[00:00]  * J_Litewski is bored
[00:05] <UKGent> Litewski   mess your Linux box up and then try to get out of it lol
[00:06] <J_Litewski> lol
[00:06] <J_Litewski> i don't have a livecd incase i screw it up
[00:07] <UKGent> Litewski I am operating off Wubi - so I just switch to windows and re-install Linux again. One of the few advantages of the arrangement
[00:08] <UKGent> I only keep Windows because I like to run some software named 'Logos' which is huge and has no Linux Version
[00:12] <J_Litewski> can i update my tool command language from 8.4 to 8.5?
[00:16] <UKGent> Litewski A voice crying in the wilderness !
[00:16] <J_Litewski> :?
[00:17] <UKGent> Your single unanswered question...
[00:17] <J_Litewski> ah
[00:17] <J_Litewski> is it me or is Synaptic running kinda laggy?
[00:19] <UKGent> Litewski I have been OK so far but sometimes the mirror sites do seem to get very slow. It seems to depend on where the packages are stored
[00:19] <J_Litewski> true
[00:20] <J_Litewski> but the program itself is kinda laggy
[00:22] <UKGent> Litewski     Would not that be to do with your local machine or network?
[00:22] <J_Litewski> it was running just fine yesterday
[00:23] <UKGent> Litewski Are you on a Network?
[00:23] <J_Litewski> nope, at home
[00:23] <J_Litewski> ata 10mb router
[00:24] <UKGent> Broadband ?
[00:24] <J_Litewski> cable
[00:24] <UKGent> Are you likely to be sharing with a lot of people during some periods ? That can slow cable sometimes
[00:25] <UKGent> I am on DSL and it is pretty variable
[00:25] <UKGent> I know because I have monitored it
[00:25] <J_Litewski> usually, the living room tv is on, but other than that, no
[00:26] <UKGent> Ye - but they might share you with other people using the cable company
[00:27] <J_Litewski> true
[00:27] <J_Litewski> it's also not a FiO backbone eighter
[00:27] <UKGent> None of these companies are ever really honest about the actual average performance they can practically deliver
[00:28] <J_Litewski> i wish i was in texas, cable starts at 50mb/s there
[00:28] <UKGent> some of the advertised speeds are fictitious
[00:29] <UKGent> I am on about 4mb/s in reality but they claim much higher
[00:29] <J_Litewski> Texas is also a completely Fibre Optic backbone
[00:29] <UKGent> I have a Fibre Optic Cable right along the street outside - but I am on DSL lol
[00:29] <J_Litewski> DSL is usually 25mb/s too
[00:30] <UKGent> I am on ADSL BT   which is not bad but they are planning to get it much faster in the future
[00:31] <J_Litewski> yea, my friend Alex uses them for his servers
[00:32] <J_Litewski> if fibre wasn't so expensive here, i would use it
[00:32] <J_Litewski> FiOTV is usually around $100/mo
[00:32] <UKGent> It is fine for my purpose's - I am not really into downloading a lot of video or anything like that. I use the 'Downloademal' Firefox Extension, which accelerates an software downloads by quite a bit.
[00:33] <J_Litewski> nice
[00:33] <UKGent> sorry 'Download them all'
[00:33] <unluckyuser> yeah DTa is awesome
[00:33] <unluckyuser> also check out flashgot if dta doesn't suit you
[00:34] <UKGent> unluckyuser  I will check it out - thanks
[00:34] <J_Litewski> does Thunar have an FTP browser?
[00:35] <UKGent> Litewski - I was going to ask that earlier - could'nt see one. Ended up downloading gFtp
[00:35] <UKGent> Which is a good 'stand alone' application
[00:35] <unluckyuser> gftp crashes on me sometimes, filezilla is a little more reliable
[00:35] <J_Litewski> i was just wondering, if it doesn't, i'm going to register a blueprint for it
[00:36] <J_Litewski> since that would be a nice feature for thunar
[00:37] <UKGent> Litewski - on ubuntu you can just choose 'connect with remote server' and it hooks the remote site into the file system
[00:38] <UKGent> I wonder if you could not just type the ftp address into the address bar?
