[00:00] <guest> frogonwheels: thanks
[00:01] <frogonwheels> guest did you work it out?
[00:02] <frogonwheels> phoenixz_  Possibly not then.  I've got 4.2 on 8.10, following the instructions.  don't know if it applies to 9.04
[00:02] <guest> frogonwheels: nope I thought it was 4.2 its only 4.0 im gonna upgrade and go from there
[00:02] <babylonsfury> back from work, still no usb :(
[00:03] <frogonwheels> guest cool.
[00:05] <Cycom> ok, is there any proto that is supported by kaffeine, dragonplayer, etc. etc. that allows me to play files on a remote network share?
[00:06] <Cycom> where I can just click a file and have it play, without transferring the entire thing to the local drive's /tmp?
[00:06] <kaddi> it's just a wild guess but shouldn't vlc that?
[00:07] <Cycom> kaddi: nope. copies the file instead.
[00:17] <babylonsfury> if you're using intrepid and the last repository someone has for something is hardy
[00:18] <babylonsfury> it should still work, right???
[00:18] <cinex> its possible babylonsfury
[00:18] <cinex> it might not though
[00:18] <cinex> dependacy prroblems
[00:18] <cinex> and if your using apt to install them, it might try to downgrade stuff - possibly
[00:18] <bazhang> very risky using 3rd party repos; more so when they are different versions
[00:19] <cinex> but for the odd .deb file its usually ok.
[00:19] <babylonsfury> cool, trying to get my usb to work
[00:20] <devilsadvocate> babylonsfury, usb?
[00:20] <babylonsfury> not working, at all
[00:21] <babylonsfury> not the mouse, not the keyboard
[00:21] <babylonsfury> not the sound, not the printer, nothing
[00:21] <babylonsfury> tried them all at once, and tried everything but the printer solo
[00:21] <devilsadvocate> which repo are you talking about?
[00:21] <bazhang> is this a usb hub? or bluetooth?
[00:22] <babylonsfury> pure usb, off the back ports of the computer
[00:25] <cinex> shouldn't usb ports 'just work'
[00:25] <bazhang> dont know how a repo will fix that
[00:25] <babylonsfury> they do work in grub
[00:25] <babylonsfury> but the second the kernel loads
[00:25] <babylonsfury> its gone
[00:26] <babylonsfury> no repo was to fix my printer driver
[00:26] <bazhang> wireless keyboard? bluetooth?
[00:26] <babylonsfury> someone made an open source printer driver, but last repo they have is hardy
[00:26] <babylonsfury> its a normal, plug in, usb keyboard
[00:26] <babylonsfury> and normal plug it in, usb mouse
[00:27] <babylonsfury> usb headset, and usb printer
[00:27] <babylonsfury> the ports themselves, are dead, no power
[00:27] <bazhang> sounds like a bad port
[00:27] <babylonsfury> nope
[00:27] <babylonsfury> works fine off of a jaunty live cd
[00:27] <babylonsfury> jaunty live cd? usb works like a charm
[00:27] <babylonsfury> switch back to my intrepid install, gone
[00:27] <babylonsfury> and it worked in XP and vista :(
[00:27] <babylonsfury> its just intrepid that it's shot in, and not sure why
[00:28] <gimox> installing kubuntu beta...
[00:28] <babylonsfury> tried the intrepid live cd, and its just as bad
[00:28] <gimox> see you later :P
[00:29] <babylonsfury> just to make sure I didn't bork my own install lol
[00:29] <pablin> hi guys
[00:30] <babylonsfury> so currently running just keyboard, no mouse
[00:30] <pablin> i have a problem with my bluetooth
[00:30] <babylonsfury> I had an old serial (RS232) keyboard
[00:31] <babylonsfury> and I have an rs232 port, no PS/2 ports though :(
[00:31] <babylonsfury> I have a serial, rs 232 mouse too, but only one port, figured I was better off with the keyboard than mouse!
[00:31] <pablin> some body help me please
[00:32] <babylonsfury> but I have 0 understanding of the linux usb controllers
[00:33] <babylonsfury> what package controls the usb in kubuntu?
[00:34] <babylonsfury> or is that part of the kernel? if its just a package, can I update just that one, to the current jaunty package, which does work?
[00:34] <yowshi> ok why does my taskbar manager thing keep glitching??? grrr this is annoying i keep having to kill and then restart plasma
[00:35] <Dragnslcr> yowshi- what version of KDE?
[00:35] <babylonsfury> any ubuntu guru's out there know?
[00:36] <yowshi> Dragnslcr: not entirely sure how do i cjeck?
[00:36] <yowshi> check
[00:37] <Dragnslcr> Help -> About KDE in any KDE4 apps (Konversation isn't)
[00:37] <yowshi> Dragnslcr: but considering that i have only been using kde for a month or so i would say the latest version you can get on a 64bit system
[00:37] <Dragnslcr> K Menu -> Help will open up the system help, then Help -> About KDE there
[00:37] <yowshi> i dont use konversation i use pidgin
[00:38] <yowshi> 4.2.00
[00:40] <Dragnslcr> I dunno then. I haven't had plasma crash on me in 4.2
[00:40] <yowshi> the glitch doesnt start out that major just lines over the window titles but i have seen it alot and it progresses to the point where the window i click on isnt the window that winds up selected
[00:40] <yowshi> then i have to kill plasma and restart it to get it to function right
[00:58] <Odd-rationale> hello! does kubuntu have an usb-creator on the livecd? if not, can i simply apt-get install usb-creator? and will this usb-creator create an Ubuntu usb, or a Kubuntu usb? Thanks so much!
[01:04] <Cycom> supposedly you can set up kmplayer to use the xine backend.   how would I go about doing this? I have xine installed, but as far as I can tell, the only options are phonom and mplayer
[01:06] <devilsadvocate> babylonsfury, it should be in the kernel
[01:09] <Pollywog> Konqueror in Hardy crashes when I move files between directories (sometimes) but there do not seem to be any -dbg packages for it.  Does this mean I cannot submit some debug info?
[01:12] <Elone> hi how do i know what is the problem ?  sometimes my laptop won't wake up after suspend on RAM.
[01:13] <Pollywog> Elone: I have the same problem, the hardware is just not fully compatible with Linux
[01:13] <Elone> Pollywog, >.< no fix for that?
[01:14] <Pollywog> Elone: you could Google for your laptop model and possibly find one
[01:14] <Pollywog> or check the forums
[01:14] <Pollywog> ubuntuforums
[01:15] <Elone> Pollywog, no luck on that
[01:19] <kalidar> hey guys ok so i got enemy terratory instaled on my kde 4.1 on ubuntu 8.10 intell duo core, i have to use metacity --replace everytime i want to play the game but even still i cannot hear any sound
[01:19] <kalidar> i was wondreing if perhaps someone could help me make sound work
[01:20] <kalidar> how do i find out what my sound is so i can echo it perhaps that would work
[01:21] <ubuntu_> quick question, I'm thinking of coming over to kde from gnome....Is installing programs as easy...like does it use sypantic?
[01:21] <ubuntu_> and updating aswell?
[01:21] <Dragnslcr> You can use Synaptic if you want
[01:22] <Dragnslcr> The default package manager for KDE is Adept
[01:22] <ubuntu_> As cool
[01:22] <ubuntu_> Ah*
[01:22] <Dragnslcr> Well, I should say Kubuntu
[01:22] <andrew__> are ubuntu questions fair game here, or should i switch to a different channeL/
[01:23] <Dragnslcr> You'd probably have better luck in #ubuntu
[01:23] <andrew__> okay, thanks
[01:23] <kalidar> alidar> hey guys ok so i got enemy terratory instaled on my kde 4.1 on ubuntu 8.10 intell duo core, i have to use metacity --replace everytime i want to play the game but even still i cannot hear any sound
 i was wondreing if perhaps someone could help me make sound work
[01:23] <Riesh> andrew__: depends on how gnome specific your question is
[01:23] <wotan> anybody knows how to use strigi through krunner?
[01:23] <ubuntu_> Personal opinon. Do you think that, that Kubuntu is more powerful than Ubuntu.? Basically I have a extremly powerful computer....Wasn't inpressed on how fast ubuntu was with it. So was thinking it could be the wiondows manager. Do you think it would be faster KDE that is....I know you can't say for sure and that its an opinon. Thast all im really asking for.
[01:25] <Dragnslcr> I wouldn't expect KDE to run much faster or slower than Gnome
[01:25] <kalidar> i personaly i think if you want looks go for kde if you want preformance go gnome
[01:25] <kalidar> gnome is more stable than kde in my opinion
[01:25] <kalidar> but kde looks alot nicer
[01:25] <ubuntu_> kde is alot different lol
[01:25] <Dragnslcr> If you have a computer that's only a year or two old, it should handle KDE and Gnome fine
[01:25] <ubuntu_> its 4 days old
[01:25] <ubuntu_> lol
[01:25] <kalidar> alidar> hey guys ok so i got enemy terratory instaled on my kde 4.1 on ubuntu 8.10 intell duo core, i have to use metacity --replace everytime i want to play the game but even still i cannot hear any sound
 i was wondreing if perhaps someone could help me make sound work
[01:26] <Dragnslcr> If you're having performance problems, it's probably because of something else
[01:26] <Pollywog> I find that KDE is more configurable, but Gnome crashes less
[01:26] <kalidar> whats the other enviroment called? i cant rember xsomething
[01:26] <kalidar> xice or osmething
[01:26] <ubuntu_> i just built it. phenom II 940 Quad Black / 8gig Ram
[01:26] <Pollywog> I can get KDE pretty much like I want it
[01:26] <Pollywog> xfce
[01:26] <kalidar> if your using a beast computer like that you should be using windows
[01:27] <kalidar> its wasted on linux
[01:27] <kalidar> just a heads up
[01:27] <ubuntu_> Really?
[01:27] <kalidar> well what are you gona use al that computeing power on linux for?
[01:27] <kalidar> not like you do anything hardcore with linux that requires that kinda hardware
[01:27] <kalidar> linux can run on the crappyest computer in the world ;)
[01:28] <ubuntu_> so can windows....
[01:28] <kalidar> you can run linux off a flashdrive lol
[01:28] <kalidar> not rly
[01:28] <kalidar> you try to install vista on a computer more than 2 yrs old
[01:28] <kalidar> and see what happens ;)
[01:28] <ubuntu_> Are you saying that *Unix don't reconize that much speed?
[01:28] <kalidar> nono
[01:28] <kalidar> unix does
[01:28] <ubuntu_> I have Vista on now.
[01:28] <ubuntu_> how about Linux
[01:28] <ubuntu_> lol
[01:29] <kalidar> its just that i mean that kinda power is only realy good for runing many programs that require alot of system resources
[01:29] <kalidar> nothing on linux requires much power
[01:29] <kalidar> and not like u can play games or anything
[01:29] <Riesh> kalidar: saying because he has a beast of a computer he should use windows is not good advice, imho.
[01:29] <ubuntu_> I got it cuase its cheap now....And video encoding Does take alot of resource.
[01:29] <kalidar> why not riesh?
[01:29] <kalidar> just friendly advice
[01:29] <Riesh> kalidar: why yes ? ...
[01:30] <kalidar> well its true tho? linux dosent need anything to run
[01:30] <ubuntu_> I will say that Vista is very very fast on this box.
[01:30] <kalidar> so hes computer power is just not being utalized
[01:30] <kalidar> rite?
[01:30] <ubuntu_> But I honestly don't like windows...
[01:30] <kalidar> i hate windows
[01:30] <ubuntu_> And i noticed a performace decrease in gnome.
[01:30] <kalidar> but with that much power lol maby windows would be wicked
[01:31] <ubuntu_> i built it for just under $700
[01:31] <kalidar> gnome is a resource hog but its way more stable than kde
[01:31] <ubuntu_> its cheap these days..
[01:31] <kalidar> atleast for me anyway
[01:31] <kalidar> not bad
[01:31] <Riesh> kalidar: because he might use this power after all ... when editing movies or so ... or using virtualbox ... or etc etc ... there are enough situations where a awfull lot of power is handy ..
[01:31] <kalidar> true i dident think of that
[01:32] <ubuntu_> my main thing i do in internet., web programing and Video encoding
[01:32] <ubuntu_> and i have encoding going all the time.
[01:32] <kalidar> nice ;)
[01:32] <ubuntu_> thats main reason for horse power.
[01:32] <Riesh> So ... yes .. then the more pwoer and more ram is better
[01:32] <Riesh> power*
[01:32] <ubuntu_> nothing worse than hittin FF and it taking 10 seconds to load lol
[01:32] <kalidar> yeah riesh is rite i never thought of that
[01:33] <kalidar> im still relitivly new to linux compaird to hem lol
[01:33] <ubuntu_> now i can encode and do whatever i want. its like its not encoding
[01:33] <kalidar> i would take hes word over mine anyday
[01:33] <ubuntu_> and it cut 2  hours off time.
[01:33] <josh-l> how can i reset my sound card? something happened i dont have sound
[01:33] <Riesh> ubuntu_: Nice :-)
[01:33] <ubuntu_> im just trying to get opinions lol
[01:33] <kalidar> josh if you figure that one out leme know too
[01:33] <kalidar> i nee to figure out how to get sound to work with ET
[01:34] <Riesh> ubuntu_: kde should be no problem on your system  :-)
[01:34] <kalidar> riesh does Xfice require a better system?
[01:34] <kalidar> or better knolidge of unix
[01:34] <Riesh> xfce ?
[01:34] <kalidar> the other desktop
[01:34] <kalidar> theirs 3 gnome kde and another one starts with x
[01:34] <Pollywog> xfce4
[01:34] <kalidar> yeah that one
[01:35] <kalidar> you dont hear much of xfce tho i wonder why?
[01:35] <Riesh> xubuntu
[01:35] <kalidar> i want to try it is it any good guys?
[01:35] <Pollywog> isn't xubuntu based on xfce?
[01:35] <ubuntu_> i think xfce requires less.
[01:35] <Riesh> don't know :-) ... never tried it ... is is a smalelr and faster as gnome and kde i think
[01:36] <Pollywog> yes it is smaller and faster than KDE and Gnome
[01:36] <kalidar> hmm im tempted to try it
[01:36] <Pollywog> runs on slow laptops
[01:36] <Riesh> Pollywog: yes it is
[01:36] <kalidar> but il miss kde so much
[01:36] <josh-l> nm got it
[01:36] <kalidar> kde has alot of eyecandy XD
[01:36] <ubuntu_> Riesh: do you think that kde will perform better than gnome?
[01:36] <josh-l> kalidar: i just went to system settings, multimedia, sound, and changed the deferred device to pulseaudio
[01:36] <kalidar> gnome should preforme better
[01:37] <josh-l> nope
[01:37] <kalidar> thanks josh
[01:37] <Riesh> ubuntu_: no ... :-) ... but your computer won't have any problems with it ...
[01:37] <kalidar> ill try that cuz for some reason my sound works fine untill i try to play enemy terratory
[01:37] <ubuntu_> Cool
[01:38] <kalidar> i say go with kde :)
[01:38] <kalidar> we need more kde users XD
[01:38] <Riesh> ubuntu_: i think you can choose anything you want ...
[01:38] <Pollywog> kalidar: there is a fix for that
[01:38] <kalidar> pollly hit me ;)
[01:38] <ubuntu_> Is the latest coming out in April? like gnome?
[01:38] <ubuntu_> newer*
[01:38] <gimox> eheh... here i am with kubuntu 9.04 beta :)
[01:38] <gimox> simply fantastic
[01:38] <Riesh> ubuntu_: yes
[01:38] <kalidar> gimox! how is it?
[01:38] <Riesh> :-)
[01:38] <kalidar> better than 8.10?
[01:39] <ubuntu_> Same as 8.10? Like look and feel?
[01:39] <Riesh> kalidar: it rockz :-P
[01:39] <gimox> if you prefer kde 4 it's surely better
[01:39] <gimox> kde 4.2.1 it's absolutely stable
[01:39] <kalidar> realy! but because its beta wont it have alot of debuging stil let to do?
[01:39] <Pollywog> If you google enemy territory and sound in Google Linux, you can find the fix, it is just one line you put in /etc/init.d/bootmisc
[01:39] <gimox> not really... in ubuntu the beta release is just a bit less than official release
[01:39] <gimox> from today to 27 april
[01:39] <FACHF> if you like it nice
[01:39] <kalidar> polly could you plz send me a link ive ben lokin for that fix all day
[01:39] <kalidar> i couldent find it
[01:40] <gimox> ubuntu devs will just correct documentations
[01:40] <Pollywog> k
[01:40] <kalidar> ok so if i go get 9.2 beta of kubunut i can just upgrade from the update manager in apt-get rite?
[01:40] <kalidar> and thattle make it a full release?
[01:41] <Pollywog> kalidar, see if this works:
[01:41] <Pollywog> http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/gaming-games-multimedia-entertainment/19228-sound-doesnt-work-enemy-territory.html
[01:41] <kalidar> forget i asked that question lol god im stupid sometimes
[01:41] <a> hi
[01:41] <Pollywog> the fix is the third post there
[01:41] <kalidar> yo polllly thanks alot for that man ;)
[01:42] <Pollywog> if it works, just put the line in your startup scripts
[01:42] <kalidar> youve no idea how long i was lookin for that fix thismorning lol
[01:42] <kalidar> pre kde or just startup?
[01:42] <fachfgnome> hi a
[01:42] <a> hi
[01:42] <Pollywog> kalidar: the startup scripts in /etc/init.d
[01:42] <Pollywog> I used /etc/init.d/bootmisc
[01:43] <kalidar> actualy i have another problem sence you bring up startup scripts polly
[01:43]  * Riesh got a message his new kernel image asks for a reboot ... brb
[01:43] <Pollywog> perhaps Ubuntu does not have bootmisc I do not recall
[01:43] <Pollywog> but you can make your own script
[01:43] <kalidar> polly when i go into settings and click advanced and then click startup
[01:43] <kalidar> a window comes up and i click startup script and in it i type metacity --replace
[01:43] <a> hello everyone
[01:43] <kalidar> but it dosent do that when i load kde
[01:43] <kalidar> why??
