[02:08] <John64> is storm used much in the real world outside of launchpad?
[02:18]  * ScottK guesses this probably isn't the best place for people who would know.
[02:33] <John64> well, it is an Ubuntu developed platform.  oh well, thanks anyway
[02:34] <Hobbsee> s/ubuntu/canonical/
[02:34] <ScottK> John64: It's nothing to do with Ubuntu.
[02:35] <Hobbsee> you'd probably need to contact canonical directly.  I believe there are addresses on canonical.com
[02:35] <John64> ohkay, well, i wouldn't say it isn't 'nothing to do with ubuntu'
[02:35] <ScottK> John64: From a development perspective it is nothing to do with Ubuntu.
[02:35] <ScottK> Ubuntu uses it and it is built on Ubuntu, but Ubuntu has nothing to do with LP development.
[02:36] <John64> since it is the basis of launchpad, and launchpad is a huge part of ubuntu, it is part of the development.  either way, thanks for your info
[02:36] <wgrant> It has nothing to do with Ubuntu except being primarily developed by Ubuntu's sponsor.
[02:36] <wgrant> *prime sponsor
[02:37] <wgrant> We can't see Launchpad's source, so what Launchpad uses has nothing whatsoever to do with us.
[02:37] <Hobbsee> wgrant: he's gone, fwiw
[02:37] <wgrant> Damn.
[02:37] <Hobbsee> you could always /query it to him, though
[02:44] <ebroder> Ugh. I can never keep the procedure straight. If I'm asking for a Debian sync now, that's just for bugfixes (i.e. feature freeze shouldn't apply), who should I subscribe to the bug?
[02:44] <ScottK> ebroder: Main or Universe package?
[02:44] <ebroder> universe
[02:44] <ebroder> (bug 350470)
[02:45] <ScottK> ebroder: ubuntu-universe-sponsors
[02:45] <ebroder> Ok. That's what I thought, just wanted to make sure they were still the right group this far into the release
[02:45] <ebroder> Thanks
[03:49] <OsamaK> Hello. Which package contains the new confriming message on shutdown, restart, logout?
[03:49] <OsamaK> I just wnat to translate it.
[03:54] <Hobbsee> OsamaK: oss-notify, i think?
[03:55] <OsamaK> Hobbsee, is it a GNOME package?
[03:56] <Hobbsee> i'm not sure
[04:04] <wgrant> OsamaK, Hobbsee: It's fast-user-switch-applet
[04:05] <wgrant> Hobbsee: You were thinking of notify-osd?
[04:05] <Hobbsee> wgrant: er, yes, i probably was.
[04:05] <wgrant> Took me a while to remember that one.
[04:06] <wgrant> And I still think that indicator-applet is notification-applet
[04:08] <OsamaK> wgrant, is it GNOME?
[04:09] <wgrant> OsamaK: Those dialogs are not part of GNOME.
[04:09] <wgrant> I'm not sure about FUSA itself.
[04:10] <OsamaK> thanks.
[04:17] <OsamaK> wgrant, what about the 'shutdown' icon on the top right corner?
[04:17] <wgrant> OsamaK: The separate one, not FUSA?
[04:19] <OsamaK> wgrant, can you please link Jaunty Jackalope's fast-user-switch-applet page on launchpad?
[04:20] <OsamaK> (to get me directly into the needed translation)
[04:20]  * wgrant looks.
[04:20]  * wgrant hasn't dealt with Translations in a looong time.
[04:21] <wgrant> https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty/+source/fast-user-switch-applet
[04:22] <wgrant> OsamaK: ^^
[04:25] <OsamaK> great! thanks :)
[11:52] <StevenK> asac: Gah, you broke firefox in Intrepid!
[11:52] <StevenK> asac: Now when I shade the window, it comes back fullscreen without window decorations.
[11:57] <StevenK> zul_: If the cheetah upload you performed didn't actually change anything, it should be -2build1.
[12:03] <asac> StevenK: what dies  "shade the window" mean?
[12:12] <StevenK> asac: So it's just the titlebar -- when I unshade it, it does that
[12:12] <StevenK> Now that I have your attention, it isn't. Bah.
[12:14] <asac> StevenK: i still dont know what "shade/unshading" means ;)
[12:15] <asac> minimizing?