[00:38] <UKGent> Like Windows
[00:38] <UKGent> but I don't know how secure that is
[00:38] <J_Litewski> idk, you could try
[00:39] <UKGent> people forget that you can do that - I used to do it on windows
[00:39] <J_Litewski> heh
[00:39] <J_Litewski> to bad explorer is so buggy and uses IE
[00:40] <UKGent> you just put ftp instead of http on the address bar
[00:40] <UKGent> I hate IE and not just out of prejudice - I find it SO SLOW
[00:40] <J_Litewski> it is!
[00:41] <J_Litewski> and CSS in it looks like crap too
[00:41] <J_Litewski> whats a good ftp site to try and connect to?
[00:42] <UKGent> Litewski I am trying to think of one with anonymous ftp - just to test but I can't think of one
[00:42] <UKGent> I know my own personal site but there is no way I am going to discuss that on here  lol
[00:43] <UKGent> I will try it and see though ...
[00:43] <J_Litewski> nope, Thunar doesn't support ftp
[00:44] <UKGent> but you might be able to do it from Firefox
[00:44] <J_Litewski> you can
[00:44] <UKGent> and in any case - firefox has an ftp extension which is pretty good - although I am not using it
[00:45] <J_Litewski> it's good
[00:45] <genii> fireftp
[00:46] <UKGent> genii ye - I have used it in the past - I like Firefox anyway
[00:46] <genii> Me too
[00:47] <UKGent> I tend to do all the fancy stuff via Firefox Extensions and leave Xfce as minimal as possible. I don't like to 'bloat out' the Desktop or OS
[00:50] <J_Litewski> me too UKGent, the more one program can do, the better
[00:52] <UKGent> Litewski Agreed, you can end up 'bloating out' Firefox but at least then, your system only runs slow from that Browser and you can always 'thin out' your extensions. Whereas , if you load too many packages which increase the capability of the Desktop, you can end up with Linux running slow as a whole.
[00:52] <UKGent> that is the main reason I have switched from ununtu to xubuntu
[00:54] <J_Litewski> right
[00:55] <J_Litewski> i'm weeding out packages that i don't use
[00:56] <UKGent> Litewski don't believe a word I say because I am a rank beginner who just 'follows his nose' - I am probably talking nonsense most of the time, without TheSheep and people like that to guide me !  lol
[00:57] <UKGent> Litewski - Good idea - and you can run that routine from BASH which cleans things up automatically - that seems useful
[00:58] <UKGent> Litewski Did you say that you are thinking of putting a suggestion forward for 'Thunar' ?
[02:04] <J_Litewski> yea, for a FTP plugin
[02:05] <J_Litewski> just switching to higher versions of some packages (like lct8.4 to 8.5), i got rid of 4 or 5 files that wern't needed
[02:05] <J_Litewski> and I don't need fileroller, because squeeze works just as well
[02:06] <UKGent> Litewski Good idea. It should be made to be completely 'seamless' and treat the remote site as an integral part of Thunar        Yes, I did a similar thing earlier and if you install new applications from the Terminal, it prompts you as to how many redundant packages you can remove.
[02:09] <J_Litewski> i already weeded the redundant packages, now it's just removing stuff i don't need
[02:13] <UKGent> it just does it automatically - if you tell it to.  No doubt about it, 'housekeeping' can be a boring subject but it keeps your system 'lean & mean' !
[02:14] <J_Litewski> true
[02:15] <UKGent> Just reviewing my 'delicious' bookmarks - my 'tag cloud' is getting quite impressive - I will be as big as Yahoo soon !
[02:18] <J_Litewski> nice
[02:19] <J_Litewski> it seems the longer synaptic is open, the slower it gets
[02:21] <J_Litewski> i'm going to check launchpad to see if this is a bug
[02:21] <UKGent> I tend to be careful not to run too many (if any) apps. in the background, when conducting 'Synaptic' operations.  It gets upset if it gets interrupted...       Good idea !
[02:22] <J_Litewski> i usually run firefox and pidgin while in synaptic
[02:22] <J_Litewski> never gave me a problem before
[02:23] <UKGent> I am careful about Firefox because I have so many things loaded onto it and usually all running at the same time lol    Well, it depends on how capable each individual system is , I suppose. I do not have a lot of RAM to play with.
[02:24] <UKGent> Litewski - I will run Synaptic and see how it seems from this end  ...
[02:31] <GreedyB> so I'm a bit confused.. something happened with my panel and I lost my volume control and I'm unable to add it through the add panel screen.. how can I reset it back to default so I can rebuild it?
[03:19] <n2diy> GreedyB, I'm having the same problem, have you found a fix?
