[00:00] <J_Litewski> my best guess is X runs off the kernel
[00:01] <J_Litewski> because it didn't touch xorg.conf when i restarted
[00:01] <TheSheep> it doesn't touch it, it only reads from it, and uses defaults if it's empty
[00:01] <J_Litewski> ah
[00:02] <J_Litewski> it doesn't write the defults to the file?
[00:02] <Brandon_X_Fox> hello all
[00:02] <J_Litewski> ello
[00:02] <Brandon_X_Fox> How do i upgrade from pidgin 2.5.2 to 2.5.5
[00:02] <Brandon_X_Fox> I'm kind of a noob on linux
[00:05] <pgar> Can anyone offer advice on a slow ethernet connection between my Linux box and the DSL router/Internet? Was running at ~300kbps and now is at 45kbps...
[00:23] <sdf2> apt-get update pidgin?
[00:34] <J_Litewski> how can i check to see what type of video card I have?
[00:44] <TheSheep> J_Litewski: lspci | grep VGA
[00:44] <J_Litewski> ty
[00:44] <J_Litewski> it says i have an SiS driver
[00:46]  * TheSheep hates SiS cards, I had a lot of trouble with them
[00:47] <J_Litewski> it's a Dell
[00:48] <J_Litewski> how do you do options in xorg.conf?
[00:48] <J_Litewski> more accurately, how do you format xorg.conf with options for drivers?
[01:17] <b0rked> I have an error that's keeping me from getting to the login screen: /usr/bin/ck-launch-session: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libgthread-2.0.so.0: undefined symbol: g_thread_use_default_i(unreadable character)pl
[01:17] <b0rked> What does it mean? And how do I fix it?
[01:24] <b0rked> I have an error that's keeping me from getting to the login screen: /usr/bin/ck-launch-session: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libgthread-2.0.so.0: undefined symbol: g_thread_use_default_i(unreadable character)pl
[01:32] <cody-somerville> b0rked, hmm... have you tried manually upgrading parts of your system or something?
[01:32] <lukinfore> hi
[01:32] <cody-somerville> Hi lukinfore
[01:32] <lukinfore> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/exo/+bug/195649
[01:32] <lukinfore> was that fixed for jaunty?
[01:33]  * cody-somerville takes a look.
[01:35] <b0rked> cody-somerville: sorry for the delay, I've been dusting off Ye Olde Commande Line Skylles.
[01:36] <cody-somerville> lukinfore, It appears so
[01:37] <lukinfore> well, still affects me
[01:38] <cody-somerville> file a bug :)
[01:38] <b0rked> Alternately, where does Ubuntu mount USB flash drives?
[01:40] <cody-somerville> Usually under /media/
[01:42] <b0rked> It isn't.
[01:42] <cody-somerville> Can you pastebin the output of mount ?
[01:44] <b0rked> cody-somerville: No, because that's on another computer. What should I look for?
[01:44] <cody-somerville> For where your usb flash drive is mounted
[01:46] <b0rked> It lists a folder - /dev/sda1 - which I can't access.
[01:47] <b0rked> It says it's not a folder.
[01:47] <cody-somerville> /dev/sda1 is the device
[01:47] <cody-somerville> And I imagine it is your hd and not your usb thumb drive
[01:47] <cody-somerville> are you on a desktop or a laptop?
[01:48] <CloseYetFar> usb drives are ussally /dev/sdb1
[01:48] <b0rked> I'm on a laptop. The other (broken) computer is a laptop.
[01:48] <b0rked> CloseYetFar:You're right. It's not working either, though.
[01:49] <CloseYetFar> your just trying to mount a flash drive?
[01:49] <b0rked> I'm trying to copy a file to it.
[01:50] <CloseYetFar> what out put do you get with the "mount" command
[01:50] <b0rked> A lot of things that aren't sdb1.
[01:50] <gorgut> cd ~/Desktop && mkdir flash && sudo mount /dev/sda1 ~/Desktop/flash
[01:50] <gorgut> maybe?
[01:51] <CloseYetFar> run fdisk -l and see if you see the flash drive at all
[01:52] <b0rked> Cannot open /dev/sda
[01:52] <b0rked> Cannot open /dev/sdb
[01:53] <gorgut> b0rked, when you do "df -h" do you see your flash drive listed there?
[01:53] <CloseYetFar> ussally it gets mounted to /media i think
[01:53] <CloseYetFar> well somewhere in /media
[01:53] <gorgut> CloseYetFar, yeah, most of the time /media/disc
[01:53] <b0rked> It's not there.
[01:54] <gorgut> err maybe it's /media/disk
[01:54] <gorgut> b0rked, do "lsusb" and see if you see it in that list
[01:54] <b0rked> It's not listed under df. It is, however, under LSUSB.
[01:54] <gorgut> b0rked, what do you see when you do "ls /media/"
[01:55] <CloseYetFar> run fdisk -l and tell me what /dev files are listed
[01:56] <b0rked> Here's something interesting: In a terminal I was ignoring, I got the following when the drive was plugged in: sd 3:0:0:0 : [sdb] Assuming drive cache: Write through
[01:56] <gorgut> do you see anything about it when you do a dmesg tail?
[01:57] <CloseYetFar> cd ~/Desktop && mkdir flash && sudo mount /dev/sdb1 ~/Desktop/flash
[01:57] <CloseYetFar> try that
[01:57] <gorgut> makes sense
[01:59] <b0rked> CloseYetFar: Worked!
[01:59] <CloseYetFar> lol
[02:00] <gorgut> helps if you specify the correct device, eh?
[02:00] <CloseYetFar> cool
[02:02] <b0rked> Copy works like this, yes? cp (old file location) (new file)
[02:02] <gorgut> find the file you want, then do "cp (filename) ~/Desktop/flash"
[02:03] <gorgut> that will put it on the flashdrive.. unless you want it in a folder on the flashdrive or something
[02:03] <CloseYetFar> yea
[02:04] <CloseYetFar> to copy dirs with files in it use the -R flag
[02:06] <gorgut> b0rked, before you take the flashdrive out, i would advise unmounting it with "sudo umount /dev/sdb1"
[02:06] <CloseYetFar> o well
[02:06] <gorgut> or not :p
[02:06] <CloseYetFar> lol
[02:07] <J_Litewski> how would you mount the cd drive?
[02:07] <J_Litewski> sudo mount /dev/cdrom?
[02:07] <gorgut> sure
[02:07] <J_Litewski> since Jaunty is acting retarded and not automounting
[02:08] <CloseYetFar> you guys are all running the beta?
[02:08] <gorgut> heh, i'm still in intrepid
[02:09] <CloseYetFar> yea i only upgrade when i have too
[02:09] <gorgut> well, technically, you never HAVE to :P
[02:09] <J_Litewski> Intrepid had some issues with my lappy
[02:09] <CloseYetFar> when 9.04 comes out will it come out with LTS
[02:09] <gorgut> works great on my lappy
[02:09] <CloseYetFar> if its not broken dont fix it
[02:11] <J_Litewski> trying to mount the CD-rom drive errors out
[02:11] <gorgut> what error do you get?
[02:12] <J_Litewski> mount: no medium found on /dev/sr0
[02:12] <gorgut> do you have a cd in there?
