[00:00] <rww> Kangarooo: lv.ubuntu.com isn't a server, as far as I can tell.
[00:00] <Kangarooo> but i will not wait 3 days for download someking update
[00:00] <rww> lv.archive.ubuntu.com, maybe?
[00:00] <Kangarooo> then mirror server
[00:00] <Kangarooo> repository.. packages ... updates from where come? wait..
[00:01] <rww> Kangarooo: lv.archive.ubuntu.com does mirror jaunty, and is in the middle of a mirror update right now.
[00:01] <rww> Kangarooo: so if you wait a few hours, it should be up to date
[00:02] <Kangarooo> ftp.linux.edu.lv in software sources but when downloading list it says lv.archive.ubuntu.com
[00:02] <Kangarooo> hmm well ok
[00:02] <Kangarooo> :)
[00:03] <Kangarooo> so now is first mirror updates for jaunty transmitting to latvia?
[00:03] <schierbeck> okay, i've downgraded to 7.2.079-1ubuntu5, and i'm no longer getting the error messages, but i'm still unable to turn syntax highlighting on...
[00:03] <schierbeck> this is really weird...
[00:04] <Kangarooo> wow.. how can u downgrade?
[00:04] <rww> Kangarooo: It's possible that this is the first time since the Beta came out, yes
[00:04] <Kangarooo> aah ok :)
[00:04] <schierbeck> Kangarooo: i disabled all 3rd party repos, did an update and reinstalled the vim packages
[00:04] <Kangarooo> from 9.04?
[00:05] <schierbeck> nope, just a few packages
[00:05] <Kangarooo> but this channel is for 9.04
[00:05] <Kangarooo> no ?
[00:05] <cyphermox> schierbeck, you reinstalled which packages?
[00:06] <schierbeck> cyphermox: vim-gnome and its dependencies; vim-runtime, vim-common and vim-gui-common
[00:06] <cyphermox> heh, weird indeed
[00:06] <schierbeck> yup
[00:06] <Kangarooo> you are trying to get 9.04? download iso and when booting upgrade option maybe?
[00:07] <schierbeck> i'll try renaming my dotfiles and see if something works
[00:07] <carl0s-> which java vm should I use? Is one better than the rest? It's to run ps3 media server.
[00:08] <cousteau> do you mean, which jre? I'm using 6.12 and works nice
[00:08] <Kangarooo> i have 1gb ram very old laptop.. how much swap shoul i put?
[00:08] <cousteau> and I'm on Hardy XD
[00:09] <Kangarooo> if ill put 2gb swap will it work faster?
[00:09] <Aggro> Kangarooo: From my experience, it is best not to use swap at all.
[00:10] <Aggro> Kangarooo: If you have no swap and you run out of memory, kernel starts to shoot down processes to release memory
[00:10] <carl0s-> I guess a jre sounds right.. choices I have are gij, kaffe etc. I am trying gij-4.3
[00:10] <rww> Aggro: on 1GB of RAM, that's probably not smart
[00:10] <Aggro> kangaroo, if you have swap and you run out of memory, computer just becomes really slow
[00:10] <Kangarooo> hmmm cool ok.. so will 1gb ram be good to run firefox with many many tabs and netbeans?
[00:10] <JonCharge> Can anyone here set importance on the bugtrracker?
[00:10] <cyphermox> Aggro: depends how important your processes are :)
[00:10] <rww> JonCharge: ask in #ubuntu-bugs
[00:10] <Kangarooo> yeees i hate that and i thought maybe its becouse i put too low swap
[00:10] <JonCharge> k
[00:10] <Aggro> 1gb, I run ltsp server and had 2 users on a computer with that much memory. And also virtualbox
[00:11] <calc> alteredud: hmm?
[00:11] <Kangarooo> Aggro: without swap?
[00:11] <Aggro> yes, without swap
[00:12] <JonCharge> rww, all silent, I'll ask again later as well.  :)
[00:12] <JonCharge> in -bugs
[00:12] <Kangarooo> but ive read 1 year ago that swap i what makes linux faster.. ? or has better swap then windows..
[00:12] <rww> JonCharge: just stick around in there. It takes a while sometimes
[00:12] <JonCharge> k
[00:13] <Kangarooo> or something like that.. but definetly that linux needs swap.. well i have never tryd without swap
[00:13] <Aggro> Kangarooo: That might have been cache you have been reading about. Swap doesn't make computer faster, it makes it slower.
[00:13] <Aggro> Kangarooo: Only advantage from swap is that you can consume more memory that you really have.
[00:13] <tremby> since upgrading one of my machines can't resolve hostnames. or rather, it can resolve them with host or dig but /can't/ with ping or with a browser etc. i watched wireshark and no packets go out when i try to ping -- there's no output and i have to control-c. what might be wrong?
[00:13] <Kangarooo> omfg - we need to tell every one that
[00:13] <PhotoJim> You can run Linux without swap, but there is little point.  disk space is cheap, and swap can be a godsend in the situation that you do run out of physical RAM.
[00:13] <tremby> i should mention that the other machines on the network are fine, and the settings look the same
[00:13] <calc> if you run without swap you might want to tweak the knob to not allow overcommit of memory either
[00:14] <calc> i can't recall what it is named as I haven't used it in a couple years
[00:14] <Kangarooo> well with partitioner using live cd i can make later swap right>?
[00:14] <Aggro> PhotoJim: My computer becomes so slow that I often have to reset it to recover when I run out of memory. Which is why I prefer a few dead processes.
[00:14] <Aggro> Kangarooo: I think it is easier to disable than enable it later.
[00:14] <PhotoJim> Aggro: for that circumstance, it might make sense, but solving the memory leakage problem or increasing physical RAM, if you are just running more stuff than the RAM can handle, are better long-term solutions.
[00:15] <bsnider> PhotoJim, swap is slower than physical ram and there are those of us that won't run out of it
[00:15] <Kangarooo> ou i have idea
[00:15] <PhotoJim> bsnider: yup, definitely slower.  and your call.
[00:16] <Kangarooo> swap in start of the physical disk..
[00:16] <Kangarooo> that will be faster :)
[00:16] <Kangarooo> for swap..
[00:16] <Kangarooo> no?
[00:16] <PhotoJim> marginally.
[00:16] <tremby> Kangarooo: what's your use case? my swap extremely rarely gets used
[00:17] <calc> PhotoJim: should be a lot faster than eg the end of the disk
[00:17] <bsnider> it's slower regardless
[00:17] <calc> generally first of disk is ~ 2x as fast as end of disk
[00:17] <calc> still a lot slower than ram though
[00:17] <PhotoJim> calc: yes, but you have to consider that your system is using the rest of the disk too.  the most important information should be at the beginning of the disk.
[00:17] <Kangarooo> ? use case? if i understand correctly then for what yes? firefox many tabs and netbeans ruby on rails
[00:17] <PhotoJim> calc: and in a memory-poor system that might be swap, but in a memory-rich one that won't be.
[00:17] <calc> i have some in swap even on 4GB with only 940M used
[00:17] <Kangarooo> and maybe latter some perverse programms :)
[00:18] <bsnider> i didn't use swap on a 2gb system
[00:18] <calc> PhotoJim: i setup my system with swap first, small root/home/etc partition (16GB) then all the rest for random crap storage
[00:18] <calc> PhotoJim: so pretty much all of swap and regular running stuff is in the first 20GB of the disk
[00:18] <Kangarooo> wise
[00:19] <PhotoJim> calc: I usually put my swap at the end of the disk out of habit, but I recently deployed a RAID1 system where I put the swap at the beginning of the disks.  We'll see if it helps.  :)
[00:20] <calc> PhotoJim: iirc my disk does ~ 100MB/s at the beginning and ~ 50MB/s at the end, both of which is more than order of magnitude slower than ram
[00:20] <calc> i just have a laptop drive though, desktop drives should be faster
[00:20] <PhotoJim> calc: yup, but the relative difference isn't likely too much.
[00:22] <Kangarooo> i have motherfucking old portable yakumo from germany with german chipset and it had windows and i put gos at end then linux mint instead of gos and now xubuntu couse year ago i remember xubuntu was really faster but i f**ed somehow system so yesterday with live cd i deleted all linux put windows from start to end and put xubuntu in start of disk
[00:22] <carl0s-> is there a firewall on by default in jaunty ? my torrents are working.. port appears to be open.
[00:22] <Kangarooo> WOW how is possible 100MB/s?
[00:22] <Kangarooo> how much rpm :D
[00:22] <carl0s-> iptables -L shows nothing except ACCEPT, which looks good.
[00:22] <calc> Kangarooo: seagate momentus 7200.4 500GB drive
[00:23] <Kangarooo> 7200 ? e? 100mb/s?
[00:23] <bsnider> carl0s-, it is permissive out of the box
[00:23] <calc> Kangarooo: yea the new seagate 7200rpm drive
[00:23] <calc> Kangarooo: on a running system it ranges around 95MB/s from hdparm
[00:23] <Kangarooo> noo you are lieing :)
[00:23] <calc> Kangarooo: i think it would probably be 100MB/s or so if i wasn't actually running stuff on the drive a tthe same time
[00:24] <josh-l> how can I check if I have x86_64 firefox installed?
[00:24] <Volkodav> it will you
[00:25] <calc> Kangarooo: i'm pretty sure its the fastest laptop hd available (non-ssd)
[00:25] <Volkodav> tell*
[00:25] <josh-l> Volkodav: what will tell me
[00:25] <carl0s-> bed time. thanks for help, done good :)
[00:26] <Volkodav> the About thing on firefox
[00:26] <josh-l> there are more than one
[00:27] <Volkodav> josh-l are u running a 64 bit system ?
[00:27] <josh-l> yes
[00:27] <Volkodav> then you have firefox 64 bit installed
[00:27] <Kangarooo> how many think i should put swap at start of disk? sai aaaaigh :)
[00:27] <calc>  Timing cached reads:   3670 MB in  2.00 seconds = 1836.39 MB/sec
[00:27] <calc>  Timing buffered disk reads:  286 MB in  3.02 seconds =  94.82 MB/sec
[00:27] <josh-l> Volkodav: not necessarily i dont think
[00:27] <calc> thats on a running system though
[00:27] <josh-l> ive installed seperatley
[00:28] <Kangarooo> ok no one
[00:28] <Kangarooo> how many think i should not use swap?
[00:28] <calc> Kangarooo: if you have no swap... you have no hibernate
[00:28] <calc> so if you are using a laptop you should have swap on it :)
[00:28] <Kangarooo> and is hibernate faster starting?
[00:28] <bsnider> josh-l, how did you install it?
[00:29] <calc> Kangarooo: hibernate allows you save the state of your system with it turned off
[00:29] <josh-l> bsnider: i installed 3.1 via a ppa repo
[00:29] <calc> Kangarooo: its useful for desktops too, but is really needed on laptops imho
[00:29] <Kangarooo> ihave read it also starts faster with hibernate then just start
[00:29] <calc> the speed of hibernate start depends on how much ram you have and how fast your disk is
[00:29] <calc> it reads the memory off the disk to restore the system
[00:30] <calc> eg 4096MB/100MB/s = 41s to restore
[00:30] <josh-l> bsnider:  should firefox 3.1 be faster than 3.0 noticably? because i almost feel like its slower. thats why i'm wondering if its the 64bit version or not.
[00:30] <bsnider> josh-l, i386 debs won't install on a 64 bit system. -all- debs will, but i don't thinkt hat applies here
[00:30] <bsnider> ff 3.1 is mega-fast
[00:30] <Mulder> is it really?
[00:30] <Mulder> felt the same to me
[00:30] <bsnider> well it's different here
[00:30] <calc> _all_ debs are non-architecture files, so firefox should not have binaries in an all deb
[00:31] <josh-l> bsnider: ok becuase its def. not faster than 3.0 on here it actually feels slower
[00:31] <Mulder> xserver 1.6 feels faster than 1.4
[00:31] <calc> josh-l: may depend on what they have the fsync() call set to
[00:31] <calc> there are options (aiui) in firefox to disable it
[00:31] <calc> i'm not sure what the default is on 3.1
[00:31] <Mulder> with compiz at least.
[00:32] <josh-l> calc: sorry i dont understand what you just said...
[00:32] <Kangarooo> so whats more important to be in start of disk.. ? swap or / ?
[00:32] <bsnider> images load instantly. javascript is faster, you name it and ff 3.1 does it faster than 3.0
[00:32] <matrixblue_> sup?
[00:32] <Kangarooo> nothiun drinking beer watchin game
[00:32] <josh-l> bsnider: why is it not for me... 3.0 is at least as fast if not faster here
[00:32] <matrixblue_> cool
[00:32] <JonCharge> I have not had any jaunty updates in a few hours, we are not in a freeze are we?
[00:32] <josh-l> calc: what do you mean
[00:32] <bsnider> no, i've already eaten supper, thanks
[00:32] <calc> josh-l: fsync() causes file writes to hit disk before it returns, which can slow down firefox if is run on an ext3 partition, there is an option to disable fsync() in some versions of firefox as far as i know, but i don't know what the default is on 3.1
[00:33] <josh-l> calc: how about on ext4... which is what i'm running on
[00:33] <bsnider> yeah, i'm using it on ext4/xfs
[00:33] <matrixblue_> my pidgin keeps crashing, I ran it in debug and the last message I got before a segmentation fault was something about DNS
[00:33] <calc> josh-l: oh no idea why it would seem slow on ext4
[00:34] <matrixblue_> dns[19470]: Oops, father has gone, wait for me, wait...!
[00:34] <matrixblue_> Segmentation fault
[00:34] <bsnider> josh-l, what if you run it out of a new user account?
[00:34] <josh-l> alright i'm doing something radical... i think i may have messed things up somehow... i'm reinstalling
[00:35] <josh-l> bbl
[00:35] <afallenhope> hey anyone else have issues with the installer?
[00:35] <QPrime> pwnguin: thanks.  will check it out - I was afk for a little while
[00:36] <afallenhope> the installer freezes at Keyboard Layout xubuntu amd64 desktop
[00:37] <matrixblue_> ne one have any idea what's wrong with pidgin?
[00:37] <josh-l> anyone happen to know where kernel 2.6.29 for jaunty deb is? i forgot
[00:37] <Mulder> err
[00:37] <bsnider> josh-l, did you try it out of a new user account or not?
[00:37] <matrixblue_> When my MSN account is disabled it works
[00:37] <Mulder> id be very surprised if 2.6.29 is in the repo at all
[00:37] <josh-l> bsnider: yeah same thing
[00:37] <josh-l> Mulder: theyre not in a repo
[00:38] <Kangarooo1> yeah
[00:38] <josh-l> but i require it for my laptop, and i'm about to do a reinstall... so i want to know where it is
[00:38] <Kangarooo1> im using pidgin i just got disconected..
[00:38] <Kangarooo1> i know whats wrong with pidgin
[00:38] <bsnider> why do you require it for your laptop?
[00:38] <Kangarooo1> its wrong
[00:38] <Kangarooo1> :)
[00:39] <Volkodav> ubuntu64
[00:39] <josh-l> bsnider: long story, but i cant shutdown/reboot without it
[00:39] <matrixblue_> kangarooo1 what's wrong with it?
[00:39] <Kangarooo1> its wrong :)
[00:39] <Kangarooo1> but actually i also had disconection..
[00:40] <matrixblue_> kangarooo1, seriously I need this fixed. It's been bothering me for a few weeks now
[00:40] <matrixblue_> and it only affects my Jaunty installations
[00:40] <Kangarooo1> update..
[00:40] <Kangarooo1> i dont know then
[00:40] <matrixblue_> kangarooo1: did that
[00:40] <Mulder> josh-l, http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/
[00:41] <matrixblue_> Does anyone here use pidgin with MSN in jaunty?
[00:41] <ddd707> Noob question... regarding the notification area. Is there a way to adjust color/backround etc?
[00:41] <Kangarooo1> ok so im installing xubuntu and now im at partition place..
[00:41] <Kangarooo1> should i use swap on laptop and in witch side? start or slowes side?
[00:42] <Kangarooo1> wtf? how its possible that im with 2 nicks?
[00:42] <Kangarooo1> pidgin bug?
[00:43] <crdlb> I believe pidgin has a "feature" where it doesn't tell you that it had to use an alternate nick
[00:46] <Kangarooo1> but its somekind goust..
[00:46] <Kangarooo1> i was disconected.. pidgin did that or irc server?
[00:49] <crdlb> Kangarooo1: could be pidgin, or it could be network connection problems
[00:49] <crdlb> you can ghost the old nick with '/msg nickserv ghost <nick> <password>'
[00:50] <Kangarooo1> i have motherf&&& internet with secure against loses with many servers or routers or somthing ...
[00:50] <dtchen> err, what?
[00:51] <quentusrex> I'm noticing that an nfs entry in /etc/fstab isn't auto mounting on boot
[00:51] <quentusrex> is there a known issue?
[00:51] <quentusrex> or maybe I have a config set wrong...
[00:52] <quentusrex> running 'sudo mount -a' after boot mounts it properly...
[00:55] <ddd707> hmm looking through the beta, must be blind, where are the notification preferences ?
[00:56] <stephenr82> can you compare  http://tiny.cc/JZwK6  and http://tiny.cc/b1qF5
[00:56] <stephenr82> one has a bolder font than the other
[00:56] <stephenr82> its only started happening since i went to jaunty
[00:56] <stephenr82> how can i fix it? in the cmd line i just do ctrl - and it sorts it, but for guis i dunno
[00:59] <digitaloktay> hi
[01:00] <digitaloktay> i am using new wave as theme but the menus on firefox or openoffice are unreadable
[01:00] <timo1> Any luck with pulsaudio ?
[01:02] <imachine> timo1, 'srong with it ?
[01:03] <imachine> (my issues have gone away, it seems, after backing up evolution and removing ~/.gconf and ~/.gnome*
[01:04] <timo1>  imachine:there were some issues with it and using high cpu, and no sound some times. I thout every one knew
[01:04] <imachine> I had that
[01:04] <imachine> timo1, but it seems it's gone now.
[01:04] <imachine> I'll look into it.
[01:05] <dtchen> timo1: they should be resolved already. if you're still experiencing the symptoms, please file bugs and let me know.
[01:05] <timo1>  imachine:have there been updates...i havent boot into it in ages
[01:05] <dtchen> (i spent the better part of a week fixing them.)
[01:05] <timo1> dtchen thank you
[01:06] <imachine> timo1, dunno; like I said I removed my gnome settings cause 4.5.0 qt apps read them, and read incorrect dpi.
[01:06] <timo1> dtchen your kernel was great ;-)
[01:06] <imachine> ever since I have not experienced the problem, but it could just as well be coincidence.
[01:07] <imachine> man it sucks there's no 24/7 chinese restaurant over here
[01:07] <imachine> I'd be all over it
[01:08]  * timo1 off to try pulseaudio 
[01:18] <QPrime> pwnguin: ...and it was said unto QPrime by pwnguin, "verily, install libdrm-nouveau1 and all will be well".  And so it was done.   And sprung forth a veritable bounty of FLOSS goodness onto QPrime dual monitor setup.  And it was good.
[01:19] <JonCharge> I wanted to ask here, but instead I have asked on lpad, here is my question...
[01:19] <JonCharge> https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/65835
[01:19] <QPrime> pwnguin: thank you.  I'm guessing that bug track on launchpad?  I'll take a look for it.  thanks again!
[01:20] <ali1234> you know nouveau has no 3d acceleration right?
[01:20] <QPrime> ali1234: yes, but I'm willing to test with it.  tired of the nvidia stance.
[01:21] <QPrime> ali1234: atm the nouveau driver is giving me better initialization and 2D results than nv so thats an improvement right there.
[01:21] <ali1234> sure. and the fact that nv driver is basically run by nvidia also sucks :/
[01:23] <QPrime> ali1234: I've been thinking of an ati purchase just as a protest against nvidia.  but I want a little more than talk from ati on the open driver side of things.  we'll see what happens I guess.
[01:25] <bsnider> QPrime, as a protest against nvidia...that's mind-boggling
[01:25] <imachine> get intel
[01:25] <imachine> intel rocks best in opensource.
[01:25] <imachine> however, even the X4500 is not so great.
[01:25] <QPrime> imachine: yeah, but... its an intel!
[01:25] <imachine> but it'll prolly get there.
[01:25] <QPrime> exactly. :(
[01:25] <imachine> anyway, afaik ati sucks just as much.
[01:26] <bsnider> QPrime, all the work they've done to provide their customers with an experience that's comparable with Windows, and you want to protest them.
[01:26] <ali1234> ati? might as well just chuck the whole computer in the bin
[01:26] <imachine> and even with the minor issues nvidia had a while ago, it still works quite well
[01:26] <QPrime> intel just announced a new gpu spec... again, we'll see
[01:26] <QPrime> ali1234: not fond of ati huh?
[01:26] <QPrime> bsnider: hey, you do what you can right? :(
[01:27] <bsnider> ingrate
[01:28] <QPrime> bsnider: look, the drivers are reasonable... its the internal policies that I have an issue with... yes I understand that IP issues with the technology, but I *need* to see more movement to FLOSS from nvidia.
[01:28] <QPrime> bsnider: hopefully that was sarcasm. :P
[01:28] <bsnider> it wasn't, i assure you
[01:29] <imachine> there's a chance once neavaou or whatever you spell it gets enough attention and work, nvidia will release their drivers fully opensource.
[01:29] <QPrime> bsnider: well then we are on different sides of the isle on this one.
[01:29] <bsnider> they ahd to replace the entire 3d stack in mesa because it's garbage. do you think that was easy?
[01:29] <ali1234> the nv driver is maintained by nvidia employees
[01:29] <imachine> tbh, they just as well might come to an agreement with ati, as they're the only players taht count and keep their stuff closedsource.
[01:29] <ali1234> what more do you want?
[01:30] <imachine> seal the deal with amd and say: we can make it work, we'll both release our stuff opensource.
[01:30] <imachine> at the same time.
[01:30] <imachine> sorted!
[01:30] <QPrime> bsnider: and the reason they could do it was because its was open source.  end of argument.
[01:31] <bsnider> that makes no sense at all
[01:31] <ali1234> intel has the most open drivers imo
[01:32] <ali1234> they actually give out the hardware docs as well as the source
[01:32] <QPrime> ali1234: specifically to build mindshare.
[01:32] <QPrime> ali1234: and I'm fine with that
[01:32] <QPrime> bsnider: Like I said... different worlds my friend.
[01:33] <Aggro> how is the pulseaudio started on ltsp client machine? I think it is crashing.
[01:33] <Aggro> If not crashing, it shuts down and does not restart
[01:34] <Aggro> manual restart does not seem to help either, it can't be connected after that
[01:34] <bsnider> QPrime, does it make a difference to you that the nouveau devs have already said they don't need document drops from nvidia?
[01:35] <QPrime> machine: there's a chance once neavaou or whatever you spell it gets enough attention and work, nvidia will release their drivers fully opensource.  <--- thats my hope as well or at least ease up on the IP stranglehold.
[01:35] <crdlb> anybody saying HW specifications wouldn't help is lying :)
[01:35] <bsnider> nvidia is not responsible for the "IP stranglehold"
[01:36] <crdlb> I don't doubt that they can get it done through reverse engineering though
[01:36] <bsnider> crdlb, they already revenged the stuff because the nvidia driver has been around so many years
[01:36] <QPrime> bsnider; no.. because the lack of documentation has historically stood in the way.  Their personal feelings on this are are result of where they are now.  Things could be 3-5 years further along if there was documentation.
[01:36] <bsnider> no they wouldn't
[01:36] <bsnider> because of all of the problems with opengl on linux
[01:37] <QPrime> bsnider: BS!  thats one of their claims.  3rd party IP NDA.
[01:37] <imachine> it'll come to sense.
[01:37] <imachine> unless they want intel to take the market.
[01:37] <imachine> opengl is opengl
[01:37] <imachine> tbh, I had great exp with intel.
[01:38] <imachine> and the next laptop I'd be getting, ideally would be with X4500HD or whatever that comes out from intel's backyard.
[01:38] <crdlb> they've been screwing up recently though
[01:38] <imachine> checkd it out on youtube, even some games run prety smooth with the 4,5k
[01:38] <imachine> had some issues on old intel cards.
[01:38] <syockit> didn't they say the same thing about nvidia having to have to fully open their drivers, some years ago? man, this is getting like year of the linux thing
[01:38] <imachine> but the new ones, rock.
[01:38] <bsnider> until gem, which made it into the 2.6.28 kernel, there was no hardware generated opengl on linux, so no, opengl isn't opengl. it's not that simple
[01:38] <syockit> i mean year of desktop linux
[01:39] <imachine> bsnider, oh?
[01:39] <imachine> well I'm not that much of a follower.
[01:39] <syockit> you mean till gem, opengl on intel wasn't hardware accelerated?
[01:39] <bsnider> that's correct
[01:40] <bsnider> it was never hardware-accelerated on linux
[01:40] <bsnider> ever. ever. ever
[01:40] <QPrime> bsnider: a functional FLOSS nvidia driver would have spurred on movement in these fronts years ago.  are you seriously saying otherwise?
[01:40] <bsnider> unless you used the nvidia blob which has its own memory manager
[01:40] <imachine> that sounds weird.
[01:40] <imachine> oh
[01:40] <imachine> :)
[01:40] <bsnider> that's why nvidia's driver was necessary, because linux graphcis has always been garbage
[01:40] <imachine> well, using radeondrm+dri that worked well with opengl
[01:40] <crdlb> that's exaggerating a bit ...
[01:40] <crdlb> some OpenGL is possible without a memory manager
[01:41] <crdlb> but yes, mesa was not ready to be the platform for a world-class driver
[01:41]  * QPrime thinks bsnider has a particular fetish for Nvidia. and its closed drivers.
[01:41] <bsnider> QPrime, so now it's nvidia's reponsibility to fix mesa? they have nothing to do with mesa. and they have to fix it?
[01:41] <imachine> well, we'll see how gem works out.
[01:41] <imachine> and once nvidia moves to gem, and so ati, and so intel.
[01:42] <imachine> and we'll see how it kicks in :)
[01:42] <crdlb> it's nvidia's responsibility to release specs and fund open source drivers for their hardware
[01:42] <QPrime> bsnider: never said it was... but the number of nvidia gpus out there on linux boxes would have pushed it much further along much faster.
[01:43] <imachine> crdlb, I guess it's about keeping some "secrets" from their competitors.
[01:43] <bsnider> crdlb, an open source driver would have suffered from mesa's longstanding flaws
[01:43] <imachine> so like I said, the moment ati kicks in, and everything works out.
[01:43] <imachine> ;]
[01:43] <QPrime> bsniderL an open source driver would have made it much more appealing to resolve those issues!
[01:43] <crdlb> bsnider: then they should have helped fix them
[01:43] <crdlb> or just not bother at all
[01:43] <imachine> and improve other.
[01:43] <imachine> etc.
[01:44] <imachine> dunno
[01:44] <imachine> we'll see.
[01:44] <imachine> it crowd's on. lates!
[01:44] <bsnider> right, they shoud have fixed them, even though they didn't cause them hahaha
[01:44] <bsnider> whatever
[01:44] <imachine> bsnider, guess you never developed any software ;]
[01:44] <crdlb> in the long term, their contribution of a proprietary video driver is useless
[01:44] <imachine> you all spread fudd.
[01:44]  * imachine &
[01:44] <crdlb> except, I guess as a black box to use in reverse engineering
[01:45] <bsnider> i have found it very useful, myself
[01:45] <imachine> and an operating system that can use opengl "like windows"
[01:45] <QPrime> look seriously, I'm DONE with nvidia... its open source or get the hell out of the way.  there are other companies that will support the FLOSS push.  nvidia either joins the party or gets pushed to the side.  period.
[01:45] <imachine> relax
[01:46] <imachine> I use whatever works.
[01:46]  * imachine owns a compal laptop el80, geforce go 7600
[01:46] <imachine> works ok.
[01:46] <imachine> just overheats a bit.
[01:46] <bsnider> QPrime, the nouveau driver is further along than the open source ati driver. it will have gallium3d and kms by the end of the year
[01:46] <crdlb> lol, that's funny
[01:46] <BluesKaj> QPrime , what's your nvidia problem...I just got back
[01:47] <QPrime> BluesKaj: FLOSS discussion :(
[01:47] <bsnider> he's annoyed that their driver works and the open source graphics drivers are garbage
[01:47] <BluesKaj> sry , not gamer FLOSS ?
