=== Andre_Gondim is now known as Andre_Gondim-afk === Andre_Gondim-afk is now known as Andre_Gondim === Andre_Gondim is now known as Andre_Gondim-afk [06:26] good morning === Gunblade_ is now known as GunbladeIV === thekorn_ is now known as thekorn === asac_ is now known as asac === thekorn_ is now known as thekorn === thekorn_ is now known as thekorn === Gunblade_ is now known as Gunblade- === Gunblade- is now known as GunbladeIV [15:56] heylo [15:56] hi [15:56] yo to all :) [16:00] * mathiaz waves [16:00] o/ [16:00] Let's get the Ubuntu Server team started [16:00] #startmeeting [16:00] Meeting started at 10:00. The chair is mathiaz. [16:00] Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] [16:00] Today's agenda:https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Meeting [16:01] Last week agenda: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/Server/20090324 [16:01] [TOPIC] KVM backport in hardy [16:01] New Topic: KVM backport in hardy [16:02] kirkland: ^^ how is this going? [16:04] allright - kirkland doesn't seem to be around - let's postpone this topic [16:04] [TOPIC] Server Guide [16:04] New Topic: Server Guide [16:04] sommer: how is this coming along? [16:04] mathiaz: should be good to go for jaunty [16:05] sommer: did you get any feedback on the new and updated sections? [16:05] received some great feed back from translators and some upstream projects [16:05] mathiaz: yep, the eucalyptus team were great with feedback :) [16:07] sommer: awesome. [16:07] mathiaz: not sure there's much more news, some of the new sections were reviewed, but some weren't... but they can always be updated in the next release [16:07] anything else to report on the documentation front? [16:08] mathiaz: don't think so [16:08] ok. [16:08] sommer: thanks for keeping on a eye on the Server Guide ! [16:08] mathiaz: welcome :-) [16:08] That's all I had from last week minutes. [16:09] [TOPIC] NUMA support for 64bit -server kernel [16:09] New Topic: NUMA support for 64bit -server kernel [16:09] cooloney: ^^? [16:09] yeah, mathiaz [16:09] i am bryan from kernel team [16:09] we got a request from mdz for such numa things [16:09] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/331308 [16:09] Ubuntu bug 331308 in linux "NUMA support not enabled in amd64/config.server " [Medium,In progress] [16:09] how do you guys think [16:09] right [16:10] any known sideffects? [16:11] for kernel, it will change the abi [16:11] i dont have a problem with it [16:11] and enable some options for NUMA config [16:11] cooloney: just for amd64 or i386 too? [16:11] According to the bug report: Even if it has some overhead on non-NUMA machines, [16:11] is that ok for jaunty? [16:12] ivoks, i think only for amd64 [16:12] not i386 [16:12] Has this been measured? [16:12] cooloney: I'm not sure if we can still enable this in jaunty [16:12] mathiaz, oh, no, i have no idea about the overhead [16:13] cooloney: It seems that it's a new feature in the kernel [16:13] mathiaz, i understand, so we plan to discuss this things in our kernel sprint meeting this week [16:13] mathiaz, right, so it should be for karmic [16:14] cooloney: ok - I don't have an issue with enable NUMA per se. [16:14] ok, guys, i guess you guys are agree to enable it for karmic [16:14] cooloney: It's just that it seems a bit late in the release cycle to enable such a new thing. [16:14] cooloney: for karmic, yes. [16:14] thanks, i will talk to our kernel members about this and try to enable it. [16:14] cooloney: now it's up to you discuss it for jaunty. [16:15] cooloney: IMO it's too late. [16:15] mathiaz, yeah, i agreee [16:15] i found a PDF with some overhead charts [16:15] but it's from 2001 :/ [16:16] ivoks, do you have the URL of the PDF? [16:16] cooloney: http://jp.fujitsu.com/group/labs/downloads/techinfo/technote/linux/optimizing-numa.pdf [16:16] cooloney: but i woulnd't take it into account [16:16] it's really old [16:16] mathiaz, so i agree we are not going to enable NUMA for Jaunty but for karmic [16:17] ivoks, thx, got it [16:17] great. [16:17] cooloney: thanks for bringing up this topic. [16:17] cooloney: anything else to add? [16:17] mathiaz, one more thing [16:18] how do you guys