[06:26] <dholbach> good morning
[15:56] <zul> heylo
[15:56] <ivoks> hi
[15:56] <sommer> yo to all :)
[16:00]  * mathiaz waves
[16:00] <ivoks> o/
[16:00] <mathiaz> Let's get the Ubuntu Server team started
[16:00] <mathiaz> #startmeeting
[16:00] <MootBot> Meeting started at 10:00. The chair is mathiaz.
[16:00] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[16:00] <mathiaz> Today's agenda:https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Meeting
[16:01] <mathiaz> Last week agenda: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/Server/20090324
[16:01] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] KVM backport in hardy
[16:01] <MootBot> New Topic:  KVM backport in hardy
[16:02] <mathiaz> kirkland: ^^ how is this going?
[16:04] <mathiaz> allright - kirkland doesn't seem to be around - let's postpone this topic
[16:04] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] Server Guide
[16:04] <MootBot> New Topic:  Server Guide
[16:04] <mathiaz> sommer: how is this coming along?
[16:04] <sommer> mathiaz: should be good to go for jaunty
[16:05] <mathiaz> sommer: did you get any feedback on the new and updated sections?
[16:05] <sommer> received some great feed back from translators and some upstream projects
[16:05] <sommer> mathiaz: yep, the eucalyptus team were great with feedback :)
[16:07] <mathiaz> sommer: awesome.
[16:07] <sommer> mathiaz: not sure there's much more news, some of the new sections were reviewed, but some weren't... but they can always be updated in the next release
[16:07] <mathiaz> anything else to report on the documentation front?
[16:08] <sommer> mathiaz: don't think so
[16:08] <mathiaz> ok.
[16:08] <mathiaz> sommer: thanks for keeping on a eye on the Server Guide !
[16:08] <sommer> mathiaz: welcome :-)
[16:08] <mathiaz> That's all I had from last week minutes.
[16:09] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] NUMA support for 64bit -server kernel
[16:09] <MootBot> New Topic:  NUMA support for 64bit -server kernel
[16:09] <mathiaz> cooloney: ^^?
[16:09] <cooloney> yeah, mathiaz
[16:09] <cooloney> i am bryan from kernel team
[16:09] <cooloney> we got a request from mdz for such numa things
[16:09] <mathiaz> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/331308
[16:09] <cooloney> how do you guys think
[16:09] <cooloney> right
[16:10] <ivoks> any known sideffects?
[16:11] <cooloney> for kernel, it will change the abi
[16:11] <zul> i dont have a problem with it
[16:11] <cooloney> and enable some options for NUMA config
[16:11] <ivoks> cooloney: just for amd64 or i386 too?
[16:11] <mathiaz> According to the bug report: Even if it has some overhead on non-NUMA machines,
[16:11] <cooloney> is that ok for jaunty?
[16:12] <cooloney> ivoks, i think only for amd64
[16:12] <cooloney> not i386
[16:12] <mathiaz> Has this been measured?
[16:12] <mathiaz> cooloney: I'm not sure if we can still enable this in jaunty
[16:12] <cooloney> mathiaz, oh, no, i have no idea about the overhead
[16:13] <mathiaz> cooloney: It seems that it's a new feature in the kernel
[16:13] <cooloney> mathiaz, i understand, so we plan to discuss this things in our kernel sprint meeting this week
[16:13] <cooloney> mathiaz, right, so it should be for karmic
[16:14] <mathiaz> cooloney: ok - I don't have an issue with enable NUMA per se.
[16:14] <cooloney> ok, guys, i guess you guys are agree to enable it for karmic
[16:14] <mathiaz> cooloney: It's just that it seems a bit late in the release cycle to enable such a new thing.
[16:14] <mathiaz> cooloney: for karmic, yes.
[16:14] <cooloney> thanks, i will talk to our kernel members about this and try to enable it.
[16:14] <mathiaz> cooloney: now it's up to you discuss it for jaunty.
[16:15] <mathiaz> cooloney: IMO it's too late.
[16:15] <cooloney> mathiaz, yeah, i agreee
[16:15] <ivoks> i found a PDF with some overhead charts
[16:15] <ivoks> but it's from 2001 :/
[16:16] <cooloney> ivoks, do you have the URL of the PDF?
[16:16] <ivoks> cooloney: http://jp.fujitsu.com/group/labs/downloads/techinfo/technote/linux/optimizing-numa.pdf
[16:16] <ivoks> cooloney: but i woulnd't take it into account
[16:16] <ivoks> it's really old
[16:16] <cooloney> mathiaz, so i agree we are not going to enable NUMA for Jaunty but for karmic
[16:17] <cooloney> ivoks, thx, got it
[16:17] <mathiaz> great.
[16:17] <mathiaz> cooloney: thanks for bringing up this topic.
[16:17] <mathiaz> cooloney: anything else to add?
[16:17] <cooloney> mathiaz, one more thing
[16:18] <cooloney> how do you guys think to enable PAE for i386 flavour
[16:18] <cooloney> maybe it is not very interesting for server folks, -:))
[16:18] <zul> suse already does that but it still might be late for jaunty
[16:18] <ivoks> weren't there some ideas in mountain view about merging server and generic?
[16:19] <cooloney> we plan to introduce i386-pae flavour for karmic
[16:19] <ivoks> (iirc, most of the server related stuff can be done with sysctl)
[16:19] <mathiaz> right - IIRC PAE for i386 was discussed during last UDS with the kernel team
[16:20] <cooloney> mathiaz, ok, no problem.
[16:20] <cooloney> please go on the meeting.
[16:20] <mathiaz> great. Thanks
[16:20] <cooloney> we can discuss that in our team sprint,
[16:20] <mathiaz> let's move on
[16:20] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] Ubuntu on EC2
[16:20] <MootBot> New Topic:  Ubuntu on EC2
[16:20] <mathiaz> zul: ^^
[16:21] <zul> hi
[16:21] <mathiaz> zul: how is the state of the intrepid images?
[16:21] <zul> they are going well no major problems being reported
[16:21] <zul> ec2-api-tools were renelty packaved for jaunty and are available now
[16:21] <mathiaz> is there another beta planned?
[16:21] <zul> there is
[16:22] <zul> im not sure when though, it should be announced soon
[16:22] <zul> by that time we should have some hardy images available for public use
[16:22] <zul> jaunty is still being worked on
[16:22] <mathiaz> zul: great. So the next set of images will be beta images for hardy?
[16:23] <zul> hardy and intrepid
[16:23] <mathiaz> zul: great. And later on there will be images based on jaunty too.