[01:44] <Pollywog> kalidar do you want to change your window manager to metacity?
[01:44] <kalidar> yes
[01:44] <kalidar> forever
[01:44] <Pollywog> do you want to change it for all users?
[01:44] <kalidar> yes forever!
[01:44] <kalidar> lol
[01:45] <kalidar> i hate typeing metacity --replace all the time and then i gota reorganize my widgets and stuff
[01:45] <kalidar> grr
[01:45] <Pollywog> use update-alternatives
[01:45] <Pollywog> man update-alternatives
[01:45] <kalidar> thats it?
[01:45] <ubuntu_> Ok everyone I guess I'm out for now.
[01:45] <kalidar> ok ill type that
[01:45] <Pollywog> no you have to add some switches
[01:45] <kalidar> l8tr ubun
[01:45] <kalidar> luck bro
[01:45] <Pollywog> hold on
[01:45] <ubuntu_> I'm gong to hold off until final verion is released.
[01:45] <kalidar> ok poly
[01:46] <kalidar> il wate for u
[01:46] <kalidar> ubun
[01:46] <ubuntu_> Then I'll install and give it a try :)
[01:46] <ubuntu_> Thanks for ya'lls time
[01:46] <kalidar> what are u running rite now ubun
[01:46] <ubuntu_> vista right now.
[01:46] <kalidar> switch rite now ;) trust me
[01:46] <ubuntu_> well tech
[01:46] <ubuntu_> KDE
[01:46] <kalidar> youll want some practice
[01:46] <ubuntu_> im on the live cd
[01:46] <kalidar> befor you instal your final system
[01:47] <kalidar> i formated my linux like 4 times befor i knew what i was doing with it
[01:47] <ubuntu_> lol
[01:47] <kalidar> and i tryed every distrobution
[01:47] <Pollywog> http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/91
[01:47] <ubuntu_> I have been runing linux for about a year
[01:47] <ubuntu_> but only gnome
[01:47] <kalidar> aww ok
[01:47] <Pollywog> kalidar that is for you
[01:47] <kalidar> try kde its worth it
[01:47] <Pollywog> ^^
[01:47] <kalidar> thanks pollywog il read it ;)
[01:47] <fjallagyldir> hej guy stuck in trouble with my wificard
[01:47] <kalidar> polly im not using debian tho
[01:47] <ubuntu_> Ok later yal
[01:48] <kalidar> l8tr
[01:48] <Pollywog> kalidar: should work in Ubuntu
[01:49] <Pollywog> like this update-alternatives --config x-window-manager
[01:49] <kalidar> ok leme check can u stic around for a while i mite need you
[01:49] <kalidar> just type that?
[01:49] <Pollywog> then you choose the one you want
[01:49] <Pollywog> yes
[01:49] <kalidar> ok il do it now
[01:49] <Pollywog> as root

[01:49] <Pollywog> or sudo
[01:49] <kalidar> sudo update-alternatives --config x-window-manager?
[01:49] <Pollywog> yes
[01:49] <kalidar> thx
[01:50] <fjallagyldir> can anybody in her help me?
[01:50] <Pollywog> just ask your question
[01:50] <kalidar> omg pollywog i could kis you
[01:50] <Pollywog> if someone knows
[01:50] <Pollywog> did it work?
[01:50] <kalidar> ive been tryin to figure this out for a while !! ok so it said permision denied
[01:50] <kalidar> how do i log in as root sudo dident work
[01:50] <Pollywog> you used sudo?
[01:50] <kalidar> maby superuser?
[01:51] <kalidar> oh nvm
[01:51] <Pollywog> then you did not set yourself uyp for sudo so use root
[01:51] <kalidar> forgot i dident coppy sudo lol
[01:51] <Pollywog> k
[01:51] <a> Hi kalidar, could I know how to change text color ?
[01:51] <fjallagyldir> problem is its anatheros ar5007g chipset, madwifi drivers installed but nopthing appaers with iwconfig
[01:51] <kalidar> well that was too easy
[01:52] <kalidar> that couldent have been all
[01:52] <Pollywog> fjallagyldir: did you use ndiswrapper?
[01:52] <kalidar> that was so simple XD
[01:52] <Pollywog> kalidar, you will find out if you restart X
[01:52] <kalidar> thats ok i dont have to restart i belive its my default now
[01:52] <Pollywog> k
[01:52] <kalidar> it said using metacity to provide x window manager
[01:52] <fjallagyldir> no i used madwifi restricted modules, and it should be supported according to ther HP
[01:53] <fjallagyldir> http://www.wireless-driver.com/download/atheros/Atheros-Wirelss-Module-Model-and-Chipset.htm Pollywog
[01:53] <kalidar> im gona go read those sound fixes thakns man ill be back in a bit
[01:53] <kalidar> a you want to know how to change text color?
[01:54] <kalidar> what version of irc are you supporting rite now?
[01:54] <kalidar> irssi?
[01:54] <Pollywog> fjallagyldir: did you look in the wiki?
[01:54] <kalidar> or xchat or konversation
[01:54] <kalidar> a
[01:54] <Pollywog> fjallagyldir: I am pretty sure the Ubuntu wiki has the info you need to get it working
[01:55] <fjallagyldir> which one do u mean Pollywog
[01:55] <Pollywog> you can google for it
[01:55] <kalidar> if you say someones name in irc it highlights a different color like private message rite?
[01:55] <Pollywog> you installed the drivers, apparently
[01:55] <fjallagyldir> asked google, so far no luck
[01:55] <Pollywog> hold on
[01:56] <Pollywog> fjallagyldir: Hardy or Intrepid?
[01:57] <Pollywog> this info is for atheros wifi on Intrepid: http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu:Intrepid#Atheros_Cards
[01:58] <fjallagyldir> found something and will try it
[01:59] <kalidar> polly i tryed artsdsp -v -m et but it says extention not found
[02:00] <kalidar> pollywog
[02:01] <kalidar> is that because i instaled the game localy instead of systemwide?
[02:02] <kalidar> anyone? how would i preform artsdsp -v -m et on a localy instaled file?
[02:02] <kalidar> ls
[02:03] <casinowarren> I have a question about a program that I just downloaded
[02:04] <kalidar> shoot
[02:04] <casinowarren> I downloaded virtual box, and want to know if there is anything else that I need to install to make it work
[02:04] <casinowarren> like to get USB support or to get the OS to read the internet
[02:04] <kalidar> sorry not a clue whas a virtual box?
[02:05] <kalidar> whats
[02:05] <casinowarren> virtual box allows you to install another OS inside of linux
[02:05] <kalidar> kinda like wine?
[02:05] <babylonsfury> alright damn sweet, new 9.04 beta works perfect out of box, first one to work from the get go
[02:05] <Riesh> casinowarren: you need to get the user into the vboxusers group
[02:05] <Riesh> kalidar: no like vmware
[02:05] <casinowarren> ok
[02:05] <kalidar> realy! how do i get a virtualbox
[02:05] <kalidar> i gota pay for it?
[02:06] <Riesh> :-) ... no
[02:06] <casinowarren> get it from your repositories
[02:06] <babylonsfury> no video issues, no special boot options, no usb problems, no nothing, no sound missing, no printer missing, it just works
[02:06] <casinowarren> type in virtual box
[02:06] <Riesh> apt-cache search virtualbox
[02:06] <casinowarren> how do i do that riesh?
[02:06] <kalidar> do i have to partition offf hardspace to run a virtual box?
[02:06] <babylonsfury> after 2 days of messing with command lines you don't know how good that feels :)
[02:06] <Riesh> casinowarren: using kde ?
[02:06] <casinowarren> yeah you set it up
[02:06] <casinowarren> yeah using kde
[02:07] <kalidar> crazy! i dident kow that existed
[02:07] <Riesh> casinowarren: go to System -> user manager ...
[02:07] <kalidar> so you could have windows running inside a window on yr desktop!?
[02:07] <casinowarren> yeah
[02:07] <casinowarren> a full copy of it
[02:07] <kalidar> whaaaaaaaaat man im downloading windows
[02:07] <casinowarren> a full installation
[02:07] <kalidar> and throwin it on my linux
[02:07] <kalidar> so i can play games and crap lol
[02:07] <kalidar> thx
[02:07] <Riesh> kalidar: not really ...
[02:08] <kalidar> oh btw anyone know how i can artsdsp -v -m et a localy instaled file?
[02:08] <kalidar> why not riesh?
[02:08] <Riesh> directx is not really supported
[02:08] <casinowarren> no it isn't
[02:08] <kalidar> aww then whats the point then :(
[02:08] <devilsadvocate> casinowarren, usb support is a bit of a pain, but it can be setup. internet works out of the box
[02:08] <casinowarren> because it makes it easier to install some programs
[02:08] <kalidar> only reason you would ever want another system outside of linux is for gameing lol
[02:08] <Riesh> There are other programs which are windows only
[02:08] <kalidar> linux has everything else masterd
[02:09] <kalidar> hmm i getcha
[02:09] <devilsadvocate> casinowarren, i'd suggest getting the guest additions iso
[02:09] <casinowarren> devilsadvocate: it didn't work when I tried to use the net
[02:09] <kalidar> still that is prety cool il have to rember that
[02:09] <babylonsfury> only cause directx is still the current standard :P
[02:09] <casinowarren> devilsadvocate: where do I get the guest additions?
[02:09] <devilsadvocate> casinowarren, did you setup your network card (on vbox) to do NAT?
[02:09] <babylonsfury> once directx goes bye bye...
[02:09] <babylonsfury> and a new portable standard comes along...
[02:09] <casinowarren> ummmmmmmmmmm....i'm not sure
[02:09] <casinowarren> let me open it up
[02:09] <kalidar> hopefuly
[02:09] <babylonsfury> that would make things a lot better :) not sure I'd say perfect, but a lot better
[02:10] <devilsadvocate> casinowarren, i dont remember. click on the install guest additions option in the menu and it will link to it
[02:10] <kalidar> so direct x is the only thing that wont work on a virtual box?
[02:10] <casinowarren> Riesh: what user do I need to put in the vbox?
[02:10] <casinowarren> alright
[02:10] <Riesh> casinowarren: you have a group vboxusers ... and you need to add your user account in there
[02:10] <fachfgnome> hello
[02:10] <fjallagyldir> casinowarren, you should also install virtualbox-tools (dont remember the correct name)
[02:11] <a> hi
[02:11] <kalidar> artsdsp -v -m et can anyone tle me how i can preform that command on a localy installed file?
[02:11] <Riesh> casinowarren: after that you have to log out and login again to make this work ...
[02:11] <casinowarren> alright
[02:12] <kalidar> artsdsp -v -m (filepath) dosent work ither
[02:12] <kalidar> tryed boath
[02:12] <kalidar> anyone?
[02:12] <casinowarren> Reish: thanks
[02:13] <casinowarren> fjallagyldir: I can get that from the repositories right?
[02:13] <Riesh> casinowarren: welcome
[02:13] <kalidar> nobudy knows??
[02:13] <casinowarren> know's what kalidar?
[02:13] <kalidar> hmm guess i could mess around a while
[02:14] <kalidar> i ned to know how to preform artsdsp -v -m on a localy installe file
[02:14] <fjallagyldir> think so just installed it on my gentoo box casinowarren, or maybe when you start VB it asks you if it should install these thing
[02:14] <kalidar> it wont work cuz the file i instaled isent system wide rite?
[02:14] <Riesh> casinowarren: i suggest you install from the virtualbox site yourself .. then you always can get the latest software ...
[02:14] <fjallagyldir> i also remember a menu where you can install that stuff casinowarren
[02:15] <casinowarren> alright, i'll uninstall and download
[02:15] <Riesh> casinowarren: i have this in my /etc/apt/sources.list: deb http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/debian intrepid non-free
[02:17] <casinowarren> do I put that in my repositories list?
[02:17] <Riesh> yes
[02:17] <casinowarren> ok
[02:17] <kalidar> a;kjgf;akgdj;ag
[02:17] <Riesh> but on their site it is explained very well
[02:17] <kalidar> stupid documentation is so vague
[02:17] <kalidar> ill try ubuntu its to busy here l8tr guys
[02:18] <casinowarren> ok, hond on just a second
[02:18] <Riesh> http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Linux_Downloads
[02:18] <tapas_> hello
[02:19] <chx> how can i safely shut down a kde3 w/o a mouse?
[02:19] <chx> i mean, i can type in shutdown now but hwo can i get to the kde shutdown menu
[02:21] <chx> ahhh good old ctrl+alt+del
[02:21] <casinowarren> Riesh: what's that?
[02:21] <Riesh> casinowarren: what is what?
[02:21] <casinowarren> the link you sent me
[02:22] <Riesh> it's from the website virtualbox ...
[02:22] <Riesh> sometimes they have newer versions of virtualbox then in the repositories
[02:23] <casinowarren> alright
[02:25] <marco__> hi everybody
[02:25] <marco__> I am looking for help
[02:26] <casinowarren> i'm downloading the newest version of the program now
[02:26] <casinowarren> once it downloads, it should update what I currently have right?
[02:27] <Riesh> casinowarren: depends on which version you have now installed
[02:27] <fachfgnome> tell me marco__
[02:27] <marco__> I had to reinstall 8.04 on my pc because after upgrading to 8.10 is crashed at startup and had grub problems. After reinstalling my video card is not recognized and I have to use xrandr everytime I log in. My videocard is a VIA S3 chipset K8M800, openchrome seems o be useless and recionfiguring xorg I am just askd a few questions on my keyboard, nothing more
[02:27] <casinowarren> 2.0.4
[02:27] <fachfgnome> marco speak spanish
[02:28] <Riesh> i think you betetr first un-install that
[02:28] <casinowarren> alright
[02:28] <marco__> I cannot speak spanish I am not spanish
[02:28] <Riesh> because they both use the vboxdrv and vboxnet .... probably will give conflicts
[02:29] <casinowarren> i see
[02:29] <casinowarren> well i'm uninstalling right now
[02:29] <casinowarren> i'm so anxious
[02:29] <Riesh> OK ... after that install with sudo apt-get install virtualbox-2.1
[02:29] <casinowarren> even though i downloaded the .deb file?
[02:30] <marco__> any help??
[02:30] <casinowarren> hold on marco, i'm reading what you said
[02:30] <Riesh> casinowarren: no .. then install with sudo dpkg -i virtualbox-2.1.deb ... (don't know if thats the name)
[02:31] <casinowarren> ok one second
[02:32] <jlc> amarok 2 not support ipods anymore?
[02:32] <a> bye everybody!
[02:34] <Riesh> marco__: personaly i nver had good experiences with uppgrading from one release to another release ... so i not really recommending that. Better start from a fresh install
[02:34] <marco__> well
[02:34] <marco__> that is what i did
[02:36] <Riesh> you installed again from 8.04.2?
[02:37] <marco__> yes exactly
[02:38] <devilsadvocate> marco__, yeah. most of the stuff is not handled by xrandr, not form xorg.conf
[02:38] <marco__> yeah but reconfiguring that is no use
[02:39] <devilsadvocate> yeah, it wont be
[02:43] <casinowarren> Reish: it keeps telling me that the same package is available in a software channel
[02:43] <dr_willis> I always do fresh installs also.
[02:43] <Riesh> casinowarren: what you mean ? ...
[02:43] <casinowarren> Riesh: when I try to install the .deb package
[02:43] <Riesh> what tells when you do what?
[02:44] <casinowarren> there is a window that pops up and tells me
[02:44] <Riesh> really ? ... but you said you installed 2.0.4 from the repositories ... and 2.1 i newer then that
[02:45] <casinowarren> i know
[02:45] <casinowarren> that's why i'm lost and getting frustrated
[02:45] <Riesh> casinowarren: i mostly install things like debs on the command line
[02:45] <casinowarren> i tried to do it like that, and it wouldn't let me
[02:46] <Riesh> ???
[02:46] <casinowarren> so i double clicked on it and let the installer do it's thing
[02:46] <casinowarren> because i installed the deb installer package
[02:46] <Riesh> sudo dpkg -i vbox.deb ?
[02:47] <casinowarren> sudo dpkg -i then the package name
[02:48] <Riesh> casinowarren: and after that you get an error message that the same package is also in the repositories ?
[02:48] <casinowarren> yeah, it let's me know that the same version is in a software channel
[02:49] <Riesh> But you did not add the virtualbox.org repository, right ?
[02:49] <casinowarren> yes i did with the info you gave me
[02:49] <Riesh> aaaaaaaahhhh ...
[02:50] <Riesh> then just install with sudo apt-get install virtualbox-2.1
[02:50] <Riesh> there was no need to download the deb file also
[02:51] <jnalli> I can't get any screensavers to work in neon nightly
[02:51] <jnalli> how come?
[02:51] <jnalli> KDE 4.2
[02:51] <Riesh> jnalli: what is neon nightly ? :-)
[02:52] <jnalli> isnt that kde 4.2?
[02:52] <Riesh> jnalli: i don't think you are running nightly builds of kde 4.2
[02:52] <jnalli> how do i tell?
[02:52] <devilsadvocate> jnalli, Neon is amarok's nightly build codename
[02:53] <jnalli> Oh
[02:53] <devilsadvocate> kde 4.2 is kde 4.2, and is stable (ie, no nightlies)
[02:53] <jnalli> my screensavers dont work
[02:53] <jnalli> or none are included
[02:53] <devilsadvocate> jnalli, i think none are included
[02:54] <fjallagyldir> finally got my wifi running
[02:54] <jnalli> how do i get them?
[02:54] <devilsadvocate> jnalli, searching
[02:54] <Riesh> apt-cache search screensaver
[02:54] <devilsadvocate> jnalli, install kscreensaver
[02:55] <jnalli> how?
[02:55] <Riesh> sudo apt-get install kscreensaver
[02:55] <jnalli> sudo apt-get install kscreensaver?
