[00:00] <afallenhope> bsnider, jaunty doesn't have it
[00:00] <bsnider> afallenhope, it does, sir
[00:01] <afallenhope> hmm let me try
[00:01] <bsnider> it's in universe. 2.7ubuntu4
[00:01] <afallenhope> lmfao bsnider  thanks I was tying it in wrong
[00:03] <afallenhope> bsnider, yeah, I found it. I do everything via aptitude lol.
[00:08] <caeroe> hmm yeah... changing themes will freeze the gnome panels for me.
[00:22] <ghindo> I'm running the Jaunty beta and Brasero isn't updating.  How do I force an update?
[00:26] <josh-l> anyone try firefox 3.2 ?
[00:38] <bsnider> josh-l, firefox 3.1
[00:38] <bsnider> shiretoko
[00:45] <syockit> josh-l: it's 3.6 already, iinm
[00:46] <syockit> josh-l: anyways, to answer the question, yes
[00:46] <DanaG> Method "ApplyConfiguration" with signature "" on interface "org.gnome.SettingsDaemon.XRANDR" doesn't exist
[00:46] <DanaG> argh, why the heck did Ubuntu disable the xrandr feature of gnome-settings-daemon?
[00:47] <dabossbv> I have a problem with my RocketRAID 2310 RAID-Controller, with Hardy and Intrepid I could compile the drivers without problems: http://tinyurl.com/c26gag
[00:47] <dabossbv> but as I was testing to do the same in Jaunty, it didn't work and I got this error: http://paste.ubuntuusers.de/394646/
[00:55] <dabossbv> any ideas?
[00:59] <ghindo> I'm running the Jaunty beta and Brasero isn't updating.  How do I force an update?
[00:59] <ghindo> I've already tried "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[01:02] <syockit> ghindo: try aptidude/synaptic to determine why a package isn't updating. also, dist-upgrade before upgrade...
[01:05] <tj83> hey all, anyone know a fix for ati graphics flicker? is fglrx still not available in jaunty as was in intrepid?
[01:05] <tj83> hey all, anyone know a fix for ati graphics flicker? is fglrx still not available in jaunty as was in intrepid?
[01:05] <Ampelbein> tj83: one time is enough ;)
[01:06] <tj83> Ampelbein, sorry on my end only 1/2 my message posted
[01:06] <Ampelbein> tj83: and fglrx should be available since ATI released a xorg-1.6 compatible version
[01:07] <tj83> Ampelbein, would the suggested method be to apply the Driver    "fglrx" line in the xorg.conf? under system-admin-hardware drivers there are no proprietary options
[01:08] <Ampelbein> tj83: try jockey-gtk
[01:08] <crdlb> tj83: what card?
[01:09] <crdlb> only R600 and R700 are supported by fglrx now
[01:09] <tj83> i  have X1200 mobility laptop embed
[01:09] <tj83> i used to use fglrx under hardy
[01:09] <crdlb> what does 'lspci | grep -i vga' say?
[01:09] <tj83> was the best option for me in that release
[01:10] <tj83> 01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RS690M [Radeon X1200 Series]
[01:13] <tj83> crdlb, so given my hardware... what do you suggest? the radeon driver seems to be loaded using lsmod, i tried the radeon also in hardy but had same flicker issues as i am experiencing now..
[01:14] <crdlb> I'm trying to figure out if it's supposed to be supported
[01:14] <crdlb> the phoronix article is, as usual, terribly written
[01:14] <BluesKaj> tj83, tha x1200 driver is listed as available in adept , if you haven't already installed it
[01:15] <crdlb> BluesKaj: huh? he can't necessarily _use_ that driver
[01:15] <tj83> BluesKaj, no, have not, never used adept... what is this? i always just either managed my used drivers from "hardware drivers" or in the xorg.conf directly.
[01:15] <crdlb> because ATI has dropped support for a bunch of cards
[01:16] <crdlb> "To the customer, this is a good move, permitting you are an owner of a Radeon HD 2000 graphics card or later (or an RS690/RS740 IGP, but the RS780 will remain supported)."
[01:16] <BluesKaj> well, this card is supported , the name of the driver is rather confusing , untiul you check which cards are supported
[01:16] <crdlb> this line is completely ambiguous
[01:16] <crdlb> BluesKaj: how do you know it's supported?
[01:17] <tj83> i mean.. worst case, i can just drop the fglrx value in the xorg.conf and see what happens? i can always repair from recovery
[01:17] <crdlb> you can install xorg-driver-fglrx and try Driver "fglrx"
[01:18] <tj83> awesome... worth a shot thanks crdlb
[01:18] <BluesKaj> it's listed under radeon x1200 in the searchbar as xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd
[01:18] <crdlb> unless the update-manager messed up, it should have transitioned you to the radeon driver
[01:18] <thewrath> has nayone used gnupg?
[01:18] <crdlb> BluesKaj: that's not the proprietary driver
[01:18] <thewrath> just curious
[01:18] <thewrath> if so i have some questions for you
[01:18] <BluesKaj> who cares . If it works use it :P
[01:19] <crdlb> and the radeon driver is superior to radeonhd
[01:20] <tj83> ya radeonhd had a fit with my hardware also.
[01:21] <crdlb> radeon supports my X1250 fine even in intrepid
[01:21] <crdlb> but I think X1200 support is more recent
[01:21] <dug_> anyone test jaunty on an eee pc 1000 model?
[01:21] <BluesKaj> one has to be a bit adventurous with ati stuff ...i used to use a x200 onboard and it was definitely a task to get it to work properly..I installed a nvidia 7600GT after 3 yrs of ati adventures :)
[01:22] <crdlb> BluesKaj: that works out of the box now :)
[01:22] <crdlb> since intrepid
[01:22] <tj83> yes, in intrepid i was stuck with radeon... and it worked... with some minor visual distractions... was really just hoping fglrx was going to come around in this release as i had good luck with it in hardy... installing now... we will see :) i'll report back on results
[01:24]  * tj83 reboots..... wish me luck
[01:27] <crdlb> "In terms of support, the 690/740 would be in the same class as 3xx-5xx since they have a 4xx-series 3D engine. I believe there will be specific exceptions for new designs but so far all the OEM activity is Windows only (which has been the norm anyways)."
[01:27] <crdlb> fantastic :/
[01:28] <crdlb> my X1250 was purchased in a laptop 3 months ago ...
[01:29] <crdlb> it's a good thing radeon works :>
[01:29] <Amaranth> the beta was DVD only?
[01:30] <crdlb> -_-
[01:30] <crdlb> see the /topic :P
[01:32] <eternal_p_> hey all...I'm trying to get some USB passthrough working with Jaunty and VirtualBox..but all the online docs seem to deal with older version...any tips on getting it to work?
[01:38] <maxb> You know USB is only supported in the commercial VirtualBox, right?
[01:38] <eternal_p_> maxb: yup, that is what I downloaded from their site
[01:38] <eternal_p_> I can set my usb filter, but it doesn't become active on boot
[01:39] <admin_masu3701> whats the channel for off topic
[01:44] <admin_masu3701> whats the channel for off topic
[01:44] <crdlb> #ubuntu-offtopic
[01:45] <tj83> crdlb, well.... that didnt go well, i installed the xorg-driver-fglrx and would not boot, even removing the fglrx value from xorg.conf did not allow me to get back up, had to remove the package
[01:45] <crdlb> tj83: finally found an answer
[01:45] <crdlb> on page 31 of 31 on the phronix thread:
[01:46] <crdlb> "In terms of support, the 690/740 would be in the same class as 3xx-5xx since they have a 4xx-series 3D engine. I believe there will be specific exceptions for new designs but so far all the OEM activity is Windows only (which has been the norm anyways)."
[01:46] <tj83> crdlb, can you give URL?
[01:47] <SJrX> Is there flash for jaunty?
[01:47] <SJrX> Actually firefox seems to think the flash isn't here
[01:47] <tj83> crdlb, what does that excerpt mean exactly? that i am stuck with radeon with minor imperfections?
[01:47] <bruce89> !info flashplugin-nonfree
[01:48] <crdlb> SJrX: yes, assuming he is correct
[01:48] <tj83> SJrX, there are a number of options but i use the flash installer from www.adobe.com directly works well, always has
[01:48] <crdlb> oops
[01:48] <crdlb> tj83: that was for you :)
[01:49] <SJrX> I'm going to assume by the way that if I can upgrade 8.10 -> pre-9.04, that I can go from pre-9.04 -> 9.04 correct?
[01:49] <tj83> crdlb, ha ha, great....
[01:49] <crdlb> and the guy works for ATI
[01:49] <tj83> SJrX, i could be wrong..... but as you get updates you will be progressing to the final stable release no dist upgrade will be required
[01:49] <bruce89> SJrX: there is no pre-9.04
[01:50] <SJrX> Oh you mean I'll just eventually get 9.04 packages?
[01:50] <bruce89> what you are running it the current state of Jaunty
[01:50] <crdlb> tj83: http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15796&page=31
[01:50] <SJrX> sweet
[01:50] <crdlb> last post
[01:50] <bruce89> as long as you upgrade your packages, you will always be running the latest Jaunty
[01:50] <SJrX> does that mean if I switch to koala now, I will keep moving forward?
[01:51] <bruce89> Karmic doesn't exist yet
[01:51] <crdlb> wouldn't recommend that :)
[01:51] <SJrX> I see
[01:51] <SJrX> is it karmic koala?
[01:51] <crdlb> that will be 9.10
[01:52] <SJrX> I meant, is the animal the koala, I just took a guess, then realized I don't know what an Ibex, Drake or Gibbon is
[01:52] <crdlb> heh, yes
[01:52] <mxboy15u> Any tell me how to get pidgen to run in the tray with jaunty?
[01:52] <bruce89> Gibbon = Ape, Drake = Male Mallard, Ibex = something else
[01:53] <crdlb> it was either that or kangaroo, I guess :)
[01:53] <bruce89> this Pidgin thing is going to be a recurring feature
[01:53] <SJrX> what'll be after zebra?
[01:53] <crdlb> mxboy15u: enable the tray plugin in pidgin
[01:53] <crdlb> SJrX: aardvark
[01:53] <SJrX> oh right
[01:53] <SJrX> what will be after condor
[01:53] <mxboy15u> of course i just asked that and then found it sorry for the dumb question
[01:53] <DanaG> grr: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=341441
[01:54] <crdlb> that's an annoying problem
[01:54] <crdlb> the panel should understand left and right gravity
[01:54] <SJrX> Are there any cool utilities for scripting the nvidia cards? I heard that it's all open source, so I'm not sure why there wouldn't be any
[01:54] <crdlb> SJrX: 1) to do what?
[01:54] <crdlb> and 2) the nvidia driver is proprietary
[01:54] <SJrX> auto change monitor configuration
[01:55] <mxboy15u> Is there a way to do a parallel install from a usb stick of jaunty? I know it is an option with a CD but with a boot usb it does not seem to be enabled
[01:55] <bruce89> mxboy15u: not a stupid question, it's a deviation from upstream
[01:55] <SJrX> Yes but nvidia-settings is open source, and the twin view stuff is read only in the script thus far
[01:55] <crdlb> SJrX: for single-monitor setups, you can use the xrandr command
[01:55] <SJrX> no it's dual monitor
[01:55] <SJrX> my lappy
[01:55] <crdlb> you could use it for multihead too if they'd get around to supporting XRandR 1.2
[01:55] <crdlb> but they're lazy
[01:56] <crdlb> even fglrx supports it now
[01:56] <tj83> SJrX, i use nvidia geforce 9500gt with dual screen (nvidia-settings) whats the problem?
[01:56] <SJrX> IS that nvidia?
[01:56] <tj83> fglrx is ATI
[01:56] <SJrX> errr sorry, that's what I meant
[01:56] <SJrX> tj83 my notebook, has a constantly changing monitor configuration and nvidia settings is INCREDIBLY annoying to deal with
[01:57] <crdlb> complain to nvidia, maybe they'll add XRandR 1.2 :/
[01:57] <tj83> SJrX, oh i think i see what you mean,... having to manually change settings when you add or remove the extra screen... dont know how to help
[01:58] <SJrX> Allegedly someone suggested to just use the code for nvidia-settings but I'm not much of a C++ developer, I wonder how easy it would be.
[01:58] <bsnider> the nouveau driver can do randr for nvidia cards
[01:59] <SJrX> How much 3d acceleration would I loose?
[01:59] <bsnider> all of it
[01:59] <tj83> heh
[01:59] <SJrX> Argh
[01:59] <SJrX> Hmmmmmm
[01:59]  * SJrX thinks
[02:00] <bruce89> it's C actuall
[02:00] <SJrX> Is it automatic?
[02:00] <SJrX> xrandr, like it will just know exactly what the resolution should be when I plug in / close my monitors.
[02:00] <tj83> i have to throw my opinion out there, I think jaunty is a major step in the right direction... intrepid was a bust. wish everyone would finally get on the same page for video driver solutions :(
[02:01] <bsnider> assuming it gets the right edid info from the monitor, it will always drive it up to its native resolution
[02:01] <SJrX> Intrpid was a bust actually, I use to run debian on my notebook for the longest time, have used ubuntu and fell in love. I got a new notebook and finally gave the ol heave ho to Windows, and it's been nothing but a pain in the ass.
[02:02] <SJrX> I ran windows for the first while in between, but everything seemed to be horribly annoying in Ibex.
[02:02] <DanaG> WARNING: 0:2: extension 'GL_ARB_draw_buffers' is not supported "
[02:02] <SJrX> lol
[02:02] <bruce89> SJrX: which Debian out of interest
[02:03] <SJrX> Hmmmmm I was running 3.1/4.0 sid/testing... It still runs on my server actually, that is a mess that one day when I run out of hard disk space I'll move to ubuntu server.
[02:03] <DanaG> I'm not sure if I'm just imagining it, but it seems ATI actually does xrandr.
[02:03]  * tj83 started out with debian etch 4.0r3..... then moved to hardy, then intrepid, now jaunty.... 
[02:03] <DanaG> That is, once I've added the "virtual" line, I can use the gnome thingy to set up monitor.s
[02:03] <DanaG> monitors.
[02:03]  * bruce89 doesn't think I could settle for less than testing
[02:03] <SJrX> I started out with debian 3.0 years ago, and the machine has existed since there. Debian is good, but I have forgotten how alot of the stuff on the machine works, and it's so out of date.
[02:03] <DanaG> oh, reading scrollback.... so, I'm not imagining it? Sweet.
[02:04] <SJrX> Neither can I, bruce89 which was the reason I left debian, because there is no middle ground.
[02:04] <DanaG> I really am actually glad to have gotten ATI.
[02:04] <DanaG> Oh, and somebody found a workaround so fglrx no longer panics for me.
[02:04] <bruce89> SJrX: shame, as I'd like to move to Debian
[02:04] <DanaG> Soooo.... now I can get my 4 hours battery life!
[02:04] <SJrX> I remember one day I woke up to find out that testing had put Samba 2.99-rc1 in it, and was so annoying.
[02:04]  * tj83 hates his ATI, loves his nvidia 9500gt
[02:04] <SJrX> why's that bruce89?
[02:05] <bruce89> all this weird stuff in Jaunty
[02:05] <SJrX> Debian is great for servers, and if I had production servers at work, Debian would be right up there.
[02:05] <tj83> DanaG, tell me more about fglrx panic
[02:05] <SJrX> Maybe even before Ubuntu-server
[02:05] <SJrX> But the desktop, always left me with weird problems trying anything new on there.
[02:05] <SJrX> With Ubuntu "It Just Works(TM)"
[02:05] <DanaG> Here was my bug:
[02:05] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fglrx-installer/+bug/314600
[02:05] <bruce89> testing and a half would be ideal I think
[02:05] <DanaG> Still not actually "fixed"... but there's a workaround.
[02:06] <tj83> DanaG, i just attempted to use it.... radeon gives me screen flicker and flgrx locks me up.
[02:06] <xoox> Where is the current gdm configuration stored?
[02:10] <DanaG> Yay, now I can play neverball and extremetuxracer with my laptop... not just on it, but WITH it.  As a joystick.  =þ
[02:10] <tj83> DanaG, so your saying  that this little work around aticonfig --acpi-services=off after "aticonfig --initial". does the trick?
[02:11] <DanaG> Yeah, if it's the same issue.
[02:12] <tj83> DanaG, what method did you use to install the driver in the first place? i tired using apt for installing xorg-driver-fglrx
[02:12] <DanaG> Same here; it's the way to get the Jaunty-compatible one.  No others are compatible with this X server.
[02:13] <crdlb> DanaG: does fglrx print a list of supported hardware in Xorg.0.log for you?
[02:13] <tj83> then i'll try again.. i assume the proper time to do the "workaround" is directly after install since wont be able to do unless in recovery?
[02:13] <DanaG> hmm, this version seems not to.
[02:13] <DanaG> not to print, that is.
[02:13] <crdlb> I'm trying to get conclusive proof of which gpus are supported :/
[02:15] <DanaG> 'modinfo fglrx' may help/
[02:15] <DanaG> Gives PCI IDs.
[02:15] <crdlb> that'd be good
[02:16] <DanaG> (WW) fglrx(0): board is an unknown third party board, chipset is supported
[02:16] <DanaG> that's what my thing gives as an info thing in xorg log.
[02:16] <DanaG> No nice list.
[02:16] <tj83> DanaG, tj@toshiba:~$ aticonfig --acpi-services=off
[02:16] <tj83> aticonfig: No supported adapters detected
[02:16] <DanaG> hmm, fglrx installed already?
[02:16] <crdlb> well, that's pretty conclusive
[02:16] <DanaG> And set in xorg.conf?  For me, aticonfig --initial did not actually work.
[02:16] <tj83> just now, not attempted to restart x yet
[02:17] <crdlb> he's got an X1200
[02:17] <DanaG> ah, that's R500... probably not supported.
[02:18] <DanaG> Or rather, sounds like you've got it.
[02:18] <crdlb> no, it's an RS690
[02:18] <DanaG> Hmm.
[02:18] <DanaG> silly AMD naming.
[02:18] <crdlb> basically a successor to the Xpress 200
[02:18] <DanaG> Speaking of AMD... previous Newegg newsletter had a really lame pun:  "March AMDness".
[02:18] <DanaG> Nyuk, nyuk, nyuk.
[02:19] <crdlb> bridgman said it wasn't supported on the phoronix forum
[02:19] <afallenhope> hey how do Icheck if my swap is being used? I have a monitor on it.. but I don't see the monitor go "UP" or "DOWN"
[02:19] <tj83> what confuses me is flgrx was my ticket in hardy :(
[02:19] <crdlb> tj83: they dropped support ...
[02:19] <crdlb> and you can't use the old version unless you downgrade X
[02:21] <DanaG> FIREGL Board Found
[02:21] <DanaG> My xorg log: http://pastebin.com/f35732c71
[02:21] <tj83> brb
[02:21] <afallenhope> OHOH OH!! it's working
[02:21] <afallenhope> lol
[02:21] <afallenhope> "sudo /swap on"
[02:22] <DanaG> Hmm, I wonder if there's ANY difference between Radeon and FireGL in Linux.
[02:23] <DanaG> One thing it seems to offer: 10BPP video output; probably on the HDMI port.
[02:24] <DanaG> or wait, is that 10bpp lower?
[02:24] <DanaG> Is that 10 bits per color per pixel, or 10 bits total per pixel?
[02:25] <DanaG> (II) fglrx(0): 10BitPixelFormat disabled by default
[02:28] <SJrX> Anyone have a problem with QT apps seeming hanging under Juanty
[02:28] <SJrX> basically as soon as I want to type in a text input box it hangs
[02:28] <tj83> eh, well as you guys have said... fglrx was a no go again.
[02:31] <DanaG> http://ati.amd.com/products/fireglv5600/index.html
[02:33] <DanaG> Now I just need a 10-bit display to use it with.  =þ
[02:41] <DanaG> sweet, rtdhdribl works in wine.
[02:41] <DanaG> well... sort of.
[02:42] <hil> sh'd be sound nice reading with festival voice *g
[02:42] <DanaG> Well, damned nvidia 96.43.11 is just as broken as 96.43.10!
[02:42] <DanaG> It segfaults Xorg!
[02:42] <DanaG> Thaaaaanks, nvidia!
[02:42] <hil> .oO( rtdhdribl )
[02:43] <DanaG> http://www.daionet.gr.jp/~masa/rthdribl/
[02:43] <DanaG> Oh yeah, is fglrx supposed to accelerate h.264?
[02:45] <DanaG> More specifically, compiz hangs at login.
[02:45] <DanaG> And then when I kill -9 compiz.... xorg dies.
[02:45] <DanaG> It's always at the same damned place, too.
[02:47] <crdlb> compiz is a shell script
[02:47] <DanaG> er, yeah, I do mean I kill .real
[02:48] <DanaG> #0  0xb80ce430 in __kernel_vsyscall ()                 #1  0xb7d5e77d in select () from /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6                   #2  0x08132830 in WaitForSomething ()                     #3  0x0808d2ee in Dispatch ()                #4  0x0807231d in main ()
[02:48] <josh-l> are there any kde 4 ftp clients?
[02:48] <DanaG> That's what I get when I sudo gdb xorg and then (once it hangs) I killall -11 it.
[02:48] <josh-l> syockit: what do you think about firefox 3.2?
[02:49] <DanaG> goddamn nvidia!
[02:49] <syockit> josh-l: didn't play that much. alt-tab looks cool. tab detaching might be handy, but it doesn't fit my browsing habit. wait, that's all on 3.1 as well! i dunno what's new on 3.2.....
[02:50] <DanaG> Yeah, I really AM glad to have gotten ATI in the new laptop.  In fact, because I had to customize-to-order to get the ATI card with the 1920x1200 LCD, I actually paid a bit MORE for it... and didn't even get a webcam.