[02:12] <CloseYetFar> try "mount /dev/hda1 /media/cdrom"
[02:12] <J_Litewski> i have a dvd
[02:12] <gorgut> oh
[02:12] <gorgut> well then, try sudo mount /dev/dvd
[02:12] <gorgut> use tab completion on that dvd part
[02:13] <J_Litewski> no media
[02:13] <J_Litewski> i'm going to try a PS2 disc
[02:14] <J_Litewski> since that uses the same fs as cd-roms
[02:14] <CloseYetFar> do "cat /etc/fstab" and look for cdrom or dvd or something
[02:16] <J_Litewski> i tried sudo mount /dev/scd0, and stll got nothing
[02:17] <CloseYetFar> what about sudo mount /dev/hda1
[02:18] <J_Litewski> i dont have a hda1
[02:18] <J_Litewski> i have a sda1 though
[02:19] <CloseYetFar> will it mount with the gui at all
[02:19] <J_Litewski> it's already mounted
[02:20] <CloseYetFar> to what dir
[02:20] <J_Litewski> to /
[02:20] <CloseYetFar> is this a live cd
[02:20] <J_Litewski> no
[02:21] <CloseYetFar> can you paste the output to "df -h"
[02:23] <gorgut_AFK> df -h isn't going to show it since it's not mounted
[02:23] <CloseYetFar> he just said it was mounted lol
[02:23] <gorgut_AFK> oh
[02:23] <gorgut_AFK> nm then :p
[02:23] <gorgut_AFK> wait
[02:23] <gorgut_AFK> he said /sda1 is. that's the hd
[02:23] <gorgut_AFK> not the dvdrom
[02:24] <gorgut_AFK> you have to specify a mount location.. i like putting those kinda things on the desktop, but that's just me..
[02:25] <gorgut_AFK> cd ~/Desktop && mkdir DVD && sudo mount /dev/scd0 ~/Desktop/DVD
[02:25] <gorgut_AFK> should get you close
[02:25] <gorgut_AFK> ok.. actually afk this time.
[02:25] <gorgut_AFK> bbl
[02:28] <CloseYetFar> look in your /etc/fstab for a line like this
[02:29] <CloseYetFar> /dev/hdc        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 user,noauto     0       0
[02:29] <CloseYetFar> /dev/hdd        /media/cdrom1   udf,iso9660 user,noauto     0       0
[02:29] <CloseYetFar> or /media/dvd
[02:29] <J_Litewski> the /media/cdrom0 is there
[02:30] <CloseYetFar> nothing else?
[02:30] <J_Litewski> it just didn't make an icon on the desktop
[02:30] <CloseYetFar> what /dev/ is before the /media/cdrom0
[02:31] <J_Litewski> /dev/scd0
[02:33] <CloseYetFar> do "mount /media/cdrom0" then go to /media/cdrom0 to see if there is anything there
[02:33] <J_Litewski> only thing is, it says the DVD inserted is 19Gb big
[02:33] <J_Litewski> i'm thinking the CD-rom drive is bad
[02:33] <CloseYetFar> can you use a normal dvd
[02:33] <CloseYetFar> do dmesg
[02:34] <J_Litewski> it's a CD-r/rw and DVD-rom
[02:35] <J_Litewski> ok, what should I look for in dmesg?
[02:37] <CloseYetFar> take the disk out and put it back in then try to mount it, "mount /dev/scd0" then run dmesg and see it the bottom most messages give you any clues
[02:40] <J_Litewski> nothing
[02:40] <CloseYetFar> hmm im really not sure
[02:41] <J_Litewski> people have been having problems with drives mounting lately
[02:42] <CloseYetFar> yea its pretty common
[03:13] <J_Litewski> can i safely get rid of the bluetooth packages if my computer doesn't support bluetooth
[03:24] <forces> o7
[03:43] <J_Litewski> closeyetfar: do you have GRUB2?
[03:53] <CloseYetFar> nope
[03:53] <CloseYetFar> grub --version
[03:53] <CloseYetFar> grub (GNU GRUB 0.97)
[07:43] <nano_> I freshly installed Xubuntu 8.10 on my desktop, but I'm having trouble getting a resolution higher than 800x600 with nvidia accelerated graphics driver...any help?
[07:45] <nano_> Card is an FX 5500...
[08:29] <sdf2> set your resolution in nvidia x server settings
[08:30] <sdf2> then update your xorg.conf with the nvidia driver
[08:30] <sdf2> after that goto aplications/settings/settingsmanager/display
[08:30] <sdf2> and set it to default
[09:41] <over1ord> hello
[09:41] <over1ord> anyone around wo can help me?
[09:41] <over1ord> ^_^
[10:04] <Jeandre> Ubuntu 8.10 (couldn't get help at #ubuntu). Trying to delete files in file transfer folder on USB music player via Nautilus 2.24.1. "Error while deleting. Error removing file: Read-only file system" I am logged in as the owner of the directory which has "Create and delete files" folder access.
[10:29] <moodog> Morning :)
[12:02] <zr0gee> Hi - I'm not sure if #xubuntu has a specific beta-channel for the upcoming 9.04, but I just wanted to praise the work that's been done in the beta so far. Looks'n'feels great! :P
[13:06] <karen|> how do i install a theme that I have downloaded?
[13:39] <J_Litewski> whats thundar coded in?
[13:47] <sdf2> !mount
[14:29] <Araneidae> I have xfce on a dual head system.  Is there a key to switch focus between screens?
[14:43] <Dante123> having problems with fan running on high all the time after installing xubuntu 8.10 on a sony vaio rx550.  This is a known issue and the resolution seems to be outlined here:  http://www.backports.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=238566&page=2    However, this solution is from 6.10 days and it just isn't working for me.  I instlled lm-sensors and ran sensor-detect and seem to have been successful with that.  Any ideas?
[14:45] <Dante123> One person said what helped solve the problem was "sudo modprobe it87 fix_pwm_polarity=1"  But how do I load it87 in the first place as running that line does nothing?
[14:48] <Araneidae> Does lsmod show it87 as already loaded?
[14:50] <Dante123> Araneidae, I dont have the computer here (it is at friends house) but I think no
[14:51] <Araneidae> Alas
[14:51] <Araneidae> Oh, sorry
[14:51] <Araneidae> I was muddled there
[14:51] <Dante123> Araneidae so do I need to do edit the /etc/modprobe.d/options and add a line about options it87 fix_pwm_polarity=1?
[14:51] <Araneidae> However I would have expected modprobe to have doen the trick
[14:52] <Araneidae> Did it just silently do nothing?
[14:52] <Dante123> yes, if memory serves me right
[14:52] <Araneidae> Huh.
[14:52] <Araneidae> Anything in syslog (or messages)?
[14:52] <Dante123> no, now i rememeber
[14:53] <Dante123> FATAL: Error inserting it87
[14:53] <Dante123> No such device
[14:55] <Araneidae> Aha
[14:55] <Araneidae> Bit of a broad hint there!  Unfortunately I have no idea...
[14:55] <J_Litewski> what is it87?
[14:56] <J_Litewski> because i don't have it eighter
[14:56] <Araneidae> A fan sensor, I'm guessing
[14:56] <Dante123> Well, maybe it is something optional that has to be installed via editing  /etc/modprobe.d/options
[14:57] <Araneidae> http://www.mjmwired.net/kernel/Documentation/hwmon/it87
[14:57] <J_Litewski> hmm
[14:57] <Araneidae> Well, you have to have the physical sensor in your system too -- that'd be my guess
[14:57] <Dante123> I would have thought that something like this would have been fixed before we got to 8.10 if this has been an issue with sony vaios since 6.10
[14:58] <J_Litewski> i know my lappy has a fan sensor, windows used it all the time
[14:58] <Araneidae> Sure -- but does it have an it87 sensor?