[03:25] <gorgut> n2diy, I had a similar problem. I had to go to XFCE menu > settings > settings manager > sound and choose the device other than default. That allowed me to add the volume control back to my panel
[04:05] <n2diy> gorgut: I went to apps-settings-sound, and didn't see any options?
[04:37] <gorgut> n2diy, in your settings manager.
[04:58] <n2diy> gorgut: I went to apps-settings-settings manager-sound, and didn't see any options?
[05:01] <gorgut> n2diy, i don't understand where you're going...? apps?
[05:01] <n2diy> gorgut: the applications menu on my panel.
[05:02] <gorgut> n2diy, ohh. ok... lol. i took the label off mine.. forgot it used to say applications
[05:04] <gorgut> n2diy, when you click on sound, there should be a drop down menu that lets you choose the device.
[05:04] <n2diy> gorgut: ah, ok, so was settings manager-sound the place I was suppored to be? The only options there where to select inputs and outputs, nothing related to displaying the icon.
[05:06] <gorgut> n2diy, yeah, all I had to do was choose the device other than "default", then I could go back to the panel and add the volume thingy
[05:08] <n2diy> gorgut: ok, I got it, you have to drag the icon from the panel-add page, to the panel, selecting it, and clicking on the add button doesn't do it.
[06:52] <Grant-A> what is the command to open the terminal in XFCE?
[06:54] <CloseYetFar> I think its xfce-terminal
[06:54] <CloseYetFar> I think its xfce4-terminal
[06:54] <CloseYetFar> do xfce and hit tab
[06:55] <Grant-A> ah, thanks :)
[06:55] <CloseYetFar> np
[07:14] <freego> xD
[09:46] <sdf2> hi
[09:46] <sdf2> what is the name of the xfce taskmanager?
[11:05] <Kangarooo> Hello! I want the fastest stable linux sistem so i installed Xubuntu and i got everything just like i need exept in Thunar i cant get Network Places! I need to connect to my other computer shared folders and also to this computers windows- this comp is dual boot Xubuntu/Windows
[11:05] <Kangarooo> How Can i get Thunnar to connect to Network places? Cant find it on google
[11:10] <CloseYetFar> I think its xfsamba4
[11:12] <CloseYetFar> I know Thunar can not do it all by its self
[11:25] <Kangarooo> are Xubuntu developers here?
[11:26] <knome> Kangarooo, #xubuntu-devel, but free to ask here also
[11:26] <Kangarooo> if yes then please make in next version or in update possible to connect to network places and mount other drives..
[11:26] <knome> in jaunty there is gigolo
[11:27] <knome> i personally use ssh/*fs which is already in intrepid, but might be a bit harder to set up
[11:27] <Kangarooo> Gigolo is name for programm replace Thunnar?
[11:27] <knome> no.
[11:28] <knome> thunar won't be replaced.
[11:34] <Kangarooo> cant find gigolo in synaptic
[11:43] <knome> Kangarooo, in jaunty?
[11:44] <Kangarooo> Xubuntu 8.10 i dont know special names..
[11:45] <knome> 8.10 is intrepid. gigolo is not in intrepid.
[11:45] <knome> jaunty is release in about a month
[11:45] <knome> +d
[11:45] <Kangarooo> 8.10 name is jaunty?
[11:46] <Slonkie> 8.10's name is intrepid
[11:46] <Kangarooo> ou and whats jaunty?
[11:47] <knome> 9.04 is jaunty
[11:47] <Kangarooo> soon will be somekind new 9.04 beta ubuntu so maybe also xubuntu 9.04 will be
[11:48] <Kangarooo> ou ok i yesterday donwloaded xubuntu 8.10
[11:48] <knome> Kangarooo, yes, there is already xubuntu jaunty (9.04) beta
[11:48] <knome> Kangarooo, you will get a notification to updating to jaunty once it's released
[11:48] <Kangarooo> 25 or 26 days to ubuntu releases
[11:49] <knome> 24th of April.
[11:49] <Kangarooo> i beter not use beta :) since its a long way to put all programms for me
[11:50] <Kangarooo> ill update on 24th april xubuntu on notification
[11:55] <Kangarooo> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=304131     ow to: Xubuntu - Thunar Native Windows Network Browsing
[11:55] <Kangarooo> found something :)
[11:55] <knome> yes, there is ways to browse windows networks with xubuntu
[11:56] <knome> but they are more or less not user friendly
[12:10] <Kangarooo> ou so you know this thread? so gigolo is best way? is it like plugin for thunar?
