[00:00] ok [00:01] if i cant get the system running then i will use that as a resort [00:01] but im used to ubuntu [00:01] and am used to that [00:02] whats the problem? [00:02] the mouse doesnt even move within 10 seconds [00:03] open a terminal and run the top command [00:04] top is like taks manager [00:04] ok [00:04] I just got told off for being 'off topic' , was about to argue and then realised I was in ubuntu and not xubuntu lol [00:04] task^ [00:04] should i use ctrl alt f2? [00:04] UKGent u were told off for trolling if i remember correctly [00:04] but i might be wrong [00:04] zek even funnier because it really was not intentional [00:05] yes you are right [00:05] CloseYetFar: should i use ctrl alt F2? or F1 or something? [00:06] for what ? [00:06] opening a terminal [00:06] run the gui, even if it takes a while [00:06] you can [00:06] ok [00:06] I would just open a term in the gui [00:06] and watch top as I do stuff [00:07] is there a shortcut to open the terminal by default or to run an app? [00:07] my tail is firmly between my legs... I have been having trouble with my xfce Desktop - Panels kept disappearing but I seem to have sorted it out now. [00:08] i think if you right click on the desktop there is a short cut there [00:08] ok [00:08] ill try that once it loads [00:08] it is taking a while to switch from F2 to F7 [00:08] or click the mouse on the tool bar [00:08] your laptop is 700 mhz? [00:09] yeah [00:09] ibm thinkpad a20m [00:09] that should be fine [00:09] 128mb ram [00:09] hmm thats kind of low [00:09] i know [00:09] it may be constantly swaping [00:09] would i be better off with debian? [00:10] i might just go ahead and install that [00:10] is the hard drive light on constantly [00:10] pretty much [00:10] i used to have an older version of xubuntu running and that worked out ok [00:10] actually let me check and make sure both ram sticks are in ok [00:11] you can use the free command [00:11] cause i took them out and put them back in and i thought i had 256 but i wasnt sure [00:14] i would at least figure out the exact problem be fore you start doing reinstalls [00:17] yeah [00:17] people in another forum thought that 128 might be a little weak for xubuntu [00:18] Once installed, Xubuntu can run with 192 MB RAM, but 256 MB RAM is strongly recommended [00:18] yeah [00:18] got that from wikipedia [00:18] thanks for ur help] [00:19] np [00:19] i think its just too weak [00:19] so im going to try pure debian [00:19] can you get more ram for it [00:19] from a net install [00:19] yea [00:19] i might be able too but its just for programming a robot for a college class project [00:19] basically its usefull because it has a RS232 serial port [00:20] ohh [00:20] To solve my problems with disappearing panels, I started up a Terminal and typed in xfce4-panel. The panels then duly appeared but if you close the terminal window they disappear again. I have sorted our the panel problem now but I am curious. When you type that in, does it activate a procedure that just keeps running or what? [00:20] in that case install debian with no gui [00:20] i might actually do that [00:20] then do apt-get install fluxbox [00:20] im not sure yet [00:20] because i am not a pro with cmd line [00:20] fluxbox is faster then xfce4 [00:21] but yeah [00:21] ill try fluxbox [00:21] but fluxbox is a very minimal gui [00:21] check google images to see what it looks like [00:21] ok [00:21] is it the dsl gui? [00:22] i think dsl uses fluxbox but theres is set up differently [00:22] ok [00:22] have u ever heard of lxde? [00:22] nope lol [00:22] hm its an option for my debian install [00:23] thats cool, but fluxbox will still be faster [00:24] yeah [00:24] ill have to install that after [00:24] the graphical user install interface is flying though [00:24] me gusta [00:25] why thats installing i did have another question [00:25] wait [00:25] sorry [00:25] i have to get off so i can do the net install [00:25] lol [00:25] ok lol [00:25] yea [00:25] thanks for all ur help [00:25] no problem [00:31] what's the beta's chan? [00:34] anyone? [00:34] lol [00:54] CloseYetFar: i installed a cmd line [00:54] but im having trouble installing anything [00:55] do you want to install fluxbox? [00:55] yeah [00:56] do "apt-get install fluxbox fluxconf" [00:56] it said E: Couldnt find package fluxbox [00:57] i opened up my sources.list [00:57] and i have lenny/updates [00:59] do "apt-get update" [00:59] then try again [00:59] ok [00:59] ill need to get offline [00:59] ill be back i a few minutes [00:59] yea the laptop needs to be online [01:13] its almost like im not getting online [01:13] im at a university [01:13] when i ping google it pings through a purdue server or something [01:13] do u use a proxy? [01:14] i dont know [01:14] i didnt think so [01:14] but i cant run apt-get update [01:15] maybe you need to configure a proxy [01:15] how would i find out how to do that [01:15] ask in your university [01:16] my university use a proxy [01:16] though when i plug the same connection into my vista machine it works [01:16] is there a way of seeing the settings