[01:47] <imachine> bsnider, woa, gallium sounds nice!
[01:48] <bsnider> imachine, yeah and it's only, uh, 10 years late!
[01:48] <QPrime> Free Libre Open Source
[01:48] <Mulder> open source ati driver has 3d rendering
[01:48] <Mulder> hardware accelerated.
[01:48] <bsnider> yeah, software rendering. fake rendering
[01:49] <Mulder> it's hardware.
[01:49] <Mulder> at least for R300
[01:49] <QPrime> bsnider: dude, seriously... you miss (or mis-construe) my point.
[01:49] <imachine> bsnider, relax ;P 10 years ago people barely thought about running linux as a desktop
[01:49] <Mulder> oh i should butt out of the conversation. now it's just getting confusing
[01:49] <bsnider> you're trashing the only company that rewarded their customers by producing a fully-functional graphics driver
[01:50] <imachine> anyway
[01:50] <imachine> you guys flame away.
[01:50] <imachine> lates
[01:50] <QPrime> bsnider: I'm trashing the internal policy decisions... and those policy decisions directly affect me as a paying customer.
[01:50] <BluesKaj> yeah , I have an onboard ati graphics , which i disabled in the BIOS , so i can use the nvidia 7600GT that I bought from a friend ...it works well , but ati isn't holding up it's end on the linux fglrx drivers
[01:50] <bsnider> by giving you a a working driver
[01:51] <QPrime> yeah... lets move to offtopic if you want to discuss further, not cool in the main channel :(
[01:51] <Mulder> BluesKaj, they've done pretty well though
[01:51] <exco> my wlan card is called eth4 ... but shouldn't it be wlan0? (does it matter?)
[01:51] <Mulder> exco, not terribly much no
[01:51] <BluesKaj> Mulder , are finally up to date ?
[01:51] <BluesKaj> is ati
[01:52] <Mulder> BluesKaj, featurewise probably still lag behind windows driver, but they do same day product/driver releases now
[01:53] <BluesKaj> really ? ...that's news :)
[01:53] <Mulder> and the X developers ahve been granted access to see the 3d specs , which is what made 3d acceleration in the open source driver much quicker
[01:54] <bsnider> Mulder, when was this? when were devs granted access to all 3d specs?
[01:54] <BluesKaj> right , I wonder if ati realizes how many ppl with their products are switching to linux or at least dual booting
[01:54] <Mulder> bsnider, a while ago?
[01:54] <Mulder> bsnider, check phoronix forums
[01:54] <Mulder> there would've been a write up about it
[01:55] <Mulder> just earlier radeon models, like 300 up to maybe 500 or 600
[01:56] <Mulder> the opensource ati driver on my machine has had decent 3d support since a month or so after 8.10
[01:56] <bsnider> i think they released documentation only in january, and whether that's comprehensive is another issue
[01:56] <BluesKaj> we have 6 other computers in this household atm , that run vista , now everyone is afraid of the conficker C worm that's supposed to start doing damage again on Apr 1st..I keep telling everyone that I'll be installing linux on their corrupted pcs on Apr 2nd
[01:57] <Mulder> development by the X team on 3d definitely took place before jan
[01:57] <Mulder> i'm pretty sure i remember an announcement on phoronix saying certain X developers got a look in
[01:58] <bsnider> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NzAxNg
[01:58] <bsnider> january 26 of this year
[01:58] <bsnider> for the newer hardware
[01:58] <Mulder> that's R600/700
[01:58] <Mulder> R300 came earlier
[01:58] <QPrime> Mulder: between ati and intel there is some measure of hope for decent OSS co-operation.
[01:59] <JorgeJorgesson> I just upgraded to 9.04 and my ATI 3D acceleration works fantastic....with one exception, youtube and flash video.  I have the driver installed but it won't playback the videos
[01:59] <bsnider> well 3d programming for old junk isn't as important
[01:59] <Mulder> ...
[01:59] <QPrime> bsnider: but it is usually easier to implement.
[01:59] <Mulder> QPrime, yes, and when it suits them (eventually) nvidia will join the party
[02:00] <QPrime> Mulder: they will be forced to play ball (at least documentation wise).  agreed.
[02:00] <JorgeJorgesson> do I need to download the Flash driver from Adobe?
[02:00] <jcgeuze> hello, did a fresh install of 9.04 beta on my hp laptop.. sound now doesnt work. always has worked with 8.04/8.10 . how can i troubleshoot this?
[02:00] <Kangarooo> wiiii i have xubuntu 9.04 :)
[02:01] <Aggro> jcgeuze: Perhaps related to program called pulseaudio
[02:01] <bsnider> documentation isn't needed from nvidia, as everything is already reverse engineered
[02:01] <ali1234> bsnider: except tv out
[02:01] <exco> another question - if I manually setup an ip, subnet, gateway and dns through network manager for a network card (my mobile phone) why doesn't that get obeyed?
[02:01] <QPrime> JorgeJorgesson: check the jaunty repositories... they non-free installer should be there.  you can also try Gnash (free) but I'm not sure how it compares feature for feature with the non-free version these days.
[02:01] <bsnider> all nouveau needs is programming manpower and testing hardware
[02:02] <QPrime> bsnider: and new gpu releases?
[02:02] <JorgeJorgesson> QPrime: I have the nonfree driver installed already
[02:02] <jcgeuze> Aggro: i've done some tests with aplay, card is detected, and not muted.. still i dont hear anything..  pulseaudio works on top of alsa right?
[02:03] <QPrime> JorgeJorgesson: do you have the firefox plugin or the correct codecs?  what happens when you try and view a you tube video?
[02:03] <Aggro> jcgeuze: I don't know much, but I'm having problems with pulseaudio shutting down after an minute of sound usage
[02:03] <JorgeJorgesson> QPrime: It says that I don't have the correct Flash Program to view the video
[02:03] <Aggro> shutting down or crashing, can't figure it out
[02:04] <BluesKaj> JorgeJorgesson, download the flashplayer here: http://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/ , then extract it , open the folder and copy the libflashplayer.so file to your /usr/lib/xulrunner-addons/plugins file
[02:04] <jcgeuze> Aggro: ok, i think my problem is at a lower level..  your audio works with aplay tests?
[02:04] <QPrime> JorgeJorgesson; also, do you have a script blocker like noscript installed?
[02:04] <JorgeJorgesson> QPrime: I don't belive so.  It worked fine before the update.
[02:04] <BluesKaj> JorgeJorgesson, that will make it available globally on your pc
[02:05] <JorgeJorgesson> BluesKaj: Ok, I don't install the driver though, correct?
[02:05] <Aggro> jcgeuze: Well actually I have this problem  with ltsp
[02:05] <QPrime> JorgeJorgesson: take BluesKaj's advice then.
[02:05] <Aggro> but now to sleep.. 4am
[02:05] <JorgeJorgesson> BluesKaj: I just copy the one file?
[02:05] <BluesKaj> yes
[02:06] <JorgeJorgesson> BluesKaj: Ok, I'll give that a shot.
[02:06] <jcgeuze> Aggro: did some work with ltsp loooooooooooooong time ago.. but i cant be much of help to you, sorry
[02:06] <BluesKaj> JorgeJorgesson, you have to extract the file because it's a tarball
[02:07] <JorgeJorgesson> BluesKaj: Got you.
[02:07] <QPrime> gotta go keep the wife warm... bbiab.  thanks for the irc heat bsnider  ;)
[02:08] <BluesKaj> JorgeJorgesson, then do a , sudo updatedb,  in the konsole
[02:08] <BluesKaj> yeah, tv time with wifey ..BBL
[02:09] <afallenhope> hey I'm installing Ubuntu jaunty and I'm just looking at the /var/log/message via  tail -f and I find a bunch of "Mar 30 01:05:08 ubuntu python: Not copying"
[02:10] <afallenhope> is this normal?
[02:15] <JorgeJorgesson> BluesKaj: Wonderful.  Works perfectly now.  Thanks!
[02:15] <afallenhope> hey I'm installing Ubuntu jaunty and I'm just looking at the /var/log/message via  tail -f and I find a bunch of "Mar 30 01:05:08 ubuntu python: Not copying"
[02:16] <BluesKaj> JorgeJorgesson , NP :)
[02:24] <oOarthurOo> Hmm... used to be when I closed pidgin it minized to the tray... but now it just shuts down.
[02:25] <crdlb> oOarthurOo: enable the tray plugin
[02:26] <oOarthurOo> crdlb: Yup... changing show tray to always fixed it back to its previous behaviour. Thanks.
[02:26] <Mulder> i have it on never, and it still works
[02:27] <Mulder> as long as indicator-applet doesnt disappear i'll be fine
[02:27] <Mulder> i wish there were an option to disable the indicator app's tray icon though
[02:31] <melik> http://omploader.org/vMWdlaQ/matrix-jaunty-20090328-1.png
[02:31] <melik> :D!
[02:31] <melik> 17.97 seconds for full boot
[02:32] <melik> and its a single core processor + 1 gig ram, haha.
[02:43] <scream> What tool can I use to export settings, docs, email, filters from one ubuntu and import into another?
[02:45] <oOarthurOo> scream: cp?
[02:45] <alex_mayorga> anyone else with very buggy bluetooth?
[02:46] <scream> oOarthurOo, are you telling me to use the terminal's copy command?
[02:46] <scream> ...
[02:47] <scream> Surely there is a package that does all this?
[02:55] <josh-l> hey all
[02:56] <josh-l> wondering is there anything special I need to do when installing restricted extras? it seems to install a lot of lib32s and other 32 stuff
[03:04] <josh-l> can anyone remind me how to install something without recommended using apt-get pls? --no-recomended or something
[03:05] <crdlb> josh-l: --no-install-recommends
[03:05] <josh-l> awesome thanks crdlb
[03:06] <josh-l> crdlb: running x86-64 here, do I/should I install 64bit java?
[03:06]  * crdlb has no idea
[03:07] <josh-l> k thx
[03:09] <josh-l> now i'm just confused
[03:10] <josh-l> I reinstalled kubuntu jaunty... not for this specifically, but i just had a feeling i should... now my firefox no longer crashes on gmail with 64bit flash plugin!
[03:12] <m_tadeu_> is there a ppa for kde4.2.2 around?
[03:22] <bsnider> josh-l, how's it going so far?
[03:22] <bsnider> oh, i just read your previous message
[03:22] <bsnider> so i guess it went well
[03:23] <bsnider> now you believe me when i say i have no problems with it
[03:23] <josh-l> bsnider: yeah i'm just utterly confused as to what actually happened
[03:24] <timo1> Ok i have done some testing, pulseaudio is still broken >:o
[03:24] <timo1> Im getting crackling sound
[03:26] <josh-l> bsnider: live and don't learn i guess
[03:35] <timo1> This issue is up to me to report and make sure its sorted O:-),
[03:44] <JorgeJorgesson> Compiz works wonderful with the Open Source 3D accelerator on my ATI card, but any opengl games run very, very slow. Did I miss installing somthing?
[03:45] <bsnider> yeah, vista + ati catalyst vista driver
[03:46] <JorgeJorgesson> TORCS is a windows game?
[03:46] <Amaranth> JorgeJorgesson: The open source driver is going to be 50-70% the speed of the fglrx driver, at best
[03:47] <bsnider> wait about 2 years until there's a working gallium3d ati driver for your card
[03:47] <JorgeJorgesson> Amaranth: I understand.  I have to wait for the new fglrx driver for 9.04 from ATI then
[03:47] <Amaranth> JorgeJorgesson: Nope
[03:47] <JorgeJorgesson> Amaranth: I tried the one from the repos and it was a disaster
[03:48] <Amaranth> JorgeJorgesson: If you have working 3D with the open source driver that means you have a card old enough that there won't be a fglrx driver that works with 9.04 for your card
[03:48] <Amaranth> JorgeJorgesson: fglrx only supports Radeon HD cards now
[03:48] <JorgeJorgesson> Amaranth: Ah, but 8.10 was no problem
[03:48] <Amaranth> JorgeJorgesson: Right, talk to AMD
[03:48] <Amaranth> They dropped support for older cards
[03:49] <JorgeJorgesson> Amaranth: yeah...that will get nowhere....
[03:49] <bsnider> oh my gosh, will that do a lot of good.
[03:49] <Amaranth> The last driver they released that supports older cards does not work with xserver 1.6
[03:49] <Amaranth> So you cannot use it with 9.04 (or Fedora 11, etc)
[03:49] <JorgeJorgesson> bsnider: I guess you were right.  Windows it is
[03:49] <bsnider> if you want games, yearh. i don't know who told you linux was a gaming platform
[03:50] <JorgeJorgesson> bsnider: Nobody.  I just thought that the open source games in the repos would at least work decently
[03:50] <bsnider> they do if you have the nvidia driver
[03:51] <afallenhope> hey guys
[03:51] <JorgeJorgesson> bsnider: Not much good for an ATI card
[03:51] <bsnider> i agree
[03:51] <JorgeJorgesson> bsnider: this card works very well under XP.  Even runnng FlightSim X
[03:51] <afallenhope> what should I use? apt-get or aptitude?
[03:51] <bsnider> time for an nvidia card
[03:52] <JorgeJorgesson> bsnider: Laptop...not an option
[03:52] <bsnider> throw it on the trash pile
[03:52] <Amaranth> afallenhope: either, they mostly work the same
[03:52] <JorgeJorgesson> bsnider: Works fine with the original XP.
[03:53] <bsnider> old junk will work well once the gallium driver is done
[03:53] <JorgeJorgesson> bsnider: actually this is not junk.  It runs pretty well actually.
[03:53] <Amaranth> JorgeJorgesson: Unless (or even if) you have an nvidia card if you actually want to play games (other then xmoto) you want to dual boot
[03:54] <bsnider> not compared to new stuff it doesn't
[03:54] <JorgeJorgesson> bsnider: Understood
[03:54] <bsnider> anthying older than about 2 years is junk
[03:54] <JorgeJorgesson> Amaranth: I can see that now.
[03:55] <JorgeJorgesson> bsnider: For gaming yes
[03:55] <JorgeJorgesson> bsnider: Anything else, no
[03:55] <JorgeJorgesson> bsnider: I can only read email and surf the web so fast
[03:55] <bsnider> well i'm not saying you can't still use it, but it's junk
[03:56] <bsnider> if you had a new system based on the i7 with ddr3 ram you sure wouldn't want to go back to that thing, i'll tell you that
[03:56] <JorgeJorgesson> bsnider: Yup, I can only imagine.
[04:01] <JorgeJorgesson> Well, the rest of 9.04 seems to run very, very well.
[04:02] <bluefoxicy> why did everything just freeze for 10minutes
[04:02] <Amaranth> bluefoxicy: clock skew
[04:02] <bluefoxicy> Amaranth:  no, everything turned grey and refused disk access
[04:02] <Amaranth> bluefoxicy: apport and/or update-manager running?
[04:02] <bluefoxicy> Amaranth:  no
[04:03] <bluefoxicy> Amaranth:  performance degredation is massive, switching to fs type ext4 helped a lot but...
[04:03] <bluefoxicy> compared to the last release this is annoying.
[04:03] <bluefoxicy> I got a kernel update today but haven't rebooted into it.
[04:03] <Amaranth> bluefoxicy: perhaps your problem is PREEMPT got turned off
[04:03] <bluefoxicy> Amaranth:  did that happen?
[04:04] <Jordan_U> bluefoxicy, Do you use and intel GPU?
[04:04] <Amaranth> I used to have massive IO problems until I turned that on
[04:04] <bluefoxicy> Jordan_U: Athlon 64
[04:04] <crdlb> it was on in intrepid?
[04:04] <Amaranth> oh yeah, and there are problems with UXA on intel
[04:04] <Amaranth> crdlb: I didn't really use intrepid...
[04:04] <bluefoxicy> CONFIG_PREEMPT_VOLUNTARY=y
[04:04] <Amaranth> I kind of went away from like alpha 1 until jaunty alpha 1
[04:04] <crdlb> heh
[04:04] <bluefoxicy> Amaranth:  preempt is on
[04:04] <crdlb> some people would tell you that you didn't miss anything
[04:05] <Amaranth> bluefoxicy: Right, which basically means "no preempt at all if even one single kernel module doesn't support it"
[04:05] <JorgeJorgesson> Why does this trackerd take up so much of my cpu cycles for so long.....hours on end
[04:05] <Amaranth> bluefoxicy: We used to have CONFIG_PREEMPT=y
[04:05] <bluefoxicy> Amaranth:  that would indicate that there's a severe locking problem somewhere, and preempt is hiding it.
[04:06] <Amaranth> crdlb: actually I do remember using it for a little bit around alpha 3 or so, intel performance sucked so I ditched it
[04:06] <Amaranth> ditched it for OS X, that is
[04:06] <bluefoxicy> shit.
[04:06] <bluefoxicy> I just tried to run synaptic and everything froze for 30 seconds again
[04:06] <bluefoxicy> zero disk activity
[04:06] <bluefoxicy> this is starting to piss me off.
[04:06] <Amaranth> yeah, that happened/happens to me
[04:07] <Amaranth> time to reboot
[04:07] <bluefoxicy> either ship a working kernel or give me a debug kernel that can log wtf is happening so someone can fix it
[04:08] <Amaranth> you guys see the ecryptfs fail?
[04:08] <Amaranth> whoa lag
[04:08] <bluefoxicy> Amaranth:  happening to you still huh?
[04:08] <Amaranth> bluefoxicy: I haven't seen anything that bad recently
[04:09] <Amaranth> But I build my own kernel with minstrel rate limiting and CONFIG_PREEMPT
[04:09] <Jordan_U> Amaranth, What ecryptfs fail?
[04:09] <Amaranth> Jordan_U: http://blog.dustinkirkland.com/2009/03/attention-jaunty-alpha-ecryptfs-users.html
[04:10] <Cycom> anyone else have synergy move the mouse to the top left corner on all clients?
[04:11] <Amaranth> heh, someone made a chrome like browser with Qt and DBUS
[04:11] <Amaranth> The tabs are separate processes and you use XEmbed to stick them in the main window and they communicate using dbus
[04:12] <Amaranth> If the tab crashes, no problem
[04:12] <Amaranth> If the main app crashes all the tabs become separate windows again (and could detect that happened and grow full window chrome automatically)
[04:13] <bruce89> I'd rather have a browser that didn't crash at all
[04:13] <ripps> Um, if there are any MOTU here, can you go to #ubuntu-motu, I need some help with some packaging.
[04:13] <bluefoxicy> oh hell with this
[04:14] <bluefoxicy> i'm installing a rt kernel
[04:22] <Jordan_U> Amaranth, Link for the browser you were talking about?
[04:22] <Amaranth> Jordan_U: It was a proof of concept
[04:23] <Amaranth> Jordan_U: http://ivan.fomentgroup.org/blog/2009/03/29/instant-chrome/
[04:26] <JorgeJorgesson> I thought 9.04 was supposed to boot faster?  My computer boots about 20-30 seconds slower!  And no more startup bar screen either.  Just black
[04:26] <Mulder> it does boot faster
[04:26] <Mulder> heh
[04:26] <Mulder> JorgeJorgesson, are you using ext4?
[04:27] <JorgeJorgesson> Mulder: No, I just upgraded.
[04:27] <holdenss> maybe   make a comment like that when the full release is out, as bugs are still being dealt with
[04:27] <JorgeJorgesson> holdenss: I understand that
[04:27] <Mulder> i upgraded on saturday. redid everything as ext4.  i found my bootstrap tiime cut down by between 1/3 to 1/2
[04:27] <Mulder> i have an older computer though so maybe it's more evident for me
[04:28] <JorgeJorgesson> Mulder: Maybe the decreases are just for ext4 format drives
[04:31] <LiraNuna_> hey, I'm on 9.04 live CD
[04:31] <LiraNuna_> I just wanted to ask where the mist icon theme has gone to?
[04:31] <JorgeJorgesson> I will see what happens when the release version is out
[04:31] <JorgeJorgesson> *wait
[04:34] <JorgeJorgesson> LiraNuna_: I see mist in the themes.
[04:34] <LiraNuna_> did you upgrade from 8.04?
[04:34] <LiraNuna_> 8.10*
[04:34] <JorgeJorgesson> LiraNuna_: Under System>Appearances>themes
[04:35] <JorgeJorgesson> Sorry, System>Preferences>Theme
[04:35] <Halow> LiraNuna_: They put it into a package in Universe, called "gnome-themes" since they put some new themes in by default.
[04:35] <LiraNuna_> Halow, ah, let's see
[04:36] <Halow> It's my favored theme. I thought they were laying the axe to it altogether for a moment. :O
[04:36] <LiraNuna_> same here, I gone into panic mode
[04:37] <LiraNuna_> goes well with clearlooks
[04:37] <LiraNuna_> woot, thanks Halow
[04:37] <Halow> LiraNuna_: Welcome. :)
[04:37] <LiraNuna_> beta's looking good so far
[04:39] <holdenss> check out this theme https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Jaunty/Impression/   my fav so far, reminds me  of the mac osx gui in a way
[04:41] <LiraNuna_> http://liranuna.com/junk/pouet-desktop.png
[04:41] <Mulder> i dislike that window border theme
[04:42] <holdenss> mulder, which one?
[04:42] <Mulder> in the impression and pouet
[04:42] <Mulder> heh
[04:42] <Mulder> pouet just looks like clearlooks
[04:42] <holdenss> impression looks rad
[04:42] <LiraNuna_> eh, ignore the word 'pouet' it's not the theme name
[04:42] <Mulder> those close, minimise etc icons look really tacky
[04:42] <LiraNuna_> it is clearlooks
[04:43] <Halow> Impression is nice. I still love my Mist, though. :P
[04:43] <Mulder> clearlooks isnt bad but not slick enough for my tastes
[04:43] <holdenss> mulder, they've kinda copied the mac icons and made it their own branding out of it
[04:45] <LiraNuna_> that new "New Wave" theme looks interesting
[04:45] <bruce89> I don't know why they insist with weird pixmap scrollbars
[04:45] <holdenss> what do you think of the desktop artwork included, i like juantysimple
[04:46] <Mulder> new wave is not bad
[04:46] <Mulder> needs to be improved though
[04:46] <LiraNuna_> too dark to my taste, but still has an interesting spice
[04:46] <Mulder> i'm basically using human right now with new wave border theme and different wallpaper
[04:46] <holdenss> not the default dark background, but the light one with the cirlces
[04:47] <Halow> They were... too simple. I'd seen a cute one with a jackalope under an old tree that looked a bit like it was branded onto leather. Too bad it wasn't included.
[04:47] <holdenss> wallpaper*
[04:47] <Mulder> need to start paying some artists to come up with some good themes
[04:47] <Mulder> heh
[04:47] <DanaG>     - Remove Adobe Reader from list of applications to Add/Remove.  Since it's not in the repo, but installed during oem-config, user can't actually re-add it if they remove it.  LP: #310784
[04:47] <holdenss> it should be all about community though
[04:48] <LiraNuna_> what's that new announce system?
[04:48] <LiraNuna_> I saw the flash video of it
[04:48] <holdenss> ext4?
[04:48] <DanaG> New Wave is a bit too gloomy for me.
[04:48] <Mulder> well, put a bounty on it, and let the community sort it out in a competition
[04:48] <LiraNuna_> holdenss, no, that's a file system
[04:48] <bruce89> LiraNuna_: ich, notify-osd I suppose
[04:48] <LiraNuna_> bruce89, is it a new libnotify?
[04:48] <DanaG> About the only not-at-all-gloomy dark theme is HP's glassy-bleu theme:  www.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/screenshot-glassybleu.png
[04:48] <LiraNuna_> it looks mac-ish :/
[04:48] <bruce89> LiraNuna_: no, a new notification daemon
[04:49] <bruce89> LiraNuna_: where do you think the idea came from?
[04:49] <LiraNuna_> it looks like mac grawl :/
[04:49]  * LiraNuna_ dislikes mac os x
[04:49]  * bruce89 dislikes notify-sd
[04:49] <holdenss> its growl
[04:49] <holdenss> and its awesome
[04:50] <Amaranth> the hell it is
[04:50]  * bruce89 won't start, don't worry you lot
[04:50] <LiraNuna_> grr mac fanboys :(
[04:50]  * Amaranth thinks none of you actually use OS X
[04:50] <Amaranth> gah lag again
[04:50] <holdenss> well i personally use mac osx and ubuntu, dual boot
[04:51]  * crdlb has only used OS X for about 5 minutes
[04:51] <holdenss> the beta has got a heat issue at the moment, and the bug has been reported just hoping it'll get fixed soon
[04:51] <LiraNuna_> heat issue?
[04:51] <holdenss> a heat issue on the new macbook aluminum, macbook 5,1
[04:52] <askvictor1> does grub work OK with ext4?
[04:52] <bruce89> wow, new hardware doesn't like an oldish kernel?
[04:52] <bruce89> askvictor1: ext4 here with grub2
[04:52] <Halow> Grub works great with ext4.
[04:52] <askvictor1> rock
[04:52] <Halow> The new one anyway. ;)
[04:52] <crdlb> is 'great' really necessary? :)
[04:53] <crdlb> I mean it either works or it doesn't
[04:53] <Mulder> something like http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Almond+(5+version)?content=39632&PHPSESSID=44e99bffd9d88d78a1e85a50f6783393 is nice
[04:53] <Halow> Fine? Up to par? It boots so much faster. :/
[04:53] <Mulder> except the icons need to be bigger
[04:53] <bruce89> not that grub has anything to do with that
[04:54] <holdenss> mulder, how ironic that there is a 'win a mac' ad on a gnome site lol
[04:54] <LiraNuna_> ads?
[04:54] <Amaranth> gnome-look.org is not a GNOME site
[04:55] <holdenss> advertisement* ok  my bad
[04:55] <LiraNuna_> holdenss, get adblock
[04:55] <Mulder> holdenss, haha
[04:55] <bruce89> good old epiphany-extensions
[04:56] <LiraNuna_> oh right, I have yet to try epiphany
[04:56] <Mulder> when is human going to get ported to a compiz theme engine anyway? heh
[04:56] <LiraNuna_> no epiphany-webkit?
[04:56]  * DanaG asks ubottu: bug 296967
[04:56]  * Mulder recalls that was flagged for hardy?
[04:56] <DanaG> ... as expected.
[04:56] <bruce89> LiraNuna_: not yet
[04:57] <crdlb> Mulder: "compiz theme engine"?
[04:57] <crdlb> if you mean emerald, there's no way ubuntu would use that by default
[04:57] <crdlb> as it is buggy abandonware
[04:58] <Mulder> i dont mean emerald
[04:58] <Amaranth> Mulder: compiz theme engine?
[04:58] <Amaranth> Mulder: compiz has no theme system
[04:58] <crdlb> I already asked that!
[04:58] <Mulder> doesnt it?
[04:58] <LiraNuna_> haha, computer janitor
[04:58] <Amaranth> crdlb: I don't read ahead
[04:58] <Amaranth> err, behind
[04:59] <crdlb> read behind then
[04:59] <Amaranth> Mulder: emerald isn't even in the repos anymoe
[04:59] <LiraNuna_> for the people who can't do apt-get autoremove?
[04:59] <Amaranth> It is completely unmaintained and unsupported (and has been for a couple years)
[04:59] <crdlb> it's still in universe
[04:59] <bruce89> LiraNuna_: or use aptitude
[04:59] <Amaranth> !info emerald jaunty
[04:59] <Mulder> i thought compiz used its own theming system
[04:59] <Mulder> separate from emerald
[04:59] <Amaranth> hrm, someone told me it was gone
[04:59]  * crdlb likes the idea of computer-janitor
[05:00] <Amaranth> Mulder: nope, just the stock gtk-window-decorator look (non-themeable), metacity themes, and kwin4 themes
[05:00] <bruce89> you'd be surprised the number of people who have loads of old kernels lying around
[05:00] <Amaranth> Mulder: You're probably talking about my blog post :/
[05:01] <torkiano> hello all, someone with problems with java applets?
[05:01] <crdlb> Amaranth: about making a new decorator?
[05:01] <torkiano> http://www.gnu.org/software/classpath/ not load the applet
[05:01] <holdenss> is emerald gone?
[05:01] <Mulder> Amaranth, maybe. was this made a year or so ago about revamping the hardy theme ?
[05:01] <torkiano> and cpu is in 100%
[05:01] <Mulder> there was discussion in there about murrine and what not
[05:02] <askvictor1> What does the topic refer to?
