[00:00] <smarter> I'll try to get into contact with that guy and resurrect some parts of Kvkbd
[00:00] <JontheEchidna> astromme: GPL
[00:01] <JontheEchidna> astromme: Also I applied earlier today for a KDE svn account, so maybe in the near future...
[00:01]  * astromme shrugs. If you can't get in contact with the upstream author, just fork it.
[00:01] <astromme> JontheEchidna: Yippie =)
[00:01] <astromme> I might also consider adopting the widget. Or at least applying patches
[00:01] <JontheEchidna> astromme: I plan on putting a weather-aware wallpaper plugin into playground once I get an account
[00:02] <smarter> if that guy managed to properly use qt layouts to looks like a keyboard(instead of the mess of hardcoded stuff in kvkbd :p), it'll make me a lot more motivated to work on it (:
[00:02] <astromme> JontheEchidna: Very cool. Do you have some code now?
[00:03] <JontheEchidna> astromme: Yeah, it's still a bit rough, but it works
[00:03] <astromme> Does the plugin change backgrounds? Or does it apply an overlay depending on the weather?
[00:03] <astromme> I could imagine a really cool plugin where I have my own background, but effects are applied depending on weather
[00:04] <astromme> i.e. raindrops, snow, bright light, outlines of clouds, etc...
[00:04] <JontheEchidna> It pings the dataengine for the weather condition, and paints a QImage of a 1280x1024 wallpaper on the screen depending on the weather it recieves back
[00:04] <JontheEchidna> It uses There is Rain on the Table and some other default KDE wallpapers at the moment :P
[00:05] <astromme> =)
[00:06]  * JontheEchidna waits for pastebin to finish
[00:07] <JontheEchidna> http://imagebin.ca/view/2xLuVFt.html
[00:07] <astromme> smarter: It looks like he's using subwidgets with a bunch of setGeometry() calls in paint()
[00:07] <JontheEchidna> waiting for the other one to paste
[00:07] <astromme> erm, make that subgraphicsitems
[00:07] <smarter> hmmpf
[00:08] <astromme> smarter: http://pastebin.ca/99
[00:09] <JontheEchidna> more interesting screen: http://imagebin.ca/view/mC11HM.html
[00:09] <astromme> erm, wtf
[00:09] <astromme> that was wrong
[00:09] <astromme> smarter:  pastebin plasmoid didn't work
[00:10] <astromme> smarter: http://rafb.net/p/wPUq4F42.html <-- better
[00:11] <astromme> JontheEchidna: I wonder if you could have a number of semitransparent overlays? (in svn, so they could scale)
[00:11] <smarter> ah, that's already a lot better than kvkbd which almost has 5 lines of code per buttons :p
[00:11] <astromme> JontheEchidna: Using an alpha channel, you could then have the overlay for any background you already have
[00:11] <astromme> smarter: ahh, ok =)
[00:11] <JontheEchidna> astromme: That would be interesting indeed
[00:12] <astromme> JontheEchidna: I'm no graphics/art expert, but I could play around with it
[00:12] <JontheEchidna> This was the inspiration: http://creativebits.org/my_dream_app_winner_atmosphere
[00:12] <astromme> alright, cool
[00:13] <JontheEchidna> dunno how feasible the sidebar stuff is though
[00:13] <JontheEchidna> http://creativebits.org/files/atmosphere22-2.jpg
[00:15] <astromme> JontheEchidna: well, you could maybe put it in a sliding panel...
[00:15] <astromme> hmm, or maybe not
[00:15] <astromme> that could be bad
[00:15] <JontheEchidna> yeah
[00:16] <JontheEchidna> Maybe you could have the nice default of weathery wallpapers, with the choice of setting your own
[00:16] <JontheEchidna> plus the weather overlays
[00:17] <JontheEchidna> with an overlay with basic weather info & location
[00:18] <JontheEchidna> but for now I'd like to get all the stuff that's there working
[00:19] <JontheEchidna> like it breaks after you set a different location than the one you first set
[00:19] <JontheEchidna> the preview in the config dialog changes properly, but not the wallpaper itself
[00:19] <JontheEchidna> Maybe I should just push my code somewhere now
[00:19] <JontheEchidna> brb
[00:38] <nixternal> anyone having issues with choqoK?
[00:38] <nixternal> I keep getting like 1,500 tweets in my inbox when they really aren't there
[00:42] <astromme> JontheEchidna: Yeah, pushing it somewhere now would be cool. If it's git, try giterious. If it's bzr, try launchpad. If it's svn... well.. erm
[00:43] <jjesse> nixternal: i am
[00:43] <JontheEchidna> astromme: I'll probably push it to bzr once I get back from the store
[00:43] <jjesse> nixternal: the emails in choqoK are repeated
[00:44] <nixternal> ya, over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over.....
[00:44] <nixternal> and over and over and over :p
[00:44] <nixternal> hahaha
[00:44] <jjesse> haha
[00:49] <nixternal> wtf, 1,106 inbox now
[00:49]  * nixternal shuts of choqoK
[00:50] <nixternal> every minute I am getting over 1,000
[00:50] <nixternal> maybe I should just get rid of my twitter account, though I like communicating with Lance Armstrong, George Hincappie, Levi Leipheimer and other cyclists
[00:51]  * nixternal goes and eats
[01:09] <vorian> nixternal: neversfelde has an updated version in his ppa
[01:12] <JontheEchidna> astromme: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~echidnaman/+junk/weather-wallpaper
[01:12] <JontheEchidna> bzr pull lp:~echidnaman/+junk/weather-wallpaper
[01:12] <astromme> Works with KDE 4.2 and Qt 4.5?
[01:12] <JontheEchidna> yup, developed with both
[01:12] <JontheEchidna> I am too wimpy and too low on hard drive space for parallell trunk/packages install
[01:13] <JontheEchidna> luckily the API can only be added to now that we have binary compatibility for libplasma
[01:13] <astromme> erm? bzr: ERROR: Not a branch: "/home/astromme/Projects/".