[14:58] <J_Litewski> it doesn't show it in lsmod
[15:00] <Dante123> Araneidae obviously from the link I first posted, others have gotten this to work on a sony vaio rx550.  My point is that I just dont see how they did it.  I installed lm-sensors, I ran sensors-detect (and it87 never came up)
[15:00] <J_Litewski> i dont see any sensors for the fan
[15:01] <Dante123> J_Litewski look at http://www.backports.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=238566&page=2 and tell me what you think
[15:01] <Araneidae> Anything interesting in /sys/class/hwmon ?
[15:02] <Dante123> after I installed lm-sensors and xsensors, I can see what the fan speed is.  But I cannot control them
[15:02] <Dante123> xsensors give a nice gui with fan speed....and it is full blast by the way....but no way to control.
[15:02] <Araneidae> Sorry, no idea!
[15:03] <Dante123> Araneidae thanks for trying,.  Maybe you can help with other issue
[15:03] <Araneidae> Ok.  You have any thoughts on this question (I asked just before you came):
[15:03] <Araneidae> I have xfce on a dual head system.  Is there a key to switch focus between screens?
[15:03] <Araneidae> Seems on topic for an xubuntu channel!
[15:04] <J_Litewski> laptop or desktop?
[15:04] <Araneidae> Does it matter?
[15:04] <Araneidae> They have different DEVICE names: :0.0 and :0.1
[15:05] <Araneidae> Desktop, as it happens
[15:07] <J_Litewski> well, if it was a lappy, all you would need to do is press fn+one of the function keys to switch between displays
[15:07] <J_Litewski> since it's a desktop, i think you need to assign a keyboard shortcut to do that
[15:08] <Dante123> on this same pc, when it was at my house, I installed xubuntu and I had an lcd monitor.  The system installed fine and worked at 1024 x 768.  When I took it to my friends house- they have a crt monitor and somehow the graphics got changed and 800x600 is max.  How do I fix it so we can get 1024 x 768 (I know both card and monitor support this).
[15:08] <J_Litewski> i had the same problem
[15:08] <Araneidae> I've got two screens, but I don't know of a command to switch focus between them
[15:08] <J_Litewski> clear xorg.conf
[15:08] <Araneidae> I'm happy to bind a shortcut ... but what to?!
[15:09] <Araneidae> I guess I need a program which can hand focus over to a particular screen... any thoughts on how to do that?
[15:09] <J_Litewski> something like ctrl+Alt+F3
[15:09] <vinnl> Dante123, have you taken a look at the Display Settings?
[15:09] <Araneidae> No, that's virtual desktop switching
[15:10] <Araneidae> I have two physical screens
[15:10] <Araneidae> and two DISPLAY contexts, one on each
[15:10] <vinnl> Araneidae, not exactly, that's Ctrl+Alt+3 ;-)
[15:10] <vinnl> More like virtual screens... Or something :S
[15:10] <J_Litewski> well, i'm just saying to bind it to a combonation like that
[15:10] <Araneidae> But *what* do I bind to the combination!
[15:11] <J_Litewski> ah
[15:11]  * Araneidae goes to grovel through keyboard binding settings
[15:11] <J_Litewski> good point
[15:12] <Araneidae> Definitely need a command to run.
[15:12] <vinnl> Araneidae, which version of Xubuntu are you using?
[15:12] <Araneidae> How do I find out?
[15:12] <J_Litewski> Araneidae, first backup and clear xorg.conf
[15:12] <Araneidae> I'm on Ubunut 8.10
[15:12] <vinnl> Araneidae, Xubuntu or Ubuntu?
[15:13] <Araneidae> Ubuntu with xubuntu-desktop installed on top
[15:13] <Araneidae> Currently logged in using xfce
[15:13] <vinnl> Right...
[15:13] <vinnl> Well, it's not really a solution for now, but I heard the next version of Xubuntu, when it's released, will play a lot nicer with multiple screens
[15:13] <Araneidae> J_Litewski, There's nothing wrong with my xorg.conf!
[15:14] <Araneidae> Is that going to come out with 9.04 as well?  I don't mind waiting...
[15:14] <J_Litewski> you said that your display won't go above 800x600, correct?
[15:14] <Araneidae> eh?
[15:14] <Araneidae> No, not me
[15:14] <J_Litewski> oh
[15:14] <Araneidae> I have 1920x1200 on the left, 1280x1024 on the right
[15:15] <vinnl> Araneidae, yes, 9.04 is the next version, but I'm not sure if it will solve your particular problem
[15:15] <Araneidae> Dual head has advantages and disadvantages...
[15:15] <J_Litewski> ah, Dante123, backup and clear xorg.conf
[15:15] <Araneidae> Well, I've been playing with various desktop managers.  Unfortunately hacking dwm involves rather a lot of low level Xlib programming!
[15:16] <J_Litewski> sorry Araneidae
[15:16] <Araneidae> np
[15:16]  * Araneidae isn't mad enough to take that kind of advice blindly!
[15:16] <vinnl> ^.^
[15:17] <Dante123> vinnl and J_Litewski I tried reconfiguring x but still get same results no choice higher than 800 x 600
[15:17] <Dante123> J_Litewski how exactly do you "clear" x org.conf
[15:17] <J_Litewski> sudo mousepad /etc/X11/xorg.conf and delete everything
[15:17] <J_Litewski> after backing it up
[15:18] <J_Litewski> of course
[15:18] <Araneidae> `sudo sh -c 'echo >/etc/X11/org.conf'` will work
[15:18] <Dante123> J_Litewski the crappy 800 x 600 display gets in my way of fixing the fan control problem
[15:18] <vinnl> Or sudo mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11.conf.1~
[15:18] <vinnl> Ooops
[15:18] <J_Litewski> X server, at least for me, doesn't depend on xorg.conf anymore
[15:18] <Araneidae> followed by `sudo touch /etc/X11/xorg.conf`
[15:18] <vinnl>  sudo mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.1~
[15:18] <Dante123>  J_Litewski do you save the blank file as xorg.conf again??/
[15:18] <vinnl> Which moves xorg.conf to xorg.conf.1~
[15:18] <Araneidae> if it needs to be present (which is what I assumed by "clear")
[15:19] <Dante123> and then reboot?
[15:19] <vinnl> Dante123, be sure to first make a backup!
[15:19] <J_Litewski> or restart X
[15:19] <Araneidae> C-A-Backspace
[15:19] <Dante123> okay
[15:19] <Araneidae> which I read somewhere is going to be disable by default in the next release :(
[15:19] <vinnl> Yeah I read that too
[15:19] <J_Litewski> Araneidae, 9.04 doesn't support X restart anymore :(
[15:19] <Dante123> yeah, i think disabling ctrl-alt-backspace is stupid
[15:20] <J_Litewski> well, disabled :/
[15:20] <charlie-tca> You can re-enable it anytime you want to
[15:20]  * J_Litewski wants to know how to do that
[15:20] <Dante123> I think the reasons for disabling it (from what I have read) are shallow and stupid.