[02:55] <devilsadvocate> yeah
[02:57] <jnalli> Okay.. I'll try it
[02:57] <jnalli> it's installing something
[03:15] <nicholas__> hello
[03:15] <tacosarecool> ok
[03:16] <tacosarecool> Is the 9.04 beta worth it?
[03:23] <khindenburg> tacosarecool: no idea, just burned the dvd... need to try it
[03:26] <Zxcvb> is there a version of kubuntu for netbooks?
[03:28] <devilsadvocate> Zxcvb, not that i know of
[03:29] <devilsadvocate> Zxcvb, there isnt really much different, is there?
[03:30] <Zxcvb> other than not taking up as much hard drive space and disabling graphical effects and quickstart stuff by default, I don't think so
[03:30] <Daskreech> What's the Harddrive partioner?
[03:31] <devilsadvocate> Zxcvb, hm
[03:31] <devilsadvocate> Daskreech, qtparted might work. dont know what the default is
[03:31] <nightdrever> ji
[03:32] <Daskreech> devilsadvocate: Ok thanks
[03:32] <nightdrever> hi*
[03:32] <devilsadvocate> Zxcvb, i dont know how you can reduce hard drive usage from a default kubuntu install
[03:32] <devilsadvocate> its pretty minimal to start with
[03:33] <devilsadvocate> Zxcvb, http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/151
[03:35] <Zxcvb> not counting swap and /home space, how much disk space does a default install use?
[03:37] <devilsadvocate> i think around 2 gb, maybe 3 at most
[03:37] <devilsadvocate> i dont really remember now
[03:37] <devilsadvocate> there was a time when my entire /, including home, was on 6 gb
[03:37] <devilsadvocate> (a long time ago)
[03:38] <Zxcvb> just checking, as I have an old laptop (1ghz, 512mb ram) that only has a 20gb hard drive
[03:38] <Zxcvb> going to set it up for use as a netbook
[03:38] <devilsadvocate> (~2 years, home was probably about 2 g)
[03:38] <devilsadvocate> ah
[03:38] <devilsadvocate> i have a similar laptop, 800 MHz, 284 MB ram
[03:38] <devilsadvocate> 384*
[03:38] <devilsadvocate> 80 G hard drive though
[03:38] <Zxcvb> so the goal is to have as much space as possible for /home
[03:39] <Zxcvb> unfortunately the cdrom doesn't work and I don't think it supports booting from usb
[03:39] <devilsadvocate> you can still install
[03:40] <devilsadvocate> do you have a working operating system on it?
[03:40] <Daskreech> !install
[03:40] <Zxcvb> windows 2000, I think
[03:42] <devilsadvocate> there is a grub for windows. not sure if it supports 2000, possibly not. you can check. its possible to install with it
[03:43] <deus_> nass
[03:43] <devilsadvocate> alternatively, there is a way in which on win NT and its successors, of which i think 2000 is one of them, you can use the windows bootloader to point to a linux image
[03:44] <Daskreech> Zxcvb: Does it havea network card?
[03:45] <Zxcvb> yes
[03:45] <Zxcvb> is there anything like smart boot manager that can boot from usb?
[03:58] <marco__> hey
[03:58] <marco__> anybody can help me??
[03:58] <marco__>  I had to reinstall 8.04 on my pc because after upgrading to 8.10 is crashed at startup and had grub problems. After reinstalling my video card is not recognized and I have to use xrandr everytime I log in. My videocard is a VIA S3 chipset K8M800, openchrome seems o be useless and recionfiguring xorg I am just askd a few questions on my keyboard, nothing more
[04:00] <Daskreech> Via has it's own driver
[04:00] <Daskreech> somethingsomethign chrome
[04:06] <marco__>  I had to reinstall 8.04 on my pc because after upgrading to 8.10 is crashed at startup and had grub problems. After reinstalling my video card is not recognized and I have to use xrandr everytime I log in. My videocard is a VIA S3 chipset K8M800, openchrome seems o be useless and recionfiguring xorg I am just askd a few questions on my keyboard, nothing more
[04:12] <babylonsfury> hey guys
[04:12] <babylonsfury> my usb keyboard in kubuntu here, is dirt slow
[04:12] <babylonsfury> and so is my mouse, sluggish slow
[04:12] <babylonsfury> its not a video problem, just updated video card drivers, and 3d runs beautifully
[04:12] <babylonsfury> as does 2d performance
[04:18] <khindenburg> babylonsfury: just guessing, have you check the system settings->keyboard&mouse to see if anything strange is set?.... have you tried in a vt ?
[04:20] <Zxcvb> is there a way to install kubuntu via loadlin?
[04:24] <AlabamaHit> Hi everyone.
[04:24] <AlabamaHit> I'm installing now...i have a quick questin on it
[04:25] <AlabamaHit> I have windows installed already. On the partion setup does Install them side by side mean that its going to dual boot?
[04:25] <babylonsfury> khindenburg: whats a vt
[04:26] <khindenburg> AlabamaHit: I don't think the partition setup has anything to do w/ dual boot.  Grub will automatically find Windows OS
[04:26] <AlabamaHit> Yeah, thats what is odd on there is don't say the windows OS. it says sda1
[04:26] <khindenburg> babylonsfury: virtual terminal... hit ctrl+alt+f1, then ctrl+alt+f7 to get back to X
[04:27] <khindenburg> AlabamaHit: you should check out the install howtos just to be sure
[04:27] <khindenburg> !install
[04:27] <AlabamaHit> humm....print screen taking picture.....is there a way in KDE to take screen shot?
[04:28] <khindenburg> AlabamaHit: ksnapshot
[04:28] <babylonsfury> khindenburg: trying vt now
[04:29] <khindenburg> babylonsfury: you won't have a mouse but you should be able to check keyboard
[04:29] <khindenburg> babylonsfury: try to edit a file and see how fast you can type
[04:29] <babylonsfury> khindenburg: yeah its taking a while to load vt
[04:30] <babylonsfury> khindenburg: something about a no resume image doing normal boot, and a first time init, performing custom init procedure
[04:31] <khindenburg> babylonsfury: to load?  it should be < 1 sec to get to the screen
[04:31] <AlabamaHit> khindenburg: http://s5.tinypic.com/13zvh1.jpg that is what im looking at....First time installing KDE...have used gnome..and in gnome it usually has version on there where sda1 is...
[04:31] <babylonsfury> khindenburg: yeah vt still hasn't loaded
[04:32] <khindenburg> AlabamaHit: well I use the bottom one, since I partition the HD w/ fdisk on a terminal... I'm not sure what the other options do
[04:32] <khindenburg> babylonsfury: yikes, that's not good... is the CPU at 100%?  You could log out and then try the vt
[04:34] <babylonsfury> khindenburg: not sure how to check cpu %, only third day in linux :)
[04:34] <khindenburg> AlabamaHit: read the help pages... you don't want to lose your windows partition
[04:34] <AlabamaHit> khindenburg: Just looked over them...Seems that is the option i was wanting. :)
[04:37] <khindenburg> babylonsfury: well if your CPU is at 100% then everything could be slow; you want to start System Monitor in the System menu
[04:37] <khindenburg> babylonsfury: so KDE button->applications->system->system monitor
[04:38] <babylonsfury> khindenburg: cpu 0% memory 614 MiB/23.8 GiB
[04:39] <khindenburg> babylonsfury: well that's good I guess.... I honestly don't know what would make keyboard/mouse that slow... or why  the vt would be slow
[04:39] <babylonsfury> khindenburg: vt appears to be locked up, not slow at this point
[04:39] <AlabamaHit> babylonsfury: wow 23 gig ram :P
[04:39] <Elone> >.> 23.8 GB ram..... >.>
[04:39] <AlabamaHit> thought my 8gig was high lol
[04:40] <babylonsfury> khindenburg: and all my usb input is slow, mouse and keyboard, keyboard is just the most annoying, can barely type
[04:40] <khindenburg> babylonsfury: you just installed Kubuntu on this system?  What version?
[04:42] <babylonsfury> khindenburg: jaunty beta 9.04 only thing that would even recognize my usb devices, and video, and audio, at same time
[04:42] <khindenburg> babylonsfury: oh beta... make sure you file a report on it
[04:43] <khindenburg> babylonsfury: if you have the liveCD beta, do you have the same issue?
[04:43] <babylonsfury> khindenburg: yep, on every livecd I have, including gnome, usb is so sluggish its not funny
[04:44] <babylonsfury> khindenburg: thought it was video, but can confirm its not
[04:44] <babylonsfury> khindenburg: neverwinter nights runs beautifully, with a whopping 105 fps
[04:45] <babylonsfury> khindenburg: tweaked the mouse settings and keyboard repeat settings, besides for keyboard being ridiculously sluggish, mouse is usable now, and keyboard doesn't repeat 35 of every character by me accidentally pushing a key
[04:46] <babylonsfury> khindenburg: and thank god for my laptop here, which doesn't have the issues, lol
[04:46] <khindenburg> babylonsfury: try an old non-usb keyboard/mouse if you have the stuff
[04:46] <babylonsfury> khindenburg: already tried a serial/rs232 keyboard, worked like a dang charm
[04:47] <khindenburg> babylonsfury: I just burned the beta liveDVD... haven't tried it yet though
[04:47] <babylonsfury> khindenburg: cool, I
[04:47] <babylonsfury> khindenburg: 'm pretty sure its the usb controller, just not sure what to play with/tweak to get it to run better, no clue where the usb settings are hidden
[04:48] <khindenburg> babylonsfury: think usb is handled by udev stuff now... /etc/udev... not sure if you  can do anything though
[04:51] <AlabamaHit> Has anyone else tried to dual boot.....the installer has been hung up at Resizing Partion for awhile.
[04:51] <babylonsfury> khindenburg: yeah dont see anything offhand I can tweak there :(
[04:52] <khindenburg> babylonsfury: have you tried the obvious?  remove your KVM (if you have one); changing the USB port... removing all the other USB devices?
[04:53] <babylonsfury> khindenburg: yep
[04:53] <khindenburg> AlabamaHit: resizing might take a long time... never tried it myself...
[04:55] <khindenburg> babylonsfury: don't know what to tell you... I would try a non-usb keyboard/mouse to test my system but that's due to I have old equippment around
[04:55] <babylonsfury> khindenburg: yeah I'm using an rs232 keyboard right now in addition to the usb
[04:56] <babylonsfury> khindenburg: but I need my rs232 port, as I do device level programming (AMX/Crestron) and use the port to communicate with the device masters lol
[04:56] <khindenburg> babylonsfury: no ps/2 keyboard/mouse laying around?
[04:57] <babylonsfury> khindenburg: no ps/2 ports :(
[04:57] <khindenburg> babylonsfury: I have connections ps/2->usb... think  I got them w/ some equipment I bought
[04:58] <khindenburg> babylonsfury: would rule out the usb keyboard/mouse
[04:58] <babylonsfury> khindenburg: might try disabling the usb 2.0 in bios
[04:59] <khindenburg> babylonsfury: yea, play around w/ bios
[04:59] <devilsadvocate> babylonsfury, lsmod | grep usb , dmesg |grep usb , lsusb might shed some light on the matter
[05:00] <snarkster> eveing all
[05:03] <babylonsfury> ha, usbhid unknown
[05:17] <holyscott> is there a comand I could use to apt-get the newest kde 4.2.1 desk top in a ubuntu based distro and end up basically the same place as the new beta? (from linux mint)
[05:20] <Daskreech> Aargh Quassel bad
[05:20] <Daskreech> and yet so good :(
[05:21] <khindenburg> Daskreech: haven't tried it yet... should I guess
[05:21] <Daskreech> No shortcut keeys makes me cry
[05:21] <Daskreech> but having the full live website pop up in a tooltip when you mouse over a link does make me smile
[05:23] <khindenburg> it requires sqlite which seems like a bit much for an irc client
[05:23] <devilsadvocate> holyscott, which ubuntu based distro, and what version?
[05:24]  * devilsadvocate agrees and disagrees with khindenburg 
[05:24] <Daskreech> khindenburg: Yeah that's where it keeps it's config
[05:24] <devilsadvocate> on the one hand, its good that stuff is moving into dbs, where stuff is db worthy
[05:25] <devilsadvocate> on the other hand, in the short term it just makes it painfully redundant to have a whole bunch of stuff just running
[05:25] <devilsadvocate> but sqlite is not so bad ... thats just a flatfile based system
[05:33] <zeltak> holy crap..im sooo impressed by jaunty ...i think its the best release since i started using dapper..
[05:33] <zeltak> anyone else agrees?
[05:37] <Daskreech> umm
[05:37] <khindenburg> zeltak: just burned DVD, haven't tried it yet
[05:38] <Daskreech> It's just in beta how long have you been using it?
[05:39] <astrobear> i haven't tried jaunty yet, i'm sure it will be good, i'm using the latest kde apps from svn and there are many improvements. one for the records: konqueror now handles flash embedded in javascript so it doesn't have an issue with youtube or similar sites :)
[05:41] <Daskreech> astromme: what build?
[05:47] <khindenburg> astrobear: yea  I tried to figure out what desktop version (branch 4.2/trunk) I wanted to run for my daily machine.. I just decided to stick w/ Kubuntu 8.10
[05:50] <Daskreech> mtholdenss: Teach the mac how to speak ext3
[05:55] <babylonsfury> ok how do I kill comptiz/desktop effects (turnt on one my vid card didn't like) from the console?
[05:55] <babylonsfury> cause now pushing alt f7 gives me nothing but an unusable flashing screen
[05:55] <babylonsfury> lol
[06:01] <babylonsfury> ah alt shif tf12 is my friend
[06:17] <laoli> fd
[06:17] <laoli> ls
[06:17] <Daskreech> yes?
[06:47] <holyscott> How difficult is it to turn the grub on the new beta into a grapical grub boot?
[06:52] <JohnFlux> holyscott: I guess you mean grub2
[06:53] <JohnFlux> holyscott: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/grub-2.en.html
[06:54] <holyscott> I don't know exactly, whatever linux mint was using to have a graphical grub
[07:00] <astrobear> there was at one time in kde 3 an easy way to host files, i forget how it was done, but anyone know of something similar?
[07:15] <cerecitas> i'm trying to install a plasmoid and in the instructionsi have this line cmake -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=`kde4-config --prefix`
[07:16] <cerecitas> i wonder if it makes sense as it is or something needs to be replaced by something else
[07:27] <cerecitas> sorry
[07:28] <cerecitas> actually i think there is something messed up
[07:29] <Riesh> cerecitas: i also build some plasmoids this way ... you just need to have the development packages installed
[07:29] <cerecitas> aha ok Riesh thanks :)
[07:29] <Riesh> kdeworkspace-dev i believe
[07:31] <cerecitas> thanks i will try ;d
[07:53] <plasmaghoriks> =)
[08:31] <helpdesk_> hi
[08:31] <helpdesk_> anybody
[08:31] <helpdesk_> knock knock
[08:56] <cerecitas> im having issues compiling a widget
[08:56] <cerecitas> and i dunno what it means or how to fix it
[08:57] <uran> zna ktoś polski?
[08:57] <cerecitas> troche uran
[08:57] <cerecitas> dla pomocy po polsku chyba #kubuntu-pl
[08:57] <uran> to fajnie
[08:58] <cerecitas> ;) tu tylko po angielsku sori
[08:59] <Mamarok> !pl | uran
[08:59] <uran> na kubuntu.pl nikogo nie ma
[08:59] <cerecitas> juz widzialam..#ubuntu-pl
[08:59] <Mamarok> uran: this channel is English only
[08:59] <cerecitas> Mamarok:  it's highly possible he can't speak english...
[09:00] <Mamarok> that's why I gave him the link :)
[09:00] <cerecitas> trying to send him to the good one sorry
[09:00] <cerecitas> there is no kubuntu in polish?
[09:00] <Mamarok> no idea, but not all languages have both Ubuntu and Kubuntu channels
[09:01] <cerecitas> i see
[09:01] <bazhang> yes there is support for both there
[09:01] <Mamarok> so the easiest way is to use the bot for the language
[09:01] <Mamarok> which gives the appropriate channel
[09:01] <cerecitas> i see again :d
[09:04] <aotianlong> .join ubuntu-cn
[09:04] <cerecitas> i installed kde-dev today, tried to compile something and http://pastebin.com/m770c1ad4 tadah! a bunch of errors.. what's missing please???
[09:05] <Mamarok> cerecitas: you will need kde-devel which is a meta package
[09:05] <cerecitas> i think that's the one i installed Mamarok
[09:05]  * Mamarok checks the paste
[09:05] <cerecitas> it installed a bunch of packages earlier today
[09:05]  * cerecitas checks bash history
[09:06] <cerecitas> jup kde-devel it was
[09:06] <Mamarok> cerecitas: it doesn't find your C++ compiler as it seems
[09:07] <Mamarok> install build-essential too
[09:07] <cerecitas> sec
[09:09] <cerecitas> trying again...
[09:10] <cerecitas> ok Mamarok   Please install the msgfmt binary
[09:10] <cerecitas> need to install that one as well/??
[09:10] <Mamarok> well, yes, of course :)
[09:10] <Mamarok> if it asks you for it
[09:10] <Mamarok> cerecitas: what are you trying to compile?
[09:11] <cerecitas> just a widget a weather one
[09:11] <cerecitas> but i cannot find any package called like that
[09:11] <Mamarok> ok
[09:11] <cerecitas> this is too big for me i think :D
[09:11] <Mamarok> which version of KDE4 are you running?
[09:11] <cerecitas> 4.2 but dunno if 4.2.0 or 4.2.1
[09:12] <cerecitas> can't remember the command to check it
[09:12] <Mamarok> ok, did you try finding the library using apt-cache search?
