] <Quintasan> I'll check
[18:59] <Quintasan> It can cause such errors?
[19:00] <claydoh> maybe, I know mine won't charge if it is dirty, and sometimes it wouldn't mount (rare but stopped after I kept it clean))
[19:01] <Quintasan> nope, but got new error
[19:01] <Quintasan> config 128 interface 0 altsetting 0 endpoint 0x81 has an invalid bInterval 100, changing to 10
[19:09] <claydoh> its all greek to me :(
[19:09] <ScottK> dtchen: Is purge/reinstall flashplugin-nonfree if installed something we should ask mvo to add to upgrade-manager?
[19:10] <Quintasan> argh I hate it. I don't know why it doesn't work, it appeard on new devices list but after mounting it disappeared :/
[19:11] <dtchen> ScottK: it's worthwhile for amd64, at least
[19:11]  * ScottK had the same loss of flash on i386
[19:11] <dtchen> ScottK: for ia32, i'm tempted to ask asac and mvo to consider removing it in favour of adobe-flashplugin from the Canonical repository
[19:12] <dtchen> (TBH, it won't happen.)
[19:12] <ScottK> dtchen: OK.  Well I think we ought to do one or the other.
[19:12]  * ScottK is about to head out for the rest of the day.
[19:12] <Quintasan> claydoh: funny, when I turned Amarok off USB mode started to work
[19:12] <dtchen> ScottK: having the logic for do-release-upgrade would be great.
[19:12] <ScottK> dtchen: Would you write up a bug for it.
[19:13] <dtchen> ScottK: against update-manager? sure, enqueued
[19:13] <a|wen> Tonio_: the .desktop file for k3b i sent you ... if you have a recent enough checkout you it might already be there; seems they have already thought of the same recently
[19:13] <ScottK> dtchen: Yes.  Please.
[19:27] <Tonio_> a|wen: I'l look, thanks fo the warning
[19:48] <josh-l> can I make a plasma theme with png instead of svg?
[20:01] <tsimpson> josh-l: #plasma would be the place to ask
[20:01] <josh-l> thanks tsimpson
[20:05] <josh-l> something is up with my window decorations, they look bad... i'll take a screenshot i cant explain it
[20:12] <josh-l> something is up with my window decorations, they look bad... i'll take a screenshot i cant explain it
[20:12] <josh-l> http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/8439/snapshot1t.png
[20:40] <josh-l> anyone know if there is a konversation kde4 for kubuntu packaged?
[20:42] <jjesse> josh-l: i don't think so which is why quassel is the default ir c client
[22:31] <josh-l> anyone know what the internal extender container widget , and the Activity Bar widgets do?
[22:51] <Tscheesy> josh-l : the Activity-Switcher  can change the Activity you previously defined (e.g. by Zooming out by the Nut in the Upper Right Corner)
[22:52] <Tscheesy> the extender-Container is used by other Widgets afak
[22:54] <josh-l> ok thanks
[22:54] <jussi01> hrm, is it possible to remove the names in the taskbar applet?So you just have the icon there?
[22:54] <jussi01> if not, perhaps soneone could point me to the area that this is defined so I can hack on it
[22:55] <jussi01> ?
[23:09] <neversfelde> jussi01_: what abount stasks? http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/STasks?content=99739
[23:09] <neversfelde> is it what you need, was not useful for me btw.
[23:09] <nixternal> stasks is nice
[23:11] <jussi01> neversfelde: looks like what Im after :) Ill have a look more and play tomorrow. :)
[23:11] <nixternal> my birthday is in july, I want a Kubuntu hat, shirt, stickers...just a reminder
[23:12] <neversfelde> mine is in august, I want kitchensync + opensync 0.4.0 :D
[23:12] <neversfelde> and a pony^^
[23:15] <neversfelde> nixternal: I think there are some german translators for kubuntu-docs this time, although there seems to be no reviewer. I think it would be great to see a guide to participate in improving karmics doc. Is there something like this?
[23:17] <nixternal> improving on the translation side?
[23:17] <neversfelde> no, not only. We should get in touch with writing english docs too
[23:18] <neversfelde> I wrote several german guides in wiki.kubuntu-de.org and I think that I can port them to english
[23:18] <neversfelde> well, in my bad school variant of english :)
[23:18] <nixternal> if they are CC licensed then we can probably use some of it
[23:19] <nixternal> I am going to start working on KDE docs and probably going to start more time working upstream...just don't feel that fit like a glove experience downstream for some odd reason
[23:19] <neversfelde> it is by-sa 3.0 (german)
[23:20] <neversfelde> I do not know why (german) but I think it is no porblem to make it international
[23:20] <nixternal> groovy...we need to bump the docs here up to 3.0 as 2.5 is dead I believe
[23:21] <neversfelde> so how to get in touch making docs for karmic?
[23:21] <neversfelde> I never did this before and Riddell told me to ask you?