vista is using [01:16] (and it works just fine on my dual boot ubuntu / vista) [01:18] forces: does it have anything to do with connection-specific DNS Suffix? [01:19] forces: in my connection settings in firefox i have no proxy selected [01:19] does that mean i dont have a proxy? [01:20] does not have configure a proxy [01:20] can you surf in internet? [01:20] on my pc [01:20] not the laptop im installing debian to [01:21] i can ping google.com [01:21] but it goes through purdue server i think [01:25] forces: it changed my nick, i dont think i have my apt sources correct [01:29] so.. edit and correct [01:44] what jvm should i use? when start eclipse I get a warning about GCJ (on ubuntu). [02:09] hi all, having a devil of a time getting ubuntu to give me all of the resolutions that this sony vaio fx120 laptop (pIII) is capable of doing. Any suggestions? [02:10] anyone know a remote admin tool for ubuntu [02:11] to admin and view files [02:45] Good evening. Can anyone tell me how to get Xubuntu 8.4/8.10 to mount Fat32 IDE partitions? Using it in Live CD mode, it only recognizes USB drives, not IDE [02:47] anyone awake? [02:52] Oh well... some other time then [03:02] How do I view the network in xubuntu ? [03:03] smb:// , etc [03:09] Where is the pictures folder located? [03:19] My screen saver never starts under xubuntu evern though i told it to [03:28] If you use a VM what client do you use? [03:31] it appears that Thunar doesn't come with a network browser by default ? [03:32] no thunar doesn't and most i tried didn't only konqueror did [03:32] So I need to install a special non-XFCE program to view my home network ? [03:32] gesh [03:33] what does GNOME use ? [03:33] I still have ubuntu desktop installed [03:34] I'm not sure about that and gnome uses nautilus [03:34] nautulius or something ? [03:34] yep exactly [03:34] yeah, that works [03:34] crazy [03:35] kde uses konqueror or dolphin and I personally like dolphin better but konq has web browser and network management built in [03:36] I can't stand KDE [03:36] or full blow [03:36] do you or anybody you know use a VM in linux? [03:36] blown [03:36] Virtualbox [03:36] i don't like how kde runs but kde4 is beautiful [03:37] i like how gnome and xfce work much better [03:37] GNOME didn't run all that much better, specially for running FireFox [03:38] It seems that FireFox can browse the network [03:38] thanks for the vm info. I used MS's virtual thing inside windows but that only supports windows so no linux in that :( [03:38] if I don't wanna use nautilius [03:39] I never really used gnome for extended periods of time just as rescue. I used xfce all the time though [03:40] yes, I'm thinking about removing the ubuntu desktop [03:40] brb [03:40] well konq won't work in gnome. I guess you could enable kde services in xfce and install konq then [03:55] how can I add a program to run on start up? [03:57] anybody try windows 7 in a vm? I don't really wanna install a beta from MS [03:57] it works just not very well [03:57] it only runs well in ms vm [03:59] dang. I can't do that the way I want then. I guess I can run an XP/Xubu dual-boot with 7 in a vm on XP [04:00] You can try it will boot [04:00] it just wont be happy [04:00] anybody use a pc to run osx86? In a VM or for real? [04:02] I can't afford a mac so I wanna do this a little. I guess I might have to try it. I don't wanna buy the laptop and have it not work though. [04:02] I havent done it but there are instrcutions available [04:02] hackintosh [04:04] yeah I am looking at a guys compaq and it isn't listed in any compatability list but there isn't much in the lists [04:07] this is true OSX 10.5 but it is on a pc. Apple gave out the files to do it themselves. [04:13] shouldnt be much on this list [04:13] Mac only write driver for hardware they plan to use [04:14] Dont suppose you know how to make xubuntu login to my wifi automagically upon boot [04:15] yeah but there are actually a lot of things on there. There are only a couple of compaqs there [04:15] and about the wifi mine does connect automatically and i didn't do anything [04:15] mine asks for a keyring pw first [04:16] well my ps3 does [04:16] when i typed in the password the 1st time it asked to remember and i said yes and it worked [04:17] then again i usually had ethernet in and wifi on but wireless was blinking so i think it was wifi [04:19] !ati [04:19] For Ati/NVidia/Matrox video cards, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto [04:20] mood: why'd you bring up video cards? You need help on it or you trying to help somebody else? [04:21] SML1226: video card reference was for me. apologies for appearing to be part of the thread [04:23] video cards a problem in linux? ! I have never heard of such a thing! [04:24] [/sarcasm] [04:25] mood: ok just wondering. thanks for the reply [04:26] lg11: you figure out anything with wifi? is it only on logon or constant? my ps3 started asking me constantly and never stopped. it said couldnt connect but when I opened firefox it worked fine [04:46] I installed wicd [04:47] worked fine after that [04:53] CloseYetFar: i got it working thanks [05:03] ohh yea [05:03] cool [05:23] I got an annoying popup whenever i login that tells me "Your session only lasted less than 10 seconds..." when i view details (~/.xsession-errors) i see stuff like this: "/usr/bin/xmodmap: unable to open file '/usr/share/apps/kxkb/ubuntu.xmodmap' for reading" [05:24] and this: "** (xfce-mcs-manager:5974): WARNING **: display_plugin: Unable to configure display resolution" [06:41] Is it possible to install something like microsoft silverlight ? [06:43] never mind , I found "moon light". [06:43] yet still doesn't work, oh well [06:56] :P [07:08] is this true [07:08] do you have to accept and keep cookies for the settings to stay there DIzzIEe ? [07:08] no [07:08] why is it [07:08] that when I go back to Global storage settings [07:08] wtf... "+l 420" ? [07:08] * sether removes user limit [07:08] it has the "allow third-party flash content..." is checked again [07:08] because youre a tard whos fucking something up [07:08] no [07:08] flash player doesnt remember fucking settings through motherfucking web cookies [07:09] wtf? [07:09] I did not fuck any thing up [07:09] why does it for get it [07:09] when I go back to the page ? [07:09] it doesnt [07:09] why is it still checked [07:09] or youve been haxed [07:09] serves you right for having flash playerinstalled [07:09] http://www.macromedia.com/support/documentation/en/flashplayer/help/settings_manager03.html [07:10] pastebin that next time instead of spamming the channel... [07:11] okay [07:14] as for asking about Flash, why don't you ask Adobe... I have no idea [07:15] btw, did you have a real question/problem? It might be better to start with your actual problem instead of posting half a conversation about a settings manager (whatever that is) [07:43] nevermind zoredache [07:43] I found out what it was [07:43] k [07:43] it was because I did not have the settings .sol file protected with the betterprivacy addon [07:44] so it did not save the information to that file [07:44] I see [07:44] now it does === zoredache_ is now known as zoredache [07:44] since I have selected it to be protected [07:44] I do not trust adobe so I will still used that addon just in case I some how still get flash cookies [07:45] why use flash at all? [07:45] why do you use? [07:46] I know you can watch them with out flash [07:46] when you download them [07:46] but I do not trust download helper [07:46] and they are getting more tricker and tricker with downloading them by hand [07:46] I don't use flash except on a few sites like youtube, amazon, and pandora [07:47] I see [07:47] do you use download helper / [07:47] for what? [07:47] to download flash videos [07:47] from sites [07:47] most of what I want is from youtube, and miro or youtube-dl does just fine [07:48] I do not like miro [07:48] either that or I simply look at the youtube api directly [07:48] it takes up way to many resources [07:48] you don't have to use it as the player... [07:48] how do you do that? [07:48] I use more than just youtube though [07:52] why are you guys worried about flash player so much [07:52] I am not worried about it at all... I think rocko is being paranoid for some odd reason [07:52] um flash player can track you [07:52] CloseYetFar: it has notorious problems that we can't fix [07:52] ffs, everything on the web trakcs you [07:52] also its cookies are not delete by web browsers [07:53] if you don't want to be tracked turn of the computer [07:53] you no what can track you a million times better then flash player, google!! [07:53] Unfortunately, few consumers are aware of where Flash cookies are stored or how to control their use. Normal web cookies can be managed via the preferences dialog of most web browsers, but no similar utility is included for these Flash cookies. It is possible for Flash cookies to remain on user's computer indefinitely, as there is no mechanism to set an expiration date on Flash cookies. [07:53] http://epic.org/privacy/cookies/flash.html [07:54] rocko: can we help you with any problems with xubuntu? [07:54] there are risks in installing anything from binary [07:56] rocko if you that worries i would recommend switching to openBSD, its much safer then ubuntu [07:56] opps ^ if that worries you [07:57] CloseYetFar: safer in what way? [07:57] how is openbsd safer? [07:57] just because it says so [07:57] does not mean it is [07:57] just about every software says stuff like that [07:57] well its designed from the ground up to be the most secure out of the box OS [07:57] for example [07:57] firefox [07:58] yes I know about openbsd [07:58] !enter | rocko [07:58] rocko: Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation! [07:59] why [07:59] now openBSD is no where near as user friendly or easy to use, bu thats the trade off [07:59] does it matter [07:59] rocko: not becuase 'they' say so, but because lots of indepentant people have reviewed it and said so [07:59] I see [07:59] I know that about openbsd [08:00] well the first statement before zoredache [08:00] or gentoo and build your system from the ground up [08:00] that