[16:23] <mathiaz> zul: ?
[16:23] <zul> thats the plan there is more of a demand from our users for hardy before jaunty
[16:24] <mathiaz> zul: agreed.
[16:24] <mathiaz> zul: what will be the kernel base for hardy?
[16:24] <zul> 2.6.24
[16:24] <zul> 2.6.28 for jaunty
[16:25] <zul> i think thats it from me
[16:25] <mathiaz> zul: great.
[16:25] <mathiaz> zul: where all the new beta images will be announced?
[16:25] <mathiaz> zul: on the ec2-beta mailing list/
[16:25] <mathiaz> zul: ?
[16:25] <zul> correct
[16:26] <mathiaz> zul: great. Thanks for giving an update.
[16:26] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] Bugs from beta
[16:26] <MootBot> New Topic:  Bugs from beta
[16:27] <mathiaz> so as you may have noticed we've released a beta version of Jaunty last Thursday
[16:27] <mathiaz> and we've seen an increase in the number of bugs filed
[16:27] <mathiaz> so any help in triagging them is welcomed
[16:28] <mathiaz> so that we can have a good view on what's going wrong in Jaunty
[16:28] <mathiaz> and help make a rock-solid release by the end of April.
[16:30] <jdbrowne> How can we help triage the bugs ?
[16:31] <ivoks> reproducing them would be a good step
[16:31] <mathiaz> http://ubuntuservernewbugs.notlong.com/
[16:31] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://ubuntuservernewbugs.notlong.com/
[16:32] <mathiaz> ^^ here is a link to the list of NEW bugs related to the ubuntu-server team
[16:33] <jdbrowne> if I reproduce them, I put a new comment or can I change the status to 'confirmed' ?
[16:34] <mathiaz> jdbrowne: if you can reproduce them, you can move them to the confirmed state
[16:34] <jdbrowne> ok, feel free to bump to the right doc
[16:34] <jdbrowne> to bump me
[16:34] <mathiaz> jdbrowne: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/KnowledgeBase#Bug%20Triager%20resources
[16:35] <mathiaz> jdbrowne: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/GettingInvolved#Triage%20bugs%20and%20become%20a%20Triager
[16:36] <mathiaz> Any help in triagging the influx of bug for beta is welcome!
[16:36] <mathiaz> let's move on.
[16:36] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] Open Discussion
[16:36] <MootBot> New Topic:  Open Discussion
[16:36] <mathiaz> Anyone wants to add anything?
[16:36] <Extend> me
[16:36] <mathiaz> ivoks: what's on your mind?
[16:37] <mathiaz> Extend: sure
[16:37] <Extend> it's not about the meeting's topic
[16:37] <ivoks> mathiaz: check out bacula and rhcs
[16:37] <Extend> i want to talk control of my loco team cause they are lazy
[16:37] <ivoks> see if there are bugs and triage them
[16:37] <Extend> and i've done great things in my country
[16:38] <mathiaz> Extend: this is not the right moment to ask about that - and not the right people
[16:38] <ivoks> Extend: wrong meeting
[16:38] <Extend> i know
[16:38] <Extend> it is a wrong meeting
[16:38] <Extend> no upcoming scheduled meeting for this topic
[16:38] <ivoks> who is in favour of droping rhcs for next ubuntu releases and going with linuxHA instead?
[16:38] <Extend> but i want someone to tell me what to do
[16:39] <zul> ivoks: mememememememememe!!!
[16:39]  * zul raises his hand
[16:39]  * zul raises his hand
[16:39] <zul> heh
[16:39] <ivoks> zul: me too :)
[16:39] <nealmcb> Extend: join #ubuntu-locoteams
[16:40] <mathiaz> Extend: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoFAQ?highlight=%28CategoryLoCoTeams%29#The%20LoCo%20team%20in%20my%20area%20is%20not%20very%20good,%20can%20I%20replace%20it?
[16:40] <Extend> nealmcb, thanks a lot
[16:40] <mathiaz> Extend: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoFAQ
[16:40] <Extend> mathiaz, thanks :d i don't know what to say really
[16:40] <jdbrowne> what is wrong with rhcs?
[16:40] <mathiaz> Extend: ^^ that page should give you pointers to move forward
[16:41] <mathiaz> ivoks: what's the issue with bacula?
[16:41] <mathiaz> ivoks: it needs more testing/fixing in jaunty?
[16:41] <Extend> thanks all
[16:41] <ivoks> mathiaz: i guess not, but i have to check if there are bugs for jaunty
[16:41] <mathiaz> ivoks: same question for rhcs
[16:41] <ivoks> mathiaz: i was thinking at loud
[16:42] <ivoks> there's nothing more we could do for jaunty, except bugs triaging
[16:42] <mathiaz> ivoks: ok. So more testing and bug handling is required for bacula
[16:42] <ivoks> mathiaz: well, the usual care and testing
[16:43] <mathiaz> ivoks: ok.
[16:43] <mathiaz> ivoks: what about rhcs?
[16:44] <ivoks> mathiaz: well, i would like to see jaunty being last version that supports rhcs
[16:44] <mathiaz> ivoks: IIRC rhcs and linux-ha are not totally feature compatible
[16:44] <ivoks> mathiaz: fabionne was maintainer of rhcs in ubuntu and now we have quite old rhcs
[16:44] <ivoks> mathiaz: no one else wants to take it and not that many people use it
[16:44] <mathiaz> ivoks: is there an equivalent to gvfs in linux-ha?
[16:44] <ivoks> gfs
[16:45] <mathiaz> ivoks: fabionne gave up rhcs in ubuntu?
[16:45] <mathiaz> ivoks: IIUC he was still maintaining it
[16:45] <mathiaz> ivoks: I've seen a couple of upload to jaunty
[16:45] <Agafonov> mathiaz: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCouncilAgenda points here as todays LoCo meeting. Is it mistake?
[16:46] <ivoks> mathiaz: there was his post on ubuntu-devel about rhcs
[16:46] <ivoks> mathiaz: let me find it
[16:46] <mathiaz> Agafonov: sure - at 20:00 UTC
[16:47] <ivoks> mathiaz: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2009-February/027583.html
[16:47] <mathiaz> ivoks: right.
[16:48] <mathiaz> ivoks: we should probably discuss that during the next UDS
[16:48] <ivoks> of course...
[16:48] <mathiaz> ivoks: and see what we should do about it.