[01:13] <JontheEchidna> o.o
[01:13] <astromme> Bzr version 1.13.1
[01:14] <JontheEchidna> hmm, I get that too
[01:14] <astromme> >_>
[01:15] <JontheEchidna> oh
[01:15] <JontheEchidna> duh
[01:15] <JontheEchidna> bzr branch lp:~echidnaman/+junk/weather-wallpaper
[01:15] <JontheEchidna> not pull
[01:15] <astromme> oh, doh
[01:15] <astromme> I was thinking.... does he mean clone? oh, that's git.. no...
[01:15] <astromme> I see =)
[01:15] <JontheEchidna> I was just thinking opposites...
[01:16] <astromme> make; make install worked. Good start =P
[01:16] <JontheEchidna> hehe
[01:17] <astromme> Hmm, where do I select it? I don't see anywhere to select wallpaper plugin
[01:17]  * astromme says.. nvm
[01:17] <JontheEchidna> Appearance settings -> under wallpaper there is a "type" combobox
[01:18] <astromme> Works =). I get a field
[01:18] <astromme> Should I be getting different images when it's dark?
[01:19] <JontheEchidna> it's not that quite elaborate yet, but if the ion returns weather-clouds-night it will do a nice night pic
[01:19] <JontheEchidna> I'm thinking of involving the time dataengine to grab time data
[01:20] <JontheEchidna> There's also probably a ton of weather conditions the code doesn't have an if statement for :P
[01:21]  * astromme imports it as a kdevelop4 project and starts poking around
[01:21] <JontheEchidna> weather-showers-scattered is my current weather, There is Rain on the Table
[01:22] <JontheEchidna> it kDebug's the current weather to the console
[01:23] <astromme> If you wanted to go the route of semitransparent-overlay-only I wonder if you could subclass the normal background code?
[01:26] <JontheEchidna> Like, make WeatherWallpaper::paint it's own class?
[01:26]  * JontheEchidna is bit of a C++ newb, I've done mostly python
[01:27] <astromme> yeah
[01:27] <astromme> erm
[01:27] <astromme> I don't know how the other plugins are set up
[01:27] <astromme> but in theory, couldn't you get all the goodies of the other plugin by subclassing it and then adding on what you need?
[01:27] <JontheEchidna> there aren't that many other ones, I used the pattern wallpaper in playground as an example
[01:28] <astromme> ok
[01:29] <JontheEchidna> From what I can tell init, createConfigurationInterface and paint are the only functions that the plugin is required to implement
[01:29] <astromme> Hmm, on second thought probably not a good idea
[01:29] <astromme> because you'll have to reimplement createConfig..., init, and paint anyways
[01:29] <astromme> It was just that I think that many users might like it as it is now, changing wallpaper based on weather. But for me, it would be more interesting if it only put an overlay on top of my wallpaper to indicate weather
[01:30] <astromme> btw, I think painting a stretched pixmap might work better
[01:30] <JontheEchidna> Yeah, stretched might be better than shipping 40 MB of wallpaper, hehe
[01:30] <jjesse> argh why does kontact crash so much with gmail and imap
[01:31] <astromme> JontheEchidna: well, and you could also depend on the installed wallpapers package
[01:31] <JontheEchidna> I should probably find out how to depend on workspace with CMake
[01:32] <JontheEchidna> Maybe it should load the correct resolution if available, and then fall back to stretched?
[01:33]  * ryanakca kicks his computer and stinking soft-lockups on CPU:#0 :/
[01:33] <astromme> JontheEchidna: not sure if cmake can do that type of dependencies..
[01:33] <astromme> JontheEchidna: yeah, that would be nice
[01:34] <JontheEchidna> Also I need to not rely on getting weather icon strings from the dataengine, since some weather services don't have icons
[01:34] <JontheEchidna> I guess I need to read up on the weather dataengine documentation
[01:34] <astromme> what info does the dataengine give....
[01:34] <astromme> yeah
[01:35] <astromme> What do I call to get the weather?
[01:35] <JontheEchidna> getWeather() should make it get the weather
[01:37] <JontheEchidna> the second time you set a location it stops working though :(
[01:37] <astromme> oh noes =/
[01:37] <astromme> why?
[01:37] <JontheEchidna> I don't know quite yet
[01:37] <astromme> heh
[01:37] <JontheEchidna> if (m_extraData[m_activePlace].isEmpty()) returns empty for some reason
[01:38] <JontheEchidna> and it just sits at the "loading the weather data" wallpaper
[01:38] <JontheEchidna> I am probably doing something funky with the config handling
[01:38] <astromme> Dataengines can be kind of screwy
[01:39] <JontheEchidna> the funny thing is that the preview inside the appearance dialog gets changed to the correct weather
[01:39] <JontheEchidna> but the weathercontent function never gets called to set the new wallpaper name
[01:39] <astromme> I had a lot of trouble when I went to write the rememberthemilk data engine
[01:40] <JontheEchidna> I think this might be the only plugin other than the weather applet (or one of the only other ones) to use the weather data engine
[01:41] <Gon> anyone had problems with NetworkManager plasmoid in jaunty?
[01:43] <JontheEchidna> I did leave the wallpaper plugin on overnight, so I can confirm that updating does work :)
[01:53] <astromme> JontheEchidna: Always a good thing to check =)
[02:26] <nixternal> wtf are the issues with Kubuntu jaunty and Intel graphics? people are bitching, but I can't even come close to experiencing their issues...my shiznit is whicked fast
[02:27]  * vorian agrees
[02:28] <Daskreech> nixternal: ask Notmart
[02:28] <maco> nixternal: rfid credit card?
[02:28] <nixternal> heck no
[02:28] <maco> nixternal: kwin finally lets me use compositing with intel graphics again, yay
[02:29] <nixternal> I have been using it with Intel now for 3+ years
[02:29] <nixternal> never once had a problem
[02:29] <maco> nixternal: ok. if it was rfid, id tell you to talk to hypa7ia in #ubuntu-women
[02:29] <nixternal> though I am using a G31 chipset that totally kicks ass
[02:29] <vorian> my intel hasn't had any issues during this cycle
[02:30] <maco> yeah intel always worked for compiz, but for a few weeks there kwin would enable effects, then throw an error claiming my x config is broken (while effects were obviously workint?!) then disable them
[02:30]  * maco is confused
[02:30] <maco> nixternal: dtchen is yelling something about tople at his computer. what does this mean?
