[00:00] <J_Litewski> does X run off the kernel now?
[00:00] <elvirolo> it uninstalled quite a few kde packages, and it won't let me install them back
[00:00] <bsnider> video memory is managed using the kernel
[00:01] <giesen> Does the Evolution MAPI plugin actually work for anyone using Jaunty Beta?
[00:01] <bsnider> if you're using the intel driver
[00:01] <bicchi> Will Jaunty default to Firefox 3.07 or the 3.5 release?
[00:01] <giesen> 3.0.7 by the looks of it
[00:01] <bsnider> that doesn't matter, since there are 3.1 beta packages
[00:02] <bicchi> will I be able to keep the same FF profile when moving from 3.07 to the 3.5?
[00:03] <bsnider> i am
[00:03] <bsnider> i'm using 3.1 with the same profile
[00:03] <BUGabundo> you mean 3.5
[00:03] <bsnider> it will be called 3.5 when it's stable
[00:03] <bicchi> isn't 3.1 = 3.5
[00:03] <bsnider> now it's 3.1 beta 3
[00:04] <J_Litewski> as of beta 4
[00:04] <bruce89> they decided 0.1 was not enough of a shameless bloat
[00:05] <bsnider> this is now the best browser there is, only safari comes close
[00:05] <J_Litewski> no, mozilla wanted to keep with the high version numbers of other browsers
[00:05] <bsnider> then there's a huge dropoff
[00:07] <J_Litewski> how would i rewrite my xorg.conf file to use the current configuration?
[00:08] <BUGabundo> bsnider: its already 3.5. I have both 3.5 and 3.6
[00:08] <BUGabundo>  !info firefox-3.5
[00:08] <bsnider> no it isn't
[00:08] <bsnider> and there is no 3.6
[00:08] <BUGabundo> lol
[00:09] <BUGabundo> I have it
[00:09] <BUGabundo>   Installed: 3.6~a1~hg20090327r26633+nobinonly-0ubuntu1~umd1
[00:09] <BUGabundo> firefox-3.5:  Installed: 3.5~b4~hg20090326r23929+nobinonly-0ubuntu1~umd1
[00:09] <bsnider> shiretoko is currently at 3.1 beta 3
[00:10] <BUGabundo> not here!
[00:10] <bsnider> ok, whatever
[00:10] <bicchi> when is beta 4 of firefox 3.5 coming? I am trying to find the release schedule.
[00:11] <BUGabundo> bicchi: I already have it on jaunty
[00:11] <BUGabundo> using the mozilla team PPA
[00:11] <BUGabundo> and daily ppa
[00:11] <bicchi> but when will go into ubuntu without using another repository.
[00:11] <bsnider> http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/all-beta.html
[00:12] <bsnider> what does that big orange button say?
[00:12] <BUGabundo> you have to ask fta or asac
[00:12] <Amaranth> bsnider: about 6 months
[00:14] <_VIM_2> J_Litewski: i got the sounds working, i had to install ubuntu-restricted-extras... I think somehow adding that, resetted something or another, at any rate it's working :D
[00:14] <J_Litewski> kk, cool
[00:14] <Amaranth> err, bicchi
[00:15] <Amaranth> bicchi: Firefox 3.5 will not be in the 9.04 release
[00:15] <bicchi> Amaranth: you mean as a default?
[00:15] <bicchi> or just not in it.
[00:15] <BUGabundo> bicchi: NO
[00:15] <BUGabundo> 3.5 will not be default
[00:16] <crdlb> you didn't have to yell
[00:16] <BUGabundo> see crdlb I just forgot shift
[00:16] <bicchi> I just found out that FF 3.5 beta 4 comes out on April 14
[00:17] <MTecknology> What do you guys think of how I put this countdown timer in? http://sd.ubuntu-us.org/
[00:17] <Delvien> Has anyone else experienced a hang on "starting up" after it hits grub. It only happens if I have a media card reader plugged in
[00:28] <Lamo> i just upgraded to jaunty for the hell of it and my computer froze during the upgrade and i had to drop to terminal to sudo reboot and now when i boot my keyboard and mouse no longer work and it hangs on ubuntu had to boot into low graphics mode. Any fix for this? cant do much without a keyboard.
[00:28] <Lamo> keyboard works fine on grub menu
[00:28] <Delvien> getting a weird thing with nautilus.
[00:29] <Delvien> Its opening up 1 folder every second when i instert a cd
[00:29] <Lamo> when i boot to recovery mode i have no keyboard use so i cant try to fix anything.
[00:30] <Lamo> ok recovery mode screen just went garbled on me
[00:30] <Lamo> any possible boot options i can add to get my keyboard working?
[00:31] <rconan> Lamo: can you drop to terminal?
[00:31] <Lamo> nope
[00:31] <rconan> Lamo: oh... no terminal even in recovery mode
[00:32] <Lamo> it just has the Ubuntu is running in low graphics mode screen
[00:32] <danbeck> yah, lol, finally got remix downloaded
[00:32] <Lamo> the screen shows up for recovery but i cant use my keyboard
[00:32] <rconan> Lamo: what about selecting recovery from the grub menu?
[00:32] <Lamo> no go either
[00:32] <Lamo> same thing
[00:32] <rconan> Lamo: if the upgrade was interupted try booting a livecd, mounting your partition, proc and dev and chrooting in
[00:33] <rconan> then run apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade
[00:33] <Lamo> ok tossed in a livecd and am rebooting now
[00:34] <rconan> ok... i assume you're IRCing on a different machine
[00:34] <Lamo> yes my laptop
[00:34] <rconan> always helpful
[00:34] <Lamo> indeed
[00:35] <Lamo> i was watching a TED talk in boxee when it froze so im not sure how far along the upgrade was
[00:36] <rconan> let me know when you've got a livecd running with terminla open
[00:36] <Lamo> almost there
[00:36] <Lamo> ok
[00:38] <Lamo> do i need to sudo su to do this?
[00:38] <rconan> Lamo: PM
[00:42] <BUGabundo> guud night guys
[00:52] <alec> hi.  Could someone help me please?
[00:52] <alec> For whatever reason , I can't restart X anymore by using key combo: "Ctrl-Alt-backspace".
[00:53] <alec> USed to work but I think it's been deactivated now.
[00:53] <alec> does anyone know the answer to this?
[00:53] <scream> alec,
[00:53] <devans> Hey guys, I am having a really ODD problem with connecting to a Microsoft VPN via PPTP using any method under Ubuntu Jaunty.  I know Jaunty is in beta, but the odd thing is, I have been connecting fine through Network Manger at my home - I have gone to my parents for the weekend and their setup to the internet is the same and it just fails a look in the logs and it just says pppd hangup.. I have googled my arse off and tried setting it up manually with
[00:53] <devans> the same results.  The network setup is, laptop (vpn client) ---->  adsl wifi router ---->  internet -----> work vpn server.  It is the same at my house and I connect fine, here at my parents no luck.  Any idea what could be going wrong ?
[00:53] <scream> There is a solution to this...
[00:53] <scream> alec, Ctrl-Alt-Backspace is now disabled, to reduce issues experienced by users who accidentally trigger the key combo. Users who do want this function can enable it in their xorg.conf, or via the command dontzap --disable.
[00:54] <alec> I did try the whole DONTZAP thing but it didn't work.  MAybe I did it wrong.  Woudl you mind showing me the correct syntax that I put in the xorg.conf file?
[00:54] <devans> I don't like the fact they disabled it, silly idea.
[00:54] <devans> :(
[00:54] <alec> i really liked being able to use this feature.
[00:54] <alec> it was NICE.
[00:55] <devans> Have any of you had issues with PPTP connections using NetworkManager ?
[00:55] <scream> alec, when you issued the don'tzap command, did you place "sudo" in front of it?
[00:55] <QPrime> devans: is the router at your parents house passing gre properly?
[00:55] <tvih-> any ideas why graphical interface gets stuck with black screen + loading cursor on startup? mainly still using intrepid, but some packages from jaunty due to having to use kernel from it.
[00:55] <devans> alec, It is nice, its part of unix history.  LOL.  Just enable it via the xorg.conf.
[00:55] <alec> well, I opened term and typed sudo su
[00:55] <alec> then pass
[00:55] <alec> then opened xorg.conf
[00:55] <_VIM_2> dont use su
[00:55] <_VIM_2> just sudo
[00:55] <scream> try...
[00:55] <scream> "sudo dontzap --disable"
[00:55] <alec> then found the <can't remember> section and added Option DONTZAP "FALSE"
[00:56] <alec> ok
[00:56] <devans> QPrime, Ok, the router at my house is a crappy soho isp bundled siemens router.. They router at my parents house is a linksys router.  I logged onto the linksys route rmanagement page and disabled all the functioanlity in the sense of firewall etc.  It does not mention anything about GRE.  I can't see it doing anything to the GRE packets though.
[00:56] <alec> pardon my ignorance here... where do I insert this sudo dontzap --disable cmd?  In x directly?
[00:56] <tvih-> bleh. guess I'll just try updating gnome to jaunty to see if that helps.
[00:57] <alec> x=xterm
[00:57] <scream> alec, the command will need to be issues via the terminal
[00:57] <alec> scream  I did that./
[00:57] <scream> Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal
[00:57] <devans> QPrime, How can I troubleshoot this?
[00:57] <alec> said command not found
[00:57] <scream> restart x and see if the combo is re enabled.
[00:57] <scream> oh ok
[00:58] <scream> You may have to add it to the conf, but I'm not sure the command yet.
[00:58] <QPrime> devans: likely yo be a router/isp issue rather than a Jaunty issue.  we can discuss in #ubuntu-offtopic if you want.
[00:58] <alec> lemme look for a sec.
[00:58] <alec> in my xorg.
[00:58] <scream> http://answers,launchpad.net
[00:58] <devans> QPrime, If I can narrow it down to the router then i can replace it.. although i highly doubt its the router mangling the GRE packets.  I guess its something to do with the client..
[00:58] <scream> may be of help.
[00:58] <scream> That is where I ususally go.
[00:58] <devans> QPrime, thank you let me join
[00:58] <alec> ok
[00:59] <scream> https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+addquestion
[00:59] <scream> actually
[00:59] <alec> Scream.. .what abotu this...
[00:59] <alec> in xorg.conf, then in Section "Server Layout" O put     Option         "DontZap" "disable"
[01:00] <alec> O put = I put
[01:01] <maccam-jaunty> are there any known bugs with graphics when running jaunty under virtualization?
[01:02] <crdlb> alec: 'sudo dontzap --disable' is easier :)
[01:02] <alec> I tried that and it said DONTZAP command not found
[01:02] <maccam-jaunty> alec: sudo apt-get install dontzap
[01:02] <alec> hmmm
[01:02] <alec>  cool.
[01:02] <alec> let's see.
[01:03] <crdlb> also, it's not DONTZAP :)
[01:03] <alec> couldnt find packg DONRZAP
[01:03] <maccam-jaunty> that too
[01:03] <alec> DONTZAP
[01:03] <alec> what is it
[01:03] <alec> ?
[01:03] <maccam-jaunty> case matters, and it's lowercase
[01:03] <crdlb> why are you capitalizing it?
[01:03] <alec> ok sorry   dontzap
[01:04] <maccam-jaunty> alec: what are you typing in the terminal?
[01:04] <_VIM_2> just copy and paste this: sudo apt-get install dontzap && sudo dontzap --disable
[01:04] <alec> I only capitalized so it would stand out as a command, sorry.
[01:04] <crdlb> that's not a good idea on a case-sensitive OS :)
[01:04] <alec> could find package dontzap
[01:04] <alec> next?
[01:04] <_VIM_2> enable all your repos
[01:04] <crdlb> !info dontzap
[01:05] <crdlb> it's in main ...
[01:05] <_VIM_2> hmmm
[01:05] <_VIM_2> find a .deb then?
[01:05] <alec> I thought all repos were activated.
[01:05] <alec> is there a cmd line quicky way to do this?
[01:05] <maccam-jaunty> alec: you're using jaunty right?
[01:05] <alec> Ibex
[01:06] <alec> 9.10
[01:06] <alec> 8.10
[01:06] <maccam-jaunty> that would be why
[01:06] <alec> oh yeah?
[01:06] <_VIM_2> lol
[01:06] <maccam-jaunty> you don't use dontzap in 8.10
[01:06] <alec> doh!
[01:06] <alec> ok.
[01:06] <alec> darn
[01:06] <maccam-jaunty> this channel is for the next version of ubuntu, 9.04 jaunty
[01:06] <alec> so the question is then... is it even possible to RE-ACTVATE ctrl-alt-backspace in 8.10
[01:06] <alec> ?
[01:06] <maccam-jaunty> ctrl alt backspace is active in 8.10
[01:07] <alec> sorry... sCream told me to come here.
[01:07] <maccam-jaunty> for support of current ubuntu releases, go to #ubuntu
[01:07] <maccam-jaunty> why do you think you need to activate that key combo?
[01:07] <alec> I told him i was using ibex.  BUT.. to be honest, I didn't even know 9.04 was out and I'm really excited about that.
[01:07] <maccam-jaunty> it's not out yet
[01:07] <maccam-jaunty> it comes out in a month
[01:08] <alec> I'd like to activate it because, simply, it's awesome to be able to make a change to, for example, xorg and then restart x without having to reboot machine.
[01:08] <maccam-jaunty> alec: that is the default behavior in 8.10
[01:08] <alec> doesn't come out yet huh?
[01:08] <alec> DEACTIVATED is default?
[01:08] <alec> maccam?  deactivated is default in 8.10?
[01:08] <maccam-jaunty> if it's not working, then your keyboard is probably not being recognized correctly, and your control or alt key is not being recognized
[01:09] <maccam-jaunty> ctrl alt backspace works by default in 8.10 and earlier
[01:09] <alec> hmm.. that's a thought. It's a simple, crappy Dynex keyboard.
[01:09] <alec> what would he best route be in sorting the correct drivers?
[01:10] <alec> should I jsut dink around with the different drivers that are available?
[01:10] <maccam-jaunty> not exactly
[01:10] <maccam-jaunty> you either need to map a key, or change your keyboard layout
[01:10] <alec> is that possible thru the GUI?
[01:10] <khear> alec: killing x isn't necessarily a safe way to restart it, when you can restart it properly.
[01:10] <alec> something like... System>Administration>Keyboard or something?
[01:11] <alec> ok.. what do you recommend?>
[01:11] <maccam-jaunty> alec: yes system-administration->keyboard
[01:12] <maccam-jaunty> alec: generally you use that key combo to restart a locked up X. to restart it safely, hit ctrl alt f1, log in, and sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[01:12] <alec> BTW, u guys have been a HUGE help and I really appreciate your patience and such.  FIRST TIMER HERE.  TONIGHT.
[01:12] <ethana2> I imported my firefox settings from my 8.10
[01:12] <maccam-jaunty> to get back to the gui, you might have to hit ctrl alt f7 or f8
[01:12] <ethana2> it didn't get any of them, but it did tell firefox that java and flash were already installed
[01:12] <ethana2> so, how do I tell firefox that it doesn't have anything?
[01:13] <ethana2> delete .mozilla?
[01:13] <alec> maccam... ok.
[01:13]  * ethana2 deletes .mozilla
[01:13] <alec> BTW, where do I go for Ibex ???s?
[01:13] <maccam-jaunty> #ubuntu
[01:13] <alec> I went there and this guy told me to come here./
[01:14] <alec> thanks.
[01:14] <maccam-jaunty> he made a mistake because you were talking about enabling ctrl alt backspace
[01:14] <ethana2> blast, I removed .mozilla, but it still isn't offering to install flash for me
[01:14] <alec> i see.
[01:14] <alec> thanks so much guys(and girls?).
[01:15] <alec> see you SOON!
[01:16] <Serval> When I try to use the live CD for Ubuntu 9.04, It's starts off in a terminal, and typing in "startx" gives an error "no screen found"
[01:17] <crdlb> Serval: what GPU?
[01:17] <Serval> ATI, HD 3470, on a laptop
[01:18] <ethana2> How do I make rhythmbox stay out of my notification area?
[01:18] <ethana2> that is abuse of that panel applet, I don't want to put it in a drawer again, because that just makes the whole thing worthless
[01:19] <crdlb> hmm, can you really not turn it off?
[01:20] <crdlb> Serval: hmm radeon is supposed to provide 2d
[01:20] <crdlb> Serval: you could edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf and put a Driver "vesa"
[01:20] <ethana2> crdlb: was that to me?
[01:20] <crdlb> in Section "Device"
[01:20] <crdlb> ethana2: yes
[01:20] <Serval> crdlb: I don't know how to edit from the terminal
[01:20] <ethana2> can't see how to do that, no
[01:20] <crdlb> Serval: sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[01:21] <Serval> Ok, thanks, but how do I get the driver in there?
[01:22] <crdlb> add Driver "vesa" in Section "Device"
[01:23] <hacker07> hey
[01:23] <Serval> Could I do that from the live CD, or do I have to install first?
[01:24] <hacker07> is ubuntu 9.04 going to have ext4 defualt
[01:25] <ethana2> hacker07: no.
[01:25] <ethana2> ext3 default
[01:25] <Serval> I'm gonna go try now, alternative install maybe
[01:26] <hacker07> that sucks
[01:26] <hacker07> well i converted and it seems faster
[01:26] <Serval> Oh noes, you can't force everyone to default to a new filesystem on it' first release!
[01:27] <hacker07> yeah
[01:27] <hacker07> that sucks
[01:27] <Serval> >.>
[01:28] <hacker07> who listens to metal?
[01:28] <crdlb> people who like it
[01:28] <hacker07> lol
[01:28] <hacker07> do you
[01:28] <crdlb> and people who don't like it but are forced to
[01:28] <hacker07> lol
[01:28] <Cycom> I still don't trust EXT4
[01:29] <hacker07> why?
[01:29] <Cycom> hacker07: because it went south on me, and basically ate my /home.
[01:29] <hacker07> damn that sucks
[01:30] <hacker07> i dont trust it either but i got hardcore backups
[01:42] <funkyHat> +1 for confirmations on the fast user switcher applet :)
[01:43] <_VIM_2> that thing is sweet
[01:44] <funkyHat> I like it in Intrepid but I worry that I'll accidentally click shutdown or something and not be able to cancel it
[01:44] <_VIM_2> this is first time using it for me
[01:45] <crdlb> funkyHat: eh? it does ask you with a dialog, doesn't it?
[01:45] <funkyHat> crdlb: in Jaunty yes, not in Intrepid, hence my :)
[01:46] <crdlb> ah
[01:49] <Beastie> k wtf
[01:50] <_VIM_2> well hello to you too Beastie
[01:50] <ethana2> gehh, why can't the gnome folks use freenode like normal Human Beings?
[01:50] <_VIM_2> :P
[01:50] <Beastie> the update screwed my kde
[01:50] <Beastie> now my kde is not working
[01:51] <Cycom> is dragon player primarily a KDE thing?
[01:53] <Beastie> ok you all screwed kde up
[01:53] <Beastie> fix it
[01:53] <h00k> I've been on arch too long, where would I find hal to restart it? /etc/ ...
[01:53] <Beastie> my laptop is now useless
[01:54] <Cycom> h00k: /etc/init.d/hal
[01:54] <h00k> Cycom, er, yeah, brain fart.  Thanks.
[01:54] <Beastie>  /me is now mad
[01:54] <tvih-> Beastie: that's what you get for upgrading ;)
[01:55] <Cycom> h00k: heh, no problem.
[01:55] <Beastie> all this work I out into my laptop and it takes you all  1/2 a day to break it
[01:55] <h00k> Beastie, nobody forced you to install anything
[01:56] <h00k> Beastie, Beta's are generally buggy, thats why they're beta.
[01:57] <Cycom> Beastie: dude, you installed a BETA of ubuntu THE DAY AFTER THE BETA WAS RELEASED.
[01:57] <Cycom> Beastie: what's next, you're going to enter an drug trial and complain about the side effects that the warn you about?
[01:58] <Cycom> they*
[01:58] <tvih-> ah, reminds me of the good ol' days of using debian unstable. never had any problems though :D
[01:58] <h00k> brb, session restart
[01:58] <tvih-> but erm. so. kde in jaunty currently doesn't work then?
[01:59] <Beastie> no I had cron-apt installed
[01:59] <Beastie> and it did it automaticly
[01:59] <funkyHat> Beastie: that means you must have been running the alpha already then, so Cycom's point still stands
[01:59] <tvih-> just wondering because i was thinking of testing kde (now gnome, obviously)
[02:00] <Beastie> yes I was running alpha with no issues
[02:01] <Beastie> grrrr
[02:01] <Beastie> well now I have to wait and see if they fix it soon
[02:02] <Wortman> where is e4defrag in 9.04 beta?
[02:02] <Wortman> it was all in the alphas and boom now its gone or is it renamed?
[02:02] <mib_gvs8rdh9> heya
[02:03] <mib_gvs8rdh9> anyone?
[02:03] <mib_gvs8rdh9> ...
[02:04] <funkyHat> Oh :( so much for that, there's no confirmation/countdown if you click restart
[02:04] <Wortman> its like completely gone how stupid put it back
[02:05] <Wortman> thats like the main reason for using EXT4 here man
[02:05] <Wortman> I do A LOT of file moving and this is kinda a bummer and I hope it is in the final release
[02:05] <mib_gvs8rdh9> could anyone help me sharing files on a windows network?
[02:06] <mib_gvs8rdh9> with a vista pc
[02:07] <mib_gvs8rdh9> i've been trying to use samba and i can see the locations but i can't access them >_<
[02:07] <Volkodav> check the config
[02:07] <funkyHat> vbox guest addons aren't working with Jaunty (not particularly surprised there, just sayin')
[02:07] <yofel> Wortman: e4defrag never was in 9.04 - see bug 321528 . Or where exactly did you find it?
[02:07] <Volkodav> samba's site has tons of sample configs
[02:07] <mtholdenss> hey on jaunty beta i can't get effects to work, can it not work on a 64 bit os, do i have to download the 32 bit instead?
[02:07] <Wortman> it was in an alpha release I tried a few weeks ago idk
[02:08] <tvih-> well. that was unexpected. system booted up fine after upgrading to jaunty, but it appears mouse now doesn't work :D neither touchpad nor separate usb mouse
[02:08] <QPrime> funkyHat: vbox addons for a Jaunty guest?
[02:08] <funkyHat> QPrime: yeah
[02:08] <funkyHat> QPrime: error with the video driver
[02:09] <QPrime> funkyHat:  I;m using them right now.  you are prolly referring to the video driver install issue?
[02:09] <QPrime> you can hack the install file.
[02:09] <Daisuke_Ido> interesting issue after installing jaunty...  upon logging into gnome, i get hundreds (literally) of "starting file manager" notifications in the taskbar
[02:09] <mib_gvs8rdh9> lolz
[02:09] <QPrime> its looking for an Xserver string of 1.6 when its really 1.6.0
[02:10] <tvih-> any ideas what the mouse issue could be caused by?
[02:12] <Cycom> welp, I've basically given up on totem being able to open ISOs correctly, so I'm just going to use VLC
[02:12] <Cycom> and hope the bug gets fixed eventually.
[02:12] <QPrime> funkyHat: http://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=15512   <-- solution
[02:12] <funkyHat> QPrime: cheers :) looking now
[02:12] <QPrime> np
[02:16] <mib_gvs8rdh9> grrr this thing is getting on my nerves >_<
[02:16] <mib_gvs8rdh9> i think the problem is in vista
[02:17] <mib_gvs8rdh9> cuz it normally asks for a password whenever i connect to it with a windows pc
[02:17] <Beastie> ok well I hope its fixed soon
[02:17] <Beastie> night
[02:21] <mtholdenss> is there a 64 bit ubuntu channel?
[02:26] <Cycom> mtholdenss: not sure, but I think they support 64-bit in here still
[02:27] <tvih-> damn, i want my mouse working again. hehe.
[02:28] <johninlex> I have a question I know this is not the best room but the normal #ubuntu is not able to answer
[02:28] <tvih-> what in jaunty could've disabled the mouse anyway. it wasn't the kernel.
[02:28] <funkyHat> johninlex: if it's about jaunty ask away, if not try #ubuntu-offtopic
[02:29] <ethana2> So the default flash plugin for x64 is the x32 one with ia32libs?
[02:29] <johninlex> is video part of xorg, or how can I restore my video
[02:29] <lacqui> hello all
[02:29] <lacqui> my upgrade to jaunty beta was interrupted by a power bump.
[02:29] <lacqui> now i can't load x
[02:29] <johninlex> if I could find out I would do the searching and fix it but not sure where to start
[02:29] <lacqui> is there a way to restore an upgrade?
