[05:13] <xrothgarx> I just installed jaunty-mid-lpia.img on my HP tc1100 tablet this weekend. Just wanted to stop by and say great job so far
[05:14] <xrothgarx> looking good so far. and wanted to ask if I am using the correct version. I know there is a umpc version too but it looks like mid is ment for touchscreens only (which I use my tablet without a keyboard)
[05:15] <xrothgarx> anyone have any suggestions either way? I am still working on getting the touchscreen to actually work (need to add wacom-tools to xorg I think)
[05:16] <xrothgarx> also cuious about the moblin project and how that might differ from ubuntu mid. Thanks for any answers you can provide.
[06:17] <untoldone> is there a more appropriate location for discussion of the 9.04 mid image?  if not, has anyone had an issue with the image getting stuck with the gnome splash screen displayed?
[08:18] <lool> untoldone: The GNOME splash screen??  You mean the boot splash or the gnome-session splash?
[08:19] <untoldone> lool: yes, gnome-session-splash ... couldn't repro after a reboot though
[08:20] <untoldone> that was off of the beta usb image
[08:20] <lool> untoldone: It's surprizing, this splash is disabled by default in Ubuntu
[08:21] <untoldone> not sure -- i haven't seen it before then on 8.10 or since -- but it was definitely there
[08:22] <untoldone> its possible i was actually seeing my copy of 8.10 mid if the system didn't boot off of the usb drive ... but even in that case, it was still a relatively untouched copy of ubuntu mid
[08:22] <untoldone> just installed the egalax touchscreen driver ... but beyond that, it was the base image
[08:45] <lool> No idea
[12:35] <asac> lool: how sad would you guys be when mobile-basic-flash cannot fulfill depends anymore?
[12:54] <lool> asac: I think we replaced it entirely with kourou
[12:54] <lool> asac: We should probably just drop it (tm)
[13:25] <asac> lool: great. looking at rdepends still left for xulrunner 1.8 ;)
[14:48] <rothgar> lool I had the same problem when I tried booting with the OEM options on
[14:49] <rothgar> I never got past the gnome splash screen. I reinstalled without the OEM options and it worked for me
[14:49] <lool> Interesting
[14:50] <lool> plars: ^ Do you think you could try reproducing?
[14:50] <lool> Presumably we don't start oem-config properly or something
[16:26] <plars> rothgar: was that with mid or unr? and which build?
[16:27] <plars> sorry, just got back from an appointment
[16:31] <rothgar> mid, the img I have is jaunty-mid-lpia (not sure on the build)
[16:31] <rothgar> I downloaded it this weekend though
[16:33] <plars> rothgar: I tested the build from yesterday and didn't see that problem, unfortunately I don't have an actual MID to test it on, I can only test under kvm
[16:33] <plars> rothgar: GrueMaster had some problems but it doesn't sound quite the same as yours, he was getting into the install and it was hanging at 95%
[16:40] <rothgar> I actually am not running on a MID (it is a tablet computer) but I could try doing a re-install
[16:48] <rothgar> plars: what software is the home/menu system using? I am looking to add/edit some of it to add/remove icons to certain groups
[16:55] <plars> rothgar: hildon-desktop
[17:04] <asac> lool: whats the support status of mobile in gutsy?
[17:05] <lool> asac: Sorry what do you mean?
[17:06] <asac> lool: not sure. wonder if gutsy was a fully supported MID release or not
[17:06] <asac> mobile-basic-flash is in there ;)
[17:08] <lool> I don't think anybody cares about mobile gutsy anymore; we focus on hardy mostly
[17:08] <lool> for support
[18:13] <sabdfl> hi folks
[18:13] <sabdfl> i noticed the image currently has the notification-daemon rather than notify-osd
[18:13] <sabdfl> is that a conscious decision?
[18:18] <lool> sabdfl: the UNR one?
[18:18] <sabdfl> yup
[18:18] <lool> sabdfl: It conflicts with UNR using clutter
[18:18] <sabdfl> oh bugger
[18:18] <sabdfl> what a pity
[18:18] <lool> sabdfl: We'll need DRI2, next cycle
[18:18] <sabdfl> but i understand
[18:33] <ogra> sabdfl, it could work if notify-osd would get a switch that enforces the mode used in metacity
[18:33] <ogra> so it would run in non composite mode
[18:38] <ogra> sabdfl, preferably a gconf key that could get set in ubuntu-netbook-remix-default-settings
[19:22] <sabdfl> ogra: if I can get that added, is there time to swap it in?