[02:31] <nixternal> depends
[02:31] <nixternal> either he is watch shakira video
[02:32] <nixternal> actually, there is no depends..is he watching shakira videos?
[02:32] <maco> ...no
[02:32] <nixternal> or the candy?
[02:32] <nixternal> actually, that is like tobel or something
[02:33] <maco> "what? i cant sign! ....tople...dont every fscking remove tople on me!"
[02:33] <nixternal> the toothpaste?
[02:33] <nixternal> hahaha
[02:33] <astromme> nixternal: I was having some extreme issues with my X3100
[02:34] <astromme> nixternal: I think it was the combo of experimental Xorg + drivers in a state of transition
[02:34] <astromme> but it was bad, really bad
[02:34] <nixternal> right, there were issues there, but luckily I went right through those with ease
[02:37] <jjesse> quick question; my shift, ctrl, alt, caps lock and tab on my keyboard aren't responding in jaunty, but work fine in my xp virtual machine, any thoughts
[02:38] <maco> nixternal: "glue for pgp and pine" he says...finally answering my "wtf are you talking about?"
[02:39] <maco> jjesse: keymap?
[02:39] <maco> jjesse: ...do they do anything in xev?
[02:39] <jjesse> maco: worked fine at work, shutdown laptop, started back up, no work fine
[02:40] <Daskreech> jjesse: I'm going to do some more reviews on the chapter tonight I hope to finish it
[02:40] <jjesse> Daskreech: awesome havent read the email you sent me yet
[02:40] <Daskreech> I figured
[02:40] <jjesse> maco: for vmware i had to set in /etc/vmware/config xkeymap.nokeycodemap = true
[02:41] <jjesse> to get ctrl alt delete to work
[02:41] <jjesse> but don't know why that would affect the host
[02:42] <jjesse> hrmm ok it is an x issue, when i went into one of the tty's the keys work
[02:50] <maco> jjesse: so about that xkeycodemap...
[02:50] <maco> er, xkeymap, i mean
[02:50] <jjesse> maco: yes i have no idea what happened or how to troubleshoot it
[02:53] <josh-l> are there any kde 4 ftp clients?
[02:55] <jjesse> maco: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=817050 has an answer to run setxbmap
[02:55] <jjesse> no clue what that does but it works
[02:57] <Daskreech> josh-l: dolphin ?
[02:59] <jjesse> konqueror?
[03:01] <Daskreech> save as dialog? :)
[03:03] <jjesse> reboot?
[03:05] <dtchen> jjesse: what did you need about ~/.asoundrc?
[03:05] <dtchen> (since i can't login to identi.ca via openid...)
[03:16] <metellius> jaunty betatester here. something that looks like kpackagekit related icons pops up in the tray every now and then for about a second, and it's very distracting because (1) the whole system tray pops back and forward (2) I don't know what it is and (3) I never get the chance to mouseover it during that one second, and am left with the feeling that the computer is doing something it doesn't want to tell me in the background
[03:18] <metellius> please don't use the tray for temporary processes like this
[03:19] <Daskreech> metellius: when does it happen?
[03:20] <metellius> it happened just now again. so the answer i guess is all the time, around 10 times an hour
[03:20] <nixternal> I am having a block big time writing this presentation on Kubuntu for Friday
[03:22] <metellius> next time I will have the screenshot button ready
[03:22] <dtchen> nixternal: what perspective/approach?
[03:24] <ScottK> metellius: It's a notification that is supposed to be persistent, but isn't due to some kind of KNotification bug.
[03:26] <Daskreech> Is jaunty kde 4.2 trunk ?
[03:27] <metellius> http://imagebin.ca/view/QXV95nZh.html
[03:27] <ScottK> Daskreech: it's 4.2.1 now.  4.2.2 is near to being ready.
[03:27] <Daskreech> downloading something ?
[03:27] <ScottK> I'm pretty sure that's the one that's supposed to be the persistent you have updates available notification.
[03:28] <metellius> it is a 2+ stage icon
[03:28] <metellius> it has what looks like a box right before it
[03:28] <JontheEchidna> I thought we disabled the entire KPK daemon
[03:28] <JontheEchidna> the icon shouldn't show up anymore, I don't think
[03:29] <metellius> I have three packagekit related process running
[03:29] <metellius> jaunty user since the day before yesterday
[03:33] <nixternal> dtchen: I think that might be my problem...can't figure out what the best approach will be right now
[03:34] <Daskreech> jackalope doesn't ship with universe enabled by default?
[03:35] <dtchen> nixternal: try something novel
[03:37] <Daskreech> metellius: other than bounding boxes how do you like it?
[03:37] <metellius> Daskreech: huh?
[03:38] <Daskreech> How do you like jackalope ?
[03:46] <metellius> oh
[03:48] <metellius> well, some problem with the intel driver kind of ruins the whole experience. I've been waiting for all the blocks to fall into place, but it was kind of an anticlimax to now have dri2, gem and uxa acceleration all present in the drivers and experience the worst graphics performance regression since ever
[03:51] <metellius> looked for xorg-indel related performance bugs at launchpad, but there's always some gnome-user saying "oh, I fixed it by removing gnome-yadiyadiyadi", and then the thread gets marked of as a duplicate of some gnome-related problem
[03:52] <metellius> ...but other than this, great. nice to have qt 4.5, upgrade went smooth with only one conflict (my own fault), and things look ok
[03:57] <JontheEchidna> Yeah, everything was supremely awesome until DRI2, I just hope we don't get blamed for "usual Kubuntu suckiness" over it :/
[03:58] <Daskreech> We will
[03:59] <JontheEchidna> We should replace the default ksplash with "Intel drivers suck! Bitch at them!"
[04:01] <Daskreech> I was looking at a blog and they were saying how Kubuntu made KDE looks so bad that Linus switched from Kubuntu to Gnome
[04:01]  * Daskreech facepalm
[04:02] <metellius> JontheEchidna: are you experiencing the same problem?