think to enable PAE for i386 flavour [16:18] maybe it is not very interesting for server folks, -:)) [16:18] suse already does that but it still might be late for jaunty [16:18] weren't there some ideas in mountain view about merging server and generic? [16:19] we plan to introduce i386-pae flavour for karmic [16:19] (iirc, most of the server related stuff can be done with sysctl) [16:19] right - IIRC PAE for i386 was discussed during last UDS with the kernel team [16:20] mathiaz, ok, no problem. [16:20] please go on the meeting. [16:20] great. Thanks [16:20] we can discuss that in our team sprint, [16:20] let's move on [16:20] [TOPIC] Ubuntu on EC2 [16:20] New Topic: Ubuntu on EC2 [16:20] zul: ^^ [16:21] hi [16:21] zul: how is the state of the intrepid images? [16:21] they are going well no major problems being reported [16:21] ec2-api-tools were renelty packaved for jaunty and are available now [16:21] is there another beta planned? [16:21] there is [16:22] im not sure when though, it should be announced soon [16:22] by that time we should have some hardy images available for public use [16:22] jaunty is still being worked on [16:22] zul: great. So the next set of images will be beta images for hardy? [16:23] hardy and intrepid === Broken|Arrow__ is now known as Broken|Arrow [16:23] zul: great. And later on there will be images based on jaunty too. [16:23] zul: ? [16:23] thats the plan there is more of a demand from our users for hardy before jaunty [16:24] zul: agreed. [16:24] zul: what will be the kernel base for hardy? [16:24] 2.6.24 [16:24] 2.6.28 for jaunty [16:25] i think thats it from me [16:25] zul: great. [16:25] zul: where all the new beta images will be announced? [16:25] zul: on the ec2-beta mailing list/ [16:25] zul: ? [16:25] correct [16:26] zul: great. Thanks for giving an update. [16:26] [TOPIC] Bugs from beta [16:26] New Topic: Bugs from beta [16:27] so as you may have noticed we've released a beta version of Jaunty last Thursday [16:27] and we've seen an increase in the number of bugs filed [16:27] so any help in triagging them is welcomed [16:28] so that we can have a good view on what's going wrong in Jaunty [16:28] and help make a rock-solid release by the end of April. [16:30] How can we help triage the bugs ? [16:31] reproducing them would be a good step [16:31] http://ubuntuservernewbugs.notlong.com/ [16:31] LINK received: http://ubuntuservernewbugs.notlong.com/ [16:32] ^^ here is a link to the list of NEW bugs related to the ubuntu-server team [16:33] if I reproduce them, I put a new comment or can I change the status to 'confirmed' ? [16:34] jdbrowne: if you can reproduce them, you can move them to the confirmed state [16:34] ok, feel free to bump to the right doc [16:34] to bump me [16:34] jdbrowne: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/KnowledgeBase#Bug%20Triager%20resources [16:35] jdbrowne: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/GettingInvolved#Triage%20bugs%20and%20become%20a%20Triager [16:36] Any help in triagging the influx of bug for beta is welcome! [16:36] let's move on. [16:36] [TOPIC] Open Discussion [16:36] New Topic: Open Discussion [16:36] Anyone wants to add anything? [16:36] me [16:36] ivoks: what's on your mind? [16:37] Extend: sure [16:37] it's not about the meeting's topic [16:37] mathiaz: check out bacula and rhcs [16:37] i want to talk control of my loco team cause they are lazy [16:37] see if there are bugs and triage them [16:37] and i've done great things in my country [16:38] Extend: this is not the right moment to ask about that - and not the right people [16:38] Extend: wrong meeting [16:38] i know [16:38] it is a wrong meeting [16:38] no upcoming scheduled meeting for this topic [16:38] who is in favour of droping rhcs for next ubuntu releases and going with linuxHA instead? [16:38] but i want someone to tell me what to do [16:39] ivoks: mememememememememe!!! [16:39] * zul raises his hand [16:39] * zul raises his hand [16:39] heh [16:39] zul: me too :) [16:39] Extend: join #ubuntu-locoteams [16:40] Extend: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoFAQ?highlight=%28CategoryLoCoTeams%29#The%20LoCo%20team%20in%20my%20area%20is%20not%20very%20good,%20can%20I%20replace%20it? [16:40] nealmcb, thanks