[12:22] <knome> gigolo - frontend to manage connections to remote filesystems using GIO/GVFS
[12:22] <knome> not exactly a plugin. just a program which handles those mounts
[12:24] <Slonkie> Anyone in here experienced in using pyNeighborhood ?
[12:44] <Kangarooo> xubuntu 9.04 will have xfce 4.6?
[12:44] <Kangarooo> http://www.xfce.org/about/tour
[12:50] <vtrt> Hi question how to run blueman?
[12:50] <vtrt> i mean what is the command from console?
[13:06] <slow-motion> hi
[13:35]  * elfgoh looks for signs of life
[13:51]  * knome farts
[13:55]  * elfgoh covers nose
[13:56] <knome> do you need more signs of life or maybe some support?
[13:56] <elfgoh> knome: I don;t need those. Juz taking a break from the hustle and hustle of #ubuntu
[13:57] <knome> :)
[13:57] <knome> right
[13:57]  * knome orders a sof for elfgoh 
[13:57] <knome> *sofa
[13:58]  * elfgoh takes a seat and thanks knome
[13:59] <_Pete_> !vnc
[14:00] <knome> _Pete_, you can also search ubottu with /query
[14:00] <_Pete_> thanks for the info
[14:00] <knome> np
[14:01] <_Pete_> I am still willing to help ubuntus
[14:02] <_Pete_> still swithched to debian
[14:02] <_Pete_> after being furstrated "it doesnt work"
[14:05] <knome> what is not working?
[16:05] <sofias> hi everyone
[16:05] <charlie-tca> !hi | sofias
[16:05] <sofias> i have a problem with fullscreen-3D-games
[16:06] <charlie-tca> !question
[16:07] <sofias> it's just pixel juice so i cannot even exit fullscreen
[16:08] <sofias> i have an ati card, xubuntu 8.10 and the fglrx drivers
[16:10] <sofias> and a dualcore athlon 64
[17:06] <Salix_> Hello! I customised my Xfce hotkeys. (E.g. Super-I is the IRC client.) But checking the list of hotkeys I see that only the Default version is available. Is it possible that system updates erased my set? :-(
[17:09] <cody-somerville> Salix_, did you update recently?
[17:14] <Salix_> cody-somerville: it's 8.04 updated with system updates only
[17:14] <cody-somerville> I can't imagine an update to 8.04 causing that
[17:15] <Salix_> cody-somerville: that's a good news :-)
[17:15] <Salix_> cody-somerville: is there a way to make my customised set reappear?
[17:16] <Salix_> (It does exist as the hokeys work. It's just that the set does not appear under the default one in settings.)
[17:17] <cody-somerville> You probably created a new set
[17:17] <cody-somerville> Or you're looking at the window manager shortcuts and not the keyboard shortcuts
[17:19] <Kangarooo> Ok So now im going to install fastest way Xubuntu 9.04 beta using usb Wifi Using Mini.iso ubuntu 8.10 in #Ubuntu
[17:21] <Kangarooo> Ok So now im going to install fastest way Xubuntu 9.04 beta using usb Wifi Using Mini.iso ubuntu 8.10 in #Ubuntu+1
[17:30] <ruadh> I'm having problems getting sound to work in xubuntu. Can anyone help?
[17:30] <vinnl> !sound
[17:34] <ruadh> thanks
[17:35] <Salix_> cody-somerville: you were right... I checked the wm instead of keyboard shortcuts. {:-.
[17:35] <Salix_> cody-somerville: thanks! :)
[17:45] <BigMoopies> Is it possible to turn num lock on as soon as you sign in?
[17:45] <BigMoopies> login
[17:45] <BigMoopies> LOL
[17:48] <cody-somerville> lol
[17:48] <cody-somerville> BigMoopies, yes, its possible.
[17:48] <cody-somerville> !numlock
[17:53] <BigMoopies> OK, I suppose I should give it a try
[17:56] <BigMoopies> Worked like a charm.
[17:57] <BigMoopies> I'm still debating if it will be worth getting Jaunty from hardy?  I'm thinking about just waiting on the next LTS
[18:00] <cody-somerville> BigMoopies, Jaunty boots quite a bit faster :)
[18:00] <BigMoopies> cody-somerville, Yeah but I got Hardy working .
