[01:34] <ethana2> I'm trying to use maximus from Jaunty repos
[01:34] <ethana2> It's not removing window title bars when they're maximized
[01:34] <ethana2> I avoided it before for this same reason, but I've changed the way I think about the 2d ui since that time
[01:34] <ethana2> How do I remove windows' titlebars?
[01:34] <ethana2> when maximized only I guess
[03:22] <ethana2> many people have entered the room since I asked my question a couple hours ago, so I restate:
[03:23] <ethana2> how do I get maximus to do away with windows' title bars when they are maximized?
[03:23] <ethana2> (or all the time would be fine too)
[03:31] <untoldone> hi -- i was wondering if anyone had gotten the egalax driver from eeti working on 8.10 mid
[03:32] <untoldone> the TouchKit app/Draw test works fine -- but it doesnt seem to work on the desktop
[03:32] <untoldone> ive noticed that both the evtouch and egalax drivers are loaded in the xorg.0.log but i don't any config related to evtouch in xorg.conf
[03:35] <untoldone> sometimes the pointer jumps rapidly between the correct location and an incorrect location (both locations move as i move my finger across the screen)
[03:47] <untoldone> i also tried to remove xserver-xorg-input-evtouch from startup -- and xorg still loads the evtouch drivers
[03:49] <untoldone> can't uninstall xserver-xorg-input-evtouch because ubuntu-mid depends on it
[04:04] <untoldone> on inspecting with xinput -- both devices exist -- "egalax" has values that seem correct while "EVTouch TouchScreen" seems to not ...
[04:05] <untoldone> i guess the question here is -- what is causing evtouch to load?  There is nothing in xorg.config that does it.
[04:57] <ethana2> looks like maximus now takes no command line arguments
[04:57] <ethana2> blast
[04:58] <ethana2> an argument to determine whether maximized apps got to keep their title bars would be good.
[04:58] <ethana2> 'cause I've been frustrated by it both ways now
[05:26] <untoldone> fixed my problem for those who were wondering -- i had assumed fdi files in /usr/share/hal/fdi were files that were not loaded by hal and had to be copied to /etc/hal/fdi in order to work ... turns out files from /usr/share/hal/fdi are loaded -- the pacakge xserver-xorg-input-evtouch placed a hal config file there for egalax touch screens
[05:26] <untoldone> removing that file solved my problem
[05:37] <ethana2> I wonder if I could find an old version of maximus
[05:37] <ethana2> I should try the Intrepid version
[06:44] <ethana2> I have found that it behaves like what I want if the session is started after the daemon is launched
[06:45] <ethana2> ..unfortunately, even with windows' menu bars flush against the top edge of the screen
[06:45] <ethana2> they don't work with Fitt's law
[06:45] <ethana2> for some reason windows apps do though, in wine 
[06:45] <ethana2> notably google earth 5 compiled with winelibs
[06:45] <ethana2> that top pixel row is very important
[06:45] <ethana2> must be clickable
[06:47] <ethana2> http://i44.tinypic.com/s2sh7r.png
[06:47]  * ethana2 out
[13:06] <atari> hi
[13:10] <atari> does UMPC use the normal i386 packages of ubuntu?
[13:13] <NCommander> atari, yes, but UMPC is only available in Intrepid (its gone in Jaunty)
[13:13] <atari> ahok
[13:13] <atari> so i have to use UNR?
[13:13] <NCommander> atari, are you currently using Intrepid or Jaunty?
[13:14] <atari> currently i have intrepid (UNR apps installed). but i want to update to jaunty
[13:14] <atari> i'll do a complete reinstall
[13:15]  * NCommander is told Jaunty UNR is quite nice
[13:16] <atari> yeah ;)
[13:16] <atari> but is it using normal i386 packages?
[13:17] <atari> i had problems with flashplayer etc... that's why i took a normal ubuntu
[13:17] <NCommander> Both UMPC and UNR use normal i386 packages
[13:17] <NCommander> MID uses lpia, but it is possible (with some pain) to get a MID that uses i386
[13:18] <atari> ah
[13:18] <atari> i had exactly that lpia problem...
[13:18] <NCommander> (I fixed ubuntu-mid early in the cycle to work on i386, but the main issue is that our CD build system doesn't generate a ubuntu-mid-i386 image)
[13:18] <NCommander> hrm
[13:19] <NCommander> I thought the flashplugin on LPIA issue was resolved
[13:19]  * NCommander pops open the partner repo
[13:21] <NCommander> atari, its available for lpia
[13:21] <NCommander> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+source/adobe-flashplugin
[13:21] <NCommander> Its in the partner repo thouh
[13:21] <atari> i dont want lpia ;)
[13:21] <NCommander> *though
[13:21] <NCommander> Ah, thats a completely seperate and valid issue ;-)
[13:23] <NCommander> atari, so what do you specifically what?
[13:26] <atari> NCommander: i want a normal ubuntu with the UNR options/look with a i386 base 
[13:26] <NCommander> Then just install the current UNR packages, they are i386 based
[13:27] <atari> cool :)
[13:27] <atari> i'll try it this evening ;)
[13:51] <atari> what should i use as root? 4GB, 8GB or 16GB?
[21:23] <atari> how can i enable virtual desktopss/screens on ubuntu netbook remix? (jaunty)
[21:26] <atari> ah
[21:26] <atari> got it :)