[16:48] <mathiaz> ivoks: I thought there was some demand for rhcs
[16:48] <ivoks> i don't know if anyone is that familliar with it as fabio
[16:49] <mathiaz> ivoks: ok - from a maintainance point of view.
[16:49] <mathiaz> ivoks: and so the proposal would be to replace it with linux-ha?
[16:49] <ivoks> mathiaz: i use it on couple of projects... does anyone else here uses it?
[16:49] <ivoks> it would be great if canonical would give some info about their customer requests for rhcs
[16:50]  * sommer has been considering it, but hasn't really gone in depth
[16:50] <mathiaz> ivoks: I don't know. I can ask the Canonical support guys about it.
[16:50] <ivoks> mathiaz: please do
[16:50] <ivoks> that's for karmic, of course...
[16:50] <mathiaz> ivoks: sure :)
[16:50] <ivoks> in jaunty, i'll make sure everything is working as it should
[16:51] <mathiaz> anything else to discuss?
[16:51] <ivoks> i didn't test it, so it might be ok already :)
[16:51] <mathiaz> ivoks: thanks for giving some love to bacula and rhcs
[16:51] <mathiaz> anything else to discuss?
[16:51] <jdbrowne> is it the right time and people to discuss glitches in the kvm/libvirt jaunty setup, or should I file the bugs first?
[16:52] <mathiaz> jdbrowne: filing bugs is the best way to proceed
[16:52] <jdbrowne> ok
[16:52] <nealmcb> jdbrowne: and then you can also see #ubuntu-virt
[16:53] <jdbrowne> nealmcb: done, i will file the bugs with all the steps to reproduce
[16:54] <mathiaz> jdbrowne: great thanks.
[16:54] <nealmcb> jdbrowne: good!
[16:54] <mathiaz> let's move on
[16:54] <jdbrowne> no pb. This is my own intrest :) will Nijaba be in solutions linux tomorrow also?
[16:54] <mathiaz> time to wrap up
[16:54] <mathiaz> jdbrowne: yes - he already is there
[16:54] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] Agree on next meeting date and time
[16:54] <MootBot> New Topic:  Agree on next meeting date and time
[16:54] <mathiaz> same place, same time, next week?
[16:55] <sommer> sure
[16:56] <ivoks> yes
[16:56] <ivoks> bye :)
[16:56] <mathiaz> great - so see you all next week, same place, same time
[16:56] <mathiaz> and don't forget to testdrive Jaunty Beta!
[16:56] <mathiaz> #endmeeting
[16:57] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 10:57.
[16:57] <sommer> thanks mathiaz, later on all
[17:51] <Garfeild> hi all
[18:48] <Villain> и тишина...
[18:49] <ubuntar> :-D
[18:54] <Villain> В черном-черном городе, на черной-черной улице, в черном-черном доме, в черно-черной квартире сидит черный-черный мужик и говорит:
[18:54] <Villain> - Никогда больше не буду сам заправлять картриджи!
[18:55] <Garfeild> Villain: please, stop
[19:32] <paalny92> I have verry low sound volume. Where iis the advanced volum controller in ubuntu? :P
[19:32] <aim1159> paalny92: it's not a support channel. please ask on #ubuntu
[19:32] <ianto> paalny92: The correct channel for that is #ubuntu however right click the speak in the top right corner
[19:32] <ianto> s/speak/speaker
[19:32] <ianto> And work it out or ask in #ubuntu
[20:51] <Greene> hi
[20:52] <GunbladeIV> hi
[20:52] <nbliang> hi
[20:52] <RachedTN> hi
[20:52] <RachedTN> :)
[20:52] <Garfeild> hi
[20:52] <Garfeild> damn!
[20:53] <Garfeild> i'm late)))
[20:53] <ApOgEE--> greetings all
[20:53] <Villain> hi
[20:54] <aim1159> Greene:
[20:54] <aim1159> Garfeild:
[21:00] <juliux> hi
[21:00] <juliux> the lococouncil is online but busy with an other issue
[21:00] <juliux> we will be here in a few minutes
[21:02] <nbliang> ok
[21:02]  * cprofitt waves
[21:02] <cprofitt> NY State is here
[21:03] <ianto> Good to hear ;)
[21:03] <juliux> cool
[21:03] <ianto> cprofitt: The council will take a few minutes, there was just an announcement
[21:03] <cprofitt> thanks ianto - one team dropped so perhaps we will make it to us
[21:03] <cprofitt> np
[21:03] <juliux> russian team also here?
[21:03] <Garfeild> yep
[21:04]  * kwah o/
[21:04] <Garfeild> juliux: it's me, aim1159, Greene, kwah, Agafonov
[21:04] <nbliang> MalaysianTeam is here
[21:04] <Garfeild> also ubuntar1, Villain
[21:04] <Garfeild> and skyrider )
[21:04] <kwah> Garfeild, and skyrider :D
[21:04] <ianto> Ubuntu Cymru (WelshTeam) from me
[21:04] <nbliang> but the main contact will be here soon (on the way back)
[21:05] <juliux> cool
[21:05] <Garfeild> juliux: and Malamut
[21:05] <Garfeild> (^_^)
[21:05] <aim1159> juliux: and Malamut
[21:06] <Garfeild> and Alsvartr...
[21:06] <kwah> yep, half of the list almost.
[21:06] <Garfeild> )
[21:07] <boredandblogging> lets get started
[21:07] <boredandblogging> Russian LoCo?
[21:07] <kwah> here
[21:07] <juliux> privet ;)
[21:08] <Garfeild> ^_^
[21:08] <kwah> juliux, cool :D
[21:08] <juliux> some russian knowledge from school is left;)
[21:09] <juliux> can you introduce your team short?
[21:09] <kwah> Russian Team is the number of enthusiasts
[21:10] <kwah> working mostly on the support of Russian speaking users
[21:10] <kwah> and managing relevant resources aimed to provide this support
[21:10] <kwah> We see our team as not really Local Team
[21:11] <kwah> but a meta Team of Russian speaking people
[21:11] <kwah> coordinating work related to Ubuntu and spreading knowledge about it
[21:12] <kwah> Currently we are in a period of reorganization
[21:12] <kwah> and in the process of clearly stating our goals in the areas mentioned in our approval application
[21:13] <kwah> Currently, the core of the team consists of about 20-30 active individuals passionate about what they are doing
[21:13] <kwah> What else would you like to know?
[21:14] <juliux> kwah: thanks
[21:14] <boredandblogging> before the reorganization, how was the LoCo set up?
[21:15] <kwah> Mostly there were people managing activities on the support forum, irc-channel
[21:15] <juliux> do you had some real life events?