[05:02] <Amaranth> crdlb: yeah, that's what I'm thinking
[05:02] <crdlb> askvictor1: the python problem is long fixed
[05:02] <askvictor1> crdlb: thanks
[05:03] <LiraNuna_> meh, they still didn't fix the SVN plugin for anjuta?
[05:03]  * crdlb suggests the svn plugin for bash
[05:03] <bruce89> LiraNuna_: svn is history
[05:04] <LiraNuna_> bruce89, eh?
[05:04] <crdlb> he is referring to git
[05:04] <LiraNuna_> crdlb, it's nice when your IDE does the job for you
[05:04] <afallenhope> found a bug or maybe permissions error.
[05:04] <afallenhope> can't set the background if I set it to "single image"
[05:04] <LiraNuna_> but there IS an svn plugin for anjuta, why don't they just include them :/
[05:05] <LiraNuna_> it*
[05:07] <LiraNuna_> there's a CVS plugin and git plugin, why isn't the svn one included
[05:12] <crdlb> LiraNuna_: a bug, probably
[05:12] <LiraNuna_> crdlb, it has been like that since 8.04
[05:13] <kholerabbi> did grub2 make it into jaunty?
[05:13] <afallenhope> how come CTRL + ALT + backspace doesn't work for restarting x?
[05:13] <LiraNuna_> they disabled it
[05:13] <afallenhope> bah
[05:13] <afallenhope> gay. how do I restart it?
[05:13] <LiraNuna_> sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[05:13] <holdenss> grub 2?
[05:14] <holdenss> wait, why did they disable ctrl + alt + delete for restarting x?
[05:14] <kholerabbi> yes
[05:14] <LiraNuna_> it was causing people problems, I guess
[05:14] <kholerabbi> there is a terminal code to re enable.. wait a sec
[05:14] <LiraNuna_> "#
[05:14] <LiraNuna_> Ctrl-Alt-Backspace is now disabled, to reduce issues experienced by users who accidentally trigger the key combo. Users who do want this function can enable it in their xorg.conf, or via the command dontzap --disable.
[05:14] <LiraNuna_> "
[05:14] <LiraNuna_> whoops, sorry for that
[05:15] <LiraNuna_> that was supposed to come up in one line
[05:15] <kholerabbi> well done
[05:16] <QPrime> you can still kill all terminal processes (including X) with <alt><SysRq><k>  it should respawn.
[05:16] <QPrime> same basic effect when in X, but implemented in the kernel.
[05:18] <LiraNuna_> what do you know, it works
[05:18] <LiraNuna_> I never knew what SysRq is
[05:18] <kholerabbi> me niether :P
[05:18] <QPrime> at first I was very much opposed to the removal, but I'm slowly coming around.
[05:19] <holdenss> i don't have a sysrq key on my keyboard
[05:19] <QPrime> nice think is, because its a kernel function, it will kill a hung X session when <crtl><alt><bkspace> won't
[05:19] <LiraNuna_> holdenss, it's Print Screen
[05:19] <QPrime> holdenss: do you have a print screen key?
[05:19] <holdenss> nope
[05:20] <crdlb> LiraNuna_: yeah, the check is just failing
[05:20] <QPrime> holdenss: errr... what keyboard are you using?  US_qwery layout?
[05:20] <LiraNuna_> crdlb, what check?
[05:21] <crdlb> for svn
[05:21] <holdenss> qprime, im using apple mac keyboards, they don't have a print screen function
[05:21] <LiraNuna_> oh, I think you need libsvn1
[05:21] <LiraNuna_> +-1ve
[05:21] <LiraNuna_> -dev*
[05:21] <holdenss> might have to get my dads pc keyboard, or map the print screen function to something else
[05:21] <QPrime> holdenss: ouch... should be a metakey combo for it in your kernel build.
[05:22] <holdenss> :
[05:22] <holdenss> :(  *
[05:22] <holdenss> brb
[05:22] <LiraNuna_> crdlb, think their problem is including libsvn1 as an anjuta dependency?
[05:22] <crdlb> LiraNuna_: it installs both of those
[05:23] <crdlb> (I'm looking at the build log on launchpad)
[05:23] <LiraNuna_> oh, so their check fails?
[05:23] <LiraNuna_> (can I get a link to that page, please?)
[05:23] <crdlb> it fails to find 'svn-config' first of all which may or may not be fatal
[05:23] <crdlb> ubuntu doesn't seem to have that binary at all
[05:23] <crdlb> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/anjuta/2:2.26.0.0-0ubuntu1/+build/910336
[05:24] <LiraNuna_> thank you
[05:24] <crdlb> then it does this hacky check to verify that svn is at least 1.5.1 (it's 1.5.4), but that fails too
[05:24] <LiraNuna_> "libsvn-dev: missing"
[05:24] <crdlb> which definitely is fatal, but it may have been caused by svn-config being missing
[05:24] <crdlb> LiraNuna_: keep scrolling
[05:24] <LiraNuna_> it shows a bunch of stuff missing, which I know anjuta won't be happy about
[05:24] <crdlb> nah
[05:25] <LiraNuna_> "Building subversion plugin: ............................NO"
[05:25] <crdlb> because of the errors
[05:26] <crdlb> zgrep -i it for svn and subversion
[05:26] <Rubin> hrm. seems the intel graphics support is even worse, instead of better, as i'd hoped. scorched locks the entire system hard every time now
[05:26] <LiraNuna_> Rubin, they said they got problems with that driver
[05:26] <crdlb> note in particular: checking if subversion support is disabled... no
[05:27] <Rubin> LiraNuna_, its been broken for years, yeah.
[05:27] <LiraNuna_> haha
[05:27] <Rubin> but now it hangs instantly instead of 'after a while' ;)
[05:27] <crdlb> games + open source driver == bad
[05:27] <crdlb> unfortunately
[05:27] <LiraNuna_> "Users of Intel video chipsets have reported performance regressions in Ubuntu 8.10 compared with previous releases. (252094) Although these performance issues have not been resolved by default in Ubuntu 9.04, a new experimental acceleration architecture option, DRI2/UXA, is available for Intel graphics users"
[05:28] <Rubin> hmm thanks lira, i'll look at that
[05:28] <Rubin> but its not that its slow, for me
[05:28] <Rubin> who knows tho
[05:29] <LiraNuna_> crdlb, I want to file a bug but they'll probably mark it as low priority and no one will care
[05:30] <crdlb> LiraNuna_: it's better than not filing a bug ...
[05:30] <crdlb> if I had the config.log I could tell you exactly why it failed
[05:30] <LiraNuna_> I understand
[05:31] <crdlb> hmm, only 70MB of build-deps
[05:32] <Jordan_U> If you use UXA on intel in jaunty will you get redirected direct rendering?
[05:32] <LiraNuna_> crdlb, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/anjuta/+bug/351361
[05:32] <LiraNuna_> let's hope it'll get answered
[05:32] <crdlb> Jordan_U: that's a good question
[05:33] <crdlb> I know they have GEM in the kernel now, but it may need KMS too
[05:34] <Jordan_U> crdlb, I don't see how redirected direct rendering would require Kernel Mode Setting. With my limited understanding they seem fairly separate
[05:34] <crdlb> I know they're all related
[05:35] <crdlb> but maybe it's the other way around (KMS needs the others)
[05:35] <crdlb> LiraNuna_: got it
[05:36] <crdlb> wait, no I don't, but i have the log
[05:38] <LiraNuna_> crdlb, if you can post your findings in the bug report, I bet it'll be helpful
[05:38] <LiraNuna_> also, thanks for doing this
[05:38] <LiraNuna_> I wish I had that kind of knowledge
[05:42] <crdlb> LiraNuna_: ah, simple problem
[05:42] <LiraNuna_> autotools for me is voodoo magic
[05:43] <LiraNuna_> I actually write my own custom makefiles
[05:43] <crdlb> it's missing the headers for libneon
[05:45] <LiraNuna_> interesting
[05:45] <crdlb> I'm not sure which package is right though
[05:45] <LiraNuna_> libneon26 - An HTTP and WebDAV client library
[05:45] <crdlb> libneon27-gnutls-dev made configure pass
[05:46] <LiraNuna_> SVN uses DAV
[05:46] <crdlb> but there's also a libneon27-dev, which conflicts against it
[05:46] <crdlb> (and the binary packages for both are installed here)
[05:46] <LiraNuna_> there seem to be libneon25, 26 and 27
[05:47] <crdlb> svn depends on the -gnutls one, so I'm going to say I made the right choice
[05:47] <crdlb> yeah, those are different ABIs
[05:47] <LiraNuna_> I see
[05:47] <crdlb> the check is for .28, which is satisfied by the -27 package
[05:47] <crdlb> (the abi didn't change, so they didn't make a new package)
[05:49] <crdlb> hmm, libsvn1-dev has libneon27-gnutls-dev as only Suggests
[05:49] <crdlb> I wonder if anjuta really needs it
[05:50] <DanaG> argh, danged apt-preferences can't do wildcards!
[05:50] <Naynay> Sound volume seems to be controlled by each indiviual application at the moment. The gnome panel volume control seems to be ineffective.
[05:51] <Naynay> adobe flashplugin, amarok, etc volume can only be controlled by the volume knob on the application
[05:52] <LiraNuna_> Naynay, works here - try setting "Master" under sys->perf->sound
[05:55] <Naynay> sorry? Where's the master setting
[05:55] <crdlb> LiraNuna_: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/anjuta/+bug/282160
[05:55] <Naynay> by default my sound settings are set to use OSS
[05:55] <holdenss> hey i just got back from using ubuntu on my macbook, on the system manager, it says i've got 3.5 gb of ram when i've got 4, whats happened?
[05:55] <holdenss> jaunty*
[05:56] <crdlb> it's hard to search for 'svn' when most of the references are spurious :/
[05:56] <SwedeMike> holdenss: are you running 32bit version of ubuntu?
[05:56] <LiraNuna_> crdlb, ah, an old bug
[05:56] <crdlb> yeah :>
[05:57] <LiraNuna_> "wishlist" <_<
[05:57] <crdlb> you might want to post about the missing libneon27-gnutls-dev on there
[05:58] <holdenss> swedemike, im running 64 bit
[05:58] <LiraNuna_> Naynay, system->perf->sound / devices tab / bottom, select your soundcard's HDA option (HDA NVidia in my case) and then select "Master" from the list
[05:58] <SwedeMike> holdenss: perhaps it uses some memory as shared graphics memory?
[05:59] <holdenss> swedemike, maybe but i still found it odd, the idea of 64 bit is to take advantage of the 4gb of memory
[06:00] <SwedeMike> holdenss: if your platform allocates 512 megs of ram as shared graphics memory, it's hard to use it for anything else. I don't know mac:s, so I'm not sure that happens, but I know there are platforms that works that way.
[06:01] <holdenss> mk thanks
[06:02] <Amaranth> I've only got 1.8GB of my 2GB RAM
[06:02] <Amaranth> same reason, I'm sure
[06:03] <Amaranth> Memory reserved for the kernel and the integrated graphics will not show
[06:07] <Jordan_U> When I try to boot the jaunty beta LiveCD I get an error that the CD could not be read, I have verified that the CD burned properly
[06:13] <Naynay> OK, trying to fix the sound doesn't work
[06:13] <Naynay> My machine has Intel ICH6
[06:14] <Naynay> I'm playing around with the default mixer tracks option
[06:14] <Naynay> Tried using the ICH6 alsa option, but that made amarok hate me
[06:15] <Naynay> it defaulted to pulse audio. The gnome panel still can't control the amarok volume
[06:23] <Jordan_U> Naynay, Make sure that Amarok is using pulseaudio
[06:23] <Naynay> it made sure of that itself
[06:25] <Jordan_U> Naynay, Right click the applet and choose preferences
[06:26] <Naynay> the tray sound icon you mean?
[06:26] <Naynay> amarok still thinks I'm using alsa
[06:26] <Naynay> I'm using the PLayback ICH6 pulseaudio
[06:27] <Naynay> set to master
[06:27] <Naynay> sorry, this isn't helping
[06:29] <LiraNuna_> flashplugin-nonfree on 64bit hadn't been upgraded to use the 64bit build on jaunty?
[06:31] <LiraNuna_> Naynay, try setting it to ALSA
[06:31] <Naynay> been there, done that, got the t-shirt, didn't help
[06:32] <LiraNuna_> I got ICH9, so I can't say anything for the driver
[06:41] <afallenhope> sorry what do I need for this to work? ./install.sfx.30960: not found
[06:41] <Jordan_U> afallenhope, What are you trying to install?
[06:42] <afallenhope> Jordan_U, java the latest  update
[06:42] <afallenhope> http://www.64bitjungle.com/ubuntu/install-java-jre-160-update-x-on-hardy-as-the-default-java-runtime/
[06:43] <Jordan_U> afallenhope, What is wrong with the version of java in the repos?
[06:43] <afallenhope> Jordan_U, it's out date and contains exploits
[06:43] <askvictor> if I want to format a partition with ext4, does mkfs.ext4 use extents and all the new goodies?
[06:44] <afallenhope> Jordan_U, also I would like to install 32 bit java
[06:45] <afallenhope> Jordan_U, was just a bad archive
[06:46] <mjheagle8> hello, i'm having a problem with notify-osd and my brightness not working. can anybody help me with this?
[06:47] <Jordan_U> mjheagle8, What is not working about notify-osd? Are you not getting any notifications? Getting an error? etc
[06:47] <mjheagle8> i'm getting all my notifications fine, except for brightness. it changes, but i see no notification that handles the brightness.
[06:51] <mjheagle8> Jordan_U, do you know what could be causing this problem? or how i could fix it?
[06:51] <Jordan_U> mjheagle8, No
[06:51] <mjheagle8> oh darn.
[06:52] <mjheagle8> thanks anyways.
[06:54] <Jordan_U> mjheagle8, You might want to check if any bug has been filed or if not file one yourself, I don't have a laptop available right now so I can't confirm the bug
[06:57] <mjheagle8> i have discovered a bug online.
[06:57] <mjheagle8> incomplete theme apparently.
[06:58] <mjheagle8> thanks for the suggestion.
[07:02] <afallenhope> where's the i32-lib in jaunty?
[07:03] <ripps> Does anybody here know how to cut the "ubuntu" and "ppa" fields from the string "libmpd_0.18.1+git090318-0ubuntu1~ppa1"?
[07:03] <homerhomer> I was looking around today at Jaunty and I noticed that the flash non-free is selecting the 32bit version with ndiswrapper, this seems really silly because there is a 64bit version out and it works really well
[07:03] <ripps> I'm working an automated packaging script.
[07:03] <holdenss> homerhomer, yeah i noticed the same thing, hope its fixed for final release
[07:06] <billybigrigger> ndiswrapper+flash=constant crashes for me
[07:06] <homerhomer> also the restricted extras point to the ice tea plugin too
[07:06] <homerhomer> I'm going take a walk over to launchpad
[07:08] <afallenhope> anyone know where you can get the i32 libs? for 64 bit?
[07:09] <crdlb> ripps: what exactly do you want? the numbers after ubuntu and ppa?
[07:17] <pwnguin> QPrime: did it work? (sorry for the belated, ive been detached for a while)
[07:18] <ripps> crdlb: nevermind, I found someone on google who accomplished using sed
[07:19] <ripps> Here's the script I made: http://paste.ubuntu.com/140545/
[07:19] <afallenhope> how do I disable ipv6?
[07:19] <ripps> It creates an orig tarball, builds source package, and uploads package to repository using dput.
[07:19] <crdlb> ripps: yay regex :/
[07:20] <ripps> If anyone can find a way to improve my script, please feel free to contribute
[07:20] <Tekno> afallenhope: add to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf: blacklist ipv6
[07:21] <afallenhope> ty
[07:21] <crdlb> its not a module anymore
[07:21] <crdlb> so that won't work
[07:21] <Tekno> :o
[07:21] <QPrime> (08:18:33 PM) QPrime: pwnguin: ...and it was said unto QPrime by pwnguin, "verily, install libdrm-nouveau1 and all will be well".  And so it was done.   And sprung forth a veritable bounty of FLOSS goodness onto QPrime dual monitor setup.  And it was good.
[07:22] <QPrime> pwnguin: worked perfectly.  thank you.
[07:22] <Jordan_U> afallenhope, Try using a DNS server that's worth a damn like openDNS ( unless the problem is with your router )
[07:23] <afallenhope> Jordan_U, opendns won't work with my router good dns though
[07:24] <QPrime> pwnguin: looking forward to testing nouveau and watching it improve even further.
[07:24] <pwnguin> indeed
[07:25] <crdlb> how common is it for ISPs to break with ipv6 enabled?
[07:28] <QPrime> crdlb: I imagine that they would simply not route the packets.
[07:29] <rww> crdlb: not very common these days, but it does happen
[07:30] <crdlb> it seems like "how do I disable ipv6?" is a rather popular question here :/
[07:31] <homerhomer> my new bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-restricted-extras/+bug/351389
[07:31] <homerhomer> nice robot!
[07:35] <Jordan_U> crdlb, My ISP ( until last year ) would silently ignore ipv6 DNS queries but would route ipv6 packets so switching to openDNS solved the problem for me
[07:36]  * crdlb uses verizon's alternate DNS (without the "dns assistance" spam)
[08:14] <frybye> hi - I just installed azureus/vuze in jaunty but cant find the GUI that one normally has in vuze - any tips??
[08:17] <rar_> is kernel bug "Sense Key : No Sense [current]" already fixed?
[08:47] <cwillu_clone> #bug 330824
[08:48] <cwillu_clone> If ubuntu-kernel-team isn't listed in the subscribers for the above, does it make sense for me to add them?
[08:48] <cwillu_clone> theo of ext4 fame has been investigating it, but I didn't get the impression he was part of ubuntu's team
[08:52] <cwillu_clone> turns out I haven't had a proper backup run in 3 weeks because my machines keep locking up due to the above :)
[08:52]  * crdlb coughs
[08:52]  * cwillu_clone pokes crdlb with a stick
[08:52]  * cwillu_clone pokes his other machine with a stick, it just hung again while backing up
[08:57] <cwillu_clone> stupid sunday nights :(
[08:58]  * cwillu_clone just wants someone to tell him it'll all be okay; that somebody will keep the big bad bug away :(
[08:58] <holdenss> its monday night damm it!
[08:58] <cwillu_clone> monday morning
[08:59] <LordKow> how long should it take for a ppa upload to show up in the build records for that particular ppa?
[09:02] <LordKow> ah there it is
[09:16] <syockit> cwillu_clone: thx for the link. that explains why I get all those lockup when deleting old movies. But that has nothing to do with lockup when deleting linux source code, right?
[09:18] <cwillu_clone> syockit, no, it does
[09:18] <CosmicChaos_> can we make 11.04 = naugty nymph? *g*
[09:18] <cwillu_clone> I have it happen during my nightly backup, which mostly consists of very small files getting deleted
[09:18] <syockit> nymph is an animal?
[09:19] <CosmicChaos_> its a human, and till human is created by nature
[09:19] <cwillu_clone> it's deletes in general during other io activity, as far as I can tell
[09:19] <cwillu_clone> I'm trying to build a script to hang on demand right now :)
[09:19] <syockit> testcase, you mean
[09:19] <cwillu_clone> syockit, exploit, rather :p
[09:20] <cwillu_clone> I wouldn't be surprised to see it exploitable with as little as a flash movie in a browser writing to the disk in a particular fashion
[09:24] <cwillu_clone> BUGabundo, want a new pet bug?
[09:24]  * cwillu_clone ties a ribbon around #330824's neck
[09:26] <Jordan_U> Why is  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/landscape-client/+bug/332518 marked as invalid?
[09:26] <BUGabundo> guud morning
[09:26] <BUGabundo> hey cwillu_clone
[09:27] <BUGabundo> cwillu_clone: I let landscape go long time ago
[09:27] <BUGabundo> when I filed 3 or 4 bugs, and learned it was meant for Corporates and not users
[09:27] <cwillu_clone> BUGabundo, that's not the bug I linked :p
[09:27] <BUGabundo> ahh ROFL
[09:27] <BUGabundo> bug 330824
[09:27] <BUGabundo> cwillu_clone: I don't use ext4
[09:27] <BUGabundo> ext3 + XFS are my game
[09:28] <BUGabundo> but thanks for the heads up
[09:28] <BUGabundo> many many jaunty testers want to try E4
[09:28] <cwillu_clone> didn't realize until just recently why both my laptop and desktop freeze on a regular basis, even though they have literally no hardware in common
[09:28] <cwillu_clone> (intel chipset vs nvidia chipset, etc)
[09:29] <cwillu_clone> argggh
[09:29] <cwillu_clone> ubuntu installs a sitecustomize.py in /usr/lib/python2.5, and that file is _not_ for their use
[09:29] <cwillu_clone> we went through this same thing when 2.5 came out :(
[09:32] <BUGabundo> ehehe
[09:37] <BUGabundo> cwillu_clone: soft read of the bug, and I see that too
[09:37] <BUGabundo> on my system
[09:38] <cwillu_clone> wait, on ext3?
[09:38] <BUGabundo> on XFS for HOME
[09:38] <cwillu_clone> wanna note that on the bug?
[09:38] <BUGabundo> XFS is very similar to E4
[09:38] <BUGabundo> let me re-read it again
[09:38] <BUGabundo> just to make sure
[09:39] <BUGabundo> as I said... it was soft read
[09:39] <BUGabundo> I always accused my soft locks to low disk space
[09:39] <BUGabundo> or Nvidia driver
[09:39] <BUGabundo> or some memory leak!
[09:42] <BUGabundo> cwillu_clone: diff prob.... those are mostly all rm related
[09:42] <BUGabundo> not my prob, nor do I get full system lock
[09:43] <BUGabundo> just temp sys lock, and then usable again
[09:53] <Kangarooo1> ok so i installed xubuntu 9.04 and i got someking info messedge about reseting settings.. and a command to enter in terminal but i think it didnt work
[09:53] <Kangarooo1> the command is asoundconf set-default-card
[09:53] <rar_> Does anyone also see this error? Usb Hard Drive Not Accessible (see Launchpad #264789)
[09:53] <holdenss> kangaroo1, you aussie!!!
[09:53] <Kangarooo1> and terminal said You have omitted a necessary parameter.  Please see the output from `asoundconf list`, and use one of those sound card(s) as the parameter.
[09:54] <Kangarooo1> no im not australian im Latvian
[09:54] <holdenss> what the?
[10:01] <cwillu_clone> rar_, you have cause to believe the fix wasn't actually commited?  (noting that fix-commited != fix-released, you may have to wait a while before the fix actually gets into the repository)
[10:02]  * BUGabundo broke its system.... messing with gconf is a bed idea!
[10:03] <BUGabundo> cwillu_clone: any idea where to turn caps lock off??? I enabled it on startup via gconf
[10:03] <cwillu_clone> BUGabundo, beyond turning it back off via gconf?
[10:04] <BUGabundo> if I knew where to look!
[10:04] <BUGabundo> did that yesterday afternoon
[10:04] <BUGabundo> can't remember where now...
[10:04] <BUGabundo> nothing in /desktop/gnome/accessibility/keyboard/togglekeys_enable
[10:04] <cwillu_clone> wasn't something you added to the session startup?
[10:05] <BUGabundo> dunno
[10:05] <BUGabundo> I think it was a conf on Keyboard Lock Keys applet
[10:06] <cwillu_clone> something in /desktop/gnome/peripherals/keyboard?
[10:07]  * BUGabundo looking
[10:07] <BUGabundo> been there... nothing
[10:07] <BUGabundo> no option to make Caps On on login
[10:08] <BUGabundo> even Find won't find anything
[10:08] <BUGabundo> /apps/panel/applets/applet_11/prefs/capslock_state
[10:08] <BUGabundo> think this is it
[10:09] <BUGabundo> cleared!
[10:09] <BUGabundo> uff
[10:12] <rww> c-c-c-combo breaker
[10:14] <BUGabundo> rww: ah?
[10:15] <BUGabundo> hey did *everyone* in here already run $ checkbox-gtk ???
[10:39] <balachmar> Hi, anyone using the evolution mapi plugin here? It is eating my memory like crazy! Evolution is using 2.1 G of memory now (virtually) And it causes my machine to go swapping!
[10:40] <BUGabundo> balachmar: there was a call for testing a few weeks ago
[10:40] <BUGabundo> I remember reading it on Planet Ubuntu
[10:40] <BUGabundo> please file a bug, or try to find the dev behing the plugin to let him know
[10:41] <balachmar> Well, the first bug was to get it configured, but that bug has already been filed. Somehow it works better to create an empty profile and edit that to be mapi than straight away. Straight away makes it crash :)
[10:45] <Kangarooo1> ok so i installed xubuntu 9.04 and i got someking info messedge about reseting settings.. and a command to enter in terminal but i think it didnt work
[10:45] <Kangarooo1> the command is asoundconf set-default-card
[10:45] <Kangarooo1> and terminal said You have omitted a necessary parameter.  Please see the output from `asoundconf list`, and use one of those sound card(s) as the parameter.
[10:46] <Kangarooo1> have anone got info messege about someking cofig reseting?
[11:07] <cwillu_clone> might have a repeatable testcase
[11:07] <cwillu_clone> syockit,
[11:08] <cwillu_clone> just waiting for the machine to come back, and then I'll try to hang it again
[11:09] <cwillu_clone> writing a few k to a thousand files, dropping the cache via /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches, writing a k to another thousand files, rm'ing the whole mess, and repeating 10 times
[11:09] <cwillu_clone> aka, it's still probabilistic, but more consistent than 'back up your drive'
[11:13] <BUGabundo> nice of you to try cwillu_clone
[11:19] <ActionParsnip1> yo yo yo
[11:20] <ActionParsnip1> is anyone having low resolution issues after installing nvidia-glx-180
[11:20] <ActionParsnip1> i get nice anims and all that fluff, just can't get higher than 640x480 resolution
[11:20] <ActionParsnip1> can anyone please advise
[11:20] <cwillu_clone> ActionParsnip1, crt?
[11:20] <ActionParsnip1> crt indeed
[11:21] <cwillu_clone> crt isn't reporting edid info, ran into that on an intrepid install a few days ago
[11:21] <ActionParsnip1> after a sudo nvidia-xconfig, restart and kdesudo nvidia-settings I am only permitted to set 640x480
[11:21] <cwillu_clone> an xorg.conf file with the modelines for the resolutions you want will work
[11:21] <cwillu_clone> unfortunately, we don't seem to have any tools to generate those anymore :p
[11:21] <ActionParsnip1> cwillu_clone: i'm not bad with xorg.conf
[11:21] <cwillu_clone> ActionParsnip1, how are you with modelines?
[11:22] <ActionParsnip1> cwillu_clone: not bad, is that all i need?
[11:22] <cwillu_clone> yep
[11:22] <ActionParsnip1> cool
[11:22] <ActionParsnip1> thanks chief :D
[11:22] <cwillu_clone> that's "modeline", not merely "modes"
[11:22] <ActionParsnip1> otherwise the beta is stable and a lot faster
[11:22] <ActionParsnip1> gotcha
[11:23] <ActionParsnip1> i'm at work right now but i'll hack it out later
[11:25] <BUGabundo> anyone needs a set of tests from a daily image on usb?
[11:25] <BUGabundo> booting one now on an old pc to remove win virus
[11:25] <digitaloktay> hi
[11:26] <cwillu_clone> okay, this hangs repeatably after a few rounds:  http://pastebin.com/f4c679037
[11:26] <cwillu_clone> sudo python <that file>
[11:26] <cwillu_clone> gonna try it on this machine, brb hopefully :p
[11:29] <o0Chris0o> anyone confirm the bug with tracker indexing and email? every time I check my email using evolution, its really, really slow, hangs...takes forever to delete and email..I have to force quit it each time
[11:32]  * cwillu patiently wats for his laptop to hang
[11:32] <o0Chris0o> heh
[11:33] <cwillu> s/wats/waits/
[11:41] <Kangarooo1> I found Big Bug
[11:41] <Kangarooo1> in Xubuntu 9.04
[11:42] <o0Chris0o> Kangarooo1: report it in launchpad?
[11:42] <eagles0513875> Kangarooo1: what is the bug and also report it on launchpad
[11:42] <Kangarooo1> clock shows 13:41 but in latvia its now 13
[11:42] <Kangarooo1> 12 :41
[11:42] <holdenss> daylight savings?