[19:23] <ogra> sabdfl, its a one line change in ubuntu-netbook-remix-default-settings to add a boolean key, so i guess yes
[19:23] <sabdfl> ok, i'll ask on #dx. did you discuss this with macslow already?
[19:23] <ogra> and indeed it needs to replace notification-daemon in the seed/metapackage
[19:24] <ogra> no, i'm way to focused on ARM ... i didnt do much in the desktop area this release, feel free to point him at me if he needs help though
[19:25] <ogra> i just mentioned it to you because it seems like an obvious fix ;)
[19:29] <ogra> (help as in -> uploader)
[19:58] <davidbarth> ogra, lool: unr and notify-osd?
[19:58] <ogra> davidbarth, yes ?
[19:58] <davidbarth> ogra: sabdfl mentioned that you were discussing integrating n-osd in unr, or not
[19:59] <davidbarth> ogra: because of the gl / compositing issue
[19:59] <ogra> davidbarth, UNR launcher uses clutter ... clutter breaks with other composite mechanisms like i.e. compiz or the way notify-osd works
[19:59] <davidbarth> ogra: n-osd uses compositing when present, or has a fallback code to make notifications look "almost" as good without compositing
[19:59] <ogra> but notify-osd can work fine in non-composite environments if it detects that no composite is available
[19:59] <davidbarth> ogra: indeed
[20:00] <ogra> so my idea was that you could add a gconf switch to enforce non composite mode
[20:00] <ogra> then you could use it in UNR
[20:00] <ogra> in plain mode
[20:00] <ogra> and we could get rid of notification-daemon in UNR ;)
[20:01] <davidbarth> ogra: currently n-osd detects that at run-time; what would the gconf key add?
[20:01] <ogra> it would skip the detection and enforce non-composite
[20:01] <davidbarth> ogra: to prevent n-osd from using compositing anyway, just because someone may want to run in trouble by running unr-launcher & compositing?
[20:01] <ogra> UNR usually has composite, but thats occupied by clutter
[20:02] <ogra> right
[20:02] <ogra> UNR has a ubuntu-netbook-remix-default-settings package
[20:02] <davidbarth> ogra: really? compositing turned on for unr? 
[20:02] <ogra> that sets some gconf keys
[20:02] <davidbarth> ogra: ah, but without a compositing wm, right?
[20:02] <ogra> yep
[20:02] <ogra> and the launcher is hogging the resource
[20:03] <davidbarth> ogra: got it now; the gconf key is quite an easy fix
[20:03] <ogra> in the ubuntu-netbook-remix-default-settings package we could set the gconf key 
[20:03] <asac> maybe UNR sets a special DESKTOP_SESSION env ?
[20:03] <ogra> just make it a boolean setting true/false, then its a one line change in ubuntu-netbook-remix-default-settings
[20:04] <davidbarth> ogra: let me check
[20:05] <ogra> asac, that would be a question for StevenK ... it could also get a check if the UNR launcher is running ... but that seems more complicated than just adding a gconf key
[20:05] <asac> hmm.isnt the UNR launcher also in the repository? e.g. can users just install it?
[20:05] <davidbarth> ogra: that's indeed an easy fix
[20:05] <asac> if so i would think having a solution that works for that case would be better
[20:06] <ogra> asac, indeed but we're past beta and the fix would be bigger
[20:06] <ogra> UNR launcher could set the gconf key :)
[20:06] <asac> ogra: what would be the real fix?
[20:06] <asac> ogra: yeah ... UNR running ;)
[20:06] <ogra> the real fix would be to make clutter work with other composite implementation ;)
[20:07] <asac> well. 
[20:07] <ogra> +s
[20:07] <asac> you know that thats not what i asked for ;)
[20:07] <ogra> its annoying that the launcher doesnt work with compiz
[20:07] <ogra> users installing it from the archive run into that prob anyway
[20:07] <davidbarth> ogra: i'd prefer a env. variable however, because there is no gconf infrastructure in this part of the code; plus there is some assumption with gconf that we would monitor the key, etc.
[20:08] <ogra> davidbarth, well, then we need to talk to StevenK what he can do ... 