[04:02] <JontheEchidna> no, but we are getting a crapton of bugs
[04:03] <metellius> I see
[04:03] <JontheEchidna> yeah, the screenshots look pretty bad
[04:03] <metellius> screenshots? I have not artifacts
[04:03] <metellius> just bad performance
[04:04] <JontheEchidna> oh, performance bugs too
[04:04] <JontheEchidna> bug 338669
[04:05] <JontheEchidna> the dupes seem to have all the screenshots
[04:05] <metellius> indeed
[04:06] <metellius> sigh, and intel has been saying that its going to be ok once they have finished all the building blocks. now they have
[04:06] <metellius> i blame them
[04:07] <JontheEchidna> the thing is it also coincided with the Qt 4.5 upgrade
[04:07] <JontheEchidna> so people are going to think it's all Qt's fault
[04:07] <metellius> people are going to think a lot of things
[04:07] <metellius> it's going to be a messy upgrade this time
[04:09] <metellius> i would very much like to test the 2.6.29 kernel with the kernel modechange though. any idea when I might be able to try this with ubuntu?
[04:13] <JontheEchidna> I think there is a PPA somewhere, so it is possible, but I don't know much more
[04:13]  * JontheEchidna out for the night
[04:13] <ScottK> The kernel team does provide upstream kernel packages.  I don't recall where.
[04:13] <dtchen> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa
[04:14] <metellius> thank you
[04:17] <metellius> alright, time to reboot and see if I get any performance boost with 2.6.29
[04:17] <ScottK> I think Gutsy was the last release that I felt all the pieces came together nicely and were good as a whole.  Each one since has had good and some substantial bad point.
[04:28] <metellius> agreed
[04:29] <metellius> seems like there is too much to ask for an artifact-free smooth visual experience these days
[04:43] <ScottK> language-support-translations-en wants to install a whole bunch of new Gnomish stuff.
[04:51]  * Daskreech hated Gutsy
[04:53] <Daskreech> anyone knows if we will be doing hardy -> laconic ?
[04:53] <dtchen> yes
[04:53] <dtchen> err
[04:53] <dtchen> sorry, thought it was another channel
[06:17] <josh-l> is ktorrent still the torrent client for kde 4?
[06:19] <Daskreech> yes
[06:19] <josh-l> thx
[06:20] <josh-l> Daskreech: is there a list somewhere of what apps are part of kde4?
[06:20] <Daskreech> websvn ?
[06:20] <josh-l> ?
[06:20] <Daskreech> userbase.kde.org
[06:21] <josh-l> thx
[08:02] <hunger> Would it be possible to get gnome-user-guide out of the dependecies for language-support-translations-XX/
[08:04] <hunger> That drags in yelp and all kinds of gnome stuff into kubuntu.
[08:05] <Mamarok> is it possible to get rid of pulseautio without it trying to remove half of my KDE?
[08:05] <Mamarok> s/t/d
[08:37] <Tm_T> Mamarok: just disable it, not remove
[08:47] <sabdfl> hey folks, how's the beta looking in kubuntu?
[08:57] <Mamarok> Tm_T: tried to, it still troubles my sound settings, like every other day phonon doesn't see my card anymore and sets default to .
[08:57] <Mamarok> in Intrepid i could remove it and the trouble was gone
[08:57]  * Mamarok really wonders why we have so many Gnome dependencies in KDE
[08:57] <Mamarok> there should be close to none IMHO
[09:00] <a|wen> Mamarok: the only pulse-audio related package i have installed is libpulse0 ... the rest i've been able to keep out
[09:04] <Mamarok> and why would we even need that one?
[09:04] <Mamarok> pulseaudio still shows up in phonon
[09:05] <a|wen> Mamarok: because you have a program installed which is compiled so it can be used with pulseaudio
[09:06] <a|wen> Mamarok: so that one is not one to worry about ... can't make any mess of it by itself :)
[09:07] <a|wen> Mamarok: just re-order stuff in phonon so pulseaudio has lowest priority
[09:10]  * a|wen got his sound working again that way at least
[09:11] <a|wen> Mamarok: uhh, and be sure to purge all the pulseaudio stuff you had install ... removing seems not to be enough for many of them
[09:18] <Mamarok> a|wen: I always purge when I remove something :)
[09:19] <a|wen> Mamarok: i do too :) ... but it's not always i remember to purge the automatically removed packages (the option is too long)
[09:20] <Mamarok> well, that's where synaptic is great, the only gtk app I use with Firefox
[09:22]  * a|wen is a big fan of aptitude
[09:23] <Mamarok> from the usability POV synaptic is the best, I always install it for newbies
[09:23] <Mamarok> but yeah, aptitude is nice
[09:24] <a|wen> we really have a challenge regarding good package managers for kde atm
[09:27] <Mamarok> oh yes!
[09:28] <Mamarok> a nice GUI for aptitude could be an idea, but it has to be easy to use
[09:30] <a|wen> s/ncurses/qt/ :P
[10:02] <Riddell> morning
[10:04] <Riddell> tsk, nobody answered sabdfl's question
[10:36] <metellius> is network-manager not supposed to work by now? I set it to static ip, but nothing happens when I activate it
[10:42] <Mamarok> Riddell: didn't even see he asked something, sry
[10:43] <Mamarok> Riddell: you can tell him it looks good :)
[10:45] <m4v> which qt version is used in 9.04?
[10:46] <freinhard> 4.5
[10:48] <m4v> thanks
[10:49] <freinhard> btw. will 9.04 ship kde 4.2.2
[10:51] <Riddell> it will if people help us package it
[12:02] <Nightrose> nixternal: btw I finally managed to log in in your RTM applet by holding the mouse button while typing the password
[12:03] <Nightrose> klicking any links or stuff in it doesn't work but at least it shows my tasks here now \o/
[12:19] <Mamarok> hi again sabdfl :)
[12:19] <Mamarok> sry we didn't answer the first time around
[12:23] <Mamarok> and beta looks fine for me so far, like it :)
[12:23] <Riddell> ooh, Nightrose and vorian made it into Full Circle Magazine
[12:23] <Nightrose> :) indeed we did
[12:24] <Nightrose> rock!
[12:24] <Mamarok> Riddell: didn't we tell you?
[12:24] <Mamarok> oops :(
[12:24] <Nightrose> kubuntu -> world domination one step at a time :D
[12:24]  * Mamarok wanted to blog about but didn't find time to
[12:26] <Riddell> this deserves a Dot News article
[12:26] <Mamarok> indeed :)
[12:50] <mornfall> JontheEchidna: Hi, you take care of Adept?