[11:42] <Kangarooo1> lauchpad?
[11:43] <Kangarooo1> i know that linux automaticaly changes time to all computers..
[11:43] <Kangarooo1> but now its wrong..
[11:43] <Kangarooo1> yesterday it was right..
[11:43] <eagles0513875> does it do it in intrepid
[11:43] <Kangarooo1> actually i think that 2h ago it was right
[11:44] <o0Chris0o> Kangarooo1: make sure your  settings for your local time is right
[11:44] <Kangarooo1> in all ubuntus clock times are downloaded with update..
[11:44] <cwillu_remote> and we have hardlock!
[11:44] <o0Chris0o> Kangarooo1: also, does latavia have daylight savings?
[11:44] <Kangarooo1> yes
[11:44] <o0Chris0o> want to make sure that is off
[11:45] <o0Chris0o> I think, I'm not sure
[11:45] <Kangarooo1> and yesterday we put our clocks 1h back and colputer did that too but i looked now at time and on phone .. and they dont match :)
[11:45] <o0Chris0o> and your phone?
[11:45] <o0Chris0o> hmm
[11:46] <o0Chris0o> you should double check the time settings under preferences
[11:46] <Kangarooo1> lol :D
[11:46] <Kangarooo1> in one webpage time is also too fast
[11:46] <eagles0513875> Kangarooo1: i have jaunty in a virtual machine and for me its still the right time
[11:47] <o0Chris0o> showing the right time for me as well
[11:47] <Kangarooo1> faak- stupid phone .. i cahnged it yesterday 1 hour back manually and today i t changed itself automatically 1 h back :D
[11:48] <Kangarooo1> false alarm :)
[11:49] <o0Chris0o> Kangarooo1: Cell phone networks usually does that autmaticly
[12:06] <nacho> Hi
[12:08] <nacho> since I've reinstalled the cpu freq applet starts with the processor on performance mode, do you know how to change it to ondemand mode? (I can change it in the applet but next time I reboot it goes to performance mode again)
[12:08]  * BUGabundo likes the new jaunty background image
[12:08] <BUGabundo> nacho: that is a bug! kernel now always sets it to ondemand
[12:09] <BUGabundo> please visit #ubuntu-kernel and get help there
[12:09] <nacho> ok
[12:09] <BUGabundo> I'm not sure if apw is awake yet!
[12:09] <BUGabundo> apw: ping
[12:10]  * apw is technically awake
[12:10] <BUGabundo> eheh
[12:11] <BUGabundo> apw can you help nacho?
[12:11] <BUGabundo> or point in the correct direction?
[12:11] <BUGabundo> he seems to be stuck on Performance after boot
[12:12] <apw> the kernel defaults to performance, but the cpufreq applet is meant to save its settings
[12:12] <apw> it does for me, as i have one of my build boxes stuck still in slow mode, doh
[12:12] <apw> if its not then that sounds like a gnome bug
[12:12] <nacho> ok
[12:13] <nacho> Yeah I think it should save the values but it doesn't
[12:14] <syockit> cwillu_remote: will try later
[12:14] <cwillu_remote> syockit, I'll ping you again with an updated copy, I'm getting it whittled down time-wise
[12:19] <BUGabundo> nautilus and metacity/compiz just crashed on a LiveUSB while minimizing a nautilus windows
[12:26] <Laruft> Hi. i'm looking to install conky/superkaramba?? or maybe some better plasma applet/widget thing that the defaults..  I'm using kde 4.2 jaunty
[12:30] <BUGabundo> Laruft: I don't think superkaramba was ported to 4.x
[12:31] <Laruft> plasma can use superkaramba widgets I gather, just wondered where I can source those
[12:32] <Laruft> ok i've installed superkaramba, you're right it's not ported to 4.2 -plasma replaces it's functionality
[12:32] <Laruft> even tho the info says "This package is part of the KDE 4 utilities module."
[12:44] <ripps> I'm using the Mainline kernel 2.6.29 (very nice and stable, btw) the only issue is that I get a warning at boot that says it's unable to load a apparmor module. Is there some kind of dkms source I can use to build it?
[12:46] <ActionParsnip1> ripps: is apparmour installed?
[12:46] <ripps> ActionParsnip1: yes
[12:46] <andresmh> i just upgraded my 8.10 to 9.04. Everything seems to work fine but I am still seeing the old notification system.
[12:47] <andresmh> Any ideas on how to enable the new one? I am using a theme called Mac4Lin btw
[12:47] <ActionParsnip1> ripps: could try apt-get --reinstall install <whatever it takes here>
[12:47] <ripps> The mainline kernel's don't come with ubuntu patches or restricted modules, my guess is that the apparmor module would be there, is there apparmor module source I can use to build the kernel module?
[12:48] <ActionParsnip1> ripps: you could apt-get the source and compile that way
[12:50] <koperton> wth my atheros doesn't work anymore
[12:51] <koperton> 05:00.0 Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications Inc. AR242x 802.11abg Wireless PCI Express Adapter (rev 01)
[12:52] <andresmh> how do I get the new notificaton system to work? I upgraded from 8.10 to 9.04
[12:54] <ActionParsnip1> koperton: i have an awesome link for that
[12:54] <BUGabundo> andresmh: it should be working out of the box
[12:55] <ActionParsnip1> koperton: http://www.google.com/url?sa=U&start=1&q=http://madberry.org/2008/11/how-to-get-atheros-ar242x-to-work-on-810-intrepid-ibex/&ei=CLPQSeuMFuCLtgewobjeCQ&usg=AFQjCNGvZy5ER-cnGwRegwj98pGMF2pmyg
[12:55] <ActionParsnip1> i hate googler
[12:55] <andresmh> BUGabundo, it isn't for some reason. I rebooteed a couple of times already.
[12:55] <topyli> andresmh: it only works if you have compositing
[12:56] <andresmh> topyli, I am using Compiz. That means I have compositing right?
[12:56] <topyli> yes
[12:56] <andresmh> I am using the Mac4Lin theme topyli, BUGabundo, does that matter?
[12:56] <koperton> ActionParsnip1: mmm that is for 8.10
[12:57] <koperton> anyway i'll give a try
[12:57] <ripps> It seems that apparmor requires a series of kernel patches, which aren't include in mainline. So mainline kernel probably will never have it.
[12:57] <ActionParsnip1> koperton: if you read it, its all compiling which will work on any version of ubuntu
[12:57] <ArcticPenguin> ubuntu is cancer that attaches itself in an intellectual property sense to everything it touches
[12:58] <koperton> ActionParsnip1: mm that uses ath5k and i have already it
[12:58] <koperton> xD damned upgrade yesterday was working
[12:59] <ArcticPenguin> Linux is cancer that attaches itself in an intellectual property sense to everything it touches
[12:59] <ArcticPenguin> Windows is god
[13:00] <syockit> "Windows is god" <-- whose quote?
[13:00] <ArcticPenguin> my quote
[13:00] <ArcticPenguin> Ballmer is the man!
[13:01] <bazhang> !ot > ArcticPenguin
[13:02] <ArcticPenguin> Ballmer is the man!
[13:02] <bazhang> ArcticPenguin, stop that
[13:04] <ArcticPenguin> Ok name one thing the open source community has created unique without copying some closed source application
[13:05] <bazhang> ArcticPenguin, take offtopic chat to #ubuntu-offtopic
[13:12] <CosmicChaos_> actual update want me to remove ethtool because it conflicts with "sparc-utils" but i cannot find that package ... any ideas?
[13:15] <edi_99> hi guys
[13:16] <edi_99> i have a problem with my wirelless conn
[13:16] <edi_99> when trying to connect with knetworkmanager...
[13:16] <edi_99> it does'n do anything....
[13:17] <Laruft> edi, go to the top right plasma thingy
[13:17] <Laruft> add a widget
[13:18] <edi_99> a widget for knetworkman?
[13:18] <Laruft> yeah hangon
[13:18] <Laruft> let me explain
[13:20] <Laruft> mouse over where the time is displayed bottom right, select panel options-> add widget
[13:20] <Laruft> then select network management
[13:21] <Laruft> that will put a little box on the bar. which when u left click will pop up a list of wifi signals
[13:21] <vistakiller> anyone with hp in jaunty?
[13:21] <Laruft> samsung here
[13:21] <vistakiller> it seems tha hp-toolbox is not working
[13:22] <Laruft> whats the problem you are having, maybe someone reading can help  or get back to you
[13:22] <edi_99> Laruft: seems like I'm missing the network management option
[13:22] <frybye> vistakiller: is that a windows utillity??
[13:22] <vistakiller> no is linux utility
[13:22] <vistakiller> not a winblows
[13:23] <ramiro_> hi everyone
[13:23] <ramiro_> jaunty doesnt detect my graphics card
[13:23] <edi_99> Laruft: oh nevermind got it...
[13:24] <frybye> ok - was not aware that the manuf.. are providing linux supp...
[13:24] <Laruft> cool, let me know if you have any other problems   It seems to work pretty well, but sometimes i have to rekey my wifi pass
[13:25] <edi_99> Laruft: thanks for the help, let's hope that wifi works after i plug out the cable :)
[13:25] <vistakiller> it seems tha the problem is solved with hp-toolbox with today update
[13:26] <ramiro_> help anyone?
[13:26] <EvilRoey> hello
[13:27] <ramiro_> my resolution is too low and jaunty doesnt detect my driver
[13:27] <ramiro_> wich is restricted
[13:27] <Laruft> ramiro, what is your graphics card?
[13:27] <vistakiller> ramiro what is you gpu?
[13:27] <vistakiller> your*
[13:28] <Laruft> and what drives do you have?
[13:28] <Laruft> oh driver, sorry misread
[13:28] <ramiro_> it's gfroce 4
[13:29] <ramiro_> jaunty's live cd does dectect it
[13:30] <Laruft> you might just need to update the video driver perhaps
[13:30] <ramiro_> how?
[13:31] <Aggro> ramiro_: system -> administration -> hardware drivers ?
[13:31] <DJones> ramiro_: I have a similar problem with my desktop, restricted drivers doesn't detect my geforce2 graphics card on my desktop, but it does detect a geforce2 go card in my laptop
[13:31] <ramiro_> it just appears the wifi driver
[13:32] <ramiro_> well it's weird because when i was installing it, with the live cd; my gforce driver appeared there
[13:32] <biberao> hi
[13:32] <ramiro_> i enabled it but it required a reboot, so i couldn't make it work
[13:35] <Laruft> nvidia version 180 is what I'm using.  i assume latest version will support all cards?
[13:35] <ramiro_> so i should install nvidia from add/remove programs?
[13:38] <EvilRoey> Is Facebook's Java Photo uploader supposed to work in Konqueror?  I have Java installed.  When I try and add more photos to a Facebook photo album, I get "loading applet"--and that's it.
[13:38] <rmgibbs> After upgrading to Jaunty, what do I do with the disabled Third Party Sources? I assume they are from the older version? -Thanks
[13:40] <ramiro_> whats the sudo to install nvidia drivers?
[13:41] <Laruft> just working on this....
[13:41] <Laruft> is there a way to list all packages I have installed?
[13:41] <popey> Laruft: dpkg -l | grep ^ii
[13:43] <ActionParsnip1> EvilRoey: i'd use the old uploader, its super compatible
[13:45] <Laruft> ramiro_:  you should have nvidia-settings, nvidia-common and nvidia-glx-80   I have others too, but those are the main ones I believe
[13:45] <EvilRoey> ActionParsnip1:  hehehe nice nick
[13:45] <EvilRoey> ActionParsnip1:  the one that takes a massive amount of time to upload pictures?
[13:47] <ActionParsnip1> EvilRoey: slow is better than none
[13:48] <linkinx64_> guys i was using my TV as a second display and now my laptop shows only 1024x768 instead of 1280....i don't see the option
[13:48] <linkinx64_> hi ! :
[13:55] <Newbee> hello everybody
[13:55] <Newbee> I am unable to make strigi work in kubuntu jaunty. When I try to enable it in the system settings is only tells me that it is not working.
[13:57] <eagles0513875> Newbee:  fyi expect there to be bugs since its still a beta
[13:58] <eagles0513875> also if bugs are found submit to launchpad.net
[13:58] <Newbee> eagles0513875: what does fyi mean?
[13:58] <BUGabundo> andresmh: maybe... I know that some users had trouble with diff WM and Themes
[13:58] <eagles0513875> Newbee: for your information
[13:59] <eagles0513875> hey gnome
[14:00] <Newbee> eagles0513875: yes, I know that it is beta, but I wanted to ask first. Now I know, that it was probably not my fault or a problem of my installation.
[14:01] <Newbee> eagles0513875: I'll look at launchpad for the issue and submit it, if it is not there yet. Thanks.
[14:01] <eagles0513875> no problemm
[14:02] <cetanhota> Once Jaunty goes live, if I patch my Beta System to full, I wont need to do a full re-install
[14:03] <Laruft> I see the new beta has a different package manager.  I'm using an older jaunty install, when I did apt-get upgrade, I am still left with adept.
[14:03] <jpds> cetanhota: Just upgrade with the package manager.
[14:03] <cetanhota> cool, I thought so. Just wanted to make sure. I hate to do a re-install if I dont need to.
[14:03] <syockit> what are they using? Packagekit?
[14:03] <frybye> hi all - is there a way to check out and when needed repair an installation that might have some corruptions/faults in it??
[14:04] <frybye> like a command for the console - i dont mean going thru packet by packet by hand here.. ;=)
[14:04] <BUGabundo> cetanhota: running updates will give you the final release
[14:04] <BUGabundo> the prefered way to upgrade is using update-manager
[14:05] <cetanhota> Yup, and thats what I will do, just wanted to make sure I was clear.
[14:06] <frybye> BUGabundo: and so check out/repair an installation that should be up-to-date but appears to hve faults??
[14:06] <BUGabundo> cetanhota: many many users ask that!
[14:06] <BUGabundo> can you explain on your own words why would any one think that???
[14:06] <BUGabundo> I would like to understand the origin of the question
[14:06] <BUGabundo> so that it can be dealt with
[14:06] <BUGabundo> frybye: say again ???
[14:07] <Laruft> oh man i don't even have update-manager installed
[14:07] <BUGabundo> Laruft: ROFL!
[14:07] <BUGabundo> $ sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[14:07] <Laruft> it wasn't installed originally... so
[14:08] <BUGabundo> Laruft: install the metapackage
[14:08] <Laruft> I have THAT..lmao
[14:08] <BUGabundo> it should bring all that you need
[14:08] <frybye> I have an installation of jaunty -  done with update manager -d from intrepid that for instance does not have anything at the system|settings|audio... there is just nothing there.. so I am asking is there an automated way to repair a faulty installation?
[14:08] <BUGabundo> if you have that, I must have UM
[14:08] <Laruft> cmd?
[14:08] <Laruft> is it kupdate-manager i wonder /me tries
[14:09] <BUGabundo> frybye: there's no system|setting menu on my side!
[14:09] <Laruft> hmm it's not that lol
[14:09] <syockit> frybye: I'm afraid not.... you can check the forums to see if this is a known issue
[14:09] <BUGabundo> Laruft: if you have kubuntu then the metapackage is kubutnu-dekstop
[14:09] <BUGabundo> and you should have $ update-manager-kde
[14:09] <frybye> I am using a German o.system so dont know the exact erminology...
[14:09] <cetanhota> I think many users feel that a beta is just that, a testing system. The final release is the one that we should use once it goes live. That being said, people think that once the Final is out then the beta is not needed anymore. So off they go to do a full install. Knowing that if the are running the Beta, and do a full update on day of release would give them the final release.
[14:09] <frybye> in english i mean..
[14:10] <Laruft> ah yes, that explains it
[14:10] <BUGabundo> cetanhota: I get what u mean but still have no idea why ppl would think that
[14:10] <frybye> like system|settings|sound - in German system|einstellungen|audio..
[14:10] <cetanhota> Sometimes those facts just are not clear to many users.
[14:11] <cetanhota> They get beat into there heads that beta is testing and only testing. when the new comes out you have to do a full re-install.
[14:11] <BUGabundo> frybye: both on System|Preferences and System|Admin I have no Audio tab
[14:11] <cetanhota> Many people still think and live in the windows world, I think allot of these ideas come from there.
[14:11] <BUGabundo> ok cetanhota. thanks once again
[14:11] <frybye> BUG - what about s o u n d
[14:12] <Laruft> cetanhota: people use the beta because the release before didn't work as expected.   or the beta added new functionality
[14:12] <BUGabundo> if you see any users asking that on foruns, PLEASE tell them that running update-manager will get them the Final
[14:12] <BUGabundo> frybye: you can change your language too!! eheh
[14:12] <syockit> hey! sometimes the system still feels like it's still under testing whilst it's already released (my experience with intrepid). Seeing I'm bound to meet problems anyway, this time I chose to roll along with the development
[14:12] <frybye> where do you go to check - config your underlying sound system...
[14:12] <Laruft> and update-manager-kde for kubuntu users! lmao, they need to apt-get it too
[14:12] <BUGabundo> frybye: yes I have Sound on Preferences
[14:12] <frybye> BUGabundo: then my German wife wont like it...
[14:13] <BUGabundo> frybye: make her a new profile just for her
[14:13] <cetanhota> Laruft, or some people use it like me because they like to help out during the beta phase looking for bugs and such.
[14:13] <BUGabundo> and one for you!
[14:13] <BUGabundo> easy!!!
[14:13] <Eruaran> I have an issue but I'm not sure where to report it
[14:13] <BUGabundo> frybye: ubuntu multiuser is pretty nice!
[14:13] <BUGabundo> Eruaran: what's up?
[14:13] <frybye> right and when I left-click on that - a tab appears at bottom of screen saying "starting sound" for a few seconds and then dissapears and then there is nothing...
[14:13] <BUGabundo> :) frybye what about your French madame? :)
[14:14] <frybye> multi user = "You are hidinfg something from me!"  heheh
[14:14] <Eruaran> BUGabundo: In my system log I'm getting this every few seconds, 2009-03-31 00:13:45	Shadowfax	kernel	[ 4046.668899] ACPI: Unable to turn cooling device [f6c1df18] 'on'
[14:14] <BUGabundo> frybye: heheheheeheheheheheheheheheheheheeheh
[14:14] <BUGabundo> Eruaran: ah known prob!
[14:14] <frybye> we only speak Polish together the floosie and me - and she aint here using the pc in the fam. appt.. heheh
[14:14] <BUGabundo> seems that some systems report an nonexiting fan
[14:14] <BUGabundo> its a BIOS bug
[14:15] <Eruaran> BUGabundo: It does not seem to affect general usage
[14:15] <BUGabundo> see if there's a bios update Eruaran
[14:15] <Eruaran> BUGabundo: ah so BIOS update ?
[14:15] <Eruaran> ok
[14:15] <BUGabundo> if not, you should get the kernel team patching the kernel to ignore it
[14:15] <frybye> BUG - so is there a "check out the installation and repair if necessary" command or not?
[14:15] <BUGabundo> but that won't happen for this cycle since we are close to release
[14:15] <Eruaran> my BIOS is pretty crappy
[14:15] <BUGabundo> Eruaran: but ask on #ubuntu-kernel or to apw
[14:16] <Eruaran> ok
[14:16] <BUGabundo> frybye: well maybe some sound dev can help you
[14:16] <BUGabundo> its way above my knowlage
[14:16] <BUGabundo> its too soon for dtchen to be awaked!
[14:16] <BUGabundo> try around 19h GMT
[14:17] <frybye> ok BUGabundo but you are here - ;=)
[14:17] <frybye> BUGabundo: i c - ok
[14:17] <BUGabundo> frybye: but I have no idea how to debug audio
[14:17] <frybye> and you dontt know of a general system to check out and repair an installation?
[14:18] <Aggro> BUGabundo: I have investigated it for two days. Neither do I.
[14:18] <frybye> Aggro - you got the same prob??
[14:18] <Aggro> frybye: I got problem with sounds. Pulseaudio crashes/shuts down on me. And I have no idea why or how to get more info about it.
[14:19] <Aggro> I'm still trying to figure out what starts the pulseaudio
[14:19] <frybye> well I guess you have already googled? - trouble with thaat is than almost none of the hits actually relate to jaunty...
[14:19] <BUGabundo> Aggro: PA auto spawns now
[14:20] <BUGabundo> even if you kill it, stop it, it WILL auto start again
[14:20] <Aggro> BUGabundo: No it wont
[14:20] <BUGabundo> yes it does
[14:20] <frybye> Aggro: can you access the system|prefs|sound area??
[14:20] <Laruft> anyone know the command line for update-manager-kde ?
[14:20] <Aggro> BUGabundo: Want me to pastebin you a ps aux list without pulseaudio?
[14:20] <Laruft> no man page or -? lol
[14:20] <BUGabundo> Laruft: do-release-upgrade
[14:21] <BUGabundo> Laruft: add '-d' to distupgrade
[14:21] <BUGabundo> Aggro: didn't you say it would start on its own?
[14:21] <Aggro> frybye: Not exactly. My problem is more related to thin client. I only got ssh connection to the machine where pulseaudio crashes.
[14:21] <Laruft> no new release found
[14:21] <frybye> i c
[14:22] <Aggro> BUGabundo: Then what di dyou say?
[14:22] <frybye> catch you guys in a bit  ...
[14:22] <BUGabundo> Aggro: too much confusion
[14:22] <BUGabundo> never mind
[14:22] <BUGabundo> lets start over
[14:22] <BUGabundo> Laruft: are you on jaunty?
[14:23] <Aggro> BUGabundo: Ok, do you know how I can prevent it from starting?
[14:23] <BUGabundo> if so, of course there's no new release
[14:23] <BUGabundo> Aggro: yes
[14:23] <Aggro> Please share this information?
[14:23] <BUGabundo> you can stop it from auto spawning
[14:24] <Aggro> I want to stop it from starting at all, so I can start it on my own way, so it would not crash.
[14:24] <ActionParsnip1> !bun
[14:24] <ActionParsnip1> !bum
[14:24] <ActionParsnip1> Aggro: that may help
[14:24] <BUGabundo> Aggro: let me find the info on that
[14:24] <BUGabundo> maco: ping
[14:24] <BUGabundo> ActionParsnip1: bum will not work!
[14:24] <maco> BUGabundo: pong?
[14:25] <Laruft> yes Bugabundo
[14:25] <ActionParsnip1> BUGabundo: no need for the '!'
[14:25] <BUGabundo> maco please refresh my memory on how to stop
[14:25] <BUGabundo> PA from auto spawn
[14:25] <maco> Aggro: you wanna turn off pulse autospawn?
[14:25] <BUGabundo> so that Aggro can stop it
[14:25] <maco> Aggro: wait did you say it just keeps crashing?
[14:25] <Aggro> It only crashes once
[14:25] <Aggro> or shuts down
[14:26] <Aggro> I don't know which
[14:26] <Aggro> as I can't get any information of what happens.
[14:26] <maco> Aggro: lemme check something...
[14:26] <ActionParsnip1> Aggro: read your    dmesg | tail
[14:27] <maco> no....there's a kernel bug that was making pulse unstable
[14:27] <BUGabundo> maco a new one?
[14:27] <maco> the one dan was having people test last week
[14:27] <Aggro> ActionParsnip1: Nothing there
[14:27] <maco> im trying to see if the kernel team released the fix yet
[14:28] <ActionParsnip1> Aggro: bah
[14:29] <Aggro> ActionParsnip1: Like I said, I have spend 2 days with this problem. But I accept any guesses you can make.
[14:29] <BUGabundo> maco: I think so
[14:29] <BUGabundo> I remember getting it on Friday
[14:30] <BUGabundo> and dtchen hasn't upped his repo version either
[14:30] <maco> Aggro: do you have 2.6.28-11.38?
[14:30] <Aggro> Linux ltsp2 2.6.28-11-generic #38-Ubuntu SMP Fri Mar 27 09:00:52 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux
[14:31] <maco> Aggro: does it only happen with that kernel?
[14:32] <maco> Aggro: you said 2 days. if you rever to 2.6.10, is it ok?
[14:32] <ActionParsnip1> Aggro: i'd reboot then wait for the conflict then read all of: dmesg | less
[14:33] <Aggro> maco: Sounds worked with Ubuntu 8.04, two days ago I installed Jaunty beta and since then I have tried to solve the sound problem
[14:33] <Aggro> ActionParsnip1: Trust me on this, there is nothing on dmesg. I have rebooted about 50 times today, I have looked dmesg before and after the pulseaudio goes down.
[14:34] <maco> doh, ok...
[14:34] <Aggro> But the thing is, if after the crash I start pulseaudio manually with command "pulseaudio" it does not crash, it works.
[14:35] <maco> what if you use start-pulseaudio-x11?
[14:35] <maco> is there a difference?
[14:35] <maco> and what if you just dont restart it? will it start itself when you play sound?
[14:35] <maco> autospawn means it should start automatically when you play sound
[14:36] <setuid> Anyone know what the replacement for /etc/modprobe.d/aliases is?
[14:37] <Aggro> maco: start-pulseaudio-x11 does not seem to crash
[14:37] <Aggro> maco: If I don't restart, then there is no pulseaudio process and I don't hear any sounds.
[14:38] <maco> sounds like autospawn's already off then
[14:38] <throughn1thing> does anyone know if the Jaunty LiveCD supports manual setup for encrypted disks...or is the alternate CD still required for setups like this
[14:39] <Aggro> maco: When I did apt-get remove pulseaudio && apt-get install pulseaudio I got some new packages.. that fixed part of my problem, but it still crashes on startup. Could autospawner be missing from the ltsp also? Do you know the packet name?
[14:39] <BUGabundo> throughn1thing: yes!
[14:40] <throughn1thing> BUGabundo: so i dont need the alternate disk anymore?
[14:40] <arthur_> Hi there. This might be trivial but don't know howto. Upgrade broke a few Gnome features. How can I  completely "refresh" Gnome desktop?
[14:40] <BUGabundo> please refer to release notes for more details info
[14:40] <throughn1thing> ok thanks
[14:40] <maco> Aggro: in /etc/pulse/client.conf, what does lne 26 say?
[14:40] <BUGabundo> throughn1thing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JauntyJackalope/TechnicalOverview
[14:40] <throughn1thing> perfect, thanks!
[14:40] <BUGabundo> http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/jaunty/beta
[14:41] <Aggro> maco: autospawn = yes
[14:41] <throughn1thing> BUGabundo: hmm i have read this, and it does not mention anything on this page about encrypted partitions
[14:41] <maco> interesting..... so you logged out & in after installing new pulse packages?
[14:41] <throughn1thing> it talks about the ecryptfs "private" folder, but not entire disks
[14:41] <arthur_> apt-get remove --purge ubuntu-desktop and than a re-install would that work?
[14:42] <Aggro> maco: Yes, pressed reset button
[14:42] <maco> throughn1thing: for LVM encryption or home directory encryption, you need the alt cd
[14:42] <BUGabundo> throughn1thing: ahhh sorry. my mistake
[14:42] <maco> i dotn know about private directory
[14:43] <throughn1thing> i guess ill stick with the alternate disk just to be safe
[14:43] <maco> Aggro: :( ok well to make sound play without pulseaudio, you need to be in the audio group in /etc/group
[14:44] <maco> Aggro: talk to dtchen or TheMuso though. they know more about how pulse works under the hood
[14:44] <Aggro> maco: I want to use pulseaudio, and it works after the first crash.
[14:44] <Aggro> I just want to automate the thing if possible. And help debugging the problem if I can. But I'm out of ideas how to find the problem.
[14:46] <maco> Aggro: does the crash show in any log?
[14:47] <Aggro> maco: Not any I have found
[14:48] <Aggro> maco: E.g. syslog is empty, nothing there. size of file is 0.
[14:48] <cetanhota> good news, the issue with iso being mounted from the host OS in VMware has been resolved.
[14:48] <Aggro> dmesg shows stuff, but nothing about the crash
[14:48] <maco> Aggro: "stuff"? pastebin?
[14:49] <Aggro> maco: stuff... I think it is unrelated, but sure...
[14:49] <BUGabundo>  !paste
[14:51] <Aggro> maco: http://pastebin.com/d5bbe569b
[14:58] <BUGabundo> do Notifications bubble make your screens flash too, when using a FulScreen app?