[02:30] <tvih-> lacqui, just run apt-get dist-upgrade i guess
[02:31] <ethana2> lacqui: boot into the recovery terminal
[02:31] <ethana2> lacqui: if you try to run apt-get upgrade, it should complain and tell you what to do to fix your OS
[02:31] <ethana2> just do what it says
[02:31] <ethana2> ubuntu has an amazing ability to heal itself after odd disasters like that
[02:32] <lacqui> OK, i ran apt-get upgrade and got "E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'sudo dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem."
[02:32] <ethana2> so run    sudo dpkg --configure -a
[02:33] <lacqui> which I did, then got 'dpkg: parse error, in file `/var/lib/dpkg/update/0001' near line 21 package `dctrl-tools':
[02:33] <ethana2> odd
[02:33] <lacqui> EOF during value of field `Description' (missing final newline)
[02:33] <Beastie> the 64 is borked
[02:33] <ethana2> Beastie: what do you mean?
[02:33] <Daisuke_Ido> this is really REALLY ticking me off :|
[02:33] <Beastie> kubuntu
[02:34] <Beastie> 64
[02:34] <ethana2> interesting
[02:34] <SuperSquirrel> How can i get jaunty to detect bigger screen resoulations than 1024x768
[02:34] <ethana2> SuperSquirrel: gotta have the right drivers
[02:34] <Daisuke_Ido> a literal flood of 'starting file manager' notifications in the window list
[02:34] <ethana2> SuperSquirrel: what's your gpu?
[02:34] <SuperSquirrel> gma 915
[02:34] <ethana2> ohh
[02:34] <lacqui> can i delete /var/lib/dpkg/updates & try again, or will i kill it worse?
[02:34] <ethana2> lacqui: not sure
[02:35] <SuperSquirrel> in intrepid i could get 1490x900
[02:35] <Beastie> nite chat tomorrow some time
[02:35] <ethana2> SuperSquirrel: you mean 1440x900
[02:35] <SuperSquirrel> yeah
[02:35] <lacqui> i guess i'll try renaming it and trying
[02:36] <Daisuke_Ido> seriously, any ideas?  this is pushing my laptop temp past 84 and i can't see a process causing it
[02:38] <Daisuke_Ido> well, it was nautilus.  WHY it was doing this is beyond me, but pkill nautilus took care of it.
[02:38] <johninlex> is video part of xorg, or how can I restore my video
[02:38] <johninlex> if I could find out I would do the searching and fix it but not sure where to start
[02:45] <Ienorand> Anyone using jaunty on a dell xps? Run into net connection problems?
[02:46] <crdlb> 'xps' does not (afaik) imply a certain ethernet chipset
[02:47] <johninlex> Ienorand,  just a dell xps 410 desktop with an intel card but followed any normal setup
[02:48] <tvih-> hmm. now usb mouse works, although left and right mouse buttons are reversed for some reason. and still no touchpad.
[02:50] <Ienorand> Oh, I was going for the lpatops but yea I guess net hardware vary greatly, nevermind.
[02:50] <johninlex> tvih I had the same problem with DSL have you check on /dev/swap?
[02:51] <johninlex> but mine was a problem with the mouse between the g and the h
[02:51] <lacqui> looks like emptying /var/lib/dpkg/updates worked (actually moved them all to a temp location just in case)
[02:52] <lacqui> now just need to wait a couple hours for the update to take place
[02:52] <histo> Just FYI trying to install with a netinstall from us.archive.ubuntu.com getting all sorts of errors with the package files not being valid etc..
[02:53] <histo> archive.ubuntu.com seems to be working fine.
[02:53] <_VIM_2> how does one reconfigure their keyboard settings if it gets stuck on the wrong language? (earlier today when I updated, and rebooted, the keyboard layout was in Arabic)
[02:54] <hggdh> under Gnome?
[02:54] <_VIM_2> histo: the servers are jammed because of the beta release
[02:54] <_VIM_2> hggdh: xubuntu
[02:54] <histo> _VIM_2: why would that cause the keys to fail?
[02:54] <_VIM_2> donno it was a shock to me too
[02:54] <_VIM_2> i had to reinstall :(((((
[02:54] <histo> You could just switch mirrors to correct the problem.
[02:54] <_VIM_2> luckly i didnt have anything worth saving
[02:55] <histo> wth now its not pulling all the packages
[02:56] <histo> I had no problem upgrading a intrepid sys yesterday. Worst case I'll go that route again. But was hoping to skip some steps with the mini.iso
[02:56] <histo> Boots amazingly fast though I was impressed with the improvements there.
[02:56] <histo> Lots of issues with intel 845 graphics adapters though. Anyone that catches this in the lgo.
[03:01] <tvih-> yay mouse back in action
[03:04] <histo> Ugghh all sorts of issues with the net install.
[03:07] <tvih-> any ideas why there's a textbox thingie that reads "No indicators" on my upper gnome bar next to network manager etc icons?
[03:14] <TychoQuad> I keep getting this error when trying to upgrade. anyone know why? "W:Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/jaunty/main/binary-i386/Packages.bz2  Hash Sum mismatch
[03:14] <TychoQuad> , W:Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/jaunty/universe/source/Sources.bz2  Hash Sum mismatch
[03:14] <TychoQuad> , E:Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead."
[03:18] <_VIM_2> Ok i just installed guest tools in vbox 2.1.4 , Jaunty did NOT like that at all, now when i restart it, it wont boot X
[03:18] <r0b> how do i close pidgin to tray on the beta, when i click close it kills pidgin, on 8.10 close goes to tray something wrong?
[03:19] <crdlb> r0b: I believe you can still enable the tray plugin
[03:19] <porter1> Tray is working here
[03:20] <r0b> ok i found it thanks under tray option it was set to never by default, kinda strange
[03:20] <r0b> i fixed it by changing it to always
[03:20] <crdlb> r0b: intentional
[03:21] <r0b> intentionally dumb imo
[03:21] <crdlb> they're trying to replace some abuses of the tray with the indicator applet
[03:21] <TychoQuad> not everyone likes to have 500 apps in the tray
[03:21] <r0b> id rather see it in the tray over the taskbar
[03:22] <TychoQuad> well guess what? you can make it do that. problem solved.
[03:22] <bsnider> r0b, run it out of awn and don't use the tray at all, like OSX
[03:22] <porter1> Anyone know how the screenshots are populated for packages?
[03:23] <crdlb> porter1: where?
[03:24] <histo> Are the repos seriously that hammered? I ca't even download the release file
[03:24] <TychoQuad> same histo, looks like we have to wait
[03:25] <_VIM_2> the update servers seem to be better
[03:25] <porter1> crdlb, the new feature where you can view a screenshot of the program
[03:25] <porter1> It's in synaptic
[03:25] <crdlb> ah, I never use synaptic
[03:26] <crdlb> I'll look once these updates are done
[03:26] <histo> crdlb: then use apt-cache search
[03:26] <histo> crdlb: then you don't have to wait for the updates
[03:26] <crdlb> they put screenshots in apt-cache search? :O
[03:26]  * crdlb imagines aalib-style ascii art
[03:26] <histo> crdlb: no nvm though you were looking for an application that did that.
[03:27] <crdlb> :)
[03:27] <porter1> :)
[03:27] <histo> Hell yeah +1 for ascii art screenshots
[03:27] <histo> That would be sweet. Thats what we have been missing all this time in ubuntu.
[03:27] <porter1> I think they've only populated the really common packages right now
[03:27] <porter1> Such as OpenOffice, etc.
[03:28]  * histo x's fingers hoping that the netinstaller will actually download packages this time.
[03:28] <histo> Nope invalid release key.
[03:28] <histo> This is not a bandwidth issue this is something else going on
[03:28] <TychoQuad> I'm getting the same histo
[03:29] <histo> TychoQuad: you using hte mini.iso?
[03:29] <porter1> Can you choose a different mirror?
[03:29] <TychoQuad> no, the update manager
[03:29] <TychoQuad> I'm using main
[03:29] <histo> TychoQuad: if you switch repos and us the non us ones it should work.
[03:29] <porter1> The gov mirror run really fast here
[03:29] <histo> TychoQuad: ex: us.archive.... to archive....
[03:30] <histo> The signature key on the US server is just jacked up
[03:31] <TychoQuad> recomend any particular server?
[03:31] <crdlb> the main archive?
[03:31] <histo> TychoQuad: I switched to ftp and i'm trying archive.ubuntu.com now
[03:31] <histo> nope couldn't download package adduser
[03:32] <TychoQuad> how do i switch it to ftp?
[03:32] <histo> TychoQuad: you can't .
[03:32] <TychoQuad> ... then what did you just tell me?
[03:32] <histo> TychoQuad: i'm installing right now so I can switch what the installer uses as an interface
[03:33] <histo> TychoQuad: you can switch servers though from us.archive.ubuntu.com to archive.ubuntu.com
[03:33] <billybigrigger_> can someone suggest a good temp monitoring app?
[03:33] <TychoQuad> and where do you do this? software sources doesn't list either
[03:33] <histo> TychoQuad: /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:33] <histo> !sources
[03:35] <histo> I think the repos are just jacked up right now because It just errored ont he exact same file second time through.
[03:36] <TychoQuad> i'm already set to archive.ubuntu.com anyway
[03:36] <histo> yeah theres issues on all of them with a few key files.
[03:38] <crdlb> porter1: http://screenshots.debian.net
[03:38] <_VIM_2> im getting the same thing it's saying it cant grab 4 files
[03:38] <_VIM_2> when trying to update
[03:38] <porter1> Hmmm
[03:38] <TychoQuad> hmmm, well i got half of the packages last night, so perhaps it will let me grab the remainder if i try another one
[03:38] <histo> I give. I'm installing intrepid and I'll upgrade the system later when the repos are fixed
[03:39] <Daskreech> What's the hard drive partitioner?
[03:40] <crdlb> gparted?
[03:40] <Daskreech> KDE
[03:42] <crdlb> then the kde frontend
[03:42] <crdlb> it's either kparted or qtparted
[03:42] <histo> Yeah intrepid repos are fine
[03:42] <hanasaki> anyone able to play DVD's? with totem? vlc?  if so..what did you do to get them to play?  I get
[03:42] <hanasaki> libdvdnav: ifoRead_TITLE_VOBU_ADMAP vtsi failed
[03:42] <hanasaki> vlc: /build/buildd/libdvdnav-4.1.3/src/vm/vm.c:1485: process_command: Assertion `0' failed.
[03:44] <Daskreech> !info qtparted
[03:48] <billybigrigger_> what version of gtk does jaunty have
[03:49] <crdlb> !info libgtk2.0-0
[03:49] <Daskreech> !info libgtk2
[03:49] <Daskreech> Bah you got it first
[03:49] <crdlb> and better :)
[03:49] <Daskreech> :-)
[03:50] <Daskreech> what's the deal with Gnome and GTk moving forward
[03:50] <Daskreech>  Gnome 2.30 is going to be GNome 3.0
[03:50] <crdlb> right
[03:50] <Daskreech> Is that going to be on libgtk3 ?
[03:50] <crdlb> yes, or at least there will be a gtk3 soon
[03:50] <crdlb> it will mainly just break ABI by making more stuff private
[03:50] <Daskreech> So Gnome 3.0 will fora while be gtk2 possibly?
[03:51] <crdlb> currently, there is quite a bit of direct struct access in gtk+ api usage, which makes internal changes in gtk very difficult
[03:51] <crdlb> no, gtk+-3.0 will not be a big change
[03:51] <billybigrigger_> so if i need gtk 2.6+ im screwed?
[03:52] <Daskreech> So wait on GTk4.0 then
[03:52] <crdlb> billybigrigger_: 16 > 6
[03:52] <billybigrigger_> crdlb, missed that thanks
[03:52] <billybigrigger_> anyone here successfully compiled the new phoronix test suite 1.8 with gui?
[03:52] <crdlb> Daskreech: for what?
[03:53] <Daskreech> big changes
[03:53] <crdlb> the gtk api is pretty good imho, it's mainly the internals that are getting stale
[03:53] <billybigrigger_> the gui requires me to compile php-gtk and php-gtk depends on GTK+ 2.6.9 or greater
[03:53] <crdlb> so by sealing up the API, they can rework in the 3.x series
[03:53] <billybigrigger_> crdlb, i should be good to go that way then?
[03:53] <crdlb> billybigrigger_: seriously? what do you have that uses php-gtk?
[03:54] <billybigrigger_> crdlb, phoronix
[03:54] <billybigrigger_> crdlb, the new phoronix 1.8 comes with a gui, and it requires php-gtk
[03:54] <crdlb> excuse me while I lol
[03:55] <billybigrigger_> ahhh man, that can't be good :P
[03:55] <billybigrigger_> you lol'n @ me or phoronix?
[03:55] <crdlb> phoronix
[03:55] <billybigrigger_> good, was just about to slap you if you were laughin at me :P
[03:55] <billybigrigger_> hah jk
[03:56] <billybigrigger_> well the cli of phoronix-test-suite is nice, just want to check out this new gui they
[03:56] <billybigrigger_> 're using
[03:56] <pirate> Is anyone else having severe stability issues with Jaunty?
[03:56] <crdlb> pirate: what kind?
[03:56] <pirate> It completely locks up on me randomly
[03:56] <mint3> can anyone help me get my wireless working please ?
[03:56] <pirate> no pattern
[03:56] <pirate> it happens with different programs running and with different uptimes
[03:57] <crdlb> billybigrigger_: well, php-gtk seems to not be in jaunty :)
[03:57] <mint3> atheros ar242x . i already have enabled using madwifi drivers via "hardware drivers"
[03:57] <pirate> what happens is it just completely freezes and no matter what I do it doesn't respond, so I have to power down the computer
[03:57] <billybigrigger_> crdlb, no, i have to compile it myself :(
[03:57] <mint3> anyone ?
[03:57] <crdlb> mint3: just use ath5k
[03:57] <billybigrigger_> crdlb, which is gay cause everytime i try to compile something, i see big letters on my screen....EPIC FAIL
[03:58] <mint3> crdlb,  = i tried using ndiswrapper
[03:58] <mint3> however unsuccessful for some reason
[03:58] <mint3> how do i get ath5k running?
[03:58] <crdlb> mint3: ath5k should work OOTB
[03:58] <mint3> whats ootb ?
[03:58] <pirate> also having trouble getting my sansa 250 mp3 player to connect to my Jaunty install
[03:59] <crdlb> out of the box
[03:59] <Daskreech> pirate: can you ssh in ?
[03:59] <pirate> ?
[03:59] <mint3> is it sudo apt-get install ath5k , crdlb  ?
[03:59] <pirate> ssh into what?
[04:00] <crdlb> mint3: it's the default choice if you disable madwifi
[04:00] <mint3> well its not working crdlb
[04:00] <mint3> on jaunty
[04:00] <Daskreech> pirate: When you box freezes
[04:00] <Daskreech>  I'm betting it's an X issue taking over the keyboard
[04:01] <pirate> I only have one computer
[04:01] <pirate> and everything locks up
[04:01] <pirate> things like my system monitor freeze, my mouse won't move, my keyboard won't move, my computer's HDD activity light goes out
[04:01] <pirate> full on freeze
[04:02] <Daskreech> HDD light freezing might be bad
[04:02] <Daskreech> what kernel?
[04:03] <pirate> I don't know, whatever the default for Jaunty is, I assume
[04:03] <IntuitiveNipple> pirate: What's the wireless device (PCI ID [vendor:model] output from either lcpci -nn or lsusb depending on how it is connected) ?
[04:04] <pirate> no wireless
[04:07] <IntuitiveNipple> pirate: sorry... I got mint3's comment about wireless problem confused with your initial comment
[04:07] <IntuitiveNipple> pirate: What do the logs show (/var/log/kern.log /var/log/debug and others) ?
[04:07] <pirate> It seems that I kinda have to brute force my mp3 player... keep disconnecting the USB and reconnecting it until finally linux recognizes it... in windows it's pretty much instant every time
[04:08] <IntuitiveNipple> there are some USB 'mp3' devices that have problems
[04:08] <IntuitiveNipple> Do you have the 'freeze' problems when that device isn't connected?
[04:09] <moparisthebest> did an update kill wireless connections somehow?
[04:09] <moparisthebest> because in the beginning i could connect no problem, but after installing/removing some packages it no longer works
[04:09] <pirate> I'm trying to read these logs but it's hard for me to tell where teh crash happened
[04:10] <moparisthebest> I can scan and see all of the wireless networks, but connections always fail, and knetworkmanager doesn't even try
[04:11] <pirate> yes, IntuitiveNipple
[04:11] <IntuitiveNipple> pirate: the thing to look for is clean restart (all kernel times are 00000.0000] - the crash would be just before that
[04:12] <IntuitiveNipple> moparisthebest: there was an issue I saw talked about yesterday with knetwork plasmoid or whatever it's called failing authentication. The recommendation was to use the alternative, but I don't recall what that was
[04:13] <moparisthebest> IntuitiveNipple, its not just that, also wlassistant which is simply a frontend for the command line tools
[04:13] <pirate> I don't know if this is the important bits or not: http://pastebin.com/m4caa59b1
[04:13] <pirate> several minutes before the 0.00000 bits til when the 0.00000 bits stop
[04:13] <pirate> on the kernel log
[04:15] <pirate> the same timeframe for the debug log: http://pastebin.com/m606d537a
[04:15] <IntuitiveNipple> moparisthebest: the bug talked about yesterday is https://launchpad.net/bugs/338680
[04:16] <pirate> this particular crash happened after trying to get my mp3 player to connect, but it's locked up several time with my mp3 player on the complete other side of the room
[04:16] <moparisthebest> i don't have wpa, it's open, so it doesn't look like it applies to me, thanks though
[04:16] <IntuitiveNipple> pirate: no, that log extract isn't helpful unfortunately
[04:17] <IntuitiveNipple> moparisthebest: is it hidden?
[04:17] <moparisthebest> no, i can see it
[04:17] <pirate> what more of the logs would you need?
[04:17] <IntuitiveNipple> moparisthebest: three strikes then :)
[04:19] <IntuitiveNipple> pirate: It doesn't seem as if that instance of the freeze captured anything useful in kern.log. Now you know roughly what time it happened though (21:36:30) you can look at that time-point in other logs and see if any of them have recorded anything after that time and if so, whether it gives any clues.
[04:19] <IntuitiveNipple> moparisthebest: what wireless device and driver does the system use?
[04:20] <moparisthebest> wlan0 and iwlagn
[04:21] <moparisthebest> here is a log of the commands:
[04:21] <moparisthebest> http://rafb.net/p/fnUvqn39.html
[04:21] <billybigrigger_> can someone look at this ./configure output... http://pastebin.com/m65ab868d im trying to compile php-gtk and i've looked through a bunch of docs and www sites and have installed whatever packages i though i needed, ./configure is failing, and im not a compile guru, maybe someone could take a quick look at let me know if im missing something?
[04:23] <crdlb> looks like you're missing libtool or something
[04:23] <billybigrigger_> libtool is latest version
[04:23] <billybigrigger_> can't find any dev pkgs for libtool either
[04:23] <SuperSquirrel> Why cant the totem youtube plugin seek?
[04:24] <pirate> I went through all the logs and nothing interesting seemed to happen before or during the freeze
[04:24] <crdlb> SuperSquirrel: because the gstreamer plugin plugin for youtube's video container doesn't support seeking?
[04:24] <pirate> I don't think it's hardware because this computer works fine in Windows, no instability
[04:24] <SuperSquirrel> thats not true intrepids youtube plugn can seek
[04:24] <crdlb> SuperSquirrel: regression then :)
[04:25] <SuperSquirrel> aww i will just compile totem 2.24 than
[04:25] <crdlb> there seem to be some other weird problems with totem and esoteric video formats
[04:25] <crdlb> SuperSquirrel: no, you'll file a bug :)
[04:25] <SuperSquirrel> already did
[04:26] <SuperSquirrel> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/350028
[04:26] <SuperSquirrel> not the best bug report
[04:26] <IntuitiveNipple> moparisthebest: There might be clues of why the association failed in the logs
[04:27] <moparisthebest> like dmesg? or are there more?
[04:27] <IntuitiveNipple> moparisthebest: there's several in /var/log/  I think kern.log might have something, but also syslog and possibly daemon.log
[04:28] <IntuitiveNipple> pirate: can you pastebin the entire /var/log/dmesg ?
[04:28] <moparisthebest> from dmesg, looks like its connecting and then this happens:
[04:28] <moparisthebest> wlan0: disassociating by local choice (reason=3
[04:28] <moparisthebest> )
[04:28] <moparisthebest> last paren didn't paste
[04:29] <IntuitiveNipple> moparisthebest: I see that alot even for 'normal' connections so don't attach too much importance to it
[04:29] <billybigrigger_> crdlb, apparently there's a patch...http://www.opsat.net/temp/buildfix.diff  can you tell me how i apply this patch?
[04:30] <moparisthebest> well, there are some more updates, I guess I will apply them and see what happens
[04:30] <pirate> http://pastebin.com/m69b11851
[04:30] <crdlb> heh, php-gtk is unmaintained?
[04:31] <IntuitiveNipple> pirate: using a 32-bit installation, yes?
[04:32] <pirate> yes
[04:32] <billybigrigger_> crdlb, well #php-gtk has 18 users...a guy in there told me i needed to patch it, and pointed to the patch and havent heard from him since :P
[04:33] <billybigrigger_> crdlb, this is stupid, why would phoronix build a gtk app based on something that is dated?
[04:33] <billybigrigger_> crdlb, and as you said, unmaintained
[04:33] <crdlb> billybigrigger_: because he's not the sharpest tool in the shed :/
[04:34] <moparisthebest> ipv6 is compiled into the kernel now? so is there no way to disable it short of rolling my own kernel?
[04:34] <IntuitiveNipple> pirate: the only thing of note there is: ..MP-BIOS bug: 8254 timer not connected to IO-APIC
[04:34] <pirate> what does that mean?
[04:35] <IntuitiveNipple> pirate: The kernel has to find another way to attach to the timer, which it does, but that's the only thing I can see that is unusual, and the timer is pretty vital :)
[04:36] <pirate> how could I fix that?
[04:38] <crdlb> billybigrigger_: try: patch -p1 < buildfix.diff
[04:38] <IntuitiveNipple> pirate: according the bug report I can find, there should be a system BIOS option in BIOS setup screens to disable Hyperthreading. See https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/91279
[04:38] <crdlb> billybigrigger_: from within the toplevel source dir
[04:38] <billybigrigger_> crdlb, tried that
[04:38] <pirate> thanks, I'll look into it
[04:38] <billybigrigger_> crdlb, was giving me errors, but i just copy/pasted the buildfix.diff
[04:39] <crdlb> heh, ok
[04:39] <billybigrigger_> crdlb, i ran wget and downloaded the fix, it worked, ./buildconf ran fine, and ./configure ran fine
[04:39] <billybigrigger_> crdlb, wow, what a gong show
[04:40] <_VIM_2> I keep getting this error when trying to install guest tools in Vbox 2.1.4 with a Jaunty beta host and guest  http://www.flickr.com/photos/34974960@N08/3391663492/sizes/o/
[04:40] <crdlb> so is this whole test suite written in php?
[04:40] <billybigrigger_> crdlb, no
[04:41] <billybigrigger_> crdlb, hmm i might be wrong
[04:41] <billybigrigger_> crdlb, you've never heard of phoronix?
[04:41] <crdlb> I am painfully familiar with the website
[04:42] <billybigrigger_> how do i run a .php in cli?
[04:43] <billybigrigger_> the readme says after make install to run the demo... phpgtk2-demo.php
[04:43] <billybigrigger_> just $ php phpgtk2-demo.php
[04:44] <billybigrigger_> ahhh
[04:44] <billybigrigger_> got it working
[04:45] <billybigrigger_> might have to write up a howto
[04:45] <billybigrigger_> :P
[04:45] <_VIM_2> lol
[04:46] <billybigrigger_> that was retarded...if it wasn't for the guy in #php-gtk telling me there was a patch...i would have been lost
[04:47] <ethana2> How do I get my bluetooth headset to work as a headphone in Jaunty?
[04:47] <ethana2> I've got it paired with my laptop
[04:47] <ethana2> there's no 'use as audio device' button in the bluetooth thingy
[04:47] <IntuitiveNipple> ethana2: Select a different sound sink in the sound control
[04:47] <ethana2> IntuitiveNipple: how do I go about doing that
[04:48] <ethana2> ?
[04:48] <moparisthebest> alright, the updates didn't fix anything
[04:49] <ethana2> IntuitiveNipple: I don't know what you're talking about
[04:49] <ethana2> IntuitiveNipple: could you be more specific?
[04:49] <IntuitiveNipple> ethana2: There's pulseaudio sound control - usually has an icon in the notification are, but I can't seem to find the manual way to launch the control since I use a different one
[04:49] <ethana2> IntuitiveNipple: and this ships by default with Jaunty?
