=== bluesmoke_ is now known as Amaranth [07:44] Good morning [07:51] morning everyone [08:07] hey huats [08:08] hello pitti [08:08] how are you ? [08:08] huats: pretty good, thanks; you? [08:09] same here :) [08:09] thanks ! [08:15] good morning there [08:15] morning mister seb128 [08:15] ;) [08:16] lut huats [08:16] how are you seb128 ? [08:16] seb128: good morning [08:16] pitti: hi also! [08:16] huats: good apparently, you? ;-) [08:16] hey robert_ancell_! [08:17] robert_ancell_: how was you flight back? [08:17] so am I ! [08:17] robert_ancell_: hey robert [08:17] huats: hey! [08:17] hey seb128 [08:17] good morning robert_ancell_ [08:17] made it back in one piece? [08:18] flight was long and uneventful... And I think I watched every movie in their catalogue [08:18] did you have the same movies on the way back? [08:19] seb128: yes. So I had to watch the dregs on the way back [08:22] robert_ancell_: seems you need more laptop spare batteries [08:24] bah, time after beta is crazy for bugs activity [08:24] pitti: yeah no power points on economy class. And no power points in Abu Dhabi - new airport but no facilities [08:25] I got almost 700 bug emails during the weekend [08:26] pitti, mvo: want to help on the sponsoring queue today? ;-) [08:26] seb128: heh, I only got 350 [08:26] seb128: ah, yes [08:26] hey MacSlow [08:27] greetings seb128 [08:27] hey MacSlow, good morning [08:27] MacSlow: did you get my email about notify-osd? ;-) [08:27] seb128: I'll start with uploading the three new DX versions, shall I? [08:27] oh, right, I saw your reply [08:27] pitti: I did review notify-osd during the weekend, got my reply? [08:27] seb128: I'll start with the indicator stuff [08:27] seb128, email is slow today [08:28] pitti: if you want, thanks [08:28] MacSlow: I sent on saturday, let me copy that here if you didn't get it [08:28] seb128, I'm checking [08:28] MacSlow: [08:28] "I've looked at the update, the install has this change though [08:28] "< /usr/share/dbus-1/services/org.freedesktop.Notifications.service [08:28] --- [08:28] > /usr/share/dbus-1/services/org.freedesktop.Notifications.service.in" [08:28] which breaks the dbus autospawning and make it not run" [08:29] seb128: sure [08:29] *sigh* [08:29] mvo: want to look to the brasero update in the queue? that's a svn change robert_ancell_ did backport should be no issue [08:30] seb128: ok [08:30] thanks [08:31] gee... my evolution just doesn't come around? [08:32] wtf [08:32] seb128: any last requests for my end of day? [08:33] robert_ancell_: not really, you should try to fix your timezone, I will probably drop you an email with some tasks or assign you some bugs during my day [08:33] robert_ancell_: so you have something to do for tomorrow ;-) [08:33] robert_ancell_: did you manage to find interesting to do today? I see that you did some bug triage ;-) [08:35] seb128: yeah pretty much triage and admin regarding travel today. [08:36] ok [08:36] seb128: I'm planning this week to start actively triaging a new package a day. Currently gnome-games, gcalctool, vinagre. [08:36] enjoy your evening there, I've nothing specific waiting today so I think there is no point for your to stay around for nothing [08:36] that sounds a good plan! [08:36] robert_ancell_: sleep well! [08:36] I will probably assign you some bugs or updates during the week so watch your assigned bugs too ;-) [08:37] * robert_ancell_ stomach rumbles... Time for dinner! [08:37] seb128: ok, will do. [08:38] seb128, my evo is really dead atm. [08:38] seb128, trying to kill and restart it [08:38] ok, see you guys tomorrow! [08:39] MacSlow: I copied the email there [08:39] MacSlow: you just install the service.in rather than the .service [08:40] MacSlow: sounds like your intent is to create the .service at build time with some detected stuff? I just wonder what kind of detection you'd do during build? [08:40] pitti: [08:40] Exec=@LIBEXECDIR@/notify-osd [08:40] @LIBEXECDIR@ [08:40] aah [08:41] odd, ISTR that we had that for ages already [08:41] service_DATA=org.freedesktop.Notifications.service.in [08:41] I guess you want to change that [08:41] to service_DATA=org.freedesktop.Notifications.service [08:42] seb128, I never touched the packaging branch of notify-osd before. So I'm surprised this turned up just now [08:42] that's not in the packaging it's in the upstream tarball [08:44] MacSlow: it's commit 257 which broke it [08:44] servicedir=/usr/share/dbus-1/services [08:44] -service_DATA=org.freedesktop.Notifications.service [08:44] +service_DATA=org.freedesktop.Notifications.service.in [08:44] + [08:44] +EXTRA_DIST= $(service_DATA) [08:44] you want to keep _DATA to .service [08:44] and add the .in to EXTRA_DIST [08:44] * MacSlow wishes we had automated builds after each commit to catch that earlier [08:44] package-builds that is [08:45] MacSlow: I can fix it in the package for this round but please fix the upstream code too [08:45] seb128: you're going to update notify-osd then, while you are at it? [08:46] pitti: I've the update ready, with bugs closed in the changelog etc, I was just waiting to sort that with MacSlow to upload [08:46] * pitti hugs seb128 [08:46] * pitti hugs MacSlow, too [08:46] * seb128 hugs pitti [08:47] changes from David [08:47] davidbarth: ^ ;-) [08:47] hello gentlemen [08:47] lut crevette [08:48] salut seb128 [08:48] seb128, I'll ask him why he changed that on the morning-call [08:48] ok [08:49] MacSlow: I think that was to have the .service.in the make dist tarball [08:49] MacSlow: ie adding the service.in to EXTRA_DIST [08:49] but that was done incorrectly [08:50] service_DATA=org.freedesktop.Notifications.service [08:50] EXTRA_DIST= $(service_DATA) org.freedesktop.Notifications.service.in [08:50] I assume that's better [08:50] service_DATA=org.freedesktop.Notifications.service [08:52] EXTRA_DIST=org.freedesktop.Notifications.service.in [08:52] rather [08:52] you don't need the .service in the tarball [08:52] it's built from the .in during the build [08:52] hm... yeah [08:53] seb128, about the inclusion of gnome-user-share by default in ubuntu, against which component should I open a bug? ubuntu? [08:53] seb128, fix committed and pushed [08:53] MacSlow: thanks [08:53] seb128, thanks! [08:53] crevette: none [08:54] crevette: those things should be discussed on mailing list not on a bug tracker when nobody out of bug triagers will read it [08:54] okay [08:56] seb128: I assume bug #344431 should be added to the brasero upload as well? [08:56] Launchpad bug 344431 in brasero "cd / dvd creator appears in the apps menu, not in places" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/344431 [08:56] seb128: taking libunique, or do you have a lock on it? [08:56] mvo: please do [08:57] pitti: I'm doing bugs I've commented on, ie libunique and pidgin [08:57] seb128: ack [08:57] pitti: would be nice if you could look at fusa, it unbreaks translations and has a freeze exception request [08:59] brb, restarting session to make sure the notify-osd update works correctly [09:01] ok, works [09:01] MacSlow, pitti: new notify-osd uploaded [09:01] seb128: fusa> taking [09:01] seb128: yay you, thanks [09:01] seb128, sweeeeet! [09:02] MacSlow: good work on the new version, nice to see several crashers fixed there ;-) [09:02] seb128: as regards bug 346964 [09:02] Launchpad bug 346964 in gnome-panel "menu items selected from screen 1 open on screen 0" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/346964 [09:02] seb128: I have found a workaround which makes the gnome menu and the panel launch apps using the right display. I haven't found the real problem though. And nautilus keeps opening files using the wrong display. Shall we include my patch for gnome-panel anyway? [09:03] seb128, yeah... put my personal "pet hates" about notify-osd I wasn't able to fix yet... but crashers enjoy higher prio :) [09:04] MacSlow: good that we sat down with davidbarth at the office too, I was able to point him the fallback icon issue too ;-) [09:05] hey tseliot, good morning [09:05] seb128: I get the display name from