[15:00] <bsnider> maco, there is no audio group
[15:01] <bsnider> maco, there are 3 pulse groups
[15:01] <maco> bsnider: there is an audio group
[15:01] <maco> bsnider: pulse is a member of it
[15:01] <bsnider> ok, i ghuess it's invisible
[15:01] <maco> are you looking in the actual file or at the gui thing?
[15:02] <bsnider> the gui thing
[15:02] <maco> bah dont trust guis
[15:02] <Blinkiz> Okay, this popping up of users login in on pidgin needs to be disabled on my computer. I mean, this new notification box (black background) that pops up everytime a new user login on pidgin. How do I disable it?
[15:02] <BUGabundo> bsnider: $ groups
[15:02] <bsnider> uh huh
[15:02] <maco> Blinkiz: tools -> plugins -> libnotify plugin
[15:03] <bsnider> you  don't need to do anything beyond the default setup to make pulse work
[15:03] <Blinkiz> maco, thanks
[15:03] <BUGabundo> Blinkiz: Pidgin->Plugins->notifications
[15:03] <maco> Blinkiz: you can set which things should and shouldn't notify
[15:03] <BUGabundo> turn off the option for notification when someone enters/leaves
[15:03] <maco> bsnider: the audio group is for if you *don't* want to use pulse
[15:03] <bsnider> you can't get rid of pulse
[15:03] <bsnider> and you shouldn't get rid of it
[15:04] <maco> bsnider: kubuntu doesnt use pulse
[15:04] <maco> bsnider: so, for example, on a kubuntu system, you are automatically in audio and not pulse because pulse just plain isnt installed
[15:04] <bsnider> if you say so
[15:05] <maco> and since some people prefer not to use pulse period, say because its still really buggy, the way to go about doing that is to remove pulse and join that group so you've got the same setup as a kubuntu user, but you'll probably run into issues with apps taking exclusive locks on the devices if you dont explicitly setup dmix
[15:06] <nemo> or. can use a better sound card :)
[15:06] <bsnider> pulse isn't still really buggy
[15:06] <nemo> $10 SB16, no more locks
[15:06] <nemo> bsnider: still blows up on me :-/
[15:06] <nemo> regularly
[15:06] <nemo> locks up. have to kill it.
[15:06] <nemo> crashes
[15:06] <nemo> both ibex and jaunty
[15:06] <bsnider> i see, and you clean installed jaunty recently?
[15:07] <Aggro> maco: The start-pulseaudio-x11 crashed
[15:07] <Machtin> hm, how large should /tmp be?
[15:07] <Aggro> maco: It just lived a lot longer, about 30 minutes. After that totem was closed and then it was gone.
[15:07] <maco> bsnider: er, yes, pulse is buggy. we're shipping 0.9.14, not 0.9.15 ;)
[15:08] <maco> Aggro: whereas no crashes at all with normal pulseaudio command? and you're using ltsp, right?
[15:08] <Aggro> bsnider: I just installed ubuntu beta and pulseaudio crashes after 1 minute
[15:08] <bsnider> maco, i'm sorry i don't follow your meaning there
[15:08] <maco> bsnider: we're not using the latest version with all its bug fixes
[15:08] <Aggro> maco: I will try the normal pulseaudio command now. I get back after about 30 minutes ;)
[15:08] <bsnider> maco, unless pulse 9.15 was released today, 9.14 is the latest version
[15:09] <maco> Aggro: haha alreght
[15:09] <maco> bsnider: oh i thought it'd been released already....ok, well there are 9.15 packages available in TheMuso's PPA which people are having good luck with, we're just not including it by default
[15:09] <bsnider> http://www.pulseaudio.org/
[15:09] <bsnider> 9.14
[15:10] <maco> fair nough
[15:10] <bsnider> so you're messing with the default setup and complaining that there are bugs...
[15:10] <maco> who is?
[15:10] <maco> i use 9.14, Aggro uses 9.14
[15:10] <maco> we've got default
[15:10] <bsnider> anyone that's putting luke's ppa stuff on their system
[15:10] <maco> er...you dont understand
[15:10] <maco> people use his PPA *Because* of the bugs in 9.14
[15:11] <maco> i dont have issues though...partly because if i do, i see dtchen almost every day, and he can fix them
[15:11] <apw> there is cirtainly no way you can call whats in the jaunty pocket bug free right now
[15:11] <maco> haha
[15:11] <bsnider> if people are seeing lots of showstopper bugs after having clean installed jaunty beta then i'll eat my words. if you're upgrading and seeing bugs, then you deserve them
[15:12] <apw> my classic is getting 10s of the first track i play in rhythm box, and then having to play again to get normal service
[15:12] <apw> bsnider, any why would that be?
[15:12] <apw> that is an untenable position.  if that is the truth then file a bug on the installer
[15:12] <BUGabundo> bsnider: PA on jaunty will be 9.14. not 9.15. 9.15 is available for testers on themuso PPA
[15:13] <Aggro> bsnider: pulseaudio after clean reinstall crashes after 1 minute of usage.
[15:13] <maco> BUGabundo: yeah he thinks the only people seeing bugs are ones using themuso's ppa
[15:13] <BUGabundo> ahh
[15:13] <BUGabundo> nope!
[15:13] <bsnider> BUGabundo, if you can't keep up witht he conversation, better not try to join in at all
[15:13] <Aggro> bsnider: installed 2 days ago, the beta
[15:13] <BUGabundo> sound works 200% fine on my system NOW
[15:13] <nemo> bsnider: my jaunty install is about a month old, so I guess no.
[15:13] <BUGabundo> finally
[15:13] <maco> BUGabundo: i told him that the reason people use themuso's ppa is that the default one has bugs
[15:13] <nemo> bsnider: I have done a clean jaunty install, but isn't under my control
[15:13] <BUGabundo> after almost 2 months in mute
[15:13] <maco> there are some bugs only found in 9.14, and some only found in 9.15....so having both available is a *good* thing
[15:14] <BUGabundo> maco actually themuso ppa is only for extreme ppl that need 9.15 hooks! since it modifies the kernel userspace
[15:14] <apw> i prefer to refer to pulse as rough round the edges
[15:14] <BUGabundo> for bug fixing we _had_ dtchen ppa
[15:14] <BUGabundo> but has now been ported to kernel fixes
[15:14] <bsnider> i think the people seeing bugs are the opnes who A) have unsupported hardware, which is an alsa issue, or B) have old installs they've been upgrading for years not realizing that upgrading distros without issue is a fantasy
[15:15] <bsnider> you have to clean install distro upgrades
[15:15] <maco> bsnider: its a fantasy for opensuse, not for ubuntu
[15:15] <BUGabundo> old hw with buggier drivers is on reason
[15:15] <maco> bsnider: and Aggro has repeated abou 10 times that s/he DID a clean install 2 days ago
[15:15] <bsnider> Aggro, which hardware?
[15:16] <BUGabundo> mac fta says he brings the same system since 6.06
[15:16] <BUGabundo> just by upgrading
[15:16] <maco> bsnider: though it is true that upgrading through unstable can cause problems, stable release -> stable release should not create problems
[15:16] <bsnider> that's a fantasy
[15:16] <Le-Chuck_ITA> Hello, what about the new indicator applet? By now it only seems to me a pointless icon indicating me that pidgin and evolution are running
[15:16] <Aggro> bsnider: integrated sound chip, if you tell me commands, I can give output.
[15:16] <bsnider> lspci
[15:16] <maco> BUGabundo: yes, there are a LOT of hardware / driver bugs revealed by pulseaudio
[15:16] <apw> bsnider, why we specifically support doing upgrades via update-manager
[15:16] <BUGabundo> Aggro:  lspci -vvnn
[15:16] <Le-Chuck_ITA> is it going to be improved or shall I just remove it from the panel and forget about it?
[15:17] <maco> Aggro: if its an HDA, lscpi -nv | grep -A 1 0403
[15:17] <BUGabundo> maco I know!
[15:17] <apw> Le-Chuck_ITA, i have yet to figure out what its trying to tell me either
[15:17] <bsnider> apw, that's not an argument. why does linus torvalds always clean install new distros?
[15:17] <maco> bsnider: he's anal?
[15:17] <apw> but there is talk on -devel about it which implies it going to do something
[15:17] <BUGabundo> apw loved your comment on the bug eheh
[15:17] <apw> bsnider, and "beause linus does" is one?
[15:18] <apw> nothing he does is normal.  thats part of his charm
[15:18] <BUGabundo> indicator applet used to flash for me, now only shows a green dot!
[15:18] <apw> BUGabundo, you have a green dot?
[15:18] <bsnider> no, but as long as we're arguing in an unreasonable way
[15:18] <BUGabundo> I have piddgin and gwibber on
[15:18] <BUGabundo> apw ^^
[15:18] <Aggro> bsnider: http://pastebin.com/d7bf97019
[15:18] <apw> bsnider, i don't think i am, you told me i was going to fail because i wasn't installing from scratch as an opener
[15:19] <BUGabundo> 00:06.0 Multimedia audio controller: nVidia Corporation nForce2 AC97 Audio Controler (MCP) (rev a1)
[15:19] <BUGabundo> humm got it!
[15:19] <apw> i don't believe that is a reasonable position
[15:19] <bsnider> Multimedia audio controller: nVidia Corporation nForce2 AC97 Audio Controler (MCP) (rev a1)
[15:19] <BUGabundo> its the nvidia crontroler
[15:19] <bsnider> there's your problem, sir
[15:19] <BUGabundo> wasn't that blacklisted on moduled?
[15:19] <bsnider> alsa is to blame
[15:19] <Le-Chuck_ITA> BUGabundo: when did your indicator applet flash, precisely?
[15:19] <BUGabundo> Le-Chuck_ITA: many weeks ago
[15:19] <Aggro> But it works if I restart pulseaudio manually (for 30 minutes at least, still testing)
[15:19] <BUGabundo> stopped about 2 weeks or so Le-Chuck_ITA
[15:19] <Le-Chuck_ITA> BUGabundo:  I mean under which conditions :)
[15:20] <Le-Chuck_ITA> BUGabundo: because  mine never flashes
[15:20] <BUGabundo> Le-Chuck_ITA: when I got stuff from pidgin
[15:20] <Le-Chuck_ITA> it just stays there
[15:20] <Le-Chuck_ITA> ah ok
[15:20] <apw> BUGabundo, mine is always and envelope
[15:20] <Le-Chuck_ITA> but then is it meant to replace the pidgin icon?
[15:20] <BUGabundo> Le-Chuck_ITA: operative word: it *used* to
[15:20] <BUGabundo> Le-Chuck_ITA: FUSA already did
[15:20] <bsnider> Aggro, the sound driver pulse is trying to use is a piece of garbage. it's not pulse's fault
[15:21] <BUGabundo> apw: so if the nv sound driver is blacklisted
[15:21] <apw> though that doesn't explain the large body of people who have better behaviour if they remove it
[15:21] <BUGabundo> how can Aggro un-blacklist it?
[15:21] <maco> Le-Chuck_ITA: the combination of the indicator applet and fusa replace pidgin's awful practice of keeping a non-notification in the notification area
[15:21] <apw> not that i want to remove it particularly, as it has its place in the greater scheme
[15:22] <apw> maco, why is that awful?
[15:22] <BUGabundo> apw I can keep it as long as it doesn't crash/reload 5 times a day
[15:22] <Le-Chuck_ITA> maco: looks to me like it's just a "vertical mode" notification area :)
[15:22] <BUGabundo> apw: maco like me, believe on a Clean SysTray
[15:22] <apw> and it is an indication, it tells me i have pigdin runnning
[15:22] <maco> apw: is not a notifcation! and um "the HIG says so"?
[15:22] <apw> and it tells me if i am away
[15:22] <BUGabundo> as do Mark and ASeigo
[15:22] <apw> tell me how thats _not_ a notification
[15:22] <maco> the fusa already tells you the status
[15:22] <apw> and i dissagree with them
[15:22] <Le-Chuck_ITA> Guys: I followed ALL the debates, including the rhythmbox one
[15:23] <BUGabundo> apw: FUSA says the same
[15:23] <Le-Chuck_ITA> and there is an argument which is constantly ignored: long-running applications can not be windows
[15:23] <Le-Chuck_ITA> they need a place to live in
[15:23] <maco> the primary purpose according to a bunch of users is so that they can minimize without minimizing
[15:23] <maco> which i dotn understnd
[15:23] <apw> no as it never changes when i have pending messages like the other pidgin one does
[15:23] <BUGabundo> Le-Chuck_ITA: KDE does that with plamoids
[15:23] <Aggro> Sounds worked fine in Ubuntu 8.04, did it use better version of the ... garpage?
[15:23] <Le-Chuck_ITA> maco: you don't understand it as many don't. The point is usability
[15:24] <maco> Le-Chuck_ITA: no crap
[15:24] <Le-Chuck_ITA> if I use a window frequently because I am working on it, it makes sense to keep it open
[15:24] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I can alt+tab to it
[15:24] <Le-Chuck_ITA> but if the windows is only used to start or stop background music
[15:24] <maco> i have always kept buddy lists open at all times
[15:24] <Le-Chuck_ITA> it does not make sense to keep it in the way
[15:24] <apw> and does not pidgin allow you to chose if that icon is there
[15:24] <BUGabundo> I keep my pidgin closed
[15:24] <Le-Chuck_ITA> maco:  that's not an argument
[15:24] <maco> apw: yes
[15:24] <BUGabundo> just IM windows opened on a 2nd workspace
[15:24] <apw> am pretty sure it does, and i never use the user list
[15:24] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I always keep the cube on but it's off by default
[15:24] <apw> i use the little speech bubble and am very happy
[15:24] <BUGabundo> I have low desktop screen space... 13.3" screen
[15:25] <Le-Chuck_ITA> in fact low desktop space is the obvious answer
[15:25] <Le-Chuck_ITA> and
[15:25] <maco> apw: the default is for it to not hang out in the notification area now because all the "minimizing to somewhere else"  stuff and the "new messges!" stuff are in the indicator applet
[15:25] <Le-Chuck_ITA> skipping alt+tab is the other obvious one
[15:25] <maco> apw: the status setting is in fusa. all the functionality is covered
[15:25] <BUGabundo> guys if you see a screenshot of my system
[15:25] <BUGabundo> you will see I don't have any more space on systray
[15:25] <BUGabundo> too much cluther there
[15:25] <apw> maco, dissagree, my pidgin icon has some kind of annotation when i have meessages
[15:26] <maco> Le-Chuck_ITA: ugh, i hate that! stupid kwin skips minimized windows on alt+tab. i consequently cannot get my windows back when miinimzed, PERIOD
[15:26] <apw> which does not appear on my green spot
[15:26] <Le-Chuck_ITA> maco: in fact
[15:26] <maco> apw: the indicator applet does too
[15:26] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I want alt+tab to minimized windows
[15:26] <maco> apw: you not reading!
[15:26] <apw> maco, which is the indicator applet
[15:26] <apw> this thing with an envelope?
[15:26] <maco> apw: yes
[15:26] <Le-Chuck_ITA> maco: but windows that I use only once per hour and NEED to stay alive
[15:26] <Le-Chuck_ITA> need a better place than my taskbar
[15:26] <apw> that never ever changes from an envelope perios
[15:26] <Le-Chuck_ITA> because the taskbar is for frequently used things
[15:26] <BUGabundo> apw: do you have pidgin-libnotify installed?
[15:27] <apw> always has been one and always looks the same, tells me exactly ero
[15:27] <apw> zero ...
[15:27] <BUGabundo> its need to interact with Notifications
[15:27] <maco> apw: it changes to different envelope. its greyed out when not n use and turs all colorful when there's a new message
[15:27] <BUGabundo> http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/112892/2009-03-30.png
[15:27] <BUGabundo> here is my desktop
[15:27] <bsnider> Aggro, that's a really old laptop right?
[15:27] <BUGabundo> see if is there any change I get more icons on it!
[15:27] <maco> cold fingers + broken keyboard = :(
[15:27] <apw> maco, i have never noticed any difference in it
[15:27] <Aggro> bsnider: Desktop computer
[15:28] <Aggro> bsnider: And I got older ones too
[15:28] <BUGabundo> apw: do you have pidgin-libnotify installed?
[15:28] <apw> BUGabundo, but i do have popups appearing in the new OSD
[15:28] <bsnider> Aggro, with a radeon 9200 video card? that's the dark ages
[15:28] <Aggro> That is my second best computer here ;)
[15:28] <apw> BUGabundo, seems not if its a separate package, yet i get the notification icon for it
[15:28] <apw> how does that work ...
[15:28] <vbgunz> anybody get desktop effects to work in Kubuntu with the latest nvidia 180.44 binary driver?
[15:28] <BUGabundo> grrrr
[15:28] <Le-Chuck_ITA> who said "all the functionality is covered"... did you notice the difference between FUSA and the pidgin menu?
[15:28] <BUGabundo> ask DX team
[15:28] <BUGabundo> LOL
[15:28] <apw> and i get notification popups too ... i don't understand
[15:28] <bsnider> Aggro, go out and buy a cheap creative card that's NOT an x-fi and you'll have no more problems with sound, ever
[15:29] <apw> is this thing mad?
[15:29] <BUGabundo> apw pidgin as it own libnotify lib that has been patched
[15:29] <bsnider> Aggro, don't waste your time tinkering with pulse
[15:29] <BUGabundo> but there's another package to interact wit libnotify osd
[15:29] <bsnider> pulse can't do the impossible
[15:29] <apw> BUGabundo, so why didn't it install itself
[15:29] <apw> if its needed for this mess to be sane
[15:29] <BUGabundo> it doesn't for other WM then GNOME
[15:29] <apw> i am using default gnome
[15:30] <maco> Le-Chuck_ITA: which bit is missing from fusa? the hiding stuff? thats in the indicator applet
[15:30] <BUGabundo> brb need to check AV on a liveusb jaunty
[15:30] <Le-Chuck_ITA> the extended status with all my favourite ones :)
[15:30] <maco> Le-Chuck_ITA: also, since you like the word usability: having a bunch of junk in the notification area is known to create usability problems because its too much crud to look at
[15:30] <Le-Chuck_ITA> maco: I know this
[15:31] <apw> maco, so how is it better to have an evelope instead of a speach bubble if its going to persist?
[15:31] <Le-Chuck_ITA> maco: but I argue that there are two different kinds of windows, one which needs alt+tab and one which annoys alt+tab
[15:31] <apw> how is one not a violation of the same thing the other one is?
[15:31] <Amaranth> apw: The indicator applet is for more than one thing
[15:31] <Le-Chuck_ITA> maco: the notification icon is just a folder for all the crap
[15:31] <apw> Amaranth, like what?
[15:31] <Le-Chuck_ITA> maco: sorry, I meant the indicator applet
[15:31] <maco> apw: well do you want pidgin, evolution, and gwibber showing *three* notifications in there all the time? or do you want 1 applet that handles all 3? which is more visual clutter?
[15:31] <bsnider> apw, recent studies have shown people understand envelope images
[15:32] <apw> as i only use one of them i am in the same place though
[15:32] <Le-Chuck_ITA> anyways, all have taken this issue rather personally, like if it was an "emacs vs vi thing"
[15:32] <BUGabundo> back.. so far 2 virus removed by clamav!
[15:32] <apw> bsnider, that is true i expect it to point to my email which it does not
[15:32] <Amaranth> apw: So there is no gain or loss for you
[15:32] <Le-Chuck_ITA> BUGabundo: under which system?
[15:32] <BUGabundo> apw: let me check the required pacakges
[15:32] <maco> apw: which mail client are you using?
[15:32] <BUGabundo> Le-Chuck_ITA: jaunty liveusb removing from wind xp
[15:32] <Amaranth> apw: an envelope means "a message is waiting for you"
[15:32] <maco> i know only evo has support so far...that needs to be worked on for karmic
[15:32] <apw> i just installed that libnotify for it, and restarted and i have lost my normal icon
[15:32] <bsnider> apw, envelope means message, not necessarily email
[15:33]  * BUGabundo wishes kmail used notify OSD
[15:33] <apw> Amaranth, so what is it doing on my screen when one is not waiting for me
[15:33] <Le-Chuck_ITA> BUGabundo: ok then it's normal :)
[15:33] <Amaranth> apw: It is grayed out
[15:33] <maco> apw: being not highlighted
[15:33] <maco> though if it really doesnt change: BUG
[15:33] <thewrath> hey all
[15:33] <Le-Chuck_ITA> Amaranth: the envelope is there right now
[15:33] <Amaranth> disabled icon means "no messages waiting"
[15:33] <Le-Chuck_ITA> and I have no new messages
[15:33] <maco> thewrath: dont you use arch?
[15:33] <apw> maco, its pretty dark thing to me.  one day someone will send me one
[15:33] <BUGabundo> apw: pidgin-libnotify instaled?
[15:33] <apw> and maybe i'll find out what it looks like
[15:34] <apw> BUGabundo, i have that and the behaviour you describe
[15:34] <bsnider> apw, they're just copying the OSX system
[15:34] <BUGabundo> check also pidgin -> plugins -> libnotify options
[15:34] <apw> two icons to get to two halves of one application, which is actually really bloody odd
[15:34] <apw> maco, is anyone gonna make xchat do it to?  mutt for email
[15:35] <BUGabundo> ehehehe mutt!!!!! power
[15:35] <Le-Chuck_ITA> ok guys, I now upgraded the indicator applet :)
[15:35] <Le-Chuck_ITA> let's see
[15:35] <thewrath> maco: i do not use archlinux
[15:35] <thewrath> i want to get into it
[15:35] <maco> apw: the goal is for all (probably just gui though cuz er....) apps to use the indicator applet
[15:35] <thewrath> as soon as i can
[15:35] <BUGabundo> pidgin irc is strange! I see some but not all bubles
[15:35] <BUGabundo> guess I only see *some* replies
[15:35] <BUGabundo> and PVT
[15:35] <Le-Chuck_ITA> BUGabundo: you see only those with your name?
[15:35] <apw> pidgin irc is too crap to use for real imo
[15:36] <BUGabundo> Le-Chuck_ITA: I did not see that last one yet!
[15:36] <Le-Chuck_ITA> hmm
[15:36] <Le-Chuck_ITA> then it's broken
[15:36] <BUGabundo> apw: I know... even pidgin devs say so
[15:36] <maco> i wonder if i can code good enough to patch xchat, empathy, and the othrs to use it....
[15:36] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I use it for IRC
[15:36] <Le-Chuck_ITA> always
[15:36] <BUGabundo> Le-Chuck_ITA: try a notice or PVT
[15:36] <maco> BUGabundo: maybe you only see when you get highlighted?
[15:36] <BUGabundo> I use pidgin for everything... less apps!
[15:36] <apw> the very worst feature if pidgin irc is if you close the window it unjoins you from everything
[15:36] <BUGabundo> maco both those were higlited and got nothing
[15:37] <BUGabundo> apw: you can set it to close and NOT unjoin
[15:37] <maco> BUGabundo: weird
[15:37] <apw> i never could find the option before i gave up on it.  much happier with xchat
[15:37] <BUGabundo> hey.... Le-Chuck_ITA got the PVT now
[15:37] <BUGabundo> its slowwwwwwwww
[15:37] <maco> im using pidgin+quassel because irssi falls over with ipv6 on jaunty (works fine in hardy)
[15:37] <apw> so i guess i need xchat to join the envelope game to make it any use to me
[15:37] <BUGabundo> I keep doing $ pkill notifications-osd
[15:38] <Le-Chuck_ITA> BUGabundo: you got it by libnotify?
[15:38] <BUGabundo> cause the backlog is so big
[15:38] <BUGabundo> Le-Chuck_ITA: let me purge it and we try again
[15:39] <BUGabundo> $ pkill notify-osd
[15:39] <maco> BUGabundo: the command probably works better when you spell the process name right
[15:39] <BUGabundo> Le-Chuck_ITA: now
[15:39] <maco> there ya go
[15:39] <thewrath> has anyone done stuff wtih having their own project on launchpad
[15:40] <BUGabundo> ok, it seems PVT is very low on the scale
[15:40] <BUGabundo> lol
[15:40] <BUGabundo> but #s will not use it, even for replies!
[15:40] <BUGabundo> maco: ipv6 on local lan or isp?
[15:41] <BUGabundo> I'm on ipv6(lan) and everything works
[15:41] <Le-Chuck_ITA> BUGabundo: maybe you get the bubbles only when the irc window is unfocused or hidden?
[15:41] <Le-Chuck_ITA> or both?
[15:41] <BUGabundo> no idea
[15:41] <Le-Chuck_ITA> it seems to me that they try to be smart
[15:41] <BUGabundo> I haven't got a single one from this #
[15:43] <BUGabundo> ok new bug with it
[15:43] <BUGabundo> if I already read the PVT log, no need to keep getting flooded by them
[15:44] <Le-Chuck_ITA> ?
[15:44] <BUGabundo> I already opened a bug against exaile for that same reason
[15:44] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I think it just sends you the new ones
[15:44] <Le-Chuck_ITA> ?
[15:44] <BUGabundo> Le-Chuck_ITA: I'm still getting yours ....
[15:44] <maco> BUGabundo: ipv6 tunnel over miredo
[15:44] <BUGabundo> ok mac
[15:44] <BUGabundo> *maco
[15:44] <Le-Chuck_ITA> ah good
[15:44]  * Le-Chuck_ITA is about to reboot
[15:44] <BUGabundo> brb
[15:44] <hiena> 24 days
[15:44] <BUGabundo> bug reporting
[15:44] <hiena> :D
[15:44] <maco> BUGabundo: 4/5 of the time, i get connection refused.
[15:44] <maco> if i use quassel, it works every time
[15:45]  * hiena is counting the days :P
[15:45] <maco> what's weird is i can telnet to ipv6.chat.us.freenode.net on 6667 but then irssi wont connect
[15:45] <BUGabundo> I would be glad if I could use SSL
[15:46] <hiena> maco pppoe?
[15:46] <maco> hiena: no, cable internet...
[15:46] <maco> i have no idea how to do ppp* on linux
[15:46] <maco> AFAIK it involves modems
[15:46] <hiena> pppoeconf
[15:46] <hiena> :D
[15:46] <hiena> in terminal
[15:47] <maco> and modems are the devil of dialup
[15:47] <maco> and dialup is eeeeeewwwwwww
[15:47] <hiena> maco ok mine is working just finde
[15:47] <hiena> fine
[15:47] <hiena> just put the cable ( not via usb)
[15:47] <BUGabundo> maco: NM does it pretty easy now
[15:47] <maco> (note that a "cable modem" is a misnomer. it's really a bridge. modems have to modulate between analog and digital, but with cable it's already digital)
[15:47] <hiena> and the eth0 will find the ip
[15:48] <BUGabundo> and NM 0.8 will have a new modem manager
[15:48] <maco> hiena: im online
[15:48] <maco> hiena: obviously, if im talking to you
[15:48] <hiena> lol
[15:48] <maco> im talking about an *application* bug
[15:48] <hiena> maco s whats the problem :)
[15:48] <hiena> aaaaaa
[15:48] <hiena> sorry
[15:49] <maco> over my miredo-based ipv6 connection, i can *always* reach ipv6.google.com, *always* telnet to ipv6.chat.us.freenode.net, *always* connect to ipv6 freenode wth quassel, and *rarely* connect to ipv6 freenode with irssi
[15:51] <Le-Chuck_ITA> offtopic and sorry for that: would somebody just write my name in a message? I want to see what happens when the conversation is hidden...
[15:52] <maco> woohoo! kwin stopped lying to me!
[15:52] <maco> Le-Chuck_ITA:
[15:52] <hiena> maco youre french :)
[15:53] <maco> hiena: what?
[15:53] <BUGabundo> LP is slow
[15:53] <BUGabundo> Le-Chuck_ITA: apw maco https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/notify-osd/+bug/351670
[15:53] <hiena> maco sorry i saw FR :P and after that eenode :D
[15:54] <Le-Chuck_ITA> very nice: with hidden windows, you get a notification when somebody says your name
[15:54] <Le-Chuck_ITA> now I can join this channel automatically :)
[15:54] <hiena> hey the bug for pppoe its not fixed yet allez, i need to retype my pass all the time i reboot
[15:55] <maco> hiena: heh...yeah um...i can see the White House from my window, so...pretty sure I'm not french
[15:56] <hiena> hmm maco washington was french :P
[15:56] <hggdh> pas possible ;-)
[15:56] <Le-Chuck_ITA> BUGabundo: the bug you reported is interesting: is it actually possible to revoke messages in libnotify?