[18:00] <BigMoopies> cody-somerville, and I don't wanna screw nothing up.
[18:01]  * cody-somerville nods.
[18:01] <cody-somerville> Understandable
[18:01] <BigMoopies> Intrepid was a disaster with my NIC
[18:06] <BigMoopies> Another thing, I have an external hard drive that's acting funny.  It acts like it's being unplugged/replugged in.. and it pops up the files in a folder automatically when it's re detected
[18:06] <BigMoopies> Is it possible for it to stop that ? like in GNOME it asked if I wanted to run it
[18:10] <cody-somerville> What does dmesg say when thats happening?
[18:16] <BigMoopies> [161053.457756] Buffer I/O error on device sdd1, logical block 786433
[18:16] <BigMoopies> over and over
[18:16] <BigMoopies> Looks like it's going bad on me
[18:17] <BigMoopies> is it possible to format it with NTFS or something in Xubuntu ?
[18:18] <BigMoopies> or how should I go about it
[18:18] <vinnl> I think Gparted allows you to do that
[18:18] <BigMoopies> I guess the idea would be to format and hope it stops messing around ?
[18:19] <BigMoopies> or any other ideas?
[18:21] <J_Litewski> where do i find crash reports? xfce-mixer-plugin crashed again while shutting down
[18:30] <cody-somerville> J_Litewski, /var/crash/
[18:30] <cody-somerville> J_Litewski, I assume you're using Jaunty?
[18:30] <J_Litewski> yep
[18:31] <cody-somerville> J_Litewski, The issue is known, lots of bug reports filed already
[18:31] <cody-somerville> J_Litewski, did you just want to report it or did you want to try and fix it? :)
[18:31] <J_Litewski> i know, it's insaine
[18:31] <J_Litewski> if i knew what was wrong, i could try and fix it
[18:31]  * J_Litewski is still kinda new at C
[18:32] <cody-somerville> :)
[18:32] <cody-somerville> The issue is that xfce4-mixer attempts to free a NULL pointer
[18:32] <cody-somerville> (IIRC)
[18:32] <J_Litewski> speaking of that, does your synaptic run slow?
[18:33] <cody-somerville> I don't generally run synaptics
[18:33] <J_Litewski> apt-get i take it then
[18:33] <cody-somerville> that or add/remove
[18:33] <J_Litewski> i've been using that until i can figure out what's slowing down synaptics
[18:36] <_lokko_> please.. my xubuntu have problens..
[18:36] <_lokko_> i load xubuntu live
[18:36] <_lokko_> and.. i need executes the install for the pendrive
[18:36] <_lokko_> i have the xubuntu installer in my usb pendrive
[18:37] <_lokko_> how to execut it ?
[18:37] <vinnl> How did you put it on your pendrive?
[18:41] <_lokko_> vinnl all content of cd..
[18:42] <_lokko_> casper.. isolinux..
[18:42] <_lokko_> sorry for my english
[18:42] <vinnl> Do you also have a LiveCD?
[18:43] <_lokko_> vinnl i load the xubuntu by liveCD.. but.. my cd have problens.. when.. i copy the folders of ISO cd.. for my usb pendrive
[18:43] <_lokko_> live cd load the xubuntu.. but not install
[18:43] <vinnl> Which version is the LiveCD?
[18:43] <_lokko_> 9.04 beta
[18:44] <vinnl> Right... You might want to check in the menu, Applications->System->Startup Disk Creator
[18:45] <_lokko_> ok.. moment
[18:49] <cody-somerville> Yea
[18:49] <cody-somerville> copying the files isn't going to work
[18:51] <_lokko_> not exists the option in menu
[18:52] <vinnl> Nothing that relates to creating startup disks? Under System
[18:52] <cody-somerville> It might be called "USB Startup Disk Creator".
[18:53] <_lokko_> no.. Synaptic.. Install in computer,, partition editor..
[18:54] <_lokko_> xubuntu is fast to run applications thin-client based ?
[18:54] <vinnl> Well, it's dinner time here, the only thing I can do is point you to a guide I wrote on this earlier
[18:54] <vinnl> Here, see this: http://xubuntublog.wordpress.com/2008/11/07/ubuntu-from-your-flash-drive-easier-than-ever-before/
[18:54] <vinnl> And bye :)
[18:54] <_lokko_> ok.. thank's
[18:54] <_lokko_> for your patience hehe
[18:55] <vinnl> np ;-)
[19:03] <J_Litewski> this is going to be interesting...