[09:12] <cerecitas> hmm sec
[09:12] <Mamarok> you need libgettext
[09:12] <cerecitas> aha now i see but i see 4 of them
[09:13] <Mamarok> well, install the -dev one, as you try to compile you allways need the -dev packages
[09:13] <cerecitas> hmm no dev here
[09:13] <cerecitas> just data util and ruby 1,8 and 1.9
[09:13] <Mamarok> oh, well, the install the -util, it will likely get the -data also
[09:14] <cerecitas> aha there i go
[09:15] <Mamarok> cerecitas: the -ruby is probably a bindings package you need if you develop in ruby
[09:15] <cerecitas> aha
[09:15] <cerecitas> someone said compiling was not so hard
[09:15] <cerecitas> just make && make install
[09:16] <cerecitas> i'm gonna skin him on monday  when i catch him :D
[09:16] <urzumph> anyone here an exim expert? I'm trying to forward my local accounts to my gmail address and not having any luck
[09:16] <bazhang> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware
[09:16] <Mamarok> cerecitas: well, yes, if you have a tarball and all dependencies it's easy ;)
[09:17] <cerecitas> hehehe
[09:17] <cerecitas> thanks bazhang :D
[09:17] <cerecitas> you know, i really like the .deb files
[09:18] <cerecitas> trying again...
[09:18] <cerecitas> oooo
[09:18] <cerecitas> build files have been written to :D
[09:18] <Mamarok> cerecitas: then, if there are missing dependencies, search for them with apt-cache search
[09:18] <cerecitas> aha
[09:19] <Mamarok> it's not hard, only sometimes long till you find all dependencies
[09:19] <Mamarok> that's where packaging can be hell
[09:19] <cerecitas> it is confusing Mamarok... i don't really understand what i am doing
[09:20] <Mamarok> cerecitas: you have a tarball with the source
[09:20] <cerecitas> yes
[09:20] <Mamarok> the source needs libraries to get build, nd the compiler tells you what is missing
[09:20] <cerecitas> unpacked it, and right now is all in a folder
[09:20] <cerecitas> ahaaaaaaaa
[09:20] <Mamarok> *and
[09:20] <Mamarok> so it doesn't build unless you have all dependencies, and in the correct version
[09:21] <Mamarok> usually it is a good idea to read the INSTALL or README files
[09:21] <cerecitas> yeah i am following the readme :D
[09:21] <Mamarok> or whatever file there is in the tarball written in capital letters
[09:21] <cerecitas> but you know, sometimes it assumes you know some things you dont :p
[09:21] <Mamarok> if the developer has done it right, it tells you which dependencies you need
[09:22] <cerecitas> hmmm another error
[09:22] <Mamarok> else, slap the developer for not documenting well enough ;)
[09:22] <Mamarok> cerecitas: it tells you what is missing normaly
[09:22] <cerecitas> hmm i think i know why this error is
[09:22] <cerecitas> i just wrote make  && make install
[09:23] <cerecitas> should it be sudo make && sudo make install?
[09:23] <cerecitas> needs to write in /usr/lib...
[09:23] <Mamarok> and to find an error easier in konsole you can activate the search function with Ctrl+Shift+F
[09:23] <Mamarok> no, make is never done with sudo
[09:23] <Mamarok> only make install
[09:23] <cerecitas> hmmm ahaaa
[09:23] <cerecitas> maybe that is why that error
[09:24] <cerecitas> ok that's done :D
[09:24] <Mamarok> make is compiling, make install writes the build into the correct folders, so if those are system wide, you need to be root
[09:24] <cerecitas> aha
[09:25] <Mamarok> like /usr can only been written with sudo
[09:25] <cerecitas> ok so now it should be all setup... let's try to find my widget hihi
[09:25] <Mamarok> good :)
[09:27] <cerecitas> nice one, all frozen
[09:28] <cerecitas> i cannot add widgets since the upgrade to kde 4.2 last weekend
[09:28] <cerecitas> worked just after the upgrade but never agai
[09:28] <cerecitas> *again
[09:29] <Mamarok> cerecitas: are you using Intrepid?
[09:29] <cerecitas> yeap
[09:29] <cerecitas> just give me a second because i managed to freeze it all up again :D
[09:29] <Mamarok> hm, did you try reinstalling the widgets?
[09:29] <Mamarok> :(
[09:31] <cerecitas> sorry, i will keep my fingers quiet from now on Mamarok :D
[09:31] <Mamarok> hm, did you try reinstalling the widgets?
[09:31] <cerecitas> how would i do that?
[09:31] <Mamarok> check your kde 4 version, sometimes it's just a version problem
[09:32] <cerecitas> hmmm how do you check that/
[09:32] <cerecitas> ?
[09:32] <Mamarok> cerecitas: well, go to the Help menu and open About KDE
[09:32] <cerecitas> dolphin says it's kde 4.2.00
[09:33] <Mamarok> ok, so you really should update, your kde to 4.2.1, it's likely you have a version problem
[09:33] <cerecitas> ooook i will try to find how in kubuntu site... pretty sure it's there
[09:34] <Mamarok> yes, exactly :)
[09:35] <cerecitas> i have abused you enough already ;p
[09:36] <Mamarok> well, I have time this morning, so no problem :)
[09:36] <Mamarok> but I need breakfast now
[09:37] <cerecitas> hehehehe enjoy :D
[09:37] <cerecitas> i also think i know why i cannot install widgets :D kde 4.1 plasmoids are not compatible with 4,2
[09:37] <cerecitas> maybe that's why :D
[09:37] <cerecitas> im gonna grab some coffee and put myself to it hihi
[09:51] <Aison> hello :) just tested jaunty yesterday. possible that it's not possible to install kubuntu-desktop there? ;)
[09:51] <bazhang> Aison, #ubuntu+1 for that
[09:51] <Aison> ah, ok :)
[09:54] <cerecitas> which is the name for the kde4.2.1 package? i have unsupported updates enabled but i cannot find it with adept
[09:54] <p-f> Is there a hidden "do not crash randomly" option for the flash browser plugin somewhere?
[09:55] <Aison> bazhang, I guess was some update issue, now it works ^^  dunno
[09:55] <StR|Sangreal> hello... please what do i need in order to install and launch directx dependant win applications?
[09:57] <cerecitas> there is something really messed up in my KDE
[09:57] <ankur> Sangreal u have to install wine
[09:57] <ankur> n wine doosas well
[09:57] <Aison> StR|Sangreal, depends on directx version etc... everything is very experimental
[09:57] <victim> how do I resolve
[09:57] <victim> sudo: apt-get -y install  can't parse dependency ooobasis30-en_us: command not found
[09:57] <victim> Unable to resolve  can't parse dependency ooobasis30-en_us.  Please manually install and try again.
[09:57] <Aison> StR|Sangreal, but sometimes it works with wine
[09:57] <StR|Sangreal> okay let me try :)
[09:58] <ankur> when u have installed wine ,configure graphics in graphics tab under wine configuration
[09:59] <ankur> victim there r some dependencies broken right now
[09:59] <ankur> either u can install manually or u have to wait to get fixed that dependencies
[10:02] <victim> thanks
[10:12] <Mamarok> cerecitas: you need to download the key for the repo, else Adept doesn't see it
[10:13] <Mamarok> or install with sudo apt-get upgrade
[10:13] <cerecitas> tried to use apt-get upgrade and nothing worked
[10:13] <cerecitas> i mean
[10:13] <cerecitas> nothing to upgrade Mamarok, yet i still see 4.2.0
[10:13] <cerecitas> and in kde.org sends to kubuntu.org and there is only how to do it thru adept
[10:13] <cerecitas> im lost now :s
[10:13] <Mamarok> cerecitas: also, you only need the backports repo for the newer version
[10:14] <Mamarok> wait, I'll check
[10:15] <p-f> How does one go about editing kubuntu xorg configs? I just tried to edit mine and it's completely empty except for sections with only an identifier in them...
[10:15] <Mamarok> cerecitas: did you read that:
[10:15] <Mamarok> "Old Plasma packages are not compatible with KDE 4.2, you should uninstall any plasmoids."
[10:16] <cerecitas> yeap Mamarok i have been trying a few things
[10:16] <cerecitas> moved the whole kde directory to a backup and logged in and out again
[10:16] <cerecitas> right now i can use all the kde4.2 new plasmoids
[10:17] <cerecitas> but now i want to update to kde 4.2.1 and i cant hihihi
[10:17] <Mamarok> cerecitas: could you paste your /etc/apt/sources.list please?
[10:17] <cerecitas> yep second
[10:19] <cerecitas> looks a bit weird to me :p http://pastebin.com/m2d92c48b
[10:22] <Mamarok> cerecitas: you have some double entries as it seems
[10:22] <Mamarok> backports are in it twice
[10:22] <cerecitas> hmmm
[10:23] <cerecitas> let me check
[10:24] <cerecitas> hmm i dont see them double in adept
[10:24] <cerecitas> are the ppa.launchpad right Mamarok?
[10:24] <Mamarok> wait, I check with mine...
[10:25] <Mamarok> cerecitas: the last line seems wrong, it says ubuntu instead of kubuntu
[10:25] <Mamarok> sry, my bad
[10:26] <Dynetrekk> how can I upgrade my kde 4.1 to ke 4.2?
[10:26] <Mamarok> do you get errors when you do sudo apt-get update?
[10:26] <Mamarok> cerecitas: ^
[10:26] <bazhang> Dynetrekk, enable the backports (if in intrepid)
[10:27] <Dynetrekk> bazhang: short explanation of what backports is?
[10:27] <cerecitas> hmmm not really Mamarok only with aptitude upgrade. says it's deprecated use safe-upgrade instead
[10:27] <Dynetrekk> intrepid ibex = 8.10? that's the one I have anyway
[10:27] <cerecitas> but let me check once again,, i've never noticed
[10:27] <bazhang> !backports
[10:27] <bazhang> Dynetrekk, ^^
[10:27] <Dynetrekk> bazhang: thanks a bunch!
[10:28] <cerecitas> nothing Mamarok no errors
[10:28] <Mamarok> cerecitas: moment...
[10:29] <chenlevy_> Can any one commnet of the avalability of Amarok 1.4 in Kubuntu Jaunty?
[10:29] <Mamarok> chenlevy_: there is only Amarok 2.0.2 in Jaunty
[10:29] <Dynetrekk> bazhang: I guess I exchange hardy with intrepid in this line?
[10:29] <Dynetrekk> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hardy-backports main universe multiverse restricted
[10:30] <Mamarok> cerecitas: did you download the key for the repo?
[10:30] <cerecitas> hmmmm no, i just added the repo in adept 3rd party software i think
[10:31] <Mamarok> cerecitas: because Adept doesn't see non-signed repos
[10:31] <Mamarok> check the kubuntu.org website again, it tells you how to install that key
[10:31] <cerecitas> aha ok thanks
[10:31] <cerecitas> :D
[10:31] <bazhang> Dynetrekk, you are on hardy or intrepid
[10:31] <chenlevy_> Thanks Mamarok. I looked at Alpha 6, but it was not stated explicilty that 1.4 will be abcent from the Beta.
[10:31] <Mamarok> cerecitas: else, try to use the main server instead of the Polish one, could also be a mirror problem
[10:32] <Dynetrekk> bazhang: intrepid, the most recent; 8.10
[10:32] <Mamarok> chenlevy_: Jaunty doesn't ship KDE3 anymore, and Amarok 1.4.10 needs KDE 3
[10:32] <bazhang> Dynetrekk, what line
[10:32] <Dynetrekk> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hardy-backports main universe multiverse restricted
[10:32] <Mamarok> chenlevy_: there never was Amarok 1.4 in any Jaunty, alpha or beta
[10:33] <Dynetrekk> I found this in the webpage you showed me. seems logical to do hardy->intrepid
[10:33] <bazhang> Dynetrekk, you are doing this via package manager or cli
[10:34] <Dynetrekk> bazhang: cli of course :)
[10:34] <Dynetrekk> bazhang: just not used to the ubuntu
[10:34] <bazhang> Dynetrekk, okay :)
[10:34] <chenlevy_> I know that it requires some KDE 3.5 libs, but AFAIK K3B also need them.
[10:34] <bazhang> Dynetrekk, then yep on that replacement :)
[10:34] <Mamarok> chenlevy_: no, there is a KDE4 version of k3b AFAIK
[10:34] <Dynetrekk> bazhang:  thanks a bunch. btw, that makes perfect sense with regard to lines further down in the file
[10:35] <Mamarok> chenlevy_: if you want Amarok 1.4, stay with Intrepid
[10:35] <chenlevy_> I will stay with hady.
[10:36] <chenlevy_> KDE 4.2 is the first usable KDE 4 version IMHO, but Amarok 2.0 is not there yet.
[10:36] <Dynetrekk> chenlevy_: thanks for the info
[10:36] <Mamarok> chenlevy_: did you try Neon to get a preview of 2.1-svn?
[10:37] <Mamarok> there have been enormous changes since 2.0
[10:37] <Dynetrekk> bazhang: reboot after apt-get upgrade?
[10:37] <Mamarok> on the other hand, you need Intrepid for actual Neon
[10:37] <chenlevy_> I didn't tryed Neon, I hope that Amarok 2.1 will be better though
[10:38] <bazhang> Dynetrekk, just log out and login should do it
[10:38] <Mamarok> chenlevy_: check the dev blogs on http://amarok.kde.org/blog
[10:38] <Dynetrekk> bazhang: right, thanks
[10:38] <chenlevy_> Apperntly I am not alone: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1084971
[10:38] <Mamarok> chenlevy_: well, the loud minority :)
[10:40] <Dynetrekk> bazhang: hm, it's still at 4.1.4, not 4.2.x
[10:40] <bazhang> Dynetrekk, did you first sudo apt-get update?
[10:40] <Dynetrekk> bazhang: yep, sure did
[10:40] <chenlevy_> Mamarok: There are some ranting going on there, but most of the discussion is very well reasoned.
[10:41] <bazhang> Dynetrekk, that is odd; did you check the link at kubuntu.org
[10:41] <Mamarok> chenlevy_: didn't read it yet
[10:41] <Dynetrekk> bazhang: link?
[10:41] <bazhang> Dynetrekk, in the /topic here :)
[10:42] <Dynetrekk> bazhang: sorry, didn't catch that one. thanks again!
[10:42] <bazhang> http://kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.2 hehe
[10:42] <bazhang> may be out of date though, am not sure
[10:43] <Mamarok> chenlevy_: basically it's just ranting by people who don't even follow the development of Amarok 2 IMHO
[10:44] <Dynetrekk> bazhang: what's the "Full Upgrade" in the terminal? I don't want to learn the bloody GUI to do this :P
[10:45] <Mamarok> ok, off for a moment, later
[10:50] <Dynetrekk> bazhang: never mind, found it
[11:11] <heavenmetal> is there a channel dedicated to linuxmce
[11:11] <koperton> yoiu are on kubuntu
[11:12] <koperton> what does you mean with linuxcmce
[11:12] <heavenmetal> was trying to find a channel for linuxmce though
[11:12] <koperton> here you will not find support for that of couse
[11:12] <koperton> course
[11:13] <heavenmetal> thanks for your support
[11:20] <bazhang> !ultimate
[11:29] <speedy> o.o.o.o.o.o.o.o.o.o.o.o.o.o.o.o.o.o.o.o.o.o.o.o.o.o.o.o.o.o.o.o.o.o.o.o.o.o.o..o.o.o.
[11:32] <Operation> ho mariapia_ how are you?
[11:33] <Operation> ??
[11:33] <Operation> @:p
[11:34] <Coyote_> hi there, i'm using a USB key to connect to internet via 3G, the main problem is that when the connection goes off, knetworkmanager does not reconnect automaticly, how can i do a auto reconnect thing ?
[11:38] <Papupata> Hi everyone! Do you know how to get proper resolution with nvidia driver through dvi-cable? Because I'm stuck to 640x480.
[11:54] <vtrt> Hi!
[11:54] <vtrt> i have question
[11:55] <vtrt> maybe someone know where the hell songbird 2 installs in kubuntu 8.10
[11:55] <vtrt> ?
[12:03] <floown> hello
[12:04] <floown> in Intrepid Ibex I can not find libdb3-util, does exist yet? With another name?
[12:13] <raymears> hi folks. small, quick question: i just installed jaunty beta and i was wondering if strigi and nepomuk were functional? cause i can't seem to get the darn things working.
[12:20] <bazhang> raymears, #ubuntu+1 for that
[12:20] <raymears> alright. thanks.
[12:20] <BluesKaj> howdy
[12:22]  * gambas says hello to the Kubuntu community.
[12:28] <olimpico> I have a problem with pulse audio
[12:29] <olimpico> I first installed ubuntu and the Kubuntu desktop, now pulseaudio is not autmatically started
[12:33] <BluesKaj> olimpico, use alsa-base, pulseaudio isn't working in kde4
[12:34] <olimpico> no, I'm using hardy
[12:34] <olimpico> kde3
[12:34] <BluesKaj> i still recomend alsa..it's much less trouble
[12:35] <olimpico> The problem is that I installed ubuntu first, I think, and then Kubuntu, and somehow pulseaudio doesn't get started
[12:35] <olimpico> I even modified the PULSEAUDIO_SYSTEM_START=1 in /etc/default/pulseaudio
[12:35] <olimpico> And it doesn't start
[12:36] <olimpico> But Kaffeine uses pulseaudio as default
[12:36] <olimpico> That's what troubles me
[12:38] <BluesKaj> olimpico, i use kaffeine with no probs and pulseaudio isn't installed on my system..btw it uses the xine engine
[12:43] <BluesKaj> brb, switching to desktop
[12:43] <jarle> Is there a small kubuntu image that will fit on my 500MB usb stick and let me install over the internet?
[12:43] <jarle> the images I find seems to be bigger than 500MB...
[12:49] <mozzy> jarle mini install is less than 10mb see here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD
[12:50] <rudlavibizon> are ntfs partitions mounted 'statically' in kubuntu 9.04 ?
[12:50] <mozzy> as it says "To install, boot your computer from the the Minimal CD and type "cli" (command line install) at the prompt"
[12:50] <bazhang> #ubuntu+1 for that rudlavibizon
[12:50] <rudlavibizon> ok
[12:51] <rudlavibizon> sry
[12:51] <|PaperTiger|> I love Kubuntu =) It installs so quick :)
[12:51] <jarle> mozzy: great, thnx for the link!