[15:56] <BUGabundo> Le-Chuck_ITA: yes
[15:56] <maco> hiena: oui, L'Enfant...
[15:57] <hggdh> terrible?
[15:57] <BUGabundo> guys OT
[15:57] <BUGabundo> lol
[15:57] <hggdh> :-D
[15:57] <BUGabundo> go to #ubuntu+1fr
[15:57] <BUGabundo> :)
[15:58] <maco> BUGabundo: but i dont speak francais
[15:59] <hiena> moi aussi je ne parle pas francais
[15:59] <Laruft> why is my lcd screen (laptop) showing up as 50hz in the display prefs?  I thought it was 60hz for all lcd
[16:00] <digitaloktay> hi
[16:00] <hiena> Laruft check your resolution
[16:00] <Le-Chuck_ITA> Laruft: because it's more or less random it seems
[16:00] <Le-Chuck_ITA> on LCDs I always saw strange or "impossible" refresh rates but I may be wrong
[16:00] <hiena> if its too big for ya screen
[16:01] <Laruft> system settings0>display   1920x1200 refresh 50hz  or i can choose 51hz woot
[16:01] <digitaloktay> when i want to print anything in openoffice.org, it is printing good, but when i am print in firefox, the printer shows me PK Laden Letter, Printer: HP Laserjet 4
[16:01] <bluefoxicy> so wait
[16:02] <bluefoxicy> after all this talk about how a C compiler is a horrible, horrible security hole and should never be shipped
[16:02] <bluefoxicy> while shipping python (which mind you I've used to write exploits and launch attacks at daemons with simple buffer overflows)
[16:02] <hiena> Laruft try changing it to 1600
[16:02] <bluefoxicy> ....Ubuntu now ships with a start-up service that requires gcc?
[16:03] <Laruft> ok changing to 1600x1024 without pressing OK, gives me auto/55hz
[16:03] <BUGabundo> Le-Chuck_ITA: LCDs are not affected by vertical screen refresh rate
[16:03] <maco> bluefoxicy: what startup service is that?
[16:03] <bluefoxicy> maco:  DKMS
[16:04] <bluefoxicy> it compiles kernel modules on boot
[16:04] <maco> ah
[16:04] <Le-Chuck_ITA> BUGabundo: I know so I always tought the reported values were fake?
[16:04] <Laruft> ah 1280x1024 is 60hz
[16:04] <hiena> Laruft its not the ubuntu its the monitor
[16:04] <maco> right so people who use stupid unfoss modules can.../me shuts up
[16:04] <hiena> see spec of the monitor
[16:04] <Laruft> yeah, I was expecting to see 60hz thats all
[16:04] <bluefoxicy> maco:  virtualbox uses it too
[16:05] <joejc> whats the notification thing called?
[16:05] <maco> bluefoxicy: kvm ftw?
[16:05] <maco> joejc: notify-osd
[16:05] <Aggro> maco: FYI, Plain pulseaudio also crashed after some time.
[16:05] <bluefoxicy> maco:  no, kvm is dog shit.
[16:05] <joejc> thanks
[16:05]  * bluefoxicy wanders off to shower
[16:05] <maco> Aggro: bleh. ok. can you do "ulimit -c unlimited" so it'll spit out a core dump?
[16:06] <Laruft> bluefoxicy whats better than kvm ?
[16:06] <maco> Laruft: "thngs with guis"?
[16:06] <maco> kvm is tough the first 5 times even if you know how to use the cli
[16:06] <Aggro> maco: I will try that
[16:06]  * bluefoxicy used to use qemu
[16:07] <bluefoxicy> kvm simply doesn't work right.
[16:07] <Laruft> kvm has gui, i found it easy to set up
[16:07] <Laruft> installed very quickly..
[16:07] <bluefoxicy> it requires some hardware facilities too, so if you don't have that you're screwed.
[16:07] <Laruft> xen is apparenly the best, but a beast to set up
[16:08] <bluefoxicy> the ideal situation would be for Xen to be easy to set up, have a VMware-Server-like GUI to control it, and to have hardware facilities to run non-Xen guests
[16:09] <bluefoxicy> mostly because Xen actually works; and VMware-Server is not free; and KVM is too useless and buggy and crashy; and KQemu is not free; and VirtualBox doesn't have the greatest network and doesn't ship USB pass-through like in its full non-free version
[16:09] <tomsdale> didn't I read here that Kubuntu jaunty now has a more native style for Firefox? I can't switch back to "use KDE style in my GTK Applications"
[16:11] <DoYouKnow> hi. Anyone know of a workaround for a permission denied error when installing wubi on vista sp1?
[16:11] <DoYouKnow> I was running as admin
[16:11] <BUGabundo> DoYouKnow: there is no known prob
[16:11] <BUGabundo> I have installed many desktops with it
[16:11] <BUGabundo> and work
[16:12] <BUGabundo> but try RunAs
[16:12] <Incarus> lol, jaunty beta didnt want me to boot up
[16:13] <tomsdale> my firefox in KDE still looks horrible with bold fonts and ugly boxes.
[16:13] <Incarus> the filesystem check fsck did fail
[16:13] <Incarus> tomsdale, you can use opera
[16:14] <DoYouKnow> I don't have a password set on administrator
[16:14] <DoYouKnow> hmmm
[16:14] <DoYouKnow> guess this will take some time
[16:14] <tomsdale> Incarus: that would be my last ressort option as a webdeveloper,  need my plugs
[16:15] <Incarus> tomsdale, doesnt the plugins work in in opera?
[16:15] <Le-Chuck_ITA> guys is the daily release only "alternate"? If so is there a page with the latest release testing iso e.g. beta?
[16:15] <maco> gah! anyone else notice that if you have a contact in your buddy list that has 2 accounts (like, a nested contact) and they sign on, you get "*USER* is online is online"
[16:16] <tomsdale> Incarus: I don't think so, let me try
[16:16] <Incarus> maco, which orgram?
[16:16] <Incarus> tomsdale, k
[16:16] <hggdh> maco, what programme?
[16:16] <Incarus> yes
[16:16] <maco> pidgin
[16:16] <Incarus> my mistake
[16:16] <hggdh> hum. Let me try it
[16:17] <hggdh> nah, the only double entry I have is online on one account, and offline on the other, cannot test it
[16:19] <tomsdale> Incarus: nop - just tried to install firebug and seems to be a no go.
[16:20] <tomsdale> people on kubuntu - are you using themes to make your firefox look nicer or what happened to the qt4 integration of GTK applications.
[16:21] <Incarus> tomsdale, k
[16:21] <maco> tomsdale: the qt4-for-gtk thing looks horrendous. the tabs get all misaligned and bleh.  i just have my gtk apps set to use clearlooks or something native to them
[16:23] <tomsdale> maco: Is there a GTK tool to do that or do you use the GTK Settings under Apearance in the KDE Control Center.
[16:23] <maco> tomsdale: the latter
[16:24] <tomsdale> k, let me play around with it a bit more.
[16:24] <tomsdale> It doesn't seem to retain it's setting.
[16:25] <noumaan> Hi
[16:26] <noumaan> I tried Jaunty but it seems like it did not install grub during installation
[16:26] <noumaan> I am using the LIVE cd now and would like to know how I can install grub manually?
[16:27] <Incarus> noumaan, install intrepid and make a dist upgrae with "update-manager -d", or wait for the jaunty final release
[16:27] <clearscreen> noumaan: by any chance, do you have s-ata and IDE disks in your pc?
[16:27] <noumaan> clearscreen I dont know
[16:27] <BUGabundo> noumaan: mount the disk where you want grub
[16:27] <BUGabundo> chroot insisde it
[16:27] <noumaan> BUGabundo:  I have mounted the disk
[16:27] <BUGabundo> then run grub-install
[16:28] <noumaan> ok
[16:28] <BUGabundo> there are thoughans HowTos on Google about it
[16:28] <BUGabundo> if you need step by step commands
[16:28] <Incarus> ?, why <<April 23rd, 2009>> and not 09.04.?
[16:28] <Incarus> the jaunty release, i mean
[16:28] <BUGabundo> ahhh??
[16:29] <maco> Incarus: what?
[16:29] <Incarus> !jaunty
[16:29] <BUGabundo> ubuntu 9.04, aka jaunty jackalope will be released on 23 of april
[16:29] <maco> Incarus: thats what 9.04 means...2009.04
[16:29] <Incarus> oh
[16:29] <BUGabundo> as did 8.04, 8.10
[16:29] <Incarus> k
[16:29] <FFEMTcJ> I'm trying to install beta and I recieved a ton of logical errors.. Any idea what to do to fix that?
[16:29] <BUGabundo> and will be for 9.10, october of 2009
[16:30] <BUGabundo> FFEMTcJ: bad medium
[16:30] <Incarus> k
[16:30] <BUGabundo> check md5 of image and of the burned cd
[16:30] <FFEMTcJ> BUGabundo: holy crap.. are you serious? this is my freaking 5th burn tryin to get it workin
[16:30] <FFEMTcJ> :-(
[16:31] <BUGabundo> FFEMTcJ: please check md5 of the iso
[16:31] <virtuald> the boot splash didn't show for me on boot, is this a known issue?
[16:31] <BUGabundo> maybe that what's bad
[16:31] <BUGabundo> or your burner, or even a bug on software
[16:31] <BUGabundo> do you have an usb stick?
[16:31] <BUGabundo> those are much less prone to copy errors
[16:32] <noumaan> BUGabundo:  I cant do it properly I should google but all search results show how to recover grub after installing windows cant find a page with instructions to install grub after installing jaunty
[16:32] <BUGabundo> noumaan: how many OSs do you have on the boot?
[16:32] <BUGabundo> only jaunty?
[16:33] <BUGabundo> or wind too?
[16:33] <frybye> Aggro - you still around??
[16:33] <noumaan> BUGabundo: Windows
[16:33] <noumaan> and thats all
[16:33] <BUGabundo> wait
[16:33] <BUGabundo> you have only wind?
[16:33] <BUGabundo> or both wind and jaunty?
[16:33] <noumaan> no now i have jaunty too
[16:34] <BUGabundo> ah ok
[16:34] <noumaan> yeah
[16:34] <BUGabundo> so if the disk is mounted
[16:34] <BUGabundo> chroot inside it
[16:34] <noumaan> chroot /media/disk
[16:34] <noumaan> did that
[16:34] <BUGabundo> $ sudo chroot /mnt/DISKNAME
[16:34] <BUGabundo> ok
[16:34] <frybye> I basically fixed my vexing sound problem in Jaunty... by taking out the creative audigy-se sound card and using the el-cheapo onbord sound which works fine...
[16:34] <BUGabundo> so now you should  be inside the disk
[16:34] <BUGabundo> correct?
[16:34] <noumaan> yes
[16:35] <BUGabundo> $ grub-install
[16:35] <BUGabundo> $ grub-install /dev/sdaX
[16:35] <BUGabundo> or X is the disk to boot
[16:35] <BUGabundo> and have /boot
[16:36] <FFEMTcJ> md5sum is correct
[16:36] <FFEMTcJ> uggh
[16:36] <BUGabundo> FFEMTcJ: do you have time?
[16:36] <pestilence> who do i yell at for ruining amarok?
[16:36] <FFEMTcJ> ya
[16:36] <BUGabundo> if so mount the iso as loop
[16:36] <maco> FFEMTcJ: hows your cd drive? got an external one you can tr?
[16:36] <FFEMTcJ> maco: thats what i was gonna do
[16:36] <BUGabundo> then re-rerun md5sum inside the mount point to check against the exisitng md5sum
[16:37] <BUGabundo> FFEMTcJ: or usbstick!
[16:37] <BUGabundo> I rather use those
[16:37] <frybye> pestilence: just write your question - if anybody can help they will,.,
[16:37] <clearscreen> FFEMTcJ: Probably not what you want to hear, but I'd recommend to just install intrepid, change your sources.list to jaunty, and dist-upgrade
[16:37] <maco> BUGabundo: IME, USB sticks dont boot
[16:37] <FFEMTcJ> clearscreen: im wanting to get ext4
[16:37] <BUGabundo> clearscreen: that's BAD adcive
[16:37] <BluesKaj> frybye , you could have chosen your default soundcard with the comand ,  : asoundconf set-default-card "name of soundcard"
[16:37] <BUGabundo> NEVER change sources
[16:37] <BUGabundo> use update-manager -d
[16:37] <pestilence> ok...is there any way to import settings from amarok v1 to amarok v2?  as it is, if you upgrade from intrepid to jaunty, you lose ALL of your settings from amarok, which is a major bug IMO
[16:38] <timo1> FFEMTcJ: you going to have to reinstall from live cd mate
[16:38] <maco> FFEMTcJ: not fond of your data, eh?
[16:38] <BUGabundo> maco my 8GiBs kingston boots from just about any PC I touch
[16:38] <clearscreen> BUGabundo: only bad advice for a novice
[16:38] <frybye> Blue it had detected the card ok but just could not work with it... there was NO sound system running.,..,,.
[16:38] <maco> BUGabundo: ive tried both my usb drives, neither will boot
[16:38] <BUGabundo> clearscreen: always bad advice
[16:38] <pestilence> to the point where i don't think it is very nice to call (amarok 2) "amarok"
[16:38] <BUGabundo> UM does more then simple upgrading
[16:38] <FFEMTcJ> maco: /home ext3 / ext4
[16:38] <clearscreen> BUGabundo: I strongly disagree
[16:38] <BluesKaj> pestilence , nope 1.x and 2 are totally different animals
[16:38] <frybye> other folks have similar probs with that particullar s-card...
[16:38] <BUGabundo> maco dd them or use k/gparted to make new partitins
[16:38] <bullgard4> http://packages.ubuntu.com/jaunty/sagemath does not mention libsage2. Why is that so?
[16:39] <BUGabundo> seems that some have windows partition bug
[16:39] <pestilence> it should be called "amarok2", packaged as such, and clearly warn users that the programs are entirely different
[16:39] <maco> FFEMTcJ: the mini iso may work better. one of my laptops has a bad optical drive but can read far enough for the mini (only 11mb)
[16:39] <BUGabundo> and usb-creator will fail to work
[16:39] <BUGabundo> until newer syslinux is used
[16:39] <maco> BUGabundo: yeah, i repartitioned with fat32 and fat16, and nothing helps
[16:39] <FFEMTcJ> maco: im kinda thinkin thats what it is.. didnt have a problem on my desktop.. only lappy
[16:39] <pestilence> BluesKaj: yes, i can see that.
[16:39] <BUGabundo> clearscreen: feel free to disagree
[16:39] <maco> !mini | FFEMTcJ
[16:39] <BluesKaj> frybye , I'm using a similar card on my pc without probs , after finding the proper name of the card and using the command
[16:39] <BUGabundo> but refer to colin email
[16:40] <frybye> BluesKaj: the prob is gone - but with the other card being installed and the on-board de-activated there was NOthing in the system|preferences|sound at all,,,
[16:40] <pestilence> well, whenever jaunty releases, you are going to have hordes of pissed off amarok users
[16:40] <pestilence> just warning you guys.
[16:40] <Le-Chuck_ITA> is there a way to make pidgin auto-join a channel, but start with its window hidden?
[16:41] <BluesKaj> frybye, remount the pci card , I'm sure it's better then , lspci | grep audio ..copy and paste the name of the card you want to use and then , asoundconf set-default-card "name of soundcard"
[16:41] <frybye> BluesKaj: that is interesting - but I honestly cant be botherd with it now that I have the onboard working...
[16:42] <BUGabundo> maco really strange then
[16:42] <BUGabundo> but do they never work on any pc
[16:42] <BUGabundo> or is your pc that fails to boot from ANY usb?
[16:43] <frybye>  when i get to it I will give it a try... thanks for the info..
[16:44] <frybye> for the moment I am just so happy to have sound working at all after fighting with the prob for 3 days or so...
[16:46] <FFEMTcJ> hmm.. i just got a line that says initramfs
[16:46] <FFEMTcJ> something about busybox
[16:46] <XiXaQ> I'm running jaunty beta, and it's fairly stable. I'd like to keep it as stable as possible. Should I install updates as they are made available, or should I wait until it reaches rc?
[16:46] <davidt> Jaunty doesn't automatically notify me of updates, for some reason. I must go and check for updates by hadn each time.
[16:46] <XiXaQ> davidt: that's by design.
[16:46] <BluesKaj> pestilence , if you're interested in retaining amarok 1.4 or 14 as it's known now , check this out: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1084971&page=4
[16:47] <davidt> XiXaQ: oh?
[16:47] <FFEMTcJ> any ideas?
[16:47] <davidt> XiXaQ: Isn't that a degradation?
[16:47] <XiXaQ> davidt: yes, and it's a bit controversial.
[16:47] <BluesKaj> frybye , I understand completely ...went thru a similar thing a while ago myself :)
[16:47] <pestilence> BluesKaj: ok...that's probably what i'll end up doing.  but it's not a very nice solution
[16:47] <davidt> XiXaQ: Will it stay that way in the release?
[16:48] <BUGabundo> davidt: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-notifier/+bug/332945
[16:48] <BluesKaj> amarok 1.4 is stable it works well and I prefer it ...it's nice to have
[16:48] <FFEMTcJ> BUGabundo: is there anything that I can do from the initramfs line?
[16:48] <frybye>  Hi BluesKaj you have convinced me - I am going to give it a try...
[16:49] <BUGabundo> FFEMTcJ: don't know
[16:49] <FFEMTcJ> lol
[16:49]  * BluesKaj belongs to the "if it ain't broke , don't fix it " school :)
[16:49] <Laruft> where do i segfault logs to?
[16:50] <FFEMTcJ> i dunno why it booted to that
[16:50] <davidt> wow, that sucks a lot
[16:50] <Laruft> I mean how best do I report errors and such like in jaunty beta?
[16:50] <davidt> And just when I've been thinking of moving to Ubuntu at 9.04.
[16:52] <bullgard4> http://packages.ubuntu.com/jaunty/sagemath does not mention libsage2. Why is that so?
[16:52] <pestilence> BluesKaj: i'm pretty sure that most kubuntu/amarok users feel the same way
[16:53] <BUGabundo> Laruft: crashes go to /var/crash
[16:53] <BUGabundo> best way to report a bug is using apport
[16:53] <BluesKaj> pestilence , i don't understand the complete redesign ...catering to windows users perhaps ?
[16:54] <BUGabundo> Laruft: see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs
[16:54] <BUGabundo>  !bugs
[16:54] <BUGabundo>  !apport
[16:55] <pestilence> BluesKaj: i have no idea.  and honestly that isn't what bothers me...what bothers me is that they don't import amarok 1.4 settings
[16:56] <BluesKaj> yeah that's a pi88off , pestilence
[16:58] <FFEMTcJ> tryin usb but it wont mount.. uggh
[17:03] <Laruft> someone remind me please.. where do quassel chat logs go?
[17:03] <Laruft> I'm going to reformat and install  jaunty beta fresh
[17:04] <FFEMTcJ> finally! installing from usb
[17:05] <maco> Laruft: quassel is in ~/.config/quassel but i cant make heads or tails of what is/isn't in there
[17:05] <BUGabundo> FFEMTcJ: woot \0/
[17:06] <Laruft> oh there is a sql database,
[17:12] <Laruft> Ok, so i'm configuring my desktop... and I love KDE.   I'm configuring windows behaviour->desktop effects->screen edges.   There is no way to set a time/delay for the action.   I find I sometimes activate by accident
[17:14] <frybye> BluesKaj: that soloution you reccomended worked for a couple of mins - was a bit too lound - and then broke and I cant get it to work again??
[17:14] <frybye> do I need to do something with the asoundconfig set-default-card PARAMETERS ??
[17:15] <frybye> when I do asoundconfig list I get two entries - one is the card name - and the other??
[17:15] <DanaG> The two items are the TWO cards you apparently have.
[17:15] <frybye> DanaG: the other one is de-activiated in the bios??
[17:15] <aurel42> On my desktop system with two monitors, the compiz window manager often dies when moving the mouse pointer from one monitor to another. A dialog pops up telling me the display isn't "composited". Mwaha.
[17:16] <frybye> and I seem to be back where I started with no system|preferences|sound that functions at all and no loudspeaker icon on the top right taskbar?
[17:17] <DanaG> hmm, seems like Linux will find the device anyway.'
[17:17] <DanaG> What are the two devices?
[17:17] <DanaG> One option: blacklist the driver for the onboard.
[17:17] <frybye> right - but when I set-default-card - that no longer works??
[17:17] <frybye> ok how do I do that...
[17:17] <frybye> ??
[17:18] <Xisdibik> Does anyone know a program in the repos to remote desktop to a windows machine in Ubuntu?
[17:19] <DanaG> hmm, what is the sound card that you want to disable?
[17:19] <frybye> the second entry from the list is U0x4d0x8ad - is that a name of a sound card??
[17:20] <frybye> I supose that IS the onboard card name??
[17:20] <frybye> how to blacklist it??
[17:21] <BUGabundo> Xisdibik: there are several
[17:21] <BUGabundo> just search for RDP
[17:21] <BUGabundo> some work better then others
[17:21] <Xisdibik> BUGabundo: thanks
[17:22] <DanaG> hmm, try lsmod | grep snd_
[17:22] <DanaG> and pastebinit.
[17:22] <DanaG> What's the other card?
[17:22] <frybye> hang on...
[17:23] <frybye> give me a min to shift to the pc with the problem so i dont have to back and forth...
[17:26] <frybye> re: DanaG what was that command again to past??
[17:26] <frybye> on other pc now...
[17:26] <DanaG> hmm, try lsmod | grep snd
[17:26] <DanaG> did ctrl-arrow in pidgin to bring up past chat.  =þ
[17:26] <DanaG> Also, what is the name of the one you do want to keep?
[17:27] <BUGabundo> maco: Bug 277903
[17:27] <BUGabundo> see if you are one of those affected by the BIOS bug
[17:27] <frybye> here.... http://paste.ubuntu.com/140824/
[17:27] <frybye> CA0106 is the one to keep...
[17:28] <DanaG> ah, cool.
[17:28] <maco> ubottu: yeah that's what it says
[17:28] <maco> er
[17:28] <maco> wow i cant believe i did that
[17:28] <maco> OH i didnt hit the b but i hit u then tab
[17:28] <DanaG> Odd, looks like there's a USB sound card there.
[17:28] <frybye> DanaG: what next??
[17:28] <maco> BUGabundo: yeah, thats the message i get
[17:29] <DanaG> Hmm, is the onboard sound card a USB device?
[17:29] <frybye> the stuff about a usb sound device is a logitech usb webcam with a microphone in it.. for input I need it of course..
[17:29] <DanaG> ah.
[17:29] <BUGabundo> maco see if you are one of those affected by the BIOS bug
[17:29] <Xisdibik> BUGabundo: Do you know if any of those support connecting to a 2003/2008 Server Windows Machine,  they all say NT/2000 (has it just not been updated to say better or can it not do those?)
[17:29] <DanaG> So, perhaps the onboard really is disabled.
[17:29] <Xisdibik> if you know
[17:30] <DanaG> Looks like the CA0106 is an SBLive, or such, and the USB is the webcam.
[17:30] <frybye> DanaG: seems that way..
[17:30] <frybye> yep...
[17:30] <BUGabundo> Xisdibik: yes I use them
[17:30] <DanaG> oh yeah, new package in jaunty:
[17:30] <DanaG> !info gnome-volume-control-pulse
[17:30] <frybye> but the ca0106 support keeps fallying over..
[17:30] <BUGabundo> Xisdibik: tsclient
[17:31] <DanaG> One issue I've had with Jaunty: PulseAudio server randomly aborting.
[17:31] <frybye> when I try and add volume control to the panel up there nothing happens...
[17:31] <DanaG> That package has an alternate volume control app that sits in the notification-area.
[17:31] <DanaG> "oh n0es, it's not a notification!"
[17:31] <frybye> should i try and start with    pulseaudio
[17:31] <Xisdibik> BUGabundo: have you tried out rdesktop by any chance?
[17:32] <DanaG> First, check if PA is running.  ps x | grep pulse
[17:33] <frybye> http://paste.ubuntu.com/140829/
[17:33] <Xisdibik> BUGabundo: nvm ;)
[17:33] <DanaG> Looks like PA is running.  What was the original issue?  Lack of sound?
[17:34] <maco> BUGabundo: thanks
[17:34] <DanaG> I've had an issue where my onboard sound card doesn't give audio unless I mute and unmute the sound card in pavucontrol.
[17:34] <solarion_> anyone else having trouble with printing, namely the letters coming out in inverse video?
[17:35] <frybye> yeah with this s-card.. sbdy else told me to run the asoundconf set-default-card CA0106 which worked for a few mins and then broke again and not able to repeat...
[17:35] <frybye> whats pavucontrol???
[17:35] <frybye> is that a command for the console??
[17:35] <DanaG> pulseaudio volume control/
[17:36] <knitt1> is it normal that Xorg process chews my cpu?
[17:36] <DanaG> Yeah, try it in console, so it can tell you if it's not installed.
[17:36] <frybye> and I can start it with pavucontrol in the console...
[17:36] <frybye> muted...
[17:36] <frybye> and apparently not 5.1
[17:37] <bullgard4> http://packages.ubuntu.com/jaunty/sagemath does not mention libsage2. Why is that so?
[17:37] <knitt1> this looks pretty strange to me … why are all processes having so much cpu-%? http://paste2.org/p/174345
[17:37] <BUGabundo> Xisdibik: I've tried them all. even closed source TeamViewer over wine
[17:37] <BUGabundo> maco you are welcome
[17:39] <frybye> DanaG: not able to get rid of the muted red crosses in there and dosent seem to change anything...?
[17:39] <frybye> ah ha - hang on alsamixer did it once.. just a min...
[17:40] <Oli``> What ever happened to the compiz video plugin?
[17:40] <DanaG> handy way to make alsamixer use the ALSA volume itself:
[17:40] <nanomad> knitt1: i guess you are playing music while using X11?
[17:40] <DanaG> alsamixer -c0
[17:40] <DanaG> or -c1
[17:40] <knitt1> nanomad: since when is that a problem?
[17:40] <frybye> alsamixer -c0
[17:41] <nanomad> knitt1: dunno, you said that was a strance %cpu
[17:41] <frybye> hmmm.. just a min...
[17:41] <knitt1> nanomad: yes, it is.
[17:41] <Xisdibik> BUGabundo: How about a program to for Active Directories? ;)
[17:41] <BUGabundo> eheh
[17:41] <Xisdibik> BUGabundo: my boss is asking me to ask you ;)
[17:41] <BUGabundo> Xisdibik: thers one from samba guys
[17:41] <DanaG> !info likewise_open
[17:41] <frybye> there is no entry for surround???
[17:41] <DanaG> !info likewise_open5
[17:41] <BUGabundo> trying to pull the name...
[17:41] <BUGabundo> that's ti
[17:41] <BUGabundo> likewise
[17:42] <Xisdibik> :)
[17:42] <DanaG> !info likewise
[17:42] <BUGabundo> it will allow you to login into a domain
[17:42] <Xisdibik> thanks!
[17:42]  * DanaG gives up
[17:42] <frybye> and the iec958 just shows green-white 00
[17:42] <DanaG> =þ
[17:42] <BUGabundo> I used it on hardy
[17:42] <josh-l> hi all
[17:42] <DanaG> m to mute and unmute.
[17:42] <Xisdibik> so. likewise,  which doesnt exist in Jaunty ;)
[17:42] <frybye> i can understand that...
[17:42] <DanaG> No, I'm just not getting the package name correct.
[17:42] <nanomad> knitt1: i cant see how, playing an audio file with 4% cpu usage isnt strange
[17:42] <Xisdibik> haha k
[17:42] <Xisdibik> thanks ill go tell my boss
[17:42] <Xisdibik> brb
[17:42] <BUGabundo> Xisdibik: it exists on both versions
[17:42] <BUGabundo> 4 and 5
[17:42] <DanaG> !info likewise-open
[17:42] <DanaG> ah.
[17:42] <DanaG> search package manager for 'likewise'; there are a few more there.
[17:43] <BUGabundo> koala will have 5
[17:43] <BUGabundo> but since the port is not easy
[17:43] <BUGabundo> jaunty has both
[17:43] <josh-l> hi folks, can anyone help me figure out how to get the gimpi toolbar to appear in the kde panel?
[17:43] <nanomad> josh-l: do you mean gimp?