[15:20] <Dante123> First think I will do is enable it after install
[15:21] <Araneidae> Well, unfortunately, I think Ubuntu is trying more and more to target the shallow and the stupid :(
[15:21] <charlie-tca> Just read the jaunty release notes. http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/jaunty/beta
[15:22] <Dante123> vinnl and J_Litewski and Araneidae-  I also thought maybe starting off xubuntu livecd (copying the xorg.conf file from that) and putting it into the installed xubuntu version
[15:22] <Dante123> providing of course that livecd allows me to go 1024 x 768
[15:22] <Dante123> what are your thoughts on that approach
[15:22] <slow-motion> now they are at the letter j, but what comes after z?
[15:23] <vinnl> Dante123, I believe the xorg.conf file in the new releases is nearly empty, so that won't be of much help :P
[15:23] <charlie-tca> slow-motion: my guess is it starts again at a
[15:23] <slow-motion> *omfg* we are doomed, no ubuntu after z
[15:23] <J_Litewski> Dante123, do you have a xorg.conf.1 file?
[15:23] <vinnl> slow-motion, definitely, they'll stop the whole project at that time
[15:23] <slow-motion> noooo *cries*
[15:24] <charlie-tca> aa = aardvark
[15:24] <Dante123> vinnl what if running off livecd gives me 1024 x 768 on that hardware?  J_Litewski, I already backed up xorg.conf to xorgold.conf and did ctrl-alt-back and I guess it recreated a xorg.conf file but still only 800 x 600 is top.
[15:25] <J_Litewski> Dante123, what is your graphics card?
[15:25] <Dante123> J_Litewski also computer is at a friends house- so I cant do much from here.
[15:25] <vinnl> Dante123, so is the xorg.conf file you have now still empty?
[15:25] <vinnl> charlie-tca, heh, nice solution :P
[15:27] <Dante123> J_Litewski hang on...it is an agp Asus AGP-V3800M
[15:27] <Araneidae> What's the xorg.conf command to turn C-A-Del back again?  THe release notes don't say
[15:27] <vinnl> Araneidae, yes they do
[15:27] <vinnl> Araneidae, dontzap --disable
[15:27] <Araneidae> They say use the command `dontzap --disable`
[15:27] <Dante123> vinnl very sparse.  Bare minimum from what I remembered- like configured monitor, etc.  a couple lines for each thing
[15:27] <vinnl> Oh
[15:28] <Araneidae> I assume that needs to be run on each restart?
[15:28] <vinnl> Dante123, right, I guess what you'd get with a LiveCD wouldn't be much different
[15:28] <Araneidae> Dunno, actually -- doesn't seem to be part of 8.10 anyway
[15:28] <vinnl> Araneidae, I would assume the opposite, but there's only one way of finding out ;-)
[15:28] <Araneidae> ya
[15:28] <Araneidae> Wait and see (no program, so no man page)
[15:29] <J_Litewski> Dante123, is the monitor connected to the card an LCD?
[15:29] <Araneidae> Oh, google delivers
[15:29] <slow-motion> is there a dvd copy progrm for xubuntu?
[15:29] <vinnl> !dvd
[15:29] <vinnl> Hmm...
[15:29] <slow-motion> i only know k9copy
[15:30] <vinnl> I suppose there is, somewhere :P
[15:30] <vinnl> You could use that :)
[15:30] <Dante123> J_Litewski no crt (but when I first installed xubuntu the tower was at my house connected to my lcd)
[15:30] <J_Litewski> i thinks thats the problem
[15:30] <J_Litewski> http://www.videohelp.com/capturecards/asus-v3800/83
[15:30] <Dante123> J_Litewski but the card and monitor are able to handle 1024 x 768 cause pc is dualboot with windows and windows can even go up higher than that
[15:31] <Dante123> J_Litewski, yeah that is the problem. But the solution is?
[15:31] <J_Litewski> is it a flashable card?
[15:31] <Dante123> J_Litewski I have no idea what you mean?
[15:32] <J_Litewski> does it have an onboard flashable rom?
[15:32] <Dante123> no idea
[15:32] <J_Litewski> ah, it uses the TNT2 engine :\
[15:34] <J_Litewski> i had problems when I installed xubuntu on a desktop running a TNT2 m64
[15:34] <Dante123>  J_Litewski maybe I just reinstall xubuntu and see what happens on fresh install on the hardware that it is going to be using all the time (although fan problem will persist) I gotta have better rez than 800 x 600 or forget it.
[15:34] <J_Litewski> acually, same problem as you Dante123
[15:35] <Dante123> J_Litewski why would it work with lcd monitor at higher rez then?
[15:35] <J_Litewski> not sure
[15:35] <Dante123> J_Litewski and what did you do to solve your problem?
[15:35] <J_Litewski> i didn't
[15:36] <Dante123> hmm, I think I will go the livecd route and see what resolutions I get using that.  If necessary I will do fresh install
[15:36] <J_Litewski> windows, it would go up to 1280x1024, linux, 800x600
[15:36] <Dante123> that doesn't make much sense to me.
[15:36] <J_Litewski> it doesn't
[15:36] <J_Litewski> but thats what happened
[15:36] <Dante123> What it can do in one, it should be able to do in the other.  Now configuring it to do that is another matter, but it should be possible.
[15:37] <J_Litewski> depending if the drivers are compliant
[15:37] <J_Litewski> i believe NVidia supports Linux, but i'm not sure
[15:38] <Dante123> here is the actual specs on the machine http://www.docs.sony.com/release/specs/PCVRX550_mksp.pdf
[15:38] <Dante123> 4X AGP 3D Graphics Hardware Acceleration
[15:38] <Dante123> (nVIDIA® TNT2 M64)
[15:38] <Dante123> 32 MB Video Memory
[15:41] <J_Litewski> do you have the nVidia setting config?
[15:41] <J_Litewski> (nvidia-settings)?
[15:43] <Dante123> J_Litewski nope, when I run hardware drivers it says that no proprietary drivers on this system (so nvidia enable choice is never given)
[15:44] <Dante123> I guess if I got into that manual configuriation (after wiping out xorg.conf) maybe I could select a nvidia legacy driver or something
[15:46] <J_Litewski> i would try and install the nvidia-settings
[15:48] <Dante123> J_Litewski how is that done?
[15:48] <Dante123> sudo apt-get install nvidia-settings ????
[15:48] <J_Litewski> yep
[15:49] <Dante123> so leave current xorg.conf along and just run sudo apt-get install nvidia-settings.  Then will a menu item appear for xubuntu under applications or system settings or what?
[15:50] <J_Litewski> not sure, i don't run a nvidia card
[15:51] <Dante123> hmm...well....I guess it is worth a try
[15:51] <Dante123> thanks for help
[15:51] <J_Litewski> i'm reading up on people having problems with the TNT2 card using the 2.6 kernel
[15:52] <Dante123> well, the fact that it worked before with lcd screen. make me think that when it detected that the hardware changed it just went into some failsafe configuration that does not go past 800 x 600.
[15:52] <J_Litewski> it may
[15:52] <Dante123> I'm thinking running the livecd and seeing what resolutions are available might be a good idea.