[20:08] <davidbarth> ogra: it's more a "hack" than a real configuration key; it's to workaround a bug
[20:08] <asac> yeah. env sounds better. using a special DESKTOP_SESSION env maybe
[20:08] <ogra> he maintains UNR ... i dont want to poke in his stuff without knowing what i do
[20:08] <asac> ogra: dont you have UNR running?
[20:09] <ogra> asac, i have a ton of ARM HW around me nothing here has more than frambuffer support :)
[20:09] <davidbarth> asac: or NOTIFY_OSD_MUST_NOT_USE_COMPOSITING
[20:09] <davidbarth> asac: a big nasty name, to make sure we don't keep it ;)
[20:10] <asac> yeah. i would think that DESKTOP_SESSION is different anyway. so we could just reuse that
[20:10] <ogra> asac, dont *you* have a UNR around ? :)
[20:10] <asac> ogra: its busted ;)
[20:11] <ogra> heh
[20:11] <ogra> lool, ^^^
[20:11] <ogra> lool, do you know the value for DESKTOP_SESSION on UNR ?
[20:11] <asac> i wanted to help mvo but somehow my install didnt survive the reboot ;)
[20:12] <ogra> there must be someone in this channel running UNR
[20:13] <ogra> who can quickly type: env |grep ^DESKTOP 
[20:13] <asac> so seems the env variables became less meaningless ;)
[20:13] <asac> seems they are just GNOME_DESKTOP_SESSION_ID=this-is-deprecated
[20:13] <asac> and 
[20:13] <asac> DESKTOP_SESSION=whateveryoursessionname is
[20:14] <asac> e.g. for fta on UNR it is "DESKTOP_SESSION=default"
[20:14] <asac> fta: do you run the UNR launcher or plain gnome?
[20:14] <ogra> thats the one we use on the normal gnome desktop as well
[20:14] <fta> asac, UNR launcher
[20:14] <asac> bad luck ;)
[20:15]  * ogra suspects DESKTOP_SESSION comes from Xsession
[20:15] <asac> http://paste.ubuntu.com/141637/
[20:15] <asac> thats  how xdg detects the DE
[20:16] <asac> seems there is no standard at all
[20:16] <ogra> Xsession is the quasi standard
[20:20] <ogra> i dont see anything apart from gconf settings and a bunch of .desktop files in ubuntu-netbook-remix-default-settings
[20:21] <ogra> doesnt look like its easily able to set an env var
[20:25] <ogra> davidbarth, http://paste.ubuntu.com/141642/ if StevenK could add such a file to ubuntu-netbook-remix-default-settings and notify-osd could react on the env var, thats ugly but could work
[20:29] <ogra> (alternatively the launcher could install /etc/X11/Xsession.d/85no-composite-for-osd, that would actually fix asac's complaint about users running UNR launcher on normal ubuntu)
[20:29] <ogra> ... or the launcher could even export it directly on startup
[20:37] <davidbarth> ogra: ;) no cookies for n-osd
[20:38] <ogra> well
[20:38] <davidbarth> ogra: are there other apps that would require the same treatment?
[20:38] <davidbarth> ogra: ie, prevent them to use compositing, even if it is active?
[20:38] <ogra> compiz ... but thats not installed 
[20:39] <ogra> there are surely many apps in the archive that you could install though
[20:39] <ogra> the thing was that sabdfl asked why notification-daemon is used in UNR instead of n-osd
[20:40] <ogra> the gconf key was a simple suggestion to work around that 
[20:40] <ogra> but i guess we can as well go with notification-daemon
[20:41] <ogra> it just not as consistent as it could be
[20:42] <ogra> anyway ...
[20:42]  * ogra calls it a day, 12h are enough
[20:56] <lool> davidbarth: Session env > not anything useful;
[20:56] <lool> GDMSESSION=default.desktop
[20:56] <lool> What about testing for maximus?
[21:06] <davidbarth> lool: i think the big nasty env. variable is the way to go
[21:06] <davidbarth> lool: it's really a temporary workaround; it's not meant to stay
[21:07] <davidbarth> lool: if we try to integrate it nicely, then people may want to rely on it, where they should not; they should really fix GL + compositing
[21:32] <davidbarth> ogra, lool: i've just pushed a fix for the env. var workaround we just discussed