g_app_launch_context_get_display() and set it with g_setenv(). I know it shouldn't be necessary but I can't find the actual bug in the gtk (gdk) library [09:05] pitti: good morning to you ;) [09:06] tseliot: can you try to get vuntz's opinion on the change? [09:06] seb128: I already talked to vuntz but we haven't found the real problem yet [09:06] seb128, doing in person meetings/sprints is always good [09:06] tseliot: would he accept the gnome-panel change upstream? [09:07] seb128: no, I guess not since it's not a bug in gnome-panel but in gtk (I *think*) [09:08] asac: should firefox in intrepid show me a restart required notification in the browser itself? I remeber seeing that some time ago, but do not in the intrepid version. is that expected? [09:08] tseliot: I would prefer to wait and try to fix the real issue for now [09:08] seb128: but my patch helps and unless the bug is fixed before jaunty's release, our users will have a rather frustrating experience with multiple screens [09:08] ok [09:08] tseliot: we can still include your patch in a week if we didn't find something else [09:09] tseliot: did you open an upstream gtk bug? [09:09] seb128: sounds like a plan :-) [09:09] no, but I'll do it soon [09:10] thanks [09:26] seb128: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=577273 [09:26] Gnome bug 577273 in Panel "Gnome Panel (and menu) launches applications using the wrong $DISPLAY" [Normal,Unconfirmed] [09:26] just FYI [09:26] tseliot: thanks [09:26] np [09:26] tseliot: I though that was a GTK bug? [09:27] seb128: maybe. I can't see where the bug is. In the bug report I suggested that I can be a bug in GTK [09:27] tseliot: ok, I was suggesting to open in GTK in this case so you might get a reply from the GTK guys [09:28] tseliot: nobody out of vuntz will read this one on gnome-panel and vuntz already did know about it [09:28] seb128: I looked at gdk and went up to glib but I didn't find anything suspicious [09:28] ok [09:28] oh [09:28] btw the nautilus issue should be fixed in svn [09:28] did you try their change? [09:28] seb128: are GTK bugs reported in the gnome bugzilla? [09:29] yes, gtk+ component there [09:29] seb128: yes, I did and it doesn't seem to solve the problem [09:29] it should solve the places menu problem no? [09:29] seb128: no, it doesn't, at least not here [09:30] which makes sense if it's a gtk bug [09:30] seb128: is it possible to reassing the bug to a different product in the gnome bugzilla? [09:30] tseliot: yes, the component is a combo, just pick an another component there [09:32] ok, let me change it [09:33] seb128: shall I leave the "target milestone" empty? [09:34] yes [09:34] ok [09:34] done [09:36] good [09:44] seb128: since bug 345244 is fixed upstream, we just wait for a new tarball instead of sponsoring the fix? [09:44] Launchpad bug 345244 in totem "Plugin "Subtitels downloader" can't be activated" [Low,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/345244 [09:44] pitti: you can sponsor the fix, new tarballs are in 3 weeks [09:44] pitti: we can give testing to fixes before that [09:44] seb128: ack, doing [09:44] thanks [09:49] seb128: I don't think that the transient unlock breakage in bug 345107 is too bad, but it seems you'd rather want to stall the upload? [09:49] Launchpad bug 345107 in gnome-screensaver "Please, sponsor gnome-screensaver 2.26.0 to jaunty" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/345107 [09:50] pitti: well, it means that users will have no way to go back to their session [09:50] pitti: ie they are good to power down the box with everything they have open running [09:51] seb128: if all else fails, the postinst could killall gnome-screensaver? [09:51] that's a very big hammer, though [09:51] that would unlock locked sessions while the user might be not there [09:51] which is a security concern [09:51] that would leave the user without screensaver at all until reboot [09:52] it's not unusual to let the computer do the upgrade while being away [09:54] true that [09:56] I would really