[04:49] <dtchen> either via padevchooser or pavucontrol
[04:50] <ethana2> ah.
[04:50] <dtchen> neither of which ship by default.
[04:50]  * ethana2 installs
[04:50] <IntuitiveNipple> dtchen: earlier, jaunty would show two 'speaker' icons in the notification area and one allowed to access the PA stuff... did it get removed or hidden?
[04:51] <ethana2> I've installed padevchooser and stuff
[04:51] <ethana2> what do I do now?
[04:51] <dtchen> IntuitiveNipple: the pa-specific GNOME volume control is not seeded by default, but it is available for installation
[04:51]  * crdlb would like to try that pulse volume applet
[04:51] <DanaG> I
[04:51] <DanaG> I prefer to use pavucontrol.  =P
[04:52] <IntuitiveNipple> dtchen: I wonder how I ended up with it - not something I went looking for, I first noticed it because of the two speaker icons
[04:52] <dtchen> (gnome-volume-control-pulse)
[04:52] <dtchen> padevchooser also has this crummy habit of stashing in the notification area
[04:52] <crdlb> dtchen: thanks, I looked but missed it somehow :)
[04:52] <IntuitiveNipple> why is that crummy?
[04:53] <crdlb> because that's not what the notification area is for
[04:53] <ethana2> at least it's not rhythmbox
[04:53] <ethana2> *cough*
[04:53] <dtchen> well, it doesn't exactly display a dialog upon launch
[04:53] <dtchen> it just disappears into the notification area
[04:53] <DanaG> Oh, and apparently the notification area is not for.... update..... notifications.  =P
[04:54] <ethana2> how do I launch gnome-volume-control-pulse?
[04:54] <DanaG> Instead, you get malware-esque behavior.
[04:54] <ethana2> I installed the package
[04:54] <ethana2> but it says command not found
[04:54] <ethana2> oh
[04:54] <ethana2> my headset just powered down
[04:54] <ethana2> that sounded cool
[04:54] <ethana2> but I was not expecting it.
[04:57] <ethana2> ...so now I'm confused
[04:58] <ethana2> I've got three different thingies installed now, and I don't know which one to use
[04:59] <ethana2> IntuitiveNipple: any thoughts?
[05:00] <IntuitiveNipple> dtchen's the expert on this stuff :p
[05:00] <ethana2> ah, dtchen?
[05:01] <ethana2> I have gnome-volume-control-pulse installed, how do I run it?
[05:01] <dtchen> just click the speaker icon in the notification area and choose Volume Control
[05:01] <dtchen> i strongly recommend you use pavucontrol, however
[05:01] <ethana2> ok, but what then?
[05:01] <crdlb> dpkg -L gnome-volume-control-pulse :)
[05:02] <ethana2> I don't see my bluetooth headset in there
[05:02] <crdlb> I can't believe it's not actually an applet :/
[05:02] <dtchen> well, bluetooth pairing is currently broken in pa
[05:02] <ethana2> ....oh.
[05:02] <ethana2> I though that was fixed in Jaunty
[05:02] <ethana2> hmm
[05:02] <dtchen> well, unless someone went and fixed it behind my back...
[05:03] <dtchen> (which would be great, but i kinda doubt it)
[05:03] <ethana2> heh
[05:03] <dtchen> bug 327284
[05:04] <dtchen> it's in my TODO
[05:08] <ethana2> thanks, dontzap!  I had to remove the battery from my laptop and pull the power
[05:08]  * ethana2 disables
[05:08] <crdlb> power button?
[05:10] <ethana2> I could have held it down for 8 seconds, yes
[05:10] <ethana2> meh
[05:10] <crdlb> that seems better than pulling out the battery, tbh
[05:10] <ethana2> hmm
[05:10] <ethana2> yeah, I guess
[05:10] <crdlb> also, magic sysrq?
[05:10] <ethana2> I don't memorize crap like that
[05:11]  * ethana2 restarts session to apply xorg changes
[05:11]  * crdlb has a feelin c-a-b wouldn't have worked anyway :)
[05:12] <crdlb> feeling*
[05:12] <ethana2> k, enabled
[05:12] <ethana2> oh, the mouse was responsive
[05:12] <ethana2> ...but none of the UI was.
[05:12] <crdlb> oh, then alt+sysrq+k is your friend
[05:12] <ethana2> like I said
[05:12] <ethana2> I don't memorize stuff like that
[05:12] <crdlb> and alt+sysrq+r may even allow you to vt switch and avoid killing X
[05:13] <crdlb> it's useful, so you should :)
[05:13] <ethana2> I suppose I /am/ on a beta release
[05:13] <ethana2> as usual, I blame nVidia
[05:16] <holyscott> does anyone have a link with anyinformation on what exactly the python problem was?
[05:17] <crdlb> bug 349467
[05:18] <holyscott> thank you
[05:18] <crdlb> basically python accidentally got compiled with the wrong unicode implementation (2 bytes per char instead of 4), and the two are not compatible
[05:19] <holyscott> would that be why python was using so much memory while trying to get updates lat night?
[05:20] <crdlb> the bad package didn't hit until early this morning, iirc
[05:20] <holyscott> how would i know if I have the new fix yet?
[05:20] <crdlb> it mainly just broke update-manager :)
[05:20] <crdlb> can you use update-manager?
[05:20] <crdlb> (or any other pygtk app)
[05:21] <holyscott> yeah, it was slow earlier, but I didn't know if it was just bogged down
[05:21] <holyscott> no error messages or I would have paniced
[05:21] <crdlb> it wouldn't have started at all
[05:21] <holyscott> can I ask one other question
[05:22] <holyscott> on a netbook, I have linux mint, is there an apt-get command that would take me into basically a kde 4.2.1 install?
[05:22] <holyscott> or am I better off doing a new clean install..
[05:22] <crdlb> no idea, but this isn't a mint channel
[05:23] <histo> You guys still having trouble with the repos?
[05:24] <histo> holyscott: is mint based of ubuntu?
[05:24] <crdlb> it is
[05:24] <histo> holyscott: then just install kubuntu-desktop
[05:24] <crdlb> actually, they might have switched back to debian
[05:24] <histo> This computer is really agravating me. Can't run xubuntu disk on it it kernel panics. but I can boot knoppix.
[05:25] <centaur5> I just downloaded the netbook remix beta and booted it in virtualbox but I don't see the categorized desktop theme screenshots show. Is it just not complete?
[05:28] <histo> WTF why are the repos all messed up for jaunty?
[05:30] <histo> This is so annoying.
[05:32] <histo> Three bad signature files in a row from the repo
[05:32] <histo> Corrupt packages
[05:32] <histo> I can't figure otu why this is happening from the mini.iso
[05:35] <thefuzzball> hello, i have an apple keyboard and after installing vmware workstation my modifier keys don't work, hence the lack of captials ;d
[05:37] <J-a-k-e> hey, is there anyone here who has a creative sound card specificity from the x-fi product line? I'm just wondering if sound quality is up to scratch compared to windows
[05:37] <thefuzzball> i edited /etc/vmware/config and enabled xkeymap.nokeycodeMap because the arrow keys weren't working in the vm, the arrow keys now work but i can't use my modifer keys at all...
[05:41] <picklesworth> Augh the "Unmounting Device" popup appears BENEATH the open window?!
[05:41] <picklesworth> What madness is that?
[05:42] <mtholdenss> how can i change the file permissions to access files in music, documents, downloads on my mac partition from ubuntu?
[05:46] <tonyyarusso> Uh, so I just did a fresh install of the beta, and then ran apt-get update && apt-get upgrade, and I'm getting the following:  [<kernel stamp numbers>] BUG: soft lockup - CPU#0 stuck for 61s! [updatedb.mocat:3907]  What do I do?
[05:46] <tonyyarusso> s/mocat/mlocat/
[05:47] <thefuzzball> Never Mind, running 'setxkbmap' fixes the problem, at least temporarily :D
[05:48] <IntuitiveNipple> tonyyarusso: search for an existing, or possibly file a new, bug report
[05:48] <thefuzzball> Does anyone know if fglrx is working in Jaunty?
[05:48] <sparr> mount: unknown filesystem type 'vfat'  <--  any easy fixes for this?
[05:49] <sparr> other than "modprobe vfat".  FATAL: Error inserting vfat (/lib/modules/2.6.28-9-generic/kernel/fs/fat/vfat.ko): Cannot allocate memory
[05:50] <dtchen> why 9 instead of 11?
[05:51] <sparr> because im a few days out of date
[05:51] <sparr> has this been fixed?
[05:52] <dtchen> i don't see anything in the changelog (autogenerated from git changesets) about it
[05:52] <billybigrigger_> anyone aware of a good gui temperature monitor that may or may not rely on lm-sensors?
[05:53] <tonyyarusso> billybigrigger_: I use computertemp, which is a gnome applet
[05:55] <billybigrigger_> tonyyarusso, does it make a menu entry somewhere?
[05:55] <billybigrigger_> tonyyarusso, or do i have to make one?
[05:55] <tonyyarusso> billybigrigger_: Why would it have a menu entry?
[05:55] <billybigrigger_> oh, its an applet
[05:55] <billybigrigger_> my bad :P didnt read
[05:57] <billybigrigger_> tonyyarusso, can you change the name of the temps?
[05:57] <tonyyarusso> billybigrigger_: They don't have names.
[05:58] <billybigrigger_> hwmon0
[05:58] <homerhomer> anyone tried fglrx 9.3 with with the Jaunty?
[05:59] <billybigrigger_> when i mouse over the applet, i see hwmon0 (1) hwmon (2) and (3) (4) which i think is my core temps from lm-sensors, then i see hwmon1 (1) (2) (3) which is motherboard and cpu temps
[05:59] <histo> homerhomer: can't even install it with my ati card in the box so
[05:59] <homerhomer> I'm having a s3/sleep issue with Intrepid and was hoping that maybe it's not happing with the Jaunty
[05:59] <homerhomer> oh damn
[05:59] <homerhomer> histo: your card too old?
[05:59] <histo> I think so
[05:59] <homerhomer> hmm
[06:00] <histo> It just kernel panics with my ati card in the box. Both intrepid and jaunty
[06:00] <homerhomer> ouch
[06:00] <histo> I'm installing debian now to see if they don't have the issues with the intel onboard video that ubuntu does
 I installed jaunty to usb stick. updated via update mgr, rebooted, now I'm at some initramfs prompt. what do I do now?
[06:01] <homerhomer> histo: how far during the boot do you get with your ATI card?
[06:01] <histo> No where its a command line system So I can't even catch where it starts throwing a kernel panic. But keep in mind this is a REALLY old ATI card
[06:01] <homerhomer> hmm
[06:01] <histo> ati rage XL 64mb or vram
[06:02] <histo> You prolly won't have the issues i am.
[06:02] <homerhomer> yeah, no I don't
[06:02] <jamiejackson> update mgr showed some prob with status /initrd.img or something like that if it matters
[06:02] <histo> All i'm trying to do is get sdlmame running with half way decent performance.
[06:03] <histo> ITs horrible with the intel card. So i'm trying a different distro now.
[06:03] <ziroday> jamiejackson: can you boot into an older kernel?
[06:05] <jamiejackson> ircing from phone since systems hoses
[06:06] <jamiejackson> what is this initramfs prompt, anyway?
[06:09] <homerhomer> histo: if your really interested in finding out that Kernel panic you can redirect error message out of a serial port at grub
[06:09] <IntuitiveNipple> jamiejackson: When the system boots the first thing that happens is that the boot-loader (GRUB) find and loads the kernel image from /boot/. It also loads an initial-RAM-disk image (initrd) that contains scripts, additional modules, and essential services to get drivers loaded and the system configured. After it is done it starts /sbin/init which finishes off the boot process.
[06:10] <homerhomer> histo:  this website explains how to do it, http://geco.phys.columbia.edu/~jrollins/howtos/serial_console.html
[06:10] <IntuitiveNipple> jamiejackson: If something goes wrong during the initrd phase and the script stops/fails, you'll be 'dropped' to a minimal shell environment provided by 'busybox'
[06:10] <homerhomer> histo: you basically add "console=tty0 console=ttyS0,115200n8 " to the grub boot menu
[06:11] <tonyyarusso> where did the epiphany-webkit packages go?
[06:11] <homerhomer> and then when it panics you can catch it with another computer threw the serial port
[06:11] <IntuitiveNipple> homerhomer: he could also use netconsole (provided the network device module is in the initrd)
[06:12] <homerhomer> IntuitiveNipple: yeah, that works too if it doesn't kpanic to before that
[06:14] <jamiejackson> thx for expl nipple. now how might I recover?
[06:14] <jamiejackson> I see no /boot dir from this prompt, don't know if I'm supposed to
[06:17] <jamiejackson> I should be able to update a usb stick install correct?
[06:19] <IntuitiveNipple> jamiejackson: no, you're 'inside' the ram-disk image
[06:20] <jamiejackson> oh, bah. SOL?
[06:20] <IntuitiveNipple> jamiejackson: you reported that whilst upgrading there was a report that the initrd image had a problem... without knowing what that was it is hard to know how to proceed. It could be something easy like no space left on the /boot/ device for the image
[06:21] <IntuitiveNipple> jamiejackson: you 'should' be able to mount the real root file-system from the initrd and explore it using 'ls' and other tools to check the basics
[06:22] <IntuitiveNipple> jamiejackson: Give me a moment... I'll do a PXE netboot here on one of the notebooks and break at the initrd stage, that way I may be able to test and suggest some commands to help you diagnose the issue.
[06:22] <IntuitiveNipple> jamiejackson: But, I suspect your best bet(if you have one) is to boot the system using a live-CD since then you can use IRC to pastebin information
[06:23] <jamiejackson> ahh okay. bbiab then
[06:23] <IntuitiveNipple> hang on for a moment... let me try the initrd here
[06:24] <jamiejackson> k
[06:25] <IntuitiveNipple> right, first thing, lets check what kernel command-line was. Look at it for the "initrd=..." setting so we know what it has loaded
[06:25] <IntuitiveNipple> do: cat /proc/cmdline
[06:28] <IntuitiveNipple> jamiejackson: Then, check to see if udev managed to start populating devices. look for the /dev/sd* entries. do: ls /dev/sd*
[06:29] <IntuitiveNipple> jamiejackson: If the /dev/sd* nodes have been created you should be able to mount the real root file-system (if you know which partition it is in)
[06:31] <jamiejackson> k so cat=(this is gonna take a while)
[06:31] <IntuitiveNipple> just report the filename of the initrd=... bit
[06:32] <IntuitiveNipple> it'll be something like /boot/initrd.img-<version-number>
[06:32] <IntuitiveNipple> all we need is the version number, assuming the initrd= entry is there?
[06:32] <jamiejackson>  @/casper/initrd.gz
[06:32] <IntuitiveNipple> It's a live-CD image ?
[06:33] <IntuitiveNipple> I thought, when you said you'd installed it to a USB stick, you'd installed the OS. That mention of casper indicates a bootable live-CD image
[06:33] <jamiejackson> my intent was to have ubuntu ona usb stick. I used ubuntus feature to do that...
[06:34] <IntuitiveNipple> The System > Administration > USB Startup Disk Creator ?
[06:34] <jamiejackson> and when it booted I chose the live cd option then updated.
[06:34] <jamiejackson> yes
[06:34] <jamiejackson> wrong approach?
[06:35] <IntuitiveNipple> Hmmm... to be frank, I've never tried updating a live-CD image and I don't *think* it would work since the actual live system is inside a highly compressed read-only squashfs file-system image.
[06:36] <IntuitiveNipple> However, the good news might be that the update you did would only have applied to the live-CD instance in RAM and shouldn't have written anything to the USB image itself, unless you had something strangely configured
[06:36] <cwillu_clone> hardlock during updates, and now the only 2.6.28 series kernel complains of 'invalid or unsupported executable format'
[06:36]  * cwillu_clone cheers :)
[06:36] <IntuitiveNipple> therefore in *theory* the failed boot may not be related to the updates :) ... not that this helps figure out why it failed!
[06:36] <jamiejackson> no strange config. just persistence, fwiw
[06:37] <IntuitiveNipple> cwillu_clone: x86_64 on x86 maybe?
[06:37] <jamiejackson> is there a better/more updatable appproach to ubuntu on a stick?
[06:37] <IntuitiveNipple> jamiejackson: OK, the only thing I can think is the USB stick's /casper/ directory files have somehow been corrupted during your last session
[06:38] <cwillu_clone> IntuitiveNipple, nope
[06:38] <IntuitiveNipple> jamiejackson: You could install to the stick in the same way as you would to a hard disk... it needs some care at the installing GRUB boot-loader stage to ensure GRUB writes to the USB device not the system's hard disk, but it would give you effectively a hard-disk installation on the stick
[06:38] <IntuitiveNipple> cwillu_clone: at what point does that error occur?
[06:39] <cwillu_clone> IntuitiveNipple, the moment I hit enter in grub
[06:39] <IntuitiveNipple> cwillu_clone: ouch!
[06:39] <danbeck> Sound is broken for netbook remix.  Is there any info anywhere that describes a fix?
[06:39] <jamiejackson> any cons aside from setup care?
[06:40] <jamiejackson> care during setup that is
[06:40] <IntuitiveNipple> cwillu_clone: Does that system have more than one hard-disk or boot device?
[06:40] <cwillu_clone> IntuitiveNipple, several drives, only one bootable, and it's booting the right one afaict
[06:40] <IntuitiveNipple> jamiejackson: The only thing missing would be the availability of the ubiquity installer on the desktop.
[06:41] <IntuitiveNipple> cwillu_clone: that error usually occurs when the grub meny root (hd0,0) etc are wrong
[06:41] <danbeck> Also, update manager shows about 149mb of updates available.  Seems high for a version that was just rolled today.  Is that right?
[06:41] <dtchen> danbeck: yes, and they're all necessary.
[06:41] <IntuitiveNipple> cwillu_clone: which can be affected by a change in BIOS boot-order settings
[06:41] <danbeck> Thanks dtchen
[06:41] <cwillu_clone> IntuitiveNipple, nah, hardware hasn't changed in this machine in 8 months
[06:41] <dtchen> danbeck: i.e., please don't ask about sound issues until after rebooting into -11.38 :)
[06:42] <jamiejackson> ok ill just redo it.
[06:42] <IntuitiveNipple> cwillu_clone: focus on the root entries in grub
[06:42] <cwillu_clone> IntuitiveNipple, it's probably an ext4 related screwup, although I don't like how it broke the previously bootable kernel
[06:42] <cwillu_clone> IntuitiveNipple, they're not the problem, trust me
[06:42] <danbeck> 11.38?  I'm sorry, what is that?
[06:42] <IntuitiveNipple> cwillu_clone: you've got /boot/ on an ext4 ?
[06:42] <dtchen> danbeck: linux-image-2.6.28-11-generic
[06:42] <danbeck> ah, ok, thanks.
[06:43] <cwillu_clone> IntuitiveNipple, /boot is on /, it's not a seperate partition, and yes, I'm figuring that grub didn't actually get updated when I reinstalled grub
[06:43] <danbeck> dtchen, I see it in the list, thank you.
[06:43] <jamiejackson> usb stick should have no swap partition, right?
[06:44] <IntuitiveNipple> jamiejackson: probably not, no :)
[06:45] <jamiejackson> okay. ill set up a fat32 and a ext2 and install in the latter.
[07:01] <ethana2> where does jaunty store its screensaver executables?
[07:02] <ethana2> It seems this driver has redirected OpenGL, I want to use a 3d screensaver as a desktop background
[07:02] <ethana2> but I forgot where they are
[07:03] <crdlb> /usr/lib/xscreensaver/
[07:03] <ethana2> crdlb: thank you very much
[07:03] <holyscott> is there an easy way to make the grub have a background image like some distros do?
[07:08] <ethana2> I tried to tell nautilus not to draw my desktop
[07:08] <ethana2> it sent something into a race condition and I had to kill X
[07:08] <ethana2> it's like X doesn't know what on earth to do without nautilus drawing the desktop
[07:08] <ethana2> crdlb: would you know how I can make it not do that?
[07:09] <ethana2> if I unset that key, instant race condition
[07:10] <crdlb> I would have to know why that's happening first :)
[07:10] <ethana2> hmm
[07:10] <ethana2> probably an anti-crash mechanism
[07:10] <ethana2> so if nautilus goes down, it restarts it quickly
[07:10] <ethana2> but it keeps checking that key, and it says not to
[07:11] <ethana2> but it has to, but it can't, cause the key says not to
[07:11] <ethana2> that's my bet
[07:11] <crdlb> except nautilus shouldn't crash in that case but cleanly exit
[07:12] <crdlb> and I'm pretty sure gnome-session won't keep respawning a process forever
[07:12] <ethana2> maybe it doesn't check for crashes
[07:12] <ethana2> maybe it says--  'is nautilus running'?
[07:12] <ethana2> no?, must have crashed
[07:13] <ethana2> AHA
[07:13] <crdlb> keep a nautilus window open to test
[07:13] <ethana2> If I have another nauti--
[07:13] <ethana2> yes I did
[07:13] <ethana2> and it doesn't race.
[07:13] <noren> hi everyone
[07:13] <ethana2> crdlb: so I've got a bug
[07:13] <crdlb> actually, since nautilus handles some important things now (volume mounting), it should stay running even if it's not drawing the desktop
[07:14] <crdlb> heh, same happens here
[07:15] <crdlb> come on people, add sanity checks!
[07:15] <ethana2> sure glad I disabled dontzap
[07:15] <ethana2> I've used it like 20 times already today
[07:15]  * ethana2 hugs C-A-B
[07:15] <crdlb> same happens here
[07:15] <crdlb> although I can easily enable it
[07:16] <crdlb> my taskbar just starts filling up with 'starting file manager'
[07:16] <ethana2> some other guy had a similar problem, if I recall
[07:18] <crdlb> I wonder if it's caused by that huge "fix session saving" patch
[07:19] <SimonKitching> Hi. I'm trying to run the suspend/resume test script. Resume is working fine on this machine, but it isn't auto-waking after the script suspends it. It stays suspended until I trigger resume manually. Any suggestions?
[07:20] <ethana2> whoa, the screensavers are all .xml files now instead of executables
[07:20] <ethana2> how do I run one in the root window?
[07:21] <crdlb> the executables are in /usr/lib/xscreensaver/
[07:21] <IntuitiveNipple> SimonKitching: does the PC support an RTC alarm?
[07:22] <ethana2> crdlb: but they're .xml files, not executables
[07:22] <ethana2> unless .xml files can be executable..
[07:22]  * ethana2 checks
[07:22] <crdlb> ethana2: not in that directory
[07:22] <ethana2> ohhhhh
[07:22] <ethana2> whoops.
[07:22] <ethana2> sorry about that, thank you
[07:22] <ethana2> aha, excellent.
[07:23] <SimonKitching> IntuitiveNipple: seems so. dmesg reports "[    2.977600] rtc0: alarms up to one month, y3k, 114 bytes nvram, hpet irqs"
[07:24] <IntuitiveNipple> SimonKitching:  I'm not too sure... the things I'd be checking is that wake is enabled on the device
[07:24] <SimonKitching> You mean in bios settings?
[07:27] <SandGorgon> does nVidia work in jaunty with all desktop effects?
[07:27] <ethana2> I have nVidia
[07:27] <ethana2> can't get a 3d screensaver to work as my desktop background in compiz
[07:27] <ethana2> but gnome-do docky works fine otherwise
[07:27] <SandGorgon> ethana2: what about the other effects like the cube, etc... actually I'm more worried about playing Warcraft!
[07:28] <ethana2> I don't use cube
[07:28] <ethana2> ..nor have I ever played Warcraft
[07:28] <ethana2> Google earth and glxgears work in combination with the shift switcher and stuff
[07:28] <ethana2> I was impressed
[07:28] <SandGorgon> oh... ok... thanks
[07:28] <IntuitiveNipple> SimonKitching: No, in linux. Use this scriptlet to discover the devices that can do wakeup and their state:
[07:29] <IntuitiveNipple> OLDIFS=$IFS; IFS=$'\n'; find /sys -name wakeup | while read node; do STATUS=$(cat $node); [ ! -z "$STATUS" ] && echo "$node $STATUS"; done; IFS=$OLDIFS
[07:30]  * ethana2 gives up on his crazy flurry desktop background dream
[07:30] <ethana2> for the time being
[07:42] <SimonKitching> IntuitiveNipple: ok, that script reports a number of devices disabled, including "/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:01.0/power/wakeup disabled". Using lspci that is reported as "PCI Bridge Intel 945GM... Root Port" which seems reasonably important. About 50% of devices are reported "disabled", and 50% reported "enabled". Do I need to "enable" them, or does this just mean auto-wake is not possible on this machine?