[12:52] <|PaperTiger|> Is there any way to get a program to default open in a certian desktop window?
[13:11] <ulilicht> hi! to install kde 4.2, i added the kubuntu-experimental repository to my sources list. i forgot to remove it after the update. yesterday, an update came, since then compositing does no longer work. is there a way, to undo the update?
[13:15] <BluesKaj> ulilicht , try reinstalling compiz
[13:16] <ulilicht> hm, is compiz really installed at my machiene? i thougt, the compositing is job of kwin?
[13:17] <ulilicht> ah, okay, i see the entry in adept. trying to reinstall...
[13:19] <|PaperTiger|> Is there a way to have a program open to specific workspace automatically
[13:20] <ulilicht> BluesKaj , it didn't work. When i try to activate desktop effects, only a black screen and the mousepointer appears
[13:20] <ulilicht> |PaperTiger| , which kde version do you have?
[13:21] <|PaperTiger|> ulilicht, KDE 4.1 atm...
[13:21] <BluesKaj> ulilicht, do you use emerald ?
[13:21] <|PaperTiger|> ulilicht, hopefully going to upgrade to 4.2
[13:21] <ulilicht> BluesKaj , no. i only use the standard kde 4.2 apps
[13:23] <ulilicht> |PaperTiger| , in 4.2 there is, i don't know if the option already existed in 4.1. I've installed kde in german, but i try to describe what you have to do.
[13:25] <ulilicht> open your program, right-klick on the top bar (where the name of the window is etc), there should be an entry like "extra" or "special" (in german, "erweitert")  --> then special settings for this program
[13:26] <|PaperTiger|> ulilicht, I think I found it
[13:26] <|PaperTiger|> ulilicht, purely by mistake just now :P
[13:26] <|PaperTiger|> ulilicht, so thanks :)
[13:27] <ulilicht> nP
[13:32] <david__> can the network manager connect to wireless with hidden ssid?
[13:33] <m1cha3l> it should afaik.
[13:34] <Pliskin> the plasmoid can't for now
[13:35] <david__> is it something that will be fixed for the release?  is there a bug filed for it that I can track?
[13:54] <freexe> Is there a way to test a graphics card driver for preformance, I've got a new laptop but desktop effects seem alittle slow
[13:54] <freexe> performance*
[13:55] <anton__> Привет
[13:56] <bazhang> !ru
[13:56] <anton__> Hm interesting :D
[14:06] <daskreech> Ha ha sweet
[14:07] <daskreech> I just got an e-mail from the manager of a bank in china who wants to propose a deal with me in an e-mail which was sent from a server in italy
[14:12] <Gon> juanty beta rocks!
[14:14] <daskreech> not neeearly as much as koala alpha!
[14:23] <our-pc> I just installed Amarok 2 in kubuntu 8.10 but some mp3 files cannot be played. Can anyone help me?
[14:27] <daskreech> our-pc: some?
[14:27] <Laeborg> is there a gui ftp server?
[14:28] <daskreech> Laeborg: Umm
[14:28] <daskreech> I guess you mean GUI management of a ftp server
[14:28] <daskreech> !ftp
[14:28] <daskreech> !ftpd
[14:29] <Laeborg> no not a client
[14:29] <daskreech> Second one
[14:29] <Laeborg> ah okay
[14:34] <our-pc> yes
[14:34] <our-pc> some files
[14:34] <our-pc> most of them play
[14:34] <BluesKaj> trying to configure my HP Deskjet Printer , but I get the message about "orphaned control module" and "third party modules lying around".. I 've forgotten the cli fix command .
[14:34] <|PaperTiger|> Can someone name a good music player OTHER THAN Amarok please :)
[14:35] <bazhang> !players
[14:35] <Laeborg> vlc
[14:35] <our-pc> PaperTiger : banshee
[14:37] <jdahl> I am having problems connecting to a wireless router in KDE4.2 in Ubuntu 9.04 beta.  From searching on google, this looks like a common problem - is that correct?
[14:38] <bazhang> #ubuntu+1 for that jdahl
[14:38] <jdahl> ok
[14:38] <|PaperTiger|> our-pc, does that have good support for creative Zen by any chance?
[14:44] <TimS> !remove gnome
[14:45] <TimS> !gnome
[14:45] <knome> is networkmanager already qt4?
[14:45] <TimS> knome: Yeah, think so.
[14:45] <daskreech> !purekde | You want this TimS
[14:45] <TimS> well, they seem to be using a plasma widget in 9.04
[14:46] <TimS> Cheers daskreech
[14:46] <daskreech> knome: Yes
[14:46] <TimS> Wow, you're still here.
[14:46] <TimS> I haven't been in IRC in a while, I still recognise a few names
[14:47] <daskreech> :-)
[14:47] <TimS> Doc is a bit out of date: "That will install the default Kubuntu system as if you installed from the Kubuntu CD. If you want to install KDE4, change kubuntu-desktop to kubuntu-kde4-desktop. "
[14:47] <TimS> And 9.04 upgraded me to Amarok 2 :(
[14:48] <TimS> Yeah, this doc seems to be for 8.04.
[14:48] <jdahl> #ubuntu+1 was not very helpful - can anyone here tell me what program/applet you are supposed to use in KDE4.2 for configure WifI?
[14:49] <our-pc> PaperTiger, yes it has i think ,you can check it out on google for sure
[14:50] <daskreech> jdahl: From jaunty you use the network manager widget
[14:50] <daskreech> TimS: It wouldn't be updated for 9.04 yet
[14:50] <TimS> Should it not be updated for 8.10 though?
[14:50] <our-pc> PaperTiger, use rythmbox for sure
[14:50] <daskreech> TimS: 9.04 is trying to be KDE4 pure on the CD
[14:50] <our-pc> this has less bugs
[14:50] <daskreech> TimS: I guess :-)
[14:50] <TimS> Makes sense.
[14:51] <p0eteckz> any sites for tweaking/optimizing kubuntu?
[14:53] <daskreech> p0eteckz: probably
[14:53] <daskreech> Though I'm guessing forums are as good as any
[14:55] <p0eteckz> any tools like ccleaner?
[14:55] <TimS> p0eteckz: Kubuntu doesn't really need a tool like CCleaner, but Firefox and other web browsers have their own clear memory option
[14:56] <TimS> Linux uses /temp/ which is cleared on startup, so theres none of the C in CCleaner
[14:58] <daskreech> CCleaner?
[14:59] <tendero> how can I stop programs auto readjusting screen brightness?
[15:08] <pascal_> hi
[15:08] <daskreech> !hi
[15:09] <pascal_> I need some help. I tried to change the hard drive (with / on it) but it's not working. Possibly because of UUID
[15:09] <daskreech> go on
[15:10] <pascal_> I partitioned the new hdd and copied the root-directory from the old one
[15:10] <alabamahit> where is sypantic on kubuntu?
[15:11] <pascal_> with the kubuntu cd I tried to re-install grub
[15:11] <BluesKaj> alabamahit, sudo apt-get install synaptic
[15:11] <alabamahit> BlueEagle: Thank You :)
[15:11] <daskreech> alabamahit: not installed use adept if you are using 8.10 or kpackagekit if you are using 9.04
[15:11] <daskreech> pascal_: Did you change the /etc/fstab ?
[15:11] <BluesKaj> alabamahit , adept is the default pkg manager on kde
[15:12] <pascal_> yes, I did. But I just replaced the UUID with /dev/hda1 (there I copied the root-directory to)
[15:12] <daskreech> ahmm ok
[15:13] <nightdrever> hi
[15:13] <daskreech> pascal_: and you reinstalled grub ?
[15:13] <daskreech> !hi
[15:13] <freexe> Eclipse is pretty crash happy at the moment, but then again it is using 3.2
[15:14] <pascal_> it didn't work. So I'm using an installed grub on the second hdd. It's working until the kubuntu logo. Then it stops
[15:15] <freexe> pascal_: do you have the correct user permissions to use the hhd
[15:15] <daskreech> pascal_: take off quiet and see where it fails
[15:15] <daskreech> freexe: It would be using root to start so no permissions needed
[15:15] <freexe> good point
[15:15] <daskreech> pascal_: if you know what I'm talking about :)
[15:16] <pascal_> daskreech: i'll try and come back
[15:16] <daskreech> pascal_: using a LIVE CD now?
[15:17] <pascal_> no, using an installed xubuntu on the second hdd
[15:17] <daskreech> ah ok
[15:34] <s4crifice> hi all, i have a question... In kopete, my contacts are doubled.... where's the mistake? :-) Can anyone help me?
[15:39] <fachf> instal amsn
[15:41] <fachf> amsn is better kopete
[15:41] <tsimpson> that's not the question they are asking
[15:43] <White_Pelican> I just installed jaunty jackelope beta 1 inder virtual box. I tried to get new themes, "installed" a coiple and they don't show up in the list. y?
[15:43] <White_Pelican> under*
[15:45] <bazhang> #ubuntu+1 for that White_Pelican
[15:46] <pascal_> I'm back
[15:47] <pascal_> daskreech still there?
[15:59] <fachf> hello all
[16:05] <ForgeAus> I really wonder about this less than 10% of market share users thing... I'm certain Linux would be more populous than that... maybe the browsers are identifying as firefox and they're assuming that means windows lol!
[16:05] <ForgeAus> I mean for my user agent on at least one browser I had to actually add the Linux/X11 values to it manually in the options!
[16:20] <ytoox> when I upgrade from 8.10 to 9.04 will I be able to change the filesystem as well?
[16:21] <TimS> No, I don't think so.
[16:21] <ytoox> mmm
[16:21] <ForgeAus> well you can, but it takes extra steps, and I'd recommend backing up
[16:21] <ytoox> yeah
[16:23] <TimS> you can?
[16:23] <TimS> Surely changing the file system requires reformating?
[16:24] <ytoox> yeah
[16:24] <ytoox> but I thought that ubuntu would have devised some way to back up and change automatically
[16:24] <ForgeAus> actually you can convert filesystems
[16:24] <ytoox> because by default it does not make partitions or anything like that
[16:24] <ytoox> how?
[16:24] <ForgeAus> (I guess its similar to reformatting)
[16:24] <ytoox> gparted?
[16:25] <ForgeAus> but I doubt it works on the system drive without using a liveCD or something to boot from
[16:25] <ForgeAus> I'm not sure if gparted can or not, possibly...
[16:25] <ForgeAus> ytoox what kind of conversion were you planning?
[16:26] <ForgeAus> ext3 to something?
[16:39] <ubuntu_> hey guys i need some help
[16:40] <ForgeAus> uh saying something like that doesn't give us any idea how to help you tho
[16:40] <ubuntu_> im instaling kubuntu i already have windows and i want to no how to configure the partitiond
[16:40] <ubuntu_> partitions
[16:40] <ForgeAus> uh does your windows partition fill the entire disk?
[16:41] <Zxcvb> are there kde 4.2.1 packages for 8.10?
[16:41] <ubuntu_> no half
[16:41] <ubuntu_> just upgrade kde
[16:41] <ubuntu_> zx
[16:41] <ubuntu_> o ne ways
[16:41] <ForgeAus> awesome then it should be easy enough to create a small swap partition and fill the rest with your ext3 one...
[16:41] <Riesh> Zxcvb: there are but in a PPA repository
[16:42] <ubuntu_> ok so i have 325556 mb of free space
[16:42] <ubuntu_> were do i start
[16:42] <Zxcvb> also, is 9.04 at the RC stage yet?
[16:42] <ubuntu_> im currently on kubuntu from disk
[16:42] <Riesh> Zxcvb: 9.04 is just in BETA1
[16:42] <abtok> hi, could someone help me having a resolution higher than 1024*768 ?
[16:42] <ForgeAus> are you on the alternate CD or a LiveCD ubuntu_?
[16:42] <ubuntu_> forgeaus
[16:43] <ForgeAus> because the liveCD should hsow you a graphical representation, all you need to do is select manually change partitions
[16:43] <ForgeAus> and create them, you'll get a visual look at whats going on all the time
[16:43] <Riesh> ubuntu_: advicable to make a 20 GB root and the rest for /home :-)
[16:43] <ubuntu_> yeah like a ui
[16:43] <ubuntu_> and like 8g for swap???
[16:44] <Riesh> depends on how much RAM you have, you als o can make a swap partition of 2 GB or so
[16:44] <Zxcvb> also, has anyone managed to boot from a usb stick via floppy by using loadlin and the dos usb drivers?
[16:44] <ForgeAus> Swap doesn't need to be large... Itend to use the "leftover" from rounding down...
[16:44] <ubuntu_> i have 4 gig ram so i should double it to 8 gig swap right
[16:44] <ForgeAus> in fact you don't need swap at all but its better to use it than not to
[16:44] <Riesh> ubuntu_: Noo
[16:44] <ubuntu_> i have enough space
[16:44] <BluesKaj> swap should be 1.5 X RAM if needed
[16:45] <Zxcvb> ubuntu_: that is no longer necessary, but swap should be at least equal to ram if you want to hibernate
[16:45] <Riesh> 2 GB is enough :-)
[16:45] <Riesh> indeed
[16:45] <Zxcvb> used to be that pages could only be swapped out to certain points in the swap file
[16:45] <ubuntu_> ok so im going to create / partition should it be logical primary and what extention
[16:45] <Riesh> ubuntu_: doesn't matter
[16:46] <ubuntu_> use ext3
[16:46] <ubuntu_> or 2
[16:46] <Riesh> Yes
[16:46] <Riesh> ext3
[16:46] <Zxcvb> for example, if you had 128mb of ram and data at 64MB was going to be swapped out, it could only be copied to 64MB, 128+64MB, 256+64MB, etc in the swap partition/file
[16:46] <Zxcvb> fortunately, that was fixed a long time ago
[16:47] <abtok> i don't have any resolution higher than 1024*768 when i enter 'xrandr' ; is it normal ?
[16:48] <ubuntu_> ok i created all three ill see you in a little bit if install worked out
[16:48] <cajun_> quick help w/ grep.   i have a list of strings in a file, one per line and I want to use those strings as arguments.  how do i write a grep command to read one line at a time and then run a command using that string as an argument before reading the next line?
[16:50] <ubuntu_> do you think kubuntu is better then suse
[16:50] <Riesh> cajun_: i think this is more a question for another channel ... one with more bash scripting guru's ... like #bash
[16:50] <cajun_> ok.  thanks
[16:51] <Riesh> ubuntu_: there is not really a better ... there are people who like one more than the other
[16:52] <Riesh> Every distro has its good and bad points
[16:53] <ubuntu_> makes sense
[16:53] <ubuntu_> i just used open suse and loved it but i figured i should give ubuntu a shot
[16:53] <ubuntu_> im new 2 linux not even a month
[16:54] <Riesh> i Like in Suse the Grub menu and yast2 ... but don't like the way it updates: when i click cancel i need to keep clicking cancel for every package :-( .. very annoying when the update is about 200 packages
[16:54] <ubuntu_> i know
[16:54] <ubuntu_> that was harsh abort ten million times hehe
[16:54] <ubuntu_> how does this work
[16:54] <Riesh> :-)
[16:54] <ubuntu_> my system is installing now hooray
[16:55] <Riesh> yes .. especially when the default update url is giving a very slow update mirror
[16:55] <ubuntu_> does this have some kind of yast
[16:56] <BluesKaj> !repositoriy | ubuntu_
[16:56] <Riesh> ubuntu_: i like to update on the command line ... it gives a lot of freedom ..
[16:56] <BluesKaj> !repository | ubuntu_
[16:56] <Riesh> BluesKaj: thats not what yast is about
[16:57] <BluesKaj> yast is a package manager, the repositories contain the ubuntu packages
[16:57] <BluesKaj> !adept
[16:57] <Riesh> BluesKaj: no yast is much more then an update manager
[16:58] <BluesKaj> i didn't use update
[16:58] <ubuntu_> how cani get the flaming windows and the wobble and the sphere cube desktoop is the kde 4.2 do that cause thats what i had on suse
[16:58] <Riesh> Yast is a central configuration tool
[16:58] <BluesKaj> who cares , this is kubuntu
[16:58] <ubuntu_> yet another software tool i think
[16:59] <Riesh> BluesKaj: who cares? ... can we not see the good things in other linux distro's ?
[17:00] <ForgeAus> kde4.2 (kubuntu) does  have wobbly windows and the sphere/cube desktops
[17:00] <BluesKaj> yes Riesh , if you want to visit the suse chat , be my guest :)
[17:00] <ForgeAus> although I havn't seen/tried the sphere one as yet...
[17:00] <ForgeAus> in fact my cube turns out to be a hexagonal shape but I like it :)
[17:00] <Riesh> BluesKaj: Sorry to stepped on your toes :-(
[17:01] <ForgeAus> I tend not to use the functionality of multiple desktops efficiently, I guess I still tend to use my computer like a windows user for the most part...
[17:01] <Riesh> Kubuntu is perfect .. and others are less perfect
[17:02] <ForgeAus> if Kubuntu were perfect there would be no need for another version to come out...
[17:03] <ForgeAus> I'm not saying its not great or anything I love kubuntu... but I wouldn't go as far as calling it perfect, nor any other distro, or OS...
[17:03] <BluesKaj> Riesh, if there is no exact yast equivalent in kubuntu then we have to stick to the p[ackage manager/repository subject that works here, not some other configuratory app in another distro.
[17:04] <ForgeAus> you can use smart or kpackage in kubuntu it doesn't use yast/yum because of its package management system (ie non-rpm based)
[17:04] <ForgeAus> but pretty much all other package managers that handle dpkg work...
[17:06] <Riesh> as i said before: Yast is much more then a package manager ... or update tool ... it is a central configuration software for alsmost everything that can be configured in Suse ...
[17:06] <Riesh> I think that is a nice thing in Suse ...