[02:51] <josh-l> syockit: what about alt-tab in 3.1 ?
[02:51] <syockit> josh-l: wait, let me fire up my shiretoko
[02:51] <josh-l> cool
[02:52] <DanaG> what package do I install to get better debug symbols?
[02:52] <DanaG> I have xserver-xorg-dbgsym.
[02:54] <syockit> josh-l: hmm, it's plain. i guess the cool alt-tab is from 3.2 onwards
[02:54] <josh-l> syockit: ok enough for me to try it, i always wanted some cool alt-tab action in a browser
[02:56] <syockit> josh-l: it just popups a list of available tabs with it's contents scaled to icons. I think there's an extension for that in older firefox as well, 3.2 just have it built-in
[02:56]  * DanaG swears at nvidia, very vocally.
[02:56] <josh-l> ahh
[02:56] <DanaG> I say, either make the damned driver work, or release the damned specs!
[02:57] <syockit> josh-l: http://www.wg9s.com/mozilla/firefox/ if you want to try. don't forget to launch with a seperate profile, because it uses ~/.mozilla/firefox folder
[02:57] <syockit> *separate
[02:57] <josh-l> thanks was just looking syockit
[03:00] <Spirits-Sight> I have two things that are in my update mangager that can not be selected how do I fix that?
[03:00] <Spirits-Sight> they are brasero and ekiga
[03:00] <josh-l> syockit: is this what it looks like: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/8879
[03:02] <syockit> josh-l: hmm, that looks to fancy. the new feature has no 3d, the closest one is probably screenshot #4
[03:02] <syockit> *too
[03:02] <josh-l> syockit: trying to find the addon you said exists for non 3.2 firefox
[03:03] <DanaG> ipw2200: Firmware error detected.  Restarting.
[03:04] <DanaG> dmesg | grep "ipw2200: Firmware error detected.  Restarting." | wc -l          :           13
[03:04] <syockit> josh-l: well, there are many similar ones. 3.6 (yeah, let's use the new number from now on) has the simplest one probably
[03:04] <DanaG> 15.
[03:04] <DanaG> wow, that was fast.
[03:04] <LogicalDash> It seems as though the Image Checksum plugin for Brasero is broken. The disc spins up and down and the progress bar never moves.
[03:05] <DanaG> Wow, that foxtab has a reeeeally really fugly icon.
[03:06] <DanaG> wow, what's up with those firmware errors?
[03:07] <DanaG> I'm seriously considering buying a BROADCOM card for that old laptop.
[03:07] <DanaG> ... because this Intel sure ain't cutting it.
[03:10] <DanaG> I'm getting an average of two firmware errors every 5 seconds.
[03:12] <td123> ew
[03:26] <DanaG> oh yeah, any of you using fglrx?  Does the driver still say "FIREGL Board found" for the Radeon boards?
[03:27] <LordKow> DanaG, if the drivers are titled fglrx (fgl being firegl...) then i would think so
[03:29] <DanaG> I have a video card that HP markets as a Mobility FireGL V5700, but it doesn't seem to actually enable any special FireGL-specific features.
[03:32] <ultratek> my volume is low with it turned all the way up....
[03:33] <ultratek> ?
[03:33] <DanaG> Oh heyas, is there any way to start a gdm guest session WITHOUT fusa?
[03:38] <myk_robinson> evening, all
[03:39] <myk_robinson> running 9.04 on my Gateway laptop, so far so good. Having a minor issue with Evolution not syncing with my Google calendar, however, my desktop running 8.10 does this just fine
[03:39] <myk_robinson> any ideas?
[03:41] <DanaG> Here's something odd with my fglrx: resume from suspend takes about 30 seconds.... which sucks, because boot takes only 45.
[03:44] <ultratek> did the fglrx ever get fixed for the ati hd series?
[03:54] <Whitor|> Hi. Small request... I'd like to be able to resize my Sessions Preferences window in System > Prefs > Sessions ... I like to minimize scrolling if at all possible
[04:00] <e-jat> can some help me on this ->http://paste.ubuntu.com/141134/
[04:02] <amon__> e-jat: you need an older version of qt
[04:02] <remu>  Under ubuntu I used to control my volume using the PCM slider, however, now when I use the PCM slider it doesn't make any difference. When I had kubuntu-desktop installed under my regular ubuntu install, the PCM slider did change the audio.
[04:03] <remu> I should add that I just recently did a fresh install of Kubuntu
[04:03] <e-jat> amon__: so i need to downgrade my qt version ?
[04:05] <DanaG> wtf... upgrading notify-osd started notify-osd even in my gnome-stracciatella session!
[04:05] <DanaG> That's bad manners.
[04:06] <amon__> e-jat: i guess so, what version does the app want
[04:10] <e-jat> 4.4.3.
[04:10] <dtchen> remu: choose the desired mixer controls in Kmix
[04:11] <remu> dtchen: I've done that, however, sliding the PCM slider up and down doesn't make any difference in my volume.
[04:11] <dtchen> remu: run the http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh bash script
[04:13] <remu> dtchen: http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=e8859eb460f1b04f4354fe448e894cc39eb878c4
[04:14] <dtchen> remu: will look in a few minutes
[04:14] <Whitor|> Does anyone know how to get processor temp from a terminal?
[04:15] <remu> dtchen: thanks, btw, I added "option snd-hda-intel enable_msi=1" to  /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf in order to get the soundcard working properly (excluding this PCM issue)
[04:15] <arodd> Has anyone else had issues with amarok 2.x in 9.04?
[04:15] <arodd> ie: it doesn't play any music
[04:16] <Delvien> Anyone have alot of experience with xbindkeys?
[04:16] <arodd> It just fast forwards through each track.
[04:17] <melik> wow for the first time i actually like ubuntu's default themes
[04:17] <melik> haha
[04:17] <arodd> "xine is asking to seek behind the end of the data stream"
[04:18] <arodd> "QString::arg: Argument missing: Amarok - No track playing., 0:00"
[04:20] <lanoxx_> in my virualbox the installer fails reproducibly the first time and only runs through on the second time, it this a known bug?
[04:20] <lanoxx_> i noticed this with alpha 5, 6 and the discs
[04:20] <lanoxx_> +and the beta
[04:21] <afallenhope> !mp3
[04:23] <dtchen> remu: you don't need ~/.asoundrc or ~/.asoundrc.asoundconf
[04:24] <remu> dtchen: do you think that should fix it?
[04:24] <dtchen> remu: no. which of Master/PCM/Front actually affects the volume?
[04:24] <dtchen> remu: (you just don't need ~/.asoundrc.asoundconf or ~/.asoundrc, as those settings are default anyhow for your driver)
[04:25] <remu> Master, Front, and Headphones all arre actually affecting the volume (on a logarithmic scale) under Kubuntu, under Ubuntu I those three plus PCM used to affect the volume.
[04:28] <dtchen> remu: have you used alsamixer to determine which elements need to be altered to effect volume changes?
[04:29] <remu> dtchen: no I haven't.....
[04:32] <remu> dtchen: What exactly should I do in alsamixer?
[04:34] <dtchen> remu: just verify that using some combination of those former three affects things, then set one or more of those three in Kmix instead of PCMm
[04:37] <remu> dtchen: they do, however the problem is this. At 46% those three have a gain of -51.75, while PCM shows a gain of -51.00 at 0%......the other three DO affect things, however it provides me with a very small range of volume control, and the gain as a result changes drastically between 46% and 100% on those three. Where as when I was using the PCM under Ubuntu (and kubuntu-desktop) it gave me a decent control over my volume.
[04:37] <remu> I've just started experiencing this issue now that I've done a standalone/fresh install of Kubuntu
[04:38] <melik> whats the indicator applet?
[04:39] <dtchen> remu: ah, right. PulseAudio does software manipulation
[04:39] <dtchen> remu: in Kubuntu, PulseAudio isn't installed by default
[04:42] <remu> dtchen: well, PulseAudio does show up under Multimedia, but if I move it to the top priority, then whenever I play something with audio, it says "The audio device PulseAudio does not work. Falling back to HDA Intel (STAC92xx Analog)"
[04:43] <melik> guys is
[04:43] <melik> Update Notifier in the startup applications the Notify OSD
[04:43] <melik> if not what is "Update Notifier"
[04:44] <arodd> xine-ffmpeg doesn't exist in 9.04
[04:44] <remu> dtchen: Any idea on how I might be able to resolve this issue?
[04:44] <arodd> that was my first guess....but it's not in medibuntu or in the main repos
[04:46] <dtchen> remu: that happens because pulseaudio isn't installed by default. you'd need to install it.
[04:46] <remu> dtchen: just "sudo apt-get install pulseaudio"?
[04:46] <remu> will that be sufficient?
[04:46] <dtchen> remu: you can use kpackagekit, apt-get, aptitude, ...
[04:46] <remu> right, but just the pulseaudio package?
[04:47] <remu> or do i need to install some other package as well?
[04:48] <melik> dtchen, is Update Notifier for Notify-OSD
[04:49] <DanaG> remu: try 'alsamixer -c0'
[04:49] <dtchen> remu: installing that package should pull in necessary dependencies
[04:49] <DanaG> or -c1, or whatever card number
[04:51] <dtchen> melik: i don't understand your question. if you meant to ask whether update-notifier requires notify-osd, the answer is that it requires a notification daemon, which is satisfied by various packages.
[04:51] <melik> no dtchen, i just want to know what update notifier is
[04:51] <remu> dtchen: I installed pulseaudio, and it pulled in a bunch of other stuff too, though now, with pulse audio I don't hear anything....but no error message either
[04:51] <dtchen> remu: check that it's running and that the sink used is the desired one
[04:51] <melik> is it for the automatic updates?
[04:52] <dtchen> melik: yes
[04:52] <melik> ah, i have automatic updates disabled
[04:52] <DanaG> argh, goddamn nvidia segfaults the X server!
[04:52] <melik> so i guess i can disable that too
[04:52] <DanaG> #0  0x0817f58e in ?? ()               #1  0xb80ac018 in ?? () from /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions//libextmod.so             #2  0xb6ebdc3b in ?? () from /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers//nvidia_drv.so               Backtrace stopped: previous frame inner to this frame (corrupt stack?)
[04:52] <dtchen> DanaG: 180.44?
[04:52] <DanaG> Nope, 96.43.11.
[04:52] <remu> dtchen: when I typed "pulseaudio" in the terminal, it said "daemon is already running"
[04:53] <dtchen> DanaG: ah, the issue you've been lamenting lately :p
[04:53] <DanaG> It's for a "hey, let's lie, and call this geforce2 newer than a geforce 3... a 4 'mx'!" card.
[04:53] <remu> how can i check the sinks
[04:53] <dtchen> remu: i recommend you install pavucontrol for it
[04:53] <remu> dtchen: doing that now
[04:55] <DanaG> ... because nvidia apparently thinks 1+1=4mx.
[04:58] <remu> dtchen: installed pavucontrol, then ran it from the terminal, under "Output Devices" it only shows one option "Null Output"....seems like PulseAudio isn't seeing my soundcard....
[04:59] <edgy> Hi, I am using quassel irc program now but when I connect I have many channels in the buffer that connects automatically, how can I disable this?
[05:04] <dtchen> remu: what's the output (please pastebin) from: killall pulseaudio;pulseaudio -vv
[05:06] <remu> dtchen: I'll get that to you soon, seems like its still working on it.
[05:07] <dtchen> remu: it won't background/daemonise; it's running in the foreground
[05:08] <dtchen> remu: i.e., pressing ctrl+z will stop it; pressing ctrl+c will kill it
[05:08] <ghindo> I'm having trouble updating Brasero.  Even after apt-get update, upgrade, and dist-upgrade, the program is kept back.  How do I force an update?
[05:09] <remu> dtchen: okay, (should I kill it or stop it? never really understood the difference between the two)
[05:10] <dtchen> remu: you can background it
[05:10] <dtchen> remu: i just need all the output pastebinned
[05:11] <triune> anyone kno about if jaunty will have linux-rt from 2.6.29 in the vanilla kernel?
[05:11] <afallenhope> anyone having trouble for amsn
[05:11] <remu> dtchen: http://pastebin.com/d378ca01f
[05:12] <dtchen> triune: no, linux-rt is from the -ports tree
[05:14] <dtchen> remu: sec, chores currently
[05:14] <remu> dtchen: no problem, thanks for your help so far btw
[05:14] <triune> dtchen: which is heavily hacked i hear, since its based off the original 2.6.26 patch
[05:14] <triune> wonder if there's any easy way to get 2.6.29-rt1 going
[05:24] <mobi-sheep> I'm curious regarding Deluge.  Is there much different in package 'deluge' and 'deluge-torrent' ?  http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=deluge&searchon=names&suite=all&section=all
[05:24] <MBDL> ho there im having issues where almost all my apps close right away after opeing them since upgrading form 8.10
[05:25] <MBDL> hi*
[05:25] <MBDL> for examle google earth
[05:25]  * Amaranth thinks qt problem
[05:25] <MBDL> qt?
[05:25] <MBDL> quite?
[05:26] <MBDL> also all my prisms will not open.. iv reinstalled all apps that arnt working with all there dependancies through the package manager
[05:26] <remu> dtchen: I got it figured out....I forgot I had dragon player paused and minimized, it had locked the soundcard so pulseaudio couldn't access it when it ran, so I ran it again and this time it recognized it and its in as the default sink and working. Thank you very much! This has been my biggest problem with Kubuntu (last few times I tried as well), so again, thanks!
[05:28] <MBDL> my amsn will open but when i sign in it just keeps signing in forever... and ever... all my apps are not working or closing on me... is there one thing these have in common that i need?
[05:29] <mobi-sheep> MBDL: Amaranth said QT -- He meant this -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qt_(toolkit)
[05:30] <MBDL> ok thx
[05:31] <MBDL> ill go try that
[05:35] <xangua> hello there, is there a way i can use Gnome Notification Daemon instead of Notify OSD ¿?
[05:36] <dtchen> xangua: just install notification-daemon and deinstall notify-osd
[05:36] <xangua> i have read i can also instal gnome-stracciatella-session http://www.mail-archive.com/desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com/msg271764.html
[05:37] <darthanubis> more specifically, why would a windows machine be able to write to a share that a unix machine can not?
[05:37] <dtchen> xangua: yes, that's correct
[05:37] <xangua> does someone know what exacty stracciatella do ¡?
[05:37] <dtchen> it uses the older notification system
[05:38] <xangua> is there any difference between stacciatella and notify daemon ¿
[05:39] <xangua> ooh sorry i read the description, is just some kind of  session of Gnome ith no Ubuntu especific configuration
[05:40] <xangua> other thing, my screen sometimes looses bright
[05:40] <xangua> it blinks actually, is this caused by notify OSD ¿
[05:40] <xangua> does soeone have a similar issue¿
[05:41] <frybye> Morgen dtchen - folks have told me the last couple of days that you are -the man- for sound problems...
[05:41] <frybye> I have been trying to get my jaunty-box to run with the audigy-se sound card (CA0160) but had no success.. is there an established tweek it needs...?
[05:42] <frybye> - right now have the on-board nvidia sound working which is not that bad but - the ca0160 worked fine in Intrepid...
[05:43] <MBDL> ok im reinstalling all qt packages now plus i downloaded the trail off the web site... is there a particular package i should have installed for qt
[05:44] <xangua> when i mark for unistall notofy OSD it says it will also remove Ubunut-desktop
[05:44] <MBDL> it didnt work... so what packages should i make sure are checked for qt
[05:44] <DanaG> !info gnome-stracciatella-session
[05:45] <frybye> Morning DanaG you at it again i c.. ;=)
[05:46] <frybye> dtchen you have an infos about ca0160 / soundblaster /audigy-se - problems?
[05:48] <DanaG> Actually, now that I have a working fglrx, I'm considering trying notify-osd again.
[05:48] <dtchen> frybye: 0160 or 0106?
[05:48] <Amaranth> notify-osd looks better with compositing
[05:48] <dtchen> no compositing with my wm, tho' :/
[05:48]  * Amaranth thinks metacity compositing should be enabled by default
[05:49] <MBDL> mobi-sheep: if it were a qt problem... could i open some apps. like virtualbox?
[05:49] <Amaranth> It even works decently with the vesa driver
[05:49] <DanaG> Amaranth: but then metacity won't let compiz start.
[05:49] <Amaranth> If you can't run compiz at least you'd get some features a compositor gives you
[05:49] <DanaG> !g unable to obtain compositing manager selection
[05:49] <Amaranth> DanaG: That's a bug, it can be fixed
[05:49] <DanaG> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-903978.html
[05:49] <frybye> hang on - I got it wrong just now I am sure - the board is not installed just now so I cant check - (am disab war veteran and my memory is blown.. ) will be whatever the audigy-se is!
[05:49] <Amaranth> DanaG: I was the guy that figured out what was happening and where the bug was in metacity (and convinced the metacity maintainer)
[05:50] <dtchen> frybye: probably a 0106, then (particularly if it's at least a few years old)
[05:50] <Amaranth> Funnily enough compiz is the only compositor that actually properly handles the compositor selection
[05:50] <frybye> DanaG: help me out here - can u remember what the card was when we were looking at it yesterday...
[05:50] <DanaG> Yeah, I AM blaming metacity.
[05:50] <Amaranth> kwin completely ignores it and metacity takes it but won't give it up
[05:50] <dtchen> frybye: but yes, depending on the configuration, there are a number of known issues
[05:50] <DanaG> Oh, yeah, it was some sort of sblive.
[05:50] <frybye> ok I only bought it a few weeks ago but has been on the market a long time - is definitly the audigy-se
[05:50] <maco> dtchen: frybye's alsa-info: http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=2132d2feefde5aa1ac35d29f2fecbc69729b5b30
[05:51] <frybye> thanks maco you are a star... !
[05:51]  * Amaranth wonders if xfwm does it right
[05:51] <maco> frybye: he knows this stuff better than me. he's teaching me.
[05:51] <Amaranth> answer: no
[05:51] <MBDL> ***Amaranth: what do u think?
[05:51] <maco> he's also going "ooooh...one of these..."
[05:52] <Amaranth> xfwm4 does not start when trying to switch from compiz to xfwm4
[05:52] <Amaranth> it does kill compiz though
[05:52] <dtchen> frybye: what's the symptom you're experiencing?
[05:52] <Amaranth> MBDL: I think you manually installed something to /usr/local that is screwing everything up now that your system has been upgraded
[05:53] <MBDL> ...Amaranth:  how would i narrow that down
[05:53] <frybye> the whole sub-system cant be found at system|preferences|sound - and no sound and no loudspeaker icon top right of screen when that card psycially installed...
[05:53] <Amaranth> MBDL: format, reinstall
[05:53] <MBDL> ...ouch
[05:53] <Amaranth> MBDL: Or just delete /usr/local
[05:53] <MBDL> :'(
[05:53] <maco> bah, have to remember to tell BluesKaj that "asoundconf set-default-card" is *not* the way to to things!
[05:53] <Amaranth> This is why you only use packages
[05:53] <MBDL> wont that f*** everything up
[05:54] <Amaranth> or at least install crap into self-contained locations in /opt
[05:54] <frybye> dtchen: bare with me a bit if I get exact menu-names wrong - using German lang o.sys here...
[05:54] <Amaranth> MBDL: Nothing from Ubuntu itself gets installed in /usr/local
[05:54] <MBDL> ok
[05:54] <Amaranth> MBDL: Anything in /usr/local is junk you installed
[05:54] <MBDL> thx ill do that... will the icons stay..
[05:54] <Amaranth> MBDL: I'd say something in /usr/local/lib/ is the problem
[05:54] <MBDL> ok
[05:55] <frybye> the asoundconf set-default-card soloution seemed to work for a few mins - was too lound and then broke again...
[05:56] <MBDL> so i have: python2.5 and 2.6 also site_ruby
[05:56] <frybye> dtchen: when trying to access system|preferences|sound a tab appears at bottom of screen saying "starting sound.." for a few secs then dissapears and then nothing...
[05:56] <dtchen> frybye: is this a fresh install of 9.04 beta?
[05:56] <Amaranth> ha, xfwm4's compositor won't even turn on
[05:56] <MBDL> with nothing in the folders
[05:57] <frybye> no was updated from intrepid with update-manager -d
[05:57] <frybye> in the live session from the cd the same problems...
[05:57] <Amaranth> ah, there it goes
[05:58] <maco> frybye: that command is deprecated and will be gone in the next release, which is why we're discouraging its use now
[05:58] <dtchen> frybye: ok, let's see where to dig deeper. First, do you intend to use a digital receiver for your sound, or are you using headphones or analog speakers?
[05:58] <frybye> analog speakers...
[05:58] <frybye> 5.1 setup...
[05:58] <MBDL> Amaranth: does the empty folder mean something
[05:59] <Amaranth> MBDL: pastebin the output from a program that failed to load
[05:59] <frybye> pse bare in mind that in about 20 mins I will be outa here and probably back online at work some 15mins after that -
[05:59] <dtchen> frybye: ok, first you'll need to mute the digital receiver output. In a Terminal, use: amixer -Dhw:0 set 'IEC958',0
[05:59] <MBDL> no output.... just close
[05:59] <dtchen> frybye: sorry, that command is: amixer -Dhw:0 set 'IEC958',0 mute
[05:59] <MBDL> Amaranth: no output just close
[05:59] <Amaranth> DanaG: Looks like even xfwm4 handles things fine, only metacity breaks starting compiz
[06:00] <Amaranth> MBDL: Uh, run it from a terminal, obviously
[06:00] <MBDL> Amaranth: ok
[06:00] <frybye> I am going to copy+past this to a file for later reference...