[07:46] <CosmiChaos> I accidentially run "sudo firefox", now my bookmarks are lost, my back/forward buttons do not wrk, every startup the plugin websites are loaded (first start), and nothing i can import or setup. everythings crappy, any ideas what did  go wrng r how to fix?
[07:49] <bluefoxx> So i've broken jaunty
[07:49] <bluefoxx> as in, it won't boot
[07:49] <bluefoxx> hangs on IPMI
[07:49] <bluefoxx> any way to disable it?
[07:49] <bluefoxx> so it will boot?
[07:56] <Doctor_Nick> failure
[07:58] <o0Chris0o> o.0
[08:00] <armedking> Hello guys i am getting an error wile playing mp3's. it plays but somewhere along the way i get the message "An error occured Disconnected: Connection Terminated" anyone know this problem?
[08:05] <jscinoz> so
[08:06] <jscinoz> i think the version of brasero in jaunty is broken, when i try to burn a dvd it says it cannot burn with the current set of plugins, no idea why though
[08:09] <simion314> hi, what sound system is used in kubuntu 9.04? any ideea how to restart it? it crashes on me and i want to restart it without rebooting
[08:10] <SimonKitching> CosmiChaos: maybe some critical files in your home dir are now owned by root, and so cannot be read by your ordinary user? I would have a look in ~/.mozilla or ~/.gnome2 for root-owned files. The "find" command may be useful here (man find).
[08:13] <CosmiChaos> SimonKitching: thanks chown me:me .mozilla -R did it
[08:20] <chris062689> I could really use your guys help.
[08:21] <chris062689> I recently updated; and for some reason my keyboard language apparently switched.
[08:21] <chris062689> So I can't even login anymore, it's appearing in Islamic characters, so it won't recognize my username / password.
[08:21] <chris062689> I'm on a Jaunty Live CD right now, the beta, is there any way to manually go in and change the default keyboard layout?
[08:26] <simion314> chris062689: if you go in tty1 using ctrl+alt+f1 or recovery mode do you have the same strange layout?
[08:26] <chris062689> I went into tty1 and I didn't have the same character layout, they were weird arrows and stuff
[08:26] <chris062689> It may just be because the lack of islamic character in the console *shrugS*
[08:27] <chris062689> Isn't there a file I can just manually edit simion314?
[08:28] <simion314> chris062689: i have no ideea , you can create an other user and try login with it
[08:28] <simion314> try the command adduser
[08:28] <simion314> as root
[08:28] <chris062689> but if I'm typing in islamic characters, I couldn't even do that.
[08:28] <simion314> but firts google this maybe is a fix
[08:29] <chris062689> I've tried googling
[08:29] <chris062689> All they say is how to do it from the command line
[08:29] <chris062689> Which wouldn't help me because I'm using a LiveCD right now.
[08:29] <simion314> so in console is the same layout
[08:29] <chris062689> yes.
[08:30] <o0Chris0o> wprse comes to worse...get a translator or go to a website? I'm not sure
[08:30] <o0Chris0o> thats odd
[08:31] <chris062689> Fine, figured I could get my question answered quicker there.
[08:31] <chris062689> I'll reside here I suppose.
[08:39] <chris062689> im still having the problem
[08:39] <chris062689> I booted into recovery mode, and can't use the console, it's like I'm not even typing on it
[08:43] <chris062689> Anyone got a solution, please? :_;
[08:45] <o0Chris0o> chris062689: how are you on IRC?
[08:45] <chris062689> Through a LiveCD
[08:47] <chris062689> Meh
[08:47] <chris062689> I'm going to try something
[08:47] <o0Chris0o> ..
[09:21] <EruditeHermit> hi, does anyone know how to set per application volumes in jaunty?
[09:43] <Eruaran> I have a minor question
[09:43] <Eruaran> I currently have 15 blocked updates in KPackageKit
[09:44] <Eruaran> I'm a little unclear on why they are blocked, potential breakage or something like that ?
[09:52] <Aison> hello :) just tested jaunty yesterday. possible that it's not possible to install kubuntu-desktop there? ;)
[09:53] <Aison> I guess there are some missing packages
[09:55] <Aison> ahhh, now it works
[10:10] <ubuntuuser_> I have problem with Ubuntu 9.04 startup on my Fujitsu-Siemens AMILO Xi 2428 notebook. It takes 40 seconds from 'Starting up ...' line to gdm login window appear. After login and password enter it takes 30 seconds to load gnome. Is it OK?
[10:11] <Ace|Work> ubuntuuser_: my fujitsu amilo 2548 doesent take nearly as long, maybe some driver issue ?
[10:11] <sky_1> hi i want ask which theme will be on Jaunty ?
[10:12] <Amaranth> ubuntuuser_: Login time is about right
[10:12] <Amaranth> ubuntuuser_: boot time I've seen reports of being anywhere from 15 seconds to 40 seconds depending on hardware so that seems alright too
[10:13] <cserin> hi guys - I have the kubuntu live iso - I want to modify this iso to remove a few unnecessary software to use on my system - and create a custom ISO. How can I do this?
[10:13] <ubuntuuser_> Ace|Work, Amaranth, thank you for help!
[10:14] <bazhang> !remaster | cserin
[10:20] <Eruaran> After latest updates my Kubuntu Jaunty startup is very fast :D
[10:41] <rconan> dan457: newest X updates fix the key repeat problem btw
[11:10] <Aison> hello
[11:11] <Aison> just installed jaunty hoping that mysql server 5.1 is compiled with -fPIC
[11:11] <Aison> but still no luck
[11:11] <Aison> it's impossible to use embedded mysql on ubuntu without having an -fPIC compiled libmysqld.a
[11:13] <Aison> of course that counts just for shared objects
[11:25] <RizR> flash plugin on firefox isn't enabled even though i've flashplugin-nonfree installed. how to enable it?
[11:25] <RizR> about:plugins doesnt show me flash there
[11:26] <rconan> RizR: 32 or 64 bit?
[11:26] <RizR> rconan, 32
[11:27] <RizR> rconan, version 10.x is installed and i get error that i need version 9 or newer.
[11:27] <jemark> RizR: hardy?
[11:27] <RizR> jemark, jaunty :-)
[11:28] <rconan> presumably jaunty
[11:28] <RizR> jemark, hence i'm in ubuntu+1 :-)
[11:28] <rconan> ls /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree
[11:28] <jemark> RizR: :)
[11:28] <RizR> rconan, nothing there
[11:28] <jemark> RizR: silly of me
[11:29] <RizR> rconan, reinstall it you reckon?
[11:29] <rconan> sudo updatedb
[11:29] <rconan> then do "locate libflashplayer.so"
[11:30] <jemark> RizR: or install:  ubuntu-restricted-extras
[11:30] <rconan> he said he'd installed flashplugin-nonfree
[11:30] <rconan> ubuntu-restricted-extras has loads of other stuff too
[11:31] <jemark> RizR: yep,it has other stuff too
[11:32] <RizR> 2 secs guys :-)
[11:33] <RizR> rconan, reinstalling (purge +install) the package created the file.
[11:33] <RizR> jemark, i've already got restricted extras installed
[11:33] <rconan> RizR: cool
[11:40] <Bonez56> which audio system is in use by default with jaunty? alsa, pulse audio, oss etc? or how do I tell which one my system is using? I currently have no Volume Control applet in my notification area and all attempts at adding one have failed. When I click ADD nothing happens
[11:44] <Bonez56> anyone?
[12:07] <m_tadeu> hi all
[12:07] <m_tadeu> I hava no sound on youtube movies
[12:10] <rconan> I hate to put a downer on this but isn't having nouveau drivers in the main repo gonna cause loads of people lots of problems?
[12:18] <Amaranth> rconan: How so?
[12:19] <Amaranth> rconan: You have to explicitly install them
[12:21] <BluesKaj> hiyas
[12:21] <raymears> hey people. i just installed jaunty beta and was wondering whether nepomuk and strigi were supposed to work or not. if they do work... how the heck do i use them? i can't find any frontends to any of them
[12:24] <raymears> oops. forgot to mention i was talking about Kubuntu...
[12:30] <rconan> Amaranth: some people will assume they "just work" like the rest of ubuntu
[12:31] <rconan> and there will be floods of people complaining that they don't
[12:31] <Amaranth> rconan: they'll quickly learn otherwise
[12:31] <rconan> at least they're not in the drivers manager
[12:31] <Amaranth> although they do at least work better than the nv driver for most people
[12:32] <rconan> hmm nv booted for me nouveau just goes black on all screens
[12:32] <rconan> probably my xorg.conf setup
[12:32] <rconan> I should try again at some point from a blank one
[12:40] <MamboKurt> hi there. since ati drops support for R300-R500 gfx chips i was wondering if mine would still be supported. i have an rs690m. is this one based on a r600 chip and hence still supported or is this a strange naming strategy and my chip is actually based on an older chip? i didnt find any info on this in the web. anybody here with an answere or any idea where to ask this question?
[12:40] <Alexia_Death> anibody actively working on making the experience of running more than one X session better?
[12:40] <crischan> hi, i am running a 9.04 system (fresh install). there are four virtual desktops (compiz running) and I see that there is a way to switch desktops using the mouse/touchpad. but i don't understand how it works... does someone know?
[12:49] <rom_> hi,
[12:49] <rom_> I have a lot of ext4-fs errors in my jaunty alpha/beta : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/350268
[12:50] <rom_> could you give me a command to test if it's not a hardware problem (my hdd is very young, about 1 month)
[12:52] <bsnider> rom_, where are the error reports coming from?
[12:52] <rudlavibizon> are ntfs partitions mounted 'statically' in kubuntu 9.04 ?
[12:53] <rom_>  I had some of them in tty1
[12:53] <rom_> and I they are written in /var/log/syslog
[12:53] <rudlavibizon> meaning are they going to be in /media place when I reboot
[12:53] <rom_> arf, I have a new "file system check failed"
[12:53] <rom_> /dev/sda6 : UNEXPECTED INCONSISTENCY; RUN fsck MANUALLY
[12:54] <bsnider> i'd say you've got a bad driver, sir. i have no errors here.
[12:54] <bsnider> sorry, a bad drive, not driver
[12:54] <rom_> sometimes the computer don't shutdown, and I press "power" for 5 seconds
[12:54] <rom_> can it corrupt the fs?
[12:54] <bsnider> probably not
[12:55] <rom_> ok
[12:55] <rom_> the md5-issue I got yesterday (in my bug report) is very strange, what do you think about that?
[12:55] <bsnider> you might want to try reinstalling though
[12:55] <rom_> I reinstalled 3 times
[12:55] <rom_> with formating
[12:56] <bsnider> ok, hard drives are cheap (hint, hint)
[12:56] <rom_> is there a command to test a hard drive
[12:56] <rom_> (low level check?)
[12:56] <TheInfinity> rom_: badblocks
[12:57] <rom_> I just launch "badblocks /dev/sda6" ?
[12:57] <TheInfinity> rom_: you can just check the whole disc
[12:57] <TheInfinity> and it deletes everything
[12:57] <rom_> so I just launch "badblocks"
[12:57] <bsnider> /dev/sda
[12:57] <TheInfinity> (or you use -n for non destructive mode, but then you need LOTS of time ;) )
[12:58] <TheInfinity> so backup everything :)
[12:58] <bsnider> if you've reinstalled 3 times and the same problems appear, i'd say you've done all the testing i'd tolerate.
[12:59] <TheInfinity> and 1 TB HDD takes several days, so use a computer which can run several days ;)
[12:59] <rom_> is badblocks verbose?
[12:59] <rom_> I launched "badblocks /dev/sda" it writes nothing
[12:59] <TheInfinity> rom_: it just writes something if an error is found
[12:59] <TheInfinity> -> man badblocks for more options
[12:59] <rom_> ok
[13:00] <rom_> I can't Ctrl+C it
[13:00] <BluesKaj> hiyas
[13:00] <TheInfinity> you can but it takes some time
[13:00] <TheInfinity> and you should run it from ubuntu live disc
[13:00] <TheInfinity> otherwise you will get problems ;)
[13:05] <rom_> ok, just launched it
[13:05] <rom_> how long does it take?
[13:19] <ppq> rom_, you should'nt run badblocks by yourself.. better use e2fsck -c
[13:21] <ppq> but umount the partition before you do it
[13:23] <Roey> I want to move my /boot to /
[13:23] <Roey> how do I do this?
[13:23] <Roey> (they're on separate partitions formattted with ext3)
[13:23] <Roey> I ran out of space on /boot (only 100MB) so I want to start using / as /boot
[13:28] <aurel42> Can someone give me a hint about the encryption 9.04 supports out of the box? (I read something about homedir encryption, unless it's worth trying that out, I'd go with the usual "cryptsetup" stuff).
[13:30] <BluesKaj> !medibuntu
[13:30] <qedx_> anyone use synergy with 9.04? i can't get the mouse pointer to move on the client.
[13:32] <tvih-> aww, i see jaunty still has old blender version :/
[13:34] <rom_> when I "sudo e2fsck -c /dev/sda" from a liveusb
[13:34] <rom_> where /dev/sda is not mounted, it says that the device or resource is besy
[13:34] <rom_> ah, /dev/sda6 works better :)
[13:34] <Bonez56> hi, after running and apt-get upgrade and rebooting I seem to have lost sound on my PC... is this a known bug? I use a Creative Audigy (all modules are loaded ca0106) but all I get are PC speaker beeps and nothing else
[14:01] <aurel42> 2nd time in a row that Jaunty completely FROZE my notebook while a package manager was working.
[14:05] <aoupi> hi I just decided to try 9.04 (upgrading from 8.10) everything looked good and I rebooted and got to the gdm window, I was going to enter password and noticed one press gave me many letters, I tried to click my guesst account but it didn't really register, but after holding tab and clicking on it a few times it finaly logged in. Now when I pressed anything on the keyboard it entered multiple characters just like before, hitting a gave stuff like aa{wei
[14:05] <aoupi> now I've rebooted into a 8.10 cd, I'll mount my / and see if the logs contain anything interesting
[14:05] <vbgunz> I have 120 software updates. has anything crazy like the python outage happened since yesterday?
[14:06] <vbgunz> the python outage was one of creepiest moments in my jaunty experience :/
[14:07] <Halow> vbgunz: I updated just fine.
[14:08] <penguin42> anyone else hearing occasional POP sounds since the upgrade to beta?
[14:09] <Halow> penguin42: My pops and crackles have lessened since Intrepid. :)
[14:09] <penguin42> The Alpha didn't have this - but it seems to have just gained it today
[14:09] <vbgunz> penguin42: you use Ubuntu, Kubuntu or something else?
[14:10] <penguin42> ubuntu
[14:10] <aoupi> couldn't find anything interesting in Xorg.0.log I'll try to disconnect the USB keyboard and reboot
[14:10] <aoupi> anything else I could try at the same time?
[14:10] <vbgunz> penguin42: just curious
[14:12] <aoupi> oh also, is there some way to get an on-screen keyboard?
[14:12] <penguin42> aoupi: My menus seem to have a thing called kvkbd under universal access - I'm guessing that's from some KDE packages I have
[14:13] <aoupi> ah, didn't have that myself
[14:15]  * penguin42 had expected it would be busier in here today with the recent beta
[14:18] <aurel42> penguin42: I guess most of the people that tried it are struggling to get their computers working again. ;)
[14:18] <penguin42> hehe, jaunty hasn't been too bad for me - a couple of annoying bugs - and I've had some problems with X stability
[14:20] <aurel42> for me, it's been the worst linux distro release for 10+ yrs, I'm considering reverting my desktops to Debian.
[14:20] <penguin42> aurel42: What's it doing to you?
[14:20] <aurel42> well, it's not a release yet, but I've seen so many issues it's hard to believe they could be fixed within a month.
[14:21] <penguin42> some I had a week or two have got fixes upstream now; whether they'll make it into the release I'm not sure
[14:21] <penguin42> aurel42: Any particularly annoying ones?
[14:22] <aurel42> penguin42: a lot of minor glitches that I could work around, several hard freezes, audio problems, the alternate installer failed to install the base system, etc.
[14:22] <vbgunz> aurel42: not to annoy you or add nothing to the conversation. I've been on Jaunty exlusively for about 4 months as I built this computer and only Jaunty would work *but* other than the python outage its been pretty great. whats up, how bad is it for you?
[14:23] <penguin42> my current 3 annoying ones are; X crashes ~ every couple of days, a POP on pulse audio, and a weirdo Gnumeric bug that there is a work around for
[14:24] <aurel42> only on the notebook: the open source nv driver doesn't work, I can either use safe mode or the restricted driver.
[14:24] <vbgunz> you know  I sort of dealt with the sound issues ever since the earliest releases of Ubuntu. its the one thing I never expected to work flawlessly. probably because I am not to into media but for me it is completely expected :(
[14:25] <aurel42> and finally, ssh-agent dies after a couple of hours of use. I wasn't aware, one could break *that*. ;)
[14:25] <penguin42> aurel42: Oh that is weird
[14:25] <aurel42> penguin42: reproducible on two boxes, after upgrading from 8.10
[14:26] <penguin42> aurel42: Does the demon die or just stop allowing remote logins?
[14:27] <aurel42> penguin42: ssh-agent goes "[defunct]"
[14:27] <penguin42> hmm that's a shame
[14:27] <aurel42> penguin42: not sshd, but ssh-agent, that's the key agent that is started per session.
[14:28] <penguin42> yeh
[14:28] <penguin42> anything in /var/log/messages?
[14:30] <aurel42> Nope, nothing interesting.
[14:30] <aurel42> Oh, one other weird bug... during my last installation, /dev/null was created mode 600 :D
[14:30] <aurel42> easy to fix, but for a beginner, this would definitely be a showstopper.
[14:31] <penguin42> aurel42: Haha that's weird
[14:31] <aurel42> I cannot even begin to imagine what could've triggered that bug!
[14:32] <bsnider> so no one but root can write to /dev/null?
[14:32] <aurel42> vbgunz: about the sound issues, I kinda got used to having to restart pulseaudio manually once in a while.
[14:33] <bsnider> that defeats the purpose of /dev/null
[14:33] <vbgunz> aurel42: how do you do it? /etc/init.d/pulseaudio restart OR pulseaudio -D?
[14:33] <aurel42> bsnider: exactly, it was fine in three of the four installation attempts I did from CD.
[14:33] <penguin42> aurel42: Nasty
[14:34] <aurel42> vbgunz: my pulseaudio is running per user session, so killall -TERM pulseaudio; pulseaudio -d (or -D, don't remmeber, used the bash history *g)
[14:34] <BluesKaj> trying to configure my HP Deskjet Printer , but I get the message about "orphaned control module" and "third party modules lying around".. I 've forgotten the cli fix command .
[14:34] <vbgunz> im curious because I haven't done it in a while. I believe one of the things that helped me with my pulseaudio issues was sudo apt-get install pulseaudio*
[14:35] <vbgunz> that installed a flood of pulseaudio packages but remember having very few problems with it ever since though if it goes down on me, I sort of expect it :(
[14:35] <aurel42> ;)
[14:35] <aurel42> Does pulseaudio give you more than one channel (master) to set the volume for?
[14:36] <vbgunz> aurel42: no, I believe just one master
[14:36] <aurel42> When I want to adjust the channels the audio card offers (PCM etc.), I need to kill pulseaudio.
[14:36] <aurel42> ...and use alsamixer
[14:37] <aurel42> I bet that's a reason for a lot of audio problems, when PCM is muted and there's no simple way to unmute it for a mouse user.
[14:38] <aurel42> But that's not a Jaunty problem, so probably off-topic. :D
[14:38] <vbgunz> I haven't played with pulseaudio in about 2 months I'd say. I think the devs been pretty good on keeping it running.
[14:38] <vbgunz> heh, I cannot imagine the day, audio just works . I mean several audio apps at once across several different users
[14:39] <jdahl> I am not able to connect to wireless router from KDE4.2 in Ubuntu 9.04 beta. From searching on google, this looks like a common problem - is that correct?
[14:40] <vbgunz> jdahl: heh, everytime I had a problem with my router in the last 2 or so years every single time it had to do with mac filtering on my router... I am such an anus with that :/
[14:41] <vbgunz> I didn't even know mac filtering works against wired connections. what an idiot :/
[14:41] <jdahl> vbgunz, I've never had problems with Gnome - and I am connected to the wireless router in Gnorme@Ubuntu 9.04 now
[14:41] <aurel42> Heh, for some reason one of the intermediary updates since installing the ISO killed the network-manager, I'm using the good old /etc/network/interfaces now. As I said, I've seen plenty of issues with jaunty.
[14:42] <vbgunz> jdahl: heh, its not a problem with any OS. its my settings on the router itself. I use mac filtering and that can seriously throw a wrench in your connection if you forget setting it
[14:43] <BluesKaj> !HP
[14:43] <mrwes> I installed Jaunty in virtualbox, but for the life of me I can't get it to go full screen
[14:43] <BluesKaj> !printers
[14:43] <vbgunz> mrwes: installed vbox additions?
[14:43] <mrwes> vbgunz, I tried....the download kept failing -- and I have a live internet connection
[14:43] <jdahl> I am not sure if there is a configuration applet in KDE4.2, which is supposed to work out of the box - I found a configuration setting under Network Settings,  and I was able to locate my router using "scan",  but somehow there is no "connect" button or anything
[14:44] <mrwes> vbgunz, I also tried a manually download and put the iso in /usr/share/virtualbox
[14:44] <vbgunz> mrwes: you shouldn't have to download it. it comes with virtualbox. when you select it from the menu, it mounts the cd image for you. from there, you go about installing it by finding your mount
[14:45] <mrwes> vbgunz, hrmm...well when I choose 'Install Guest Additions' it reports the iso is not found and asks if I want to download it...shrug
[14:45] <vbgunz> I would certainly agree it should be easier *but* I remember, selecting the option and nothing happening. then, I realized it did mount the image but just didn't tell me. I had to go find the mount
[14:46] <vbgunz> mrwes: I usually get my deb from sun itself
[14:46] <mrwes> vbgunz, ahh..I installed from Intrepid's repos
[14:46] <vbgunz> thats probably the difference between our installs?
[14:47] <mrwes> vbgunz, maybe I'll try the deb from sun directly
[14:48] <mrwes> you running OSE ?
[14:48] <vbgunz> mrwes: make sure you uninstall the deb from repo. I believe the deb in repo is the freedom version and the one from sun is well, heh
[14:48] <vbgunz> mrwes: no
[14:48] <mrwes> vbgunz, yah I did a complete removal already
[14:49] <vbgunz> mrwes: cool. sun has a repo line for apt
[14:49] <mrwes> yah I see that now
[14:50] <vbgunz> deb http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/debian intrepid non-free
[14:50] <mrwes> vbgunz, installing the deb now
[14:50] <vbgunz> cool. hopefully it works out for you
[14:51] <jtheuer> hi, how can I run the wizard for the proprietary nvidia module?
[14:51] <mrwes> vbgunz, thanks...I just like to check out Jaunty
[14:51] <mib_1qfg67> jtheuer: system->settings->
[14:51] <mib_1qfg67> hardware drivers
[14:51] <mib_1qfg67> there u should be able to do it
[14:52] <vbgunz> Alt+F2 -> jockey-kde
[14:53] <vbgunz> its wierd. I just ran jockey and though I am using the nvidia binary driver from nvidia itself, the utility reports no binary drivers are in use
[14:53] <jtheuer> mib_1qfg67: thanks, do you know the kubuntu equivalent or the name of the binary?
[14:53] <vbgunz> cool
[14:53] <vbgunz> heh, in a retarded kind of way :P
[14:53] <aurel42> jtheuer: I used "envyng", not sure whether that's recommended.
[14:53] <vbgunz> aurel42: supposedly its better than what I did
[14:55] <mib_1qfg67> jtheuer: ^^
[14:55] <vbgunz> I had 42 people 1 after the other tell me yesterday I was a moron. felt pretty cool all the attention
[14:55] <mib_1qfg67> vbgunz: we could do that again if u want
[14:55] <mib_1qfg67> ;-)
[14:55] <vbgunz> heh
[14:55] <jtheuer> got it ^^
[14:59] <Beastie> morning
[15:00] <Beastie> ok I just did a update and it seems kde is still borked
[15:00] <Beastie> anyone here on the kubuntu64 group
[15:01] <vbgunz> Beastie: I haven't rebooted yet. warn me
[15:01] <lamalex> hey, i know this is kind of a OT question for this channel, but does anyone know if there is a channel for the notify-osd development?
[15:02] <Beastie> updating seeks to bork kde
[15:02] <Beastie> you get kdm but whenj  you lgin all you get is the login backgrund
[15:02] <Beastie> nothing else
[15:03] <tgpraveen> Beastie: hate to give such a reply but u knw if u want kde then ubuntu aint the right distro for u.