a lot [16:40] Extend: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoFAQ [16:40] mathiaz, thanks :d i don't know what to say really [16:40] what is wrong with rhcs? [16:40] Extend: ^^ that page should give you pointers to move forward [16:41] ivoks: what's the issue with bacula? [16:41] ivoks: it needs more testing/fixing in jaunty? [16:41] thanks all [16:41] mathiaz: i guess not, but i have to check if there are bugs for jaunty [16:41] ivoks: same question for rhcs [16:41] mathiaz: i was thinking at loud [16:42] there's nothing more we could do for jaunty, except bugs triaging [16:42] ivoks: ok. So more testing and bug handling is required for bacula [16:42] mathiaz: well, the usual care and testing [16:43] ivoks: ok. [16:43] ivoks: what about rhcs? [16:44] mathiaz: well, i would like to see jaunty being last version that supports rhcs [16:44] ivoks: IIRC rhcs and linux-ha are not totally feature compatible [16:44] mathiaz: fabionne was maintainer of rhcs in ubuntu and now we have quite old rhcs [16:44] mathiaz: no one else wants to take it and not that many people use it [16:44] ivoks: is there an equivalent to gvfs in linux-ha? [16:44] gfs [16:45] ivoks: fabionne gave up rhcs in ubuntu? [16:45] ivoks: IIUC he was still maintaining it [16:45] ivoks: I've seen a couple of upload to jaunty [16:45] mathiaz: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCouncilAgenda points here as todays LoCo meeting. Is it mistake? [16:46] mathiaz: there was his post on ubuntu-devel about rhcs [16:46] mathiaz: let me find it [16:46] Agafonov: sure - at 20:00 UTC [16:47] mathiaz: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2009-February/027583.html [16:47] ivoks: right. [16:48] ivoks: we should probably discuss that during the next UDS [16:48] of course... [16:48] ivoks: and see what we should do about it. [16:48] ivoks: I thought there was some demand for rhcs [16:48] i don't know if anyone is that familliar with it as fabio [16:49] ivoks: ok - from a maintainance point of view. [16:49] ivoks: and so the proposal would be to replace it with linux-ha? [16:49] mathiaz: i use it on couple of projects... does anyone else here uses it? [16:49] it would be great if canonical would give some info about their customer requests for rhcs [16:50] * sommer has been considering it, but hasn't really gone in depth [16:50] ivoks: I don't know. I can ask the Canonical support guys about it. [16:50] mathiaz: please do [16:50] that's for karmic, of course... [16:50] ivoks: sure :) [16:50] in jaunty, i'll make sure everything is working as it should [16:51] anything else to discuss? [16:51] i didn't test it, so it might be ok already :) [16:51] ivoks: thanks for giving some love to bacula and rhcs [16:51] anything else to discuss? [16:51] is it the right time and people to discuss glitches in the kvm/libvirt jaunty setup, or should I file the bugs first? [16:52] jdbrowne: filing bugs is the best way to proceed [16:52] ok [16:52] jdbrowne: and then you can also see #ubuntu-virt [16:53] nealmcb: done, i will file the bugs with all the steps to reproduce [16:54] jdbrowne: great thanks. [16:54] jdbrowne: good! [16:54] let's move on [16:54] no pb. This is my own intrest :) will Nijaba be in solutions linux tomorrow also? [16:54] time to wrap up [16:54] jdbrowne: yes - he already is there [16:54] [TOPIC] Agree on next meeting date and time [16:54] New Topic: Agree on next meeting date and time [16:54] same place, same time, next week? [16:55] sure [16:56] yes [16:56] bye :) [16:56] great - so see you all next week, same place, same time [16:56] and don't forget to testdrive Jaunty Beta! [16:56] #endmeeting [16:57] Meeting finished at 10:57. [16:57] thanks mathiaz, later on all === fader_ is now known as fader|lunch === tuxlinux_ is now known as tuxlinux [17:51] hi all === mathiaz_ is now known as mathiaz === fader|lunch is now known as fader_ === Igorot is now known as Knightlust [18:48] и тишина... [18:49] :-D [18:54] В черном-черном городе, на черной-черной улице, в черном-черном доме, в черно-черной квартире сидит черный-черный мужик и говорит: [18:54] - Никогда больше не буду