[17:44] <josh-l> nanomad: yeah typo
[17:44] <DanaG> !info likewise-open5
[17:44] <nanomad> josh-l: what do you want to do exactly?
[17:44] <DanaG> My issue was dash versus underscore.  =þ
[17:44] <knitt1> nanomad: i don't understand you. i think it's quite strange every process in this list has over 1%, and Xorg 8% (while doing nothing special). one core is 100% in use all the time
[17:44]  * BUGabundo offers DanaG a cupcake
[17:44] <josh-l> nanomad: I want the gimp toolbox to show up in the taskmanager on the kde panel
[17:45] <nanomad> knitt1: ah, ok, i see
[17:45] <nanomad> knitt1: didn't see that 1% everywhere
[17:45] <BUGabundo> Xisdibik: but I advise you to read the huge documentation
[17:45] <BUGabundo> its easy to use
[17:45] <knitt1> nanomad: i told you so ;)
[17:45] <BUGabundo> but there are some tiny bits that are easy to escape
[17:45] <tkamppeter> I have upgraded from Intrepid to Jaunty and cannot access the wired network any more. NM says "device not managed" on the wired network. What do I have to correct in the NM configuration?
[17:46] <nanomad> knitt1: yep :(
[17:46] <DanaG> Mmm, sugar.
[17:46] <td123> what's that one site were I can post my beta install notes? did this pass, if not, what bugs did you encounter.. etc.
[17:46] <knitt1> also trackerd is actually eating a lot of cpu-time
[17:46] <nanomad> knitt1: is this issue recent?
[17:46] <knitt1> ya, since upgrade to jaunty
[17:46] <nanomad> josh-l: sorry, cant help you...
[17:47] <knitt1> in gnome-system-monitor i can see a process without a name, which pid is incrementing all the time
[17:47] <Xisdibik> BUGabundo: its for my boss not me,  im just the lacky ;)
[17:47] <knitt1> actually, new processes getting started all the time, and the old one exits (the only way to explain the pid thing)
[17:47] <Xisdibik> BUGabundo: (my boss is testing out Ubuntu on her private desktop at the office, ive been using ubuntu a little longer so shes having me find stuff out for her :P
[17:48] <Xisdibik> BUGabundo: she says that Evolution Mail doesnt work with 2007 Exchange Server,  is there a mail client that does work with 2007?
[17:48] <knitt1> nanomad: memory of this process is N/A … seems to be the issue
[17:48] <nanomad> knitt1: what do you have in your startup application list?
[17:48] <nanomad> knitt1: also a copy paste of ps aux would be helpful
[17:50] <knitt1> nanomad: additional to the normal apps or the whole list?
[17:50] <knitt1> nanomad: ps aux -> http://paste2.org/p/174349
[17:50] <pace_t_zulu> how can we get a higher resolution AIM icon into Pidgin for notifications?
[17:51] <nanomad> knitt1: sorry, i have been disconnected
[17:51] <knitt1> [18:50] <knitt1> nanomad: ps aux -> http://paste2.org/p/174349
[17:52] <BUGabundo> Xisdibik: evo does work, but needs a new plugin, that is somewhat unstable!
[17:52] <Xisdibik> BUGabundo: any others more stable, or is that what i should suggest her until its updated to work with it?
[17:53] <Xisdibik> BUGabundo: also can u point me to a link to the plugin, or is it in the repos?
[17:53] <BUGabundo> Xisdibik: if you enable IMAP(s) on Exchange ANY email client will work!
[17:53] <BUGabundo> Xisdibik: don't use it, so I just know what I read on ML, and planet
[17:53] <BUGabundo> I think its called MAPI
[17:54] <hggdh> Xisdibik, the plugin is called pst-import, and should be available shortly
[17:54] <nanomad> knitt1: can you give me the output of ps aux --sort %cpu
[17:54] <Xisdibik> BUGabundo: hehe gotcha!  and thanks hggdh
[17:55] <hggdh> in fact, I am (almost) ready to upload a Jaunty Evo with the plugin to my PPA
[17:55] <nanomad> knitt1: actually, there is bug in gnome-system-monitor, so close it before running ps
[17:56] <td123> hggdh: wait, so evolution works with exchange server 2007?
[17:56] <hggdh> Xisdibik, oops... you were talking about Exchange server... this will be evolution-mapi, already available from the repositories
[17:56] <hggdh> td123, with MAPI, yes
[17:56] <knitt1> nanomad: there is a bug in system-monitor? lol
[17:56] <tkamppeter> I have upgraded from Intrepid to Jaunty and cannot access the wired network any more. NM says "device not managed" on the wired network. What do I have to correct in the NM configuration?
[17:56] <nanomad> knitt1: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-system-monitor/+bug/187383
[17:57] <nanomad> knitt1: dunno if it was fixed in jaunty
[17:57] <nanomad> knitt1: seems not though
[17:57] <knitt1> http://paste2.org/p/174350
[17:59] <knitt1> nanomad: maybe mention: my cpu is not slow. it's a c2d @ 2.5ghz
[17:59] <nanomad> knitt1: ok, gnome-system-monitor just makes one cpu go 100%
[17:59] <nanomad> knitt1: doesn't matter which one
[18:00] <nanomad> knitt1: you got a real high %cpu usage on Xorg
[18:00] <nanomad> knitt1: what video card do you have?
[18:00] <knitt1> that's what i say all the time :D
[18:00] <knitt1> nvidia …
[18:01] <nanomad> knitt1: model?
[18:01] <knitt1> quadro fx 360M
[18:01] <knitt1> laptop
[18:01] <nanomad> knitt1: can you disable desktop effects and re-run ps aux --sort %cpu
[18:01] <nanomad> ?
[18:02] <nanomad> knitt1: are u watching a video? I see vlc open ;)
[18:02] <knitt1> output is going to be the same
[18:02] <knitt1> i don't have desktop effects enabled. and it's the same without vlc
[18:02] <nanomad> knitt1: ok, so whats the output of xdriinfo so?
[18:02] <knitt1> libGL is too old.
[18:02] <knitt1> oO
[18:03] <nanomad> mhh
[18:03] <knitt1> i'm using newer nvidia drivers, possible reason?
[18:03] <knitt1> i had sleep problems with the older ones
[18:03] <frybye> BUGabundo: crazy - the moment I physically remove the creative audigy-se card - and activate the onboard - all the strange sound-system problems are gone in a second - jsut the quality is a bit less with on-board of course..
[18:03] <nanomad> knitt1: maybe
[18:03] <nanomad> knitt1: whats the output of glxinfo?
[18:03] <frybye> compared to when the audigy-se worked properly in intrepid that is...
[18:04] <BUGabundo> frybye: great
[18:04] <BUGabundo> another driver prob exposed by pulseaudio
[18:04] <knitt1> the whole output?
[18:04] <nanomad> knitt1: yes, paste it somewhere else ;9
[18:04] <knitt1> but i can try disable the newer nvidia drivers and watch cpu usage
[18:04] <frybye> If I was knowledgable enough I would file a decent bug report - but honestly that is beyond me - I have made a hickhack attempt at a report - it will have to stay with that I guess...
[18:05] <nanomad> knitt1: what do you mean by newer drivers? Are they in the repositories? (dont have an nvidia)
[18:05] <knitt1> no, from nvidia homepage (180.41)
[18:05] <frybye> BUGabundo: well - that is putting the thing in a good light I guess...
[18:05] <knitt1> http://paste2.org/p/174357 hf ;)
[18:05] <bullgard4> http://packages.ubuntu.com/jaunty/sagemath does not mention libsage2. Why is that so?
[18:05] <BUGabundo> gym time ppl! see you tomorrow
[18:06] <nanomad> knitt1: drivers seems to be correctly installed, you might want to try with ubuntu stock ones
[18:06] <frybye> the other way of looking at is would be to say - another driver problem/challenge created by pulseaudio... ;=)
[18:06] <nanomad> knitt1: did you update from 8.10?
[18:06] <frybye> bye BUG
[18:07] <knitt1> i did upgrade from 8.10 … please don't tell me i have to reinstall
[18:08] <nanomad> knitt1: I'm just trying to find out whats wrong. You can try to install ubuntu stock drivers and see if that corrects the problem
[18:08] <knitt1> will do that. and i know your wanting to help me ;) i was trying being funny
[18:08] <knitt1> ^^
[18:09] <nanomad> knitt1: sometimes reinstalling is the only way to rule-out upgrade issues. Jaunty is still a beta ;)
[18:09] <knitt1> after all i'm using beta software
[18:09] <knitt1> right :D
[18:09] <nanomad> knitt1: also, see this bug report: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/309776
[18:10] <knitt1> switching to VT doesn't change things here, but otherwise it looks like a similar problem
[18:11] <nanomad> knitt1: before you start reinstalling the drivers, try what Alberto Milone said (#15)
[18:11] <knitt1> k
[18:17] <phoenixz> What package do I need to have installed to have the new wifi plasma widget in kubuntu 9.04?
[18:18] <nanomad> phoenixz: plasma-widget-wifi? (not using kde4 here)
[18:19] <phoenixz> nanomad: Let me check.. I didnt know that plasma applets would have their own packages already
[18:28] <pace_t_zulu> how can we get a higher resolution AIM icon into Pidgin for notifications?
[18:29] <pace_t_zulu> I will do it
[18:32] <DanaG> SendQ?
[18:32] <DanaG> Can't say I know what a SendQ is.
[18:33] <LordKow> Send Queue? (just guessing)
[18:33] <DanaG> or Quotient.
[18:34] <LordKow> i think it's queue
[18:34] <quentusrex> How do I get a patch applied to a package?
[18:34] <LordKow> it happens when the server has too much data to send a user... it's the way of protecting the user from the server :P
[18:34] <quentusrex> I have found a massive bug in the libvirt package, and I've found the patch(from the software project) that fixes it.
[18:34] <quentusrex> How do I get it into the package more quickly?
[18:34] <LordKow> i bet it will happen if i do a who on the entire server which im not going to... then again i do have to reboot so why not
[18:34] <phoenixz> To change existing ext3 filesystems to ext4, I would have to do these 2 steps (For each filesystem): a) change ext3 to ext4 in /etc/fstab, and b) run tune2fs -O extents,uninit_bg,dir_index /dev/DEV   After that I would have to mount -o remount or reboot...  Is this correct, or will this majorly screw up my filesystems?
[18:35] <DanaG> oh yeah, a warning: tftp in #ubuntu channels == ban.
[18:38] <bsnider> there's a major new nvidia driver release out today that may fix the kde4 problems
[18:41] <josh-l> anyone use stasks for your panel? what do you think about expanding option? I like it, but wish it was somehow more intuitive... its a bit of a pain to get to windows when they expand
[18:46] <tkamppeter> I have upgraded from Intrepid to Jaunty and cannot access the wired network any more. NM says "device not managed" on the wired network. What do I have to correct in the NM configuration?
[18:50] <bsnider> tkamppeter, aren't you the guy who handles cups for ubuntu?
[18:51] <genii> !info myth-backend jaunty
[18:51] <genii> Hm
[18:54] <tkamppeter> bsnider, yes.
[19:00] <phoenix64> running jaunty without pulseaudio, after the latest update sound completely broke for my user, I can play sound as root though. Any idea what changed?
[19:00] <phoenix64> my user is in audio, I get "ALSA lib conf.c:3513:(_snd_config_evaluate) function snd_func_card_driver returned error: No such file or directory" with every sound program I tried
[19:03] <phoenixz> I installed kubuntu 9.04 beta and I have a problem: Any new / extra plasma widgets installed do now show up in the list of plasma items I can enable. for example, the wifi plasma widget does not show in the list, so I can not enable. it.. How may I be able to fix this problem?
[19:03] <phoenixz> I installed kubuntu 9.04 beta and I have a problem: Any new / extra plasma widgets installed do now show up in the list of plasma items I can enable. for example, the wifi plasma widget does not show in the list, so I can not enable. it.. How may I be able to fix this problem?
[19:03] <phoenixz> ups, sorry for doublepost
[19:03] <DanaG> whoa, slow down there, dude.
[19:03] <DanaG> ah.
[19:03] <DanaG> thought you were doing that on purpose.
[19:03] <DanaG> =þ
[19:03] <DanaG> People sometimes do that.
[19:04] <phoenixz> no no, post didnt show in the new "quassel" IRC client so I thought it wasnt posted.. posted again and then it showed twice..
[19:05] <phoenixz> DanaG: But I don't suppose you have an idea on the plasma widget problem? :)
[19:05] <phoenix64> is there any way to check the file permissions of alsa?
[19:05] <DanaG> I use gnome, myself.
[19:06] <phoenix64> externally installed or via apt?
[19:07] <bsnider> phoenixz, why use quassel if you've got konversation?
[19:08] <phoenix64> anyone knows anything about my problem?
[19:08] <phoenixz> bsnider: quassel is the new konversation, as I understood it.. so Im trying it to see whassup..
[19:09] <phoenixz> Talking about ALSA.. Phonon also died on me.. Using ALSA ATM..
[19:10] <thopiekar> hello
[19:10] <thopiekar> is there a way to get the fglrx-driver working?
[19:10] <bsnider> oh, i see. but konversation is a better name than quassel
[19:10] <thopiekar> (on jaunty?)
[19:11] <phoenix64> "but konversation is a better name than quassel" - definately isn't :D
[19:11] <FFEMTcJ> I installed 9.04 beta and i get a grub 15 error
[19:12] <FFEMTcJ> i reinstalled and still the same... google doesnt seem to be helping me yet as everything im finding is old... any ideas?
[19:14] <bullgard4> http://packages.ubuntu.com/jaunty/sagemath does not mention libsage2. Why is that so?
[19:14] <phoenix64> btw, I uninstalled pulseaudio completely as it only caused problems with most problems, until now sould has quite worked flawlessly
[19:15] <clearscreen> bullgard4: why should it?
[19:15] <DarthFrog_> Is anyone else noticing a problem with the proprietary NVidia drivers and Jaunty?  If I have the nvidia kernel module loaded, the system is refractory to most (not all) left mouse clicks.
[19:15] <bullgard4> clearscreen: Because of SAGE.
[19:15] <DanaG> wtf... "W: Did not understand pin type version"
[19:16] <DanaG> in apt-cache policy, trying to pin packages.
[19:16] <clearscreen> bullgard4: because the app is called sagemath doesnt mean it uses the libsage2 library, 'apt-rdepends sagemath | grep libsage2' doesn't find it either
[19:16] <DanaG> Apparently apt can't do pinning by versions with two wildcards.
[19:17] <clearscreen> the app just doesnt use that library :P
[19:17] <phoenix64> argh, I am feeling so ignored in #ubuntu* -.-
[19:17] <bullgard4> clearscreen: Keep on thinking: Why does sagemath not use the library ligsage2?
[19:17] <clearscreen> Why would it have to?
[19:17] <bullgard4> clearscreen: Keep on thinking: Why does sagemath not use the library libsage2?
[19:17] <bullgard4> clearscreen: To obey the law of economy of means.
[19:18] <clearscreen> similar names doesn't guarantee anything :P
[19:18] <bullgard4> clearscreen: Or is its English name 'economy of resources'?
[19:19] <clearscreen> could be that libsage2 is a to-be-used library, or used in the past and deprecated.. could be anything
[19:19] <clearscreen> or just completely unrelated
[19:20] <bullgard4> clearscreen: And receiving general wise sayings do not help me.
[19:20] <clearscreen> How would knowing why sagemath doesn't use libsage2 help you?
[19:20] <thopiekar> hmm does this news mean that my readon x700 will not be supported? ( http://www.rojtberg.net/212/no-fglrx-for-jaunty/ )
[19:20] <FFEMTcJ> anyone?
[19:21] <DanaG> grr, so I thought I had apt-pinned something... but nope, it IGNORED me.  Grr.
[19:24] <bsnider> DanaG, i personally reprogrammed apt to deny just you this function.
[19:25] <bsnider> surprisingly my patches were accepted
[19:28] <amortvigil> err verry strange my direct rendereing works oke but still when i enable desktop effects my system freezes \
[19:29] <bsnider> with ati or intel?
[19:29] <amortvigil> nvidia
[19:29] <yofel> FFEMTcJ: how did you install it? ubuntu only/with windows - on what disk - do you get the grub startup screen?
[19:29] <bsnider> yeah, right
[19:29] <amortvigil> bsnider:??
[19:30] <bsnider> amortvigil, what does your xorg.conf look like?
[19:30] <FFEMTcJ> yofel: windows is on sda ubuntu sdb - it looks like it is starting grub, and then get the error
[19:31] <QPrime> amortvigil: bsnider (while generally an ok kinda guy) is an nvidia fanboy - they can do no wrong ;)
[19:31] <clearscreen> amortvigil: does it completely freeze? (are you able to switch TTY?), what does Xorg log say after a freeze
[19:31] <bsnider> QPrime, you're a commie
[19:32]  * QPrime wonders how that is an insult?
[19:32] <QPrime> so I'll take it as a compliment instead.
[19:32] <clearscreen> FOR THE MOTHERLAND - alright we're OT :(
[19:32]  * QPrime backs off ;)
[19:33] <Volkodav> !schedule
[19:34] <yofel> FFEMTcJ: can you boot into a live-cd/usb session and check the grub-config file?
[19:34] <QPrime> amortvigil: clearscreen's got an open question to you.
[19:36] <bsnider> my question is mroe important
[19:36] <amortvigil> clearscreen QPrime bsnider xorg: http://pastebin.com/fd3b8ff4
[19:36] <amortvigil> yes totaly freeze\
[19:36] <amortvigil> my kern log shows no wierd thuings
[19:36] <amortvigil> no freeze causing errors i mean
[19:40] <DanaG> bsnider: =þ
[19:40] <DanaG> I was trying to pin packages to version *dennis*
[19:40] <DanaG> that is, the hpmini.
[19:41] <bsnider> amortvigil, wrong xorg.conf file. that is your problem
[19:41] <amortvigil> bsnider: how to fix?
[19:42] <amortvigil> bsnider: this is nvidia-xconfig and nvidia-xsettings result
[19:42] <bsnider> hold on
[19:42] <amortvigil> ok
[19:43] <josh-l> anyone know where kde plasma widget files are located?
[19:43] <bsnider> amortvigil, use this: http://pastebin.com/m1fd46af6
[19:44] <phoenixz> josh-l: If you know, let me know too please!
[19:44] <phoenixz> josh-l: I installed various extra plasma widgets but they don't show up in the list so I cant add them to the desktop
[19:45] <amortvigil> bsnider: this si the most stanard isnt it?
[19:45] <amortvigil> is
[19:46] <clearscreen> amortvigil: that's exactly what Im using too, works fine for me
[19:46] <clearscreen> it's worth a try anyway :P
[19:47] <bsnider> amortvigil, you won't have twinview by default or anything like that. nvidia-xconfig is not usable anymore, so don't bother
[19:47] <eMaX> hi all
[19:48] <eMaX> what's wrong if system-> Time and Date does not allow me to change the date/time?
[19:48] <amortvigil> bsnider: ok, is it possible to edit the file like yours but leaving the xinerama there? or is that the cause of these errors?
[19:48] <eMaX> the "Unlock" button is greyed out
[19:53] <amortvigil> bsnider: QPrime clearscreen lets see how it works:)
[19:54] <clearscreen> amortvigil: you can always slowly add things to xorg.conf and then see where it crashes
[19:54] <clearscreen> with what settings
[19:54] <amortvigil> clearscreen: well im still here aint i :P
[19:56] <phoenixz> Anyone here on plasma issues in 9.04 kubuntu? In the plasma applet selection list (where I can add widgets to the desktop) I only see the basic widget list. Any extra installed widget (installed by apt-get package, or installed using the install new widget option) does not show in the list and so can not be used on the desktop
[19:56] <inter4ever> i am having a problem in running ubuntu jaunty beta on vmware
[19:56] <inter4ever> http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/7592/ubuntu64bit220090327132.png
[19:57] <inter4ever> too many instances of file manager launching
[19:57]  * QPrime is in the middle of a BS support call - gotta pay the bill somehow :(
[19:57] <QPrime> *s
[19:58] <clearscreen> amortvigil: yeah, im just saying.. you can keep adding settings until you identify the one that crashes you :P
[20:01] <eMaX> ok ck-launch-session time-admin solved it
[20:03] <amortvigil> what is a BS support call?? is he a genious in boot sewing?
[20:08] <MichaelKohler> pidgin takes 50% of my CPU with only one tab open.. anybody has the same problem?
[20:12] <QPrime> amortvigil: errr... no.
[20:12] <amortvigil> QPrime: hehehe noo??
[20:13] <QPrime> HP digisender LDAP with Lotus Notes - woohoo! *sigh*
[20:13] <td123> does jaunty have 2.6.29 package or source I could use to build it? (I know ubuntu puts tons of patches onto its kernels)
[20:13] <td123> 2.6.29 package = kernel :D
[20:15] <MichaelKohler> I guess my problem is away after a restart.. bye
[20:16] <QPrime> lovely..
[20:16] <AaronMT> Hi, can someone on a laptop tell me the the output of this command 'grep -i default_gov /boot/config-2.6.28-11-generic'
[20:17] <AaronMT> I think its a bug that a cpu should not be on performance mode by default.. no wonder my battery was draining incredibly fast
[20:17] <nemo> AaronMT: that doesn't sound right.
[20:17] <nemo> my CPU is always cranked down when on battery
[20:17] <AaronMT> CONFIG_CPU_FREQ_DEFAULT_GOV_PERFORMANCE=y
[20:17] <nemo> pretty sure I set that
[20:18] <nemo> ok. n/m :-/
[20:18] <reddos> sapete come fare x entrare nella chat .it
[20:18] <reddos> io ho ubuntu 9.04
[20:19] <AaronMT> Issue arose on installation of the beta.
[20:19] <mshooshtari> I have some questions about partially editing the network manager settings for eth0, In particular how do I add additional DNS search domains, while keeping the other settings default?
[20:20] <nemo> AaronMT: appears that was a deliberate patch change
[20:20] <nemo> in March
[20:20] <nemo>   [ Tim Gardner ]
[20:20] <nemo>   * Set CONFIG_CPU_FREQ_DEFAULT_GOV_PERFORMANCE=y for i386/amd64/lpia
[20:20] <AaronMT> ... what
[20:20] <AaronMT> how is that good?
[20:21] <FFEMTcJ> yofel: sorry.. how do I do that?
[20:22] <mshooshtari> I'm also concerned that kpackage kit is not using the system proxy server set up, after quite a bit of configuring, I was able to use apt to work on the command line, while  packagekit is not connecting or telling me I have updates etc.
[20:26] <yofel> FFEMTcJ: what I would do is: boot up with live cd - open terminal and mount installed root drive (sdb1?) - check if the correct uuid is used in /boot/grub/menu.lst
[20:26] <yofel> since error 15 implies that he can't find the installed kernel image
[20:27] <aLeSD> hi all
[20:27] <yofel> FFEMTcJ: I can quide you through that If you can be online while doing that
[20:28] <aLeSD> I just installed ubuntu 9.04 beta ,.. and I have problems with the audio ... : it works at gdm screen ... but when I log in , it doesn't. How could I reset the configuration of my sounds ?
[20:32] <donspaulding> what was the reason for the switch from python2.5/site-packages/ to python2.6/dist-packages ?
[20:35] <mshooshtari> yeah any apt stuff, on KDE with a proxy, you get "sorry" an attention symbol and that's it
[20:45] <dupondje> I got 'Wireless Disabled' in my NetworkManager, how to enable it ? :x
[20:45] <Tekno> left click it
[20:45] <Tekno> i mean nm-applet
[20:45] <dupondje> can't enable it ... :)
[20:45] <dupondje> its grayed oyut
[20:45] <dupondje> out*
[20:45] <yofel> anybody an idea how I can move a window under the top panel in gnome (gdmsetup is too large for my eeePC screen)
[20:46] <Tekno> press alt and drag it
[20:46] <vbgunz> I installed the latest nvidia 180.44 binary driver direct from nvidia and can no longer enable effects. worse than that though is without effects I am noticing anomalies I never seen before. a lot of screen corruption. anyone aware of this?
[20:46] <dupondje> Tekno:  any id ?
[20:47] <vbgunz> I never noticed this much corruption since the xorg garbage menu painting issue
[20:48] <crdlb> vbgunz: glxinfo | grep renderer
[20:48] <ffbb> sorry if this is simple question but hopefully it will be quick to answer.  after dist upgrade network-manager and volume control show their popups in some non-human-theme (dark colors). how to get the old intrepid colors back?
[20:49] <vbgunz> crdlb: OpenGL renderer string: GeForce 7950 GX2/PCI/SSE2
[20:50] <crdlb> vbgunz: hmm, pastebin the output of compiz --replace in a terminal
[20:50] <vbgunz> crdlb: damn, I on kubuntu using kwin effects. not the same right?
[20:50] <CosmicChaos> current updates broke my videos, dont know exactly what it is, neither i can watch tv with any video engine (xv/x11/sdl) nor watching video files with any player at any engine :(
[20:50] <vbgunz> I haven't tried video myself
[20:50] <dupondje> omg
[20:51] <dupondje> I better hide l:p
[20:51] <CosmicChaos> i have a black video at all
[20:51] <crdlb> vbgunz: oh, well, they work approximates the same way
[20:51] <dupondje> guess what, I forgot to enable wireless with the shortcut :P
[20:51] <vbgunz> hmm. I got video but no sound in dragonplayer
[20:51] <vbgunz> hmm got sound now
[20:52] <CosmicChaos> totem is broke, mplayer, vlc, me-tv for me thats all i use
[20:52] <vbgunz> I had amarok opened but not playing anything and it must have hogged up the soundcard :(
[20:52] <vbgunz> I closed and repopened dragonplayer on the video and sound came on
[20:52] <CosmicChaos> all having sound but black video
[20:53] <vbgunz> was going to retry installing nvidia . brb
[20:53] <CosmicChaos> is that a beta feature? :)
[20:53] <CosmicChaos> i already reinstalled 180.41 because compiz broke
[20:53] <CosmicChaos> now compiz is back
[20:53] <CosmicChaos> still black videos
[20:53] <danbeck> haha, compiz completely breaks the Mini9.
[20:53] <danbeck> mini9 + compiz = Borked.
[20:54] <CosmicChaos> what is mini9?
[20:54] <vbgunz> CosmicChaos: 180.41?
[20:54] <vbgunz> I have 180.44 from nvidia direct
[20:54] <CosmicChaos> ?
[20:54] <vbgunz> is that what you meant?
[20:55] <luca> hi everyone
[20:55] <Assid> yello
[20:55] <luca> every time I reboot apport signals that my kernel is unstable (bug 351220 in launchpad)
[20:55] <CosmicChaos> vngunz: nvidia ftp: 180.37  	 	06.03.2009  	20:45:00 / 180.41 		20.03.2009 	22:35:00 / 185.13 		13.03.2009 	23:48:00
[20:55] <vbgunz> CosmicChaos: how you get that info?
[20:56] <CosmicChaos> ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86_64/
[20:56] <CosmicChaos> where do you got 180.44????
[20:56] <vbgunz> from the site. probably your card is different?
[20:56] <vbgunz> I heard some people get 180.37 but I never saw it
[20:56] <luca> I am kinda desperate to understand how to fix it - and especially if it is linked with using ext4
[20:56] <CosmicChaos> no 180.41 is the latest released on ftp
[20:56] <vbgunz> http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_amd64_180.44.html
[20:57] <vbgunz> CosmicChaos: be careful it may not be for your card?
[20:57] <CosmicChaos> lolz?
[20:57] <CosmicChaos> damn corp
[20:57] <ryaxnbsuse> hello how is jaunty doing
[20:57] <vbgunz> jaunty is having tea right now
[20:57] <ryaxnbsuse> is it performing well
[20:57] <CosmicChaos> stupid irrational random places where latest beta is
[20:57] <vbgunz> yes, the tea is good
[20:57] <ryaxnbsuse> because i am too chicken to try it :)
[20:57] <ryaxnbsuse> not till final
[20:57] <ikonia> ryaxnbsuse: just wait for the final then
[20:58] <Assid> im bacccckkk
[20:58] <ikonia> ryaxnbsuse: if you're not going to try it, what does it matter how it's doing now
[20:58] <ryaxnbsuse> Yeah, i like having a full library of add-on repos?
[20:58] <Assid> crap the release is a long way to go
[20:58] <dupondje_> whats the best to use to share files with other linux pc's ? NFS ?