[15:04] <Beastie> kubuntu is
[15:04] <Beastie> its kde
[15:05] <tgpraveen> Beastie: nope . better off with opensuse or fedora imho. but u knw thats just my opinion. dont wanna troll. so lets end this discussion
[15:05] <BluesKaj> Are you guys familiar with this error ? : E: /var/cache/apt/archives/network-manager-kde_1%3a0.7svn887517~2.19-0ubuntu1~ppa2_i386.deb: trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/libknmstorage.so.4.2.0', which is also in package plasma-widget-network-manager
[15:05] <sagredo> where can I turn off the notifications?
[15:06] <tgpraveen> sagredo: any specific app which u want to turn off notifications for
[15:06] <tgpraveen> i can help with pidgin , rhythmbox but a system wide turning off is not good idea
[15:06] <vbgunz> Beastie: you're using proprietary nvidia or ati drivers?
[15:07] <Beastie> no
[15:07] <Beastie> using the default ati driver
[15:07] <Beastie> radeon driver
[15:08] <vbgunz> Beastie: well, for me that always happens. it turns out after a kernel update and reboot, you get to the login screen, login and then it either goes black or nothing changes. it usually means at least for me, to reinstall the driver
[15:09]  * tgpraveen is happy that he likes gnome and doesnt face these problems
[15:10] <vbgunz> tgpraveen: you haven't given KDE an honest shot. I started out on Gnome myself. loved it. nothing can tear me away from my sweet sweet Gnome. then, I seriously tried KDE.
[15:12] <sagredo> where can I turn off the notifications?
[15:12] <BHSPitLappy> I started out on KDE for a few years, then found the beauty of GNOME 2.
[15:12] <BHSPitLappy> Never going back.
[15:13] <vbgunz> fair enough it works both ways. you can only be the judge if you seriously tried both. 10 minutes is never enough. I was on Gnome for about a year till I fell in love with KDE
[15:13] <penguin42> BHSPitLappy: Nod; although there are bits of KDE I prefer
[15:14] <BHSPitLappy> I played with it sometime more recently to see if I had any sway room on the topic, but it still just infuriates me to use
[15:14] <BluesKaj> !Desktop
[15:14] <Beastie> no go
[15:14] <Beastie> I reinstalled the driver still no go
[15:14] <BluesKaj> !Flavors
[15:15] <sagredo> where can I turn off the notifications?
[15:15] <qedx_> !lpia
[15:16] <torkiano> hello all, I think that is good add to channel topic this link:https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2009-March/027868.html
[15:16] <vbgunz> Beastie: you did it through 1 of tty? did you restart kdm?
[15:16] <Beastie> yes i reebooted after reinstalling
[15:17] <Beastie> looks like kde on kubuntu 64 is got issues
[15:17] <Beastie> installiung lxde as a fall back
[15:17] <vbgunz> Beastie: damn, I am on Kubuntu Jaunty AMD 64. I got 125 updates and am asked to reboot. :/
[15:18] <Beastie> yeah thats the issue
[15:19] <Beastie> I would install lxde as a fall back
[15:19] <vbgunz> I read somewhere yesterday about some known issues with the beta, I believe something to do with xorg is one of them... damn, if I cannot reboot back into Jaunty I will have to play Left 4 Dead... I am not really feeling that right now :/
[15:19] <Beastie> lxde is working
[15:20] <Beastie> I just installed it
[15:20] <BluesKaj> what's the trick to getting flash working on firefox ?
[15:21] <vbgunz> BluesKaj: I remember having to install nspluginwrapper
[15:21] <bsnider> you don't need nspluginwrapper anymore if you're on 64 bit
[15:21] <Beastie> unsupported pkgs
[15:21] <BluesKaj> 32bit here
[15:22] <kulight> bsnider: for flash ?
[15:22] <bsnider> right. the flash 10 beta release from adobe is a much better option
[15:23] <vbgunz> im on 64 bit. It wouldn't work otherwise though my flash woes are about 2-3 months old now. not sure what changed but I remember downloading it to get it to work
[15:24] <vbgunz> bsnider: yeah, I remember downloading that too although I think I removed it in favor of the repo version. it works for me konqueror/firefox
[15:24] <kulight> bsnider: beta ? its still alpha as far as i know. and there is no package for it ?
[15:24] <bsnider> download the plugin, put the libflashplugin.so file in /usr/lib/xulrunner-addons/plugins and it will work system-wide
[15:25] <m_tadeu> I have no sound on flash videos....does anyone know how to solve this?
[15:25] <BluesKaj> not working on ff so far
[15:25] <bsnider> i don't care if it isn't packaged. flash sites never crash or hang with it, you can run multiple flash movies at the same time etc. it's much better than nspluginwrapper
[15:25] <vbgunz> yeah that was my issue. the sound
[15:25] <kulight> bsnider: what about java ?
[15:25] <bsnider> it has nothing to do with java
[15:25] <bsnider> java's something else
[15:26] <kulight> bsnider: i know what about jav a64 bit ?
[15:26] <vbgunz> hmm, turns out I did not have flashplugin-nonfree
[15:26] <bsnider> haven't tried it yet
[15:26] <bsnider> no  need
[15:26] <kulight> bsnider: ok
[15:27] <penguin42> bsnider: I wouldn't say never crash; I still have problems with flash just deciding not to work and I have to quit and restart firefox
[15:27] <penguin42> java on 64bit in browsers is something I've never managed
[15:27] <vbgunz> this is how I usually test my flash sound http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpGp-22t0lU
[15:27] <bsnider> ok, well i don't
[15:28] <kulight> i know sun released a 64 bit version but i dont know if canonical add it to the release
[15:29] <ethana2> so I'm trying to get GLSlideshow to behave exactly like the 'forest' screensaver on my mac
[15:29] <ethana2> I want each image to pan once, for about six seconds, and I want to specify the directory
[15:29] <tomsdale> penguin42: flash 64Bit sucks big time.
[15:29] <ethana2> I'm editing text files in /user/share/xscreensaver/ ...
[15:30] <penguin42> tomsdale: To be honest, it does seem to be more stable than 32bit+nspluginwrapper
[15:30] <bsnider> that's an understatement
[15:31] <BluesKaj> not having much luck with nspluginwrapper
[15:31] <bsnider> but maybe nspluginwrapper improved since i used it last
[15:31] <tomsdale> penguin42: on my 8.10 I didn't need that anymore because adobe offers a 32bit version for linux now. But they don't seem offer the 64Bit Version yet.
[15:31] <ethana2> grr, what's this one image with the camera test pattern and that picture of flames coming out of a monitor?
[15:31] <ethana2> I just want it gone
[15:31] <penguin42> tomsdale: There is 64bit in jaunty
[15:32] <tomsdale> so why does it still just freeze? it gives me a grey dead area.
[15:32] <penguin42> on 64bit when it's not happy it's more of a case of just getting no flash or a white area rather than the grey blob I tended to get with nspluginwrapper
[15:32] <kulight> penguin42: there is not tou have to download and install it manualy
[15:33] <vbgunz> damn I had these woes and wish I could help. all I know is I am not using flashplugin-nonfree at all. I downloaded the 64 bit version for myself direct from adobe. its a single file.so. I placed it in the right place (forgot where) and installed nspluginwrapper... this is as much as I can remember :(
[15:33] <Blinkiz> Hi. I think I have found a bug. Needs some help to determent if its really are a bug before I submit it on launchpad.
[15:33] <penguin42> Blinkiz: OK, what you seeing?
[15:34] <bsnider> vbgunz, youshould have removed nspluginwrapper
[15:34] <tomsdale> does it work now stable on your system vbgunz?
[15:34] <penguin42> kulight: No, on jaunty it got the 64bit for me just by installing flashplugin-nonfree
[15:35] <tomsdale> I did the same but since I'm still getting the grey rectangles I though it installed the ndiswrapper and the 32 bit version.
[15:35] <kulight> penguin42: ill try that again... ill be happy if it does
[15:35] <penguin42> kulight: Uninstall nspluginwrapper and flashplugin-nofree and then reinstall flashplugin-nonfree
[15:35] <penguin42> I had to do the uninstall/reinstall on upgrade
[15:36] <bsnider> penguin42, check the installed files list for me on flashplugin-nonfree
[15:36] <kulight> penguin42: ive just done that and it asks me to install nsplug... as a dependency
[15:37] <penguin42> bsnider: Sure - which file?
[15:37] <bsnider> does it insall more than one?
[15:37] <BluesKaj> bsnider, your suggestion 'put the libflashplugin.so file in /usr/lib/xulrunner-addons/plugins and it will work system-wide'  works well , thx for the tip
[15:37] <penguin42> more than one file?
[15:37] <penguin42> kulight: Hmm you are right it still has a dependency
[15:37] <bsnider> BluesKaj, no prob
[15:38] <penguin42> ok, you are right - according to about:plugins flash is still coming from npwrapper
[15:38] <bsnider> penguin42, better suggestion: check about:plugins in forefox and tell me the flash version
[15:38] <kulight> bsnider: you can also put in .mozilla/plugins if you want it only for flash
[15:38] <vbgunz> bsnider, tomsdale. yes, I have nspluginwrapper on AMD 64 jaunty. I do not have flashplugin-nonfree. yes. stable on konqueror/firefox with sound no skips. perfect. my libflashplayer.so files are in 2 locations
[15:39] <vbgunz> /home/vbgunz/.mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so
[15:39] <vbgunz> /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so
[15:39] <kulight> vbgunz: /home/vbgunz/.mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so
[15:39] <Blinkiz> I think I have found a bug. Needs some help to determent if its really are a bug before I submit it on launchpad. Am trying to install jaunty beta on my laptop. I always use encrypted disc with luks+dm-crypt. It works fine but when rebooting, jaunty can't see the partition inside a open encrypted disk. See this image, really strange: http://bayimg.com/GAOnAAABj . The same problem has gparted. It sees the partition but complains that the path /dev
[15:39] <Blinkiz> /mapper/cryptop1 does not exist. Is this a bug? It works fine under intrepid...
[15:39] <penguin42> yeh, it's still running with  nspluginwrapper
[15:39] <Beastie> ok well atleast I have lxde
[15:39] <WatchBot> Blinkiz: Please keep your links on topic and work safe.
[15:39] <Beastie> but now I have to find a wifi manager
[15:40] <rconan> hmm... Kolourpaint SIGSEGV
[15:40] <rconan> not impressive
[15:40] <bsnider> my flash version is Shockwave Flash 10.0 r22
[15:41] <vbgunz> bsnider: how did you find that out?
[15:42] <vbgunz> rconan: did you get your twinview working?
[15:42] <rconan> vbgunz: no... I can't do it with both cards
[15:42] <bsnider> vbgunz, in firefox address bar type about:plugins
[15:43] <vbgunz> Shockwave Flash 10.0 d21
[15:43] <vbgunz> rconan: do you have sli enabled?
[15:43] <rconan> vbgunz: no... it's an 8800gtx and an 8500gt !
[15:44] <rconan> i can do twinview on each card but can't combine them
[15:44] <vbgunz> rconan: just curious. I never used sli before and I can handle it *but* I found out a wierd way, enabling it only makes one monitor work
[15:44] <rconan> yeah SLI only supports single monitor
[15:44] <rconan> on windows and linux
[15:44] <vbgunz> yeah
[15:45] <rconan> I used to use a pair of 7600GTs and had to switch between SLI and non-SLI
[15:45] <White_Pelican> I just installed jaunty jackelope beta 1 inder virtual box. I tried to get new themes, "installed" a coiple and they don't show up in the list. y?
[15:45] <vbgunz> I never use sli on Linux. I prefer twinview at all times. in Windows I use Sli when gaming but notice no real performance improvement. I must be doing something wrong :P
[15:46] <vbgunz> White_Pelican: what list?
[15:46] <White_Pelican> kde-look.org
[15:46] <vbgunz> system settings > advanced > desltop theme details?
[15:47] <White_Pelican> system settings>appearance>splash screens
[15:47] <White_Pelican> then get new themes
[15:47] <vbgunz> ahh not sure :(
[15:47] <White_Pelican> said it installed it, but I guess that's still a bug, eh?
[15:49] <weedar> Just installed Jaunty Beta as a Virtualbox Guest, but I don't get a GUI - I tried using recovery-option in grub to fix X, but no cigar...Any ideas what to try next?
[15:49] <penguin42> weedar: Does it give you any errors - or just drops back to the cli?
[15:50] <weedar> penguin42: For a second it seems like it's trying to start X, but then actually all it does is give me a CLI login-prompt.
[15:50] <penguin42> odd, most of the time I've had it give me a dialog about low-graphics mode if it has a problem
[15:51] <Beastie> whats the command to make apt-get reinstall all pkgs
[15:51] <penguin42> weedar: You could try looking in /var/log/Xorg.0.log to see if there are any obvious stuff
[15:51] <White_Pelican> weedar, are you using vbox?
[15:52] <weedar> White_Pelican: Yes. And now I see that Xorg.0.log complains about missing module vboxvideo
[15:52] <White_Pelican> ok, 2.1.4?
[15:52] <weedar> White_Pelican: Yes. You've experienced the same?
[15:52] <White_Pelican> yes sir
[15:52] <White_Pelican> vbox currently does not support xorg 1.6
[15:52] <White_Pelican> that's the issue
[15:53] <White_Pelican> I'm hoping 2.2.0 will
[15:53] <weedar> White_Pelican: So there's nothing I can do?
[15:53] <White_Pelican> it's in beta 2 right now
[15:53] <White_Pelican> unfortunately no
[15:53] <penguin42> can't you force it to use vesa?
[15:53] <White_Pelican> sorry
[15:53] <DarK``> hi all, I did sudo apt-get -b source fglrx-installer on my Jaunty machine but it gives me an error: dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: debhelper (>= 5) cdbs. Any idea how to fix that?
[15:54] <weedar> I guess it needs to use the virtualboxmodule since it doesn't really have direct access to the graphics adapter
[15:54] <White_Pelican> right
[15:54] <weedar> White_Pelican: Have you tried with the 2.2 beta?
[15:55] <White_Pelican> no, I don't have the guts :)
[15:55] <White_Pelican> they recommend you not put it in a live system
[15:56] <weedar> White_Pelican: This isn't really something I'll use every day, I usually boot straight into linux on my laptop. I just got a whim today to have a linux guest available in XP
[15:56] <weedar> So I'll try the 2.2 beta and let you know if it works
[15:57] <White_Pelican> ok please let me know
[16:05] <mandragor> White_Pelican: Didn't help :/
[16:05] <White_Pelican> sorry
[16:07] <diverse_izzue> Does somebody who has experience with Debian packaging have a few minutes to give me a hand? I'd like to test a few patches against the XServer package, but cannot quite understand how to add new patches to that package.
[16:07] <rom_> hi
[16:07] <schierbeck> i'm not seeing any notifications in jaunty -- can't seem to find an existing bug. anyone else has this problem?
[16:07] <rom_> my eth0 is not plugged, but in /var/log/syslog, every 10 seconds, I have : eth0: auto-negatiating...
[16:07] <rom_> is it normal?
[16:08] <Halow> schierbeck: See bug 332945 :(
[16:08] <rom_> s/negatiating/negotiating/
[16:09] <diverse_izzue> rom_: I don't have a cable plugged in either, but cannot find error messages as the ones you describe
[16:10] <rom_> diverse_izzue, http://pastebin.com/m4f45cf07
[16:10] <schierbeck> Halow: that's not really what i'm experiencing; i'm not seeing notification bubbles from any events, be that play/pause, change volume, pidgin, etc.
[16:11] <diverse_izzue> rom_: definitely cannot see anything equivalent here
[16:20] <Beastie> ko got kde back
[16:21] <Beastie> you have to use adept and reinstall kde-base
[16:23] <clancy> are ubuntu devs here?
[16:24] <jpds> Some of us are.
[16:24] <BluesKaj> I get printer error notices from system settings when I click on "Printer Configuration", but my printer is working just fine ...strange
[16:24] <unixdawg> ok fullyupdated and all is working great
[16:25] <clancy> some monthes ago i submitted a bug report for intrepid that timidity does not connect properly to pulseaudio, so i can't watch youtube movies with sound and play tuxguitar files at the same time, one is always muted
[16:25] <clancy> now in jaunty i have still the same issue!
[16:25] <penguin42> clancy: It's certainly worth putting a note on the bug saying it still happens on Jaunty
[16:25] <o0Chris0o> Anyone having issues with evolution after updating the last few days?
[16:26] <clancy> do you even take a look at the bugs
[16:26] <clancy> it is still unanswered
[16:26] <penguin42> clancy: Some packages seem to get seen to more than others
[16:26] <clancy> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/323320
[16:27] <aurel42> o0Chris0o: issues like "slow as hell" and "hangs"?
[16:27] <o0Chris0o> aurel42: yes, exactly
[16:27] <clancy> this is really annoying
[16:27] <aurel42> o0Chris0o: known bug, get rid of tracker for the moment
[16:27] <o0Chris0o> aurel42: ahh ok
[16:28] <aurel42> o0Chris0o: ...and if evolution doesn't start, reboot. Ubuntu is the new Windows. ;)
[16:28] <penguin42> clancy: Try this? http://pulseaudio.org/wiki/PerfectSetup#TiMidity
[16:28] <clancy> this pulseaudio issue is the only reason why i used windows again...after 11 monthes of linux :(
[16:30] <BluesKaj> I don't understand the fascination with pulseaudio , i thought it was going tobe dropped in kde4/jaunty
[16:30] <clancy> -OO is not compiled in the ubuntu timidity
[16:31] <penguin42> blueyed: From what i was told KDE uses something other than pulse
[16:31] <aurel42> penguin42: I think KDE has it's own audio daemon (kmix? or is that just the mixer?).
[16:32] <penguin42> clancy: Is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/timidity/+bug/210472  the same as your bug?
[16:34] <clancy> about the same, not really
[16:35] <clancy> the problem is, when i start an extra timidity server, it works but
[16:35] <clancy> 1. it would be nice if it worked without the work around
[16:35] <clancy> 2. in tuxguitar, sound and highlightening of played notes aren't at the same time, which is kind of weird for the guitar player
[16:36] <penguin42> ah a latency problem
[16:37] <penguin42> those are actually pretty hard to get right when you go through things like audio serers - although I suspect pulse has stuff for dealing with that
[16:37] <clancy> exactly, latency, i didn't found the word
[16:37] <weedar> Anyone know why it still takes so long for ssh-connections to show a password prompt? I know it's fixable by turning off all the GSSAPI-parameters in ssh_config like before, but why is slow the default?
[16:38] <clancy> with the default started timidity daemon (/etc/init.d/timidity) it works without latency problms
[16:38] <aurel42> weedar: I didn't notice that, define "long", please
[16:38] <cetanhota> Morning all, see we hads lots of fixes overnight
[16:39] <penguin42> clancy: If your bug is close to the other one then you have a better chance normally if you just mark yours as a dupe of the other one and add comments to it - that way you're dealing with a few people with the same problem and also there is a better chance of someone noticing a bug with a lot of people on it
[16:40] <Aegiron> hi everyone
[16:40] <socketbind> hi Aegiron
[16:40] <weedar> aurel42: Maybe it's not as slow as it was in Intrepid, but it still takes 10+ seconds, while it prompts almost instantly if GSSAPI is disabled
[16:41] <Aegiron> I have a question, purily out of curiosity, for which i can't seem to find an answer
[16:41] <aurel42> weedar: and it's not just that the server side is trying to resolve the client's name and runs into a timeout?
[16:42] <Aegiron> when installing a version of ubuntu, it asks to create partitions to install it on, or it gives the option of automaticaly managing the drive
[16:43] <aurel42> weedar: my SSH connections ask for a password instantly, and I have not touched the SSH config since installing from the jaunty .iso
[16:44] <clancy> i linked my bugreport
[16:44] <clancy> i hope you take a look at it, it happens since Hardy
[16:44] <Aegiron> I noticed that when choosing the automated solution, it creates two partitions: one for the root, and one for the swap. But is there any particular reason why the swap partition is located in a seperate logical (extended) partition?
[16:44] <Bonez56> I just did a fresh installation of Jaunty, then a full apt-get upgrade from archive.ubuntu.com (main server) and I have no volume control panel in my notification area... can anyone help? i need to record some audio from my 'line in' jack on my sound card but at the moment i have no control over any of the volumes etc.
[16:44] <weedar> aurel42: Odd! I've only tried this from a jaunty VM running under XP, so I might have jumped to conclusions..Going to try and setup a jaunty VM in an Intrepid host now, I'll make sure to check if the problem persists
[16:45] <penguin42> clancy: I don't know if there are actually any devs here (I'm not one), I'd also look if timidity has it's own bug tracker and raise a bug asking for pulseaudio compatibility
[16:55] <bsnider> why would someone run linux as a guest and windows as the host. the superior kernel from the foundational standpoint is linux
[16:56] <daftykins> perhaps they want to learn Linux but require playing lots of unsupported games still
[16:56] <penguin42> bsnider: Sometimes people have hardware that only works in Windows
[16:57] <aurel42> ...and it's probably faster than running the live disk.
[16:57] <penguin42> bsnider: Or people who play lots of games on their machine that they can't get to work in Linux
[16:58] <Doctor_Nick> vidja james
[16:58] <Doctor_Nick> i looove vidja james
[17:02] <bsnider> if i was a big gamer i'd buy a console. they're cheaper than computers are
[17:03] <Doctor_Nick> cant play mmos on consoles
[17:05]  * penguin42 gets a feeling some fonts have changed in Jaunty but can't quite put my finger on it
[17:05] <BluesKaj> penguin42, yeah , i noticed that in the run command list
[17:09] <peepsalot> will jaunty have firefox 3.1?
[17:10] <fosco_> don't think so
[17:10] <peepsalot> i've seen a page that has a package list before, but I can never remember what the link is, and my google searches are not working
[17:10] <Halow> http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=jaunty
[17:11] <jpds> peepsalot: Not by default, but there is a firefox-3.1 package.
[17:11] <benste> hi, does someone know how to get a link between smartdimmer and gnome-power?
[17:12] <benste> i've had a fix in hardy, but this one is not working any longer
[17:16] <mister_roboto> does anyone know how to get checkpoint snx running on jaunty? i saw many pages saying to install "libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2" but i can't find that
[17:17] <eMaX> hi all
[17:17] <ikonia> mister_roboto: check point as in the firewall or something else
[17:18] <mister_roboto> as in the vpn client
[17:18] <eMaX> anyone here has experiences with a sierra wireless aircard 850?
[17:18] <mister_roboto> snx
[17:18] <ikonia> mister_roboto: ooh no idea with the vpn
[17:18] <XenoPhoenix> In compiz settings -> General -> Desktop Size, what is number of desktops as opposed to virtual size?
[17:18] <penguin42> mister_roboto: I'd try installing libstdc++5
[17:18] <mister_roboto> ikonia: they don't seem to have any version linked with newer libs and i can't find that old lib in any of the repos
[17:19] <mister_roboto> penguin42: did that. doesn't work with that one either :)
[17:19] <benste> no one here who can advise me what to do to get brightness back?
[17:19] <crdlb> XenoPhoenix: don't worry about it, it will always be 1
[17:19] <ikonia> I wouldn't advise putting differnt glibc verson there
[17:19] <penguin42> mister_roboto: What exactly is the error?
[17:19] <ikonia> mister_roboto: glibc is pretty critical, putting multiple/old versions on is not a good idea
[17:19] <mister_roboto> penguin42: snx: symbol lookup error: snx: undefined symbol: cerr
[17:19] <XenoPhoenix> crdlb, I'm not worried I was just curious :)
[17:19] <weedar> I have an Intel Core 2 Duo CPU, currently running Intrepid 64-bit (x86_64). I should use the amd64-iso to install 64-bit Jaunty?
[17:19] <penguin42> mister_roboto: Hmm OK, have you got a machine it works on?
[17:19] <mister_roboto> ikonia: yes, understood. i was using  LD_PRELOAD
[17:19] <penguin42> weedar: Yep
[17:20] <crdlb> XenoPhoenix: ubuntu patches compiz to ensure that it's never anything other than 1
[17:20] <mister_roboto> penguin42: yes, windows  lol    lots sof pages saying guys have it working with gutsy and earlier
[17:20] <crdlb> compiz really shouldn't even offer to support virtual desktops, since none of the plugins do
[17:20] <rconan> XenoPhoenix: it's the actual number of desktops where these days we have a virtual large on which you switch between ares of
[17:21] <penguin42> mister_roboto: OK, I'd suggest get that 2.x package off an older version, unpack it somewhere separate and use ld_perload
[17:21] <weedar> penguin42: Thanks, guess my problem is vbox-related then - Right after the "Install Kubuntu"-boot menu it complains that the kernel requires a 64-bit cpu and I don't seem to have one
[17:21] <penguin42> preload
[17:21] <penguin42> weedar: Ah
[17:21] <XenoPhoenix> rconan, ah cool :)
[17:21] <rconan> XenoPhoenix: linux had multiple desktops which were discrete and switchable between long before compiz and the large virtual desktop came along
[17:21] <penguin42> weedar: Exactly which COre 2 do you have?