[12:50] <mornfall> In Kubuntu that is.
[12:52] <mornfall> JontheEchidna: I have a fix for #175540 ... I'm getting way too much spam about it... : - )
[12:52] <mornfall> (The bug is that RTTI does not work across shared object boundary, a pretty daft problem, really....)
[13:08] <JontheEchidna> mornfall: Yeah, I could prepare a fixed package for adept
[13:09] <mornfall> The question is whether it makes any sense to do that.
[13:10] <JontheEchidna> I don't really like KPackageKit, and Adept is a solid package manager through and through. I imagine there would still be some people who would prefer it over KPackageKit
[13:10] <JontheEchidna> plus there are one or two other minor issues that we have patches for
[13:11] <mornfall> Ok, I'll see if I can get the f-ing RTTI to cooperate.
[13:11] <JontheEchidna> ("Fail" isn't colored red in download view, an unstranslatable string or two)
[13:12] <Gon> mmm
[13:12] <Gon> package search in adept doesn't work like apt-cache search...
[13:13] <mornfall> It's not supposed to.
[13:14] <JontheEchidna> It's really just a matter of the user using filters smartly. I have no trouble finding the package I want
[13:15] <Gon> ie: I tiped "mysql" and I found 2-3 packages, without mysql-server
[13:15] <mornfall> Well, nothing's ever perfect.
[13:15] <Gon> I search for postgres... same thing
[13:16] <Gon> on intrepid works fine :o
[13:16] <JontheEchidna> At least Adept doesn't have "backend timeouts" every 2 minutes when you sysytem is under the slightest bit of load
[13:16] <mornfall> Ah OK.
[13:16] <JontheEchidna> like KPackagekIt does
[14:04] <jjesse> anyone else running jaunty + vmware workstation?  my laptop seems to respond waaaaaayyyyy slower then it did in intrepid running the same  virtual machines
[14:04] <jjesse> slows down only after launching vmware workstation
[14:05] <rgreening> riddell, using update-notifier-kde to report when packages are available is providing inconsistant results. Kpackagekit shows 13 with 2 blocked, while update notifier says 52. As well, when updates are complete update notifier still shows the updates required... inconsistant.
[14:08] <freinhard> why does language-support-translations-de depend on gnome-user-guide-de? shouldn't that be in language-pack-gnome-de ?
[14:09]  * freinhard just wondered why he gut soch a lot of gnome stuff in his update list...
[14:09] <freinhard> s/gut soch/got such/
[14:33] <freinhard> shouldn't the speaker be muted when headphones are plugged in?
[14:33] <rgreening> freinhard: file a package bug and suggest a proper change
[14:36] <freinhard> rgreening: better not. i've no idea about the dependencies of language packs and how that could be solved.
[14:37] <rgreening> freinhard: It shouldn't require a host of gnome deps for sure. I'd still file a bug and ask for a resolution.
[14:37] <freinhard> rgreening: and i don't care about bandwidth and discpace ;) i'll rather find out why my speakers don't get muted as i plug in headphones.
[14:37] <rgreening> I've done similar in recent past and had good response
[14:37] <freinhard> ok, got me, i'll do it ;)
[14:37] <rgreening> :)
[14:38] <rgreening> It's beneficial, cause it does take up valuable CD/DVD space for the distro to be published on.
[14:38] <rgreening> and thats the proper reson to ask fro it to be investigated.
[14:38] <rgreening> :P
[14:39] <rgreening> good luck. let me know if you get stomped on and I'll try and help.
[14:39] <rgreening> you may also want to jump onto the ubuntu-devel channel and see if the package maintainer is around to offer suggestions.
[14:39]  * freinhard jumps
[14:49] <jjesse> anyone able to help me troubleshoot no sound after an upgrade from intrepid to jaunty?
[15:00] <Gon> jjesse: you has been checked volume controls?
[15:01]  * Gon was 0% volume of PCM channel
[15:02] <freinhard> jjesse: well i got the opposite, too much sound after 8.10>9.04
[15:02] <jjesse> Gon: yes i have
[15:06] <jjesse> freinhard: i have no sound at all, whether or not they are muted
[15:07] <freinhard> jjesse: got sound on speakers when i plug in my headphones. found some bugs on lp for intrepid, but not for jaunty, yet...
[15:18] <jjesse> freinhard: i have no sound on speakers or headphones
[15:40] <a|wen> jjesse: and you're not hit by the pulseaudio curse?
[15:40] <jjesse> pulse audio curse?  sorry not understanding
[15:41] <a|wen> having pulseaudio installed seems to mess things up badly for some people... i had no sound for a while because of that
[15:42] <a|wen> could've been pulled in due to a changed recommends on a package you have or something
[15:46] <freinhard> a|wen: having libpulse installed isn't harmfull?
[15:47] <a|wen> freinhard: it's merely af library ... doesn't kill any sound
[15:58] <jjesse> a|wen: should i then remove libpulse?
[15:59] <a|wen> jjesse: no, just look at the packages pulseaudio*
[15:59] <jjesse> a|wen: ok will od
[16:03] <jjesse> i can't find any pluseaudio packages installed according to add/remove
[16:05] <a|wen> jjesse: okay, then that shouldn't be the issue, was worth a shot
[16:09] <a|wen> jjesse: have you tried getting some sound out using mplayer and specifying "-ao alsa" or "-ao oss" ?
[16:09] <jjesse> nope, but i can try
[16:13] <a|wen> if you can get some sound out using OSS you know that the kernel it at least doing some good ...though /dev/dsp is in most cases busy, so you might need to fire up your pc without any graphical interface to test
[16:49] <jjesse> a|wen: been on a phone call but no sound either with mplayer -ao oss or mplayer -ao alsa
[16:50] <a|wen> jjesse: when you do -ao oss do you then get "Can't open audio device /dev/dsp: Device or resource busy" ?