[17:07] <BluesKaj> Riesh, well I used suse for a while and i found yast klunky and not user friendly at all
[17:07] <ForgeAus> Riesh, well System Settings is KDE/Kubuntu's central configuration tool
[17:08] <kaddi> third times the charm. :) Hello everybody! :)
[17:08] <daskreech> pascal_: no sorry
[17:08] <ForgeAus> I'm sure Suse probably uses that too.. (since its part of KDE4) in kde3 used to be called kcontrol
[17:08] <Riesh> Maybe some parts are indeed klunky ... but the idea is Nice ...
[17:09] <ForgeAus> Mandriva has a control/config centre too that does package management and stuff but I don't see it as a problem in Kubuntu not to have it that way...
[17:10] <mvivirito> hey i got it to boot from the harddrive but now im updateing everything
[17:10] <mvivirito> riesh you still here
[17:10] <Riesh> ForgeAus: i also do not think it is a problem ... but i think, when it works good, it good be a good thing to have all the configurration option as modules in one app
[17:11] <Raze> Quick question: doing CLI upgrade from 8.04 to 8.10. do-release-upgrade stalled on "Calculating Changes", so I ctrl+C'd and am doing an apt-get upgrade. Will this prevent problems?
[17:11] <Riesh> mvivirito: i am here ...
[17:12] <Raze> also /etc/lsb-release has "Distrib_ID=Ubuntu" for Kubuntu normally, right?
[17:13] <runpain2> I would like to get my quickplay + voulume  keys to work on my laptop
[17:13] <mvivirito> hey im confused with the boot loading process i got it to boot through recovery mode but wheni tried installing packages in the recovery mode i couldent so i chose normal boot option and i got it to boot graphicly as opposed to the command line it was booting into so now im updating and installing every thing should that fix my booting issues
[17:13] <besitzer__> hallo süße
[17:14] <Raze> mvivirito: what booting issues were you having in the first place?
[17:15] <mvivirito> the first two optios were generic and generic recovery and the last option said it wouldnt fit to memory
[17:15] <mvivirito> the first
[17:15] <mvivirito> gave me command line
[17:15] <afief> did anybody here experiment with keyboard layouts when more than one keyboard is connected? it seems only one of them can access the different layouts
[17:15] <daskreech> hi kaddi
[17:15] <Raze> Ah, well. You usually want the generic/default option. It's just asking which kernel you'd like to load
[17:15] <mvivirito> the second i tried to recover but couldnt and it allowed me to boot graphicly
[17:15] <daskreech> mvivirito: pascal ?
[17:15] <mvivirito> the third said it couldnt fit to memory
[17:16] <mvivirito> the fourth was windows booted fine
[17:16] <daskreech> Raze: It ididn't stall
[17:16] <mvivirito> whats pascal
[17:16] <daskreech> it just takes a really really long time
[17:16] <Raze> ah
[17:16] <Raze> :(
[17:16] <Raze> well, I cut it off and I'm apt-get upgrading :(
[17:16] <daskreech> mvivirito: There was someone in here named pascal who was having problems booting
[17:17] <mvivirito> oooo
[17:17] <Raze> daskreech: can I ask what your /etc/lsb-release says?
[17:17] <mvivirito> well im updating everything and ill see if that helps
[17:17] <mvivirito> what do you think
[17:17] <mvivirito> im just happy i have linux and windows
[17:18] <mvivirito> i only have windows for windows only software and virtual machines suck
[17:18] <mvivirito> wine sucks too
[17:18] <Raze> there's always Crossover
[17:18] <mvivirito> but i have windows xp black edition
[17:19] <mvivirito> its got all the junk and extra crap removed all the security updates and its really fast
[17:19] <mvivirito> well for xp
[17:21] <Aegiron> hi everyone
[17:21] <Ra2B_04> Hola...alguien que hable español?
[17:21] <kaddi> !es |Ra2B_04
[17:22] <Aegiron> when installing a version of ubuntu, it asks to create partitions to install it on, or it gives the option of automaticaly managing the drive
[17:22] <runpain2> I have an Hp Pavilion DV6747cl Amd64x2 nvidia graphics card and  MCP67 High Definition Audio [Audio device] with Altec Lansing speakers a HP Webcam [Video]and the keys are led buttons located top of keyboard
[17:22] <Aegiron> I noticed that when choosing the automated solution, it creates two partitions: one for the root, and one for the swap. But is there any particular reason why the swap partition is located in a seperate logical (extended) partition?
[17:23] <runpain2> can some one help me to get these keys to work
[17:23] <mvivirito> it didnt work for me that way had to do it manualy
[17:23] <mvivirito> maybe different keyboard layout
[17:27] <daskreech> Raze: No LSB Modules found
[17:28] <daskreech> Aegiron: None except there is no reason at all for it to have a primary partition
[17:30] <viktor> list
[17:31] <Aegiron>  daskreech: I don't get it, If I only have 2 partitions, why is there no reason to make the swap a primary?
[17:31] <daskreech> Primaries are limited in number and required by some
[17:31] <daskreech> Logical are virtually unlimited and never ever required
[17:31] <daskreech> Why not use a logical if the choice is given?
[17:33] <Aegiron> ah, I see. thanks a lot (though it was'nt an issue at all, just curiousity)
[17:36] <billytwowilly> hi, what should I use for scanning in kde 4? kooka doesn't appear to be supported anymore
[17:37] <ubuntu_> why i cant connect to #debiaN
[17:38] <daskreech> !register | ubuntu_
[17:38] <ForgeAus> wow I was banned from #Debian, apparnetly it didn't last
[17:39] <ForgeAus> ironically I would have thought they'd be the best people to ask what compression .deb files used!
[17:39] <daskreech> Most chans that have a fair number of people coming through have limited time bans
[17:39] <ubuntu_> ok i will try to register and then i will reply
[17:41] <bonyui> dude
[17:41] <bonyui> anyone #
[17:42] <bonyui> i could do with some help
[17:42] <bonyui> Is it really that hard to connect to the internet through kubuntu?
[17:42] <bonyui> because i cant do it
[17:42] <afief> boubbin: what's your problem?
[17:42] <daskreech> afief: try again
[17:43] <afief> daskreech: huh?
[17:43] <bonyui> i just cant work out how to get online through kubunru i use wireless wlan
[17:43] <daskreech> afief: Asked the wrong person :)
[17:43] <afief> bonyui: is your wireless card recognized
[17:44] <daskreech> !wifi | bonyui
[17:44] <astrobear> hmm, i'm not sure what happened but i can't login through kdm anymore, only through a tty screen. any suggestions?...
[17:44] <afief> daskreech: no problem:)
[17:44] <daskreech> afief: No. You asked the wrong person
[17:44] <bonyui> afief i'll check
[17:44] <daskreech> astrobear: full drive ?
[17:44] <afief> daskreech: oh, sorry
 boubbin: what's your problem?
[17:45] <astrobear> daskreech: nope, i have over 30gb available
[17:45] <daskreech> Not who you wanted to ask I'll bet
[17:45] <afief> daskreech: yes I see it now. sorry for the mistake
[17:45] <daskreech> astrobear: ~/.xsession-serros says anything ?
[17:45] <alabamahit> This might be a dumb question but i have looked on that kde look site......and on the system...I'm new to  KDE ....Question is how do i changed the window border...i hate that white look lol..trying to make it more transparnet or something....
[17:45] <daskreech> errors
[17:45] <alabamahit> Also does it use rpm or dep files.? for just general installs.
[17:46] <daskreech> alabamahit: press alt+F3 and configure window behaviour
[17:46] <daskreech> alabamahit: huh? :)
[17:46] <ForgeAus> in KDE they're called Window Decorators
[17:46] <ForgeAus> Alabamahit and you can change them in your system-settings
[17:47] <ForgeAus> (appearance applet I think, from memory)
[17:47] <alabamahit> i cahnged all that...but didnt see where to change the decorations.
[17:47]  * alabamahit jumps back on there and looks again :)
[17:47] <ForgeAus> apparance applet-windows should have it
[17:48] <ForgeAus> you can switch between decoratrs, and configure different ones, and alter the buttons (like close, shade, help, minimize, maximize etc)
[17:50] <alabamahit> can the pointer be changed?
[17:51] <bonyui> hm
[17:51] <bonyui> ubottu thanks for the wireless documentation
[17:52] <bonyui> lol
[17:52] <bonyui> @+@
[17:52] <alabamahit> lol
[17:54] <TheGentleman> Hello!  I'm experiencing problems while trying to upgrade from 8.04 to 9.04 using internet connection and following guidelines from https://help.ubuntu.com/community/JauntyUpgrades/Kubuntu/8.04
[17:54] <TheGentleman> if anyone can look at it I can paste something
[17:56] <kahbuntu> TheGentleman: upgrading to a beta release isn't a good idea
[17:56] <kahbuntu> it didn't work to me either
[17:56] <TheGentleman> it is a spare computer i can safely use for that kahbuntu
[17:56] <BluesKaj> TheGentleman, maybe there's help at #ubuntu+1
[17:56] <kahbuntu> ok, but a fresh install is the best choise
[17:57] <TheGentleman> well, why giving instructions on kubuntu website without a warning then?
[17:57] <rraajj> Hi! I´m kinda new to KDE 4, and I´m kinda weirded out by having to press the certain keys twice to get the character mapped in them (mostly punctuation keys). They behave like modifiers. How do I remove this, uhhm, feature? Thanks in advance!
[17:59] <daskreech> TheGentleman: you have it paste binned?
[17:59] <daskreech> rraajj: in which situation ?
[18:00] <astrobear> daskreech: http://pastebin.com/f4d314bc
[18:00] <rraajj> daskreech: In everything, actually. ¨,´,`, and some other characters need to be pressed twice.
[18:01] <astrobear> sorry, it took me awhile to figure out how to copy and paste from tty
[18:01] <astrobear> had to use pastebinit
[18:01] <daskreech> astrobear: TheGentleman ?
[18:01] <daskreech> rraajj: Like in kate ?
[18:01] <rraajj> daskreech: Yep, even in Konsole/Yakuake.
[18:01] <astrobear> daskreech: ?
[18:02] <daskreech> astrobear: sorry I just asked someone to pastebin something then they logged out shortly after
[18:02] <daskreech> rraajj: what version of KDE ?
[18:03] <astrobear> so, yeah, there are errors in xsession.errors
[18:03] <rraajj> daskreech: 4.1, fresh Intrepid install.
[18:03] <daskreech> rraajj: well. honestly that shoudln't happen unless you haev Ctrl pressed down
[18:04] <astrobear> daskreech: what would happen is that kdm would look like it was logging me in, but would return back to the login screen. never got to the splash screen
[18:04] <rraajj> daskreech: Yeah, they behave like modifiers by themselves. If I press one of those keys, and press something else, a new character comes up.
[18:04] <rraajj> Like, ḿ. (´ + m)
[18:05] <daskreech> rraajj: Hmm what keyboard locale do you have?
[18:06] <astrobear> whoops, i'll take that back, it does show the splash screen. sorry i have _just_ woken up
[18:07] <daskreech> astrobear: What happens if you type X right now
[18:07] <rraajj> daskreech: US int´l.
[18:07] <mack431> hello i need your help with an kubuntu issue
[18:08] <mack431> today i installed patches for kubuntu
[18:08] <mack431> after i installed it my samba drive isnt working
[18:08] <mack431> i mean dolphin cant access it
[18:09] <mack431> everytime i want to swap data to my windows system through it i have to use the terminal
[18:09] <astrobear> daskreech: fatal error Server is already active for display 0
[18:09] <mack431> furthermore i get a strange failure message during system start
[18:09] <astrobear> and it is running
[18:09] <daskreech> astrobear: of course. run sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop then run X
[18:10] <daskreech> mack431: What's the message ?
[18:10] <mack431> can anybody help please
[18:10] <astrobear> daskreech: it started X
[18:11] <mack431> it is a german message that says that "kdesudo" isnt working
[18:11] <daskreech> astrobear: ok jump back to the terminal and press Ctrl+C
[18:11] <mack431> i can type it in german if you want me to do
[18:11] <astrobear> ..and
[18:11] <daskreech> run X & then export DISPLAY=:0.0
[18:11] <daskreech> then type startkde
[18:11] <daskreech> mack431: is sudo working ?
[18:11] <astrobear> so...
[18:11] <kamesh> could somebody tell me if the default Kubuntu installation comes with the C,Cpp compilers
[18:11] <astrobear> X & export DISPLAY=:0.0 & startkde
[18:11] <astrobear> ?
[18:12] <daskreech> astrobear: no
[18:12] <astrobear> &&
[18:12] <daskreech> umm
[18:12] <daskreech> export DISPLAY=:0.0 && X& && startkde
[18:12] <mack431> yes sudo works somewhere during boot of system their is a kdesudo command executed with wrong parameters i suppose so i get this message each time and my samba drive is inaccessable
[18:13] <daskreech> kamesh: No it doesn't
[18:13] <astrobear> ty
[18:13] <daskreech> !compile | kamesh
[18:13] <mack431> through dolphin
[18:13] <kamesh> thanks ubottu
[18:13] <mack431> it works with a terminal though
[18:13] <daskreech> mack431: There really shouldn't be a kdesudo on start up at all
[18:13] <mack431> hm but i get a message
[18:14] <daskreech> I'm not saying you are not :-)
[18:14] <mack431> ok
[18:14] <daskreech> mack431: Would a german channel help better?
[18:14] <daskreech> !de
[18:14] <mack431> yes but i dont get any answers there *g*
[18:15] <daskreech> --_^
[18:15] <bency> >.^
[18:15] <mack431> somewhere during boot a kdesudo is executed and i dont know what executes it
[18:16] <daskreech> dmesg | grep kdes
[18:16] <mack431> i think i will reinstall soon
[18:16] <astrobear> hmm.. i can't get it to stop use ctl-c
[18:16] <astrobear> it didn't start kde
[18:17] <astrobear> daskreech: how many ampersigns did you want me to use after 'X'?
[18:18] <daskreech> astrobear: thinking about it ... one :-)
[18:18] <m_tadeu> how can I configure a wireless micrphone? I connected it but I have no sound
[18:18] <daskreech> astrobear: type fg then you can kill it with ctrl=C
[18:18] <astrobear> daskreech: okay, that's what i did
[18:18] <ns8_> #spain
[18:19] <dinner> !es
[18:19] <mack431> i got a step ahead
[18:20] <astrobear> dasKreech: i can't kill it with ctl-c
[18:20] <dasKreech> astrobear: type jobs
[18:20] <mack431> if i start dolphin with sudo dolphin in terminal i can access my samba drive
[18:20] <dasKreech> see if anything is runing
[18:20] <astrobear> okay
[18:20] <mack431> still strange
[18:20] <astrobear> and... :P
[18:21] <astrobear> i need some numbers so that i can kill -9
[18:21] <dasKreech> astrobear: killall X
[18:21] <astrobear> no process killed
[18:21] <astrobear> X: no process killed
[18:21] <dasKreech> Is X still running?
[18:22] <astrobear> yeah, jobs showed that it was running
[18:22] <dasKreech> astrobear: kill %1
[18:22] <astrobear> okay... so now what...
[18:23] <slow-motion> hi
[18:23] <astrobear> and it still isn't dead :\
[18:23] <astrobear> hi slow-motion
[18:23] <slow-motion> hi astrobear
[18:24] <dasKreech> astrobear: Ha ha ok ps aux | grep X
[18:24] <astrobear> got it!
[18:24] <astrobear> gracias amigo
[18:24] <astrobear> it showed a number to kill -9 with :)
[18:25] <astrobear> whatever that's called
[18:25] <astrobear> uid?..
[18:25] <astrobear> i dunno.
[18:25] <astrobear> not important, need to figure out why i can't login with kde..
[18:27] <dasKreech> pid
[18:27] <astrobear> ah, process id
[18:27] <dasKreech> astrobear: make a new user
[18:28] <astrobear> dasKreech: i have to leave for 5 minutes, but if you can give me further instructions i will use them when i get back
[18:28] <dasKreech> ok
[18:35] <dasKreech> mack431: this is going to a Windows computer across the network?
[18:35] <mack431> yeah
[18:35] <magisu> Hi guys, I come here to ask if Qt 4.5 qtconfig-qt4 can save the font substitution list?
[18:35] <magisu> anyone could hep me? thansk
[18:35] <dasKreech> !anyone
[18:36] <dasKreech> magisu: If it's a pure Qt question there is #qt
[18:36] <mack431> i think i will reinstall the system cause i cant find the failing thing
[18:37] <magisu> dasKreech: I don´t know.
[18:37] <dasKreech> mack431: you can if you like. do you have your data seperate ?
[18:37] <mack431> yes its all saved what is important
[18:38] <dasKreech> mack431: sounds like a configuration file needs to be replaced but if you would like to reinstall that ight work as well :)
[18:39] <jimmy51_home> hello, i have a drive, /dev/sdc
[18:39] <jimmy51_home> what command do i use to create and format it as fat32?
[18:39] <mack431> do you have an idea what configuration file this could be?
[18:39] <dasKreech> mkfs.dos ?
[18:39] <mack431> the smb.cnf is fine i checked it
[18:40] <dasKreech> mack431: it would be a smb:/ protocol in ~/.kde since the only thing that doesn't work is kde apps
[18:40] <astrobear> dasKreech: i'm back
[18:40] <dasKreech> and only for your user
[18:40] <mack431> what does this configuration file do?
[18:40] <dasKreech> astrobear: ok
[18:40] <astrobear> what do you want me to do after creating a new user?
[18:40] <dasKreech> sudo /etc/init.d/kdm start and log in as them
[18:41] <lean2501> hi! im getting the libstdc++.5 or something like that message in the terminal when im trying to open an app
[18:42] <lean2501> i dont find it in the repos
[18:42] <jimmy51_home> dasKreech: doesn't look like that's a command
[18:42] <dasKreech> jimmy51_home: umm mkfs.msdos ?
[18:43] <dasKreech> lean2501: which app?