[21:15] <juliux> and what do you think about ubuntu-eu and is there an involement from your team
[21:15] <kwah> plus big effort was put into the translation of the distribution
[21:16] <kwah> real life events: outings and parties coordinated mopstly via forum
[21:16] <kwah> ubuntu-eu: we have a contact with the team via our administrator
[21:16] <boredandblogging> the forums seem very active
[21:17] <JanC> do you do anything like installparties ?
[21:17] <kwah> yes it is very active, indeed
[21:17] <kwah> I am aware of such activities in the St-Petersburg LUG
[21:18] <kwah> representative of which is also here
[21:19] <aim1159> JanC: some of the memebers of our team do some install and release party activities in their local cities
[21:19] <aim1159> for example aceler do such parties in nizhniy novgorod
[21:19] <aim1159> i do such install and release parties on, nearly every release in saint petersburg
[21:20] <JanC> yeah, I can imagine you need local organisations / groups for that, Russia is rather big...
[21:20] <aim1159> but there is no such events wich is lables as 'russian loco team event' since there were no real loco in russia untill now
[21:20] <kwah> JanC, indeed
[21:20] <kwah> aim1159, +1
[21:20] <aim1159> so the next step, after formal russian loco organisatin is creating a sub-teams on each city wich have active members of ubuntu community
[21:21] <JanC> you can keep working together with the local LUGs I guess...
[21:21] <kwah> JanC, yes we will do that
[21:23] <kwah> One of the most active parts of our forum, in fact, is where people look for each other for meetings and exchange of disks
[21:24] <boredandblogging> looks like you guys have done great work online, but I'm wondering about real life
[21:24] <kwah> Spreading Ubuntu install disks etc
[21:25] <kwah> boredandblogging, yep, we need more work on that, especially to make it more visible
[21:25] <kwah> from Internet
[21:25] <kwah> ;)
[21:26] <JanC> are there shops in Russia that sell PCs with Ubuntu?
[21:26] <Garfeild> yes, several
[21:27] <Garfeild> but i didn't see them)
[21:28] <kwah> JanC, In fact currently FOSS getting some momentum in Russia
[21:28] <kwah> Since the rules are becoming tighter and
[21:28] <kwah> bug#1 operating system becomes not really free (as in beer)
[21:29] <JanC> you mean copyright law is enforced now?  ;-)
[21:29] <kwah> yep
[21:29] <kwah> but not only copyright law
[21:29] <kwah> consumer rights as well
[21:31] <kwah> recently, FAS (anti-monopoly regulators) also stepped in with some questions to current practices
[21:31] <kwah> about selling OS bundled to hardware
[21:32] <JanC> ah, interresting
[21:33] <kwah> and, of course, number of projects currently going on with FOSS in schools and government institutions
[21:33] <kwah> although, Ubuntu is not represented  there, AFAIK
[21:33] <JanC> kwah: did you try to get schools involved?
[21:34] <JanC> you = the locoteam
[21:34] <kwah> yep, there are some efforts
[21:35] <kwah> but it is very difficult... since computer and Win is a kinda the same thing for teachers
[21:35] <kwah> Thats why I think our documentation and translation efforts are very important
[21:36] <kwah> of course, awareness about the existence of the Ubuntu is another vector of our attention
[21:37] <aim1159> JanC: most of the work with schools are faced with bureaucracy barrier
[21:37] <boredandblogging> lets vote
[21:37]  * kwah kinda scared
[21:37] <boredandblogging> +1 please do some real life events in the future, specifically for 9.04
[21:38] <kwah> we will
[21:38] <JanC> +1 but do some more live events, or document them better (they aren't in the approval-page at all now)
[21:38] <popey> +1
[21:39] <juliux> +1 but focus on some reallife activites;)
[21:39] <kwah> ;)
[21:39] <juliux> if you need help ask at the loco-contact list
[21:39] <kwah> of course
[21:39] <JanC> I think some of them already have experience, they can help others
[21:40] <boredandblogging> congrats Russian Team
[21:40] <johnc4510> w00t for the Russian Team
[21:40] <cprofitt> congrats Russia
[21:40] <kwah> Thanks all
[21:40] <ianto> Congratulations
[21:40] <cody-somerville> w00t
[21:40]  * aim1159 goes to LOR ;-)
[21:40] <GunbladeIV> congratez Russian Team
[21:40] <nbliang> congratulations to Russian Team
[21:40] <Mean-Machine> congrats Ubuntu-ru !
[21:40] <boredandblogging> Malaysia?
[21:40] <e-jat> congrate russian team
[21:40] <kwah> aim1159, wrong, go to ubuntu.ru :D
[21:41] <nbliang> yep
[21:41] <nbliang> hi, we r the MalaysianTeam
[21:41] <[Green]> :)
[21:41] <nbliang> our members currently online: e-jat, GunbladeIV & ApOgEE--
[21:41] <ubuntar1> Thank you!
[21:41] <ApOgEE--> hi
[21:41] <e-jat> hi all ..
[21:41]  * cprofitt three cheers for ApOgEE-- 
[21:41] <GunbladeIV> hello juliux , boredandblogging , popey , and JanC
[21:42]  * nbliang it's now 4+ in the early morning
[21:42]  * ApOgEE-- thanks cprofitt 
[21:42] <nbliang> :p
[21:42] <nbliang> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MalaysianTeam/ApprovalApplication
[21:42] <nbliang> can we proceed?
[21:42] <juliux> yes pls;)
[21:42] <JanC> yes, tell a bit about your team  ;)
[21:43] <nbliang> started in july 2005
[21:43] <nbliang> we provide free community support to users of any of the official Ubuntu flavours (ie. Kubuntu, Xubuntu) as well as advocating the use of Ubuntu to individuals and organisations a like
[21:43] <nbliang> goals:
[21:43] <nbliang> to spread the Ubuntu's spirit to anybody atht is staying in Malaysia
[21:43] <nbliang> be the central point for all Ubuntu users to discuss, get together and meet up
[21:43] <e-jat> that*
[21:43] <nbliang> to give the local support, provide supplies and information to users in Malaysia
[21:43] <nbliang> to organise events and to represent Ubuntu in local conferences / activities in Malaysia
[21:43] <nbliang> to involve in Ubuntu projects such as packaging, localisation and documentation
[21:43] <nbliang> strengthen Ubuntu brand in Malaysia in businesses, educations and government
[21:44] <nbliang> team wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MalaysianTeam
[21:44] <nbliang> 164 members registered
[21:45] <nbliang> anything else needed?