prefer to get that bug fixed before doing the upgrade [09:56] I'm really not comfortable with that issue [09:56] seb128: ack [09:56] seb128: taking bug 341487 [09:56] Launchpad bug 341487 in avant-window-navigator "'don't cover the bar' options doesn't work" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/341487 [09:56] pitti: thanks ;-) [09:56] I'm fighting bug log and help gvfs upstream to debug some smb issue right now [09:59] asac: I just talked to a old friend who is pretty computer literate and tried ubuntu for the first time. for him network-manager was a bit of a challenge because under windows its the right-click that shows the available wireless networks. so he clicked right and searched and searched and did not find it. have you seen similar problems? [10:04] mvo: hmm. [10:05] mvo: i havent done much usability testing here ;) [10:05] asac: I was just curious if someone reported a bug [10:06] asac: probably not something we can do for jaunty, but might be worthwhile to consider for karmic [10:08] mvo: yeah, but not sure how to best do it. I think dx plans to do some user experiments. [10:09] mvo: but the fact that he found the wireless disconnected icon means that its not that bad ;) ... at least he got it almost right [10:11] mvo: so one idea i could think off is to make the connection editor more powerful, so you can also connect from there [10:12] meaning users that dont left click find the "Edit Connections" (maybe "Manage Connections") and then can configure and directly connect in the dialog [10:25] asac: yeah, I was thinking the same. if edit connections would be more powerful === asac_ is now known as asac [10:46] pitti: regarding nautilus-share, i accidentally uploaded a wrong patch. diff'd the wrong thing in git [10:57] asac: I reported #351487 about it (just FYI) [10:57] mvo: cool ;) [10:59] pasted my input there [10:59] thanks [11:08] asac: news on network-manager for hardy? (sorry to be a pain) [11:08] s/to be/ for being/ [11:09] tseliot: what do you want? 0.7.1? [11:10] asac: yep [11:10] i think you can be happy that we didnt upload that there [11:10] there has been breakage now and then [11:10] i will wait till its final ;) [11:10] hopefully soonish [11:11] asac: the only reason why we need it is for this https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/chelsea/+bug/327247/ [11:11] Error: This bug is private [11:11] :-/ [11:13] ok, let's wait for the final release [11:16] tseliot: hopefully will happen this week ;) [11:16] if it doesnt happen you can be lucky you dont have it yet [11:16] asac: ah, so very soon [11:16] good [11:16] as it means we founda nother bad issue ;) [11:17] we wanted to release 0.7.1 final 3 three weeks ago [11:17] but there were bad regressions in some part of modem detection [11:17] ok, so you took some time to fix the regressions [11:19] fair enough [11:19] seb128: hm, so I should or shouldn't upload bug 270644? [11:19] Launchpad bug 270644 in gnome-games "Sudoku crashes on startup" [Unknown,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/270644 [11:20] pitti: just do it, I was going to do it because it's ready for upload I added the comment just to point that it's not worth backporting small changes [11:20] seb128: ok, doing then [11:20] * seb128 hugs pitti [11:20] * pitti hugs seb128 back [11:20] I'm almost done catching up with my bug emails [11:21] nice [11:21] * pitti didn't even start with them yet [11:32] ArneGoetje: hey, could you have a look at why current language packs in jaunty have no evolution-data-server-2.26 [11:32] they seem to still have -2.24 for evolution-data-server and evolution-exchange [11:33] where current are 2.26 [11:34] seb128: I'll check later [11:35] ArneGoetje: thanks [12:03] pitti: so DeviceKit is even more no-more now [12:04] DeviceKit-* will talk to udev directly [12:04] (not even via dbus) [12:04] Keybuk: oh, not even in udev-extras? [12:04] oh-uh [12:04] no, we finally read the book on netlink [12:04] and discovered that udev can, once it has processed