[18:43] <astrobear> ack, i don't know how to give root privs to the user
[18:43] <lean2501> x-lite
[18:43] <astrobear> the new user
[18:44] <lean2501> dasKreech: x-lite is an app for voip
[18:44] <jimmy51_home> i'm trying sudo mkfs.msdos -I -F 32 /dev/sdc
[18:44] <astrobear> could this overall problem have arisen because i don't have proper user rights?
[18:44] <dasKreech> astrobear: not from the error messages
[18:44] <dasKreech> astrobear: add them to the group admin
[18:44] <lean2501> dasKreech: it says error when loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.5
[18:47] <jimmy51_home> ok
[18:47] <jimmy51_home> i have /dev/sdc
[18:47] <jimmy51_home> it's a 500 GB USB drive
[18:47] <jimmy51_home> qtparted shows it as hidden
[18:48] <jimmy51_home> from the command line, how to i create a giant FAT32 partition on it, and format it?
[18:48] <jimmy51_home> i tried "mkfs.msdos -I -F 32 /dev/sdc"
[18:48] <jimmy51_home> that didn't appear to do anything
[18:48] <dasKreech> sudo
[18:49] <jimmy51_home> well, yeah... i used sudo
[18:49] <dasKreech> FAT32 can't make a partition that big
[18:49] <dasKreech> It has limitations
[18:49] <jimmy51_home> can kubuntu write to ntfs?
[18:49] <dasKreech> Yes
[18:49] <jimmy51_home> ok, ntfs is good then
[18:49] <dasKreech> !ntfs
[18:50] <manuel_> hi
[18:51] <manuel_> in the networkmanager i can't klick on wlan it is not active
[18:51] <manuel_> how can i change that?
[18:51] <manuel_> thamks in advance
[18:53] <josh-l> is there anything other than inkscape that can edit svg files?
[18:53] <manuel_> gimp
[18:53] <m_tadeu> should a microphone output the sound desktop wide? or do I have to run some sort of app to hear the microphone?
[18:53] <josh-l> manuel_: but with gimp you cant save to svg
[18:55] <astrobear> alright dasKreech i added a user, gave him admin privs, started kdm, tried to login and the same thing happened
[18:56] <starenka> hi, is there a repo for hardy (kde 3.5) w/ all that fancy kde 4.2.1 stuff ( i want to have kontact,kmail,akregator and all that "gorupware stuff", but don't wanna use kde4)
[18:56] <mario_> atun de pollo
[18:56] <astrobear> starenka: all that groupware stuff is on kde 3.5 :P
[18:56] <astrobear> no need for kde 4
[18:57] <starenka> yes, but slightly older versions ;)
[18:57] <mario_> i dont know
[18:57] <astrobear> though kde 4 is amazing in my not so humble opinion
[18:57] <josh-l> astrobear: it truly truly is, better than osx by far
[18:57] <starenka> astrobear: well i tested i qui9te thoroughfully and i love 3.5 more
[18:57] <afief> did anybody here experiment with keyboard layouts when more than one keyboard is connected? it seems only one of them can access the different layouts
[18:57] <astrobear> :P
[18:58] <josh-l> i find kde 4.2 more stable than kde 3.5
[18:58] <josh-l> and better in every other way
[18:58] <starenka> well stability issues aside, there are still some stuff you can't customize in kde 4
[18:58] <starenka> f.e the damn taskbar
[18:58] <astrobear> i'm not going to argue why kde 4 is better, just want to get my X error resolved :P
[18:58] <starenka> or panel
[18:58] <starenka> i mean panel
[18:58] <josh-l> i love the panel
[18:59] <astrobear> starenka: you can customize the taskbar, silly
[18:59] <starenka> do i?
[18:59] <astrobear> starenka: yup, you just need to familiarize yourself with plasma
[19:00] <starenka> i want able to make it like this (kde 3.5)
[19:00] <starenka> http://crap.starenka.net/35.png
[19:00] <jimmy51_home> someone in #ubuntu knew how to do it
[19:00] <starenka> s/want/wasnt
[19:00] <jimmy51_home> sweet
[19:01] <astrobear> starenka: i can't view that right now, my X server isn't working :)
[19:01] <starenka> astrobear: hehe
[19:02] <starenka> imagine it's beutiful :)
[19:02] <astrobear> not sure what i did, and i think dasKreech is off eating dinner and chillaxin
[19:02] <starenka> what's w/ ur x server?
[19:02] <astrobear> i dunno
[19:02] <starenka> startx?
[19:03] <astrobear> yeah yeah, the problem is that kdm isn't logging the user all the way in before getting some X error and returning back to the login screen
[19:03] <astrobear> i can start X, but i can't start kde
[19:03] <astrobear> which is a tidbit of a problem :)
[19:03] <starenka> 3.5 3.5 high five :)) :p
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[19:04] <starenka> sorry, mate i can't seem to help you
[19:04] <starenka> :(
[19:04] <astrobear> hehe, it's not kde's fault, i did something stupid last night i'm sure :P
[19:04] <astrobear> no probs
[19:04] <astrobear> you let me explain it and maybe someone else here will come along with a solution
[19:05] <starenka> ok
[19:05] <starenka> i will tease the plazma meanwhile
[19:05] <starenka> as to be sure i'm not idiot
[19:05] <astrobear> :)
[19:05] <BluesKaj> astrobear, do the 3 finger salute  to reboot , then choose recovery from the grub menu , then you'll ahve dialog menu in minute , choose "fix broken pkges" , I had the same problem this morning ..incomplete install> I have everything working fairly well now.
[19:06] <astrobear> BluesKaj: aaaahhh!
[19:06] <astrobear> i did update packages last night for the first time in forever
[19:06] <astrobear> that's probably the problem
[19:06] <BluesKaj> yup, same as me
[19:07] <astrobear> BluesKaj: but can't i 'fix broken packages' without having to reboot?
[19:07]  * astrobear thinks so
[19:07] <BluesKaj> you need to boot in the recovery mode
[19:08] <astrobear> i suppose
[19:08] <bokey> i need the widget that shows the content of $HOME/Desktop
[19:08] <astrobear> i don't know of any other way to fix them
[19:08] <astrobear> brb
[19:08] <bokey> i accidently deleted it
[19:09] <bokey> i need the widget that shows the content of $HOME/Desktop
[19:09] <bokey> i need the widget that shows the content of $HOME/Desktop
[19:10]  * bokey sigh
[19:11] <anw_> how can I change hardware sound output ?
[19:12] <mack431> bokey you could use dolphin go to home and add it new
[19:12] <BluesKaj> bokey , right click on the panel add widgets
[19:13] <bokey> mack431: hang on
[19:13] <bokey> BluesKaj: yeah
[19:13] <BluesKaj> bokey , choose quick access
[19:13] <bokey> BluesKaj: thats not it
[19:14] <bokey> mack431: sorry mate
[19:14] <bokey> mack431: i am in $HOME
[19:14] <mack431> hm okay
[19:14] <mack431> do you use kde or gnome?
[19:14] <bokey> kde
[19:15] <BluesKaj> bokey , panel options/add widgets/quick access
[19:15] <bokey> the desktop showed up when i logged in the first time
[19:15] <starenka> hanlerchief
[19:15] <mack431> why dont you start up dolphin
[19:15] <starenka> *hankerchief
[19:15] <bokey> yeah
[19:15] <cerecitas> evening... been all day long struggling with this.. i cannot add widgets... sometimes it just wont add them even tho they are marked to, some others the whole plasma stops responding and i need to restart x  because only alt+tab works, yet i can see everything... any ideas?
[19:15] <bokey> i need one
[19:15] <mack431> go to home and right click desktop
[19:15] <mack431> than add it
[19:15] <astrobear> that didn't work
[19:15] <astrobear> and... i could have done all that from the cli :P
[19:16] <astrobear> it just removed partial packages and a few apt-get commands
[19:16] <astrobear> performed a few apt-get commands *
[19:16] <starenka> is there somewhere kde 4.21 repo for hardy?
[19:16] <astrobear> starenka: i don't know, but the latest kde from svn has some nice improvements indeed
[19:16] <BluesKaj> sry to hear that astrobear
[19:16] <astrobear> np
[19:17] <bokey> mack431: i am in dolphin bud
[19:17] <starenka> astrobear: i prefer packages
[19:18] <bokey> can anyone tell me how to show the damn desktop widget (that lists the contents of $HOME in my desktop?
[19:18] <cerecitas> go to add widgets and i will tell you the precise widget name
[19:18] <BluesKaj> !patience | bokey
[19:18] <cerecitas> in a second
[19:18] <bokey> cerecitas: i am there
[19:18] <cerecitas> but yeah be patient
[19:18] <cerecitas> bokey:  you need to add the widget called folderview
[19:18] <cerecitas> and it will show /home
[19:19] <cerecitas> then, on settings just mark the path to /home/Desktop
[19:19] <bokey> cerecitas: damn all done
[19:19] <bokey> thanks heaps
[19:19] <bokey> :D
[19:19] <bokey> g'day to ya all
[19:19] <starenka> green day indeed :)
[19:19] <cerecitas> is today widget's day? i'm having the time of my life with mines
[19:20] <starenka> what's a widget
[19:20] <starenka> :))
[19:21] <bonyui> whats widget day?
[19:21] <bonyui> O>
[19:21] <cerecitas> just joking bonyui looks like lots of people is having probs with them today
[19:21] <bonyui> oh lol
[19:25] <jismaelgf> ook
[19:31] <astrobear> okay the problem was the x config :\
[19:31] <vnwarrior> guys.. i'm going to install KDE 4.2 for the first time - I heard Firefox looks crappy without Gnome - is that true?
[19:32] <cerecitas> i use opera... but vnwarrior it is all up to how you theme
[19:32] <cerecitas> i mean which theme you use
[19:32] <astrobear> vnwarrior: no.
[19:32] <cerecitas> there are themes like noia really kdeish
[19:33] <vnwarrior> cerecitas: how should I theme? I use firefox exclusively..
[19:33] <astrobear> it's not the theme
[19:33] <vnwarrior> astrobear: ?
[19:33] <astrobear> the kde style is used in gtk apps by default
[19:33] <cerecitas> vnwarrior:  in firefox you can select the skins somewhere... i personally don't like it's looks
[19:34] <astrobear> don't worry about the skins
[19:34] <astrobear> in system settings > appearance > gtk styles and fonts, the "use my KDE style in GTK applications" option should already be selected
[19:35] <vnwarrior> astrobear: oh ok...
[19:36] <tcm> how do I invite someone to watch my webcam? I can't find any buttons to press. The webcam is working in skype
[19:36] <tcm> in kopete
[19:38] <astrobear> tcm: you have to tell them that you are a young blonde willing to do anything
[19:40] <tcm> astrobear: they already know that I am one. How do I start the "conversation"?
[19:40] <astrobear> tcm: have you checked settings > configure > video?
[19:41] <tcm> astrobear: everything is setuped I just can't find how to start the cam
[19:41] <tcm> have no button
[19:41] <tcm> like in skype
[19:42] <astrobear> hmm, what service are you using?
[19:42] <tcm> wlm
[19:45] <astrobear> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-248159.html
[19:45] <astrobear> http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=161123
[19:45] <astrobear> maybe those two links can help you wlm
[19:45]  * astrobear is away for a moment, need to reconfigure my x server
[19:48] <JDahl> I am trying to add a custom application launcher in KDE4.2. How do I do that that?  I found the Quicklauncher applet,  but I don't see how to configure its embedded applications
[19:49] <josh-l> anyone know how to turn off time stamp and join/part messages in quassel?
[19:51] <wallabee> im having trouble booting up kubuntu on my toshiba laptop. its been installed and working fine for over a year and now i get a GRUB error when in the GRUB loading stage. Its GRUB 1.5 and i get GRUB error 18. Any suggestions?
[19:52] <shock_day13> hey everyone
[19:53] <wallabee> ive heard about utility disks like testgrub and super grub disk but am not familiar with them. is there a standard utility i could possibly use to fix the problem?
[19:53] <shock_day13> does anyone know if there is a software in which we could design our own themes, or icons and stuff
[20:04] <heinkel_111> wallabe do you keep getting that error over and over... i have a toshiba too and it happens once a while but i just reboot and nothing in particular seem to be wrong
[20:05] <heinkel_111> so possibly not fatal
[20:08] <rraajj> Hi! I have this weird problem (on a fresh Intrepid install). Some keys need to be pressed twice to get their actual characters, or else they act as some sort of ¨modifier¨ keys. For example, the key ´ needs to be pressed twice so that I could actually get ´. :(
[20:10] <marlon> sup
[20:11] <marlon> anyone know some websites
[20:11] <Psychoholic> hello i'm having some problems with my kubuntu rig every time i boot i get to the splash screen and it says out of range and displays nothing is there a way to enter into a "safe mode"?
[20:11] <mmmarcus> ok
[20:12] <mmmarcus> lollllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll
[20:12]  * genii sips his coffee
[20:12] <Psychoholic> what kind of web sites are you looking for?
[20:12] <mmmarcus> how u do that
[20:12]  * bonyui sips his tea
[20:13] <mmmarcus> mutiplayer
[20:13] <Psychoholic> emote
[20:13] <mmmarcus> *emote
[20:13] <Psychoholic> what something you just play like java? or something you down load
[20:13] <mmmarcus> yeah java
[20:14] <mmmarcus> know any
[20:14] <Psychoholic> planeshift is preaty cool but you have to download
[20:14] <Psychoholic> thats about all i know
[20:14] <mmmarcus> any more
[20:14] <mmmarcus> thz
[20:15] <bonyui> hmm guys im starting to worry
[20:16] <bonyui> alot of people have had trouble connected to the internet throigh kubuntu on wlan
[20:16] <bonyui> so it seems on the internet.
[20:16] <bonyui> will any usb card work?
[20:16] <bonyui> Or does ithave to be a certain one :X
[20:16] <bonyui> I dunno
[20:16] <astrobear> w00t, issued is settled
[20:17] <Psychoholic> i know my wifes kubuntu rig has been giving us fits lots in the last month and my rig runs suse 11.1 and its looking lots and lots better every day..
[20:18] <anw_> [optimistic question] is there any emulator like VirtualBox which supports Direct3D ?? :)
[20:19] <mmmarcus> what i miss
[20:20] <weedar> anw_: I think VMWare might support D3D
[20:21] <bonyui> hi JohnLesbergtion
[20:21] <bonyui> welcome
[20:22] <JohnLesbergtion> hello all
[20:22] <JohnLesbergtion> hello bonyui
[20:22] <JohnLesbergtion> :P
[20:22] <JohnLesbergtion> ?
[20:22] <JohnLesbergtion> Puddle?
[20:22] <bonyui> shsuh
[20:22] <bonyui> Puddle?
[20:22] <bonyui> wtf
[20:23] <bonyui> ><
[20:23] <mmmarcus> ^_^
[20:25] <mmmarcus> ><
[20:26] <mmmarcus> if
[20:28] <mmmarcus> wath
[20:30] <Ch1ppy> Hey, usually dolphin will show my extra mounted drives in the Places bar, which is very convenient. However this is currently not showing at all... Is there any way to view the same list at all?
[20:31] <Ch1ppy> Gnome file explorers (going open in gtk apps) seem to show it, but the same thing from kde doesn't...
[20:32] <anw_> how can I ... how to say it ... add app to "start up" ?
[20:32] <JohnLesbergtion> irc.ddos.com
[20:32] <JohnLesbergtion> :P
[20:35] <bonyui> thank god
[20:35] <bonyui> fewwwwwwwwwwww]
[20:36] <JohnLesbergtion> -bonyui == puddle
[20:36]  * anw_ asks, how can he make start application automatically when he logs into system
[20:36] <JohnLesbergtion> || DDOS HIM || NOW NOW NOW
[20:36] <JohnLesbergtion> :P
[20:36] <JohnLesbergtion> lol
[20:37] <genii> !startup | anw_
[20:38] <JohnLesbergtion> !startup | gay_
[20:38] <JohnLesbergtion> lol
[20:38] <anw_> thanks .. (:
[20:38] <JohnLesbergtion> LOL
[20:39] <josh-l> anyone know if there is a konversation kde4 for kubuntu packaged?
[20:39] <bonyui> eww JohnLesbergtion theres a #mac channel here
[20:42] <eross> My screen goes blank after so many minutes and i have to hit a key to get it back, i looked at power management and it's not checked, i looked at screensaver and it's not checked. what gives?
[20:45] <KomiaPoika> hi
[20:45] <KomiaPoika> how to upgrade from 8.04 to 8.10, but leaving kde3 in place?
[20:45] <LjL> KomiaPoika: i don't think you can...
[21:03]  * dsmith_ still does not like kde4 even with the new BETA
[21:04] <Dillizar> how can i change the log in picture on kde 3.5.10
[21:06] <casa> #brasil
[21:06] <diablo> hello room
[21:07] <bonyui> casa go away theres a time and a place
[21:07] <bonyui> and this is the place for learning about linux my freinds
[21:07] <bonyui> :)
[21:08] <diablo> anyone having problems with the sound on ubuntu
[21:08] <nightdrever> hello...does anyone know why my webcam doesnt work on skype?.....it works on ekiga but not skype?
[21:09] <Dillizar> diablo: explain
[21:09] <nightdrever> it also works on windows skype but not ubuntu?
[21:09] <Dillizar> nightdrever: lol 8.10 :D
[21:09] <Dillizar> ??
[21:09] <nightdrever> ??
[21:09] <Dillizar> you are using 8.10
[21:10] <nightdrever> yes
[21:11] <Dillizar> nightdrever: i am trying to fix it since 2008 1st of may
[21:11] <Dillizar> :D
[21:11] <diablo> ok i just re-installed ubunto 8.10 and completely wiped xp on my acer aspire one d150 and havent had sound i tried just about everything my sound works only on my headphones :(
[21:11] <Dillizar> and i found how to fix it
[21:11] <Dillizar> it was fucking easy
[21:11] <sourcemaker> are there 9.04 users?
[21:11] <nightdrever> how?