[06:01] <DanaG> I have a cardbus audigy2 that's this device:
[06:02] <DanaG> http://www.google.com/search?q=ca0109-1ag
[06:02] <MBDL> Amaranth: http://pastebin.com/d721e73d2
[06:02] <frybye> dtchen: sorry about this but I have to get fixed for going to work here - if you have further info - please send to my email - I will write a pm to you with it if ok dtchen??
[06:03] <jscinoz> hey guys
[06:03] <Amaranth> /lib/i686?
[06:03] <MBDL> Amaranth: is that for me?
[06:03] <dtchen> frybye: most troubleshooting tends to be interactive; just catch me later today
[06:03] <MBDL> Amaranth: should i delete?
[06:03] <Amaranth> MBDL: Either your OpenSSL is broken or googleearth is not compatible with jaunty
[06:03] <jscinoz> i noticed there is an iptables-xml thing which turns the config generated by iptables-save into a nice xml formatted file. The manpage for iptables-xml says that it can be converted back but mentions a file iptables.xslt, which is supposed to be in /usr/share/iptables/ apparently, but it is not present, is this a bug?
[06:04] <MBDL> Amaranth: so reinstall openssl
[06:04] <Amaranth> MBDL: sure
[06:04] <MBDL> if not then not compatible
[06:04] <frybye> ok then - of course that makes sence - but I wont have the box here with me at work of course to try anything...
[06:04] <frybye> when i get back from work I guess you will be off to bed...
[06:04] <Amaranth> MBDL: Unless you've done a custom install of OpenSSL that is breaking things but I'm on a 64-bit machine so I can't see if I should have that file or not
[06:04] <Amaranth> s/if I/if you/
[06:05] <MBDL> Amaranth: i havent... but let me look
[06:05] <frybye> bye for now - thanks for all the help...
[06:06] <Amaranth> MBDL: it's google earth
[06:06]  * Amaranth shows MBDL the joys of searching on the internet: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1059167
[06:07] <duncan_nz> is there any reason to think that installing 9.04 beta would solve any of the problems I've got since starting with 9.04 alpha 3?
[06:07] <Amaranth> MBDL: The medibuntu repo has a fixed version of google earth if you don't feel like messing with files yourself
[06:08] <duncan_nz> I got an app segfaulting
[06:08] <Amaranth> duncan_nz: If you've been keeping up-to-date with package updates you've got the beta already
[06:08] <MBDL> Amaranth: ok
[06:08] <Amaranth> duncan_nz: What app and does it print anything before it segfaults?
[06:08]  * Amaranth guesses Google Earth
[06:08] <duncan_nz> that's what I thought - I'm just clutching at straws for what to do to get this app working.
[06:09] <duncan_nz> Amaranth, if it prints anything I can't find it. I've set 'ulimit -c unlimited' but I just can't find a core file anywhere.
[06:09] <Amaranth> These are not the right kind of details
[06:09] <duncan_nz> the app is gramps 3.1.1, genealogy package in python.
[06:09] <Amaranth> Seriously, don't act like the people that call me on the phone at work
[06:10] <duncan_nz> Amaranth, I can't play smarter than I am sorry. Your not obliged to help if you don't feel like it.
[06:10] <duncan_nz> I'm just stuck, that's all.
[06:10] <duncan_nz> I'll live ;-)
[06:11] <duncan_nz> Amaranth, but I would love a link or somthing on how to start tracking down the cause of a segfault.
[06:12] <Amaranth> hrm, gramps doesn't segfault here
[06:12] <Amaranth> and debugging a segfault in a python app is a little tricky
[06:12] <Amaranth> duncan_nz: If I had to guess I'd say it doesn't like the data you gave it
[06:12] <duncan_nz> you probably have 3.0.4, no? the current version is 3.1.1 but it's not in the repositories. I'm just trying to get it working.
[06:12] <Amaranth> Oh
[06:12] <Amaranth> Good luck with that.
[06:13] <dtchen> i think joe has a good intro to debugging python with gdb; let me dig it up
[06:13] <duncan_nz> dtchen, i'd love that.
[06:14] <duncan_nz> Amaranth, it's not the data. Remember gramps starts without loading any data, user has to choose the database to use.
[06:15] <dtchen> duncan_nz: hmm, i remembered it being more featureful, but that may be a product of sleep deprivation. Try http://code.google.com/p/quodlibet/wiki/Development_GDBTrace
[06:17] <duncan_nz> dtchen, thanks
[06:18] <maco> it *used* to autoload the most recent db
[06:18] <MBDL> Amaranth: THAT WORKED
[06:18] <maco> now it makes you choose
[06:18] <josh-l> is ktorrent still the torrent client for kde 4?
[06:18] <maco> i think so
[06:21] <MBDL> Amaranth: now if my prisms dont work is it the same kinda think
[06:21] <MBDL> thing*
[06:21] <Amaranth> possibly
[06:21] <Amaranth> MBDL: same thing, pastebin the output
[06:21] <MBDL> ok
[06:22] <DanaG> argh, supposedly vbox is supposed to support opengl in guest... but it sure doesn't work for me!
[06:22] <ghindo> I'm having trouble updating Brasero.  Even after apt-get update, upgrade, and dist-upgrade, the program is kept back.  How do I force an update?
[06:22] <MBDL> Amaranth: http://pastebin.com/d3576c81e
[06:23] <dtchen> DanaG: did you enable 3D accel in the guest settings?
[06:23] <Amaranth> MBDL: Different problem: prism is built against the wrong python
[06:23] <DanaG> Yeah.
[06:23] <MBDL> Amaranth: ok
[06:23] <DanaG> It fails to call driver entry point... and then can't find swrast_dri.so.
[06:23] <MBDL> so what version do i need
[06:23] <DanaG> And then if I symlink swrast back to vboxvideo, I get this:
[06:23] <DanaG> AIGLX error: swrast exports no DRI extension
[06:24] <DanaG> So, apparently, vboxvideo_dri.so does not export .... any DRI extensions.
[06:24] <Amaranth> MBDL: looks to actually be a bug in the xulrunner package
[06:24] <MBDL> Amaranth: ok
[06:25] <MBDL> Amaranth: go on....>:o
[06:25] <DanaG> Nobody's helping in #vbox.
[06:25] <DanaG> http://pastebin.com/f66336aae       -- guest dmesg
[06:25] <DanaG> http://pastebin.com/f544fc16a      -- guest xorg log
[06:25] <billybigrigger> DanaG, what are you trying to test in opengl?
[06:26] <DanaG> huh, not sure I get your question.
[06:26] <DanaG> Not even glxinfo works in the guest.
[06:26] <billybigrigger> what do you need opengl for?
[06:26] <billybigrigger> in virtualbox
[06:26] <DanaG> compiz, preferably.
[06:26] <billybigrigger> ooooh, ya that makes sense i guess...
[06:26] <Amaranth> MBDL: looks like maybe bug 209041 but that is a rather old bug
[06:26] <DanaG> But right now I just want to see if the thing even does what it claims to do... and for now, my answer seems to be "no"
[06:26] <billybigrigger> what version
[06:27] <billybigrigger> current in repos?
[06:27] <DanaG> name of display: :0.0                     Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".                             Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".                                Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".                             Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".                                Segmentation fault
[06:27] <DanaG> vbox 2.1 beta 2.
[06:27] <DanaG> CLAIMS... to offer opengl for Linux guests.
[06:27] <DanaG> It sure doesn't work for me.
[06:27] <billybigrigger> only in linux guests?
[06:27] <Amaranth> MBDL: bug 350720 is definitely it but may be a dupe
[06:27] <billybigrigger> and is that new as of 2.x?
[06:27] <DanaG> It already DOES offer for Windows guests.
[06:27] <billybigrigger> waaaa
[06:27]  * billybigrigger is behind the times
[06:28] <billybigrigger> haha, never knew that
[06:28] <MBDL> Amaranth: ill go lok at theat page then
[06:28] <Amaranth> MBDL: There are no fixes
[06:29] <MBDL> Amaranth: ok then thank you for your help!
[06:29] <MBDL> have a nice night everyone
[06:29] <MBDL> my nights made
[06:30] <DanaG> dtchen: are you using the vbox beta?
[06:30] <dtchen> Amaranth: even with the rebuilt xulrunner-1.9?
[06:31] <Amaranth> dtchen: *shrug*
[06:31] <Amaranth> dtchen: You'd wanna talk to MBDL about that
[06:31] <dtchen>   Installed: 1.9.0.8+nobinonly-0ubuntu2
[06:31] <dtchen>   Candidate: 1.9.0.8+nobinonly-0ubuntu2
[06:31] <dtchen> ^^ MBDL
[06:32] <dtchen>   * zero change rebuild to fix damage by python transition; see LP: #351988 and LP: #350594
[06:35] <MBDL> MBDL: yes
[06:36] <MBDL> dtchen: yes
[06:38] <dtchen> MBDL: which version of xulrunner-1.9 is installed?
[06:39] <MBDL> 1.9.0.8
[06:40] <DanaG> Argh, total lack of any sort of response in #vbox
[06:41] <MBDL> dtchen: 1.9.0.8
[06:41] <dtchen> DanaG: 2.2 beta 2? no, still 2.1.4
[06:41] <dtchen> MBDL: what's the output from: apt-cache policy xulrunner-1.9|grep Installed
[06:41] <syockit> hmm, i managed to get xulrunner-1.9 to get pyxpcom example working just the day before. i don't know why it won't work on just xulrunner, but it ran fine on firefox 3.0
[06:42] <MBDL> dtchen: Installed: 1.9.0.8+nobinonly-0ubuntu1
[06:43] <dtchen> MBDL: you're running the old xulrunner-1.9
[06:43] <macvr> hi all... just installed jaunty on my laptop, I have found a weird flickering on the right side of firefox, especially when scrolling, page loads... how do I resolve this?
[06:43] <dtchen> MBDL: please update to 1.9.0.8+nobinonly-0ubuntu2, which is fixed.
[06:43] <MBDL> dtchen: ok
[06:44] <MBDL> dtchen: its not in the package manger
[06:45] <dtchen> MBDL: use a current mirror (e.g., archive.ubuntu.com), and update && upgrade
[06:47] <MBDL> dtchen: http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu
[06:51] <MBDL> dtchen: ok i was on that main server not the us server
[06:52] <dtchen> MBDL: that's the Canonical partner repository.
[06:52] <dtchen> (which is quite distinct from the expected Ubuntu repository)
[06:53] <MBDL> dtchen: thx alot it worked
[06:53] <MBDL> :P
[06:53] <MBDL> :)
[07:01] <johninlex> does anyone know hpw to bypass or to fix  /sbin/getty/
[07:06] <johninlex> hey clearscreen  you around
[07:06] <clearscreen> yup
[07:07] <johninlex> hey by chance do you know how to repair /sbin/getty/
[07:07] <johninlex> after a fresh install
[07:07] <johninlex> and do you remember me?
[07:08] <clearscreen> no, but I have bad memory, dont worry about it :P
[07:08] <clearscreen> johninlex: I dont know how to repair it, but I can give you my version
[07:09] <johninlex> I dont think it would work, and I know I am in the wrong place for this but it is for 7.10
[07:09] <clearscreen> oh, yeah im on 9.04 :P
[07:10] <johninlex> the desktop is on 9.04 but the laptop I am am playing with is 7.10
[07:10] <frybye> re:
[07:10] <johninlex> I think I am going to have fun trying to rebuild it
[07:11] <johninlex> ok thanks later guys
[07:11] <billybigrigger> DanaG, what distro where you using to test opengl in vbox?
[07:14] <DanaG> oh, it's an lpia Intrepid, now.
[07:14] <DanaG> Before, it was an lpia Hardy.
[07:14] <DanaG> ... but I had to upgrade kernel and Xorg.
[07:16] <gohmifune> is there a way to get kwallet to automatically open on login?
[07:16] <coz_> gohmifune,  not sure about kde but cant you  put that in the start up sessions?
[07:16] <coz_> gohmifune,  you may want to ask that    question  on #kde
[07:17] <gohmifune> well, I didn't have this issue with 8.10
[07:17] <gohmifune> so I assume its a beta issue
[07:17] <zhurai> >.> just wondering, is it ok to test this in a VM or something (as I only have one computer - my laptop)? >.>
[07:17] <billybigrigger> DanaG, so you got it working then? im intsalling the fedora alpha now, want to know if i can expect it to work
[07:18] <coz_> gohmifune,  I am not sure
[07:19] <oOarthurOo> Hi... I click on about me, to set personal info, photo, etc... and I get an error, saying evolution can't handle the protocol
[07:19] <gohmifune> coz_ I'm sure I'll figure it out, thanks
[07:19] <DanaG> No, I still haven't gotten it working.
[07:19] <DanaG> It mysteriously fails, without any messages but that "failed to find driver entry point".. or whatever it was.
[07:20] <zhurai> :|
[07:20] <zhurai> nobody answers my question
[07:20] <oOarthurOo> "There was an error while trying to get the addressbook information Evolution Data Server can't handle the protocol"
[07:22] <rww> zhurai: yes, it is
[07:23] <DanaG> grr, damned virtualbox.
[07:23] <DanaG> I don't so much mind things failing; it's a sort of fact of life.
[07:23] <DanaG> What I hate, though, is things MYSTERIOUSLY failing, with no sort of debug messages.
[07:24] <zhurai> k
 What I hate, though, is things MYSTERIOUSLY failing, with no sort of debug messages. <-- what are you running?
[07:24] <SilentDis> hello
[07:24] <zhurai> ...hi?
[07:24] <oOarthurOo> fixed it. I uninstalled evolution-data-server. Perhaps the 'about me' plugin ought to set that package as depends.
[07:24] <SilentDis> is there a 'settings file' of sorts for network manager?
[07:26] <topyli> oOarthurOo: lots of apps use evolution-data-server. maybe it should be renamed to clear confusion :)
[07:26] <oOarthurOo> SilentDis: Rightclick on the tray icon and click edit connections, then always allow... then you get access to lots of settings.
[07:26] <SilentDis> Kubuntu 9.04 here.  I connect via EVDO.  pppd works fine (i'm connected right now from the command line tools) but network manager has problems.  keeps attempting to set the baud rate to an invalid number, so it fails.
[07:27] <SilentDis> oOarthurOo: the option i need isn't in there.  I found the connect line out of my /var/log/syslog and identified the problem, just don't know where/how to fix it lol
[07:27] <oOarthurOo> topyli: Yeah... maybe gnome-data-server and marked as depends for apps that break when removed.
[07:28] <oOarthurOo> Evolution, obviously, and apparently the "About me" tool as well.
[07:29] <topyli> oOarthurOo: i think this is a bug you should file againsta about-me. obvously it should depend on e-d-s
[07:29] <oOarthurOo> Still... jaunty is the bomb. I quit ubuntu after the disaster that was hardy, for me. But after reading about all the ext4 goodness I decided to give it another try and wow...
[07:29] <oOarthurOo> Yeah.. tomorrow I will head to launchpad and file it.
[07:30] <SilentDis> i keep hoping and wishing that network manager would do things a bit better... i think it might be time to throw in the towel on it permanantly and just manage it myself though >.<
 Still... jaunty is the bomb. I quit ubuntu after the disaster that was hardy, for me. But after reading about all the ext4 goodness I decided to give it another try and wow...   <-- :| too bad release isn't like in... 24 days?
[07:33] <topyli> in other news, i get no sound from flashplugin-nonfree in jaunty. my first time, i have always been lucky with sound :)
[07:33] <topyli> looks like it's trying to use alsa
[07:36] <topyli> hmm also, why is the volume control sitting in my notification area? i thought we were cleaning it up in jaunty
[07:38] <rww> topyli: it's not, it's sitting next to it
[07:38] <DanaG> Yeah... remove the friggin' update NOTIF******IER... and add a not-a-notification-at-all volume icon!
[07:38] <rww> should be, anyway
[07:38] <DanaG> =þ
[07:38] <DanaG> Makes perfect sense.
[07:38] <topyli> rww: nope, it's sitting between the empathy and nm-applet icons
[07:39] <rww> huh. i just picked up my notification area and dragged it across my panel and my volume control didn't come too
[07:39] <rww> odd
[07:39] <topyli> rww: different applet apparently
[07:39] <oOarthurOo> Ok.. filed a bug report now, cuz I'm so thankful for such a great beta. Anyone want to replicate and confirm it would be nice. And an easy fix. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evolution-data-server/+bug/352182
[07:39] <topyli> rww: i see a process called "gnome-volume-control-applet"
[07:40] <rww> oOarthurOo: will do
[07:40] <oOarthurOo> rww:  I dont' advise trying it if you use evolution :)
[07:40] <bot10> can somebody help me i can't get my network to work with ethernet, only wifi works. i've try sudo dhclient and many other commands
[07:40] <rww> oOarthurOo: I don't :)
[07:41] <bot10> im using ubuntu studio by the way
[07:41] <topyli> oOarthurOo: looks like a simple packaging bug. fix is to add e-d-s as dependancy to about-me
[07:41] <rww> topyli: says that at the bottom of the bug report :)
[07:42] <topyli> good, good :)
[07:43] <bot10> somebody handy with network?
[07:43] <topyli> rww: renaming e-d-s would be a good idea for upstream, this is a common cause of confusion. i like oOarthurOo's simple "gnome-data-server"
[07:43] <oOarthurOo> I probably filed it against the wrong package. But I didn't know where the "About me" tool is located.
[07:43] <bot10> i've try everything
[07:43] <rww> oOarthurOo: I'll fix it when I confirm it
[07:43] <oOarthurOo> thanks
[07:43] <zeltak2> Hi, im getting no sound in all my video players (smplayer,vlc, kaffine etc..) under jaunty...any idea why?
[07:44] <zeltak2> (im using kubuntu jaunty beta i might add)
[07:44] <rww> oOarthurOo: it's in gnome-control-center, btw
[07:45] <oOarthurOo> rww thx for info. I've really lost my ubuntu legs since switching to debian. But man is it nice to be back in the community. Forgot how great it was.
[07:45] <bot10> is there a way to reset network setting?
[07:45] <oOarthurOo> I guess we'll call the last year or so a lover's spat.
[07:45] <oOarthurOo> ;)
[07:47] <oOarthurOo> I think I remember topyli though... still in finland?
[07:48] <oOarthurOo> Thanks for confirming rww
[07:48] <bullgard4> http://packages.ubuntu.com/jaunty/sagemath does not mention libsage2. Why is that so?
[07:49] <rww> oOarthurOo: Forgot to check for duplicates first >.<
[07:49] <rww> oOarthurOo: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center/+bug/234885
[07:49] <oOarthurOo> rww embarassing because i did check... but I guess my description wasn't good enough to bring up relevant bug reports.
[07:50] <oOarthurOo> I'll mark as duplicate
[07:50] <oOarthurOo> wait... it says closed for intrepid.
[07:50] <rww> oOarthurOo: It's marked Fix Released, hence it now showing up.
[07:51] <rww> oOarthurOo: the logic behind that is odd.
[07:51] <topyli> oOarthurOo: yes in finland
[07:52] <oOarthurOo> rww: I dunno.. the last entry on that report is july. Should it be reopened, or is the new report valid?
[07:52] <oOarthurOo> topyli: Back in Canada now. I miss the bike paths of Oulu. :)
[07:52] <topyli> rww: i never did get the logic of "fix released" :/
[07:52] <topyli> so, this bug is fixed in mandriva or something, so we don't need to worry about it?
[07:53] <rww> oOarthurOo: It's the exact same bug, as far as I can see. I'd probably mark yours as dupe, then comment on the older report asking for an explanation of how not depending on something required to run a part of the package makes sense.
[07:53] <rww> but I'm not in a particularly-bold move, so I'll let you do that yourself :P
[07:53] <rww> s/move/mood/
[07:53] <oOarthurOo> Fair enough. I'll try that. I've had a few beers, so I'm about as bold as I get.
[07:53] <oOarthurOo> m:)
[07:53] <oOarthurOo> Thanks for the help.. night all
[07:55] <zeltak2> can anyone help with kubuntu playback problems?
[07:55] <topyli> or ubuntu ones, for that matter :(
[07:58] <Rolle> hey guys
[07:58] <Rolle> how to sudo apt-get update   from a cd?
[07:59] <zhurai> haven't tried jaunty yet...but should be the same as before O_o
[07:59] <Rolle> well i'm still newbish =p
[07:59] <zhurai> software sources -> Third Party Software -> add cd-rom
[08:00] <Rolle> yeah i guessed that
[08:00] <Rolle> but it still didn't read it in terminal
[08:00] <Rolle> i'd hate to delete the partition--that takes a long time
[08:01] <zhurai> uh
[08:01] <Rolle> i tried f2 update-manager -d
[08:01] <zhurai> what do you mean "read it in terminal"
[08:01] <zhurai> and are you in 8.10 or 9.04 right now
[08:01] <zhurai> and what are you trying to do >.>
[08:01] <Rolle> 9.04 alpha 6
[08:01] <Rolle> by reading in terminal--i mean it attempts to connect to server
[08:02] <zhurai> uhh... http://www.ubuntugeek.com/upgrade-ubuntu-810-intrepid-ibex-to-ubuntu-904-jaunty-jackalope-beta.html
[08:02] <zhurai> To upgrade from Ubuntu 8.10, press Alt+F2 and type in “update-manager -d” (without the quotes) into the command box.
[08:02] <Rolle> but unable to cause the new driver that it d/l from the last update broke my driver
 i tried f2 update-manager -d
[08:02] <zhurai> oh
[08:02] <Rolle> =p
[08:02] <zhurai> @_~
[08:03] <Rolle> heh...  i just need to fix the wifi driver.. but i'm not educated enough
[08:03] <Rolle> perhaps blacklisting whatever i have
[08:03] <zhurai> what last update do you mean?
[08:03] <zhurai> ...er
[08:03] <zhurai> what driver are you using...