[21:45] <nbliang> locoteam also involve with the adoption of FOSS in government agencies
[21:45] <nbliang> some of the goverment agencies r using ubuntu
[21:45] <nbliang> such as ministry of education (MOE), matriculations, government schools, etc
[21:46] <nbliang> other main contribution is translation
[21:46] <nbliang> through launchpad
[21:46] <nbliang> we have active members in irc #ubuntu-my @ irc.freenode.net
[21:46] <nbliang> active forums at http://forums.ubuntu.com.my
[21:47] <nbliang> now starting to build local language wiki at http://wiki.ubuntu.com.my
[21:47] <nbliang> recently, we have meetup in march
[21:48] <nbliang> and organized some "lepaking" (Malay words, means gathering) for members
[21:48] <nbliang> upcoming events will be in end of April @ 1st week of May
[21:48] <nbliang> which is to participate in MSC-OSCON 2009 under OSDC.MY
[21:48] <nbliang> http://osdc.my/
[21:49] <juliux> impressive
[21:49] <boredandblogging> what events have you had since the July 2008 grand meet up?
[21:49] <nbliang> we have meet ups mostly
[21:49] <nbliang> since no big event is coming in
[21:49] <e-jat> boredandblogging: we participate in foss.my
[21:50] <e-jat> http://foss.my
[21:50] <nbliang> oh ya, forget about that
[21:50] <nbliang> thanks e-jat
[21:50] <e-jat> ubuntu-my having room for both ..
[21:50] <e-jat> booth*
[21:51] <e-jat> on foss.my .. explaining what is ubuntu .. and what can we do with it to delegate who attend the foss.my
[21:51] <nbliang> we also do conversino for various companies and agencies, as stated in our approval application
[21:52] <popey> Impressive stuff!
[21:52] <nbliang> btw, canonical did come visit MOE n terengganu state .. planning for the thin client solution with ubuntu
[21:52] <nbliang> MOE = ministry of education
[21:52] <popey> Lets vote on this..
[21:52] <boredandblogging> +1
[21:52] <JanC> +1
[21:52] <nbliang> thanks guys !!
[21:53] <e-jat> thanks boredandblogging , JanC
[21:53] <ApOgEE--> thanks
[21:53] <popey> +1
[21:54] <nbliang> thanks popey
[21:54] <boredandblogging> congrats
[21:54] <johnc4510> congrats Malaysian team
[21:54] <cprofitt> Congrats Malaysia - go ApOgEE--
[21:54] <popey> no, thank _you_!
[21:54] <ApOgEE--> thanks popey
[21:54] <e-jat> thanks council ..
[21:54] <GunbladeIV> w0ot Malaysian Team
[21:54] <ApOgEE--> thanks cprofitt
[21:54] <Mean-Machine> congrats to Malaysian LoCo
[21:54] <nbliang> question: we have to re-apply every year rite?
[21:54] <GunbladeIV> thanks to council
[21:54] <boredandblogging> I don't think we can do NY in a few minutes
[21:54] <popey> nbliang: no
[21:54] <e-jat> popey: ic ..
[21:54] <nbliang> oh, ok
[21:54] <nbliang> thanks popey
[21:54] <ApOgEE--> thanks Mean-Machine
[21:54] <popey> we review various teams periodically though
[21:54] <juliux> +1
[21:54] <e-jat> thanks all ..
[21:55] <juliux> see you next year;)
[21:55] <popey> so we may come back to you and ask you to tell us how you got on since you became official
[21:55] <nbliang> sure
[21:55] <ApOgEE--> thanks all
[21:55] <nbliang> thanks for the info
[21:55] <cprofitt> boredandblogging, so not enough time... I have it all ready to cut-n-paste so it can go faster
[21:55] <juliux> there is something missing at the NY Approval page;)
[21:55] <JanC> boredandblogging: you have to go?
[21:55] <e-jat> thanks .. so we do need to submit annual report for our activity to loco contact list /
[21:55] <e-jat> ?
[21:56] <boredandblogging> actually no
[21:56] <cprofitt> what is missing juliux ?
[21:56] <boredandblogging> we can do NY if we have quorum
[21:56] <popey> actually, I am sure dholbach would like a team report off you monthly :)
[21:56] <boredandblogging> lol
[21:56] <popey> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TeamReports
[21:56]  * nbliang NY Team, go go go
[21:56] <juliux> cprofitt: ubucon 2007;)
[21:56] <e-jat> owh .. ok ..
[21:56] <nbliang> popey: lol
[21:56] <juliux> cprofitt: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TheUbucon/NYC2007 ;)
[21:56] <cprofitt> Hello I am from the NY team
[21:56]  * ApOgEE-- go go cprofitt 
[21:56] <e-jat> i already email to dholbach recently
[21:56] <cprofitt> hal14450, ausimage and marnold are here
[21:56] <cprofitt> as well from NY
[21:57] <cprofitt> The New York State Team is active in supporting FOSS and Ubuntu across all of NY State. We work with existing LUGS and SIGS to support Ubuntu and Linux users. We are active in trying to get IT consulting firms to consider adding FOSS and Linux products to the items they offer to support.
[21:57] <cprofitt>  I am personally an advocate for Ubuntu and FOSS in K-12 Schools across the state. The team was formed a while ago, but it was not until last last year that we started to be more active in giving presentations and adovcating for Ubuntu and FOSS.
[21:57] <cprofitt> We are in the midst of planning participation in some events that will happen this summer and fall. We are also active in trying to get our local members more active on the international on-line level
[21:57] <cprofitt> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewYorkTeam/ApprovalApplication
[21:57] <cprofitt> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewYorkTeam
[21:57] <cprofitt> That is what I had prepared... I can answer questions now
[21:58] <cprofitt> http://main.newyork-ubuntu.com/Main/HomePage
[21:59] <juliux> do you some more information what you have done in the paste?
[21:59] <cprofitt> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewYorkTeam/Events/Past
[21:59] <cprofitt> that goes back to April of 2007
[22:00] <cprofitt> I joined the team last year around October so I can not speak to their past events on a personal basis
[22:00] <cprofitt> I do know that the team founders had real life pull them away after the team started...