[15:53] <J_Litewski> thats what happened to me when i plugged in my Sony SDM-M51
[15:54] <J_Litewski> xorg.conf was set to that screen, not my lappy screen
[15:54] <Dante123> this is older hardware- and the fact is that there are more issues with the old stuff than the new
[15:54] <Dante123> and not installing it with the actual hardware it was going to be using (monitor) complicates the matter
[15:54] <Dante123> so maybe a fresh install will do the trick
[15:54] <arooo> is there a terminal command to find out which version of xubuntu i'm running?
[15:55] <vinnl> arooo, $ lsb_release -r
[15:55] <vinnl> Though you can also check in System Monitor
[15:55] <arooo> thank you
[16:05] <J_Litewski> how do i set hddtemp with root privileges?
[16:08] <J_Litewski> nevermind
[16:08] <J_Litewski> heh, lm-sensor says the fan is off...
[16:09] <J_Litewski> yet it's running at full force
[16:11] <Araneidae> It might be instructive to poke around in /sys/class/hwmon/* -- I think those are all your sensors
[16:11] <J_Litewski> kk
[16:12]  * J_Litewski likes the terminal :)
[16:13] <J_Litewski> only thing in /sys/class/hwmon is hwmon0
[16:14] <J_Litewski> oh, nevermind
[16:15] <J_Litewski> nothing useful in there Araneidae
[16:15] <Araneidae> Actually, my desktop hwmon is a bit boring: hwmon0/temp_input = 40 degrees, and that's about it
[16:16] <Araneidae> Yes, I was working on an embedded device with *loads* of hwmon entries
[16:16] <Araneidae> I think hwmon/hwmon*/name is the physical sensor name
[16:16] <J_Litewski> ah
[16:16] <Araneidae> At least you can see what the sensor is reporting
[16:16] <J_Litewski> brb, doughnut timez
[16:17] <Araneidae> (I don't seem to have any fan sensors)
[16:17] <arooo> !firefox
[16:23] <J_Litewski> my fan sensor is an ACPI device
[16:29] <J_Litewski> acpi -V confirms this
[16:29] <J_Litewski> it also confirms that my battery is half-lifed
[16:33] <J_Litewski> how would i configure the display lights, like the power and battery lights?
[16:44] <arooo> yikes i think i made a mistake upgrading from 2.0 to 3.0 firefox on this laptop :(
[16:44] <arooo> seems slower :(
[16:51] <SiDi> Shouldnt be slower
[16:52] <arooo> probably placebo
[16:52] <vinnl> Well, it should even feel faster :P
[16:52] <vinnl> Do you happen to use a lot of extensions?
[16:53] <arooo> Just adblock
[16:54] <arooo> it's probably something else going on, this laptop isn't the best
[16:55] <gorgut> lo folks
[16:55] <vinnl> !hi
[16:55] <gorgut> what is the easiest way to rmdir a non-empty directory?
[16:56] <vinnl> I believe there's an argument you can use, -R or something, let me check
[16:56] <gorgut> rm has a -r flag, but rmdir does not apparently
[16:56] <gorgut> i checked the man page
[16:57] <gorgut> err i mean -f for force
[16:57] <vinnl> Ah yes, then I suppose you can just rm -R dir/* && rmdir dir
[16:57] <vinnl> Oh wait
[16:57] <vinnl> You can just do rm -R dir to remove a directory and it's contents
[16:58] <gorgut> awesome
[16:58] <gorgut> thanks
[16:58] <SiDi> gorgut: "rm -r dirname"
[16:58] <SiDi> rm -r just removes all the data and then calls rmdir on the empty dir
[16:59] <gorgut> ok. sweet. thanks guys. cleaning up my headless server via ssh was getting very tedious :P
[16:59]  * SiDi feels like he's late.
[17:03] <gorgut> is there a command-line bittorrent client that I can use with tor?
[17:06] <SiDi> I think transmission has a daemon
[17:07] <gorgut> i want to be able to log in via ssh and start a download with some sort of anonymity
[17:07] <gorgut> hehe
[17:07] <SiDi> huh they also have a remote web interface
[17:08] <gorgut> transmission does?
[17:08] <SiDi> either, check deluge
[17:08] <SiDi> yeh they got a ton of features
[17:08] <gorgut> wonder if azureus has a web interface...
[17:08] <SiDi> or either, if deluge doesnt fit your needs, wait for one more month and my own command line bittorrent client should be released :>
[17:08] <gorgut> awesome
[17:09] <SiDi> (it was meant to have a gui, but the gui men got lost some 2 months ago :P)
[17:09] <gorgut> hehe
[17:11] <J_Litewski> how hard is it to control a status led?
[17:12] <gorgut> using what?
[17:12] <gorgut> an arduino or something?
[17:12] <J_Litewski> a shell script
[17:12] <gorgut> heh
[17:12] <gorgut> that sounds fairly challending
[17:12] <gorgut> *challenging
[17:14] <J_Litewski> firstly, how are the status led's controlled?
[17:15] <gorgut> no idea. just as a wild, completely uneducated guess, i would assume by a chip on the board... something you probably have no access to
[17:15] <n2diy> I just switched from Ubuntu, and now I'm fine tuning Xubuntu, but I'm stumped trying to get my sound working. I can't get my volume control to appear in the panel, ideas?
[17:16] <J_Litewski> well you can control them in windows
[17:16] <SiDi> n2diy: is there pulseaudio running ? what does "ps aux | grep pulse" return ?
[17:17] <gorgut> J_Litewski, well, as I said... wild guess.
[17:17] <J_Litewski> i'm researching it now
[17:17] <gorgut> J_Litewski, i kinda assumed you were talking about the LEDs on the front of your case that indicated HD activity
[17:17] <SiDi> J_Litewski: if you want to control a LED, you need to set a particular amount of voltage in different parts of the board, and that'll light the parts of the LED you want to be enlighten
[17:18] <SiDi> dunno if its clear, but that's how you control it :P and if you want to do it remotely, it means there's a controller on the board awaiting for orders and that is in charge of lighting the LED for you :P
[17:18] <J_Litewski> i know you can't control that one, it's built into the cable to the HDD
[17:19] <SiDi> J_Litewski: actually, what LED are you speaking about and what do you want to do with it ?
[17:19] <J_Litewski> i was looking for controlling the caps, scroll, and num lock led's
[17:19] <J_Litewski> to start learning how to script
[17:19] <gorgut> ls
[17:20] <gorgut> oops. wrong window. sorry
[17:20] <n2diy> SiDi: darryl@snyder:~$ ps aux | grep pulse
[17:20] <n2diy> darryl   15415  0.0  0.1   3004   768 pts/1    S+   13:18   0:00 grep pulse
[17:20] <n2diy> darryl@snyder:~$
[17:20] <SiDi> n2diy: you had sound under ubuntu ?
[17:20] <n2diy> SiDi: yes.
[17:21] <SiDi> is alsamixer running fine ?
[17:22] <n2diy> SiDi: ah, I think I found the problem, alsamixer appears to have everything off, or turned down. Thanks.
[17:22] <SiDi> well, you're welcome :p
[17:22] <SiDi> by the way, you should have all the alsamixer controls in xfce4-mixer
[17:23] <SiDi> you just need to go to the mixer's preferences and check all boxes so that all controllers will be visible
[18:00] <BigMoopies> Would installing (and using) the xubuntu-desktop be OK along side the original gnome desktop ?