[17:21] <mister_roboto> penguin42: yep, sounds like the logical next step.  thx :)
[17:22] <XenoPhoenix> rconan, See this is what I get for being a late switcher :P
[17:22] <rconan> XenoPhoenix: you missed out on all the hacks which are currently in the process of being changed for better solutions :p
[17:22] <XenoPhoenix> heh like xinerama ;)
[17:22] <weedar> penguin42: output from /proc/cpuinfo says "Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU     T9300  @ 2.50GHz"
[17:22] <rconan> XenoPhoenix: indeed
[17:23] <weedar> penguin42: and as I said, I am currently running a physical install of Kubuntu Intrepid 64-bit (uname -a says x86_64)
[17:23] <penguin42> weedar: OK, which version of virtualbox are you running and is the host 32 or 64?
[17:24] <weedar> penguin42: 64-bit host, which already has a 64-bit windows 7 guest running perfectly
[17:24] <penguin42> weedar: Oh OK hmm with a working 64bit guest - I was going to say check VT is enabled etc
[17:25] <brad_> can someone help me with a kernel panic? I captured some of the trace
[17:25] <penguin42> weedar: When you created the guest for this ubuntu install you selected 64bit linux?
[17:25] <weedar> penguin42: Seems it's a bug, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/virtualbox-ose/+bug/301199
[17:26] <penguin42> weedar: Ah OK
[17:27] <Doctor_Nick> i cant seem to download anything from us.archive.ubuntu.com
[17:28] <weedar> Guess I have to check my BIOS settings, that second bug-id from ubottu seems to indicate it might be related to not having enabled virtualization
[17:29] <penguin42> weedar: Well yeh that's what I was going to say - but if you already have a working 64bit guest....
[17:30] <weedar> penguin42: yeah. Man, this weekend really hasn't gone my way when it comes to virtualbox..
[17:34] <bsnider> peepsalot, ff 3.1 is already packaged
[17:34] <Doctor_Nick> GOON FREET
[17:37] <sparr> what are the odds that a kernel module bug could be fixed in *JUST* the module?  that is, not requiring a reboot, just replacing and reloading the module.  pretty high, right?
[17:38] <penguin42> sparr: It's possible - depends on the bug of course
[17:38] <penguin42> what's the bug?
[17:39] <jbroome_> sorry for the bouncing, connected from the wrong host
[17:42] <Buster3> Hello! I have upgrades from intrepid 8.10 to Jaunty 9.4 and am having MAJOR problems is there any way to reverse this upgrade????
[17:43] <bsnider> no there isn't
[17:43] <Buster3> it errored just before is finished now I cant boot
[17:43] <Buster3> what do I do?
[17:43] <penguin42> Buster3: What's the last thing you see and what was the error?
[17:44] <Buster3> it said something about x.org
[17:44] <Buster3> no config files
[17:44] <Buster3> I'm confused
[17:44] <bsnider> not enough info
[17:44] <penguin42> first important thing is to get the full error message
[17:45] <Buster3> I'm in recovery is there any way to start it again?
[17:45] <penguin42> reboot
[17:45] <ryanprior> cry
[17:46] <Buster3> all I get when I reboot is a flashing curcor in the top left corner of my screen
[17:46] <Buster3> cursor*
[17:46] <penguin42> do you get anything before that?
[17:46] <bsnider> grub?
[17:46] <Buster3> yeah but it goes my so fast
[17:47] <penguin42> text or a splash screen or what?
[17:47] <bsnider> press esc when you see it
[17:47] <Buster3> text
[17:47] <Buster3> when I see what? the text?!?
[17:47] <bsnider> yes
[17:47] <Buster3> ok I'll try that!
[17:47] <Buster3> thanks
[17:57] <m_tadeu> has anyone tryed to connect those usb mic's from singstar?
[17:57] <gavintlgold> I'd just like to say I'm very impressed with the beta
[17:58] <gavintlgold> very smooth and nice-looking. I think the nvidia drivers are much improved as well--my compiz experience is much smoother
[17:58] <penguin42> cool
[17:58] <gavintlgold> and I love the notifications
[17:58] <gavintlgold> only problem i'm having is with the keyboard volume control
[17:58] <BluesKaj> hmm, haven't checked compiz yet
[17:58] <gavintlgold> it controls the wrong channel (not the master channel)
[17:59] <vnwarrior> guys .. I havent yet downloaded the ISO of jaunty - do you suggest I get beta or daily ? I heard there were some pretty serious bugs in Beta...
[17:59] <penguin42> vnwarrior: Well update-manager will keep you upto date as long as it installs OK
[17:59] <kahbuntu> vnwarrior: I'm using the beta
[17:59] <rww> gavintlgold: Is the setting at the bottom of System > Preferences > Sound correct?
[18:00] <kahbuntu> and I'm very impressed
[18:00] <kahbuntu> it works better than debian testing + unstable
[18:00] <gavintlgold> rww: hey, thanks! :)
[18:00] <penguin42> rww: Oh useful - mine was set ot Microphone
[18:01] <gavintlgold> hmmm... it doesn't seem perfect
[18:01] <rww> vnwarrior: I didn't run across any serious bugs in the beta. There was a problem with python after the beta freeze stopped, but that's fixed anyway.
[18:01] <gavintlgold> I'm not quite all the way down and it says it's on mute
[18:01] <gavintlgold> maybe that's just a feature
[18:01] <gavintlgold> warning you that it's really quiet :P
[18:01] <bsnider> it's also a conservative release. they didn't revampt he sound system like fedora did, and they're using the older kernel
[18:01] <rww> yeah, either that or volume control is being quirky again
[18:02] <gavintlgold> i personally can't wait till koala
[18:02] <rww> bsnider: The "newer" kernel only came out five days ago. Not really enough time for it to be tested properly.
[18:03] <bsnider> i'm just saying it's conservative
[18:03] <bsnider> i realize some things will be backported
[18:05] <penguin42> bsnider: It's not conservative!
[18:05] <penguin42> bsnider: Not with something that close to release
[18:05] <bsnider> they integrated 2.6.27 into i8ntrepid with only a month of testing
[18:06] <magcius> Hmm... trying to install python-nevow fails.
[18:06] <magcius> E: Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/n/nevow/python-nevow_0.9.31-4ubuntu1_all.deb: 404 Not Found [IP: 130.239.18.173 80]
[18:07] <penguin42> magcius: Hit the check button in update-manager or do an apt-get update and try again
[18:07] <magcius> penguin42, thanks.
[18:07] <kahbuntu> bsnider: 2.6.27 is a long term support kernel
[18:07] <thefuzzball> I have this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/330814
[18:07] <Doctor_Nick> hmm
[18:07] <thefuzzball> But it is marked as solved...
[18:08] <Doctor_Nick> in kubuntu jaunty, it's not giving me an option to install the proprietary nvidia driver
[18:08] <bsnider> oh it's one of those special lts kernels
[18:08] <penguin42> thefuzzball: Which kernl do you have?
[18:08] <kahbuntu> bsnider: yes
[18:08] <thefuzzball> penguin42, 2.6.28-11-generic (2.6.28.8)
[18:08] <thefuzzball> penguin42, using 64-bit jaunty
[18:09] <penguin42> thefuzzball: I'm on 2.6.28-11.38 as the package name or 2.6.28-11-generic #38 from the uname -a ?
[18:09] <thefuzzball> penguin42, yes
[18:11] <penguin42> thefuzzball: interesting, I haven't had that problem since upgrade to this kernel - I'm getting a weird POP every so often, but that seems different
[18:11] <penguin42> thefuzzball: I guess you could comment on that bug and see what happens?
[18:11] <thefuzzball> I will clean my cache and upgrade first, don't want any mistakes being made on my end...
[18:12] <penguin42> nod
[18:12] <thefuzzball> ...It will take a few hours though due to my ISP throttling my connection.
[18:12] <thefuzzball> Currently downloading at 8427B/s lol
[18:13] <penguin42> thefuzzball: Ouch
[18:14] <BluesKaj> thefuzzball. it could be the repos server
[18:15] <BluesKaj> lotsa ppl DLing the new release
[18:15] <centaur5> Is the only difference between an Ubuntu install and Netbook Remix install the ubuntu-desktop and the ubuntu-netbook-remix package?
[18:17] <rendero> hello, since i upgraded to 9.04, i have no sound g.e. in games, but i can play some sound files, some files could not be played with totem.
[18:17] <rendero> what could i test ?
[18:20] <marctw> xrandr only allows 800x600 for S-video, anyone know how to change it?
[18:27] <tux_> anyone know how to get the pidgin icon on the taskbar?
[18:27] <tux_> for docking purposes
[18:28] <bruce89> tux_: good luck
[18:28] <Cycom> dtchen: any word on those jacksense fixes?
[18:28] <tux_> bruce89, used to work in ibex
[18:28] <bruce89> tux_: in other words, you can't
[18:28] <Cycom> dtchen: or a 32bit kernel I can download to test?
[18:28] <bruce89> tux_: Ubuntu's braindead patch
[18:28] <thiebaude> tux_: create launcher for it
[18:28] <tux_> kdocker :/
[18:28] <dtchen> Cycom: have you already tried one of my test ones?
[18:29] <tux_> i have to install so many kde frontends to use that
[18:29] <Cycom> dtchen: no, I dunno where they are.
[18:29] <dtchen> Cycom: i think an older one is still available at http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~dtchen/
[18:29] <bruce89> tux_: AFAIK there's some preference in Piding
[18:29] <Cycom> dtchen: but the changes aren't complete yet, so they're not in the beta kernel, right?
[18:29] <dtchen> Cycom: none of the jacksense fixes are in the beta or the new kernel
[18:29] <tux_> its under interface tab to select 'always show tray icon' but doesnt work
[18:30] <Cycom> dtchen: will they make it into the final release, do you think?
[18:30] <bruce89> tux_: Install Debian then
[18:30] <gavintlgold> aww man, I love the fading backgrounds :D
[18:30] <bruce89> tux_: or go back to Intrepid
[18:30] <dtchen> Cycom: i really don't know; they're not terribly high priority for me. i need to fix bluetooth.
[18:31] <XenoPhoenix> Are the header files the only documentation on libindicate?
[18:31] <dtchen> Cycom: do you still have the bug report # that you filed?
[18:31] <Cycom> dtchen: not handy.
[18:31] <bruce89> XenoPhoenix: likely
[18:31] <Cycom> dtchen: my desktop system with snd-hda-intel doesn't show the problem either, so...
[18:32] <dtchen> Cycom: different codec, probably.
[18:32] <maco> jeez, you guys POUNCED on dtchen
[18:32] <XenoPhoenix> bruce89, do you know if there are any design guidelines like with with notify-osd lying around, I wouldn't know where to look
[18:32] <maco> he just sat down
[18:32] <Cycom> maco: meh. he coulda ignored us :)
[18:32] <bruce89> XenoPhoenix: I don't know, what are you doing?
[18:33] <Cycom> dtchen: if it's low priority for you, I'm not gonna re-upgrade my netbook to 9.04 just yet, I think.
[18:33] <XenoPhoenix> bruce89: thinking of making a Xchat indicator to compliment the libnotify for highlights
[18:33] <bruce89> XenoPhoenix: please don't
[18:33] <bruce89> actually, I use xchat-gnome, carry on
[18:34] <Cycom> dtchen: bluetooth is honestly higher priortiy for me too at this point :)
[18:34] <XenoPhoenix> bruce89: why the objection?
[18:34] <bruce89> it's pointless and requires a lot of Ubuntu-specific patchs
[18:34] <tgpraveen> anyone here using empathy with jaunty?
[18:34] <bruce89> yes
[18:35] <XenoPhoenix> bruce89:it was more for personal use than for general release anyway, besides surely implementation as a plugin would not require patches?
[18:35] <bruce89> XenoPhoenix: ah
[18:35] <XenoPhoenix> I would never attempt to integrate it directly!
[18:35] <bruce89> XenoPhoenix: I object to Ubuntu's patching programs to work with the crippled indicator applet and notify-ods
[18:36] <Cycom> bruce89: it's a beta. the whole point is to test out new things for the new release.
[18:36] <Cycom> bruce89: they can always revert to the old version if it becomes too problematic.
[18:37] <XenoPhoenix> bruce89: fair enough, which I why I was intending to implement it as plugin, that why if you use indicator applet, great, here's some xchat support, if not fine
[18:37] <bruce89> I doubt they'd ever come to their senses
[18:37] <tgpraveen> bruce89: that is not corret what ubuntu devs are doing is that they are making changes in code upstream in apps
[18:37] <tgpraveen> to make them compliant with freedesktop specifications
[18:37] <bruce89> tgpraveen: they most certainly are not
[18:37] <tgpraveen> which the notify-osd requires to be followed so its
[18:38] <XenoPhoenix> tgpraveen, that was my understanding too I must admit
[18:38] <tgpraveen> not like they are not bullying everyone to folow their way of doing stuff
[18:38] <bruce89> I've not seen a single patch go upstream
[18:39] <Cycom> dtchen: once bluetooth is fixed, and you'll have more time for working on the jacksense, let me know and I'll upgrade a netbook for testing.
[18:39] <bruce89> I meant things like gnome-mount using dialogues now
[18:39] <XenoPhoenix> yeah I thought it was a tighter implementation of freedesktop specs, hence they were patching upstream to support better compliance
[18:39] <tgpraveen> also ba ck to my original question to those who are using empathy how is the new notification support and sound alerts for new msg and calls etc?
[18:39] <dtchen> Cycom: free time doesn't grow on trees for me
[18:39] <tgpraveen> when a new call is received what  happens
[18:40] <tgpraveen> bruce89: hmmm.... didnt think of that. gud point
[18:40] <Cycom> dtchen: I imagine not :) It's not a big deal.  My problem with totem is also preventing me from going all 9.04 at this point anyhow.
[18:40] <bruce89> there is no dialogue thingy in the notification specification
[18:41] <XenoPhoenix> yeah your correct on that point
[18:41] <tgpraveen> empathy users ^^
[18:42] <bsnider> dtchen, does fruit grow on trees for you?
[18:42] <bruce89> tgpraveen: I'm afraid I don't get calls
[18:42] <crdlb> in some respects, the patches are ensuring tighter compliance (the spec accepts that some daemons will not support actions)
[18:42] <tgpraveen> dont get.? and sond alerts?
[18:42] <tgpraveen> sound
[18:43] <DanaG> dtchen: what's this about jack sensing?
[18:43] <tgpraveen> bruce89: ^^
[18:43] <bruce89> crdlb: indeed, but the not-support of actions is questionable
[18:43] <bruce89> no actions == patching to use dialogues
[18:43] <crdlb> the spec doesn't appear to mention ignoring the expiration timeout though :)
[18:44] <DanaG> ugh, every time I start my computer, I have to mute and then unmute PA.
[18:44] <s3r3n1t7> Pidgin broke? Seems to love to crash.
[18:45] <tgpraveen> bruce89: u tried video chat on empathy 2.26?
[18:45] <bruce89> tgpraveen: nope
[18:47] <tgpraveen> bruce89: and sound alerts?
[18:47] <bruce89> tgpraveen: with a decent sound theme, yes
[18:48] <tgpraveen> the default one 9.04?
[18:48] <DanaG> snd_hda_codec: Unknown symbol snd_ctl_add_slave
[18:48] <DanaG> argh.
[18:48] <hmw> whats wrong with the fonts? when i tried to find some, many just looked the same. My impression is, that some fonts just dont work and the previously selected one is still being used in that selection dialog (change desktop background/fonts)
[18:48] <bruce89> tgpraveen: nope, freedesktop-sound-theme
[18:49] <tgpraveen> bruce89: is there a bug report for this?
[18:49] <bruce89> tgpraveen: not to the best of my recollection
[18:50] <tgpraveen> sad
[18:50] <tgpraveen> bruce89: offtopic were u born in 1989?
[18:51] <dtchen> DanaG: is the "muted on login" issue reproducible in a new user?
[18:51] <bsnider> pulseaudio 9.15 must be getting close to release
[18:51] <dtchen> bsnider: soon, yes. it will release prior to Fedora 11.
[18:51] <bsnider> luke has test packages already in his ppa
[18:51] <penguin42> is it getting any more stable is the question? I don't know if the POP sounds I'm getting in Jaunty beta are kernel or pulse
[18:52] <dtchen> yes, luke and i discussed offering them in his ppa due to 9.04 not shipping 0.9.15
[18:52] <bsnider> he's also offering alsa 1.0.19
[18:53] <dtchen> bsnider: alsa-lib 1.0.19, rather.
[18:53] <penguin42> dtchen: I've not seen any sign of most of the pulse problems I had on the Alpha though which is good
[18:54] <DanaG> dtchen: hmm, I'm not sure of that
[18:54] <DanaG> Oh yeah, what was that about jack sensing?
[18:54] <dtchen> jack sensing is broken for internal {,d}mics and for a revision of sigmatel used in HP Minis
[18:55] <Cycom> dtchen: it appears to also be a little messed up on the dell mini9 for headphones
[18:55] <dtchen> i can't troubleshoot hardware i don't have access to
[18:55] <Cycom> dtchen: mini9 is available at best buy too! :)
[18:56]  * penguin42 grrs at a CD with all the data as Various Artists
[18:56] <dtchen> eh, i've already purchased two macbook pros just to fix audio on ubuntu; i don't think i really want to waste any more money
[18:56] <Cycom> O_O
[18:56] <Cycom> you WHAT?!
[18:57] <Cycom> Frankly, I'm suprised dell isn't giving you guys machines for testing.  They sell mini9s with ubuntu 8.04 on em
[18:57] <bsnider> the crackbook pro is an expensive piece o' crap
[18:57] <DanaG> ah.
[18:57] <Cycom> bsnider: the hardware is nice, I'm just not a fan of OS X :)
[18:57] <dtchen> Dell does have some sort of access program *for Canonical employees*
[18:57] <Cycom> dtchen: but as a volunteer you're out of the loop, right?
[18:57] <dtchen> of course.
[18:57] <DanaG> dtchen: wish they had a "rental" program.
[18:58] <Cycom> dtchen: that blows.
[18:58] <DanaG> eBay the Macs?
[18:58] <BUGabundo> hello everyone
[18:58] <dtchen> nah, some local middle/high schools have them now
[18:58] <penguin42> dtchen: How does it work with the audio chips - is it they are wired different on every motherboard? How is it the software supposed to figure it out?
[18:59] <Cycom> dtchen: you get a tax deduction for that?
[18:59] <dtchen> Cycom: no, i cannot claim them for such a purpose
[18:59] <Cycom> dtchen: I'm suprised.  Did you sell them, or donate them?
[18:59] <DanaG> I'd sell them at like half-price, or something.
[18:59] <DanaG> Or even 1/3 price.
[19:00] <DanaG> That way they get a discount, and you don't get a total loss.
[19:00] <DanaG> I believe Apple does weird things like putting line-out on the pin that defaults to line-in.
[19:00] <dtchen> penguin42: HDA, as a spec, is horridly vague. MS has a closed discovery algorithm. No one else in the community has anything close, though there are attempts to RE. So, we brute-force - well, we add static quirk mappings. Which blows.
[19:00] <dtchen> penguin42: but yes, nearly everything is done in software.
[19:01] <dtchen> Cycom: donated.
[19:01] <Cycom> dtchen: and you can't claim them?!
[19:01] <Cycom> dtchen: what a rip off!
[19:01] <penguin42> dtchen: Sigh - you'd think there would be a chunk in the firmware or a register that they could set - not that any of the bios vendors would get it right
[19:01] <dtchen> eh, it goes with the area. can't reasonably do that without drawing undue attention.
[19:02] <penguin42> dtchen: Well thank you for your efforts anyway
[19:02] <DanaG> Actually, if I don'
[19:02] <DanaG> If I don't use the ADI drivers for my sound card in Vista, it does some weird things too:
[19:03] <DanaG> the same "mute doesn't work" issue... and it also shows headphone-out as a separate output that disappears if you have nothing plugged in.
[19:03] <Cycom> btw, dtchen, the reason I'm running Ubuntu on my desktop (primarily used for gaming!) is that even windows vista couldn't find the drivers for my sound card.  snd-hda-intel crackles unless I do the mac unload/reload module trick, but otherwise it works FAR better than windows.
[19:03] <dtchen> argh @gconf for distribution upgrades
[19:04] <DanaG> My audio chip also does odd things with a gpio: there's a "hardware mute" hotkey tied to GPIO1, and if I twiddle it, it triggers the hardware mute.
[19:04] <Cycom> my mic jack has better support on linux than windows.
[19:04] <dtchen> Cycom: is the crackling still reproducible with the latest kernel in jaunty?
[19:04] <Cycom> dtchen: yup.
[19:04] <Cycom> dtchen: it mostly comes from the left channel, as far as I can tell.
[19:04] <dtchen> Cycom: hmm, i thought you weren't running an installed jaunty on that machine
[19:05] <Cycom> dtchen: that's on the netbooks.  I'm using 8.10 on them now.
[19:05] <Cycom> dtchen: my desktop has 9.04 beta.
[19:05] <Cycom> well, actually, when was the last kernel update? today?
[19:06] <Cycom> let me pull out the modifications and see if crackling goes away.
[19:06] <scream> IS there a channel or email list that I can become aware of updates added to the repository?
[19:07] <bruce89> jaunty-changes
[19:07] <DanaG> Too bad there's no array-mic algorithm for Linux.
[19:07] <Cycom> DanaG: array-mic?
[19:07] <DanaG> When using my array mic in Linux, it gets a lot of noise; the Windows drivers have a noise-cancelling feature and a directional-beam feature.
[19:07] <scream> Since they have disabled the update notification icon...
[19:07] <scream> ...
[19:07] <Cycom> scream: you can turn it back on :)
[19:08] <DanaG> yeah... because apparently the notification area... is not for.... update.... notifications.  HAH!
[19:08] <bruce89> gconftool-2 -s -t bool /apps/update-notifier/auto_launch false
[19:08] <bruce89> apparently autolaunching is better for some reason
[19:08] <Cycom> man, I really was worried that it was just gone.  Like the classic start menu in windows 7 is gone.
[19:08] <dtchen> Cycom: yesterday sometime. i think. my sense of time has blurred heavily since the last work spin cycle and since prior to Beta.
[19:08] <m_tadeu> I can't get any sound from my micrphone....what can I do about it?
[19:09] <dtchen> (ugh.)
[19:09] <dtchen> m_tadeu: which mic?
[19:09] <Cycom> dtchen: could be worse, you could be out of a job.
[19:09] <Cycom> I wonder how canonical pays?
[19:09] <bruce89> by cheque
[19:09] <m_tadeu> dtchen: wireless mics from  the ps2
[19:09] <dtchen> Cycom: at some point, there is little difference between being overworked and being unemployed
[19:10] <Cycom> dtchen: well, there is the critical difference: money.
[19:10] <dtchen> Cycom: money makes little difference when your health suffers to such an extent
[19:13] <Cycom> dtchen: it appears the crackling is still there.
[19:13] <bsnider> is google down?
[19:13] <penguin42> bsnider: Not from here
[19:14] <OiPenguin_> Vertical scroll on touchpad not working in 9.04 beta. Is there anything I can do before reporting a bug? (Yes, enable vertical scrolling is ticked in System --> Preferences --> Mouse)
[19:14] <penguin42> OiPenguin_: Seems to be OK here
[19:14] <thefuzzball> bsnider, nope
[19:15] <bruce89> OiPenguin_: they disabled it for some reason
[19:15] <OiPenguin_> penguin42: My machine is a compal HEL80. I had no problems in 8.10 and previous versions.
[19:15] <bsnider> oh, my isp must have had a minor issue
[19:15] <Cycom> dtchen: this is without any options on snd-hda-intel that the error shows up.  even with model=5stack  and position_fix 1 or 2, I get crackling.
[19:15] <OiPenguin_> bruce89: Does that mean that I can expect it to work in final and hence no need to report a bug?
[19:15] <penguin42> OiPenguin_: Mine is Toshiba Equium A100-306 - report it; you might try if you can set anything with synclient
[19:15] <_VIM_2> did they change something in 9.04's .bashrc file? I cant seem to get color text in terminal like i had in 8.10
[19:16] <bruce89> OiPenguin_: you can expect it to not work
[19:16] <OiPenguin_> penguin42: I should probably report the name/model of my touchpad. How do I find that?
[19:16] <OiPenguin_> bruce89: That would be a very unfortunate regression.