[08:03] <Rolle> it was about a week about
[08:04] <Rolle> the driver i was using i'm not sure--most likely it was mad   for atheros
[08:04] <zhurai> hmm...
[08:05] <Rolle> if i had the newest updates i would think wifi would work as i burned the beta and wifi worked
[08:05] <zhurai> hm, you are on LAN right now I take it?
[08:05] <Rolle> nah
[08:05] <Rolle> on vista
[08:05] <Rolle> i'm dual boot
[08:06] <Rolle> if i had lan it would be mcuh easier =p  maybe i should go to the library
[08:06] <zhurai> ah
[08:06] <zhurai> hmm
[08:06] <Rolle> would be mucho easier
[08:06] <zhurai> oh
[08:06] <Rolle> but--if i have the new beta dowloaded to cd
[08:06] <zhurai> hmm...
[08:06] <Rolle> i should be able to update from it
[08:06] <zhurai> packages.ubuntu.com ?
[08:07] <zhurai> dl the debs, then mount vista in ubuntu?
[08:07] <Rolle> connecting online is out of the question
[08:07] <zhurai> O_-
[08:07] <Rolle> hmm
[08:07] <rww> Rolle: not if it isn't an alternate CD, you shouldn't.
[08:07] <Rolle> rww:  can you explain?
[08:08] <Rolle> if i have alpha and then burn an iso beta cd
[08:08] <Rolle> i can't update from it?
[08:08] <zhurai> I have a feeling that there isn't support to update from alpha's to beta's...
[08:08] <zhurai> >.>
[08:09] <zhurai> then again, what would I know right now
[08:09] <zhurai> gnight.
[08:09] <Rolle> there is no support for 9.04 =p
[08:09] <zhurai> <Rolle> there is no support for 9.04 =p <-- true..
[08:09] <Rolle> night zhurai thanks
[08:09] <zhurai> ...wee, school tomorrow as well
[08:09] <rww> Rolle: upgrading via CD only works with the alternate CD, not the desktop CD. Pretty sure, anyway; I'm double-checking, but my internet is being slow so it might take a minute.
[08:09] <Rolle> but this is still a channel for help =)
[08:09]  * zhurai knocks himself out
[08:10] <Rolle> the alternate cd??  that confuses me =p
[08:10] <rww> Rolle: Yup, there it is: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/JauntyUpgrades#Upgrading%20Using%20the%20Alternate%20CD/DVD
[08:11] <Rolle> hmmm i didn't find that page when googling
[08:11] <Rolle> thanks
[08:11]  * nandemonai jots that down.
[08:11] <rww> Rolle: if you go to the Jaunty download site (http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/9.04/), you'll see that it has Desktop CDs, Server install CDs, and Alternate install CDs. You can only upgrade from the latter.
[08:11] <nandemonai> I was always under the impression you could use the desktop CD too. :)
[08:12] <rww> nandemonai: I haven't tried it, but I figure there's a reason that every upgrade page specifically says Alternate CD (and bolds it)
[08:12] <Rolle> hmm i'm pretty sure i downloaded that iso though
[08:12] <nandemonai> Mmm would make sence considering the overhead the LiveCD has.
[08:12] <rww> and people ask questions about why upgrading from the desktop CD isn't working pretty frequently, so...
[08:12] <rww> nandemonai: yeah, that's what i figure too
[08:13] <rww> Rolle: what's the name of the iso you have?
[08:13] <Rolle> so i think i just need to follow instructions to upgrade
[08:13] <rww> Rolle: sounds like a plan
[08:13] <Rolle> ubuntu-9.04-beta-desktop-amd64
[08:13] <rww> Rolle: that's the desktop CD, not the alternate CD
[08:13] <Rolle> crap
[08:14] <Rolle> i need to steal some blank cds
[08:14] <ria> kann mann hier deutsch schreiben
[08:14] <ria> ?
[08:14] <Rolle> is the file smaller than 650
[08:14] <Rolle> ?
[08:14] <rww> Rolle: the upgrade instructions I linked have instructions for upgrading from the .iso, so if you can get the iso file to the computer you want to upgrade via USB flash drive or something,y ou don't need a CD
[08:14] <knitt1> having Xorg eat cpu-time is bad when on battery power :-$
[08:15] <rww> Rolle: ubuntu-9.04-beta-alternate-amd64.iso is 695M
[08:15] <Rolle> rww can i pm you?
[08:15] <Rolle> i don't want to spam here
[08:15] <Rolle> or flood channel
[08:15] <ria> boot problem with ati Radeon HD 2600 on laptop :-(
[08:15] <rww> Rolle: if you need to send something large, use pastebin.
[08:16] <rww> !pastebin
[08:16] <rww> if you're just worried about talking a lot, don't be :)
[08:16] <ria> asus f3ka
[08:16] <Rolle> rww:  yes the latter was my worry =)
[08:16] <Rolle> i have nothing to send
[08:17] <ria> ubuntu jaunty
[08:17] <ria> :-(
[08:17] <Rolle> rww:  so the solution is to find a blank cd then f2   update-manager -d
[08:17] <Rolle> ?
[08:18] <Rolle> and get the alternate cd of course
[08:19] <rww> Rolle: Get the alternate CD, burn it, then follow the instructions in https://help.ubuntu.com/community/JauntyUpgrades
[08:19] <ria> kann keiner mir helfen?
[08:19] <rww> (under "Upgrading Using the Alternate CD/DVD", obviously)
[08:19] <Rolle> thank you sir or maam
[08:19] <rww> ria: This is an English-language channel. There's a German one in #ubuntu-de
[08:19] <rww> Rolle: you're welcome :)
[08:20] <Rolle> i'm going to bug you again though when it doesn[t work =p
[08:20] <Rolle> <--- ultamite optimist heh
[08:20] <rww> Rolle: If you're lucky, I'll still be around =P
[08:21] <Rolle> most likely not--i think i used my last blank cd on the non-alternate
[08:21] <Rolle> such a douche
[08:21] <Rolle> =)
[08:22] <Rolle> and all i have left are 650mb re-writables
[08:22] <Rolle> urgh
[08:23] <Rolle> i'll just save this log and purchase a cd from store but thanks a bunch rww
[08:23] <rww> Rolle: no problem. good luck!
[08:24] <Rolle> ;)  thanks!  now i know why i have dual-boot heh
[08:24] <ria> rww: i cant find #ubuntu-de on irc.freenode.net ?
[08:24] <Rolle> ria:  i'm in it now
[08:25] <Rolle> /join #ubuntu-de
[08:25] <Rolle> should work
[08:25] <Rolle> ria:  what irc client are you on?
[08:26] <Rolle> nevermind
[08:26] <Rolle> i see you joined
[08:27] <ria> roolle: danke thank
[08:27] <Rolle> no danke needed =p
[08:28] <Rolle> time to watch dailyshow/colbert report
[08:32] <oOarthurOo> hi...rww here is my "bold" report https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center/+bug/234885
[08:32] <DJones> Does anybody have an old Nvidia Geforce 2 graphics card in a machine running jaunty, I've updated my desktop and hardware drivers doesn't appear to detect it and offer a restricted driver, it works fine with the "nv" driver without any desktop effects, my laptop withe a geforce2go card is detected, I'm just wondering if somebody has already reported this as a bug I can look at
[08:32] <oOarthurOo> I couldn't find a re-open option, so I went with new.
[08:33] <rohdef> how fast can I expect a new version of a package in Jaunty if the stable version is released today?
[08:34] <RAOF> rohdef: Not necessarily at all, if the new version introduces features.
[08:35] <rohdef> RAOF, and bugfixes, it's Mono 2.4 and Monodevelop 2.0, and since the current Monodevelop i beta 2 I would expect the stable one to come in Jaunty
[08:35] <rohdef> also since the Monodevelop in Janty is buggy
[08:36] <rww> rohdef: I seriously doubt that Ubuntu would upgrade Mono this late in the development cycle, but here's the process: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess
[08:36] <rohdef> ok, thanks
[08:36] <rww> rohdef: and by "seriously doubt" i mean "you're wasting your time" :P
[08:36] <ghindo> I've been unable to update Brasero, as it has been "kept back."  How do I force an update?
[08:37] <rww> ghindo: what command are you using to update it? sudo apt-get upgrade?
[08:37] <rohdef> rww, well it's monodevelop I'm most interested in ;)
[08:37] <RAOF> rohdef: Oooh, boy.  There's no chance that mono 2.4 will enter Jaunty.  There might be some chance of Monodevelop, though.
[08:37] <ghindo> rww: I've tried through both CLI and GUI and neither has worked.  I've done dist-upgrade, too
[08:38] <RAOF> rohdef: The debian-mono team will be on that, though, so there's probably no need to file any paperwork.
[08:38] <rohdef> ok, will there be an repository that might be worth looking for if I'm interested?
[08:38] <rww> ghindo: hmm. Do you get any explanatory text from the dist-upgrade?
[08:38] <rohdef> I might compile it myself, but it seems like a lot of work for very little gain
[08:40] <ghindo> rww: http://paste.ubuntu.com/141234/
[08:40] <rww> ghindo: weird. what about "sudo apt-get install brasero"?
[08:41] <ghindo> rww: http://paste.ubuntu.com/141235/
[08:41] <rww> thought so
[08:42] <rww> ghindo: yes, you want to continue
[08:42] <ghindo> rww: Cool, thanks :)
[08:43] <rww> ghindo: out of interest, did you upgrade from intrepid to jaunty? or is it a fresh jaunty install?
[08:43] <ghindo> I upgraded Hardy -> Intrepid -> Jaunty in one day.
[08:43] <ghindo> rww: :P
[08:43] <rww> ghindo: how? manually changing sources.list, or with update-manager -d or do-release-upgrade -d?
[08:43] <ghindo> rww: update-manager -d
[08:44] <ghindo> rww: I would have done a fresh install, but I didn't feel like doing all the data transfer
[08:44] <ghindo> rww: I realize that the route I took was kinda stupid, but everything works, so I'm happy
[08:45] <rww> ghindo: it's not that stupid. Hardy > Intrepid > Jaunty is the path you're supposed to take. I was just wondering, 'cause a couple of people have mentioned that problem and I was wondering why :)
[08:57] <syockit> in my opinion, multiple distro upgrade is a waste of bandwidth, but in most cases it's the only way to migrate all existing user data
[08:59] <jetienne> !gcc
[08:59] <jetienne> !info gcc
[09:00] <ghindo> syockit: Most of the time I prefer a clean install, but yeah, it's a pain to migrate all that data :/
[09:00] <jetienne> anybody got experience with gcc4.3.3... is it less buggy than the one on 8.10 ?
[09:01] <bullgard4>  http://packages.ubuntu.com/jaunty/sagemath: "Package: sagemath (3.0.5dfsg-3) [universe]: Mathematics software written in Python:Sage is a mathematical software package with support for a wide range of mathematics, including..." What does 'sage' stand here for?
[09:13] <vega> did jaunty have some hidden option to speed up booting?
[09:14] <BUGabundo> vega: nothing hidden as far as I know
[09:14] <BUGabundo> guud morning ppl
[09:14] <frybye> mornin BUGabundo
[09:15] <vega> i vaguely remember some option you could turn on if you had a multicore processor.. but could be wrong
[09:15] <frybye> vega: uses multicore by default or..?
[09:15] <rww> vega: google "CONCURRENCY=shell"
[09:16] <rww> vega: it doesn't speed things up much, though =/
[09:16] <rww> but it's what you're probably thinking of
[09:17] <vega> rww: ahh yes, thanks
[09:26] <UBN2> how can i run the Jaunty beta through a VM?
[09:27] <UBN2> ...
[09:28] <UBN2> ...hello???
[09:30] <Nephilus> How is jaunty? Would you guys recommend it? or is it to buggy?
[09:30] <UBN2> how can i run the Jaunty beta through a VM?
[09:33] <rww> Nephilus: It works fine for me. Your mileage may very, as always.
[09:34] <rww> UBN2: I don't understand your question. What, specifically, do you need help with?
[09:36] <UBN2> i want to know if it is possible to run the Jaunty beta through a virtual machine? like VMWare on Windows
[09:36] <rww> UBN2: it should be, yes
[09:36] <UBN2> is there a "VMWare" on Ubuntu?
[09:36] <rww> !vm
[09:36] <rww> I'd recommend VirtualBox
[09:37] <UBN2> ok, that's EXACTLY what i needed. thank you
[09:42] <BUGabundo> rww: what's that, the concurrency?
[09:43] <BUGabundo> vega: main changes are by using SSD or rotatory disks! you can choose the prefech mode
[09:43] <Nephilus> rww thank you for the opinion :) i might try it out :)
[09:46] <rww> BUGabundo: It runs multiple initscripts at once during bootup. It's an option in /etc/init.d/rc
[09:48] <BUGabundo> didn't know that
[09:48] <BUGabundo> it helps?
[09:52] <rww> BUGabundo: like I said, not much. I only mentioned it because someone asked about it.
[09:52] <BUGabundo> ok
[09:52] <BUGabundo> thanks non the less
[10:03] <Nephilus> I know this isn't the right channel but i cant get ubuntu to play a dvd it says i don't have permissions blah blah. i tried opening totem as root but then i didn't know how to open the file :( any ideas?
[10:03] <BUGabundo> never run as root Nephilus
[10:03] <BUGabundo> Nephilus: are you running jaunty?
[10:03] <Nephilus> no
[10:03] <BUGabundo> guud morning ianc
[10:03] <BUGabundo> Nephilus: what are you running?
[10:03] <Nephilus> intrepid
[10:04] <BUGabundo> Nephilus: please go to #ubuntu
[10:04] <Nephilus> can't ikonia here banned me
[10:04] <BUGabundo> there you will have user support for your version
[10:04] <BUGabundo> thanks
[10:04] <Nephilus> ikonia: why am i banned? i was just unbanned for about two hours.
[10:04] <BUGabundo> Nephilus: yes he can
[10:04] <BUGabundo> please refer to #ubuntu-ops for any ban prob
[10:23] <ActionParsnip1> is it just me or is jaunty significantly faster than intrepid?
[10:27] <eagles0513875> hey all
[10:27] <eagles0513875> im having some issues on jaunt 64bit with flash i have the nonfree plugin installed yet firefox on youtube site wants me to download it from adobe site
[10:29] <ActionParsnip1> eagles0513875: get the 64bit tar.gz of it and extract the .so file to ~/.mozilla/plugins  http://download.macromedia.com/pub/labs/flashplayer10/libflashplayer-10.0.22.87.linux-x86_64.so.tar.gz
[10:30] <eagles0513875> ActionParsnip1: im using what ever is in the repos
[10:31] <ActionParsnip1> eagles0513875: thats how i get mine going every time, i think the one in the repo is useless
[10:31] <eagles0513875> well anyway to get it corrected before jaunty is released
[10:31] <rww> same here on 64bit
[10:32] <eagles0513875> ok action thanks for the heads up
[10:32] <ActionParsnip1> eagles0513875: you will need to create ~/.mozilla/plugins
[10:32] <eagles0513875> thats not done by default
[10:32] <billybigrigger> 64bit flash in jaunty repos uses 32bit flashplugin with ndiswrapper
[10:33] <rww> billybigrigger: it doesn't use ndiswrapper. ndiswrapper is an unrelated thing to do with wifi drivers.
[10:33] <billybigrigger> my bad
[10:33] <eagles0513875> well the one in the repos billybigrigger doesnt work
[10:34] <ActionParsnip1> theres nspluginwrapper ;) but there is now a native flash so its not hugely needed
[10:34] <eagles0513875> ill just download from the site
[10:34] <billybigrigger> yes nsplginwrapper
[10:34] <rww> eagles0513875: good plan. the repo one sucks even when it does work :)
[10:34] <billybigrigger> rww, you seem to know more about it than me, but why does it use the 32bit version with nspluginwrapper
[10:34] <eagles0513875> ActionParsnip1: for some reason though when i click the link on youtube it takes me to the 32bit flash plugin
[10:35] <ActionParsnip1> eagles0513875: ive never used that so couldnt comment
[10:35] <rww> billybigrigger: because the 64-bit one is a beta, not stable. they're waiting for a stable release before putting it in the repos
[10:35] <billybigrigger> hmm ic
[10:35] <rww> that was the word on the street a few weeks ago, anyway
[10:35] <ActionParsnip1> eagles0513875: i have the file ready and waiting to be used in fresh installs so i never see errors stating i dont have flash
[10:35] <eagles0513875> interesting
[10:36] <eagles0513875> are you running the beta 64bit
[10:36] <billybigrigger> what's proper remove procedures for the flash from repos? sudo apt-get purge flashplugin-nonfree && sudo apt-get autoremove?? or is the autoremove not needed?
[10:36] <ActionParsnip1> eagles0513875: i do
[10:36] <eagles0513875> does it work just fine
[10:37] <ActionParsnip1> billybigrigger: sudo apt-get --purge remove flashplugin-nonfree && sudo apt-get --purge autoremove
[10:37] <ActionParsnip1> eagles0513875: absolutely
[10:37] <billybigrigger> oohh yes
[10:37] <ActionParsnip1> eagles0513875: only downside is that you have to manually update it as it is not part of a package
[10:38] <eagles0513875> blarg
[10:38] <eagles0513875> are there any open source alternatives to flash
[10:38] <billybigrigger> i dont think they work as well
[10:38] <ActionParsnip1> gnash, swfplayer
[10:38] <inter4ever> j6jm8rt3py
[10:38] <rww> !gnash > eagles0513875 (Please see message from the bot)
[10:38] <eagles0513875> thanks rww
[10:39] <eagles0513875> gnash i never got to work :(
[10:39] <ActionParsnip1> eagles0513875: its not such a bad thing, adobe suck and only release a new version about twice a millenia
[10:39] <eagles0513875> flash suxs period
[10:39] <ActionParsnip1> well, that too
[10:39] <rww> one day, gnash will be usable. That'll be a very happy day for me :)
[10:39] <ActionParsnip1> well actualy flash is great, its just popreitary adobe crapness that makes it suck
[10:39] <inter4ever> any idea why vmmouse is not enabled in jaunty beta while running in vmware?
[10:40] <ActionParsnip1> if flash was open, the world would be a happy place, but as stated earlier, adobe sucks
[10:41] <eagles0513875> i know
[10:41]  * eagles0513875 wonders what knowledge one would need to know to program open source alternative
[10:41]  * eagles0513875 for flash O_O
[10:42] <RAOF> eagles0513875: Ask the gnash & swfdec developers.
[10:42] <ActionParsnip1> ask the gnash team
[10:42] <RAOF> Mainly not knowledge; mainly time and effort.
[10:43] <eagles0513875> RAOF: i dont know much programming right now
[10:43] <eagles0513875> if i land this software programming job ill be able to help out alot more
[10:44]  * RAOF wonders how you'll land "this programming jub" without knowing much programming.
[10:44] <RAOF> Anyway, one of the good ways to learn is to do; grab the source, try to figure out what's going on, try to fix something.
[10:45] <eagles0513875> RAOF: they will give me the training
[10:45] <eagles0513875> im kinda banned till after jaunty release from dev channel to get any help
[10:46] <ActionParsnip1> how do you get banned, just dont troll, stay on-topic and be civil and you'll never get banned
[10:46] <eagles0513875> well this was ages ago
[10:46] <eagles0513875> after jaunty releases ill go talk to ops again
[10:46] <Omni> Well hello, So apt is segfaulting
[10:47] <Omni> libc related (: anybody got time?
[10:48] <ActionParsnip1> Omni: can you pastebin the output of: sudo apt-get clean; sudo apt-get update
[10:49] <Omni> Would you like the related log/messages error first?
[10:49] <Omni> theres 200mb of updates stuck in there :/
[10:49] <ActionParsnip1> Omni: these messages will help
[10:49] <Omni> -prefers not to clean again-
[10:49] <inter4ever> usb startup disk creator fails and gives me error "cannot determine partition umber", any solutions?
[10:50] <ActionParsnip1> ok then. does sudo apt-get update pass ok?
[10:50] <ActionParsnip1> inter4ever: does it show up in   sudo fdisk -l
[10:51] <Omni> http://pastebin.com/m25046fb5 ActionParsnip1
[10:51] <Omni> The second is obviously where it breaks
[10:52] <scizzo-> moin
[10:53] <inter4ever> ActionParsnip1: disk /dev/sdb doesn't contain a valid partition table, because i encoutered this error when it was formatted to fat and though that might be the cause
[10:54] <ActionParsnip1> inter4ever: sounds likely
[10:54] <ActionParsnip1> Omni: try: sudo apt-get -f install
[10:54] <rww> Omni: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1095767
[10:54] <ActionParsnip1> rww: nice one
[10:55] <Omni> been there, done that :) didn't work
[10:55] <Omni> It even faults in recovery mode
[10:56] <ActionParsnip1> Omni: if all else fails you could use the cd to reinstall apt with dpkg
[10:56] <ActionParsnip1> Omni: can you pastebin the output of    dmesg | tail
[10:57] <Omni> I don't think it's apt, i think that it's libc2.9.so (part of libc6)
[10:57] <Omni> and that just outputs a bunch of the segfaults and a few lines about wifi, probably not noteworthy
[10:58] <Omni> http://pastebin.com/m3fa92cfd
[10:58] <ActionParsnip1> Omni: well whatever it is it looks like it may need reinstalling
[10:58] <Omni> Yeah i'm about at this stage as well, last thing i'll try is building libc6 from source
[10:58] <inter4ever> ActionParsnip1: couldn't repartion the flash disk, restarted reformatted and it's working now and creating the usb boot disk :)
[11:00] <ActionParsnip1> inter4ever: sweet, wtg
[11:00] <ActionParsnip1> Omni: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1095612
[11:01] <inter4ever> now time to figure out how to get vmmouse driver working in a virtual machine, usually it's enabled automatically
[11:01] <ActionParsnip1> Omni: does it happen with other log ons?