сам заправлять картриджи! [18:55] Villain: please, stop === RachedTN is now known as RachedTN-away === Zic is now known as Guest12602 [19:32] I have verry low sound volume. Where iis the advanced volum controller in ubuntu? :P [19:32] paalny92: it's not a support channel. please ask on #ubuntu [19:32] paalny92: The correct channel for that is #ubuntu however right click the speak in the top right corner [19:32] s/speak/speaker [19:32] And work it out or ask in #ubuntu === RachedTN-away is now known as RachedTN === mc44_ is now known as mc44 === Gunblade__ is now known as GunbladeIV [20:51] hi [20:52] hi [20:52] hi [20:52] hi [20:52] :) [20:52] hi [20:52] damn! [20:53] i'm late))) [20:53] greetings all [20:53] hi [20:54] Greene: [20:54] Garfeild: [21:00] hi [21:00] the lococouncil is online but busy with an other issue [21:00] we will be here in a few minutes [21:02] ok [21:02] * cprofitt waves [21:02] NY State is here [21:03] Good to hear ;) [21:03] cool [21:03] cprofitt: The council will take a few minutes, there was just an announcement [21:03] thanks ianto - one team dropped so perhaps we will make it to us [21:03] np [21:03] russian team also here? [21:03] yep [21:04] * kwah o/ [21:04] juliux: it's me, aim1159, Greene, kwah, Agafonov [21:04] MalaysianTeam is here [21:04] also ubuntar1, Villain [21:04] and skyrider ) [21:04] Garfeild, and skyrider :D [21:04] Ubuntu Cymru (WelshTeam) from me [21:04] but the main contact will be here soon (on the way back) [21:05] cool [21:05] juliux: and Malamut [21:05] (^_^) [21:05] juliux: and Malamut [21:06] and Alsvartr... [21:06] yep, half of the list almost. [21:06] ) [21:07] lets get started [21:07] Russian LoCo? [21:07] here [21:07] privet ;) [21:08] ^_^ [21:08] juliux, cool :D [21:08] some russian knowledge from school is left;) [21:09] can you introduce your team short? [21:09] Russian Team is the number of enthusiasts [21:10] working mostly on the support of Russian speaking users [21:10] and managing relevant resources aimed to provide this support [21:10] We see our team as not really Local Team [21:11] but a meta Team of Russian speaking people [21:11] coordinating work related to Ubuntu and spreading knowledge about it [21:12] Currently we are in a period of reorganization [21:12] and in the process of clearly stating our goals in the areas mentioned in our approval application [21:13] Currently, the core of the team consists of about 20-30 active individuals passionate about what they are doing [21:13] What else would you like to know? [21:14] kwah: thanks [21:14] before the reorganization, how was the LoCo set up? [21:15] Mostly there were people managing activities on the support forum, irc-channel [21:15] do you had some real life events? [21:15] and what do you think about ubuntu-eu and is there an involement from your team [21:15] plus big effort was put into the translation of the distribution [21:16] real life events: outings and parties coordinated mopstly via forum [21:16] ubuntu-eu: we have a contact with the team via our administrator [21:16] the forums seem very active [21:17] do you do anything like installparties ? [21:17] yes it is very active, indeed [21:17] I am aware of such activities in the St-Petersburg LUG [21:18] representative of which is also here [21:19] JanC: some of the memebers of our team do some install and release party activities in their local cities [21:19] for example aceler do such parties in nizhniy novgorod [21:19] i do such install and release parties on, nearly every release in saint petersburg [21:20] yeah, I can imagine you need local organisations / groups for that, Russia is rather big... [21:20] but there is no such events wich is lables as 'russian loco team event' since there were no real loco in russia untill now [21:20] JanC, indeed [21:20] aim1159, +1 [21:20] so the next step, after formal russian loco organisatin is creating a sub-teams on each city wich have active members of ubuntu community [21:21] you can keep working together with the local LUGs I guess... [21:21] JanC, yes we will do that [21:23] One of the most active parts of our forum, in fact, is where people look for each other for meetings and exchange of