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| xrothgarx | I just installed jaunty-mid-lpia.img on my HP tc1100 tablet this weekend. Just wanted to stop by and say great job so far | 05:13 |
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| xrothgarx | looking good so far. and wanted to ask if I am using the correct version. I know there is a umpc version too but it looks like mid is ment for touchscreens only (which I use my tablet without a keyboard) | 05:14 |
| xrothgarx | anyone have any suggestions either way? I am still working on getting the touchscreen to actually work (need to add wacom-tools to xorg I think) | 05:15 |
| xrothgarx | also cuious about the moblin project and how that might differ from ubuntu mid. Thanks for any answers you can provide. | 05:16 |
| untoldone | is there a more appropriate location for discussion of the 9.04 mid image? if not, has anyone had an issue with the image getting stuck with the gnome splash screen displayed? | 06:17 |
| lool | untoldone: The GNOME splash screen?? You mean the boot splash or the gnome-session splash? | 08:18 |
| untoldone | lool: yes, gnome-session-splash ... couldn't repro after a reboot though | 08:19 |
| untoldone | that was off of the beta usb image | 08:20 |
| lool | untoldone: It's surprizing, this splash is disabled by default in Ubuntu | 08:20 |
| untoldone | not sure -- i haven't seen it before then on 8.10 or since -- but it was definitely there | 08:21 |
| untoldone | its possible i was actually seeing my copy of 8.10 mid if the system didn't boot off of the usb drive ... but even in that case, it was still a relatively untouched copy of ubuntu mid | 08:22 |
| untoldone | just installed the egalax touchscreen driver ... but beyond that, it was the base image | 08:22 |
| lool | No idea | 08:45 |
| === asac_ is now known as asac | ||
| asac | lool: how sad would you guys be when mobile-basic-flash cannot fulfill depends anymore? | 12:35 |
| === mcasadevall is now known as NCommander | ||
| lool | asac: I think we replaced it entirely with kourou | 12:54 |
| lool | asac: We should probably just drop it (tm) | 12:54 |
| asac | lool: great. looking at rdepends still left for xulrunner 1.8 ;) | 13:25 |
| rothgar | lool I had the same problem when I tried booting with the OEM options on | 14:48 |
| rothgar | I never got past the gnome splash screen. I reinstalled without the OEM options and it worked for me | 14:49 |
| lool | Interesting | 14:49 |
| lool | plars: ^ Do you think you could try reproducing? | 14:50 |
| lool | Presumably we don't start oem-config properly or something | 14:50 |
| plars | rothgar: was that with mid or unr? and which build? | 16:26 |
| plars | sorry, just got back from an appointment | 16:27 |
| rothgar | mid, the img I have is jaunty-mid-lpia (not sure on the build) | 16:31 |
| rothgar | I downloaded it this weekend though | 16:31 |
| plars | rothgar: I tested the build from yesterday and didn't see that problem, unfortunately I don't have an actual MID to test it on, I can only test under kvm | 16:33 |
| plars | rothgar: GrueMaster had some problems but it doesn't sound quite the same as yours, he was getting into the install and it was hanging at 95% | 16:33 |
| rothgar | I actually am not running on a MID (it is a tablet computer) but I could try doing a re-install | 16:40 |
| rothgar | plars: what software is the home/menu system using? I am looking to add/edit some of it to add/remove icons to certain groups | 16:48 |
| plars | rothgar: hildon-desktop | 16:55 |
| asac | lool: whats the support status of mobile in gutsy? | 17:04 |
| lool | asac: Sorry what do you mean? | 17:05 |
| asac | lool: not sure. wonder if gutsy was a fully supported MID release or not | 17:06 |
| asac | mobile-basic-flash is in there ;) | 17:06 |
| lool | I don't think anybody cares about mobile gutsy anymore; we focus on hardy mostly | 17:08 |
| lool | for support | 17:08 |
| sabdfl | hi folks | 18:13 |
| sabdfl | i noticed the image currently has the notification-daemon rather than notify-osd | 18:13 |
| sabdfl | is that a conscious decision? | 18:13 |
| lool | sabdfl: the UNR one? | 18:18 |
| sabdfl | yup | 18:18 |
| lool | sabdfl: It conflicts with UNR using clutter | 18:18 |
| sabdfl | oh bugger | 18:18 |
| sabdfl | what a pity | 18:18 |
| lool | sabdfl: We'll need DRI2, next cycle | 18:18 |