[19:18] <J_Litewski> now, cody-somerville, a NULL pointer is something like g_free(function->class), correct?
[19:18] <cody-somerville> J_Litewski, something like that, yea.
[19:19] <J_Litewski> kk, i think i found it then
[19:19] <cody-somerville> J_Litewski, Indeed. I found it too. However, the question is... how does it become NULL?
[19:19] <J_Litewski> good point
[19:20] <cody-somerville> Somewhere, the string containing the name of the mixer track selected is being set to NULL.
[19:21] <J_Litewski> hmm
[19:23] <J_Litewski> i'm just amazed that there really isn't any Null checking
[19:23]  * cody-somerville nods.
[19:25] <J_Litewski> line 135, mixer_plugin->track_label = NULL;
[19:25] <J_Litewski> if that doesn't change, wouldn't that cause the null problem?
[19:28] <J_Litewski> or if, when the mixer is setting the track, it instead sets Null?
[19:44] <LinusTorvalds> is it possible to run Xubuntu on a 400MHz, 64MB RAM toshiba tecra8000?
[19:46] <J_Litewski> LinusTorvalds: I don't think so, I believe the graphical install requires 198MB of ram, but i may be wrong
[19:46] <LinusTorvalds> can't i install with the alternate?
[19:47] <J_Litewski> i think that uses 128mb of ram
[19:47] <J_Litewski> you can always try
[19:48] <LinusTorvalds> i will try
[19:48] <J_Litewski> TheSheep, you there?
[19:49] <J_Litewski> !install
[19:49] <J_Litewski> !automate
[19:51] <J_Litewski> LinusTorvalds, it seems you can install
[19:51] <LinusTorvalds> yes it seems indeed
[19:51] <LinusTorvalds> i'll try
[19:51] <J_Litewski> tell us how it goes!
[19:52] <LinusTorvalds> i'll let you know
[19:55] <LinusTorvalds> it says the cd is corrupt :(
[19:55] <LinusTorvalds> burning a new one...
[19:55] <LinusTorvalds> what burning speed should i choose? 8x?
[19:55] <J_Litewski> 4x to be safe
[19:56] <LinusTorvalds> ok, 4x then
[19:56] <J_Litewski> 8x works if you have a high end cd burner
[19:57] <LinusTorvalds> well, i don't want to burn again, so i've chosen 4x
[19:57] <J_Litewski> right
[19:58] <slow-motion> bye
[19:59] <LinusTorvalds> still 20 minutes to go.....................................................................................
[20:01] <LinusTorvalds> stopped the burning process, i just discovered i already had a hardy heron cd :)
[20:02] <J_Litewski> nice
[20:02] <LinusTorvalds> it's booting
[20:04] <LinusTorvalds> going well so far, selected lang. and keyboard
[20:04] <owen1> I got an annoying popup whenever i login that tells me "Your session only lasted less than 10 seconds..." when i view details (~/.xsession-errors) i see stuff like this: "/usr/bin/xmodmap:  unable to open file '/usr/share/apps/kxkb/ubuntu.xmodmap' for reading"
[20:05] <owen1> and this: "** (xfce-mcs-manager:5974): WARNING **: display_plugin: Unable to configure display resolution"
[20:08] <LinusTorvalds> it doesn't get any further than 'starting up the partitioner'
[20:09] <J_Litewski> is it the alteritive install cd?
[20:09] <LinusTorvalds> yes it is
[20:09] <J_Litewski> hmm
[20:12] <LinusTorvalds> maybe xubuntu is too intensive for the hardware?
[20:13] <LinusTorvalds> should i try fluxbuntu
[20:13] <LinusTorvalds> i'll try tomorrow again, thanks for your help, goodbye!
[20:33] <xiq> hello, how can i make the startbar appear again?
[20:34] <J_Litewski> good question xiq
[20:34] <J_Litewski> lets see
[20:35] <xiq> ok
[20:36] <J_Litewski> if i could remember the shortcut to run...
[20:39] <J_Litewski> hmmm
[20:41] <J_Litewski> xiq alt+ctrl+F4 and use command xfce4-panel -c
[20:44] <J_Litewski> damnit, didn't work
[20:44] <xiqxiq> ok its me again. i mean "panel" not taskbar
[20:45] <J_Litewski> alt+F2 to get to the Run dialog, then xfce4-panel -c
[20:46] <xiqxiq> thx
[20:46] <xiqxiq> why -c?