the event, send a message *back* on the netlink socket [12:05] so it does that [12:05] Keybuk: I don't see a new DK-power release [12:05] which means anything can open the uevent netlink socket, switch to udev's multicast group, and receive uevents post-udev-processing [12:05] if there is one soon, I'd like to update that in universe and remove the devicekit package [12:05] this is all karmic stuff [12:06] Keybuk: you loose all the support for multiple types, argument marshalling, etc., though? [12:06] we won't have the udev that does this until then, I'm intending to not upgrade it between now and release ;) [12:06] ah, ok [12:06] I just leave them like they are then [12:06] pitti: DeviceKit doesn't really have multiple types now [12:06] they work right now, with the g-p-m in the -desktop PPA [12:06] *nods* [12:08] interesting juggle [12:14] indeed [13:07] mvo: I realise this is the most silly of issues, but do you know if I can make it so the desktop background *also* moves when I switch viewports? :p [13:07] the whole "windows vanishing while the desktop and panel stay where they were" thing, while clever, is really freaking me out :p [13:11] * Keybuk figures it out [13:18] Keybuk: you can get the old behaviour back if you go to ccsm and go to "wall" and remove the non slidding windows there === agateau_ is now known as agateau [13:30] seb128, ping [13:31] hggdh: hi [13:32] hi seb128, with libpst accepted, should I open a MIR for it? [13:32] yes please [13:32] k will do [13:33] thanks [13:33] and sorry you got so much trouble getting it reviewed [13:33] pitti: i see ekiga source has been uploaded, but it isn't built [13:33] kenvandine_wk: ah, I bet it needs some NEWing, let me look [13:33] replacing an existant lib by an another codebase is not a common scenario ;-) [13:33] heh [13:34] just my luck, very first package had to be a complex issue [13:35] kenvandine_wk: hm, nothing in NEW; ptlib is current on all arches, and opal on all but armel [13:35] kenvandine_wk: (did you get an FTBFS mail for opal/armel?) [13:35] * kenvandine_wk looks [13:35] kenvandine_wk: ah, it's building right now [13:35] kenvandine_wk: seems slangasek just NEWed those some hours ago [13:36] ok [13:36] great [13:36] kenvandine_wk: ok, opal/armel is just "needs building", not ftbfs [13:38] pitti: where can i look to see build status? [13:41] kenvandine_wk: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/opal -> click on topmost version [13:42] oh [13:42] ok [13:42] i see === thunderstruck is now known as gnomefreak [15:06] seb128: hm, for a few days now, using gpg invokes "pinentry" and it doesn't remember the passphrase for very long [15:06] seb128: is that an intended change? [15:06] not that I know [15:07] seahorse didn't change recently that I know [15:08] rickspencer3: pidgin still crashing? === bluesmoke_ is now known as Amaranth [15:36] seb128: wrt bug 339337 I just wanted to make sure it was noticed that sudoku no longer needs numpy i 2.26. The comments suggest that you are holding back on removing numpy for sudoku. (numpy was needed up to 2.25.92) [15:36] Launchpad bug 339337 in gnome-games "gnome-sudoku uses python-numpy which is not installed by default" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/339337 [15:37] phomes: thanks for the comment we did remove the depends on numpy the comment was to raise that it created an issue there [15:37] phomes: we didn't add the depends back but planned to see what was required for sudoku, good that you tackled this one ;-) [15:42] seb128: I have removed the dependency on gnomeprint on trunk. It's a rather invasive change but since it is the only dependent app on gnomeprint it might be interesting. [15:42] phomes: that's already in jaunty [15:42] phomes: but thanks again ;-) [15:43] seb128: oh. You guys are quick :) [15:43] phomes: well it was the only thing still using libgnomeprint that's why I pinged on the upstream bug [15:43] robert_ancell backported the change some days ago [15:44] the print result is a bit less nice