[22:00] <cprofitt> and we have been rejuvenated since October
[22:01]  * johnc4510 notes that the NY team has taken off of late    way to go NY
[22:02]  * cprofitt smiles at johnc4510 
[22:02] <boredandblogging> oh wait
[22:02] <boredandblogging> pleia2 left some comments
[22:02] <boredandblogging> 20:08:37]       pleia2 | cool, they've been a vaguely active team these past few years, having meetings
[22:02] <boredandblogging> [20:09:01]       pleia2 | but over these past several months cprofitt has really taken control of things and started planning all kinds of events, conferences, more meetings,
[22:02] <boredandblogging>                           working with LUGs
[22:02] <boredandblogging> 20:09:11]       pleia2 | they're doing some amazing work :) and have a pile of events lined up
[22:02] <boredandblogging> [20:09:35]       pleia2 | I've sorta been their Mentor through the US Teams (they don't need me anymore!), so it's exciting
[22:03] <boredandblogging> thats its
[22:03] <johnc4510> agreed
[22:03] <boredandblogging> thats it
[22:03] <cprofitt> to be honest I really feel like this is just the tip of the ice berg for us...
[22:03] <popey> That's good to hear from pleia2
[22:04] <cprofitt> we no have comments in Ithaca (thanks to the conference we did - booth and presentation), Syracuse has woken up, and other areas of the state are starting to be more active...
[22:04] <boredandblogging> lots of things coming up
[22:04] <cprofitt> Yes.
[22:05] <cprofitt> I have not posted the fall stuff I have finished and we have several things in the works
[22:05] <cprofitt> We should be presenting at NYSCATE - which is a state wide K-12 conference
[22:05] <cprofitt> and we have presentation by several vendors coming in the fall
[22:06]  * cprofitt deejoe is a NY State person who just made it in time
[22:07] <cprofitt> thanks for coming deejoe-us-ny
[22:08] <deejoe-us-ny> have to head for home soon, but if there are any questions anyone has for me before I go I'd be happy to try to address them.
[22:08] <cprofitt> marnold, just told me in our channel we may be able to start up a local group at his college Morrisville
[22:08] <cprofitt> he has gotten some people there interested... go marnold
[22:09] <marnold> and in open source more generally
[22:09] <cprofitt> deejoe-us-ny, thanks for coming and showing NY State is strong in the power of FOSS
[22:11] <popey> Ok, time to vot?
[22:11] <popey> *vote
[22:11]  * cprofitt relaxes
[22:11] <cprofitt> I thought I got disconnected there for a minute
[22:12] <boredandblogging> think NY has some good events coming up...
[22:13] <juliux> i think the NY team is on a good way
[22:13] <juliux> but i would like to see some more documentation about the work;)
[22:14] <cprofitt> juliux, did you click on the links from the list I gave you?
[22:14] <juliux>  cprofitt yes
[22:14] <cprofitt> k...
[22:14] <juliux> i see there a lot of meetings
[22:14] <juliux> but no results
[22:14] <juliux> no minutes
[22:15] <deejoe-us-ny> hmm
[22:15] <juliux> popey: boredandblogging JanC ?
[22:15] <JanC> juliux: depends on which links you follow, I guess
[22:15] <deejoe-us-ny> I'm pretty sure there are pictures of events
[22:15] <cprofitt> They are events -- our meetings are online
[22:15] <cprofitt> http://main.newyork-ubuntu.com/Activities/MeetingsPage
[22:15] <cprofitt> those are our on-line meetings for official business
[22:16] <juliux> ah found the right link
[22:16] <cprofitt> and here
[22:16] <cprofitt> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewYorkTeam/Meetings/Past
[22:16] <deejoe-us-ny> juliux: consider for instance https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewYorkTeam/Events/20090205
[22:16] <deejoe-us-ny> which is a link straight off of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewYorkTeam/ApprovalApplication
[22:16] <juliux> sorry
[22:16] <deejoe-us-ny> :-)
[22:17] <cprofitt> no problem juliux
[22:17] <cprofitt> I could have done a better job at the layout
[22:18] <cprofitt> this is the event I am most proud of -- https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewYorkTeam/Events/20090326
[22:18] <boredandblogging> sorry
[22:18] <cprofitt> we worked with the Ithaca Free Software Association
[22:18] <cprofitt> and was in the Vendor pool with Microsoft and Apple...
[22:18]  * deejoe-us-ny wasn't able to go--it was a weekday workday
[22:18] <boredandblogging> NY, I think you can guys should come back in 3 months
[22:18] <cprofitt> our booth was packed... and my presentation had around 80-90 people init
[22:18] <boredandblogging> once you do all those events, it will be awesome!
[22:18] <deejoe-us-ny> boredandblogging: do you have some constructive comment for cprofitt?
[22:19] <cprofitt> boredandblogging, I would really like to know what is lacking...
[22:19] <boredandblogging> there are a lot of meetups, its hard to tell if they were more than simply socializing
[22:19] <cprofitt> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewYorkTeam/Events/20090326
[22:19] <cprofitt> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewYorkTeam/Events/20090305
[22:19] <cprofitt> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewYorkTeam/Events/20090221
[22:20] <cprofitt> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewYorkTeam/Events/20090217
[22:20] <deejoe-us-ny> I'm not a huge fan of this hoop jumping process, I think our local community can do fine without the support of Ubuntu.  I'm just wondering whether the LoCo wants to be a part of our local FOSS community or not.
[22:20] <deejoe-us-ny> If so, I think some support for ausimage and cprofitt's efforts would be in order.
[22:20] <cprofitt> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewYorkTeam/Events/20090108
[22:20] <deejoe-us-ny> If not, meh.
[22:20] <cprofitt> are those the events you are looking for boredandblogging
[22:21] <cprofitt> or is it something more?
[22:21] <JanC> I think you've done a lot of good things already this year
[22:21] <boredandblogging> cprofitt: yeah, thats the kind of stuff I"m looking for
[22:21] <cprofitt> thanks JanC
[22:21] <deejoe-us-ny> anyway, I've got to go home to my family.  I'll continue to idle and hope to see when I come back that the LoCo council has decided to back ausimage's persistence and cprofitt's energy.
[22:22] <cprofitt> boredandblogging, so how much more of that do we need to do before we are considered to have done enough for approval?
[22:22] <cprofitt> thanks deejoe-us-ny have a good night
[22:23] <boredandblogging> you guys have done a good job this year
[22:23] <JanC> cprofitt: are there any older events that you are proud of?  (I mean as a team)
[22:23] <cprofitt> JanC, to be honest... not that were well documented...
[22:23] <boredandblogging> just keep doing it for a bit longer
[22:23] <cprofitt> I was not active in the team before late October
[22:24] <JanC> cprofitt: that's why boredandblogging wants you to come back in some months
[22:25] <JanC> some locoteams are very active for a short time, and then slow down again
[22:25] <cprofitt> noted...