[16:51] <jjesse> no i don't, it seems to be actually playing the file
[16:51] <jjesse> hrmm getting mpayer: cound not connect to socket
[16:53] <JontheEchidna> astromme: latest bzr of weather-wallpaper causes config to not work, but the config situation should be slightly better
[16:53] <blizzz> moin
[16:54] <a|wen> jjesse: hmm, doesn't sound good then... looks to be kernel / driver issues
[16:54] <jjesse> a|wen: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/141520/
[16:54] <JontheEchidna> as in, even if changing to a different location doesn't work, the new location will be set the next time you start Plasma
[16:54] <jjesse> is the output i get from mplayer
[16:54] <JontheEchidna> and the ion config won't get hosed every time
[16:54] <astromme> Ok
[16:55] <JontheEchidna> I should probably include spstarr in on the copyrights since a lot of the config code was based/copied from his plasmoid
[16:55] <a|wen> jjesse: then it get throught and pumps sound into the kernel audio device ... but with no effect it seems
[16:56] <jjesse> yeah bummer aint it
[16:56] <astromme> JontheEchidna: sounds like a good idea, can't hurt anyways
[16:57] <a|wen> jup, desktop with no sound is kind of sad
[17:01] <JontheEchidna> Now I just need to find out why the preview updates but the actual wallpaper doesn't...
[17:02] <jjesse> yeah a desktop with no sound is sad, worked fine in intrepid
[17:04] <JontheEchidna> oh, you may need to re-set the default alsa soundcard
[17:04] <JontheEchidna> try asoundconf list
[17:04] <JontheEchidna> then
[17:05] <JontheEchidna> asoundconf set-default-card YOURCARDGOESHERE
[17:05] <JontheEchidna> your card name coming from the list
[17:05]  * astromme is playing around with Qt Animation Framework
[17:05]  * astromme likes it so far
[17:24] <JontheEchidna> So, I'm an upstream now I guess: http://kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=101968
[17:25] <JontheEchidna> I already was, if you count this :P http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/A+Pimp+Named+Slickback+%28for+the+contest%29?content=77640
[17:25] <Riddell> yay!
[17:26] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: going to put it in revision control?
[17:27] <JontheEchidna> I will probably either put it in bzr, or KDE playground once I get commit access
[17:28] <JontheEchidna> (I applied yesterday, so that should be soonish)
[17:29] <JontheEchidna> The thing is that I doubt that it would ever get out of playground, since FolderView sorta does the same thing, and QuickAccess implements a lot of stuff itself that Plasma does for the sake of effects
[17:29] <JontheEchidna> So it might just end up in bzr
[17:29] <astromme> JontheEchidna: For me it took about 3-4 days
[17:32] <JontheEchidna> I do like QuickAcces in a panel better than folderview in a panel, though :)
[17:35] <JontheEchidna> Whoa, the newest QtCurve has XBar support (not compiled by default)
[17:36] <JontheEchidna> It has some QtWebKit and Arora fixes, so we should probably pick that up
[17:37] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: XBar?
[17:37] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: Bespin's universal mac-style menubar
[17:38] <JontheEchidna> it used to be that you could only use the plasmoid with the Bespin widget theme itself
[17:41] <smarter> yay for arora fixes
[17:41] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: go for it then
[17:41] <smarter> for 0.6, they decided to switch to plastique if oxygen/4.2 is running since it looks so bad :/
[17:42] <JontheEchidna> eew @ plastique
[17:42] <smarter> we could alter it to use qtcurve if it's available
[17:42] <smarter> or backport oxygen fixes
[17:42] <JontheEchidna> Have the pushbuttons been fixed yet?
[17:43] <smarter> no idea
[17:43] <smarter> hmm
[17:43] <smarter> I think it was fixed in webkit itself recently
[17:44] <smarter> but taking a random snapshot of webkit svn and replacing qt webkit by that is probably not a good idea :P
[17:44]  * smarter hopes they update it for 4.5.1
[17:44] <JontheEchidna> lol
[17:45] <JontheEchidna> After I'm done pbuilding the new QuickAccess I'll go for QtCurve
[17:46] <smarter> JontheEchidna: would you be so kind as to update the QDevelop package? :]
[17:46] <smarter> probably needs an FFe
[17:47] <smarter> we have an svn snapshot in the repo, but a stable version was released a few days after the FF
[17:58] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: bug 352516
[17:58] <jussi01> hrm, still having the missin restart and log out button issue...
[18:02] <nixternal> anyone else experiencing nasty graphical bugs in Kontact? I don't get it anywhere else but Kontact
[18:09] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: looking
[18:09] <Riddell> smarter_: in arora why does right click -> copy to clipboard not copy to the X selection clipboard/
[18:10] <Riddell> ?
[18:10] <nixternal> there are a few things in arora that need to be fixed to the way we are used to, copying is one of them
[18:10]  * smarter_ don't have a "copy to clipboard" here
[18:10] <smarter_> If I select some text and right-click, I only get "copy" which gets copied to klipper as expected
[18:11] <Riddell> smarter_: Copy Link Location is what I'm thinking of
[18:12] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: is there anything new in this or is it just tidying up our patches into a new release?
[18:12] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: Just tidying
[18:12] <JontheEchidna> and adding a changelog to the upstream source
[18:12] <JontheEchidna> but other than that, it's just all of our patches
[18:12] <smarter_> Riddell: seems to work here
[18:13] <Riddell> I'll throw it at the archive then
[18:13] <smarter_> you might be experiencing some Klipper weirdness
[18:13] <Riddell> smarter_: Copy Link Location then middle click paste?
[18:13] <Riddell> I'm not touching Klipper
[18:13] <smarter_> oh, I'm doing right-click->paste
[18:13] <smarter_> well, that's bevause middle-click just contains the most recently highlighted text
[18:14] <smarter_> so you don't even have to copy it
[18:14] <smarter_> and with a link, there's nothing to highlight, so nothing get copied
[18:14] <Riddell> mmm, maybe
[18:17] <Riddell> smarter_: ok how about the bug where I sometimes paste a URL into the address bar, press return and it opens in a new tab
[18:17] <smarter_> Riddell: never experienced that, so can't tell :]
[18:18]  * smarter_ will have a look at the tabwidget code soon
[18:18]  * smarter_ bbl
[18:19] <EagleScreen> my laptop has a suspend hotkey and it is not working in Kubuntu 9.04
[18:19] <EagleScreen> it is working well in Ubuntu
[18:19] <EagleScreen> (Gnome)
[18:20] <nixternal> so does mine, and it does work, which I found out earlier...the trick was trying to figure out how to get it to unsuspend
[18:30] <josh-l> hey folks, was about to do a dist-upgrade, but it wants to install a bunch of gnome libs... normal upgrade doesnt, whats the deal with that??