[20:46] <J_Litewski> -c opens the customization window
[20:46] <xiqxiq> oh ok
[20:46] <xiqxiq> thx goodbye
[20:52] <J_Litewski> brb
[20:52] <Mood> Help! I've had no problems with my monitor/video for over a year, then today when i looked at my computer screen, I have these horrible horizontal streaks and shadows. It looks like a frequency issue, but I'm already operating at 75 Hz like I always did. I've confirmed my monitor is not the issue. I'm using a GeForce2 AGP card. Any ideas?
[20:54] <J_Litewski> ah, there it is
[20:54] <J_Litewski> i lost my text bar for a sec
[20:56] <jarnos> Mood: try different modes by xrandr
[21:36] <J_Litewski> do i need apt-build?
[22:12] <Mood> is there a temperature monitor for xubuntu out of the box? or do i need to install something like xfce4-sensors?
[22:13] <J_Litewski> just a sec Mood
[22:13] <Mood> xubuntu 8.10
[22:14] <Mood> i'm looking for small footprint
[22:15] <J_Litewski> i don't think xubuntu has one out of the box, but there is one
[22:17] <CppIsWeird> I have a box that keeps getting stuck randomly on "Starting Basic Networking..." either it will sit there FOREVER (waited days) or it will boot right through. The success of booting has gotten lower and lower to non-existant. What can I do to figure out what this problem is?
[22:18] <vinnl> CppIsWeird, a wireless connection that can't connect?
[22:19] <CppIsWeird> no
[22:20] <TheSheep> see the logs for the failed boots
[22:20] <TheSheep> they are in /var/log
[22:21] <TheSheep> the ones from previous boot are called .0, the ones from the one before .1 etc.
[22:22] <CppIsWeird> kk
[22:22] <CppIsWeird> well... im thinking hardware issues seeings as how when i reboot now i get a blank screen
[22:24] <TheSheep> CppIsWeird: either that, or hardware compatibility issues
[22:25] <TheSheep> CppIsWeird: the logs should give some clue
[22:41] <zekAtreides> i installed xubuntu 8.10 on an IBM thinkpad A20m it installed fine and at the login window the mouse cursor moves fluently and for a short time after i log in it moves fluently then it starts lagging really badly,  ideas?
[22:43] <zekAtreides> is this the wrong place to ask xubuntu questions?
[22:46] <afallenhope> umm where the chan for the beta sorry
[22:47] <zekAtreides> i installed xubuntu 8.10 on an IBM thinkpad A20m it installed fine and at the login window the mouse cursor moves fluently and for a short time after i log in it moves fluently then it starts lagging really badly,  ideas?
[22:53] <knome> afallenhope, #ubuntu+1
[22:54] <afallenhope> ty knome
[22:57] <knome> zekAtreides, this is the right place but please do not flood.
[22:57] <knome> !question | zekAtreides
[22:57] <knome> (last line especially)
[22:58] <zekAtreides> sorry
[22:58] <knome> np
[23:00] <Digital_Pioneer> Hi. I just can't help but wonder, how is Xubuntu supposed to be pronounced?
[23:06] <knome> Digital_Pioneer, there's been a thread of that in the Xubuntu users list: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-users/2009-February/thread.html (messages 12-16 counting from top)
[23:07] <Digital_Pioneer> knome: Zoobuntu, cool, thanks. :)
[23:08] <knome> np.
[23:09] <J_Litewski> Digital: Ex-u-bu-nu
[23:10] <pleia2> J_Litewski: maybe that's how you say it :)
[23:10] <J_Litewski> yea
[23:10] <J_Litewski> it's easier for me to say it that way
[23:11] <zek> so any ideas on the cursor lagging?
[23:34] <zekAtreides> this might be a stupid question but is dsl debian based?
[23:34] <CloseYetFar> I believe so
[23:35] <zekAtreides> ok
[23:35] <zekAtreides> thanks
[23:35] <CloseYetFar> yup
[23:36] <zekAtreides> is xubuntu 8.10 more bloated than the other versions?
[23:56] <CloseYetFar> yea but not enough that you will notice a difference
[23:57] <CloseYetFar> if you really want a truely minimal system I would look into debian or gentoo