[11:01] <Omni> Uhm i actually don't have any?
[11:01] <Omni> want me to try as root?
[11:02] <ActionParsnip1> no
[11:02] <Omni> (also running that command from the forum now)
[11:02] <ActionParsnip1> and root is disabled anyway
[11:02] <Omni> figured it would be
[11:02] <ActionParsnip1> add a new user and log in as it, make sure it has sudo rights
[11:02] <ActionParsnip1> !adduser
[11:04] <Omni> ahh, heres' the second issue after about 6 or so of the segfaults I get a new error :/
[11:04] <Omni> Preconfiguring packages ...
[11:04] <Omni> (Reading database ... dpkg: unrecoverable fatal error, aborting: malloc failed (-1898410296 bytes): Cannot allocate memory
[11:04] <Omni> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2)
[11:04] <Omni> sorry!!
[11:05] <Omni> ugh, i was trying to paste the pastebin link :/ cool! lol.
[11:05] <Omni> http://pastebin.com/m76b36391
[11:05] <ActionParsnip1> Omni: tried a reboot?
[11:05] <Omni> Well every time i reboot i'll get another 6 tries at apt and then memory erros
[11:05] <draitz> i installed firefox-3.1 from the jaunty repo, but firefox is still reporting 3.0.8.  any ideas ?
[11:05] <Omni> so i'll reboot now (this is on a screen session so i'll still be in)
[11:05] <Omni> brb
[11:07] <topyli> bah. i installed pidgin just to make some use of the indicator applet but now it doesn't show up there :(
[11:07] <topyli> (pidgin doesn't show up in the applet, that is)
[11:09] <ActionParsnip1> topyli: do you mean in the system tray?
[11:09] <topyli> ActionParsnip1: no, not the notification area. the new indicator applet
[11:10] <ActionParsnip1> topyli: what does te applet do?
[11:10] <Omni> ActionParsnip1: back
[11:10] <topyli> ActionParsnip1: in theory, it will in future collect all messaging notifications under a sigle applet
[11:10] <Omni> No change, Still segfaultin'
[11:11] <topyli> ActionParsnip1: so far it only supports evolution and pidgin
[11:12] <topyli> so unless you use the ubuntu defaults exclusively, the new applet does not save panel space but wastes more of it
[11:12] <topyli> nor does it reduce confusion but increases it
[11:13] <ActionParsnip1> topyli: sounds like a white elephant to me
[11:13] <topyli> ActionParsnip1: well if you *do* use ubuntu defaults, it works okay
[11:13] <ActionParsnip1> topyli: i use very few defaults
[11:14] <topyli> ActionParsnip1: don't worry about a thing then! :)
[11:14] <ActionParsnip1> topyli: i generally dont, im usually in here helping ;)
[11:14] <topyli> i use evolution, so this applet is a regression for me. there seems to be no way to get the old notification icon now
[11:15] <ActionParsnip1> topyli: maybe in #evolution someone can help
[11:16] <topyli> in #evolution they'll probably tell you to use a non-broken desktop
[11:19] <topyli> ah pidgin-libnotify talks to the applet, didn't have it installed
[11:19] <ActionParsnip1> Omni: you could use your install media and reinstall debs using dpkg for libc and/or apt to see if it makes it groovy
[11:20] <ActionParsnip1> Omni: but its a bit OTT, i'd log a bug and ask later
[11:21] <Omni> hmm yeah, i think it's a task for tomorrow, I'll idle in here overnight so if anything comes up /query me (: but thanks for your help anyway
[11:21] <Omni> I hope i get this sorted soon, Having no apt is like having no arms.
[11:21] <eagles0513875> omni
[11:21] <eagles0513875> have u tried this
[11:21] <eagles0513875> !aptfix | Omni
[11:21] <eagles0513875> have u tried that out
[11:21] <eagles0513875> doh *you
[11:22] <Omni> it's not locked it's segfaulting but i'll run it now anyway
[11:22] <eagles0513875> that might help as well at least get the updates installed though for you
[11:23] <Omni> nah, still faults :(
[11:23] <eagles0513875> hummm
[11:24] <eagles0513875> thats strange i havent had that issue
[11:24] <eagles0513875> i just installed intrepid and upgraded to the beta and it works fine for me
[11:25] <Omni> yeah, you upgraded via update-manager -d right?
[11:25] <Omni> See i got a sneaky message about libc before it installed. I clicked through and now apt is dead.
[11:27] <eagles0513875> i dunno what would happen if you remove or purge it
[11:27] <Omni> hmm
[11:28] <eagles0513875> is this a testing system
[11:28] <eagles0513875> Omni: are you running the updates from command line
[11:28] <Omni> actually it's my laptop
[11:28] <Omni> and uh yes
[11:28] <Omni> but the update manager won't work either, cause it uses apt
[11:28] <eagles0513875> can u open up adept at all
[11:29] <eagles0513875> is there a reinstall command for apt that you can run in command line
[11:31] <Omni> probably apt-get remove apt; apt-get install apt :O
[11:31] <Omni> hahah
[11:33] <eagles0513875> lol i think if im not mistake that broke my whole install
[11:33] <eagles0513875> im saying remove the libc
[11:33] <Omni> you didn't run it did you?
[11:36] <eagles0513875> i did but not today
[11:36] <eagles0513875> lol
[11:36] <Omni> oh, please don't :/
[11:37] <eagles0513875> im not omni
[11:37] <eagles0513875> im guessing this is jaunty ur running
[11:37] <eagles0513875> *you are
[11:37] <Omni> yeah
[11:37] <eagles0513875> strange
[11:38] <eagles0513875> u did something to bork ur apt
[11:38] <eagles0513875> *youre
[11:38] <eagles0513875> your
[11:38] <Omni> yeah ah well. i'll get it done tomorrow
[11:38] <Omni> i'll just compile things from source for a few days
[11:39] <eagles0513875> omni
[11:39] <eagles0513875> speaking of source
[11:39] <eagles0513875> lol you gave me an idea
[11:39] <Omni> sauce?
[11:39] <eagles0513875> is there source available for apt
[11:39] <Omni> yeah
[11:39] <Omni> but i think the problems with libc
[11:39] <eagles0513875> compile it from source
[11:39] <Omni> rather than apt
[11:39] <eagles0513875> i recommend removing libc
[11:40] <eagles0513875> and see if it fixes it
[11:40] <eagles0513875> omni ill be back after lunch
[11:42] <Omni> I can't actually remove packages
[11:42] <Omni> you know since apt is broken
[12:22] <bullgard4>  http://packages.ubuntu.com/jaunty/sagemath: "Package: sagemath (3.0.5dfsg-3) [universe]: Mathematics software written in Python:Sage is a mathematical software package with support for a wide range of mathematics, including..." What does 'sage' stand here for?
[12:26] <holdenss> why does this channel now require rego?
[12:30] <BUGabundo> holdenss: what's "rego"?
[12:30] <scizzo-> was asking my self also what rego means
[12:31] <holdenss> register your nick
[12:31] <holdenss> i got a msg regarding it
[12:31] <scizzo-> holdenss: spam maybe
[12:31] <scizzo-> holdenss: bots
[12:31] <scizzo-> holdenss: etc
[12:32] <BUGabundo> yeah
[12:32] <BUGabundo> I never had to register my nick before
[12:32] <balachmar> Hi when I upgraded to 9.04 my flash is not working anymore. Anyone else had this problem?
[12:32] <BUGabundo> balachmar: flash? as in flash drive?
[12:32] <balachmar> BUGabundo: No is in Adobe Flash
[12:33] <BUGabundo> ahh
[12:33] <BUGabundo> let me see
[12:33] <scizzo-> balachmar: 64 bit system?
[12:33] <BUGabundo> asac: any thing new with flash ?
[12:33] <balachmar> scizz0-: Nope 32 bit
[12:33] <scizzo-> balachmar: using gnash or what are you using?
[12:33] <balachmar> flashplugin-nonfree
[12:33] <scizzo-> balachmar: and what happens when you try to play flash movies etc?
[12:34] <scizzo-> balachmar: do you get any error or what in the browser?
[12:34] <balachmar> I get a download adobe flash button :)
[12:34] <balachmar> @southpark
[12:34] <scizzo-> balachmar: type in: about:plugins in the browser url feild
[12:34] <scizzo-> balachmar: check what plugins are mentioned there
[12:35] <scizzo-> balachmar: also do a: dpkg -l | grep flash
[12:35] <scizzo-> balachmar: and tell us what the first line says....if it says rc or ii
[12:35] <balachmar> scizzo-:Flash is not mentioned @ about:plugins
[12:36] <balachmar> scizzo-: It says ii
[12:36] <scizzo-> balachmar: what firefox version are you using?
[12:37] <balachmar> scizzo-: 3.08 standard from jaunty
[12:37] <scizzo-> balachmar: sounds like the flash files are not properly installed then
[12:37] <scizzo-> balachmar: I would suggest you try to remove the package and install it again
[12:38] <Ienorand> balachmar: sudo apt-get reinstall flashplugin-nonfree? Tried?
[12:38] <balachmar> Ienorand: tried reinstall, now trying remove --> install
[12:39] <scizzo-> balachmar: have you ever compiled your own version of flash before?
[12:39] <Ienorand> balachmar: oh, sorry, though that was a valid one...
[12:39] <balachmar> scizzo-: nope
[12:39] <scizzo-> Ienorand: it will install the cached downloaded version of the package
[12:39] <balachmar> scizzo-: or at least not on this machine :P
[12:39] <scizzo-> balachmar: right
[12:42] <balachmar> scizzo-: and a reinstall works!
[12:42] <balachmar> scizzo-: uhm, remove and install...
[12:43] <scizzo-> balachmar: tada
[12:43] <balachmar> scizzo-: :)
[12:43]  * scizzo- goes back to his reading
[12:52] <kushalone> (cross-posted from #ubuntu) Since 9.04 is near release, I decided to try the beta (downloaded March 30, 2009) on Parallels Desktop 4.0 for Mac (4.0.3810) on my early 2006 Intel Macbook with Tiger (10.4.11). I would like to report that Ubuntu seems unable to pick up the cursor from the host. Any ideas?
[12:54] <kushalone> FYI, I do not NEED to use 9.04, I just wanted to help testing it before it is released. :)
[13:07] <Ienorand> kushalone: are there anything like open-vm-tools for parallels?
[13:13] <kushalone> not sure. I have successfully run 8.10 as a live CD before.
[13:15] <Ienorand> http://www.parallels.com/download/workstation/ (tgz archive) seems to have a vm-tools iso that you might want to try installing, but I suppose it really *should* work straight on, bug mayhaps.
[13:15] <kushalone> Ienorand, KDE worked but I had issues with KDE (Kubuntu Live CD 8.10) regarding screen resolution but Gnome (Ubuntu 8.10 Live CD) was almost too good to be true. Gnome detected screen resolution perfectly.
[13:19] <freinhard> hi!
[13:19] <kushalone> Ugh, do I need to "make" it myself?
[13:20] <eagles0513875> Omni: hey
[13:21] <freinhard> anyone using apt-cacher? can't get updates for some sources like jaunty-updates/[main|restricted|universe|multiverse] Translation-de
[13:24] <DennisBagley> hello - can anyone help a little with radeonhd - it seems to be moving quickly so google / forums out of date
[13:24] <Ienorand> kushalone: I don't know since I don't use parallels, but if it's similar to vmware you just connect the iso to the guest system and it should install fairly easily, I think...
[13:26] <DennisBagley> i installed the deb in jaunty and updated xorg.conf but no joy - not even sure if its running - ps - if you cant help at least let me know you can see this msg
[13:26] <stewart_> have there been any problems booting jaunty after first install on sunvm box?
[13:29] <Ienorand> DennisBagley: I hear you, no idea of any solution though
[13:31] <eagles0513875> what alternatives are there to knetwork manager
[13:31] <Tekno> wicd
[13:33] <eagles0513875> Tekno: will i be able to use it to connect to wifi networks and what not
[13:33] <EvilRoey> eagles0513875:  wifiradar
[13:33] <EvilRoey> ?
[13:33] <EvilRoey> eagles0513875:  it's an alternative
[13:33] <EvilRoey> I think
[13:33] <eagles0513875> EvilRoey: that just tells ya whats in teh area
[13:33] <eagles0513875> ill try it out
[13:34] <EvilRoey> ok
[13:35] <mysticdarkhack> morning
[13:35] <sandeep> mourning
[13:36] <mysticdarkhack> does anyone here have screen-resolution installed on jaunty?
[13:36] <eagles0513875> morning
[13:36] <sandeep> wrong chan >.<
[13:37] <mysticdarkhack> When I did an upgrade from intrepid, I sort of missing some package and not many are upgrade.
[13:37] <mysticdarkhack> so trying to see if screen resolution is installed on jaunty
[13:38] <mysticdarkhack> or whatever the name for screen-resolution manager is
[13:41] <kushalone> Ienorand, I will try to install 8.10 just to be sure. Will be back to report success/failure.
[13:41] <Ienorand> mysticdarkhack: gnome-display-properties
[13:44] <mysticdarkhack> Ienorand, ty
[13:51] <mysticdarkhack> seem gnome-display-properties is not in package repository
[13:53] <crdlb> it's a command
[13:53] <crdlb> note that the capplet was renamed to 'Display'
[13:54] <mysticdarkhack> ohh
[14:06] <fyl0n> Asus 1000H WIFI isn't working by default with Beta 9.04.. Is this normal??
[14:07] <fyl0n> Unsecured wifi is np.. but WPA2 secured wifi will not connect at all..
[14:07] <fyl0n> what todo?
[14:08] <BUGabundo> fyl0n: search LP for similar bugs?
[14:08] <BUGabundo> if not there, file a new one!
[14:09] <fyl0n> Dunno if it's a bug..
[14:09] <crdlb> wpa not working is a bug
[14:09] <fyl0n> so it's a known issue
[14:09] <crdlb> no
[14:09] <fyl0n> Then I must wait I guess
[14:09] <BUGabundo> no
[14:10] <BUGabundo> you must search for similar bugs or file a new one
[14:10] <BUGabundo> apw: those the kernel team know about any serious wpa bug for the eeepc 1000Hx?
[14:11] <fyl0n> hmm how can I determine what bug I have?
[14:13] <BUGabundo> humm
[14:13] <BUGabundo> wpa doesn't connect
[14:13] <BUGabundo> sounds easy
[14:13] <fyl0n> yeah :)
[14:13] <fyl0n> indeed
[14:13] <BluesKaj> 'Morning Folks
[14:14] <BUGabundo> plus you will need your card id
[14:14] <BUGabundo> lspci -vv should help
[14:14] <BUGabundo> or lsub -vv
[14:14] <fyl0n> thanx :)
[14:14] <Machtin> i set up an sftp-server via ssh without shell login.. is there any way to read/enable logs?
[14:22] <tomaz> hello ;D
[14:22] <BUGabundo> tomaz: hi
[14:22] <tomaz> people, I messed my xorg-config by instaling nvidia-proprietary 180.44 from nvidia site.
[14:22] <tomaz> then I tryed to revert it, reinstalling ubuntu-nvidia-proprietary from the gnome-hardware thingy
[14:23] <BluesKaj> Machtin, are you using a SSH-GUI ?
[14:23] <tomaz> but now I don't got a working OpenGL, ( Error: couldn't get an RGB, Double-buffered visual )
[14:23] <crdlb> tomaz: yeah, you can't do that
[14:23] <crdlb> that's the whole reason why the nvidia installer should be avoided
[14:23] <tomaz> crdlb: well, I know that now ;D
[14:23] <crdlb> now you just have a mess :)
[14:23] <adred> USB startup disk creator broke my flash drive. It won't automount on boot anymore. is there any workaround for this?
[14:23] <tomaz> there's any way to get back to factory defaults?
[14:23] <crdlb> tomaz: first thing to do is to run the nvidia uninstaller
[14:24] <crdlb> tomaz: sudo sh NVIDIA-whatever --uninstall
[14:24] <Hlini> Hello everyone.
[14:24] <tomaz> and by NVIDIA-whatevar you mean the install package from the nvidia site?
[14:24] <tomaz> hullo hlini
[14:24] <crdlb> tomaz: yes
[14:25] <oly> hi, i have been having random freezes on jaunty i think its something todo with nvidia or xserver but it could even be the kernel :p
[14:25] <Hlini> Is there anyone in here that has been trying to install b34-fwcutter recently?
[14:25] <bsnider> welcome to moleman in the morning. good moleman to you.
[14:25] <oly> been looking in log files etc but not finding any problems
[14:26] <BluesKaj> tomaz, ok remove the downloaded driver , sudo dpkg -r nameofdriver , then open adept type in nvidia  modelnumber , check for yopur card in the list and install the driver , that your card is listed under ...prolly the 180.
[14:26] <oly> where are the best places to look ? or tools to help find the problem and when i mean freeze no mouse or keyboard functionality and screen is locked on what ever it had before
[14:26] <oly> it may be reported as a bug already but at the moment not even sure what i would file it against
[14:27] <tomaz> uh
[14:27] <tomaz> just that
[14:27] <tomaz> worked
[14:27] <tomaz> thanks, you deserve a kiss
[14:27] <crdlb> lol
[14:27] <crdlb> the nvidia driver is working already?
[14:27]  * BUGabundo gets a few step back... quickly
[14:27] <tomaz> yeah o.o
[14:28] <tomaz> but, sadly I'm getting a slow composite when TwinView is enabled
[14:28] <tomaz> ( but it was already this way before )
[14:28] <BUGabundo> tomaz: try to disable inderect rendering
[14:28] <tomaz> indirect rendering? you mean double buffer?
[14:29] <crdlb> if you have a 6 series or above, are you using the latest version? (nvidia-glx-180)
[14:29] <tomaz> I'm using the latest version, yes. and I ave an 8400GS.
[14:29] <BUGabundo> no tomaz
[14:29] <BUGabundo> I mean
[14:29] <BUGabundo> compiz inderect rendering
[14:29] <tomaz> BUGabundo: and I'm using 'force direct rendering', just checked.
[14:30] <tomaz> not using compiz. ( kwin, but I'm not on  kubuntu since I compiled kde myself. )
[14:30] <BUGabundo> plus see if you can dizable vsync
[14:31] <adred> hi, has anyone encountered automounting a flash drive on boot? bios can't detect my flash drive after i created a startup disk using usb startup disk creator
[14:31] <bsnider> tomaz, the latest driver has fixes for kde problems, the 180.44 driver
[14:32] <bsnider> i don't think it's packaged yet though
[14:32] <tomaz> bsnider: yah, and I got a really huge problem trying to install it. like opengl not working. o.o'
[14:32] <tomaz> but I used nvidia-installer
[14:32] <bsnider> avenard.org might have a packaged verion, i'm not sure
[14:33] <bsnider> tomaz, packaged version: http://www.avenard.org/files/ubuntu-repos/release/
[14:34] <tomaz> hm... what's avenard actually?
[14:34] <bsnider> it's a repo created by jean-yves avenard
[14:34] <tomaz> trusted?
[14:34] <bsnider> sure
[14:34] <tomaz> ( bit of maniac here. )
[14:35] <bsnider> i used it alot
[14:35] <bsnider> you can always blow it away if it doesn't work can't you?
[14:36] <tomaz> yah. ;)
[14:36] <tomaz> but you know how it is ... ;D
[14:36] <tomaz> I completely destroyed my system about 5 times last month
[14:36] <bsnider> install the modaliases package too and you can use jockey to make sure you've got a good xorg.conf
[14:36] <tomaz> just trying beta and RC stuff.
[14:37] <BluesKaj> tomaz , so is the driver working for you now ?
[14:37] <tomaz> yes, it is.
[14:37] <BluesKaj> ok good
[14:38] <tomaz> but... I wanna try the .44 since my windows are a bit weird sometimes ( lots of painting glitches using 180.37 )
[14:38] <bsnider> .44 has fixes for kwin
[14:38] <BluesKaj> bsnider is that url setup as a repos or ?
[14:38] <bsnider> BluesKaj, deb http://www.avenard.org/files/ubuntu-repos intrepid release
[14:39] <bsnider> it's set up for intrepid
[14:39] <tomaz> bsnider: little tip. the line that that dude asks to add on sources.list is deb http://www.avenard.org/files/ubuntu-repos intrepid release, should I rename it to jaunty release?
[14:39] <bsnider> not that it much matters in this case
[14:40] <bsnider> tomaz, no, because it would fail
[14:40] <tomaz> ah, ok
[14:40] <bsnider> it also may not cooperate as an apt repository in jaunty. you might have to install the packages manually
[14:41] <tomaz> bsnider: didin't worked. http://pastebin.ca/1377896
[14:44] <bsnider> i resolved the libartsc0 problem by manually installing the intrepid package. i don't know why it's conflicting with xserver-xorg-core
[14:44] <tomaz> me neither. I will wait a bit.
[14:44] <tomaz> odds are that .44 driver will not be avaliable to 9.04 in the oficial repos, right?
[14:45] <bsnider> oh i'm sure efforts are already under way to package it
[14:45] <zimnyx> How can I install Jaunty from pendrive?
[14:45] <bsnider> .37 wasn't even nvidia's official driver, so i can't believe they're staying with it
[14:46]  * cwillu_clone smacks his head
[14:46] <cwillu_clone> a day now, I've been thinking I forgot how to build a kernel
[14:46] <cwillu_clone> as it turns out, I just wasn't waiting long enough for grub to load it in
[14:46] <cwillu_clone> anyone ever see a kernel take >5 minutes to _load_?  (i.e., before usplash even comes up, but after you select the kernel in grub)
[14:47] <BUGabundo> cwillu_clone: not here
[14:47] <BUGabundo> only when booting from USB disk
[14:47] <cwillu_clone> BUGabundo, not a premade binary kernel, a make-kpkg'd kernel?