[19:16] <penguin42> OiPenguin_: Not sure
[19:16] <bruce89> hasn't stopped them so far
[19:17] <yofel> _VIM_2: works fine here
[19:17] <penguin42> OiPenguin_: I'd include your /var/log/Xorg.0.log - there seems to be a fair amount of debug in there about it
[19:20] <Cycom> dtchen: I also need model=5stack to get my mic detected, but I suspect that's because my motherboard is rather obscure
[19:22] <OiPenguin_> penguin42: Bug reported, with log attached
[19:22] <OiPenguin_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/350510
[19:23] <bsnider> Cycom, mayhaps you should file a bug
[19:23] <Cycom> bsnider: I'm not sure if I should.  Other motherboards of this series are documented in the kernel as requiring it.
[19:24] <m_tadeu> my ps2 wireless microphone shows up in kmix, volume is at 100% and capture is checked....but there is no sound....can anyone help me debugging this?
[19:24] <bsnider> they don't have to do anything about it. i mean goons aren't going to show up at your door if you file abug. it can't hurt
[19:24] <fargiolas> is there a reason why ubuntu netbook remix image is not compiled for lpia processors? doesn't it aim to netbook targets?
[19:25] <dtchen> Cycom: you're firing a lot of information at me without providing the bug report #s ;)
[19:25] <scream> Cycom, How do I reenable it?
[19:26] <dtchen> Cycom: most importantly, all that quirk info is meaninglessly devoid of context. at the very least, it needs to be linked with /proc/asound/card*/codec* content
[19:26] <scream> The update notifier that is
[19:26] <bruce89> gconftool-2 -s -t bool /apps/update-notifier/auto_launch false
[19:26] <scream> bruce89, with or without sudo?
[19:26] <bruce89> without obviously
[19:27] <scream> It was not that obvious for me.  I feel stupid when you say that. :)
[19:27] <bruce89> sorry
[19:27] <scream> I'm relatively new to ubuntu, but I'm learning alot when I do bug management.  I'm getting there.  Tis ok. :)
[19:27] <bruce89> general idea is to not bother with sudo unless a command fails
[19:27] <scream> I'll remember that.
[19:28] <bruce89> assuming it's a permission issues
[19:28] <Cycom> dtchen: well, the crackling fix came from https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HdaIntelSoundHowto
[19:28] <Cycom> dtchen: I just happened to try the Solution for Apple Macs.
[19:28] <dtchen> Cycom: which "fix"?
[19:28] <scream> Ok, the command is issued.  One more question if y'all don't mind.  The auto updates will offer me to check daily, every two days, and so on.  If I want it to check say, every hour, how do I go about that?
[19:29] <Cycom> dtchen: the "Solution for Apple Macs" one, editing /etc/rc.local to contain "rmmod snd_hda_intel" and modprobe "snd_hda_intel"
[19:29] <Cycom> sorry "modprobe snd_hda_intel"
[19:29] <dtchen> Cycom: ew. obviously suboptimal and not a fix. :/
[19:30] <Cycom> dtchen: yeah. but it WORKS :)
[19:30] <dtchen> Cycom: so you're experiencing a combination of issues: pointer desync and codec init failure
[19:30] <dtchen> Cycom: nah, it's a pretty ugly workaround, it doesn't actually "work"
[19:30] <dtchen> Cycom: in fact, you can make the driver go belly up if you use applications "in the wrong order"
[19:30] <melik> help digg this > http://digg.com/linux_unix/18_Second_Boot_Time_Ubuntu_Jaunty_9_04_Beta
[19:31] <bruce89> wow, a digg article about Ubuntu, what are the chances?
[19:32] <scream> https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/65696
[19:33] <melik> dtchen, was it you who I was talking about a kinit: name_to_dev_t error a little while back?
[19:34] <dtchen> melik: i don't recall such a conversation
[19:34] <melik> oh sorry then, was probably someone else.
[19:35] <skjelmose> I have sound problems after upgrading to 9.10 > see this http://pastie.org/430011
[19:36] <melik> 9.10?
[19:36] <skjelmose> I only hear beeps - no music etc - dont think its codec
[19:36]  * bruce89 didn't know Karmic opened
[19:36] <dtchen> skjelmose: install pavucontrol, and use it to ensure that the default sink is the correct one and that the streams are being sent to the correct sink
[19:37] <skjelmose> Ohh and greetings to all fellow ubuntu users :D
[19:37] <crdlb> huh, I just tried the beta cd on my cheap toshiba notebook
[19:37] <skjelmose> dtchen: Allright dont know what pavucontrol is but ill google it and goes from there
[19:37] <crdlb> it worked fine until I tried to reboot, it froze right at the end and I couldn't get the screen to come on until I unplugged it and removed the battery
[19:38] <bruce89> skjelmose: PulseAudio Volume (A) Control
[19:39] <skjelmose> bruce89: Yeah installing it at the moment
[19:43] <skjelmose> Well I cant see that it has found the sound card: Intel 82801DB-ICH4 - Intel 82801DB-ICH4 but not hearing anything :D
[19:44] <Mycroft_> Hi, I got an error13 at grub since kernel 2.6.28-11
[19:44] <Mycroft_> Error 13: Invalid or Unsupported Executable Format
[19:44] <Mycroft_> I can still boot with older kernel
[19:44] <skjelmose> default sink: alsa_output.pci_8086_24c5_sound_card_0_alsa_playback_0
[19:44] <Mycroft_> I already tried to reinstall the latest kernel
[19:45] <Mycroft_> any other idea to try ?
[19:45] <skjelmose> how do i probe for sound hardware and modules - it must have detected it wrong?
[19:46] <Cycom> dtchen: where's that alsa-info.sh script?
[19:50] <jl_> Hellow, I upgraded to 9.04, but NetworkManager keeps telling me: 'Device not managed'
[19:50] <dtchen> Cycom: in the git repo for upstream ALSA - http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh
[19:50] <jl_> any id how I can enable networkmanager ?
[19:51] <dtchen> Cycom: note that it is a bash script, so if you invoke sh explicitly, either ensure that /bin/sh is bash or use bash explicitly
[19:54] <jl_> somebody ?
[19:54] <jl_> :x
[19:55] <penguin42> jl_: How is your device configured previously?
[19:55] <TheInfinity> jl_: look at network settings.
[19:55] <gavintlgold> anyone have any tips for installing a quickcam camera driver? It hasn't worked for a long time. same with jaunty
[19:55] <TheInfinity> gavintlgold: error message?
[19:56] <jl_> I should remove then from /etc/network/interfaces ?
[19:56] <skjelmose> I just want my damn sound back :D I cant rock to metallica now :-(
[19:56] <gavintlgold> TheInfinity: not really
[19:56] <weedar> gavintlgold: Don't they use the uvc-driver?
[19:56] <billybigrigger> whats up with firefox lately?
[19:56] <skjelmose> Yeah its buggy
[19:56] <billybigrigger> anyone else having problems with firefox hanging, going into the grey screen?
[19:56] <skjelmose> yes
[19:56] <billybigrigger> hmmm, you still using it?
[19:57] <skjelmose> billybigrigger yes but it uses alot of resources
[19:57] <gavintlgold> weedar: I don't know
[19:57] <jhjh> After upgrading from 8.10 -> 9.04 beta my nvidia driver is broken. Plus that when I press ctrl + alt + f2 I can't login. i type my username and password and ubuntu keep saying me "login icorrect"
[19:57] <billybigrigger> whats the best alternative to firefox? opera? like i want something fast, but has flash support, tabs,
[19:58]  * penguin42 wonders why Chrome is taking so long
[19:58] <weedar> gavintlgold: I just remember setting up a quickcam for notebooks pro, and it used the uvc driver. What is the full name of your webcam?
[19:59] <gavintlgold> weedar: I'm actually not sure, but I believe it is a logitech quickcam messenger
[19:59] <porter1> Is anything bad going to happen if I rip landscape-common out?
[19:59] <bruce89> billybigrigger: Epiphany, but it's currently Mozilla infested
[19:59] <gavintlgold> weedar: OR it's a quickcam web
[20:00] <billybigrigger> bruce89, what do you mean by that?
[20:00] <bruce89> billybigrigger: uses XULRunner
[20:01] <billybigrigger> well i think xulrunner is the culprit of my firefox hangings
[20:01] <billybigrigger> so that wont help me
[20:01] <billybigrigger> and npviewer.bin aswell
[20:02] <weedar> gavintlgold: It's been a while, but I think you should get some information from dmesg if you plug in the camera that will help you make sure which camera it is
[20:02] <penguin42> what type of hangs are you seeing?
[20:02] <billybigrigger> grey screen, constantly
[20:02] <billybigrigger> i always think its because of how many apps/terms i have open, but i have to tell myself its not
[20:03] <penguin42> for flash stuff that's not unusual, but outside of flash it's a bit odd - I've seen firefox being sluggish on jaunty but I think that was tracker-indexd eating my machine
[20:03] <weedar> gavintlgold: and you really should, because there are quite a few different drivers for different types of logitech cameras, I think some models even change the driver needed between versions
[20:03] <billybigrigger> npviewer.bin always crashes, but thats related to flashplugin-nonfree if im not mistaken
[20:03] <gavintlgold> weedar: it says "QuickCam USB camera found (driver version QuickCam USB 0.6.6"
[20:03] <penguin42> billisnice: It would be nice if it recovered better
[20:03] <billybigrigger> i will have tabs open that dont use flash and npviewer.bin still crashes FF
[20:04] <penguin42> billybigrigger: Hmm that's rarer I think
[20:04] <gavintlgold> weedar: [ 7614.834757] quickcam: QuickCam USB camera found (driver version QuickCam USB 0.6.6 $Date: 2006/11/04 08:38:14 $)
[20:04] <skjelmose> Solved it! Gosh volume control in gnome and turn up PCM
[20:04] <skjelmose> hehe damn I am a noob
[20:04]  * penguin42 wonders if there is any way to isolate what it is that causes my 'pop' sounds
[20:05] <billybigrigger> penguin42, i also thought that some of these crashes and hangs were due to my overclocking, but i think you have confirmed for me that its not just me
[20:05] <penguin42> billybigrigger: I've not had any widescale firefox crashes - but losing flash is normal for me
[20:06] <billybigrigger> penguin42, do you get the flash bug with the white window constantly? always having to restart firefox, and close the download window, and then going back to the site?
[20:07] <penguin42> billybigrigger: What tends to happen for me is it will work fine for a while and it'll stop - then I have to quit all firefox windows, and restart it
[20:07] <gavintlgold> weedar: basically, it's recognized by the kernel, but Ekiga, Skype, Cheese, gstreamer, etc don't see it as a camera
[20:07] <penguin42> just the flash that is
[20:07] <gavintlgold> weedar: it works as a microphone too, I believe
[20:07] <billybigrigger> yeah
[20:07] <billybigrigger> penguin42, i've had the problem since ibex
[20:08] <penguin42> billybigrigger: Always done it for me - way before ibex
[20:08] <weedar> gavintlgold: can you give me the relevant line of output if you run "lsusb"? You can pinpoint the model based on the device id
[20:08] <billybigrigger> penguin42, yup
[20:08] <weedar> gavintlgold: ok, so "lsmod" shows that the module for the webcam is loaded when you connect the webcam?
[20:08] <gavintlgold> weedar: Bus 002 Device 002: ID 046d:c317 Logitech, Inc.
[20:08] <penguin42> billybigrigger: But using native 64bit flash is worse for me - it tends to kill mozilla completely
[20:08] <billybigrigger> penguin42, do you know if the devs are making progress fixing this?
[20:08] <bruce89> why do people insist on calling it Ibex?
[20:08] <penguin42> billybigrigger: Don't know
[20:08] <penguin42> bruce89: It's shorter to type than interpid
[20:08] <billybigrigger> bruce89, quicker to type than intrepid :P
[20:08] <billybigrigger> hah
[20:08]  * penguin42 giggles
[20:09] <bruce89> I see
[20:09] <crdlb> I could understand doing that if it were something awesome like 'fawn'
[20:09] <bruce89> What about Karmic Koala?
[20:09] <crdlb> but ibex is boring
[20:09] <gavintlgold> weedar: sorry, i forgot to plug it in just now... one sec
[20:09] <billybigrigger> karmic
[20:09] <bruce89> ah
[20:09] <bruce89> but Koala is shorter
[20:09]  * billybigrigger thinks ibex sounds better than intrepid
[20:09] <gavintlgold> weedar: Bus 002 Device 007: ID 046d:0850 Logitech, Inc. QuickCam Web
[20:09] <gavintlgold> there you go
[20:10] <bruce89> it's not the apt name of course
[20:11] <penguin42> billybigrigger: It seems to me some flash is worse than others - it generall yseems I can watch youtube for quite a while, but if I switch to something else and back it can be broken
[20:11] <billybigrigger> penguin42, i find that too, almost seems that stayin at 1 site works no problem, its when you try to go from site a to site b that you get the white box crash
[20:11] <penguin42> nod
[20:11] <billybigrigger> you said 64bit too eh?
[20:11] <crdlb> billybigrigger: which devs? you realize flash is proprietary, right? :)
[20:12] <penguin42> billybigrigger: I used konqueror as a while for some flash sites, but Jaunty does seem better; there were some sites I just couldn't use in intrepid; yeh 64bit
[20:12] <penguin42> crdlb: But is it the commercial flash code that's broken?
[20:12] <billybigrigger> crdlb, so your saying there's nothing ubuntu dev's can do to fix it?
[20:12] <crdlb> penguin42: yes
[20:12] <crdlb> gecko is bad too, but flash is awful
[20:12] <billybigrigger> hmmm...
[20:12] <penguin42> crdlb: You're probably right, but there's no proof - and certainly a lot could be done to recover from it
[20:12] <crdlb> I want out-of-process plugins :(
[20:13] <crdlb> not when it's running in-process
[20:13] <penguin42> crdlb: That's what nspluginwrapper does
[20:13] <crdlb> yeah, but can you use it on 32bit? :)
[20:13] <penguin42> crdlb: I suspect that is doable
[20:13] <crdlb> and I'd prefer it integrated into webkit
[20:13] <penguin42> crdlb: Also I think maybe konqueror does it like that
[20:14] <crdlb> it does
[20:14] <puetzk> penguin42: it certainly used to (via nspluginviewer)
[20:14]  * penguin42 actually has a button on his panel that does a killall for nspluginwrapper :-)
[20:14] <crdlb> but that's not enough to make me use KDE :)
[20:14] <gavintlgold> weedar: so, anything you could do to help?
[20:14] <penguin42> crdlb: You don't have to switch wholesale to KDE to use konq
[20:14] <weedar> gavintlgold: Okay, so it's a Quickcam Web - which means you probably need the qc-usb driver
[20:14] <jhjh> After upgrading from 8.10 -> 9.04 beta my nvidia driver is broken. Plus that when I press ctrl + alt + f2 I can't login. i type my username and password and ubuntu keep saying me "login icorrect"
[20:14] <gavintlgold> weedar: I'm quite sure that's installed with synaptic
[20:15] <crdlb> penguin42: on 512MB of ram, I do
[20:15] <gavintlgold> weedar: qc-usb-source is installed
[20:15] <crdlb> anyway, I just use swfdec, which is enough for youtube
[20:15] <gavintlgold> weedar: should I restart since installing it? I haven't done that yet
[20:16] <crdlb> and I run a private instance of epiphany with MOZ_PLUGIN_PATH modified to use flash when I need it
[20:16] <billybigrigger> crdlb, swfdec pretty decent? whats the other option...
[20:16] <crdlb> it works for youtube and that's about it :>
[20:16] <billybigrigger> hmm
[20:16] <weedar> gavintlgold: shouldn't be necessary, but I've found a few links that imply you might need to patch the driver. See https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/134285 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qc-usb/+bug/213114
[20:16] <crdlb> and it has integrated flashblock, which is nice
[20:17] <crdlb> too bad we don't have a usable <video> tag, then I wouldn't need flash at all
[20:17] <billisnice> my update this afternoon were not good....lol
[20:17] <billisnice> updates
[20:18] <gavintlgold> weedar: ah, that's recent
[20:18] <gavintlgold> i've been looking at some, but they were old
[20:18] <josh-l> can i ask a kubuntu jaunty question in here?
[20:19] <penguin42> sure
[20:19] <DanaG> Anyone else here using the radeon open-source driver on R600?
[20:19] <josh-l> ok
[20:19] <DanaG> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_jRGruge4o   -- is this video glitchy for you?
[20:19] <josh-l> something is up with my window decorations, they look bad... i'll take a screenshot i cant explain it: http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/8439/snapshot1t.png
[20:20] <crdlb> josh-l: I don't see the problem
[20:20] <billybigrigger> josh-l, looks good here
[20:21] <billybigrigger> josh-l, only problem i see is that they're white :P but that's your preference :P
[20:21] <penguin42> yeh - looks OK here
[20:21] <josh-l> hmm really the window decs look like theyre not using full color or something
[20:21] <dejv_ntb> hello
[20:21] <josh-l> yeah see how the window decs are all dotty
[20:22] <billybigrigger> i dont see dots
[20:22] <dejv_ntb> how can I disable EHCI on current kernel with ehci_hcd compiled in?
[20:22] <josh-l> billybigrigger: on the very top... where it highlights
[20:23] <josh-l> crdlb: penguin42 look at the highlights on the window dec
[20:23] <billybigrigger> i see maybe 7-8 dots the left of "OVERVIEW"
[20:23] <billybigrigger> other than that, i can't see any dots
[20:23] <billybigrigger> my eyes must be fubar'd
[20:24] <josh-l> hehe
[20:24] <crdlb> I can't see any dots even with ezoom :)
[20:24] <Halow> I don't see dots. Just that gripper billybigrigger mentioned.
[20:24] <gavintlgold> weedar: the bug was supposedly fixed...
[20:24] <htrejh> hi
[20:24] <josh-l> what i guess i'm nuts
[20:24] <billybigrigger> josh-l, hey i think you are
[20:25] <josh-l> or maybe my screen settings are so messed up i see the dots even in the screenshot when you all dont
[20:25] <penguin42> josh-l: Well, it's possible your graphics card isn't displaying what the screenshot shows
[20:25] <crdlb> josh-l: maybe you're just using a low color depth?
[20:25] <penguin42> josh-l: Load the screenshot up and magnify it or move it about - do you still see the artifacts?
[20:25] <htrejh> jaunty has some strange bugs in gnome, the menus are too large (popup menus and menus from comboboxes too) and previews do not work in the gnome themeing utility, anyone has the same problem?
[20:26] <penguin42> htrejh: I haven't noticed any too-large menus - give me an example?
[20:26] <josh-l> penguin42: yeah i still see the dots
[20:26] <josh-l> crdlb: it seems exactly like that, that im using low color depth
[20:26] <josh-l> how can I check
[20:26] <penguin42> odd
[20:26] <htrejh> penguin42: the main gnome menus, but it's not too apparent, but for example comboboxes have left padding, strange
[20:26] <bruce89> htrejh: menus have been made bigger
[20:27] <bruce89> htrejh: it was a change in GTK+, and it's not a bug
[20:27] <htrejh> but what about the comboboxes items? its ugly
[20:27] <bruce89> GtkComboBox uses menus
[20:27] <crdlb> josh-l: does your xorg.conf say DefaultDepth 16?
[20:27] <htrejh> main menus are ok, but why having left padding in comboboxes?
[20:27] <htrejh> thats ugly and stupid
[20:27] <bruce89> feel free to file a bug at bugzilla.gnome.org
[20:28] <bruce89> htrejh: because of the way GtkComboBox works
[20:28] <crdlb> err, you don't like that there's a space for the icon?
[20:28] <htrejh> for example the user switch applet, there is empty space left of the items
[20:28] <josh-l> crdlb: no, but the xorg.confs are pretty empty these days, i forgot where but that info should be in other files
[20:28] <weedar> gavintlgold: It might be worth a shot to follow the Installation instructions from http://qce-ga.sourceforge.net/ to compile the module yourself
[20:28] <bruce89> htrejh: it was done to have space for an icon
[20:29] <crdlb> josh-l: it should use 24 if not specified there
[20:29] <billybigrigger> it isnt because of the menus, its the dpi being set to 96, which makes the menu's look bigger no?
[20:29] <crdlb> josh-l: you can check your /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[20:29] <josh-l> crdlb: ok its not specified
[20:29] <bruce89> billybigrigger: no, hang on
[20:29] <gavintlgold> weedar: i'll try that
[20:29] <htrejh> billybigrigger: no i changed the dpi to 96 and changed the font size like before
[20:30] <penguin42> thought font size was flipped back to 96 by default in the last update?
[20:30] <penguin42> sorry, dpi
[20:30] <bruce89> http://svn.gnome.org/viewvc/gtk%2B?view=revision&revision=21745
[20:30] <billybigrigger> penguin42, yes your correct
[20:30] <htrejh> bruce89: ok, but feels strange when its a menu without icons
[20:31] <bruce89> htrejh: less strange than have menus with icons and ones without look different
[20:31] <dejv_ntb> can somebody have a look at bug #342144 , please?
[20:32] <crdlb> htrejh: doesn't really seem like a big deal to me ...
[20:32] <htrejh> bruce89: dont you find the menu from the user switch applet strange?
[20:32] <bruce89> I find Ubuntu's changes to fusa strange
[20:32] <penguin42> htrejh: I dunno - it's nice they are kind of symmetric
[20:32] <htrejh> ok
[20:32] <josh-l> crdlb: I didnt see anything odd:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/139750/
[20:33] <htrejh> do you get icon theme previews on gnome? they do not work here!
[20:33]  * penguin42 would like to find the theme guys - I've got a tiny change I'd like to the themes to speed some stuff up
[20:33] <bruce89> I don't understand the extra padding on the right hand side
[20:34] <crdlb> josh-l: (==) intel(0): Depth 24
[20:34] <josh-l> crdlb: ok so i should be good?
[20:34] <crdlb> yeah :/
[20:35] <josh-l> okay i'm nuts then
[20:35] <penguin42> josh-l: Try looking at your screenshot on another machine; if you still see it then yes, you need a shrink rather than a computer guy :-)
[20:35] <josh-l> haha
[20:35] <josh-l> ok I will
[20:36] <penguin42> if not, it's still possible you have video card problems
[20:37] <Milos_SD> Where is the configuration file of Keyboard Preferences? :)
[20:37] <penguin42> Milos_SD: I suspect it's in gconf
[20:38] <josh-l> penguin42: in that case i would think the problem is with jaunty... since i just installed jaunty
[20:38] <penguin42> josh-l: Yeh - driver problems can make what appears on the display not match the contents of the video buffer (and hence screenshot)
[20:38] <penguin42> it's rare though
[20:38] <gavintlgold> weedar: all the compiles fail with error 2
[20:38]  * penguin42 had an ATI bug a few weeks ago that turned the entire screen into a checkerboard pattern - it was quite surreal - but the screenshot was fine
[20:38] <Milos_SD> penguin42, I need that option "Repeat" ... When it is turned on, I have bug in Wow using wine...
[20:39] <gavintlgold> weedar: patched or unpatched
[20:39] <penguin42> Milos_SD: SO why do you need to attack a config file rather than the tool - you want to script it?
[20:40] <Halow> Milos_SD: Just open System>Preferences>Keyboard. Untick the box for repeating.
[20:40] <Milos_SD> penguin42, I want to set it up as it is on my other PC that has Intrepid :)
[20:40] <gavintlgold> weedar: so that's about it... I suppose I could try restarting in case something was updated that needed a restart to go in effect..
[20:40] <penguin42> Milos_SD: Got you - of course it might be the interpretation of the setting that has changed rather than the change
[20:40] <weedar> gavintlgold: If you didn't get the CVS-version it might be a good idea to try that out. If the patch is very recent it might not be included in the "release"-version anyway
[20:40] <gavintlgold> weedar: i tried both
[20:40] <gavintlgold> same error
[20:40] <penguin42> Milos_SD: Most of the stuff is visible in gconf-editor - but be careful, you can break things in curious ways
[20:41] <weedar> gavintlgold: rebooting is probably futile, this isn't Windows :-)
[20:41] <gavintlgold> weedar: even if it's a kernel update?
[20:41] <gavintlgold> weedar: i haven't updated since I ran my first beta update
[20:42] <gavintlgold> weedar: scratch updated, replace with reboot
[20:42] <gavintlgold> ed
[20:42] <billybigrigger> can anyone point me to a newer/update howto on compiling my own kernel for an amd x2 5000, i found some but are pretty dated, like back to breezy/hoary
[20:42] <weedar> gavintlgold: do you have kernel-sources installed?
[20:44] <gavintlgold> weedar: sorry, what would the package name be?
[20:44] <gavintlgold> weedar: linux-source ?