than the libgnomeprint one but closer of what you have on screen [15:46] seb128: yes. I was planning to adjust that a bit. Should I ping you guys if I make patches to make it nicer upstream? [15:47] that would be nice thanks [16:20] didrocks: ping [16:22] jcastro: hey, you should just ask your question ;-) [16:22] heh [16:23] jcastro: do you know if uds invitations have been sent yet? [16:23] I am working on it right now, just got the go ahead to proceed [16:23] they should be out in an hour or so [16:23] when is UDS? [16:23] ok good [16:24] seb128: sometimes people don't fill out email address in lp so I have to go hunt people down. [16:24] *cough* didrocks [16:24] andreasn: may 25-29 [16:24] jcastro, cool. I might come [16:24] jcastro: ok ;-) [16:24] andreasn: ! [16:24] andreasn: I miss you man [16:25] when was the last time we met? [16:25] I was in your country in October, but I can't recall if we met then [16:26] vuntz: hello? ;-) [16:26] jcastro, are you going to GUADEC? [16:27] vuntz: I see that you commited session storing changes to svn [16:27] jcastro: sorry for hiding my e-mail :) you can try didrocks -at- ubuntu.com [16:27] * didrocks hides ;) [16:27] vuntz: is that much different of the patch in bugzilla? did you fix the restart case? [16:27] hey andreasn [16:28] hi dobey [16:28] andreasn: you *should* come to UDS [16:28] didrocks: I found it. [16:29] dobey, lots of stuff happening in May, but yeah, sure, I'll do my best [16:29] heh [16:29] because LGM is in May too I think [16:29] bah [16:29] jcastro: damned, unmasked ;) [16:29] LGM is in canuckland though [16:29] skip LGM and just go to UDS :) [16:30] barcelona > montreal [16:30] seb128: it's a bit better than the patch in bugzilla, but still more or less the same [16:30] seb128: restart/shutdown is not fixed yet [16:30] ok thanks [16:30] so probably not worth doing a svn snapshot yet [16:30] (much harder than what I originally thought, because of ConsoleKit) [16:30] nope [16:31] let me know when you do changes which need testing [16:31] I can snapshot svn to jaunty [16:31] dobey, I hope I can do both in the end [16:31] seb128: fwiw, I'll do a 2.26.0.90 tarball once the restart/shutdown thing is fixed [16:31] excellent thanks! [16:31] andreasn: yeah [16:31] dobey, as LGM is at the beginning of the month anyway [16:32] ah [16:33] where in Canada does Steven Garrity live? [16:36] pedro_: did you look upstream for bug #351347? [16:36] Launchpad bug 351347 in evolution "After renamed the Personal calendar it doesn't retain the new name" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/351347 [16:36] andreasn: PEI i think [16:37] andreasn: yeah, in PEI [16:37] seb128: I'm doing it, bugzilla is taking ages though, haven't forgot about it [16:37] pedro_: ok, cool, I mark the email as read then ;-) [16:38] seb128: ok :-) === jtisme is now known as jtisi [16:44] asac: do you know the status of the strings for bug 338389? [16:44] Launchpad bug 338389 in network-manager-applet "flip connected message and ssid in wireless device" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/338389 [16:45] kenvandine_wk: we flipped them, but there is an issue with missing icon === jtisi is now known as jtisme [16:45] not sure where this question comes from ;) [16:45] :) [16:45] talking to the dx guys, they are looking for status on the strings... if we are still waiting for translations, etc [16:47] mtp: png [16:48] mpt: ping [16:56] * kenvandine_wk -> lunch [18:33] * pitti -> Taekwondo, cu tomorrow [18:44] darn [18:51] mpt: hey [18:52] hello Bojhan [18:52] mpt: Hehe, hard time catching you. How are you doing? [18:52] Bojhan, crazy busy as usual [18:53] mpt: Hehe, I know the feeling [18:54] mpt: Well if you have any time, I would love to catch up a bit on ubuntu's efforts around ux and see how Drupal is similair and diffrent. [18:54] sure, now's good [18:55] mpt: oke great, so basicly all I know of your article, and I have been using it as ground work for a lot of improvements around our process [18:57] neat [18:58]