[20:58] <ryaxnbsuse> I don't know ikonia, just curious
[20:58] <ikonia> nothing wrong with that
[20:58] <Assid> dupondje: pretty much
[20:58] <vbgunz> good idea. relax and when you get it you will love your children more because it is like night and day. its meaningless what I just said but it is awesome so far
[20:58] <Assid> dupondje: you could also use smb/samba
[20:58] <Assid> i.e. cifs
[20:59] <Assid> hrm
[20:59] <vbgunz> hmm I got my effects back
[20:59] <vbgunz> something did change with the new updates just now
[20:59] <Assid> okie so if you guys need me.. just buzz me
[20:59] <Assid> during the release party
[20:59] <vbgunz> I didn't have to reinstall anything yippee
[20:59] <CosmicChaos> i go for it now the bug fix this sounds good
[21:00] <CosmicChaos> list
[21:00] <CosmicChaos> brb
[21:00] <luca> where should i ask for a consistent kernel warning at boot-up?
[21:00] <ikonia> what's the warning
[21:00] <luca> meaning, to solve the problem
[21:00] <ikonia> what's the warning
[21:01] <luca> bug 351220
[21:01] <luca> it happens every time I boot up
[21:01] <luca> I am growing worried
[21:01] <ikonia> luca: looks like you've got a good bug report
[21:01] <ikonia> well noted
[21:02] <ikonia> just reading through your text file
[21:02] <luca> thanks to apport, I have no merit ;-)
[21:02] <luca> thanks
[21:04] <ikonia> luca: looks lke a very solid bug report I'd expect someone to pick that up
[21:04] <luca> ok
[21:04] <luca> I just hope my system won't become too unstable in the meantime
[21:05] <luca> ikonia: thanks for having a look at it :)
[21:05] <ikonia> bug report doen't look a good "stable" warning
[21:05] <luca> ikonia: guess so, that's why I am worried
[21:06] <luca> ikonia: I just wonder if it is an ext4 bug, I am already kicking myself for trying it out
[21:07] <Marsmensch> hi
[21:08] <CosmicChaos> the 180.44 does work, the videos are still black :(
[21:09] <CosmicChaos> any ideas how to fix my black videos?
[21:10] <Marsmensch> anyone know where the ipw2100 drivers are packed? i'm searching for bug reports
[21:10] <ikonia> wait for a stable / compatible driver combination
[21:10] <ikonia> Marsmensch: are they not in the restricted modules due to firmware
[21:11] <Marsmensch> ah ok
[21:11] <Marsmensch> yes could be
[21:11] <CosmicChaos> ikonia: it was triggered by ubuntu updates, i havent reinstalled any drivers or newly installed drivers as the problem first occurs
[21:11] <combatwombat_nz> anyone else using an old ATi 9100 IGP with Jaunty and getting display artifacts?
[21:12] <ikonia> CosmicChaos: yes, so wait for a fix,
[21:12] <bsnider> probably everyone
[21:12] <CosmicChaos> ikonia: i ran updates while watching tv, after some time the video turns black and any video in my system, i strickly would say its not a driver problem
[21:12] <ikonia> 9.04 is still in development having bug fixes, compatability with closed source drivers can break
[21:13] <CosmicChaos> hm
[21:13] <ikonia> CosmicChaos: if its not a driver issue what would you say it is ?
[21:13] <CosmicChaos> i just want to watch if other having same issue
[21:14] <ikonia> CosmicChaos: the component that interfaces your hardware to xorg is the nvidia kernel module, if it's not that what would you suggest it to be ?
[21:14] <CosmicChaos> maybe gstreameror xserver-corg exactly watched  update list this time :(
[21:14] <donspaulding> python's virtualenv utility is broken with python2.6 on jaunty.  The only bug I can find for this is https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/339904 which doesn't have any solution in sight.  A similar issue (though I'm not sure it is an identical problem) is reported as fixed upstream at http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=518826 .  How can I verify if the upstream package fixes the virtualenv issue?
[21:15] <ikonia> CosmicChaos: is you're whole screen black or just the video window ?
[21:15] <CosmicChaos> i just dont know if maybe others with open source drivers having same issues
[21:15] <ikonia> CosmicChaos: is you're whole screen black or just the video window ?
[21:15] <CosmicChaos> thats god damn why i ask for it
[21:15] <CosmicChaos> any video is black simple as that
[21:15] <ikonia> CosmicChaos: why did you need to say "god damn" ?
[21:15] <ikonia> CosmicChaos: so the rest of the screen isn't, just the video window
[21:15] <CosmicChaos> xv,sdl,x11,xsh,opengl
[21:16] <ikonia> CosmicChaos: why are you just saying random words, how is that an answer to my question
[21:16] <ikonia> CosmicChaos: so the rest of the screen isn't, just the video window
[21:16] <crdlb> your video player is probably broken then ...
[21:16] <CosmicChaos> divx,mpeg,x264, dvbt-stream
[21:16] <ikonia> CosmicChaos: stop
[21:16] <ikonia> CosmicChaos: you're just saying random word
[21:16] <crdlb> x11 means it gets drawn like anything else
[21:16] <CosmicChaos> mplayer,vlc-mediaplayer,totem,me-tv
[21:16] <ikonia> CosmicChaos: have you restarted since the updates
[21:16] <CosmicChaos> all players broke at once???
[21:16] <CosmicChaos> yes i have multiple restarted
[21:17] <ikonia> CosmicChaos: if you have updated a component that is in use such as xorg it may need to be restarted
[21:17] <CosmicChaos> and upgraded driver AFTER the problem occurs to latest beta
[21:17] <CosmicChaos> problem still persists
[21:17] <ikonia> that situation happens quite a lot when firefox is updated while open
[21:17] <CosmicChaos> the driver was working well
[21:17] <CosmicChaos> firefox?
[21:18] <mifritscher> yust got the mail about the bughuntingday
[21:18] <ikonia> CosmicChaos: if you want to answer questions that people aren't asking you'll get no-where
[21:18] <ikonia> CosmicChaos: read the questions being asked
[21:18] <mifritscher> are there plans to first update to the intel driver 2.7.*?
[21:18] <CosmicChaos> ikonia: dont got your point
[21:18] <crdlb> CosmicChaos: if it's broken with x11 video (mplayer -vo x11), I don't see how it could be driver-related
[21:18] <yofel> donspaulding: you can ask in #ubuntu-bugs - they might be able to help you more
[21:19] <donspaulding> yofel: thanks
[21:19] <ikonia> CosmicChaos: if a component is installed while it's in use, it can be a problem, this is a common situation when firefox is upgraded
[21:19] <ikonia> CosmicChaos: have you resetarted the componentes updated
[21:20] <crdlb> mifritscher: this late, it seems extremely unlikely, though the intel driver is in such bad shape as it is ... :/
[21:20] <CosmicChaos> components?
[21:20] <ikonia> CosmicChaos: yes, you said you have some component update
[21:20] <CosmicChaos> i ji just did upgrade-manager -c
[21:20] <ikonia> CosmicChaos: if you're not sure what was updated, a reboot may be a simple way
[21:20] <CosmicChaos> i already rebooted as i said
[21:21] <ikonia> I didn't see you say that
[21:22] <seb-> Anyone else getting lots of "RESTART REQUIRED" messages at odd times?
[21:22] <donspaulding> seb-: only in Windows ;-)
[21:22] <seb-> (for some security patches jaunty thinks i just installed which i didn't)
[21:23] <seb-> What about ssh-agent (RSA keys) not being unlocked the same way?
[21:23] <seb-> than 8.04?
[21:25] <ActionParsnip> booya, all perfect
[21:31] <CosmicChaos> once linux drives me mad ill migrate to vsd :)
[21:31] <CosmicChaos> bsd
[21:35] <ActionParsnip> bsd is pretty tight
[21:39] <ActionParsnip> CosmicChaos: wassup with your linux?
[21:41] <CosmicChaos> black videos at all
[21:42] <CosmicChaos> i was  just joking with that bsd statement
[21:42] <ikonia> CosmicChaos: out of interest what is the encoding of the file you're trying to watch
[21:43] <CosmicChaos> ActionParsnip: i did updates while watching tv, after some minutes me-tv turns black video, checked different video players, no more videos work, all black, tried restarting, compiz broke, reinstalled driver, compiz back, videos still broke, upgrade to latest nvidia beta (working well the last weeks without any black videos) but still black videos
[21:44] <ikonia> CosmicChaos: you upgraded your nvidia modules to one from nvidia.com ?
[21:44] <CosmicChaos> ikonia: any :) i have xvid,divx,mpeg1/2 and x264
[21:44] <CosmicChaos> none work
[21:44] <ActionParsnip> CosmicChaos: tried it without compiz breaking stuff?
[21:44] <CosmicChaos> ikonia: no i updated ubuntu than i had black videos
[21:44] <CosmicChaos> than i updated driver
[21:44] <CosmicChaos> ;)
[21:45] <ikonia> CosmicChaos: but you updated to the modules from nvidia.com ?
[21:45] <ActionParsnip> CosmicChaos: try disabling monitor off after so many minutes
[21:45] <CosmicChaos> ActionParsnip: what is monitor off?
[21:46] <ActionParsnip> CosmicChaos: its a feature to dim the screen after no input
[21:46] <CosmicChaos> CosmicChaos: yes i use the beta from nvidia.com
[21:46] <ikonia> CosmicChaos: can you confirm if you installed any modules from nvidia.com ?
[21:46] <ikonia> CosmicChaos: ok - you need to clean that up straight away, as it's pointless progresing with that stuff on
[21:46] <CosmicChaos> of course do i and they worked very well
[21:47] <darthanubis> pulseaudio has not failed me since the BETA yah!
[21:47] <CosmicChaos> its pointless to install ubuntu nvidia-glx
[21:47] <CosmicChaos> because it wills till be black videos ;)
[21:47] <CosmicChaos> im not your test rabbit
[21:47] <ikonia> CosmicChaos: then stop using a test product
[21:48] <CosmicChaos> the video driver hasnt changed as i experienced that bug first, why isnt that obvious to you ikonia
[21:48] <CosmicChaos> i will but i too use nvidias test prodoct
[21:48] <CosmicChaos> and AGAIN IT WORKED VERY WELL
[21:48] <ikonia> CosmicChaos: I understand what you're saying but it is better to debug the issue with ubuntu - not additional 3rd party/unsupported products
[21:48] <CosmicChaos> stop bsing around please
[21:48] <CosmicChaos> narf
[22:03] <pwuertz> hey, anyone having problems with alsa/pulseaudio too? after some upgrade one or two days ago, my sound system started playing noise :(
[22:04] <arunreddy> guys can i update from 8.10 to 9.04
[22:07] <bsnider> arunreddy, yes, you can. you can do anything you want. no one can stop you.
[22:07] <arunreddy> bsnider: Thats great . how stable it is..
[22:07] <bsnider> that depends
[22:08] <arunreddy> i mean .. am worried that changing the file system . will erase the data. and 9.04 showing up any problems for laptop
[22:08] <arunreddy> dell xps laptop
[22:08] <arunreddy> :)
[22:09] <Ienorand> arunreddy: xps lap... what graphics card are you using?
[22:10] <arunreddy> Ienorand : Hey , i have 8600 gt
[22:10] <bsnider> what cpu?
[22:10] <Ienorand> arunreddy: same here, you might have tough luck getting the proprietary driver working in jaunty...
[22:11] <bsnider> arunreddy, when youbought it was it a linux laptop?
[22:11] <arunreddy> nope.. WINDOWS VISTA
[22:11] <arunreddy> does dell ship it with ubuntu .?
[22:11] <bsnider> does it work with intrepid?
[22:11] <bsnider> yes, dell sells ubuntu laptops
[22:12] <arunreddy> Ienorand : whats ur os.. ? 8.10 or 9.04 ?
[22:12] <Ienorand> arunreddy: Options seems to be either patch and run a development kernel or remove 2G memory... Otherwise no nvidia drivers & 3D acc...
[22:12] <arunreddy> bsnider : Awesome performance with intrepid..
[22:12] <bsnider> then you won't have any trouble with jaunty
[22:12] <Ienorand> arunreddy: I'm running 9.04 off a usb stick atm
[22:13] <arunreddy> sounds interesting.. can you throw some light on the same.. even i shall give it a try
[22:13] <arunreddy> bsnider : OK thanks..!! I shall try to update it.!!
[22:14] <bsnider> clean install it
[22:15] <Ienorand> arunreddy: I wouldn't reccomend it, seeing how we have kind of the same computer 1530 i presume... but It might be that it's just me that's been having troubles...
[22:15] <bsnider> Ienorand, what problems?
[22:15] <arunreddy> Ienorand : ok
[22:16] <arunreddy> Ienorand : Do you have a Bluetooth headset , dell bh200
[22:16] <arunreddy> Ienorand : i got it free with my xps 1530
[22:16] <Ienorand> No networking without disabling network-manager... no nvidia drivers without physically removing one of the two 2GB memory sticks... the usual stuff...
[22:17] <arunreddy> bsnider : Ny idea on how to get bluetooth headset working in ubuntu intrepid
[22:17] <Ienorand> arunreddy: no, I haven't got that...
[22:17] <arunreddy> kool
[22:17] <bsnider> pulse works with bluetooth
[22:18] <bsnider> Ienorand, no nvidia drivers without removing a ram stick?
[22:18] <Ienorand> arunreddy: You could always try booting a livecd, that will at least tell you if networking works.
[22:18] <Ienorand> https://bugs.launchpad.net/linux/+bug/342926
[22:19] <bsnider> are you running the amd64 build?
[22:19] <Ienorand> bsnider: No, 32bit...
[22:19] <bsnider> run it in 64 bit
[22:19] <bsnider> what's the cpu?
[22:20] <Ienorand> bsnider: still something is messy with memory allocations...
[22:20] <Ienorand> Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU     T8300  @ 2.40GHz
[22:21] <bsnider> please install the amd64 version right now
[22:21] <bsnider> do not hesitate
[22:21] <darthanubis> lol, yeah please
[22:21] <arunreddy> bsnider : can i install 64 bit on  Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU     T9300  @ 2.50GHz
[22:22] <bsnider> Y.E.S.
[22:22] <Ienorand> bsnider: according to bug description this shows up on both 32 and 64 version...
[22:23] <bsnider> Ienorand, you should _still_ be using the amd64 version of the distro even without this bug
[22:23] <bsnider> clean install it and use ext4 for the root partition
[22:24] <bsnider> arunreddy, all core 2 duos are amd64
[22:25] <arunreddy> ok
[22:25] <arunreddy> i shal install amd 64 :)
[22:25] <arunreddy> thanks for the help
[22:26] <bsnider> you've got an extremely powerful rig there
[22:28] <veloc1ty> is any1 here using twitux on jaunty? i had a lot of complete system freezes but can't recreate it all the time - just wanted to ask if someone else expirienced it before filing a bug report?
[22:35] <SJrX> You know the sad part is about juanty is that it seems less annoying than Ibex.
[22:36] <darthanubis> less is bad?
[22:37] <SJrX> Yes, bad for Ibex
[22:37] <SJrX> Hmmmm so I'm running Kubuntu, and it seems like alot of QT apps when a window is activated they lock up
[22:38] <inter4ever> is there any hope to find a utility as simple as btnx for jaunty?
[22:38] <SJrX> Psi, and Konqueror for example
[22:40] <ppe> hello, I get the updates 4 januty with »sudo apt-get update«. right?
[22:40] <LogicalDash> yeah
[22:41] <ppe> ok, thx.
[22:41] <LogicalDash> um, assuming that you have jaunty installed ;)
[22:41] <ppe> yes, sure man.
[22:41] <LogicalDash> Hey, when I first installed Jaunty, I chose not to encrypt my home directory, but now I've changed my mind. How do I encrypt it?
[22:42] <ppe> with what you have crypted it?
[22:42] <LogicalDash> I haven't
[22:42] <LogicalDash> The text-based installer gave me the option to encrypt it, but I declined
[22:42] <LogicalDash> This is apparently a feature in the kernel?
[22:43] <ppe> I don't know about this option. But check out true-type. thats a very fat thang to encrypt files. :-D
[22:43] <ppe> its in the repos.
[22:44] <ppe> than you have 2 stages for crypted files.
[22:44] <inter4ever> why doesn't jaunty have vmmouse driver enabled when its run in VM?
[22:44] <LogicalDash> I think you mean TrueCrypt. TrueType is a format for fonts ;)
[22:44] <inter4ever> wasn't this fixed in intrpid?
[22:44] <SJrX> LogicalDash that was actually in 8.10 too, only in the text based installer though
[22:44] <ppe> LogicalDash: you've right man.
[22:44] <LogicalDash> SJrX: So I'd have to reinstall?
[22:44] <SJrX> No probably not
[22:45] <LogicalDash> Just finding the *name* of this feature would help me a lot.
[22:45] <SJrX> http://blog.gnist.org/article.php?story=EncryptedSwapAndHomeUbuntu
[22:45] <LogicalDash> LUKS
[22:45] <SJrX> Encrypted Home Directories, I assume you could ask in regular #ubuntu and they could tell you.
[22:45] <ppe> LogicalDash: are you in the cia or something? :-D
[22:46] <LogicalDash> ppe: No, but I keep some of my passwords in plain text files. Better to encrypt those, in case I lose my laptop.
[22:46] <ppe> LogicalDash: may you save the passwords on a web-device?
[22:47] <LogicalDash> ppe: That would actually be less secure, since people I haven't met will then have access to the hardware that my passwords are on.
[22:49] <hi_guys> hi guys :)
[22:49] <ppe> take a look around in TrueCrypt and then you're secure. it's awesome man! you have 2 stages. the first is for noobs. you can get in with a password. and for the second stage you neeed your favorite mp3 for example. its plausible deniality.
[22:49] <LogicalDash> hi hi_guys :)
[22:50] <hi_guys> excuse me, i've got a question for ATI users with jaunty 64bits
[22:50] <LogicalDash> ppe: TrueCrypt is a bit too inconvenient for this purpose. I need to access those passwords regularly, I want them to be available from the minute I log in.
[22:50] <hi_guys> Does your TV-out works properly with the beta drivers fglrx ?
[22:51] <maxb> Is anyone else noticing visual corruption of the background of bits of gnome-panels?
[22:51] <hi_guys> maxb: with compiz or not ?
[22:51] <ppe> LogicalDash: its not inconvenient. maybe the first time, but then it's normal for you. the password-files are very little, yeh? but you have to choose. It's only an idea from a german freak. :-D
[22:52] <maxb> yes, compiz
[22:52] <hi_guys> i don't use compiz everyday (ati user :( ), but it seems to work fine
[22:52] <maxb> I have predominantly blueish / blackish bars in the background of several panel applets
[22:53] <LogicalDash> ppe: I'm not worried about choosing a password file, I'm worried about having to mess around with the TrueCrypt interface every time I want to read my passwords. No good, I just want to log in and have them. I'll pick a secure password for my account, of course.
[22:57] <mshooshtari> Have there been any problem  reports with networkmanager(kde) and proxy servers?
[23:02] <hollywoodb> CC/quit
[23:02] <Bodsda> Hi, im trying to perform a backtrace on an already running but frozen application. The wiki says if the application is frozen but not crashed, atfer typing 'continue' at the (gdb) prompt press ctrl+c to allow you to perform the next step -- but ctrl+c stops everything, I lose the (gdb) prompt -- what can i do?
[23:09] <Lenin_Cat> dose 9.04 suppoty ATI yet
[23:09] <syockit> strange, ctrl-c shouldn't terminate gdb....
[23:09] <ikonia> Lenin_Cat: there are ati modules
[23:10] <ikonia> the support is dependant on the card
[23:10] <Lenin_Cat> its a 600 ikonia
[23:10] <ikonia> !ati > Lenin_Cat
[23:11] <ikonia> Lenin_Cat: I think that facoitd has a list of module versions and supported cards too
[23:11] <Lenin_Cat> that artical is outdated
[23:11] <Bodsda> syockit: if i press ctrl c it prints    ^C   and then just sits there, if i press enter i get my bod@bod$ prompt
[23:14] <syockit> i thought you just type c to continue. ctrl+c stops anything gdb's processing
[23:14] <Lenin_Cat> yes or no
[23:14] <Lenin_Cat> dose it work
[23:15] <Ampelbein> Lenin_Cat: What ati-chip do you have?
[23:15] <Lenin_Cat> R600
[23:15] <Lenin_Cat> its a HD 3200
[23:15] <Bodsda> syockit: typing c after continue does nothing
[23:16] <Lenin_Cat> dose it?
[23:16] <syockit> Bodsda: c <enter> is the command to continue, isn't it?
[23:16] <Bodsda> syockit: straight from the wiki -- (gdb) continue
[23:16] <Lenin_Cat> Ampelbein?
[23:17] <Ampelbein> Lenin_Cat: just looking. seems that the r600 is full 2d-supported, some 3d-options may work through MESA
[23:17] <Bodsda> syockit: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Backtrace#Already%20running%20programs
[23:17] <Lenin_Cat> so no 3D?
[23:18] <Lenin_Cat> Ampelbein, even with binary drivers?
[23:19] <Ampelbein> Lenin_Cat: the proprietary driver should work: http://www.linux-magazine.com/online/news/proprietary_driver_for_ubuntu_9_04_fglrx_for_x_server_1_6?category=13400
[23:19] <Ampelbein> Lenin_Cat: try the beta-live-cd and install the driver.
[23:19] <Lenin_Cat> Up to now, the buzz has been that Ubuntu Jaunty users would have 2D support on their ATI graphics cards only.
[23:20] <raevol> anyone know what kernel karmic will use?
[23:21] <Ampelbein> Lenin_Cat: yeah, but on March 18th ati released a driver compatible with xorg 1.6
[23:21] <stephenr82> hey guys i went to jaunty about 2 or 3 weeks ago. im guessing in 2 or 3 weeks there has been a good few updates, none of which have been pushed to me
[23:21] <Lenin_Cat> Ampelbein, so its safe for me to upgrade?
[23:21] <jpds> raevol: Probably 2.6.28
[23:21] <Ampelbein> Lenin_Cat: try the beta-live cd and install the driver.
[23:21] <Ampelbein> see if it works.
[23:22] <stephenr82> on the site it says alpha 3 is out, how do i tell what ive got? best i can get is stephen@the-batman:/usr/local/src/ubuntu-jaunty$ cat /etc/issue
[23:22] <stephenr82> Ubuntu jaunty (development branch) \n \l
[23:22] <Lenin_Cat> LOL
[23:22] <Lenin_Cat> stephenr82, thats way behind
[23:22] <Lenin_Cat> were at beta 1
[23:22] <syockit> hmm, it doesn't handle ctrl+c correctly....
[23:22] <Bodsda> good point though, anyway to tell where we are? I installed from Alpha 6, how do i know im in beta1?
[23:23] <Bodsda> syockit: lol, should i open a bug about it?
[23:23] <raevol> jpds really? isn't that what jaunty is?
[23:23] <stephenr82> when i run update manager, there is no updates available, even with -d switch
[23:23] <Ampelbein> Bodsda: if you've been doing all the updates you are at beta-1
[23:23] <jpds> raevol: Err, misread, try #ubuntu-kernel.
[23:24] <Bodsda> Ampelbein: ah, got ya -- cheers
[23:24] <raevol> jpds thanks
[23:24] <darthanubis> brasero cycles at "normalizing tracks" and never does a thing if it thinks the totaltrack size will not fit on the cd, and gnomebaker causes the audio playing current to be staticy while it prepares tracks.
[23:24] <Ampelbein> stephenr82: let's check a sample package: apt-cache policy seahorse
[23:24] <Ampelbein> That should give you -0ubuntu4 as version
[23:25] <stephenr82> stephen@the-batman:/usr/local/src/ubuntu-jaunty$  apt-cache policy seahorse
[23:25] <stephenr82> seahorse:
[23:25] <stephenr82>   Installed: 2.26.0-0ubuntu1
[23:25] <stephenr82>   Candidate: 2.26.0-0ubuntu1
[23:25] <stephenr82>   Version table:
[23:25] <Ampelbein> please paste-bin your /etc/apt/sources.list to http://paste.ubuntu.com/
[23:25] <stephenr82> apologies
[23:27] <stephenr82> Ampelbein: http://paste.ubuntu.com/141032/
[23:28] <syockit> Bodsda: i think using with tee is somehow incorrect
[23:28] <Ampelbein> stephenr82: hmm, strange.
[23:28] <Ampelbein> i check the mirror contents.
[23:30] <jpds> syockit: I have -0ubuntu4 for seahorse from gb.a, have you run apt-get update recently?
[23:30] <syockit> jpds: yes. umm, why?
[23:30] <jpds> syockit: Sorry, that was for stephenr82.
[23:31] <Bodsda> syockit: The wiki says to use tee, what should i try instead?
[23:31] <Ampelbein> stephenr82: the mirror is up to date.
[23:32] <Ampelbein> stephenr82: does apt-get update produce an error for you?
[23:32] <jpds> Ampelbein: I can confirm, and it lives very close to the master archive machine too. ;-)
[23:33] <stephenr82> jpds ampelbein: just ran it there it gave me: http://paste.ubuntu.com/141034/
[23:33] <stephenr82> now running update manager does give me 400 megs of updates
[23:33] <Ampelbein> stephenr82: now do "sudo aptitude safe-upgrade"
[23:34] <stephenr82> i presumed that would have been run automatically by the update manager gui?
[23:34] <Ampelbein> it should
[23:34] <Ampelbein> check system->administration->software sources-> "updates"-tab
[23:36] <jpds> stephenr82: See my /msg please. :)
[23:37] <syockit> Bodsda: (1) run gdb without any parameters, i.e. just gdb (2) follow the steps until before attach (3) do the following: set logging file gdb-<program>.txt (4) do: set logging on (5) attach the process (6) do: c  to continue (7) ctrl-c to return to gdb (8) q to quit at any time
[23:37] <stephenr82> that's updating away now guys, thanks a million guys!
[23:40] <syockit> Bodsda: oh, i noticed that there was an instruction for setting the logging file there at the bottom. but the the wiki must be updated to stop using tee there
[23:40] <afallenhope> so must say... Kudos to the Jaunty folks
[23:47] <Bodsda> syockit: that seemed to work, thanks :)
[23:47] <mickstephenson> Does anyone know where the configuration file is for the new notifications system? I want to change its colour
[23:48] <afallenhope> mickstephenson, is it kubuntu, ubuntu or xubuntu? lol
[23:48] <mickstephenson> ubuntu
[23:48] <caeroe> is there anything reported about the gnome panel becoming unresponsive either randomly or after running update manage/synaptic?  both panels, except sometimes the logoff/shutdown button works
[23:48] <caeroe> other than that, this is quite zippy
[23:48] <ubuntu_rocks_> same for me, can't find this menu for notifications :(
[23:48] <afallenhope> caeroe, I get that.. running xbuntu but that was after only the first big update
[23:49] <mickstephenson> I can't find it in gconf, but I hear that it's not gnome-specific anyway so I wasn;t really expecting it to be in gconf
[23:49] <caeroe> hmm cool...  i am running beta nvidia drivers, but it didn't seem to fit in
[23:50] <afallenhope> yeah I'm trying to figure out why my screen is only 1240 x 800 lol
[23:52] <Bodsda> caeroe: I have filed a bug about unresponsive gnome-panels upon first login https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-panel/+bug/351300
[23:53] <caeroe> yeah, that happened once before.  i'm so vague i don't get hits
[23:54] <bsnider> caeroe, which beta nvidia drivers
[23:54] <nandemonai> Hi guys. Does anyone know of a workaround for the gnome session loop bug here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/325973. Wanted to have a play around with the beta in VMware but I can't get those 'Starting File Manager' spawns to stop.
[23:55] <nandemonai> I tried the suggested workaround but it doesn't seem to work for me.
[23:55] <bsnider> it says fix released
[23:55] <caeroe> 185.13, no issues installing it
[23:55] <caeroe> x64
[23:55] <nandemonai> Hmm, just noticed that.. I'll try an update.
[23:55] <afallenhope> anyone able to get the 32bit libs ? I'm trying to install 32 bit java so I can run Flex
[23:56] <mxboy15u> Any link to what the updates that are out today are for
[23:59] <bsnider> afallenhope, the package you want is called ia32-libs
[23:59] <khear> why does language-support-translations-en suddenly have lots of gnome dependencies?