[14:47] <bsnider> tomaz, http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?s=53c24d5f4bf7ad0c354023e2ad931d37&p=6981927&postcount=636
[14:47] <syockit> I'd never see that, even from usb disk
[14:47] <BUGabundo> cwillu_clone: then no
[14:48] <cwillu_clone> the normal kernels boot up in a split second
[14:48] <cwillu_clone> ah well
[14:48] <syockit> the last time I booted a make-kpkg'd kernel, it wasn't that slow. to be frank, it wasn't of much difference
[14:49]  * cwillu_clone resumes git bisect'ing
[14:49] <cwillu_clone> syockit, not doing it for any performance benefits :p
[14:49] <cwillu_clone> although I might turn on force-preempt
[14:49] <tomaz> cwillu_clone: did you alt+f1 on boot time to see what's happening?
[14:49] <cwillu_clone> tomaz, this is before the kernel has even started
[14:49] <cwillu_clone> i.e., there's no alt-f1 to hit
[14:50] <syockit> something wrong with the bootloader then
[14:50] <Twigathy> w/ 2
[14:50] <Twigathy> 2no
[14:50] <Twigathy> NOI
[14:50] <Twigathy> ...bad keyboard
[14:50] <cwillu_clone> works fine with the normal kernels though
[14:51] <cwillu_clone> probably just something weird in .config I guess
[14:52] <tomaz> gonna reestart to see if something went bad here.
[14:53]  * cwillu_clone hopes tomaz wasn't talking about him
[14:55]  * cwillu_clone git bisect bad's
[15:10] <Laser87> hi! are there known bugs with amsn in jaunty?
[15:12] <freinhard> headphoneplug doesn't mute speakers on intel hardware, can someone confirm?
[15:13] <freinhard> got that on ICH4 and ICH5
[15:15] <BUGabundo> Laser87: 2nd today asking
[15:18] <Laser87> BUGabundo: so known and no necessary to write a bug-report?
[15:18] <BUGabundo> humm
[15:18] <BUGabundo> just ask on #pidgin
[15:18] <BUGabundo> bah
[15:18] <BUGabundo> on #amsn I mean
[15:18] <BUGabundo> I think it's a MSFT thing
[15:19] <Laser87> BUGabundo: amsn same version works perfect with 8.10
[15:20] <bsnider> Laser87, there's another msn-centric chat program called emesene that might work better
[15:21] <Laser87> bsnider: that#S not the question - question is bug-report or not
[15:21] <BUGabundo> sure, why not
[15:21] <BUGabundo> by the time anyone reads it
[15:21] <BUGabundo> MSFT will have change it back
[15:21] <BUGabundo> it would only work, if you *also* file it upstream
[15:22] <BUGabundo> but looking as more users are already complaining, *they* should now about it
[15:22] <Laser87> looks like no interest in making ubuntu better for some people here - thank you...
[15:23] <bsnider> Laser87, stop wasting everybody's time and search paunchpad bugs yourself
[15:24] <BUGabundo> bsnider: it not even a question to be fixed in Ubuntu
[15:24] <BUGabundo> but upstream
[15:24] <bsnider> then what's he whining about?
[15:24] <Laser87> bsnider: i waited for this answer - so you can close #ubuntu+1
[15:25] <Laser87> BUGabundo: why isn't it related with ubuntu? when same version works in 8.10, but not in jaunty?
[15:25] <BluesKaj> amsn isn't logging in for me either ...must be a bug
[15:26] <Laser87> BluesKaj: right - in 8.10, same version, same profile, it works
[15:26] <BUGabundo> Laser87: sometimes libs change
[15:27] <robertj> hrmm, boot is hanging in I believe rcS until I kill it with ctl+alt+del and I've got an hourglass cursor in gnome even after boot is complete
[15:28] <Laser87> BUGabundo: so it's a bug in ubuntu - amsn is officially supported and don't work
[15:28] <robertj> if I start a window list applet it just shows like 10000 new nautilus windows in the applet until things are so small i can't see anything so I have to close out the applet
[15:29] <BluesKaj> robertj , I'm going to remove amsn , then reinstall ..I'll report back
[15:29] <BUGabundo> won't help BluesKaj
[15:29] <BUGabundo> as I said
[15:29] <BUGabundo> please report it upstream
[15:29] <Laser87> don't help, BluesKaj
[15:30] <BluesKaj> I'm not going to use apt to remove it
[15:30] <Laser87> BUGabundo: what do you mean with upstream?
[15:31] <Ienorand> robertj: could you have a look at "cat /var/log/messages | grep nautilus" does it say anything?
[15:31] <Laser87> sry, english is not my native language
[15:31] <Le-Chuck_ITA> guys do you have an idea why I can't EDIT a database in openoffice 3.0? I can see it, but not edit
[15:31] <Le-Chuck_ITA> the file is rw
[15:31] <cwillu_clone> robertj, normal ubuntu?
[15:31] <BUGabundo> Laser87: I mean the Devs that *actually* make/program amsn
[15:31] <cwillu_clone> robertj, I can make that happen if I disable nautilus managing the desktop
[15:31] <Laser87> BUGabundo: ok, i'll search and report
[15:31] <cwillu_clone> Le-Chuck_ITA, what kind of database?
[15:32] <cwillu_clone> Le-Chuck_ITA, if it's just a spreadsheet, they don't work like that unfortunately :(
[15:32] <Le-Chuck_ITA> it's a bibliographic database, in odb format, that I exported from jabref
[15:32] <Le-Chuck_ITA> but when I click on the fields I can't edit them
[15:32] <cwillu_clone> odb isn't the database format though, it's just a container file
[15:32] <cwillu_clone> what is the database connection itself?
[15:32] <Le-Chuck_ITA> hmm, how can I know?
[15:32] <cwillu_clone> one sec
[15:33] <robertj> Mar 31 10:33:28 rcaskey-desktop kernel: [  710.400046] nautilus[21027]: segfault at 7f1be83e645a ip 00007f1be83e645a sp 00007f1be7f19b70 error 14
[15:33] <Ienorand> robertj: This your bug? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/325973
[15:33] <robertj> Ienorand: thats from the messages log
[15:34] <cwillu_clone> Ienorand, robertj, might be, I think I noticed nautilus segfaulting when I did that
[15:34] <Le-Chuck_ITA> cwillu_clone: aah, I found the type of connection... it's connected to a spreadsheet :)
[15:35] <cwillu_clone> Le-Chuck_ITA, sorry, still waiting (compiling a kernel in the background isn't helping :p)
[15:35] <cwillu_clone> Le-Chuck_ITA, yep, they don't work :)
[15:35] <cwillu_clone> Le-Chuck_ITA, drove me to a murderous rage the other day :)
[15:35] <Le-Chuck_ITA> cwillu_clone: do you know if I can export that to a "proper" database and what's a proper database anyway?
[15:36] <cwillu_clone> Le-Chuck_ITA, honestly, that whole side of openoffice is a bit amateurish :(
[15:36] <cwillu_clone> Le-Chuck_ITA, you can edit the original spread sheet, and then completely close openoffice and reopen it, and then it'll be updated
[15:36] <cwillu_clone> don't ask me _why_ you need a complete restart
[15:36] <cwillu_clone> you just do :p
[15:37] <Le-Chuck_ITA> good, if I only knew where is the original spreadsheet! do you know how to discover that?
[15:37] <cwillu_clone> it should say in the database properties
[15:37] <Le-Chuck_ITA> aha
[15:37] <Le-Chuck_ITA> found it
[15:37] <Le-Chuck_ITA> thanks a lot cwillu_clone
[15:37] <cwillu_clone> Le-Chuck_ITA, feel free to file a bug :)
[15:37] <Le-Chuck_ITA> an openoffice bug was the first bug I reported in ubuntu three years ago, it's still open! :)
[15:38] <cwillu_clone> \o/
[15:38] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I aim to the record
[15:38] <cwillu_clone> openoffice needs a firefox like rewrite
[15:38] <robertj> cwillu_clone: I think I know what needs to change
[15:39] <BUGabundo> charlie-tca: hey
[15:39] <charlie-tca> morning, BUGabundo
[15:40] <BUGabundo> actually mid- afternoon here
[15:40]  * cwillu_clone wishes that his _fast_ computer wasn't a 1.6ghz single-core :(
[15:40] <BUGabundo> cwillu_clone: be glad its not a Celeron
[15:41] <cwillu_clone> model name	: Intel(R) Celeron(R) M CPU        520  @ 1.60GHz
[15:41] <cwillu_clone> anything else? :p
[15:41] <Le-Chuck_ITA> cwillu_clone: do you know how to update the data source in openoffice? it looks like a copy!
[15:41] <cwillu_clone> Le-Chuck_ITA, you have to edit the original spreadsheet, and then completely close openoffice (i.e., _every_ open document needs to be closed), and reopen
[15:41] <cwillu_clone> feel free to file a bug p
[15:41] <Le-Chuck_ITA> cwillu_clone: I did!
[15:41] <Le-Chuck_ITA> hmm
[15:42] <cwillu_clone> make sure openoffice was actually closed
[15:42] <cwillu_clone> a reboot probably isn't overkill :p
[15:42] <cwillu_clone> (tongue because it's dumb, not because I'm not serious) :p
[15:43] <cellofellow> the guys in #ubuntu sent me here, though I think this is an Intrepid question: can I build a Jaunty vm-builder image using Intrepid's vm-builder?
[15:45] <cwillu_clone> cellofellow, I want to say yes
[15:45] <cellofellow> I will see.
[15:46] <BUGabundo> cellofellow: humm lets asks mvo
[15:46] <BUGabundo> mvo: ping
[15:46] <mvo> hm?
[15:46] <BUGabundo> mvo can cellofellow build a Jaunty vm-builder image using Intrepid's vm-builder?
[15:46] <mvo> cellofellow: that should work if you have debootstrap from intrepid-backports installed
[15:47] <cellofellow> mvo: ok, thanks
[15:47] <cellofellow> :D
[15:48]  * Le-Chuck_ITA succeded in updating the db, and decided that manually inserting the bibliography is more sane
[15:49] <cwillu_clone> Le-Chuck_ITA, both koffice and abiwriter handle this sanely
[15:50] <cwillu_clone> on the otherhand, just use latex :p
[15:50] <Le-Chuck_ITA> cwillu_clone: I do use latex every day of my life; except for grant applications and similar
[15:50] <Le-Chuck_ITA> there
[15:50] <Le-Chuck_ITA> they give you a .doc form and you need to fill it
[15:51] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I wanted to learn this bibliography issue but I think that writing a post-processor for the openoffice XML may be easier than all the crap I have seen :)
[15:53] <robertj> so it seems like my only other issue is that boot is hanging somewhere
[15:53] <cwillu_clone> that was my conclusion too Le-Chuck_ITA :)
[15:53] <robertj> hitting ctl+alt+del gets things going
[15:53] <robertj> says it kills rcS and rc6 when I do that
[15:53] <cwillu_clone> robertj, boot normal, but take off quiet splash from the boot line
[15:54] <robertj> ckwillu: it drops me back to the console so I can see where it happens
[15:54] <robertj> its right after it is activating swap
[15:55] <BUGabundo> hey fosco_
[15:57] <fosco_> hi
[15:58] <avuton> In my jaunty install XDG_DATA_DIR doesn't exist, but according to the gmpc maintainer it's supposed to. Is there some package I need to have installed to get it by default?
[15:59] <avuton> err XDG_DATA_DIRS that is
[15:59] <crdlb> If $XDG_DATA_DIRS is either not set or empty, a value equal to /usr/local/share/:/usr/share/ should be used.
[15:59] <crdlb> his code should handle that
[15:59] <crdlb> it's set here though
[16:00] <crdlb> "XDG_DATA_DIRS=/usr/local/share/:/usr/share/:/usr/share/gdm/"
[16:00] <avuton> I don't mind setting that, but I figured there was a package I was missing which did it
[16:01] <crdlb> my point is that gmpc shouldn't break if it's unset
[16:01] <avuton> Yeah, he just told me to bug it :)
[16:02] <avuton> It's set on my xubuntu jaunty but my ubuntu jaunty it's not. It's puzzling as to why (which was why I was thinking missing package)
[16:04] <crdlb> well, I'd guess that gdm set it here
[16:05] <avuton> Well, thanks alot. I'm glad you confirmed my issue
[16:06] <crdlb> yeah, it does
[16:06] <crdlb> it's not set on a tty
[16:06] <crdlb> are you using gdm?
[16:06] <avuton> Yes, default install in ubuntu pretty much
[16:06] <avuton> I just put it in /etc/environment, hopefully that'll work
[16:09] <crdlb> avuton: the code doesn't seem to be conditional
[16:09] <avuton> Sorry?
[16:10] <crdlb> heh
[16:10] <avuton> :)
[16:10] <scizzo-> anyone knows if banshee and notify-osd can work together?
[16:11] <crdlb> gdm apparently just adds /usr/share/gdm so gdm-related stuff will not show up in a non-gdm session
[16:13] <cellofellow> mvo: I tried "vmbuilder ... --suite jaunty ..." but it didn't recognize Jaunty as an option.
[16:16] <cellofellow> mvo: what's the debootstrap got to do with it?
[16:19] <mvo> cellofellow: its the backend tool used, hm, but if that is not sufficient, please check if there is a backport for ubuntu-vm-builder as well
[16:19] <cellofellow> I have backports repo enabled so it should have just installed the latest (backports) version.
[16:20]  * cwillu_clone patiently waits for a 270mb kernel image to load :p
[16:21] <cellofellow> cwillu_clone: did you build with module support disabled or something?
[16:21] <cwillu_clone> cellofellow, I have no idea what I did, make-kpkg is just giving me huge images for some reason
[16:22] <cellofellow> I've built kernels and gotten teensy little images. You have to go through all the configuration stuff, the defaults aren't sane.
[16:22] <Machtin> BluesKaj: no, i'm not.. (sorry for that late reply) [i set up an sftp-server via ssh without shell login.. is there any way to read/enable logs?]
[16:22] <cwillu_clone> just using the config out of 2.6.28-11
[16:22] <cwillu_clone> I don't really care, it's just for the purposes of a bisect
[16:22] <cellofellow> Is Jaunty frozen or will it have 2.6.29?
[16:22] <carl0s-> Any idea when the Openchange or evolution-mapi packages will be updated so that they don't segfault evolution upon account creation?
[16:23] <cwillu_clone> it's going to have 2.6.28, with a few more backported fixes probably
[16:23] <bsnider> jaunty will have 2.6.28
[16:23] <carl0s-> cellofellow: it won't have 2.6.29, so no kvm :(
[16:23] <bsnider> fedora 11 will have .29
[16:23] <cellofellow> KVM has been in since like 2.6.20. (i forget the number) 2.6.29 has the btrfs beta, though.
[16:23] <cwillu_clone> the stock .29 kernels out of the repo work fine in my experience though, dkms ftw :p
[16:24] <carl0s-> cellofellow: something is broken, only qemu is working.. it's marked for next release now or something.. some thing that's only in 2.6.29 that libvirt wants or something.
[16:24] <cellofellow> oh
[16:25] <cwillu_clone> carl0s-, bug?
[16:25] <cwillu_clone> bug # rather
[16:25] <cellofellow> that's not good, wasn't the SABDFL promising wicked virtualization features in Jaunty (or was that Karmic?)?
[16:26]  * cellofellow is beginning to think he'll need to install Jaunty vm from an ISO instead of using vm-builder.
[16:26] <cellofellow> ah, well, I'm more familiar with VirtualBox than KVM anyway.
[16:26] <carl0s-> cellofellow: I can't even get networking working on my vm. The VM is being assigned an IP in a 10.x.x.x pool, which isn't what I have set as "default" in qemu/kvm settings as root, or anything.
[16:26] <carl0s-> cwillu_clone: trying to find it..
[16:27] <cellofellow> carl0s-: is it using NAT emulation or something?
[16:27] <carl0s-> cellofellow: well, it should be natting to any physical device, using it's own pool on virbr0 or whatever, of 192.168.100.x, which is what is set, but the guest gets assigned 10.x.x.x and can't get through to t'interweb.
[16:28] <cwillu_clone> carl0s-, bug #331128?
[16:29] <cwillu_clone> (incomplete and triaged on different packages)
[16:29] <cellofellow> With VBox NAT networking works fine, but I have trouble getting it to do host networking on my 802.1x authenticated wifi network here at the uni.
[16:30] <carl0s-> cwillu_clone: no, might be same problem, but there's a bug report where they state that a certain thing .. KVM_SOMETHING_IN_CAPS is only in 2.6.29 therefore this won't be fixed in Jaunty. When the vm starts up, the console/debug output shows (KVM_SOMETHING_IN_CAPS missing, kvm acceleration not available or something).
[16:30] <carl0s-> cwillu_clone: bug #348391
[16:30] <cellofellow> worked in 2.6.27, but not 2.6.28 and will in 2.6.29?
[16:31] <cellofellow> downgrade qemu in the repos to something that works.
[16:32] <cwillu_clone> "We'll have to stick with the modified qemu provided by kvm "  <-- what does that mean?
[16:32] <cellofellow> qemu can run unaccelerated, or use kqemu or kvm kernel acceleration. Why is there a need for a specific version?
[16:32] <carl0s-> I dunno. Maybe normal virtualisation is fine and it's just those guys trying to use qemu manually or something, in which case I'm making a mountain out of something much smaller :)
[16:33]  * cwillu_clone pokes carl0s- with a stick :p
[16:33] <carl0s-> gotta go, my mouse / keyboard is going loopy.. it keeps selecting things on the screen.. time to reboot I think.
[16:33] <cellofellow> straight qemu is not a virtualization system, only an emulator. It's ok to use if you're emulating another platform like ARM or MIPS, though.
[17:00] <carl0s-> When Jaunty is released, which I gather is fairly soon.. well, would that be a truly terrible time for me to go onto the next +1, whatever that's called? I mean, will that be so totally early that it's totally broken, or will it just be like I am now but with changes happening on a daily basis like they have done for the past few months while I've been using Jaunty anuyway?
[17:00] <carl0s-> sorry for all the totallys.
[17:01] <bsnider> carl0s-, yes it would be awful
[17:01] <carl0s-> honestly? Or do you just want #ubuntu+1 to be nice and quiet again? ;)
[17:01] <bsnider> no, it would be unusable
[17:01] <carl0s-> hrnmm.
[17:02] <caeroe> found this on the forum to (temporarily) fix the gnome panel freezes:  gconftool-2 --recursive-unset /apps/panel && killall gnome-panel
[17:02] <carl0s-> doh. I've been enjoying having new things happening every day. New gdm screen one day, new wallpaper, other stuff and what not.
[17:02] <bsnider> they have to start implementing the new x-server and audio
[17:02] <bsnider> wait 2 months at least
[17:03] <carl0s-> fair enough. I'll wait for an alpha. I suppose this channel will become quiet pretty soon then when Jaunty is released.
[17:03] <laanan> hello, i've just installed jaunty (with all immediate updates). i don't think it is using the xserver-xorg-video-intel driver correctly (or at all ? GL apps seem software rendered, very slow). can someone help ?
[17:03] <carl0s-> laanan: it's working for me on my NC10 netbook..
[17:04] <amon__> laanan the release notes say something about that
[17:04] <laanan> amon__, ok, let me check those
[17:08] <carl0s-> I wish network-manager-pptp would give some more information than just "the connection to VPN failed". /var/log/messages only shows "modem hangup" too.
[17:09] <laanan> amon__, ok, i see something about performance regression.. but i think the problem here is lack of 3D accel. at all. i had a similar problem when first installing 8.10 (i had to change Driver "vesa" to Driver "intel" in xorg.conf). but in 9.04 that does not seem to work (there is not even a Driver "vesa" line in there by default)
[17:10] <carl0s-> laanan: it works with a blank xorg.conf now and tries to autodetect everything.
[17:10] <carl0s-> laanan: or I should say it *can* work with blank xorg.conf .. you can specify stuff in there if you want, to complement or override autodetected whatsits.
[17:11] <laanan> carl0s-, so i should backup xorg.conf, clear it, then restart X and check ?
[17:11] <carl0s-> laanan: might be worth a go.. just mv /etc/xorg.conf to /etc/xorg.conf.backup
[17:11] <carl0s-> sorry
[17:11] <carl0s-> /etc/X11/xorg.conf or whatever it is.
[17:11] <knittl> are nvidia-drivers working atm? if yes, i'll look into it by myself
[17:11] <laanan> yeah, thanks. let me try that
[17:12] <carl0s-> knittl: working for me, but using binary/dirty driver, provided by the happy "hardware drivers" thingy..
[17:12] <knittl> carl0s-: i installed ubuntu stock drivers today (befor that i was using nvidia beta drivers)
[17:12] <carl0s-> knittl: (jockey)
[17:12] <bsnider> knittl, nvidia drivers are working
[17:12] <knittl> they are working … but no 3d apps
[17:13] <knittl> ok, i'll search the forums
[17:13] <bsnider> knittl, wait
[17:13] <carl0s-> knittl: I think Ubuntu by default tries to use noveou (sp?) now, which is open source but no 3d.
[17:13] <bsnider> knittl, i'm sure i can get them working for you
[17:14] <zash> weird, i can
[17:14] <knittl> carl0s-: i installed them with envy, it said nvidia drivers (180.37)—that's the nvidia ones
[17:14] <zash> weird, i can't resize windows
[17:14] <knittl> bsnider: rly? cool :) i guess it has something to do with dri
[17:14] <carl0s-> oh ok. I dunno ;) I only just moved from F10 to Ubuntu on my desktop..