[18:01] <charlie-tca> BigMoopies: yes, it should be fine.
[18:01] <BigMoopies> charlie-tca, Both KDE and GNOME seem to be laggy.
[18:01] <BigMoopies> charlie-tca, I'm trying to get rid of that
[18:02] <charlie-tca> The more you install, the more you will see that. If all three desktop environments are installed, a lot of extra applications are also
[18:02] <BigMoopies> I only have GNOME installed now
[18:03] <BigMoopies> I was thinking that XFCE would be a good start to try and see if the lag goes away?
[18:03] <charlie-tca> Try it. It may work fine.
[18:03] <BigMoopies> OK
[18:03] <charlie-tca> If GNOME lags, you should try installing xubuntu without GNOME installed.
[18:04] <BigMoopies> charlie-tca, OK.  Do you have the link to go to pure XFCE ?  like there was one to get back to pure GNOME
[18:04] <BigMoopies> in hardy
[18:05] <charlie-tca> http://xubuntu.org/get for xubuntu
[18:06] <charlie-tca> I don't have a link to install xubuntu-desktop and remove gnome-desktop
[18:06] <BigMoopies> ok
[18:06] <BigMoopies> I'll look for it
[18:06] <BigMoopies> if I decide to remove GNOME
[18:07] <SiDi> BigMoopies: you can just remove the ubuntu-desktop virtual package for now, and when you meet a gnome app that you dont way anymore, remove it too :P
[18:08] <BigMoopies> SiDi, The Xubuntu desktop is still downloading now, and not e ven installed
[18:08] <BigMoopies> lol
[18:08] <charlie-tca> SiDi: that won't stop the lag, though
[18:09] <verme> hi
[18:09] <SiDi> hhello charlie-tca  btw :P
[18:11] <verme> i have a question, is it possible that an application built in an Ubuntu 8.10 system using gstreamer and gtk does not run in a xubuntu 8.04 system?
[18:11] <charlie-tca> verme: sure
[18:11] <verme> hum
[18:12] <verme> maybe it is related with the versions of those libraries
[18:12] <charlie-tca> xubuntu requires and uses less resources, so if you built the application, it may not have the libraries it had in Ubuntu
[18:13] <verme> my application runs fine in xubuntu if i compile it in an ubuntu 8.04 system
[18:14] <charlie-tca> That does not mean Xubuntu will have those same resources already installed.
[18:15] <verme> ok ^^
[18:16] <verme> i will check it in a virtual machine
[18:16] <verme> we are using xubuntu in a radio station and it is really fast
[18:17] <charlie-tca> Great! Always glad to hear good things.
[18:17] <charlie-tca> We were a bit bulky in 8.04, trimmed down for 8.10 and more for 9.04
[18:18] <verme> ok
[18:23] <slow-motion> hi
[18:23] <verme> hi slow-motion
[18:23] <slow-motion> hi verme
[18:23] <SiDi> hello slow-motion
[18:24] <slow-motion> hi SiDi
[18:24] <J_Litewski> hi slow-motion
[18:25] <slow-motion> hi J_Litewski
[18:28] <hyuma> hi all
[18:28] <charlie-tca> !hi
[18:31] <J_Litewski> how would you check to see which kernel your running?
[18:32] <mprice> uname -r in the terminal
[18:33] <J_Litewski> ah
[18:33] <J_Litewski> kk, ty
[18:34] <mprice> you can also go to Applications->System->System Monitor and click on the System Tab too
[18:35] <J_Litewski> if i don't have an nVidia graphics card, can i safely uninstall the nVidia packages?
[18:35] <Legendre> I'm still using edgy (yes..) and it seems like my sources.list is broken.. can't apt-get much of anything. Have the packages been totally withdrawn or what?
[18:36] <Legendre> Need to install imagemagick.. =/ or some other util that will de-PDF a PDF file into TIFF or PNG etc..
[18:38] <hyuma> guys i've problem when I open filesystem from menu Places, the windows appear and disappear immediately, i don't know why
[18:38] <hyuma> i've xubuntu 8.10 on my ibook g4
[18:39] <mprice> run thunar from the terminal
[18:40] <hyuma> mprice: segmentation fault
[18:40] <charlie-tca> Legendre: Edgy was end of support 6 months ago. You really should upgrade using a fresh install, now, to 8.04 or 8.10
[18:40] <BigMoopies> where do I find the text size options in Xubuntu ?
[18:40] <BigMoopies> XFCE, whatever
[18:41] <Legendre> charlie-tca - any package archive still operating?
[18:41] <SiDi> xfce parameters -> user interface
[18:41] <SiDi> on the top right of the theme selection window
[18:41]  * charlie-tca too slow again!
[18:41] <Legendre> fresh install = major hasslectomy.
[18:41] <charlie-tca> 7.04 = way out of dte
[18:41] <charlie-tca> date
[18:41] <BigMoopies> SiDi, You are talking to me ?
[18:42] <SiDi> BigMoopies: yeh sorry
[18:42] <hyuma> mprice: you read?
[18:42] <charlie-tca> Legendre: you will find it harder and harder to maintain that old version. There have been no security updates since October
[18:42] <BigMoopies> SiDi, Where is that located? Applications -> something ?
[18:42] <mprice> if you google sometimes you can still find a mirror, Legendre but its recommeded to update to a newer release to because you no longer get security updates
[18:42] <hyuma> running thunar from terminal, i got segmentation fault
[18:43] <SiDi> BigMoopies: Applications-> parameters -> xfce parameters -> user interface
[18:43] <BigMoopies> SiDi, I don't see that
[18:43] <charlie-tca> Applications -> Settings -> Settings Manager -> User Interface
[18:44] <verme> anybody could be a beta tester for 5 minutes?
[18:44] <charlie-tca> I have been testing for about 1 year, 5 minutes more won't matter
[18:44] <mprice> hyuma, I'm looking at a bug report about it right now
[18:44] <verme> lol
[18:44] <BigMoopies> charlie-tca, there we go
[18:44] <Legendre> foo
[18:44] <hyuma> mprice, thank you, is very strange this error right?
[18:44] <verme> charlie-tca: i need to check that my application runs in xubuntu
[18:45] <charlie-tca> What version you want it in?
[18:45] <charlie-tca> I am running 9.04 on this 64-bit system
[18:45] <SiDi> I have to go
[18:45] <verme> in the latest version...
[18:45] <SiDi> See you people
[18:45] <verme> bye SiDi
[18:45] <charlie-tca> 32-bit or 64-bit?
[18:46] <BigMoopies> charlie-tca, What do I need to install to have the GNOME type sound up/down stuff ?
[18:46] <verme> 32-bit
[18:46] <charlie-tca> alsa-mixer, alsa-utils, and the volume control in the panel
[18:46] <verme> can i send you the tarball? it includes the binary already
[18:47] <charlie-tca> That or tell where to get it. cjk AT teamcharliesangels.com
[18:47] <mprice> here is the bug report hyuma: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/thunar/+bug/297842
[18:48] <verme> ?
[18:48] <BigMoopies> how do I get the volume control to run
[18:48] <charlie-tca> How are you going to send it?
[18:48] <verme> DCC?
[18:48] <mprice> unfortunately looks like they didn't fix the bug becuase its fixed in Jaunty
[18:48] <hyuma> so i need to uprade in jaunty?
[18:49] <charlie-tca> not set up for it. Is there a place I can download it?