[18:31] <josh-l> what should I do>
[18:31] <JontheEchidna> josh-l: dist-upgrade --no-install-recommends
[18:31] <josh-l> JontheEchidna: ok, but still its kind of odd isnt it ?
[18:32] <JontheEchidna> depends on what you are upgrading
[18:33] <josh-l> JontheEchidna: apparently even with --no-install-recommends apt-get still wants to install a bunch of gnome libs...
[18:33] <JontheEchidna> hmm, what's it upgrading?
[18:34] <josh-l> JontheEchidna: http://paste.ubuntu.com/141588/
[18:35] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: freinhard and I had this discussion on ubuntu-devel earlier today.
[18:35] <JontheEchidna> oh, translations
[18:35] <JontheEchidna> meh
[18:35] <rgreening> cjwatson was looking into it
[18:35] <rgreening> and hopefully going to correct the behaviour
[18:36] <rgreening> josh-l: ^
[18:36] <rgreening> they added gnome-user-guide-* to the package and it pulls in yelp and other stuff..
[18:37] <rgreening> which is the issue
[18:37] <josh-l> rgreening: so i should just wait?
[18:37] <rgreening> I would wait a day... and if not resolved, go poke cjwatson about it.
[18:38] <josh-l> k thx
[18:38] <rgreening> np
[18:39] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: If you have time, bug 352538
[18:47] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: dpkg-source: error: Version number suggests Ubuntu changes, but Maintainer: does not have Ubuntu address
[18:47] <Riddell> I can fix that
[18:49] <nixternal> Riddell: are you sure you can fix that? do you need help with that one there? those are the tough ones ;p
[18:50] <Riddell> nixternal: well if you want to help out, could you make a bzr branch for the fix and I'll review it and consider merging it in
[18:51] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: uploaded
[18:51] <Riddell> nixternal: too late
[19:48] <ubuntu_> Hallo
[19:49] <ubuntu_> KIO stuff works in Jackalope?
[19:49] <ubuntu_> I just opened kmail and it has a link on the default page to info about KMail
[19:49] <ubuntu_> The word documentation is hyperlinked
[19:49] <ubuntu_> It goes to help:/kmail/index.html
[19:50] <jjesse> the documentation might not be installed
[19:50] <ubuntu_> if this doesn't work is it a bug in jackalope or kde ?
[19:50] <ubuntu_> ah
[19:50] <ubuntu_> what package would that be in?
[19:52] <ubuntu_> OK I'll treat it as a kubuntu bug :)
[19:56] <nixternal> anyone in here interested on giving a talk on irc April 23rd at 00:00 UTC about Kubuntu packaging?
[19:56] <a|wen> ubuntu_: do you have the package kdepim-doc installed?
[19:57] <ubuntu_>  MpNo
[19:57] <ubuntu_> no
[19:57] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: congatulations!
[19:57] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: Thanks!
[19:57] <Riddell> !kde rev 947538
[19:58] <JontheEchidna> That would be me :)
[19:58] <a|wen> ubuntu_: try installing that and see if it doesn't work then
[19:58] <a|wen> JontheEchidna: congrats!
[19:58] <JontheEchidna> Hmm, when I try to checkout a directory I get: Permission denied (publickey).
[19:59] <ubuntu_> a|wen: Ah wonderful. I guess it's too large to ship ?
[20:00] <a|wen> ubuntu_: exactly... there is a pretty limited space on a cd for all the applications we want to ship
[20:00] <ubuntu_> HOw wise is it to give people core apps with no documentation ?
[20:01] <ubuntu_> nixternal: Does it make sense to have a virtual package that depends on the docs for the apps that kubuntu ships ?
[20:01] <nixternal> ubuntu_: give me an example so I can follow you better
[20:02] <ubuntu_> Kontact ships without docs
[20:02] <ubuntu_> I'm guessing that quite a few others do as well
[20:02] <a|wen> ubuntu_: better that than missing some important apps completely due to the space limit
[20:02] <apachelogger> Lure: pling
[20:03] <ubuntu_> For someone installing the system for other people who might need docs would it make sense for there to be one package that installs all the docs for the standard apps that kubuntu ships
[20:03] <ubuntu_> That way you save space while still getting essential info across easily
[20:03] <apachelogger> I think the dvd install will pull them in
[20:03] <nixternal> ubuntu_: no it wouldn't, because if someone on gnome wanted kontact docs, they would get all docs
[20:04] <ubuntu_> nixternal: then they wouldn't use the virtual package
[20:04] <nixternal> oh, a virtual package for doing this....hrmm
[20:04] <ubuntu_> Like if they wanted amarok they wouldnt install kubuntu-desktop
[20:04] <apachelogger> the cd solution would be to make kde apps treat the "no-docs" case properly and integrate with distribution provided desktop files to obtain the necessary package
[20:04] <nixternal> why doesn't kontact ship docs?
[20:04]  * ubuntu_ shrugs
[20:04] <ubuntu_> Space I guess
[20:04] <apachelogger> kdepim-docs
[20:04] <ubuntu_> apachelogger: What's the no-docs case ?
[20:04] <apachelogger> the one where there are none installed ;-)
[20:05] <apachelogger> ...which doesn't stop $app from referencing it though
[20:05] <ubuntu_> So they rewrite the HTML files at startup ?
[20:05] <nixternal> apachelogger: the kdepim-doc though is for dev purposes only iirc
[20:05] <apachelogger> nixternal: how so?
[20:05] <nixternal> it is the core library docs for kdepim
[20:05]  * apachelogger notes that kipi's picasaweb export thingy is not working very much
[20:05] <nixternal> it isn't the kontact/kmail/* handbooks
[20:06] <ubuntu_> nixternal: The front page of kmail links to it
[20:06] <apachelogger> nixternal: hm, shouldn't it be libkdepim-doc vs. kdepim-doc then?