| sabdfl | but i understand | 18:18 |
| ogra | sabdfl, it could work if notify-osd would get a switch that enforces the mode used in metacity | 18:33 |
| ogra | so it would run in non composite mode | 18:33 |
| ogra | sabdfl, preferably a gconf key that could get set in ubuntu-netbook-remix-default-settings | 18:38 |
| sabdfl | ogra: if I can get that added, is there time to swap it in? | 19:22 |
| ogra | sabdfl, its a one line change in ubuntu-netbook-remix-default-settings to add a boolean key, so i guess yes | 19:23 |
| sabdfl | ok, i'll ask on #dx. did you discuss this with macslow already? | 19:23 |
| ogra | and indeed it needs to replace notification-daemon in the seed/metapackage | 19:23 |
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| ogra | no, i'm way to focused on ARM ... i didnt do much in the desktop area this release, feel free to point him at me if he needs help though | 19:24 |
| ogra | i just mentioned it to you because it seems like an obvious fix ;) | 19:25 |
| ogra | (help as in -> uploader) | 19:29 |
| davidbarth | ogra, lool: unr and notify-osd? | 19:58 |
| ogra | davidbarth, yes ? | 19:58 |
| davidbarth | ogra: sabdfl mentioned that you were discussing integrating n-osd in unr, or not | 19:58 |
| davidbarth | ogra: because of the gl / compositing issue | 19:59 |
| ogra | davidbarth, UNR launcher uses clutter ... clutter breaks with other composite mechanisms like i.e. compiz or the way notify-osd works | 19:59 |
| davidbarth | ogra: n-osd uses compositing when present, or has a fallback code to make notifications look "almost" as good without compositing | 19:59 |
| ogra | but notify-osd can work fine in non-composite environments if it detects that no composite is available | 19:59 |
| davidbarth | ogra: indeed | 19:59 |
| ogra | so my idea was that you could add a gconf switch to enforce non composite mode | 20:00 |
| ogra | then you could use it in UNR | 20:00 |
| ogra | in plain mode | 20:00 |
| ogra | and we could get rid of notification-daemon in UNR ;) | 20:00 |
| davidbarth | ogra: currently n-osd detects that at run-time; what would the gconf key add? | 20:01 |
| ogra | it would skip the detection and enforce non-composite | 20:01 |
| davidbarth | ogra: to prevent n-osd from using compositing anyway, just because someone may want to run in trouble by running unr-launcher & compositing? | 20:01 |
| ogra | UNR usually has composite, but thats occupied by clutter | 20:01 |
| ogra | right | 20:02 |
| ogra | UNR has a ubuntu-netbook-remix-default-settings package | 20:02 |
| davidbarth | ogra: really? compositing turned on for unr? | 20:02 |
| ogra | that sets some gconf keys | 20:02 |
| davidbarth | ogra: ah, but without a compositing wm, right? | 20:02 |
| ogra | yep | 20:02 |
| ogra | and the launcher is hogging the resource | 20:02 |
| davidbarth | ogra: got it now; the gconf key is quite an easy fix | 20:03 |
| ogra | in the ubuntu-netbook-remix-default-settings package we could set the gconf key | 20:03 |
| asac | maybe UNR sets a special DESKTOP_SESSION env ? | 20:03 |
| ogra | just make it a boolean setting true/false, then its a one line change in ubuntu-netbook-remix-default-settings | 20:03 |
| davidbarth | ogra: let me check | 20:04 |
| ogra | asac, that would be a question for StevenK ... it could also get a check if the UNR launcher is running ... but that seems more complicated than just adding a gconf key | 20:05 |
| asac | hmm.isnt the UNR launcher also in the repository? e.g. can users just install it? | 20:05 |
| davidbarth | ogra: that's indeed an easy fix | 20:05 |
| asac | if so i would think having a solution that works for that case would be better | 20:05 |
| ogra | asac, indeed but we're past beta and the fix would be bigger | 20:06 |
| ogra | UNR launcher could set the gconf key :) | 20:06 |
| asac | ogra: what would be the real fix? | 20:06 |
| asac | ogra: yeah ... UNR running ;) | 20:06 |
| ogra | the real fix would be to make clutter work with other composite implementation ;) | 20:06 |
| asac | well. | 20:07 |
| ogra | +s | 20:07 |
| asac | you know that thats not what i asked for ;) | 20:07 |
| ogra | its annoying that the launcher doesnt work with compiz | 20:07 |
| ogra | users installing it from the archive run into that prob anyway | 20:07 |