[22:25] <marnold> i know thats not us though
[22:25] <cprofitt> we will take your advice under consideration...
[22:26] <popey> is it time to vote?
[22:26] <JanC> that's what we hope (and I think pleia2 wouldn't have said what she said is she thought you would)
[22:26] <cprofitt> it should be simple as there is no issue with what we are doing, but a lack of trust that we will continue to do so.
[22:28] <cprofitt> I know some will be disappointed that we did not make it... but I will do what I can to keep morale high
[22:28] <boredandblogging> cprofitt: its not a lack of trust
[22:28] <boredandblogging> you are doing good work
[22:28] <boredandblogging> simply keep doing it
[22:28] <boredandblogging> popey is right, lets vote
[22:29] <marnold> boredandblogging, if i may ask one thing first
[22:29] <cprofitt> marnold, we just need to keep working... no need to ask the question
[22:29] <JanC> marnold: you can
[22:30] <marnold> if we are doing good work what is the issue with making us offical so we have more tools at our disposal to continue doing it
[22:30] <JanC> marnold: what tools do you lack?
[22:31] <cprofitt> JanC, marnold the only thing I know we get from approval is a different conference pack
[22:31] <cprofitt> which equates to little more than hats...
[22:31] <JanC> BTW: I'm pretty sure the team will get approved +4 some months from now if you keep on working like you do now...
[22:32] <JanC> cprofitt: there might be an early pack of CDs too (if Canonical will do it again for this release)
[22:33] <marnold> well hats are cool but i've worked with some people who are a bit skitish about coming to a meeting put on by in org thats not officially endorsed yet
[22:33] <nhandler> JanC: I don't think the pack of CDs came early. It was just a big box of different types of CDs for the LoCos to distribute
[22:34] <marnold> I've had that question via e-mail at least twice
[22:34] <JanC> nhandler: they are the first CDs sent (so they arrive first too ;-) )
[22:34] <boredandblogging> lets vote
[22:35] <JanC> marnold: look at the Malaysian team, they have been doing great stuff since 2005 and got officially approved today
[22:37] <JanC> marnold: what exactly were they skitish about?
[22:38] <cprofitt> marnold, or take a look at the Russian team too...
[22:38] <cprofitt> they got approved today as well...
[22:38] <boredandblogging> juliux: ?
[22:38] <boredandblogging> popey: ?
[22:38] <boredandblogging> JanC: ?
[22:38] <juliux> 0
[22:38] <popey> 0
[22:38] <cprofitt> we can look at what they have done and move forward
[22:38] <marnold> i fine with working harder
[22:38] <JanC> 0+
[22:38] <boredandblogging> cprofitt: seriously, you are doing good this year
[22:38] <boredandblogging> don't get discouraged
[22:38] <cprofitt> glad I survived the power surge I just had...
[22:38] <cprofitt> would have been bad to drop...
[22:38]  * cprofitt smiles
[22:39] <JanC> marnold: not working harder per sé, just keep working
[22:39] <cprofitt> I understand boredandblogging I just have to keep the morale high
[22:39] <johnc4510> cprofitt: haang in there you guys are doing great
[22:39] <marnold> and JanC i'm dealing with acidemics and city people here
[22:39] <boredandblogging> if you get any heat, just blame us :-)
[22:39] <cprofitt> good night guys...
[22:39] <juliux> gn8
[22:40] <cprofitt> I have to go make nice with the wife as all heck broke out with the kids during this...
[22:40] <boredandblogging> cprofitt: come back in a couple of months
[22:40] <cprofitt> we may wait until next January...
[22:40] <cprofitt> just to make sure boredandblogging
[22:40] <JanC> marnold: if there are any real problems, maybe we or jono or so can help reassure them...
[22:40] <cprofitt> I do not want NYS to have a third set back
[22:40] <ianto> Alright, is it time to discuss the mailing list proposals? :)
[22:40]  * cprofitt waves to all
[22:40] <cprofitt> good night guys
[22:40]  * ianto waves to cprofitt 
[22:40] <ApOgEE--> cprofitt, keep it up!
[22:40] <ianto> Good night
[22:41] <e-jat> btw ..
[22:42] <e-jat> who can the council recommend us to invite personel from canonical for our coming event ?
[22:42] <popey> ianto: you're after a mailing list for a new loco team right?
[22:42] <ianto> popey: That is correct
[22:43] <ApOgEE--> we have upcoming FOSS event in Malaysia... inviting everyone here
[22:43] <JanC> e-jat: I think you can ask Jono for help with that, or Canonical directly
[22:43] <popey> ianto: given the history of this and the fact that we discussed this at length in #ubuntu-cym, I'm uncomfortable approving this, because you didn't go through the process that we agreed
[22:43] <e-jat> JanC , ive email jono , mdz n dholbach ..
[22:44] <popey> ianto: I would like to abstain and defer this to Jono - I spoke to him earlier but unfortunately he was busy..
[22:44] <e-jat> they r not available on the that we propose ..
[22:44] <popey> ianto: I'd like to get approval first of all for there being an Ubuntu-CYM LoCo at all, before we approve the mailing list
[22:44] <ianto> popey: By defer, you mean to remove it from the council's agenda and give to Jono or just your own vote to Jono?
[22:44] <e-jat> we want to get someone from canonical the be a crowd puller .. its for asia regional
[22:44] <popey> ianto: I feel that you have gone round getting all the resources (website, irc channel [and now mailing list]) without ever having the approval for the team at all in the first place
[22:44] <nhandler> ianto: In the meantime, you can create a mailing list through LP
[22:45] <ianto> nhandler: I've tried through LP
[22:45] <popey> nhandler: no, thats not ideal
[22:45] <ianto> nhandler: They said no because it is Ubuntu project to get at lists.ubuntu.com
[22:45] <boredandblogging> main loco lists are not supposed to be on LP
[22:45] <ApOgEE--> gtg now... thanks guys
[22:45] <keffie_jayx> o/
[22:45] <ianto> popey: I've spoken to Jono and he said theat he won't deny the team but doesn't want to see a wasted effort
[22:45] <nhandler> boredandblogging: I was under the impression that LP was ok until the team was approved
[22:45] <ianto> and in my eyes and the eyes of the memebrs it isn't a wasted one as of yet
[22:46] <popey> thats the point
[22:46] <e-jat> boredandblogging: how about u? are u available / free after UDS ?