[12:15] <StevenK> asac: No, it isn't minimising
[12:15] <StevenK> asac: Think of it as pulling down or putting up a windowshade
[12:15] <asac> StevenK: ah so compositing? compiz or metacity?
[12:16] <StevenK> asac: Compiz, yeah
[12:18] <asac> StevenK: so window decoration going away and ffox starting in fullscreen with titlebar behind panel has been reported in the past with compiz.
[12:18] <StevenK> asac: Ah ha!
[12:19] <asac> i think we fixed something in compiz, so its less frequent ... but personally, i never could reproduce it#
[12:19] <asac> StevenK: if you can reproduce it might make sense to open a compiz bug about it, so we can take a another poke at it;)
[12:20] <StevenK> asac: I can't even reproduce it now :-(
[12:20] <asac> heh
[12:20] <asac> ;)
[12:30] <lifeless> kees: ping
[12:31] <lifeless> kees: I want to mark a function pointers as warn_if_result_ignored
[12:35] <Mithrandir> lifeless: __attribute__ ((warn_unused_result))
[12:36] <Mithrandir> lifeless: http://blog.rlove.org/2005/10/with-little-help-from-your-compiler.html is quite ok.
[12:50] <lifeless> Mithrandir: and it just works for function pointers too?
[12:50] <lifeless> Mithrandir: concretely, I mean
[12:50] <lifeless> struct {
[12:51] <lifeless>   int (*method) (void);
[12:51] <lifeless> } foo;
[12:51] <lifeless> ...
[12:51] <lifeless> myfoo->method(); <- this line is the one I want to blow up.
[12:52] <lifeless> Mithrandir: ah yes, it does.
[12:53] <lifeless> thanks. [I know how to do it for regular functions, was just shy, shoulda jjust tried on the fptr)].
[16:09] <kklimonda> does enyone use vmware with ubuntu 9.04? i have a problem with automatic bridging..
[16:09] <kklimonda> anyone* ;/
[16:11] <hyperair> this really isn't the place to ask
[16:40] <kees> lifeless: yup, what Mithrandir said.  :)  Out of curiosity, where are you using it?
[17:58] <Superdweeb> hai guys, does anyone out there that you know, have a script that when executed downloads and executes everything required to totally recompile an ubuntu installation from source?
[17:58] <Superdweeb> I'm getting a gentoo itch but wubi only works with ubuntu and my pentium M does not support hardware virtualization.
[17:59] <ebroder> Even if there were such a script, why would you want to do that? Ubuntu doesn't have USE flags or anything, so you'd just be wasting your time
[18:00] <ebroder> You wouldn't get binaries that are different from the binary distribution in any meaningful way
[18:00] <Superdweeb> no use flags?
[18:00] <Superdweeb> I can't tweek the sheet out of it?
[18:01] <Superdweeb> How about the kernel, I read some of the text from that big meeting you guiz had
[18:01] <Superdweeb> you've compiled support into the kernel for tons of stuff
[18:01] <Superdweeb> Any easy way to get rid of the modules?
[18:01] <Superdweeb> There should be a GUI for that.
[18:02] <ebroder> Why? Are you crunched for disk space? Modules don't get loaded if you don't need them
[18:02] <Superdweeb> well I use only super-old computers that happen to be just new enough to work ok.
[18:02] <Superdweeb> I tweaked the shit out of the services and stuff.
[18:02] <Superdweeb> why the * does standard desktop ubuntu have rsync automatically running?
[18:35] <savvas> does anyone know how to get the screensaver status through dbus, as root for another user?
[18:36] <savvas> or should user-run applications send that status to root applications/services?
[18:53] <AakashPatel> hi everyone
[18:53] <AakashPatel> who here has developed for the APT system on ubuntu?
[18:54] <AakashPatel> lol 259 people on this channel...and no one?
[18:54] <cody-somerville> What do you want to ask them?
[18:55] <AakashPatel> I am developing an APT like system for Android OS
[18:55] <jdong> that kind of activity ratio should suggest that a lot of developers listen on this channel for important discussions pertaining to Ubuntu development.
[18:55] <AakashPatel> and i dont get how the apt system get's a list of all apps...
[18:56] <AakashPatel> (this is releated to who it was APT works on ubuntu)
[18:57] <jdong> this is a basic support question that's best answered by the APT support lists, or even -devel-discuss.