[18:49] <verme> no yet, it is a preliminary newer version
[18:49] <charlie-tca> Jaunty is out in less than 30 days
[18:49] <Ahmuck> i'm looking for a program i can put toghaterh screenshots into a swf (?) file ?
[18:50] <mprice> that is up to you, hyuma
[18:51] <mprice> personally it still needs fix in Intrepid
[18:52] <hyuma> mprice: i don't know what version of ubuntu install to my ibook
[18:52] <mprice> there is instructions to rebuild the package in the bug report, hyuma
[18:52] <mprice> I would be willing to help if you have any problems
[18:53] <mprice> type uname -r in the terminal?
[18:54] <mprice> wait you mentioned intrepid
[18:54] <BigMoopies> What is the keyboard short cut for locking the screen in XFCE?
[18:54] <BigMoopies> ctrl + alt + L don't work
[18:55] <Slonkie> ctrl+alt+del
[18:55] <BigMoopies> to lock the screen ?
[18:55] <Slonkie> But you can change it to ctrl+alt+L if you'd rather have that in the keyboard settings
[18:55] <BigMoopies> yeah there we go
[18:56] <BigMoopies> how bout show the desktop ?
[18:56] <BigMoopies> wait ctrl alt d
[18:58] <BigMoopies> How would I change that one ?
[18:59] <BigMoopies> also how would I add shortcuts to programs beside the help question mark
[19:02] <mprice> hyuma, did you rebuild thunar yet?
[19:02] <hyuma> i'm doing
[19:02] <hyuma> make
[19:02] <hyuma> then make install
[19:03] <J_Litewski> new feature in thundar?
[19:03] <J_Litewski> *thunar?
[19:05] <mprice> hyuma, much easier way in the bug report
[19:05] <hyuma> mprice,  i was blocked at debuild -d, i haven't that command
[19:05] <hyuma> so i launched ./configure, make make install
[19:08] <mprice> install pbuilder hyuma
[19:17] <J_Litewski> what was hyuma trying to do mprice?
[19:18] <mprice> rebuild the deb for thunar to fix the segfaul
[19:18] <J_Litewski> ah
[19:20] <J_Litewski> i think it'll be cool if thunar had a plugin to unpack tarballs and rar files and stuff
[19:27] <UKGent> How useful is the Debian Package Viewer? Is it worth Installing?
[19:29] <mprice> that depends
[19:30] <UKGent> mprice lol is not that always the way!
[19:30] <mprice> i guess
[19:30] <UKGent> ?
[19:31] <UKGent> I just wondered - I am browsing the Development & Internet Packages to see what might be useful
[19:31] <mprice> are you plan on developing packages?
[19:33] <UKGent> mprice well... I am a real beginner, so I would not go as far as to say that. I really want to start off with a bit of website development and maybe some pedagogical introductions to doing some programming. I am old  (50) and have done some programming years ago - even some COBOL ! -  I want to get back into it.
[19:34] <UKGent> er.. .not COBOL !
[19:35] <UKGent> I have put Bluefish on the download list anyway
[19:35] <UKGent> and bravely started the emacs tutorial but taking that real slow ... !
[19:39] <UKGent> I love this version of Linux/Ubuntu - really suits my temperament. Nice balance between usability and speed. I will not go back to ubuntu/kubuntu (even though Kubuntu has the most apps.)
[19:40] <J_Litewski> newbie question, how do you install .deb files?
[19:40] <Slonkie> double click it
[19:41] <UKGent> and then hold your breath if it comes from a dubious source lol
[19:41] <J_Litewski> that brings up the arcive manager
[19:42] <Slonkie> Are you able to right click > Execute?
[19:44] <J_Litewski> nope
[19:49] <UKGent> Well so far, I have added Amaya, Bluefish and the MySQL Admin. and Query Browser ...
[19:49] <J_Litewski> should i clean out my cache?
[19:50] <mprice> J_Litewski: sudo dpkg -i packagename in the terminal
[19:51] <J_Litewski> ty mprice
[19:51] <mprice> np
[19:51] <J_Litewski> should i clean out my cache?
[19:51] <mprice> for apt?
[19:51] <J_Litewski> sure
[19:52] <J_Litewski> i'm using ubuntu-tweak atm
[19:52] <mprice> how long have you been running Xubuntu for on the same computer?
[19:52] <J_Litewski> almost a year
[19:52] <mprice> and you haven't cleaned it out once?
[19:52] <J_Litewski> nope
[19:52] <J_Litewski> didn't know you could :P
[19:53] <mprice> I would especially if you have upgrade to a newer vesion in the past year
[19:53] <J_Litewski> i have... three times...
[19:53] <mprice> ya I highly recommend it than
[19:53] <UKGent> mprice what is the procedure for cleaning out the cache ?
[19:54] <UKGent> Not that I really need to just now
[19:54] <mprice> sudo apt-get autoclean in the terminal
[19:54] <J_Litewski> i think i did that before...
[19:54] <UKGent> mprice thanks - what is held in the cache ?
[19:55] <J_Litewski> should i clean out the package config too?
[19:55] <UKGent> temp data files ?
[19:55] <BigMoopies> I can't figure out how to change the ctrl + alt + d , to show the desktop keyboard short cut.
[19:55] <mprice> UKGent, it clears out retrieved package files
[19:56] <UKGent> mprice ty  Ah.. I see
[19:56] <BigMoopies> I tried looking in the keyboard short cuts, but I don't see a "show desktop" to alter
[19:56] <UKGent> that explains why you would want to do it after an upgrade ...
[19:57] <mprice> yes
[19:57] <mprice> brb gotta reboot
[19:59] <BigMoopies> also, how would I setup a shortcut to other programs besides the ? for Xubuntu help, besides places/applications
[20:13] <J_Litewski> how do i add a GPG key?
[20:13] <mprice> you mean create one?
[20:13] <J_Litewski> yea
[20:15] <mprice> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GnuPrivacyGuardHowto
[20:17] <mprice> that should pretty much solve any other questions you might have J_Litewski
[20:18] <J_Litewski> so if i added a repository list, i need to create a key for it?
[20:19] <mprice> not quite understanding your question
[20:20] <J_Litewski> i added the medibuntu repository list, and it's bitching about a GPG key
[20:20] <mprice> oh hold on
[20:20] <UKGent> don't most repository holders provide a public Key ? I seem to remember having to update mine once on ubuntu
[20:21] <UKGent> ie obtain the keys
[20:21] <mprice> you are correct UKGent
[20:21] <mprice> J_Litewski: sudo apt-get install medibuntu-keyring
[20:21] <J_Litewski> ah
[20:21] <mprice> then sudo apt-get update and it should resolved
[20:23] <J_Litewski> kk, ty mprice
[20:23] <mprice> np
[20:23] <UKGent> mprice Litewski I think that there was a problem on Launchpad not long ago, which resulted in everyone getting a message about needing to update the Keys every time you used update ...  I ran a perl routine (off one of the forums) which updated all my keyrings
[20:24] <J_Litewski> nice
[20:24] <UKGent> so it does work when you search the ubuntu forums because I am no Pear Programmer !
[20:24] <J_Litewski> it won't let me install update the kipi-plugins...
[20:25] <mprice> what error are you getting?