[17:14] <bsnider> knittl, pasteyour xorg.confinto pastebin
[17:15] <knittl> bsnider: deleted it today xD not much in there, but i will paste
[17:15] <knittl> http://paste2.org/p/174996
[17:17] <carl0s-> So KVM / virt-manager on F10 was updated recently and I think it allowed me to assign a physical PCI device, such as a network card, to a guest.. I don't see that ability in Jaunty.. not goign to happen?
[17:18] <bsnider> knittl, use mine http://paste2.org/p/174999
[17:18] <bsnider> open a terminal and execute: dkms status
[17:18] <knittl> the only difference is the line Disable dri2
[17:19] <knittl> nvidia 180.37 … : installed (original_module exists)
[17:19] <bsnider> knittl, and it says that for all of your kernels?
[17:19] <benste> hi does someone know how to connect a AVM Wireless USB through Ubuntu ?, in previous versions Ndiswrapper had some conflicts with network manager, but it worked after 3 reasignings, but now it does neither work after 6 attemps.
[17:20] <knittl> bsnider: no, only for the one i'm currently running (the other one is the kernel from my previous installation, and the other one is built from git)
[17:20] <bsnider> knittl, can you open nvidia-settings without an error?
[17:21] <knittl> yes
[17:21] <bluefoxicy> okay no more compiz
[17:21] <bluefoxicy> that thing causes trouble.
[17:21] <bsnider> thent he nvidia driver is loaded. execute the command: glxinfo
[17:22] <knittl> i know it's loaded (lsmod tells me so)
[17:22] <knittl> glxinfo: http://paste2.org/p/175002
[17:23] <bsnider> knittl, did you clean install jaunty or is this an upgrade?
[17:24] <knittl> it's an upgrade … and they did work yesterday morning … maybe i did mess things up when reinstalling nvidia drivers … that's why i said i will look into the issue by myself
[17:25] <bsnider> i think the problem is an incorrect diversion of the nvidia glx.so file
[17:25] <the_dark_warrio> when I open synaptic (or anything that asks for a password in the same way synaptic does), that darker background covers only a part of the screen. Don't know if this is due to the high resolution I'm using (1680x1050). Any one experiencing this?
[17:25] <bsnider> the system can't find it
[17:26] <knittl> hm … which package provides glx.so?
[17:26] <crdlb> xserver-xorg-core, then it gets diverted by nvidia-glx-VER
[17:27] <knittl> so … uninstalling nvidia driver, and then reinstalling could fix the problem?
[17:27] <marshall> hey guys
[17:27] <crdlb> knittl: did you pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log anywhere?
[17:28] <marshall> i just did a fresh install of jaunty beta and realized that it only recognized half of my memory
[17:28] <knittl> crdlb: not yet
[17:28] <marshall> is there any way I can make it find the rest?
[17:28] <crdlb> marshall: how much?
[17:28] <crdlb> knittl: please do :)
[17:28] <bsnider> knittl, i'm not sure the exact name of the file, but the xorg version of it must be replaced by nvidia's because nvidia replaces the entire 3d stack with its own proprietary 3d stack, and to accomplish that the glx provider must be diverted to nvidia's file. but the location of the file varies with different sources. ubuntu's packages put it one place while the nvidia installer puts it somewhere else, and so does envy etc.
[17:28] <marshall> crdlb, 2/4 gigs
[17:28] <knittl> crdlb: i got 2 warnings there, UBB is incompatible with composite extension. disabling ubb
[17:28] <PolitikerNEU> Hey, I got a problem with jaunty: I used eclipse (from eclipse.org) and while debugging a java application, my x-server freezed a few times: I was able to move the mouse cursor, I could get into a terminal and kill programs and the screen was slowly rendered after going back to X but it was not updated
[17:29] <crdlb> knittl: I need the whole thing, the WW and EE labels are poorly utilized
[17:29] <knittl> bsnider: i'll just try removing nvidia driver and then installing it again … not now, but later
[17:29] <knittl> crdlb: k, wait a sec :)
[17:29] <the_dark_warrio> What is the best name to use for that semi-transparent black screen which appears when a password is requested? (the same when opening synaptic)
[17:29] <bsnider> knittl, that''s wise. remove all of it that you can find
[17:30] <crdlb> marshall: on 32bit you can't hit 4, but it should be closer to 3 then 2
[17:30] <crdlb> (without using a PAE kernel)
[17:30] <charlie-tca> the_dark_warrio: password request?
[17:30] <crdlb> the_dark_warrio: that is gksu
[17:31] <knittl> http://paste2.org/p/175010 @ crdlb
[17:31] <marshall> crdlb, what should I do to find the rest of it?
[17:31] <crdlb> marshall: use amd64, I guess?
[17:33] <the_dark_warrio> crdlb: well, gksu doesn't seem to create that effect, its only a dialog. When openning synaptic the dialog is modal, and everything on the background gets darker.
[17:34] <crdlb> the_dark_warrio: it does here
[17:34] <crdlb> perhaps you're not using a compositing manager?
[17:35] <the_dark_warrio> crdlb: I'm using compiz (the "medium" effects)
[17:35] <the_dark_warrio> is there a parameter for gksu to turn it modal?
[17:35] <crdlb> knittl: that looks ok, the glx module is definitely nvidia's
[17:35] <crdlb> the_dark_warrio: 'gksu gedit' makes the screen fade here
[17:36] <knittl> crdlb: ok thanks for looking at it. i'll try myself ^^ it's not that important, should be doing homework anyway
[17:36] <the_dark_warrio> crdlb: hmm, that worked. Thanks
[17:37] <laanan> hello, i still can't get my intel video driver working properly, can someone help ?
[17:37] <BUGabundo> laanan: maybe no fix
[17:37] <BUGabundo> see release note
[17:37] <BUGabundo> http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/jaunty/beta
[17:37] <BUGabundo> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JauntyJackalope/TechnicalOverview
[17:38] <laanan> i've read the release notes, but i don't think those apply to me
[17:38] <BUGabundo> there is a part about intel cards
[17:39] <laanan> from a similar problem i had before with 8.10, it seems to be using the generic "vesa" driver, rather than the "intel" one
[17:39] <laanan> BUGabundo, yeah, doesn't seem to apply here
[17:40] <BUGabundo> yes
[17:40] <BUGabundo> doesn't that fix ?
[17:40] <laanan> BUGabundo, i don't follow you
[17:41] <carl0s-> Ok, so I figured out why networking within my KVM vm wasn't working. it's because it's using "usermode networking" whatever that means. I have created the VM under root's virt-manager, where it uses .. proper networking, and networking works now to the Internet. Only problem now is that having a Sound Card added to the VM means I have no sound on my desktop. Should I be going about this differently?
[17:41] <carl0s-> Is there any way for my VM to be owned by me, but still work on system level instead of user level?
[17:42] <BUGabundo> laanan: using Vesa works or no?
[17:43] <laanan> BUGabundo, there is no change if i add either Driver "vesa" or Driver "intel"
[17:43] <laanan> no change := GL apps seem software rendered
[17:43] <BUGabundo> I guess u better go to #ubuntu-x and get help there, then
[17:43] <laanan> ok, i will ask there. thanks
[17:46] <pablo__> module ppp_generic is a missing module right now in my system, how is suppoused to install it ?
[17:46] <pablo__> i think it is a 9.04 issue
[17:51] <BluesKaj> i have a python script that starts my pc as a media server thru the TiVo on our LAN , since upgrading the scipt no longer autostarts the server . It can be started by the cli but terminal has to remain open whaile files are transferred or played thru the network. I find that a PITA
[18:06] <gsp2009> hey folks..
[18:06] <gsp2009> when I run sudo do-release-upgrade with sources set to "Release upgrade = normal releases", should I not be able to upgrade to 9.10? Instead I get "No new release found". How can I upgrade to 9.10? I know, 9.10 isn't released yet, but I still would like to install it.
[18:07] <gsp2009> damn... :( I meant 9.04...
[18:08] <PhotoJim> gsp2009: 9.04 isn't a normal release.  it requires an override until it's official later in April.
[18:08] <charlie-tca> gsp2009: tried this - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/JauntyUpgrades
[18:08] <aurel42> Still no openssh update, so I assume ssh-agent stays broken. Bad news for admins.
[18:09] <gsp2009> PhotoJim, charlie-tca thanks! Will check those out.
[18:45] <blizzkid> anyone any idea why sane-find-scanner says "scanner found" but scanimage -L says "no scanners"
[18:56] <nundu> hello. how do i get mo3 support on ubuntu 9.04?
[18:56] <nundu> *mp3
[18:57] <scizzo-> nundu: ubunut-restricted
[18:57] <ghindo> nundu: You should be able to install the package "ubuntu-restricted-extras" and you'll enable mp3 support, among other commonly used apps
[18:57] <nundu> thank you
[18:57] <wrichtmyer> Hi, I was wondering if anyone had any speed tips to make ubuntu 9.04 faster, a link would be preferable.
[18:57] <scizzo-> wrichtmyer: speed tips?
[18:57] <BluesKaj> on a laptop ?
[18:57] <wrichtmyer> As in making bootup faster on a laptop, such as the concurrency shell.
[18:58] <BluesKaj> use the performance setting , but your battery time will suffer
[19:00] <wrichtmyer> Also, my resolution isn't working. I have a widescreen hp pavillion dv 4-1117nr, however when I try to adjust the resolution, it shows up with two black "bars" on the side of my screen.
[19:00]  * Blues-Man gotext.org code once, SMS everywhere
[19:11] <darthanubis> http://tycheent.wordpress.com/2009/03/31/to-pulseaudio-or-not-to-pulseaudio/
[19:37] <Whitor> Request- It would be nice to have the ability from within Nautilus to right click on a font and have it installed into the system.
[19:38] <billybigrigger> is there no scripts for it?
[19:38] <billybigrigger> found one on gnome-look.org
[19:38] <Whitor> There probably are... Just looking for way to help convert people... most ppl don't want to be bothered installing a script to install a font
[19:51] <scizzo-> I don't get it....how can I tell the standard mixer to use pulseaudio?
[20:02] <tomsdale> my !kwin still crashes regularily after a reboot. Common problem or is it me?
[20:02] <tomsdale> !kwin
[20:08] <BUGabundo2> hey guys any one is uptodate on intel 8x5 ??
[20:08] <BUGabundo2> just tired a daily image and it FAILED!
[20:08] <BUGabundo2> cant do anything on VESA
[20:12] <BUGabundo> this is too calm today!
[20:12] <BUGabundo> no one know about that bug?
[20:13] <draitz> i installed firefox-3.1 from the jaunty repo but firefox is install reporting version 3.0.8.  anyone know how i might fix this ?
[20:14] <BUGabundo> bug 304871
[20:14] <BUGabundo> draitz: to start FF3.1 or any other versin
[20:15] <BUGabundo> you have to write down the entire version
[20:15] <BUGabundo> in your case firefox-3.1
[20:15] <BUGabundo> in my case firefox-3.6
[20:15] <BUGabundo> instlling one will NOT remove the other
[20:16] <BUGabundo> for apps to use the new version use galternatives and choose the default on x-www-browser
[20:16] <draitz> thank you
[20:19] <pitwalker> anyone can start xfmedia without compositing?
[20:20] <pitwalker> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfmedia/+bug/333384
[20:29] <Tumie> hi, i want to upgrade from Intrepid to Jaunty Beta, is this possible ?
[20:30] <Ienorand> update-manager -d
[20:30] <Tumie> is this safe ??
[20:30] <Tumie> or do i need to backup first ?
[20:31] <Ienorand> Tumie: As always, expect major inconveniences... backup is a good idea, yes...
[20:31] <Tumie> ok, thanks :)
[20:31] <Halow> Should always backup first, even if you're upgrading to final release. Just in case!
[20:31] <Tumie> but... if I backup. then i just take a fresh install.. :)
[20:32] <BUGabundo> this guy didnt read the release notes
[20:36] <Ienorand> Is there anywhere you can get nice statistics and/or graphs for bugs in jaunty?
[20:39] <DanaG> Interesting: the sapwood + hildon theme thingy from the mobile-internet-device remix might be handy for low-vision users even on a non-MID distro.
[20:39] <Halow> Ienorand:  https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty
[20:40] <BUGabundo> Ienorand: install bootchart and bootchart-java
[20:45] <aman> is the package hubackup excluded from jaunty ?
[20:46] <jpds> maverick340: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hubackup
[21:00] <ultratek> how do i use the --iscurrentdistro option when installing ati driver v9.3?
[21:04] <Ienorand> @ halow: is there any section there that shows some kind of summary i.e. #bugs in total #critical #fixed etc. ? @ BUGabundo: I'm looking for a summary of bugs, not boot :)
[21:05] <Ienorand> halow: nvm, found it.
[21:06] <BUGabundo> is anyone else having trouble with chroot from livecd jaunty?
[21:06] <BUGabundo> # chroot /tmp/disco/ chroot: cannot run command `/bin/bash': Exec format error
[21:06] <ultratek> what do i do to set iscurrentdistro?
[21:17] <maco> anyone else using miro? if you seek during a playing movie, does it freeze?
[21:18] <maco> well freeze/crash/ask if you want to terminate?
[21:20] <Guest56986> I have a problem 9.04 still does that window spamming thing where my mouse is no where near the trash bin or what not and yet it opens 600 times and wont stop
[21:21] <Guest56986> it even happens when my hand isnt even touching the mouse like right now
[21:21] <edgy> Hi, I want to use 3G via my Nokia N95 mobile and I see network manager has a tab mobile broadband but it's disabled, what's wrong?
[21:21] <DanaG> edgy: have you connected the phone (either through usb or through bluetooth)?
[21:21] <DanaG> Unfortunately, there seems to be no nice way to create a serial-port connection in Jaunty.
[21:21] <edgy> DanaG: usb
[21:22] <DanaG> serial-port bluetooth, I mean.  =þ
[21:22] <DanaG> Bluetooth regressed drastically for me approximately during Intrepid.
[21:22] <DanaG> Can't use bt audio OR bt serial port!
[21:22] <DanaG> Look in dmesg for things like 'cdc'
[21:22] <edgy> DanaG: forget about bluetooth now, I can live with a cable connectgion if you can help me
[21:23] <BUGabundo> DanaG: my jaunty will not even detect my ear piece
[21:26] <edgy> DanaG: ah wait if I choose pc suit mode now I get those cdc
[21:27] <edgy> DanaG: sorry I was diconnected
[21:27] <edgy> DanaG: yes now I got that tab enabled, should I add GSM or CDMA?
[21:27] <DanaG> Depends on the carrier.
[21:27] <BluesKaj> maco , miro default is to DL all your choices at the same time , a really dumb setup , you have to specify one at time rule in options otherwise forget trying watch anything
[21:27] <DanaG> Also look; it might have auto-added it.
[21:28] <maco> ...that doesnt have anything at all to do with what i asked
[21:28] <DanaG> For my LG phone, it somehow magically came up with an "Auto CDMA"
[21:29] <maco> Nothing's downloading, the files are all local, they play just fine, but if I try to seek backward ("rewind") by dragging the slider to the left, the application hangs
[21:29] <maco> and the simultaneous download is because it's a torrent client
[21:29] <edgy> DanaG: nothing is auto detected, and I don't know what my carrier use, any way to guess?
[21:29] <BluesKaj> well, you asked without specifying , so i gave the obvious answer
[21:30] <maco> but i asked about seeking, not playing
[21:30] <DanaG> Hmm, google the name of the carrier, and the words "mobile broadband"
[21:30] <maco> and downloading doesnt make it crash
[21:31] <yow|x2> anyone getting freezing? ext4 FS and intel video if that matters
[21:31] <Guest56986> any idea whats wrong with my comp?
[21:31] <BHSPitCSP> In Beta, does the Delete key in nautilus do a full rm?  (Instead of moving to Trash)
[21:31] <BUGabundo> yow|x2: intel 8x5 is known
[21:32] <BUGabundo> i'm debuging it right now for bryce
[21:32] <BUGabundo> come up on #ubuntu-x
[21:32] <BHSPitCSP> yow|x2: I've actually had more stability with the beta than with Hardy or Intrepid...
[21:32] <yow|x2> ok ty BUGabundo
[21:33] <yow|x2> BHSPitCSP - the intel video issue was great with intrepid but i get tons of freezing with jaunty
[21:33] <maco> BluesKaj: by the way, "asoundconf set-default-card" is deprecated.  It won't be in Karmic at all.  PulseAudio should be used instead
[21:33] <BHSPitCSP> My friend on Beta is reporting that "delete" in nautilus is just wiping things out, completely and irrevocably
[21:33] <BHSPitCSP> Can anyone confirm?
[21:34] <maco> BluesKaj: just some fore-warning
[21:34] <maco> BHSPitCSP: delete key or rght-click->delete? if the latter, thats what it's for
[21:34] <BHSPitCSP> maco: delete key
[21:34] <maco> the delete key should send to trash
[21:34] <maco> oh O_O
[21:34] <edgy> DanaG: thanks ok I now found the word gsm when I searched my carrier, I added gsm and it's asking info like number , APN, ... should I get all those from my carrier too?
[21:34] <BHSPitCSP> (He pressed it by mistake while lifting his laptop just now, lost his music collection)
[21:35] <BUGabundo> BHSPitCSP: ill test it in a few secs
[21:35] <maco> and its not in the trash?
[21:35] <BHSPitCSP> maco: negative
[21:35] <maco> eek
[21:35] <BUGabundo> its true
[21:35] <BUGabundo> it doesnt send to trah
[21:35] <BUGabundo> someone file a Critical bug
[21:35] <maco> ill check for a dup first :P
[21:36] <BUGabundo> i'm running 2 live CDs daily
[21:36] <BUGabundo> and both fail
[21:37] <Guest56986> will conflicker affect ubuntu?
[21:37] <Guest56986> nope
[21:37] <Guest56986> only windows
[21:38] <maco> ok i dont think its been reported
[21:38] <maco> Guest56986: er....we know...
[21:38] <BUGabundo> maco i'll do it
[21:38] <BUGabundo> just not sure about what package
[21:38] <BUGabundo> nautiluys?
[21:39] <BHSPitCSP> I wonder if the deleted files are actually going to the Trash, and the Trash:// folder display contains the real bug
[21:39] <BHSPitCSP> BUGabundo: yes, nautilus
[21:39] <maco> !trash
[21:39] <maco> well, lets find out
[21:39] <maco> check in there
[21:40] <DanaG> or go to trash://
[21:40] <BUGabundo> files are on /home/ubuntu/.local/share/Trash/files
[21:40] <BUGabundo> just not on the applet
[21:40] <maco> DanaG: thats what they're wonderng, if maybe the trash:// is broken
[21:41] <DanaG> ah.
[21:41] <DanaG> Works for me.
[21:41] <maco> BHSPitCSP: so are the files actually in ~/.local/share/Trash ?
[21:41] <BHSPitCSP> maco: he's checking for me
[21:41] <BHSPitCSP> I'm on Ibex here at work, can't verify on my own
[21:41] <ellar> good evening, can i make xchat display irc messages with my name in it in the new notification areca?
[21:41] <ellar> like pidgin?
[21:41] <Ienorand> BUGabundo: Just to note, for me the delete key works just as it should, sends to Trash/files and I'm able to nicely restore them...
[21:42] <BHSPitCSP> ellar: it does
[21:42] <BUGabundo> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/352681
[21:42] <maco> not exactly
[21:42] <maco> ellar: it should use notify-osd, but it does not use the indicator applet (yet)
[21:42] <BUGabundo> Ienorand: not on this live usb image
[21:42] <ellar> ellar, is there a fix/workaround? or unfixed until release?
[21:42] <BUGabundo> maco can u ask on #devel to test?
[21:42] <maco> lets make a list of apps that need to have indicator applet support
[21:43] <BHSPitCSP> maco: xchat highlights do show up in the notification area for me, though
[21:43] <maco> ellar: I intend to try to add that to xchat and xchat-gnome for Karmic
[21:44] <LordKow> maco, perhaps get a head start and put jaunty packages on your ppa? :-)
[21:44] <ellar> BHSPitCSP, how do you make that? plugin?
[21:44] <BHSPitCSP> ellar: I just installed xchat on a Jaunty Beta install and it works.
[21:44] <maco> LordKow: well id have to write the code first :P
[21:44] <BHSPitCSP> (Not xchat-gnome)
[21:44] <LordKow> true. i can't see it being that difficult though
[21:44] <BHSPitCSP> maco: friend reports, the files ARE ther
[21:44] <BHSPitCSP> *there
[21:45] <maco> ok and now if you go to Trash:// or trash:// (check for caps dependency) do they show? (ie: trash applet's fault or nautilus's fault?)
[21:46] <ellar> BHSPitCSP, using xchat, but they don't pop up!
[21:46] <maco> wait wait
[21:46] <maco> BHSPitCSP: *notfication area* or in the *indicator applet*?
[21:47] <BUGabundo> maco on this system typing trash:/// wont work
[21:47] <BHSPitCSP> maco: apparently I don't know
[21:47] <BHSPitCSP> :)
[21:47] <BUGabundo> but opening trash applet it opens there
[21:47] <Ienorand> BUGabundo: it may be that the bug only shows up in live versions then...
[21:47] <BHSPitCSP> maco: I'm talking about the transparent gray rectangles
[21:47] <maco> Ienorand: but BHSPitCSP's friend is using an installed system :P
[21:47] <maco> BHSPitCSP: ah no, ellar already said those work
[21:48] <BHSPitCSP> maco: and my friend confirms the files DON'T show in trash://, while they DO show in the direct path
[21:48] <ellar> maco, they don't show up in notification area
[21:48] <maco> BHSPitCSP: talking about the envelope where pidgin & evolution messages go after the notification fades away
[21:48] <ellar> maco, yes
[21:48] <ellar> but xchat doesn't
[21:48] <BHSPitCSP> ellar, maco: sorry, my mistake
[21:49] <ellar> so no solution?