takes a while [08:00] I do not like gentoo that much [08:00] I recommend using openbsd if you use a laptop [08:00] and want to try one of the bsds out [08:01] start with freebsd, its the easyest [08:01] most development of openbsd is done on laptops so that is probably way [08:01] um [08:01] guys, this is a support channel, really [08:01] freebsd did not work on my laptop [08:01] the only bsd that worked on my laptop was openbsd [08:02] its funny that about half of the questions in here have nothing to do with Xubuntu [08:02] um you can use flash with xubuntu [08:02] people lurk here to help others out, not to read four screenfuls of ranting in the scrollback [08:02] so how is that unrelated ? [08:03] how do I enable remote viewer? [08:03] because you aren't asking about how to use flash on xubuntu... you are talking cookies [08:03] um [08:03] !x11vnc [08:03] Sorry, I don't know anything about x11vnc [08:03] it has to do with using flash on xubuntu [08:03] remote desktop viewer? [08:03] n2diy: you want to log in from your xubuntu, or into it? [08:03] how is it different [08:04] rocko: please continue at #xubuntu-offtopic [08:04] no ones there [08:04] lol [08:04] practically [08:05] rocko: so? you two can still talk there [08:05] I see [08:05] TheSheep: I have this Xubuntu box, and downstairs, I have a Ubuntu box. I can view the Ubuntu box down stairs, but this box refuses to let the box dowsstairs view this one. [08:05] we all know how to use ignore but I am going to stop my conversation here now [08:05] okay [08:05] good day [08:06] i use xtightvncviewer [08:06] n2diy: you need to install and start the vnc server, it's not enabled by default [08:06] rocko: see you [08:06] n2diy: you would want to install something like x11vnc [08:06] !vnc [08:06] VNC is a protocol for remote desktop. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNCOverSSH describes how to use it securely. It works best over fast connections, otherwise look at !FreeNX [08:06] what you mean by that TheSheep ? [08:06] hmm... we don't have a factoid, because it's installed by default on ubuntu [08:06] then tightvncserver on the machine you wish to access remotly [08:07] TheSheep: ok, I've done that. On Ubuntu you can go to a menu and enable remote viewer, I can't find that here, can it be done on the CLI? [08:08] n2diy: try enabling it in system->services [08:08] ok [08:09] TheSheep: no options there for Remote Viewer? [08:10] n2diy: you can install the gui thingy from ubuntu, but I'm not sure how it's called [08:11] TheSheep: ok, I've installed a client and server, and hoped that was all I needed, but I guess I need to dig deeper? [08:11] n2diy: not sure, the server should be configured out of the box, you just start it [08:13] i would look in /etc/init.d [08:13] for the vnc server, then do ps aux to see if its running [08:13] TheSheep: yes, I guess I need to run it from the cli? I was hoping it would give me a menu option? [08:15] TheSheep: I just ran vncviewer, without any connect info, and now it wants to know what server to connect to. Would that be the remote box, which I can connect to anyway? [08:15] yes [08:15] feed it ip:1 [08:16] ip is the ip of the remote box [08:17] TheSheep: , CloseYetFar, ok, but that isn't the problem, this box can view the other box, but this box won't let the other box view it. [08:18] does "this box" have a vnc server running? [08:19] CloseYetFar: yes [08:20] CloseYetFar: yes, I think, it is installed, but I'm not sure it is running? [08:20] if you know the name of it run "ps aux" in the term and see if its listed [08:22] CloseYetFar: not sure of its name, will ps aux accept wildcards? [08:23] well see if you can find it in /etc/init.d then do "/etc/init.d/servicename start" [08:24] CloseYetFar: roger that. [08:24] /etc/init.d is where all your services are stored [08:28] CloseYetFar: I can't get into init.d, the system keeps dumping me to init.ds? I can see init.d listed under /etc, and I can't see any init.ds,I'm guessing I should be sudo for this? [08:30] hmm its listed but you cant get in? [08:31] what does it say when you do "cd /etc/init.d" [08:32] CloseYetFar: this is getting strange, I can't even get into /etc, it is being listed as /etcs after I do the cd /etc command? WTF is going on? [08:33] I think thats just the prompt or something [08:33] use "pwd" to check your current dir [08:34] CloseYetFar: ok, yes, my prompt could be afu. Let me play somemore. [08:34] lol [08:44] CloseYetFar: ok, no reference to vnc or xvnc in /etc/init.d. I'll have to do some more homework. And the afu command prompt isn't a joke. Back in the DOS days, I used to entertain myself setting up my friends computers so there text was the same color as there backround, adding undesirable text to ther command prompt etc.. So this maybe paybacks? [08:45] lol ok good luck [08:47] CloseYetFar: thanks, same to you. [08:47] np [09:52] hello [09:53] i need a link to the xubuntu desktop guide [09:53] the official link seems to be down [09:53] https://help.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/desktopguide/C/index.html [09:54]