[20:25] <J_Litewski> it isn't giving me one
[20:25] <J_Litewski> it's greyed out
[20:26] <mprice> try sudo apt-get install kipi-plugins it might be missing a dependency
[20:30] <J_Litewski> that did it, ty again mprice
[20:31] <mprice> np
[20:31] <J_Litewski> xubuntu has never been this picky about updates
[20:34] <UKGent> I have just installed enigmail and noticed that BASH prompted me that two files would now be redundant .. so I used autoremove to free up the space. So it works ?  Baby Steps...  lol
[20:34] <J_Litewski> lol
[20:34] <J_Litewski> i've been with xubuntu for almost a year, and i still am a nub
[20:34] <mprice> it takes time and patience
[20:35] <UKGent> I am quite proud of myself that I have not broken it yet !  lol
[20:35] <J_Litewski> i'm better in the terminal now then before
[20:35] <J_Litewski> i've broken mine four time so far
[20:35] <mprice> I broken my computer so many times its not even funny
[20:36] <UKGent> Litewski    I intend to start using it right from the start. It is fantastic to have XChat side by side with the terminal and get 'real time' help - how much would you pay to get that with Microsoft ?
[20:36] <J_Litewski> true
[20:36] <J_Litewski> i don't trust Xchat though
[20:36] <J_Litewski> i personally use pidgin
[20:36] <mprice> why is that, J_Litewski?
[20:37] <J_Litewski> i don't like the layout, since i'm use to chatzilla
[20:37] <UKGent> Litewski  XChat keeps it simple for beginners on IRC but I stay away from the 'Wild West' Channels and keep my shields up lol
[20:38] <mprice> at least we have many choices for what we want to use for IRC
[20:38] <J_Litewski> true, all free too
[20:39] <UKGent> I might try pidgin but I seem to be getting on OK with Xchat .. if I can use it - anyone can !
[20:40] <J_Litewski> lol
[20:40] <UKGent> I must be the 'Grandad' in this room lol
[20:40] <J_Litewski> i just like pidgin because i can have my yahoo, irc, googletalk, and facebook all at the same time
[20:41] <mprice> thats understandable than J_Litewski
[20:41] <vtrt> hello
[20:41] <vtrt> i have question
[20:41] <mprice> ask away vtrt
[20:42] <UKGent> Litewski - I tried Pidgin in order to communicate with my sad friends on MSM but it would not send files for some reason. So I use aMSN for that. aMSN is a very nice little application but is dedicated to MSN
[20:42] <vtrt> when i have kubuntu 8.10 and upgrade to xubuntu will I need to install drivers etc. once again?
[20:42] <mprice> how do you plan on upgrading?
[20:43] <vtrt> i mean in adept xubuntu-desktop
[20:44] <mprice> all it will do is install xubuntu
[20:44] <mprice> it won't remove any drivers or anything else like that
[20:44] <vtrt> it will create next installation of linux or it will just be xfce and apps for it?
[20:44] <mprice> you will have xfce  and kde apps
[20:44] <mprice> unless you remove kde
[20:44] <vtrt> ok but on one kernel yes?
[20:45] <mprice> yes
[20:45] <vtrt> k and I can always get back to kubu?
[20:45] <vtrt> i mean KDE xD
[20:45] <mprice> yes just change the session to kde before you login
[20:45] <vtrt> k thanks that helped alot :)
[20:45] <mprice> np
[20:45] <vtrt> cya
[20:46] <J_Litewski> my gf's bird is looking at me funny
[20:47]  * J_Litewski shakey fist at bird
[20:47] <dsmith_> xubuntu is sweet! I have converted 10 users to it away from windows
[20:47] <dsmith_> flip the bird a finger
[20:47] <J_Litewski> it's a nice step up from windows
[20:48] <UKGent> dsmith I am a fan too. It is really 'nifty' and yet has a good GUI. I find it less 'bloated' than Ubuntu (although I am not knocking it) .
[20:49] <dsmith_> same
[20:49] <dsmith_> composting runs sweel
[20:49] <dsmith_> *swell
[20:49] <dsmith_> though I tend to mix a few kde/gnome apps in with it
[20:50] <UKGent> to be honest - I don't think that this Comp has ever ran so smoothly.
[20:51] <dsmith_> i have an older hp laptop, and yes windows 7 ran fine on it, but I MUCH prefered xubuntu.
[20:51] <UKGent> dsmith The strategy I have adopted is to use Firefox Extensions for any fancy stuff - leaving the rest of the system fairly 'clean'  that way you dont 'bloat up' the main system.
[20:51] <dsmith_> UKGent: I can xtransfer files fine over piggin
[20:52] <dsmith_> UKGent: I have a bunch of Fx extensions
[20:52] <dsmith_> :)
[20:52] <UKGent> dsmith Right... maybe there was something else going on at the time .... I will take another look sometime
[20:53] <UKGent> dsmith It was my 'Windows bound' Nephew whom I was trying to transfer the files to...  he is terrible for blocking things up anyway .. lol
[20:54] <UKGent> I love using Linux for just Gnu and Linux   , rather than trying to reproduce a windows system. That is why I like xUbuntu - you get the best of Windows but no more.
[20:55] <dsmith_> thats one reason I despire kde 4
[20:55] <dsmith_> and kubuntu now
[20:55] <dsmith_> it reminds me of windows too much now
[20:55] <dsmith_> even though I use kubuntu 8.04 now
[20:56] <dsmith_> i like the notion of two panels on the screen is logical
[20:56] <UKGent> dsmith I know - It is like those Guys who spend a fortune on a Mac and then spend massive amounts of time trying to make it perform and look like a PC ... Why bother lol
[20:58] <UKGent> I like to work 'on the fly' just creating panels and dotting them about the place to be in close distance to my mouse gestures. It is a slick way of working and I love it!
[20:59] <UKGent> I use that little up & down arrow a lot and just have the window bars dotted around the Desktop - lol Am I mad ?
[21:02] <dsmith_> lol
[21:03] <UKGent> dsmith It is the 'patchwork quilt' style of working !
[21:30] <J_Litewski> i want to code something ;/
[21:34] <J_Litewski> is there anyway to delay the capslock key from activating?
[21:35] <J_Litewski> i keep hitting the stupid thing instead of the 'a' key
[22:16] <Slonkie> Is it with xubuntu like windows that 32bit only supports 3GB (or something around there) ?
[22:21] <BigMoopies> does anyone know how to make more short cuts to other programs by Applications and Places ?
[22:21] <BigMoopies> where mozilla and the ? mark is
[22:24] <basajaun> hi all
[22:24] <Slonkie> ?hi
[22:24] <diginux> I updated my laptop, and now my windows decorations in xfce are missing, i have no way to minimize, maximize, move, or kill windows
[22:25] <basajaun> question about FSlint  duplicate files which files are to be kept? is merge the best option or delete duplicate files?
[22:26] <diginux> basajaun: i always do select all but oldest and delete those, but its up to you
[22:29] <basajaun> thanks  diginux  does that mean oldest file will be kept ?
[22:31] <diginux> basajaun: yes
[22:31] <basajaun> In the case of an udated sytem is it a risk?
[22:32] <diginux> well i never search my whole filesystem
[22:32] <diginux> i only do my home folder
[22:32] <basajaun> I see ok
[22:44] <basajaun> Thanks diginux
[22:44] <basajaun> bye all
[23:32] <slow-motion> n8