| davidbarth | ogra: i'd prefer a env. variable however, because there is no gconf infrastructure in this part of the code; plus there is some assumption with gconf that we would monitor the key, etc. | 20:07 |
| ogra | davidbarth, well, then we need to talk to StevenK what he can do ... | 20:08 |
| davidbarth | ogra: it's more a "hack" than a real configuration key; it's to workaround a bug | 20:08 |
| asac | yeah. env sounds better. using a special DESKTOP_SESSION env maybe | 20:08 |
| ogra | he maintains UNR ... i dont want to poke in his stuff without knowing what i do | 20:08 |
| asac | ogra: dont you have UNR running? | 20:08 |
| ogra | asac, i have a ton of ARM HW around me nothing here has more than frambuffer support :) | 20:09 |
| davidbarth | asac: or NOTIFY_OSD_MUST_NOT_USE_COMPOSITING | 20:09 |
| davidbarth | asac: a big nasty name, to make sure we don't keep it ;) | 20:09 |
| asac | yeah. i would think that DESKTOP_SESSION is different anyway. so we could just reuse that | 20:10 |
| ogra | asac, dont *you* have a UNR around ? :) | 20:10 |
| asac | ogra: its busted ;) | 20:10 |
| ogra | heh | 20:11 |
| ogra | lool, ^^^ | 20:11 |
| ogra | lool, do you know the value for DESKTOP_SESSION on UNR ? | 20:11 |
| asac | i wanted to help mvo but somehow my install didnt survive the reboot ;) | 20:11 |
| ogra | there must be someone in this channel running UNR | 20:12 |
| ogra | who can quickly type: env |grep ^DESKTOP | 20:13 |
| asac | so seems the env variables became less meaningless ;) | 20:13 |
| asac | seems they are just GNOME_DESKTOP_SESSION_ID=this-is-deprecated | 20:13 |
| asac | and | 20:13 |
| asac | DESKTOP_SESSION=whateveryoursessionname is | 20:13 |
| asac | e.g. for fta on UNR it is "DESKTOP_SESSION=default" | 20:14 |
| asac | fta: do you run the UNR launcher or plain gnome? | 20:14 |
| ogra | thats the one we use on the normal gnome desktop as well | 20:14 |
| fta | asac, UNR launcher | 20:14 |
| asac | bad luck ;) | 20:14 |
| * ogra suspects DESKTOP_SESSION comes from Xsession | 20:15 | |
| asac | http://paste.ubuntu.com/141637/ | 20:15 |
| asac | thats how xdg detects the DE | 20:15 |
| asac | seems there is no standard at all | 20:16 |
| ogra | Xsession is the quasi standard | 20:16 |
| ogra | i dont see anything apart from gconf settings and a bunch of .desktop files in ubuntu-netbook-remix-default-settings | 20:20 |
| ogra | doesnt look like its easily able to set an env var | 20:21 |
| ogra | davidbarth, http://paste.ubuntu.com/141642/ if StevenK could add such a file to ubuntu-netbook-remix-default-settings and notify-osd could react on the env var, thats ugly but could work | 20:25 |
| ogra | (alternatively the launcher could install /etc/X11/Xsession.d/85no-composite-for-osd, that would actually fix asac's complaint about users running UNR launcher on normal ubuntu) | 20:29 |
| ogra | ... or the launcher could even export it directly on startup | 20:29 |
| davidbarth | ogra: ;) no cookies for n-osd | 20:37 |
| ogra | well | 20:38 |
| davidbarth | ogra: are there other apps that would require the same treatment? | 20:38 |
| davidbarth | ogra: ie, prevent them to use compositing, even if it is active? | 20:38 |
| ogra | compiz ... but thats not installed | 20:38 |
| ogra | there are surely many apps in the archive that you could install though | 20:39 |
| ogra | the thing was that sabdfl asked why notification-daemon is used in UNR instead of n-osd | 20:39 |
| ogra | the gconf key was a simple suggestion to work around that | 20:40 |
| ogra | but i guess we can as well go with notification-daemon | 20:40 |
| ogra | it just not as consistent as it could be | 20:41 |
| ogra | anyway ... | 20:42 |
| * ogra calls it a day, 12h are enough | 20:42 | |
| lool | davidbarth: Session env > not anything useful; | 20:56 |
| lool | GDMSESSION=default.desktop | 20:56 |
| lool | What about testing for maximus? | 20:56 |
| davidbarth | lool: i think the big nasty env. variable is the way to go | 21:06 |
| davidbarth | lool: it's really a temporary workaround; it's not meant to stay | 21:06 |
| davidbarth | lool: if we try to integrate it nicely, then people may want to rely on it, where they should not; they should really fix GL + compositing | 21:07 |
| davidbarth | ogra, lool: i've just pushed a fix for the env. var workaround we just discussed | 21:32 |
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