[21:11] <Dillizar> sourcemaker: !ubuntu+1
[21:11] <Dillizar> nightdrever: go to the kubuntu web site
[21:12] <Dillizar> and download
[21:12] <Dillizar> 8.04
[21:12] <sourcemaker> Dillizar: ok
[21:12] <Dillizar> the only ubun tu that works good
[21:12] <Dillizar> sourcemaker: #ubuntu+1
[21:12] <Dillizar> brb
[21:14] <mni> hi all
[21:15] <mni> can somebody help me how to generate HTTP encoded password for SVN server using kubuntu?
[21:16] <Dragnslcr> mni- I believe you'd use htpasswd
[21:17] <mni> drgnsclr:procedure pls
[21:17] <ShinyLego> Ello
[21:18] <ShinyLego> I'm in a bit of a spot of trouble.
[21:18] <ShinyLego> I having problems logging in after installing Kubuntu 9.04 beta.  The Login screen comes up and I type everything in and then it goes black for a few seconds then goes straight back to the login screen.  So, whats qrong with it?
[21:18] <p_quarles> !jaunty | ShinyLego
[21:19] <ShinyLego> No you see, its KUBUNTU not ubuntu
[21:19] <tsimpson> ShinyLego: #ubuntu+1 is for both
[21:21] <ShinyLego> well, well.  U suck on dicks anyway
[21:37] <Dragnslcr> Can someone with a relatively clean install of 8.10 do "echo $TERM" in Konsole and tell me what they get?
[21:41] <p_quarles> Dragnslcr: it's xterm; why?
[21:41] <Dragnslcr> Hm, thanks
[21:46]  * irunongames is away: Gone away for now
[21:46] <Dragnslcr> Okay, that works. Now to find where to change it permanently
[21:53] <Dragnslcr> p_quarles- any idea where that's usually set? If I don't have an explicit export line in a bashrc file, I get "dumb"
[21:55] <p_quarles> Dragnslcr: update-alternatives, I believe
[21:59] <[oC]_HolyFather> I have a Power Mac G4 and I want to install Kubuntu on it ------ I downloaded both 6.10(Edgy Eft) and 7.10(Gutsy) PPC versions and all atempts to install failed --- How do I get it to install properly?
[22:01] <Dragnslcr> p_quarles- if it is, I don't see exactly what option it is
[22:03] <Dragnslcr> Putting export TERM='xterm' in /etc/bash.bashrc seems to work well enough
[22:05] <[oC]_HolyFather> would anyone know the answer to my question?
[22:05] <lovre> hi all
[22:05] <[oC]_HolyFather> there are a few things to be entered
[22:05] <[oC]_HolyFather> 'live' being the default command
[22:06] <lovre> WUBI installation cant load since windows was shut down improperly, not even when restarting properly.  What to do?
[22:06] <[oC]_HolyFather> there is also 'live-powerpc', live video=ofonly', etc etc
[22:09] <ronny_> como estas
[22:16] <lovre> does Amarok 2 support skins?
[22:16] <DarthFrog_> I officially hate Jaunty.
[22:16] <DarthFrog_> Damn thing doesn't work.
[22:17] <genii> DarthFrog_: Thats usually why I stay with LTS versions.
[22:17] <ikonia> worldwariii: I asked you not to pm people - please stop
[22:17] <DarthFrog_> genii: :-)  But that's boring.  Things work in LTS.
[22:17] <xjjk> DarthFrog_: what's wrong with it?
[22:17] <xjjk> I'm pretty happy with Jaunty so far... everything just *works*
[22:17] <DarthFrog_> xjjk: It doesn't respond to mouse clicks most of the time.
[22:18] <xjjk> it's the first Ubuntu in a while that has worked this well
[22:18] <xjjk> DarthFrog_: mmm
[22:18] <maco> dd anyone else get a PM from worldwariii?
[22:18] <maco> oh wait
[22:18] <maco> i see ikonia's message
[22:18] <DarthFrog_> Oh, and VMWare doesn't work anymore, either.
[22:18] <xjjk> DarthFrog_: the kernel may be too new... it's one reason why I stopped using VMWare
[22:19] <xjjk> VirtualBox is faster and seems better supported on Linux
[22:19] <maco> LjL: thanks
[22:19] <DarthFrog_> xjjk: I'm not blaming Jaunty for VMWare not working.
[22:26] <JohnLesbergtion> Windows users: irc.gaysex.com
[22:26] <JohnLesbergtion> that is for all thoose windows noobs
[22:26] <JohnLesbergtion> :P
[22:26] <JohnLesbergtion> :P
[22:26] <WatchBot> JohnLesbergtion: Please keep your links on topic and work safe.
[22:27] <JohnLesbergtion> fag
[22:27] <JohnLesbergtion> :P
[22:29] <josh-l> anyone know what the internal extender container widget , and the Activity Bar widgets do?
[22:33] <sg> helllllllllllloooooo
[22:35] <sg> is somone actif'
[22:35] <p_quarles> !ask | sg
[22:40] <gorgonzola> hello. I just updated to jaunty on a clean intrepid install, but i'm getting thi error:
[22:40] <gorgonzola> [ 1375.804551] ata1.00: exception Emask 0x0 SAct 0x0 SErr 0x0 action 0x6 frozen
[22:40] <gorgonzola> [ 1375.804566] ata1.00: cmd ea/00:00:00:00:00/00:00:00:00:00/a0 tag 0
[22:40] <gorgonzola> [ 1375.804568] res 40/00:00:00:00:00/00:00:00:00:00/00 Emask 0x4 (timeout)
[22:40] <gorgonzola> [ 1375.804574] ata1.00: status: { DRDY }
[22:40] <gorgonzola> Does anyone know here how can i determine if this a faulty driver or BIOS setting, or the drive is dying?
[22:41] <gorgonzola> any help in reading smartctl output would be really apreciated... :)
[22:43] <dereine> is this a known "bug" that in 9.04 the xorg server needs 20% cpu everytime?
[22:44] <tsimpson> 9.04 support is only in #ubuntu+1
[22:46] <bonyui> how do i log on as root?
[22:46] <bonyui> ??
[22:46] <tsimpson> don't
[22:46] <tsimpson> !sudo
[22:46] <bonyui> why?
[22:46] <bonyui> what will it do tsimpson?
[22:46] <gorgonzola> bonyui: as per ubuntu security police, ytou shuld not
[22:46] <tsimpson> because there is no need to "login" as root, use sudo to gain super user privileges
[22:46] <bonyui> oh ok
[22:46] <gorgonzola> bonyui: you can, howevere, run sudo bash to get a root prompt
[22:46] <tsimpson> no, use "sudo -i"
[22:46] <tsimpson> or "sudo -s"
[22:46] <bonyui> gorgonzola its just my freind
[22:46] <tsimpson> sudo bash will mess up
[22:47] <bonyui> showed me some commands
[22:47] <bonyui> that could get me online :X
[22:47] <bonyui> Supposedly
[22:47] <gorgonzola> tsimpson: ah, didn't know that, care to developp?
[22:47] <bonyui> im neveer gonna get online :(
[22:48] <tsimpson> gorgonizer: when you run bash (not from login) it inherits it's environment from the running shell. so $HOME will be the uses home, which can get written to as root
[22:48] <tsimpson> using "sudo -i" runs the shell as a login shell for the user, so no environment mixup
[22:49] <genii> makes things like .bashrc and .bash_history inpossible for the regular user to use again without reverting it's ownership back
[22:49] <gorgonzola> tsimpson: ah, ok... i tyhought it could be something more terribler, like root inheriting some $USER settings... i'll be careful with it, though. and by the way, i'm not gorgonizer, he is another dude i've seen sometimes around here :)
[22:50] <tsimpson> goalador: it would do that too, as $HOME/<any config> will be the users
[22:50] <tsimpson> erm, gorgonzola
[22:50] <tsimpson> too many tabs...
[22:50]  * irunongames is back.
[22:50] <p_quarles> bonyui: you can run those same commands, just using sudo instead of logging in as root
[22:51] <tsimpson> irunongames: please disable that away/back message
[22:51] <bonyui> lol tsimpson
[22:51] <irunongames> sorry
[22:51] <tsimpson> for GUI applications, use kdesudo though
[22:51] <qwood> kubu irc n00b here, where r the faqs? so i dont spam ppl.
[22:52] <bonyui> Some cards may not work automatically with Ubuntu. If this is the case, please look at the Wireless Troubleshooting Guide on the Ubuntu Wiki which is an excellent resource for troubleshooting wireless cards.
[22:52] <bonyui> If your wireless card does not work with Ubuntu, you may have to do some research in order to activate it. A relatively reliable way of getting a wireless card to work is to use the ndiswrapper tool which allows Ubuntu to use the Microsoft Windows driver for the wireless card. To do this, follow the instructions below in the section called “Windows Wireless Drivers”.
[22:52] <p_quarles> qwood: it's in the topic
[22:52] <bonyui> do yiu think thats my problem?
[22:53] <bonyui> The card?
[22:53] <kaddi> !faq
[22:53] <qwood> @p_quarles thnx
[22:54] <bonyui> i think im going to switch to windows wireless driver.
[22:54] <bonyui> :P
[22:55] <gorgonzola> ok, i'll ask mine again: any help here on how to detrermine if one of my drives is dying?
[22:55] <gorgonzola> i'm getting a lot of ata errors on boot and at runtime and i want to know if i'll have to dith this laptop :(
[22:56] <jussi01> !fsck | gorgonzola
[22:56] <cheryl> Hi, could someone help me with running a program from terminal please?
[22:57] <jussi01> !ask | cheryl
[22:57] <cheryl> How do I change directory at command prompt level?
[22:58] <cristian> cd directory
[22:58] <cristian> cd <directory>
[22:59] <cheryl> cristian: I keep getting no such file or directory.
[22:59] <bonyui> has anyone got any useful links that may help me to get connected through via wlan wireless?
[22:59] <cristian> try
[22:59] <bonyui> need helpp bad
[23:00] <cristian> do an ls
[23:00] <cheryl> cristian: My terminal opens at "cheryl@cheryl -desktop:~$
[23:00] <kaddi> cheryl where do you want to go?
[23:00] <cristian> cd ..
[23:00] <cristian> and with that u go up one lvl in the directory
[23:00] <bonyui> !fq
[23:00] <cprgmswr2> Hi
[23:00] <cheryl> cristian: I want to be in cheryl\documents\games\internet scrabble club
[23:01] <cristian> in linux is with /
[23:01] <cristian> not \
[23:01] <cristian> that for windows
[23:01] <jussi01> !tab
[23:01] <cprgmswr2> I am tring to get a dvd to play in kde4 but it keeps complaining about libdvdread4 missing
[23:01] <cprgmswr2> it says thet libdvdread4 is there
[23:01] <cheryl> okay
[23:01] <cprgmswr2> this is with intrepid
[23:02] <cheryl> cristian: So how do I do this, brains?
[23:02] <jussi01> cheryl: remember linux is CAse sensitive
[23:02] <cheryl> jussi01: Thank you. :)
[23:02] <cristian> first .. do this: ls
[23:02] <cristian> in your promt
[23:02] <jussi01> cheryl: try cd Docu<tab>
[23:03] <cheryl> jussi01: Didn't work! Just beeped!
[23:03] <cristian> cheryl: with "ls" command you see what diroctory r in the actual directory
[23:03] <cheryl> cristian: ls did somming, now wot
[23:04] <cristian> say to me .. someone
[23:04] <cristian> the color of directories are blue
[23:04] <cheryl> cristian: So the one that is highlighted green is the one I'm in?
[23:05] <cristian> directories r blue
[23:05] <cheryl> cristian: but one is highlighted in green
[23:05] <cristian> if you want to go ... Documents..
[23:05] <cprgmswr2> btw, this is really awsome running kde4 on my labtop
[23:05] <cristian> green is for packages
[23:06] <lovre> can someone help with printer driver installation, i dont understand this. I downloaded a driver, and typed make install, and it copied a file to /usr/bin/lbp660...... i dont know what to do next? How do i use this driver??
[23:06] <cristian> cheryl: tray: cd Documents
[23:06] <cheryl> cristian: They're all blue, but documents has a green block over it.
[23:07] <david__> I just did an update to Kubuntu, and Firefox is broken. Is this a known bug?
[23:07] <cheryl> cristian: Was that meant to be try or tray?
[23:07] <cprgmswr2> I am running firefox just fine
[23:07] <cristian> *try
[23:08] <cristian> lol
[23:08] <david__> with the latest update? A new version came out this morning.
[23:08] <david__> I'm on the bleeding edge release.
[23:08] <cheryl> cristian: no such file or dir! :(
[23:08]  * cheryl dresses david__'s open wound.
[23:09] <cheryl> cristian: I give up hon!! I will grill my ex's brains on Mon!
[23:09] <david__> Nothing else seems broken. Opera is running just fine.
[23:09] <kaddi> cheryl: can you open that folder with say konqueror? could you give us the address, that is shown in the adressbar of konqueror
[23:10] <cristian> cheryl:  i dont know whats going on with your console xD
[23:12] <gorgonzola> cheryl: copy the ouput of "pwd", please
[23:12] <kaddi> gorgonzola thx, was looking for that command myself :D
[23:13] <cristian> cheryl: in the console u see something like: cheryl@ubuntu:~$ ???
[23:13] <cheryl> crist
[23:13] <cristian> yes?
[23:14] <cheryl> cristian: Sorry my visitor arrived! lol
[23:14] <gorgonzola> ...
[23:14] <cristian> lol
[23:15] <cristian> anyway... someone have an ATI? it works good with the 3d cube?
[23:15] <cheryl> cristian: Will come back online 'n sort this at another time, sorry I have company! :)
[23:19] <lovre> how do i know if im using CUPS or something else?
[23:20] <Dragnslcr> Unless you installed something to specifically replace CUPS, that's what you'd be using
[23:20] <Dragnslcr> I don't even know of anything to replace it, unless there's some manufacturer-specific software
[23:22] <Tinason-> personally, 9.04 b1 is running better than 8.10 ever did. very stable,  nice performance. good release, especially for a beta
[23:22] <Tinason-> ...though i fail to see why quassel needed to be included
[23:23] <rob> hello.
[23:23] <kaddi> !hi|rob
[23:24] <rob> just loaded kubuntu...very new
[23:24] <rob> how would you load a 3rd party software application
[23:26] <kaddi> rob you would probably go looking for either an ubuntu package or a debian package on their site and download it to your PC. (unless somebody knows a better way ;) )
[23:27] <kaddi> what do you want install?
[23:28] <rob> raptor programming software
[23:30] <rob> i have been reviewing forums however can not find a good source
[23:33] <p_quarles> rob: you mean this? http://raptor.martincarlisle.com/
[23:33] <kaddi> things just keep crashing on me tongiht o.o
[23:33] <kaddi> rob: the protein modelling software?
[23:34] <kaddi> their website seems to have a "linuxversion", that should probably install fine with ubuntu
[23:34] <lovre> can i get some help with printer installation,i added a printer with cups, but i cant print, i am getting this error: "/usr/lib/cups/filter/foomatic-rip failed"
[23:34] <rob> yes that looks to be it
[23:34] <GentooJohnny> has anyone here ever networked two kubuntu pc's together through a router.
[23:34] <p_quarles> rob: which? my link or kaddi's idea?
[23:35] <EvaLuaTe> hello
[23:36] <EvaLuaTe> i can't find opera anywhere in the repository, isn't it available in kubuntu 8.10?
[23:36] <rob> yours.
[23:36] <rob> p quarles
[23:36] <p_quarles> rob: okay, well, that program is written for Windows in .NET 2.0; that will not run natively in anything besides Windows
[23:37] <p_quarles> rob: you can try running it in Wine; failing that, you will need Windows
[23:37] <rob> ok. so I am out of luck
[23:37] <p_quarles> well, I would give Wine a try; I've had luck with other .NET 2.0 apps
[23:37] <rob> yea...I have windows xp but trying to get away from that....I just created a dual boot system this past weekend
[23:38] <rob> and trying to learn this platform
[23:38] <genii> EvaLuaTe: It's proprietary. Maybe take a look here for how to install it http://my.opera.com/suribe/blog/2008/11/04/how-to-install-opera-9-62-on-ubuntu-8-10-plugins
[23:38] <demon> good for ya ya rob :)
[23:39] <Dragnslcr> rob- if it's .Net 2.0, there's a slim chance it'll run on mono
[23:39] <EvaLuaTe> genii: ok, thanks
[23:39] <genii> EvaLuaTe: np
[23:41] <Dillizar> wow kde on debian looks like a mix of kde and xfce
[23:41] <Dillizar> :)
[23:41] <rob> still looking at a few things here
[23:42] <Dillizar> !ask | rob
[23:44] <lovre> where do i find the file restartcups.sh'
[23:46] <p_quarles> lovre: sudo /etc/init.d/cups restart
[23:47] <genii> might be cupsys
[23:47] <lovre> p_quarles: ty
[23:48] <heavenmetal> Hello, I'm trying to install Kubuntu 7.10 from amd64 CD -downloaded via bittorrent- so I booted from CD and get to Kubuntu's splash screen but after hitting "Start or install Kubuntu" and seeing the brief "Loading Linux Kernel...100%" window/status-bar the screen goes to "kernel alive" love
[23:48] <heavenmetal> lock*
[23:51] <yml> hello good evining
[23:52] <yml> I have just downloaded the live cd 9.04 of kubuntu
[23:52] <Dragnslcr> heavenmetal- any particular reason you're using a version that old?
[23:52] <yml> and so far I am pleased of what I see
[23:53] <yml> how ever on my laptop samsung x10 the screen is blinking
[23:53] <yml> I guess it is due to the fact that my default it is not using the nvidia driver
[23:55] <yml> the thing which is a bit strange is that I cannot run "Hardware Drivers"
[23:55] <yml> the application is starting but no window pop up
[23:57] <heavenmetal> Dragnslcr: I'm going to install LinuxMCE over it
[23:57] <heavenmetal> at the moment, 7.10 is the newest supported