[22:46] <popey> "yet"
[22:46] <popey> 6 months of wasted effort later...?
[22:46] <boredandblogging> e-jat: I don't work for canonical
[22:46] <popey> I have not seen anything from jono that says yes to an ubuntu-cym loco team
[22:46] <JanC> ianto: why can't you work inside ubuntu-uk for now?
[22:46] <ianto> I'm not one to give up on things and I have a good support base  so far
[22:47] <popey> ianto: we agreed you'd do this through -uk
[22:47] <popey> yet you changed your mind without discussing it
[22:47] <e-jat> boredandblogging: u can be representative :)
[22:47] <popey> e-jat: we're having a meeting at the moment
[22:47] <e-jat> popey: owh sorry ..
[22:47] <ianto> popey: I have tried increasing more Welsh emails on -uk, it isn't going so well so far on there. There are just too many people on the list and a small minority being Welsh
[22:47] <ianto> It is an impersonal list
[22:48] <popey> its not a case of increasing more welsh mails
[22:48] <popey> it's a case of organising events, doing stuff
[22:48] <popey> not sending mails and counting how many replies there are
[22:48] <popey> which is what you've been doing so far
[22:48] <ianto> I've organised meetings to organise the party :-/
[22:48] <popey> great!
[22:48] <ianto> Isn't that what you said Ia m not doing?
[22:49] <popey> thats precisely what I said you should do..
[22:49] <ianto> Through the -uk list although most people came from lp ^
[22:49] <JanC> that's a start...
[22:49] <popey> ..but.. you're still going ahead with -cym in the background
[22:49] <popey> which is entirely _not_ what we agreed
[22:49] <popey> even though we agreed it should go through -uk
[22:50] <dariusH> i thought we agreed to go ahead with -cym, using the -uk resources (mailing list etc)
[22:50] <popey> so why request a cym list then?
[22:50] <ianto> To make the process easier for the Welsh team I'd have thought
[22:51] <popey> thats my point
[22:51] <popey> the welsh team consists of two guys at the moment
[22:51] <popey> you two
[22:51] <ianto> Not to me
[22:51] <popey> who turned up to the meeting you had last saturday?
[22:51] <popey> you two
[22:51] <ianto> popey: However the channel was full 30mins later
[22:52] <ianto> People who had apologised for losing track of time
[22:52] <popey> by full you mean two more people
[22:52] <popey> anyway, my original point still stands
[22:52] <Ahmuck> how many people are required for a loco ?
[22:52] <popey> I'd like to see confirmation from Jono and/or the cc that ubuntu-cym team should exist
[22:52] <popey> Ahmuck: there is already a loco
[22:53] <Ahmuck> different country
[22:53] <popey> lets not get into the geopolitics
[22:53] <popey> fact is that UK covers Wales
[22:53] <Ahmuck> i'm usa.  my questions is out of context
[22:53] <dariusH> i think the team still needs to develop, and that a mailing list isn't necessary yet.
[22:54] <ianto> I thikn that communicaiton is key to development
[22:54] <popey> I'd recommend that we pass this up to jono. I'm not happy approving a list for a team that I personally believe right now has been formed in bad faith.
[22:54] <popey> Well, Jono or the CC, it's your choice.
[22:54] <juliux> popey: i think we better pass it to the cc, i think it is a general thing
[22:54] <popey> Agreed
[22:54] <popey> If they say "Go go Ubuntu-Cym" then I'll be happy to stand by that.
[22:54] <juliux> popey: and if it goes to the cc it will cover more people
[22:55] <juliux> popey: will you send a mail to the cc?
[22:55] <popey> Sure.
[22:55] <ianto> Can you cc the CC mail to myself?
[22:55] <JanC> I'd prefer if ianto & his friend would just start organising things (and make a Welsh site for Ubuntu) and then come back
[22:56] <ianto> JanC: In the process of acquiring ubuntu-cym.org
[22:56] <ianto> And the wiki is written
[22:56] <popey> We did ask for a welsh translation of ubuntu-uk.org
[22:56] <JanC> ianto: you can't "aquire" it
[22:57] <dariusH> JanC: we are organising a release party, and i would like to organise group events such as presentations once we build the group and people will turn up.
[22:57] <ianto> JanC: To have the DNS key then
[22:57] <popey> ok, so ianto are you happy for me to mail the Community Council, and cc the loco council, and you on this matter?
[22:57] <ianto> popey: Yes if you see it fit
[22:58] <popey> boredandblogging / juliux / JanC / keffie_jayx ?
[22:58] <ianto> We have already done stuff such as emailing the SW Police  about the benefits of Ubuntu when the French police turned  to it and saved 50M
[22:58] <juliux> popey: agreed
[22:59] <JanC> ianto: you can use the ubuntu wiki for now, you know
[22:59] <popey> and the uk mailing list
[22:59] <keffie_jayx> popey, I agree as well.
[22:59] <ianto> JanC: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WelshTeam ;)
[22:59] <boredandblogging> popey: yup
[23:03] <boredandblogging> ok, thats its for today
[23:03] <boredandblogging> thank you everyone!
[23:03] <aim1159> boredandblogging: thank you!
[23:04] <kwah> good job
[23:04] <kwah> thanks all
[23:34] <hal14450> boredandblogging, thanks for the words of encouragement about the NY team we'll keep plugging away at things here ;-)
[23:36] <popey> awesome!
[23:44] <Ahmuck> what is the minimum requirement for a loco as in people?
[23:45] <hal14450> 2 is a community at the very least right?
[23:45] <Ahmuck> i ask because we have a lug of 9 who are all using ubuntu and we cover a 9 county area
[23:45] <cprofitt> Ahmuck, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamKnowledgeBase
[23:46] <cprofitt> that is there wiki on it...
[23:46] <cprofitt> what country?
[23:46] <pleia2> Ahmuck: county? is this in the US?
[23:46] <Ahmuck> yes, in the US.  were a regional LUG and i promote ubuntu throughout my business and through the LUG
[23:47] <pleia2> Ahmuck: what state?
[23:47] <pleia2> in the US, teams are organized on the state level, so there might already be a team you can be part of :)
[23:48] <nhandler> Could you please move this conversation to #ubuntu-locoteams? The LoCo meeting is over.
[23:49] <Ahmuck> there is. but as far as i know it's inactive
[23:49] <Ahmuck> nhandler: yes
[23:49] <pleia2> Ahmuck: move this to #ubuntu-us or #ubuntu-locoteams?
[23:49] <pleia2> thanks