[21:51] <ellar> so think this is missing. Will try to make suggestion on launchpad
[21:54] <maco> ellar: only a few apps are having support for that added at a time. no one has gotten to xchat yet
[21:54] <maco> i'm going to try to do it
[21:54] <ellar> maco i am not angry. Just thought it would be a nice feature so i made the suggestion
[21:55] <ellar> maco oh would be great!
[21:55] <maco> well we know there's a bunch of things that need it
[21:55] <Ienorand> With latest updates applied trashing and restoring seems to work perfectly here, running it *installed* on a usb stick.
[21:55] <maco> so its sort of in "on the roadmap, havent gotten there yet" mode
[21:55] <ellar> maco but the area is already really useful and i would like all my apps using it ;-)
[21:56] <maco> hehe
[21:56] <maco> well help me make a list
[21:56] <BHSPitCSP> maco: after xchat can you add notification support for moon-buggy plz
[21:56] <ellar> BHSPitCSP, whats that?
[21:56] <maco> note that i dont actually know how to do this yet. im just going to play around with it whn i get a chance. but if we have a list, people can call dibs on different apps to do it
[21:56] <ellar> maco, skype would be great but i know its not opensource
[21:56] <BHSPitCSP> An important piece of linux software
[21:57] <durt> before I start looking though LP, anyone know of a bug related to ttys 1 through 7 dieing and gdm starting up on tty8?
[21:57] <maco> ellar: that makes skype impossible...unless you convince *them* to
[21:57] <BHSPitCSP> durt: "dieing"?
[21:57] <ellar> maco thats the thing :-(
[21:57] <DanaG> Skype is evil.
[21:57] <BHSPitCSP> In what sense does the tty "die"?
[21:57] <DanaG> It's been broken under PA for over a year, and they still haven't fixed it.
[21:57] <ellar> !info moon-buggy
[21:58] <maco> O-o what's that have to do with messaging?
[21:58] <durt> BHSPitCSP, c-a-f1 to f7 come up with a black screen.
[21:58] <ellar> BHSPitCSP, i see ^^
[21:58] <maco> durt: no cursor flashing? that's a bad video driver
[21:58] <maco> VT switching is broken
[21:58] <BHSPitCSP> durt: perhaps your fb video mode is set wrong
[21:58] <BHSPitCSP> maco: "You crashed your buggy."
[21:59] <maco> wouldnt you notice that?
[21:59] <ellar> and maco firefox could be helpful, too. like 'download finished' p.e
[21:59] <durt> maco, tty8 has xorg started.
[21:59] <maco> ellar: we're not allowed to modify frefox
[22:00] <maco> they get very very very unhappy when you modify it and keep the name as firefox. see the debian/iceweasel issue
[22:00] <maco> any changes must be small and approved by them
[22:00] <ellar> ok i see
[22:00] <ellar> so have fun!
[22:00] <maco> oh empathy...does empathy use it?
[22:00] <Ienorand> Has there been any discussions on changing to iceweasel?
[22:01] <josh-l> hey folks, firefox is super slow for me... mainly switching tabs, and using the menus... I'm running kubuntu jaunty btw
[22:01] <maco> Ienorand: well we have an unbranded firefox called "abrowser". abrowser, iceweasel, and epiphany have all been discussed
[22:01] <josh-l> anything I can do?
[22:01] <maco> josh-l: kill & relaunch?
[22:01] <maco> yay memory leaks?
[22:02] <josh-l> maco: it's always like that
[22:02] <josh-l> even if i kill
[22:02] <josh-l> can i fix mem leaks?
[22:02] <josh-l> if thats the issue
[22:03] <BHSPitCSP> its memory is freed after you kill it, if that's what you mean
[22:03] <josh-l> no i mean fix them for good
[22:03] <BHSPitCSP> josh-l: write a patch and send it to mozilla
[22:03] <maco> how's your knowledge of C++ & COM?
[22:03] <josh-l> not good
[22:04]  * maco shudders from the memories
[22:04] <ghindo> I keep hearing my laptop's hard drive head parking excessively.  Is anybody else experiencing this?
[22:07] <Ienorand> josh-l: it should probably not be as horrendous as you describe it, depending on the hardware of course...
[22:08] <josh-l> its worse than its ever been
[22:08] <BHSPitCSP> josh-l: I like using Epiphany whenever firefox's weight has me down
[22:08] <erichj_> anyone know of bleeding edge drivers PPA for intel video? this is unbearable.
[22:09] <josh-l> BHSPitCSP: yeah im running kubuntu so my choice would be konqueror... its not good enough for me
[22:09] <BHSPitCSP> you can still use epiphany...
[22:09] <ghindo> erichj_: Have you tried enabling UXA?
[22:09] <ghindo> erichj_: See the third bullet point:
[22:09] <ghindo> erichj_: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/jaunty/beta#Known%20issues
[22:10] <erichj_> ghindo: yes and the drivers still suck.
[22:10] <erichj_> horribly unstable
[22:10] <josh-l> ah i thought this might be the problem... its the jaunty fix for oxygen on firefox... really slows down firefox :(
[22:10] <josh-l> its pretty
[22:10] <DanaG> https://launchpad.net/~tormodvolden/+archive/ppa
[22:11] <erichj_> DanaG: thanks
[22:11] <ghindo> erichj_: You might also want to try the 2.6.29 kernel
[22:11] <DanaG> how to add a key once it says "key not found"
[22:11] <maco> josh-l: wait the one that makes the tabs get cut off all funny?
[22:11] <maco> im using clearlooks for my gtk
[22:12] <DanaG> sudo apt-key adv --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-key REALLYLONGKEYGOESHERE
[22:12] <maco> you only need the last 8 digits...
[22:12] <DanaG> Easy enough to double-click the error, then copy and paste.
[22:14] <erichj_> ghindo: I am installing fedora 11 beta to test 2.6.29 if it performs better I will compile it an install it for jaunty
[22:14] <ghindo> erichj_: I think that there's also a PPA for 2.6.29, if you want to try that.
[22:14] <maco> the kernel team maintains vanilla builds
[22:15] <josh-l> maco: jaunty uses something else now since beta, its really pretty no cutting off but seriously slows down my firefox
[22:15] <josh-l> anyone know a good way to turn off touchpad while typing?
[22:15] <DanaG> It's not a true PPA, though.
[22:16] <erichj_> I'd rather compile my own kernel anyway
[22:16]  * DanaG wonders when jaunty+1 will have repos.  =þ
[22:17] <maco> josh-l: syndaemon
[22:17] <josh-l> maco: but any specific how to etc?
[22:17] <maco> josh-l: man syndaemon?
[22:18] <maco> just put syndaemon with whatever settings you want into your startup scripts
[22:18] <jtheuer> anyone else who lost his sound today? (hda_intel)
[22:18] <maco> or her
[22:18] <DanaG> man syndaemon
[22:19] <maco> josh-l: you could try syndaemon -t -K
[22:19] <BluesKaj> maco, afaik jaunty is defaulting to alsa , not pulse audio , so the command : asoundconf set-default-card "name of soundcard" still applies. It works for alsa.
[22:19] <BHSPitCSP> woah, moon-buggy really is buggy
[22:19] <BHSPitCSP> it's been maxing out one of my CPU cores ever since I closed it
[22:19] <maco> BluesKaj: since hardy we've defaulted to pulseaudio
[22:20] <maco> BluesKaj: asoundconf is no longer recommended...wasnt recommended in intrepid either
[22:20] <josh-l> maco: what will that do?
[22:20] <BluesKaj> well, it still works
[22:21] <maco> josh-l: turn off tapping during typing except for if its a modifier key so you can still ctrl+tap to ctrl+click
[22:21] <BluesKaj> btw maco , who is "we" ?
[22:21] <maco> BluesKaj: by "we" i mean "ubuntu"
[22:21] <josh-l> maco: thats cool, but i want to turn off the touchpad completely not just tapping
[22:22] <maco> josh-l: oh, no moving either?
[22:22] <josh-l> maco: right
[22:22] <maco> josh-l: in that case, i think just plain "syndaemon" does that
[22:23] <josh-l> maco: how could i have it run when i'm typing?
[22:23] <maco> josh-l: its a daemon. you start it, it keeps going
[22:23] <maco> it monitors to see if youve been typing. if you're typing, the touchpad wont do anything. if you're not typing, it will
[22:23] <josh-l> oh wow
[22:24] <josh-l> maco: http://paste.ubuntu.com/141707/
[22:25] <josh-l> maco thats just running "syndaemon"
[22:25] <maco> BluesKaj: of course, both ubuntu and kubuntu have alsa (gotta have drivers) but pulseaudio and phonon decide which device is used by which stream
[22:25] <josh-l> maco: perhaps I need to turn on SHMConfig first?
[22:26] <maco> shouldnt need to...
[22:26] <erichj_> is there a trick with dontzap? i ran 'sudo dontzap --disable' but I still can't restart x with ctrl+alt+backspace
[22:26] <josh-l> maco: did you see that error?
[22:26] <the_dark_warrio> It seems I enabled a compiz "feature" which moves the mouse to the window when alt tab to it. Any hints on disabling this?
[22:26] <maco> erichj_: hav you restarted since then?
[22:27] <maco> erichj_: it wont affect the current running session
[22:27] <erichj_> maco: ahhhhh go figure
[22:27] <erichj_> guess I am restarting
[22:27] <maco> josh-l: i see your pastebin, but i dont see that problem here
[22:27] <maco> erichj_: or log out & in
[22:27] <josh-l> hmmm
[22:27] <BluesKaj> maco, from what I've been reading alsa is the default driver for most audio applications , but why are they confusing ppl with pulse audio and alsa as competitive systems when they are obviously integrated .
[22:28] <maco> erichj_: but the current X session has to end before the change goes into effect
[22:28] <maco> BluesKaj: competitive?
[22:28] <maco> BluesKaj: you dont understand
[22:28] <maco> PulseAudio is a sound server ON TOP OF alsa
[22:28] <BluesKaj> well, I have had ppl ask me which one to choose
[22:28] <maco> ALSA and OSS compete
[22:29] <josh-l> brb enabling shmconfig
[22:29] <maco> PulseAudio sits on top of both and lets there be 1 single way to talk to any sound device using either ALSA or OSS without needing to know anything about the device
[22:29] <DanaG> remember: fdi file, not xorg.conf
[22:29] <maco> PulseAudio is abstraction layer
[22:29] <BluesKaj> then we should load an expalnation into the ubottu , !audio
[22:29] <DanaG> Why do people even use oss4?
[22:29] <maco> DanaG: certain devices have REALLY crappy ALSA support
[22:29] <DanaG> You can't use OSS4 for PA, because OSS4 generates spurious errors that make PA give up on it.
[22:30] <DanaG> I tried OSS4 on my system, and it just hard-locked.
[22:30] <maco> DanaG: ew yucky. older versions of OSS worked...
[22:31] <maco> well, supposedly worked
[22:31] <maco> !audio
[22:31] <maco> doh
[22:31] <maco> that's old
[22:31] <maco> that wont even work on Jaunty since users arent in the audio group by default
[22:32] <DanaG> why is the audio group even still around?
[22:32] <the_dark_warrio> Is there any acessibility option on ubuntu which moves the mouse to the center of the "Alt-Tabbed" window? I think I enabled the "feature" accidentally and I don't know how to disable it..
[22:32] <maco> DanaG: controls access to /dev/<soundstuff>
[22:32] <DanaG> the_dark_warrio: it'd be in compizconfig-settings-manager, under the "zoom desktop"
[22:32] <BluesKaj> interesting , that alsa needs to work with pulse audio , when can't the alsa work thru hal with out confusing the issue by even mentioning pulse audio
[22:32] <maco> DanaG: pulse is a member of it
[22:33] <josh-l_> maco: damn enabled shmconfig but still have that same error!
[22:33] <DanaG> One major gripe I have: Bluetooth.
[22:33] <maco> BluesKaj: it is possible to use alsa on its own, of course, *however* pulseaudio makes it much easier to do things that are absolute black magic with plain ALSA
[22:33] <DanaG> I CAN'T create an rfcomm connection to my phone.
[22:33] <DanaG> Simply impossible.
[22:34] <DanaG> Or rather, I can edit a config file to do it... but that sucks.
[22:34] <josh-l_> maco: odd running with -S works
[22:35] <maco> -S tells it to use shmconfig
[22:35] <maco> weird...mine works without that
[22:35] <BluesKaj> maco , i do understand but the pulse audio role is not clearly explained in the bot info , it should be updated to clear up the confusion
[22:35] <maco> i agree
[22:36] <maco> i'll make a little ubottu-size blurb
[22:36] <maco> and find someone to put it in there
[22:36] <maco> !pulseaudio
[22:36]  * Blues-Man good blues night
[22:36] <maco> hey it knows about that
[22:37] <BluesKaj> all my audio sources work fine and I haven't bothered with any settings except in kmix and alsamixer and that's it . bringing puls e audio into the picture ('scuse the choice of words) seems unecessary.
[22:37] <erichj> well that was interesting
[22:38] <erichj> logging out doesn't take me back to KDM, just a black screen.
[22:45] <maco> BluesKaj: you mention kmix, so you're on kubuntu?  Well I'm guessing you probably have Phonon in the mix...
[22:45] <BluesKaj> maco , I wonder if the different roles that alsa and pulse audio play in linux audio structure could be integrated in the bot info too.
[22:46] <DanaG> oh, and what is phonon?  is it like gstreamer, at all?
[22:46] <BluesKaj> maco, it would certainly help de-confuse some situations
[22:47] <DanaG> I wonder if I'd actually get any benefit from telling PA to use 24-bit.
[22:47] <maco> DanaG: yes, similar, but i dont think they like that comparison,
[22:47] <maco> Phonon is one layer *above* gstreamer and xine
[22:48] <maco> but its video and audio. whereas pulse is a sound server that lets you play songs on your computer over the network to your entertainment center if you want
[22:48] <maco> or you can migrate an audio stream, while it's playing, without the application that's playing it noticing, from one device to another
[22:49] <BluesKaj> maco , i use a python app called pyTivo which sends media to my TiVo / HT
[22:50] <dudette> hi
[22:51] <dudette> do you guys think it will be worth it to upgrade from 8.10 to 9.04?
[22:51] <DanaG> wtf?  -bash: /dev/null: Permission denied
[22:52] <BluesKaj> maco , what method does pulseaudio use it send to other network devices ?
[22:52] <dtchen> BluesKaj: that's why kubuntu doesn't seed pa by default. there's no real need or movement.
[22:52] <_VIM_2> can someone say my nick? im testing highlighting, ty :)
[22:52] <dtchen> BluesKaj: it can use a number of protocols, the default being rtp
[22:52] <dudette> _VIM_2
[22:53] <_VIM_2> ty :D
[22:53] <dudette> how did you do it?
[22:53] <Ienorand> dudette: are there any particular features you are looking for? Otherwise, only upgrade for testing, and backup first...
[22:53] <dudette> i also want highlighting
[22:53] <_VIM_2> dudette, in xchat settings do you use xchat?
[22:53] <dudette> lenorand: no just wondering
[22:53] <dudette> pidgin
[22:53] <_VIM_2> ah donno bout pidgin sorry :D
[22:53] <dudette> ok
[22:54] <dudette> :)
[22:54] <dudette> is x chat the best irc client for linux?
[22:55] <dtchen> ("best" is subjective.)
[22:55] <DanaG> yo, install pidgin-plugin-pack, and then enable irchelper plugin (and such)
[22:55] <erichj> quassel is a pretty cool irc client
[22:56] <dudette> how do i install it?
[22:58] <erichj> dudette: open synaptic and search for it, or open a terminal and type 'sudo apt-get install quassel'
[22:58] <dudette> thx
[23:00] <dudette> i searched for it, there is client, core and data
[23:00] <dudette> but only for kde. i am on gnomw
[23:01] <remu> Hey folks, I'm running the Kubuntu Jaunty Beta (I was running the Ubuntu Jaunty Beta earlier), and everything seems to be working well enough, except for the computer shutting down and rebooting. In both ubuntu and kubuntu sometimes the restart/shutdown works fine. Otherwise it closes everything and seems like it is shutting down, and goes to a blank screen with a blinking cursor, and yet at other times still it goes to that blank scr
[23:01] <remu>  says "*Will now reboot" (or something like that)
[23:02] <PhotoJim> dudette: that's a really subjective question.  xchat is good.  chatzilla is a plug-in for Firefox.  and irssi is a great terminal-based one.
[23:04] <remu> So I went into the policy kit thing, and under HAL I found an entry for shutdown and one for reboot, and added my account under the explicit authorization portion....since then the problem seems to have been solved. I won't mess anything up by doing that will I?
[23:04] <DanaG> ARGH! My /dev/null is entirely GONE!
[23:04] <dtchen> remu: please report the bug using "ubuntu-bug linux".
[23:05] <remu> dtchen: I believe it is already reported (I subscribed to one that seemed to be similar to my problem)
[23:05] <remu> but I was wondering if the "workaround" I had found....if that will do any damage?
[23:06] <dtchen> remu: no, it won't
[23:06] <dtchen> remu: can you reproduce the symptom reliably in: 1) a live cd, 2) a fresh user?
[23:06] <remu> dtchen: Oh okay thanks...well, maybe I can let the other people in the bug know what I had to do to resolve my issue.
[23:07] <remu> dtchen: I haven't tried either. If I remember correctly I didn't have a problem restarting with the livecd after the install (but I could be wrong, I will try that)
[23:07] <remu> dtchen: should it make a difference? (I can try with a fresh user right now)
[23:08] <dtchen> remu: that's what you're supposed to find out ;)
[23:09] <remu> lol, very true.
[23:09] <remu> I'll do the fresh user aspect of it shortly.
[23:18] <Milos_SD> crdlb, I remember why I wanted compiz from git.. :) It is becouse when I have some video full screen, and when that new ubuntu notifications appear, video flickers... That didn't happend when I had compiz from git ;)
[23:20] <mint3> can anyone help me
[23:20] <mint3> i cannot install the madwifi drivers for my wireless atheros card
[23:20] <mint3> my wireless is not working
[23:20] <mint3> tried, ndiswrap, and that was unsuccessful too
[23:21] <J-_> How can I install KDE4.2 in Jaunty? I already have GNOME installed.
[23:22] <mint3> !kde | J-_
[23:22] <ghindo> J-_: install the package "kubuntu-desktop"
[23:22] <j0nr> hi all. I can't seem to get wireless working. Have enabled the restrcited driver, but when I pull the ethernet out, there is no list of available wireless networks as usual. iwconfig shows I have wlan0 ok
[23:23] <mint3> j0nr - i been askin for days now mate
[23:23] <j0nr> oh ok...
[23:23] <mint3> j0nr - most were unsuccessful
[23:23] <mint3> did u try the madwifi drivers
[23:23] <j0nr> no what are they? the fwcutter worked fine in 8.0
[23:23] <mint3> i tried an xp driver for atheros
[23:24] <mint3> that didnt work via ndiswrapper either
[23:24] <gohmifune> anyone having issues with network manager? I'm under kubuntu
[23:24] <mint3> anyone out here who can help
[23:27] <j0nr> mint3: so do you appear to have a working wireless network card, but just not detecting any networks?
[23:28] <mint3> i got 2 partitions on the laptop
[23:28] <mint3> on windows, i can log on no problemo with my wireless
[23:28] <mint3> only seem to be nutso on jaunty
[23:28] <j0nr> were you on intrepid or hardy before?
[23:28] <mint3> 8.10
[23:29] <j0nr> and wireless ok
[23:29] <mint3> yeah
[23:29] <mint3> was working fine
[23:29] <mint3> was using madwifi
[23:29] <mint3> still worked fine
[23:29] <J-_> ghindo: Thanks. Installing now. Haven't tried KDE in a long time, or at least installed 2 DE's in a while. Didn't know the metapackage was called kubuntu-desktop now. I guess kde 3.5.x is non-existent now.
[23:29] <j0nr> hmm ok
[23:31] <crdlb> Milos_SD: unredirect_fullscreen_windows
[23:31] <crdlb> Milos_SD: turn that off and fullscreen performance will go down, but the flickering will go away
[23:32] <gohmifune> mint3: are you having wifi trouble too?
[23:39] <ShakaGoldSaint> hello there!
[23:39] <gohmifune> There's a bug where knetworkmanger doesn't work unless is kwallet is enabled, where would I report that to?
[23:39] <gohmifune> kde or ubuntu bug tracker
[23:39] <ShakaGoldSaint> anyone here using the lastest ati catalyst driver in Jaunty (9.3)?
[23:41] <ShakaGoldSaint> !fglrx
[23:42] <crdlb> ShakaGoldSaint: having a problem with it?
[23:42] <ShakaGoldSaint> crdlb, yep
[23:43] <ShakaGoldSaint> i can't get it to work, some xorg version mismatch acording to xorg logs
[23:44] <crdlb> are you using the xorg-driver-fglrx package?
[23:44] <ShakaGoldSaint> nope
[23:44] <crdlb> there's your problem
[23:45] <crdlb> the officially released fglrx doesn't have xserver 1.6 support
[23:45] <crdlb> jaunty has a beta version
[23:46] <ShakaGoldSaint> oh hamburguers
[23:46] <ShakaGoldSaint> crdlb, thanks man
[23:58] <DanaG> crdlb: somebody figured out a workaround for my fglrx panic.
[23:58] <DanaG> Unfortunately, nvidia 96 is still just as broken as always.  =þ
[23:58] <bsnider> DanaG, is that a desktop or laptop?
[23:58] <DanaG> The fglrx one is a laptop: Mobility HD3650.
[23:58] <bsnider> how unfortunate