[20:06] <ubuntu_> Or default view
[20:06] <ubuntu_>  whatever
[20:06] <apachelogger> ubottu: that is what I meant with $app referencing the unavailable documentation
[20:06] <ubuntu_> There is no libkdepim-doc
[20:06] <nixternal> apachelogger: hrmm, good question
[20:06] <apachelogger> if you go to help -> about you will get redirected to KHC which throws an error at you
[20:07] <ubuntu_> apachelogger: how should the app handle no docs being installed?
[20:07] <nixternal> are there any other libs packages that have the -doc out there?
[20:07] <ubuntu_> redirect to proxy who checks and informs of no docs else lets you see the doc ?
[20:08] <nixternal> apachelogger: kdepim-dev-doc
[20:08] <nixternal> ?
[20:08] <apachelogger> ubuntu_: startup KHC, and KHC then should not throw errors at you as long as there is a desktop file (as deployed with the distribution) indicating a package which needs to be installed to get the required docs
[20:08] <apachelogger> nixternal: probably better ;-)
[20:08] <nixternal> hrmm, our packaging of kdepim isn't installing docs
[20:09] <ubuntu_> apachelogger: nice
[20:09] <nixternal> kdepim-doc is installing all docs...that is wrong
[20:09] <apachelogger> nixternal: well, would splitting actually help much?
[20:10] <apachelogger> that thing is 36MiB or something big
[20:10] <apachelogger> and the better part of that is probably pngs
[20:10] <nixternal> there are no dev docs in the kdepim-doc package. so that means the description of the package is wrong
[20:10] <nixternal> apachelogger: ya, a bunch of png images to be exact
[20:11] <nixternal> plus, the documentation isn't any good anyways, as most of it probably still pertains to kde3
[20:11]  * _buz is trying playing around with jaunty - is there any way to get amarok14 back?
[20:14] <apachelogger> ohhhh
[20:14] <apachelogger> Lure: would you mind pushing the fix for kde bug 187512 into jaunty?
[20:22] <Lure> apachelogger: I will if there will not be new kipi-plugins bug-fix release
[20:22] <Lure> but not sooner than in a week or so
[20:22]  * Lure too busy and traveling too much
[20:22] <apachelogger> when is rc?
[22:00] <josh-l> hey folks, firefox is super slow for me... mainly switching tabs, and using the menus...
[22:01] <josh-l> anything I can do?
[22:06] <Riddell> josh-l: we do KDE here, #ubuntu for help
[22:07] <josh-l> Riddell: i'm on kde
[22:07] <JontheEchidna> firefox isn't KDE :P
[22:07] <josh-l> i know but i'm running on kde
[22:10] <josh-l> ah i thought this might be the problem... its the jaunty fix for oxygen on firefox... really slows down firefox :(  too bad its pretty
[22:11] <JontheEchidna> Ah, qtcurve possibly?
[22:11] <josh-l> JontheEchidna: you mean changing it to qtcurve?
[22:11] <JontheEchidna> I meant, is it qtcurve that's causing the slowness?
[22:12] <josh-l> JontheEchidna: not sure what jaunty uses for firefox... it looks way way better then it used to but dunno
[22:12] <JontheEchidna> Yeah, it's using the QtCurve rather than the buggy gtk-qt-engine
[22:13] <JontheEchidna> you could uninstall gtk2-engines-qtcurve and install gtk-qt-engine if you wanted the old, ugly way back
[22:14] <josh-l> hehe no
[22:14] <josh-l> i'll just use a theme
[22:14] <josh-l> firefox theme
[22:14] <EagleScreen> I am confused with this
[22:15] <EagleScreen> I am using gtk-qt-engine in jaunty, with theme qtcurve, Firefox looks fine
[22:15] <EagleScreen> is it what are you meaning?
[22:15] <josh-l> EagleScreen: beta release did something different... it looks perfect now, but it slows down firefox for me... a lot
[22:16] <JontheEchidna> You can also set the GTK theme with gtk-qt-engine's config
[22:16] <EagleScreen> I do not feel that slow down
[22:16] <josh-l> nah i'll just use a firefox theme
[22:16] <josh-l> EagleScreen: lucky you
[22:17] <EagleScreen> I use abrowser in place of firefox
[22:18] <josh-l> EagleScreen: which?
[22:18] <EagleScreen> it shouldent be different
[22:18] <josh-l> which browser do you use in place of firefox
[22:18] <EagleScreen> abrowser is a fork of firefox in Ubuntu
[22:18] <josh-l> ohh
[22:18] <josh-l> whats the diff?
[22:19] <EagleScreen> abrowser is free of copyright and registered trademarks and logos
[22:19] <EagleScreen> do dont need to accept any EAULA to use abrowser
[22:20] <EagleScreen> is the equivalent to iceweasel on Debian
[22:20] <josh-l> the oxygen theme for firefox (at firefox addons) looks exactly like whatever jaunty beta uses for firefox, but makes my firefox much faster
[22:21] <EagleScreen> I am using gtk-qt-engine and I dont feel firefox (abrowser) to be slow
[22:22] <josh-l> as i said i'm glad for you, biut i seriously do
[22:22] <EagleScreen> is it slow for you with QtCurve theme?
[22:23] <josh-l> EagleScreen: i think that beta uses qtcurve for firefox on default at least according to JontheEchidna
[22:24] <EagleScreen> I set it up manually
[22:40]  * neversfelde got weather on the desktop :D
[22:40] <neversfelde> JontheEchidna: nice Idea
[22:40] <JontheEchidna> :)
[22:41] <blizzz> hm... sad desktop with sad weather?
[22:41] <neversfelde> I chose Dubai International, not Nuremeberg :D
[22:42] <neversfelde> -e
[22:42] <JontheEchidna> lol
[22:42] <blizzz> aaaaah :)
[22:42] <astromme> JontheEchidna: Saw your post =). Welcome!
[22:42] <blizzz> that makes sense now
[22:43] <JontheEchidna> astromme: Thanks :)
[23:03] <ryanakca> Riddell: What was the admin password changed to (once passed the htaccess prompt)?
[23:05] <Riddell> ryanakca: its not been changed