[18:57] <jdong> it's not on topic for this channel
[18:57] <AakashPatel> ubuntu-devel-discuss ?
[18:57] <AakashPatel> #ubuntu-devel-discuss ?
[18:58] <jdong> ubuntu-devel-discuss is a mailing list.
[18:58] <AakashPatel> errr...
[18:58] <jdong> have you tried APT's documentation for answering these questions?
[18:58] <AakashPatel> where is it?
[18:59] <jdong> http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/repository-howto/repository-howto.en.html
[18:59] <jdong> that should answer your question on where APT gets its package list.
[18:59] <jdong> (from the Packages file in a repository)
[19:00] <AakashPatel> thanks
[19:00] <jdong> http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/index.en.html
[19:00] <jdong> the Debian APT howto provides a great overview of APT's functionality too, though probably not as useful to answer your questions
[19:01] <AakashPatel> err...whats the ubuntu main repo url?
[19:02] <AakashPatel> im not on my linux comp right now...
[19:02] <cody-somerville> archive.ubuntu.com
[19:02] <jdong> for example, see http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/intrepid-updates/main/binary-i386/
[19:06] <ebroder> Hey jdong: would you be up for looking at bug #348865?
[19:10] <jdong> ebroder: looking
[19:11] <jdong> ebroder: yeah, definitely a bug that needs to be fixed; would you like to prepare the SRU debdiff or ask the OP to do the same?
[19:11] <ebroder> There's a debdiff in the first ocmment
[19:11] <jdong> oh look at that :)
[19:13] <ebroder> Thanks :)
[19:18] <jdong> sure thing
[19:31] <UsamaAkkad> hello, if some one want to do minimal install cd for Mint or similar Ubuntu based distribution. what file should he change ?
[19:31]  * hyperair wonders if someone could look into bug #349768
[19:31] <hyperair> shit wrong bug
[19:31] <hyperair> bug 349678
[19:31] <hyperair> yeah that.
[20:18] <nysosym> hi there
[20:32] <lfaraone> james_w: ping (or anyone else in ~ubuntu-archive, I have a license question for ye)
[20:34] <jdong> (directly asking the question works well in here; people actually read their scrollback)
[20:35] <UsamaAkkad> hello, if some one want to do minimal install cd for Mint or similar Ubuntu based distribution. what file should he change ?
[20:37] <lfaraone> james_w: would a package which as a rule does not allow binary/source modification (unless you change the package's name) but a special exception has been made for Ubuntu packaging (anybody else who made further changes would have to rename the package) be acceptable in universe, or only in multiverse?
[20:37] <lfaraone> jdong: understood.
[20:42] <jpds> lfaraone: Sounds like http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/multiverse/s/spim/spim_7.4-0ubuntu1/spim.copyright
[20:46] <slangasek> mdke: why is the gnome-user-guide not split by language?
[20:51] <lfaraone> jpds: kk. spesifically, it's truecrypt.
[20:52] <lfaraone> jpds: which, while technically "FOSS" has a terrible license.
[20:52] <jpds> Yes, I know.
[21:59] <calc> slangasek: ping
[21:59] <calc> slangasek: debian-bug 521741
[22:00] <calc> slangasek: looks like that might be ugly, i assume that is something we probably should fix before release?
[22:00] <calc> slangasek: despite the package it is assigned to in debian it is not just a OOo bug
[22:01] <calc> slangasek: rene just reused the same bug report apparently and reassigned later to OOo
[22:27] <james_w> lfaraone: that's the sort of thing which would be multiverse material, but I believe truecrypt has other problems that may keep it from the archive.
[22:28] <lfaraone> james_w: oh? such as?
[22:28] <james_w> http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/distributions/2008-October/000273.html
[22:29] <james_w> http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/distributions/2008-October/000276.html
[22:34] <lfaraone> james_w: I see.
[22:35] <james_w> not a definitive ruling, but it shows that there may be more to it than the usual restrictions
[23:08] <mdke> slangasek: do you mean split into separate packages?
[23:14] <mdke> slangasek: if so, I don't know. Neither gnome-user-docs nor ubuntu-docs splits into different languages, it's never been done that way. i guess the packaging for gnome-user-docs originally came from debian, but that's about all I know