[20:44] <weedar> gavintlgold: I think so. Either that or the linux-headers package corresponding to your kernel version
[20:45] <gavintlgold> i have the linux-headers package, but not linux-source
[20:45] <gavintlgold> i'll install linux-source
[20:46] <weedar> gavintlgold: I also belive you'll need the build-essential package. And of course gcc if you don't have it already
[20:46] <gavintlgold> i have build-essential
[20:47] <weedar> gavintlgold: If you still receive errors when compiling the module, paste the complete output to a pastebin
[20:50] <gavintlgold> weedar: http://pastebin.com/mbe256fb
[20:51] <gavintlgold> weedar: it might be that i should compile in another directory
[20:52] <weedar> gavintlgold: I doubt it, but I think I'm running out of good suggestions so feel free to try :/
[20:52] <ultratek> is the xorg-driver-fglrx currently being worked on for support with the hd 4850...becuase if i install this i cann not boot into ubuntu
[20:52] <gavintlgold> weedar: linux/config.h: No such file or directory
[20:53] <weedar> gavintlgold: Maybe this'll help - http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-kernel-70/removal-of-includelinuxconfig.h-file-in-2.6.19-kernel-506363/
[20:55] <mifritscher> hi
[20:56] <bluefoxicy> has anyone else noticed severel responsiveness issues under load?
[20:57] <bluefoxicy> my system refuses to respond A LOT when under minor load (tracker running, etc)
[20:57] <ultratek> well alot of well now apps dont work yet with 9.04 for me like blender and google earth5.0
[20:57] <ultratek> new*
[20:57] <penguin42> bluefoxicy: Yes - tracker really kills it though
[20:58] <penguin42> bluefoxicy: I think it's mostly when the disc is in heavy use
[20:58] <_VIM_2> ultratek: theres a googleearth 5 for linux now? O.o
[20:58] <bluefoxicy> penguin42:  this didn't happen in the last version
[20:58] <ultratek> yes
[20:58] <_VIM_2> nice
[20:59] <penguin42> bluefoxicy: Are you sure ? I remember for at least 2 versions tracker making the machine unusable in the betas
[20:59] <bluefoxicy> penguin42:  it doesn't take tracker
[20:59] <bluefoxicy> anything mildly fondling the hard disk will cause xchat/pidgin/gnome-terminal to constantly freeze, and then come back later.
[20:59] <penguin42> bluefoxicy: I didn't find it that bad - but firefox was really struggingly when tracker was running
[21:00] <_VIM_2> i think there's a way to set tracker to only run when the system isnt under heavy loads
[21:01] <bluefoxicy> _VIM_2: doesn't help
[21:01] <_VIM_2> :(
[21:01] <_VIM_2> maybe someone posted a bug then :)
[21:01] <bluefoxicy> right now X isn't updating unless I alt-tab betweenwindows.
[21:02] <mifritscher> are there any changes to get ntfs-3g 2008.03.8 into jaunty? it has a couple of important bugfixes
[21:02] <penguin42> _VIM_2: The problem is it's an odd type of load - seaking all of the disc really kills flat out performance
[21:02] <ultratek> is the xorg-driver-fglrx currently being worked on for support with the hd 4850...because if i install this i can not boot into ubuntu
[21:03] <DanaG> err:module:load_builtin_dll failed to load .so lib for builtin L"winealsa.drv": /usr/bin/../lib32/wine/winealsa.drv.so: symbol snd_pcm_forward, version ALSA_0.9.0rc8 not defined in file libasound.so.2 with link time reference
[21:03] <DanaG> err:module:load_builtin_dll failed to load .so lib for builtin L"wineesd.drv": /usr/lib32/libesd.so.0: symbol snd_pcm_hw_params_set_rate_near, version ALSA_0.9.0rc4 not defined in file libasound.so.2 with link time reference
[21:06] <DanaG> So, I have no sound in Wine.
[21:06] <DanaG> =(
[21:07] <dan457> I've had sound issues with wine for a wile.  More worried about the problem i'm having with the nvidia driver though... I can run wow.exe once then i'm screwed till I reboot.
[21:08] <dan457> Not feeling brave enough to try the newer on on nvidia's site yet.
[21:09] <hior> Just installed beta, when i try to add show desktop widget i get: This object could not be created for the following reason: Could not find reuested component: showdesktop
[21:09] <DanaG> Yeah, non-packaged ones tend to break stuff.
[21:09] <dan457> Besides kinda ruins testing the one that comes with jaunty
[21:19] <diablo>  ok i just re-installed ubunto 8.10 and completely wiped xp on my acer aspire one d150 and havent had sound i tried just about everything my sound works only on my headphones :(
[21:20] <diablo> can anyone help?
[21:20] <penguin42> you say 8.10?
[21:20] <TheInfinity> diablo: -> #ubuntu ?
[21:20] <bluefoxicy> turn your pcm up
[21:20] <diablo> yes 8.10
[21:20] <weedar> gavintlgold: Had any luck?
[21:20] <ikonia> diablo: #ubuntu is the correct channel
[21:21] <bluefoxicy> open the volume control (double click it) and check your master/wav/pcm/etc etc etc
[21:21] <gavintlgold> weedar: nope
[21:21] <uffo> can someone give me correct samba.deb pack that enables that folder sharing in jaunty beta
[21:21] <gavintlgold> weedar: I've gone through this every time I try a new release
[21:21] <gavintlgold> weedar: what I need to do is get another webcam... this one's horrible anyway
[21:21] <bluefoxicy> uffo:  you can't just start sharing folders and it installs for you?
[21:21] <gavintlgold> weedar: even on windows
[21:21] <diablo> i type alsamyxer on terminal and evrythhing is turned up but no succes :(
[21:22] <ShinyLego> Hello!
[21:22] <penguin42> hi
[21:22] <ShinyLego> I having problems logging in after installing Kubuntu 9.04 beta.  The Login screen comes up and I type everything in and then it goes black for a few seconds then goes straight back to the login screen.  So, whats qrong with it?
[21:22] <uffo> bluefoxicy: i want offline deb like i had on 8.10 so it is possible but where i can get correct deb
[21:23] <penguin42> ShinyLego: Sounds like a graphics driver problem or the like? What's your graphic card?
[21:23] <ShinyLego> Um
[21:23] <weedar> gavintlgold: Sounds like a plan, the money it costs will be worth the grief you'll avoid :-)
[21:23] <penguin42> ok, can you login to it somehow?
[21:23] <ShinyLego> well, I dont think thats it because it just goes back to the log in screen again
[21:24] <ShinyLego> I dont know how I could
[21:24] <penguin42> ShinyLego: Well OK, you could try seeing if Gnome or one of the other desktops help - you could check in /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old to see if there are any X crash messages
[21:25] <ShinyLego> I've tried booting  it up in kde, gnome and regular kwin or whatever
[21:26] <ShinyLego> So, theres no other way I can log into it?
[21:26] <penguin42> well, try hitting ctrl-alt-f1 and see if you get a textual console
[21:27] <ShinyLego> ok
[21:27] <uffo> can someone give me correct samba.deb pack that enables that folder sharing in jaunty beta.
[21:29] <ShinyLego> ok, i did that, now what?
[21:29] <penguin42> ShinyLego: Have you managed to log in there?
[21:29] <LordKenTheGreat> Hello.
[21:29] <LordKenTheGreat> I have a problem with the Jaunty Firefox/Xulrunner package.
[21:31] <ShinyLego> ok, i lodgged in in the text mode, but how do I log into my actual desktop from there?
[21:32] <penguin42> ShinyLego: Ah well, the challenge is to find out why your regular desktop breaks - can you copy your /var/log/Xorg0.log.old to somewhere we can all see it?
[21:32] <LordKenTheGreat> I have filed a bug report here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xulrunner-1.9/+bug/350584 .
[21:33] <ShinyLego> I dont know what that is or how to do that, I am a noob
[21:33] <penguin42> ShinyLego: OK, so probably best not to try Beta's unless you know how to recover from these types of things!
[21:33] <ShinyLego> =C
[21:33] <penguin42> ShinyLego: Can you type lspci|grep -i vga   and tell me what it says
[21:35] <danbeck> So, I
[21:36] <danbeck> So, I'm up to date as far as 1 hour ago with 9.04.  The sound still doesn't work on my Dell Mini 9 with the netbook remix.  Is there any info about this issue I can read?
[21:37] <penguin42> danbeck: I don't know - have you checked launchpad?
[21:37] <LordKenTheGreat> Does anyone know why Firefox is broken out of the box?
[21:37] <penguin42> LordKenTheGreat: Define broken?
[21:37] <ikonia> LordKenTheGreat: I don't think it is
[21:37] <ikonia> LordKenTheGreat: it's been working fine for me
[21:37] <LordKenTheGreat> It fails to start.
[21:37] <penguin42> doesn't here - what error do you get?
[21:38] <LordKenTheGreat> I even tried to update.
[21:38] <LordKenTheGreat> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xulrunner-1.9/+bug/350584
[21:38] <LordKenTheGreat> Here.
[21:38] <mister_roboto> LordKenTheGreat: i have seen that behavior on windows when there was one running in the background that failed to shut down properly
[21:38] <mister_roboto> LordKenTheGreat: are you sure there isn't one already running?
[21:38] <LordKenTheGreat> I'm sure.
[21:38] <ikonia> LordKenTheGreat: if you do "ps -ef | grep firefox" do you see a process ?
[21:39] <ikonia> LordKenTheGreat: also , what happens if you launch it form a terminal ?
[21:39] <LordKenTheGreat> ikonia: Just the ps process.
[21:39] <ikonia> LordKenTheGreat: ok, so there isn't a process running, how about from the command prompt ?
[21:39] <ikonia> (from a shell)
[21:39] <LordKenTheGreat> And I get no output from the terminal.
[21:40] <mister_roboto> LordKenTheGreat: how about if you remove ~/.mozilla
[21:40] <mister_roboto> LordKenTheGreat: sometimes corrupted configs can cause a process to abort on startup
[21:40] <LordKenTheGreat> No dice.
[21:40] <penguin42> hmm thats very odd
[21:40] <LordKenTheGreat> I tried updating the package, and there's a problem with xulrunner.
[21:41] <penguin42> problem? What does the problem say
[21:41] <ikonia> LordKenTheGreat: no output at all ? foes it return back to a command prompt ot not give the prompt back ?
[21:41] <LordKenTheGreat> It returns to the prompt.
[21:42] <ikonia> LordKenTheGreat: with no other output ?
[21:42] <LordKenTheGreat> No other output.
[21:42] <ikonia> most odd
[21:42] <penguin42> LordKenTheGreat: I'd uninstall all xulrunner, mozilla, firefox etc packages and reinstall them
[21:42]  * LordKenTheGreat will attach output from apt.
[21:43] <mister_roboto> LordKenTheGreat: did you try removing (or renaming)  ~/.mozilla?
[21:43] <LordKenTheGreat> mister_roboto: Yes.
[21:43] <LordKenTheGreat> If I remove xulrunner, I remove a whole lot of other stuff...
[21:44] <LordKenTheGreat> How do I just remove that package?
[21:44] <LordKenTheGreat> And I tried running xulrunner standalone.
[21:45] <LordKenTheGreat> Bus error (core dumped)
[21:45] <ikonia> whoaaaa
[21:45] <ikonia> sounds like there is more going on on your box
[21:45] <LordKenTheGreat> What do you mean?
[21:45] <LordKenTheGreat> It's a fresh install.
[21:45] <ikonia> so ?
[21:46] <ikonia> if your getting coredumps that doesn't sound like a nice setup
[21:46]  * irunongames is away: Gone away for now
[21:46] <ikonia> !away > irunongames
[21:48]  * LordKenTheGreat is getting fustrated.
[21:48] <LordKenTheGreat> Can I just remove xulrunner and reinstall without wiping out the  other packages?
[21:48] <crdlb> a bus error is just a lower level segfault basically
[21:48] <mister_roboto> crdlb: not really... can be just a data alignment issue
[21:49] <danbeck> k, no bugs have been reported.
[21:49] <crdlb> sure
[21:49] <danbeck> Was working in 8.04 and quite a few sound kernel modules are loaded.
[21:49] <crdlb> but it's lower level in the sense that the kernel doesn't catch it
[21:50] <mister_roboto> catch?
[21:50] <danbeck> lol, this is sad.  If this were a server install, I could fix anything.  I know zilch about getting a desktop running.
[21:50] <dupondje> Can I get ident running in WINE ?
[21:51] <mister_roboto> crldlb: the kernel passes the signal to the process like any other signal. what do you mean catch it? do you consider SIGUSR1 a higher level segfault or something?
[21:52] <mister_roboto> crdlb: just curious what you meant
[21:52] <penguin42> crdlb: There's very little difference between bus error and segfault; in both cases the kernel may fix them up for some things
[21:52] <crdlb> :/ I just meant it's a bug in the program that was caught in a different place
[21:53] <LordKenTheGreat> Note: A vanilla Firefox tarball from Mozilla runs perfectly.
[21:53] <mister_roboto> LordKenTheGreat: what kinda cpu are you on?
[21:53] <LordKenTheGreat> P4.
[21:53] <penguin42> LordKenTheGreat: One of your package installs must be borked
[21:53] <danbeck> ok, so no bugs abound sound not working for the netbook remix.  Can anyone help me figure out how to trouble shoot this?   What can I check to see what may be going on?
[21:53]  * LordKenTheGreat is reinstalling xulrunner.
[21:54] <LordKenTheGreat> danbeck: alsamixer?
[21:54] <LordKenTheGreat> Check if that works.
[21:55] <penguin42> danbeck: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting?action=show&redirect=DebuggingSoundProblems
[21:55] <danbeck> thanks, I'll read that
[21:57] <LordKenTheGreat> And firefox is alive!
[21:58] <danbeck> That document was very helpul and the problem is fixed.
[21:58] <danbeck> Thanks a lot penguin42
[21:58] <penguin42> no problem - what was it in the end?
[21:58] <LordKenTheGreat> Thank you for helping me fix the xulrunner problem!
[21:58] <penguin42> LordKenTheGreat: What was it?
[21:58] <LordKenTheGreat> I have firefox up and running now.
[21:59] <LordKenTheGreat> Reinstall xulrunner.
[21:59] <danbeck> Master volume was fine and set correctly, but the external speaker problem was all the way down.  I wonder if it's a bug with the initial settings.  Beyond the keyboard volume control, I haven't set anything.
[21:59] <danbeck> In the end, it looks like a pebkac problem, but it was the default after the installed
[21:59] <penguin42> danbeck: Nod
[21:59] <danbeck> which, ain't right....
[22:00] <LordKenTheGreat> This is why I like testing betas.
[22:00] <LordKenTheGreat> It's a learning experience.
[22:01] <danbeck> gonna submit a usability bug just in case
[22:02]  * LordKenTheGreat installs Enigform and FireGPG now.
[22:03] <LordKenTheGreat> And the problem resurfaces.
[22:04] <LordKenTheGreat> "Couldn't load XPCOM"
[22:04] <penguin42> what did you do to get rid of it before?
[22:04] <LordKenTheGreat> And I think I know why...
[22:05] <LordKenTheGreat> A stinking piece of proprietary software.
[22:05] <LordKenTheGreat> AKA, the package for my eToken.
[22:05] <LordKenTheGreat> LibNSS glitches.
[22:06] <LordKenTheGreat> I guess is .so hell for me.
[22:07] <penguin42> you have a thing for getting to signed websites or something?
[22:08] <LordKenTheGreat> I use an eToken.
[22:08] <penguin42> eToken?
[22:08] <LordKenTheGreat> And the debian package breaks xulrunner with an nss conflict.
[22:08] <LordKenTheGreat> It's a hardware encryption device.
[22:08] <penguin42> ah
[22:08] <LordKenTheGreat> USB smartcard.
[22:09] <LordKenTheGreat> The disadvantages of proprietary software.
[22:09] <penguin42> nod
[22:10] <LordKenTheGreat> The deb has its own versions of nss.
[22:10]  * LordKenTheGreat has to give up his eToken support in order to get Firefox working.
[22:10] <kristian_> i was just wondering if anyone has tested jaunty on a laptop, and burnt a data dvd with brasero/k3b and if verification is successful. :-)
[22:11] <penguin42> kristian_: It would be unusual for laptops in general to be a problem for something like that - one in particular or all burning to be broken
[22:12] <kristian_> penguin42 : the problem is that brasero/k3b try to eject tray to clear cache, while laptops have a non motorized tray, both programs can not call back tray.
[22:13] <penguin42> haha that's funny
[22:13] <kristian_> did i say something stupid? :-)
[22:13] <penguin42> no, I take my comment about 'unusual for laptops' back
[22:15] <kristian_> i see that jaunty will come with a much more updated version of brasero and i had a talk with the author and he said the issues should be better now, 8.10 can only get 0.8.2 brasero via repo.
[22:16] <kristian_> so if anyone has tested and it works. then yay! :-P
[22:17] <scream> What is the best desktop application that looks good, and reveals much information about cpu, bandwidth, thruput, diskspace, et cetera?
[22:17] <Halow> Conky?
[22:17] <crdlb> conky meets all requirements except for the first :)
[22:17] <penguin42> kristian_: Well, I can try it if you want - I've got a spare DVD+RW
[22:18] <Halow> Conky can look really good! ;)
[22:18] <scream> So just, apt-get conky and I'll have a full configured (or mostly configured) desktop application that will do all this?
[22:18] <kristian_> penguin42 : only if you have time/can be bothered. no stress. :-)
[22:18] <penguin42> kristian_: So the test is burn a cd with brasero?
[22:18] <Halow> scream: It's scriptable. You can look around the forums. There's at least one massive "post your conky script and screenshot" thread.
[22:19] <scream> k
[22:19] <kristian_> penguin42 : basically yes, burning a cd/dvd with brasero and see if brasero is able to clear cache without ejecting tray, or giving an option for user to insert tray manually and then clicking "continue" to verify. or something along those lines.
[22:20] <penguin42> kristian_: OK, are there any options I need to check before I tell it to burn?
[22:22] <kristian_> penguin42 : there is an option after you have added files to burn and click "burn" you can check out "properties" and deselect "eject tray". since i hopefully brasero should be able to clear cache and manage to verify without ejecting tray. at least that is what i hope.
[22:24] <vistakiller> geia
[22:25] <penguin42> kristian_: OK so you want me to deselect eject-after-burning and hope it should all just work ?
[22:25] <josh-l> hey anyone know how to get rid of the damnable bean on the top right corner of the desktop that just reapeared in jaunty?
[22:25] <vistakiller> ops sorry wrong chat
[22:25] <josh-l> kde
[22:27] <penguin42> kristian_: Well, it says success
[22:30] <kristian_> penguin42 : good! :-) thanks!
[22:31] <penguin42> kristian_: Although I had a different problem - it didn't really want to eject
[22:31] <kristian_> penguin42 : well, didnt you deselect eject tray?
[22:31] <penguin42> yeh, but I mean after I finished
[22:32] <penguin42> I did an erase and then tried to eject and it wouldn't eject
[22:33] <kristian_> penguin42 : ah! hmmm, that setting only effects that it shouldnt eject inbetween burning/verification. after both are done, you can just manually open tray?
[22:33] <kristian_> :-)
[22:33] <penguin42> it didn't want to
[22:33] <penguin42> it eventually did after much prodding - I thought I'd have to attack it with a paperclip
[22:33] <kristian_> :-P
[22:33] <kristian_> oh!
[22:33] <exco> is there a bug in network manager, that the manual settings don't get applied?
[22:34] <kristian_> maybe it was still verifying?
[22:34] <penguin42> no, don't think so - it had finished, said it was ok, then I got on did an erase, it seemed happy with that
[22:37] <kristian_> hmmm.
[22:37] <kristian_> at least it manages to verify properly now.
[22:37] <penguin42> nod
[22:37] <Ienorand> exco: something like bug 284377
[22:38] <kristian_> one step further in the right direction, once jaunty becomes widespread im sure some smaller bugs will come, but its better than before. :-) thanks for testing.
[22:39] <Ienorand> exco: here is further discussions and ways to disable net-manager to make things work http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=963335&page=1
[22:46] <TheFuzzball> How do I log in to my Ubuntu box from Windows when my Ubuntu does not use SSH/Telnet?
[22:48] <RAOF> TheFuzzball: VNC?
[22:48] <RAOF> But you'll need to set it up, obviously.
[22:48] <XenoPhoenix> TheFuzzball, With difficult, VNC would be your best bet or but a sshd or telnetd on the Ubuntu box.
[22:48] <XenoPhoenix> put*
[22:48] <XenoPhoenix> as RAOF says though you'll need to setup VNC too.
[22:49] <TheFuzzball> I don't have access to the box :(
[22:49] <TheFuzzball> So I can't install anything on it :D
[22:49] <XenoPhoenix> Then you might be in trouble, someone else might have ideas but I think you might be stuck there :)
[22:50] <TheFuzzball> Oh well, I will have to kick my sister off it then :D
[22:50]  * irunongames is back.
[23:01] <Megarain> Any fixes for the random lack of pidgin nofitications?
[23:02] <nacho> is anybody able to reproduce this bug?
[23:02] <nacho> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=576766
[23:02]  * penguin42 looks
[23:03] <Megarain> Unable to test ATM, will try to take a look when I get a chance
[23:03] <penguin42> nacho: I don't seem to have a 'draw spaces' in the preferences->plugins tab
[23:03] <nacho> penguin42, install gedit-plugins packages
[23:05] <penguin42> nacho: Hmm it's not quite repeatable
[23:06] <rww> nacho: I just reproduced it.
[23:06] <nacho> rww, did you? so you just pressed in the configure dialog and it crashed?
[23:06] <httpdss> hi! ...i upgraded a time ago from intrepid to jaunty and very pleased about it. i need some feedback on the bootchart im getting cuz i feel i'm getting lots of processes on the boot process that dont have to be there. here is the image taken from bootchart http://img3.imagebanana.com/view/ck917alb/ktopjaunty200903286.png ... any suggestions to reduce boot time
[23:06] <httpdss> ?
[23:06] <penguin42> nacho: Yes  but not every time
[23:06] <rww> nacho: pressed the first textbox and it crashed, yes
[23:07] <XenoPhoenix> Megarain, Not experiancing that at the moment?
[23:07] <nacho> weird, could you attach your backtraces?
[23:07] <nacho> to the bug
[23:07] <Megarain> Experiancing what?
[23:07] <XenoPhoenix> Megarain, lack of pidgin notifications
[23:07] <Megarain> Expereincing currenctly.
[23:07] <nacho> and could you put which plugins do you have activated?
[23:08] <Megarain> All plugins are set to default.
[23:08] <nacho> ah! and the version of your packages, gedit, gedit-plugins and gtksourceview
[23:08] <penguin42> ok
[23:09] <rww> nacho: I don't have debug symbol packages installed, and my connection sucks right now, so no. Sorry :(
[23:09] <nacho> I'm wondering why I can't reproduce here
[23:09] <Megarain> Nacho, you're not talking to me, are you.
[23:09] <nacho> Megarain, no
[23:10] <Megarain> Didn't think so. Sorry for any confusion caused.
[23:10] <httpdss> oh and by the way, can anyone explain me why i get a process called "collector" after the "init" process, and most of the charts i see have busybox :S is that a migration problem ?
[23:11] <rww> httpdss: I have both of those processes on a fresh Beta install =/
[23:12] <rww> dunno what collector is, but busybox is the shell used during init, I think
[23:12] <penguin42> nacho: There you go, comment and backtrace added
[23:12] <httpdss> rww, can you upload your bootchart so i can compare it with a fresh install ??
[23:12] <rww> httpdss: oh, collector is a bootchart process
[23:12] <nacho> great, thanks penguin42
[23:15]  * httpdss is wondering why busybox doesnt show up
[23:15] <rww> httpdss: http://imagebin.org/43501 is the first one I have. I think the only thing I'd done at that point is install boinc-client, so apart from that, it should be vanilla.
[23:15] <httpdss> rww, great thx !
[23:16] <rww> oh, wait, I don't have busybox on there. I was thinking of another bootchart.
[23:16] <rww> I guess fresh Beta doesn't have busybox. collector is there, though, obviously.
[23:16] <httpdss> rww, 16 seconds !!! i'm way away from that :S
[23:17] <rww> httpdss: It was down to 12 seconds with 2.6.29 a few days ago :)
[23:17] <thiebaude> i cant wait until bug 304871 is fixed
[23:17] <penguin42> thiebaude: I haven't had that one - but I have had a bunch of weird X crashes
[23:18] <thiebaude> penguin42: do you have an intel graphics card
[23:18] <penguin42> nod, 945
[23:18] <thiebaude> i have the old i815
[23:19] <httpdss> rww, damn it gotta put some hands on the boot process ... are you using ext4 on that computer ??
[23:19] <rww> httpdss: with the 2.6.29 one, yes. With the one whose bootchart I just gave you, no.
[23:48] <scream> Has the fglrx (ati) issue been fixed in Jaunty yet?
[23:56] <crdlb> scream: there is a working fglrx for r600 and r700
[23:57] <scream> k