disks [21:24] looks like you guys have done great work online, but I'm wondering about real life [21:24] Spreading Ubuntu install disks etc [21:25] boredandblogging, yep, we need more work on that, especially to make it more visible [21:25] from Internet [21:25] ;) [21:26] are there shops in Russia that sell PCs with Ubuntu? [21:26] yes, several [21:27] but i didn't see them) [21:28] JanC, In fact currently FOSS getting some momentum in Russia [21:28] Since the rules are becoming tighter and [21:28] bug#1 operating system becomes not really free (as in beer) [21:29] you mean copyright law is enforced now? ;-) [21:29] yep [21:29] but not only copyright law [21:29] consumer rights as well [21:31] recently, FAS (anti-monopoly regulators) also stepped in with some questions to current practices [21:31] about selling OS bundled to hardware [21:32] ah, interresting [21:33] and, of course, number of projects currently going on with FOSS in schools and government institutions [21:33] although, Ubuntu is not represented there, AFAIK [21:33] kwah: did you try to get schools involved? [21:34] you = the locoteam [21:34] yep, there are some efforts [21:35] but it is very difficult... since computer and Win is a kinda the same thing for teachers [21:35] Thats why I think our documentation and translation efforts are very important [21:36] of course, awareness about the existence of the Ubuntu is another vector of our attention [21:37] JanC: most of the work with schools are faced with bureaucracy barrier [21:37] lets vote [21:37] * kwah kinda scared [21:37] +1 please do some real life events in the future, specifically for 9.04 [21:38] we will [21:38] +1 but do some more live events, or document them better (they aren't in the approval-page at all now) [21:38] +1 [21:39] +1 but focus on some reallife activites;) [21:39] ;) [21:39] if you need help ask at the loco-contact list [21:39] of course [21:39] I think some of them already have experience, they can help others [21:40] congrats Russian Team [21:40] w00t for the Russian Team [21:40] congrats Russia [21:40] Thanks all [21:40] Congratulations [21:40] w00t [21:40] * aim1159 goes to LOR ;-) [21:40] congratez Russian Team [21:40] congratulations to Russian Team [21:40] congrats Ubuntu-ru ! [21:40] Malaysia? [21:40] congrate russian team [21:40] aim1159, wrong, go to ubuntu.ru :D [21:41] yep [21:41] hi, we r the MalaysianTeam [21:41] <[Green]> :) [21:41] our members currently online: e-jat, GunbladeIV & ApOgEE-- [21:41] Thank you! [21:41] hi [21:41] hi all .. [21:41] * cprofitt three cheers for ApOgEE-- [21:41] hello juliux , boredandblogging , popey , and JanC [21:42] * nbliang it's now 4+ in the early morning [21:42] * ApOgEE-- thanks cprofitt [21:42] :p [21:42] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MalaysianTeam/ApprovalApplication [21:42] can we proceed? [21:42] yes pls;) [21:42] yes, tell a bit about your team ;) [21:43] started in july 2005 [21:43] we provide free community support to users of any of the official Ubuntu flavours (ie. Kubuntu, Xubuntu) as well as advocating the use of Ubuntu to individuals and organisations a like [21:43] goals: [21:43] to spread the Ubuntu's spirit to anybody atht is staying in Malaysia [21:43] be the central point for all Ubuntu users to discuss, get together and meet up [21:43] that* [21:43] to give the local support, provide supplies and information to users in Malaysia [21:43] to organise events and to represent Ubuntu in local conferences / activities in Malaysia [21:43] to involve in Ubuntu projects such as packaging, localisation and documentation [21:43] strengthen Ubuntu brand in Malaysia in businesses, educations and government [21:44] team wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MalaysianTeam [21:44] 164 members registered [21:45] anything else needed? [21:45] locoteam also involve with the adoption of FOSS in government agencies [21:45] some of the goverment agencies r using ubuntu [21:45] such as ministry of education (MOE), matriculations, government schools, etc [21:46] other main contribution is translation [21:46] through launchpad [21:46] we have active members in irc #ubuntu-my @ irc.freenode.net [21:46]