[23:22] <nixternal> ya, we (me, jjesse, you, and others that are interested) will have to setup a meeting where we can see what direction we want to go
[23:23] <nixternal> I am not happy with the current state of our documentation...we call it topic based help, but what we have done is just broken apart the old book into a bunch of peices, or "topics"
[23:23] <neversfelde> ok, I will write them in english in future, maybe a native speakere has to correct them, but should not be to much work
[23:23] <nixternal> right, fixing broken english is the easy part :)
[23:23] <neversfelde> porting to wiki.kubuntu-de.org is very easy then
[23:23] <neversfelde> hehe
[23:25] <neversfelde> would be nice if you can show me the most needed parts of kubunut-docs, cause I am currently workin at an english version of my choqoK article and this should not be very important
[23:25] <nixternal> actually for choqok, you should probably be using the KDE documentation Template
[23:25] <nixternal> svn trunk/KDE/kdelibs/kdoctools/template.docbook
[23:26] <neversfelde> ah yes, mtux told me that KDE is working on it
[23:27] <jussi01> nixternal: My birthday is next week and all I want is a ticket to UDS and a Kubuntu shirt... :)
[23:27] <nixternal> hehe
[23:27] <neversfelde> so I am doing something redundant at the moment, not good
[23:28] <jussi01> nixternal: so I expect those in the mail, kthxbai...  :D (it is really my birthday coming up though, 4th april)
[23:29] <neversfelde> mhh, Arthur aka blizz translated my Quassel Article http://wiki.kubuntu-de.org/Neversfelde:quassel
[23:29] <neversfelde> and I am currently porting it to 0.4.1
[23:29] <neversfelde> in german
[23:29] <neversfelde> where can I write an englisg version for kubuntu docs?
[23:34] <nixternal> if you complete the choqok docs, then in Kubuntu we would just give a brief description of choqoK and then link to the choqoK docs utilizing help:/choqok
[23:35] <nixternal> jussi01: if I were working and had the money, I would get ya a Kubuntu shirt for your birthday :)
[23:35] <neversfelde> oh there is also choqok: http://wiki.kubuntu-de.org/Kubuntu_benutzen/Internet/choqoK
[23:35] <jussi01> nixternal: :D
[23:35] <neversfelde> only german
[23:35] <nixternal> though I should probably get me a Kubuntu t-shirt first. I have 0 Kubuntu anything :(
[23:36]  * Sput notes jussi01 has made it
[23:36] <jussi01> nixternal: just ask Riddell for some stickers, they are free you know... :D
[23:36] <jussi01> Sput: yep.
[23:36] <jussi01> Sput: I should be asleep but im not...
[23:37] <neversfelde> we should work on getting these articles to kde or kubuntu, but I and the rest of kubuntu-de.org team do not know how
[23:37] <jussi01> Sput: dont forget tonight is daylight savings change :D
[23:37] <Sput> jussi01: so what about the engine breakage?
[23:37] <jussi01> Sput: they made us get on another train...
[23:37] <Sput> an ICE at least?
[23:37] <jussi01> nope
[23:38] <jussi01> some cruddy commuter train..
[23:38] <Sput> my "IC" consisted of two real old shabby cars behind that CNL
[23:38] <Sput> those cars went out of service mostly in the mid-90s
[23:38] <Sput> it was nostalgic :>
[23:39] <jussi01> hehe
[23:42]  * jussi01 goes to bed...
[23:44] <neversfelde> n8 jussi01
[23:45]  * Sput too
[23:45] <neversfelde> n8 Sput
[23:46] <jussi01> nini neversfelde
[23:46] <Sput> nini
[23:48] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: bug 349740 ... works fine with both dolphin and firefox ... + I think that stuff is handled by the app rather than the window manager
[23:48] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: yeah, works fine for me too
[23:48] <JontheEchidna> I say let it get lost in the 2,000 plus firefox-3.0 bugs
[23:48] <apachelogger> +1
[23:49] <JontheEchidna> This is what I've been wasting my time on today instead of packaging: http://imagebin.ca/view/4vSwpB.html and http://imagebin.ca/view/8uofOu.html
[23:49] <JontheEchidna> weather-aware wallpaper
[23:50] <apachelogger> fancy
[23:50] <JontheEchidna> it's really, really rough. As in half the time you gotta jiggle around with it and clear config to make it work
[23:50]  * apachelogger finds the approach of animated wallpapers better though :P
[23:51] <JontheEchidna> Plus all the actual wallpaper painting is taking a QImage of a jpg the exact size of my screen and painting it, lulz
[23:51] <apachelogger> back in my suse days I always had that feeling that the gecko thingy should be moving of some sort
[23:51] <apachelogger> maybe eye rolling if the cpu is busy or something ;-)
[23:51] <JontheEchidna> lol
[23:52] <apachelogger> would certainly give the desktop a very nice appearance
[23:52] <apachelogger> or the gecko eating flys every once in a while
[23:52] <JontheEchidna> It tries to catch your mouse with it's tounge every 10 minutes maybe?
[23:52] <apachelogger> markey: a statement on kde bug 178691 would be nice
[23:53] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: something like that
[23:53] <apachelogger> it's the small things that make a nice desktop IMHO
[23:53]  * neversfelde likes his desktop
[23:54] <neversfelde> cause of the small things
[23:54] <neversfelde> :)
[23:54] <JontheEchidna> The inspiration for the weather wallpaper came from: http://forum.kde.org/-plasma-atmosphere-in-the-desktop-t-39137.html
[23:54] <JontheEchidna> or, that is to say the entire idea
[23:56] <neversfelde> my two over 60 years old kubuntu pupils would like it, but never miss it
[23:56] <neversfelde> :D
[23:58] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: bug 297806 is valid indeed
[23:58] <apachelogger> needs description and subject change though
[23:59] <JontheEchidna> I believe this if statement accurately describes the state of maturity of the weather wallpaper: http://pastebin.ca/50
[23:59]  * JontheEchidna clicks buglink
[23:59] <neversfelde> mhh, we (german speaking kubuntu-de.org) need another interview vicitm. apachelogger: your spare time is tight, isn't it?