[00:00] xen's live migration sounds pretty awsome... [00:01] kvm's live migration sounds equally awsome... now I'm going to have to set something up so I can try it! [00:25] anyone use mt-daap (aka firefly)? i installed the version from the repo's, and that failed when it tried to add a file. so i figured i would compile the newest from source, and i can't seem to compile it without libid3tag dependency... [00:25] is there a place where we can send recommends for next puppy version? [00:25] puppy? what does this room have to do with puppy? [00:26] I think a search bar in the package manager would be steller [00:26] ah heck I am in the wrong tab [00:26] sorry [00:26] i was confused there for a second lol [00:27] using puppy to rescue my server and irc has like 10 tabs and everyone in each has had something to offer [00:27] I am so glad for irc [00:29] does anyone here have certifications? If so, which ones? [00:29] still not sure what that has to do with ubuntu-server... or even ubuntu. [00:30] ubuntu has server certification I believe [00:30] doubt it. at least not an 'official' cert. [00:31] nothing like RHEL or SLES. [00:31] kees: jdstrand: what's your opinion on bug 293258? [00:31] Launchpad bug 293258 in mysql-dfsg-5.0 "mysql user has home directory writable by mysqld" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/293258 [00:32] anybody use mt-daap or firefly on their ubuntu-server? [00:32] arrrghhh: what about http://www.ubuntu.com/training/certificationcourses [00:33] olcafo, yes, but i don't think those are like the RHEL or SLES certs. [00:35] arrrghhh: I suppose not, now than I'm looking at it. Still would be interesting to hear about. [00:36] certainly. but they won't have the same type of clout the other certs will (unless you KNOW the company wants ubuntu certs, which, i have never run into unfortunately.) [00:36] New bug: #351254 in mailman (main) "Need version bump - 2.1.11 broken with Python 2.6 (dup-of: 351648)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/351254 [00:52] mathiaz: FILE privs are often considered inherently insecure in the first place, but it might be better for the mysql user to have "/nonexistent" as its home directory to at least prevent the dotfile attack vector. [00:53] kees, jdstrand: ^^ === espacious_ is now known as espacious [02:08] Strange issue: I can access my server from a remote network and my server can access all devices locally but not any of the external ip addresses? Is this a gateway setup issue? [02:10] LumpToe: maybe a DNS issue? [02:10] LumpToe: oh, wait, can;t acces IP addresses- sorry, ignore me [02:11] LumpToe: can you traceroute or mrt from the server to see where it fails? [02:11] Yeah dig manages to resolve the addresses but tracepath stops at the route [02:12] that does sound like a gateway issue [02:13] This is a brand new install and a DHCP issued address from the router [02:13] How can I see the gateways used on my ubuntu box [02:14] I was just wondering that [02:15] LumpToe: route -n [02:15] 0.0.0.0 [02:15] brb nature calls [02:16] LumpToe: my server has 2 lines: [02:16] 192.168.1.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 [02:16] 0.0.0.0 192.168.1.1 0.0.0.0 UG 100 0 0 eth0 [02:51] how can you tell which raid controllers are supported for doing installs? [03:07] back [03:07] goofey: My server has the same two lines [03:16] goofey: It was my router. Strange. I went through some of the route tables and wiped out anything with the same IP address. [03:53] anyone here ever use the dhcp3 package w/ ldap patch? [03:55] !anyone [03:55] A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..." Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out? [03:56] lol [03:57] so... when i give it credentials for its account on ldap, it breaks with the error of "success" ... when i give it the wrong password, it seems to re-bind anonymously and works except it can't write to the ldap dn, so it fails. [03:57] binding with ldapsearch with or without credentials works fine [03:58] Sam-I-Am: does libnss talk to LDAP? [03:58] That is, does your /etc/nsswitch use ldap? [03:58] not on the ldap server [03:58] i dont think the patch uses libnss [03:59] seems to have all of its config in dhcpd.conf [03:59] Hmm, OK. [03:59] the debug mode doesnt provide any useful information... and the documentation is scarce. pretty much had to reverse engineer the schema file to figure out what i should have in my ldap tree. [04:00] I hates LDAP [04:00] i love ldap... [04:00] so, if i could figure out how to make the package even work... i'd consider writing useful documentation for it. [04:00] might need to find its maintainer... [04:00] the guy who wrote it is nowhere to be found [04:01] its a universe package [04:03] hi :) [04:05] how can I troubleshoot my settings if I did everything as "How-To: Set up a LAN gateway with DHCP, Dynamic DNS and iptables on Debian Etch" said. and I still cannot ping the NIC that connects to internet ??? [04:14] aranyik: Etch is not Ubuntu [04:15] ok [04:15] but its debian [04:16] aranyik: this is not a Debian support channel. [04:16] aranyik: try #debian on irc.debian.org (OFTC). [04:16] ok.. [04:16] then how can i make the same in ubuntu [04:16] ? [04:17] i know dhcp3-server is supported [04:17] how about bind9? [04:17] i think it is also [04:18] aranyik: I don't know what you're trying to achieve. [04:18] aranyik: for Ubuntu you probably want to read the Server Guide. [04:19] i tried it at forst [04:19] at first [04:20] and it wasnt working [04:20] then every thread in ubuntu will show similar ways [04:20] twb: doing some digging... seems like intrepid grabbed a buggy package version from debian... might be fixed in lenny... which means it'll probably be in jaunty [04:20] but its still not working [04:21] !enter [04:21] Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation! [04:22] a router is a very easy thing to set up, but i never had so much problem since i tried on ubuntu [04:22] Get:2 http://au.archive.ubuntu.com hardy-updates/main ubuntu-docs 8.06.1 (tar) [42.5MB] [04:22] ...ugh, forty megabytes? [04:23] What, did some jackass forget to "make clean"? [04:23] lol [04:23] or gzip [04:25] Sam-I-Am: no, it's gzippe [04:25] However I don't understand why Ubuntu 8.04's version is 8.06-1... [04:25] They ought to call it 8.04.1-1 or something. [04:25] yeh [04:26] probably a typo [04:26] Sam-I-Am: er, not likely [04:26] Sam-I-Am: more likely that they version the docs based on when they are released, and 8.06 is from -updates [04:27] Hmph. The source directory of the tarball is ubuntu-docs-8.04.2~hardy [04:27] I bet lintian doesn't like that [04:28] lol [04:33] apt-cache policy ubuntu-serverguide says: [04:33] 8.06.1 0 500 http://mirror.internode.on.net hardy-updates/main Packages [04:33] 8.04.2~hardy 0 500 http://mirror.internode.on.net hardy/main Packages [04:45] OK, so what happens in that file, AFAICT, is that there are canonical English .xml files, and then .po files that contain each English paragraph and its translation (i.e. each paragraph occurs 1 + 2*(number of translations) times). Then on top of *that*, I think the autogenerated translated .xml files are reproduced in the source? === ^law^41 is now known as _law === _law is now known as _law_ [04:54] Check this shit out: [04:54] fgrep -rl 'You can use the CVSROOT environment variable to store the CVS root' * | wc -l [04:54] 83 [04:54] huh... [04:54] That's right *eighty three* copies of the same text in the source tarball [04:54] well aint that special [04:54] I'm sure someone is just being lazy. That can't be the only way to do it [04:55] Maybe it's something horrible like Canonical builds its docs using its unpublished internal code, so the source package actually contains postprocessed files. [05:09] is there a package from repo i can install for VMWare Tool on Ubuntu Server? [05:09] Or do I have to manually install it [05:13] oh_noes: do you mean so you can run ubuntu-server as a guest inside vmware? [05:17] oh_noes: on Debian there is open-vm-tools, I can't see it in 8.04 [05:17] oh_noes: that it the "install VMware Tools" thing built properly in a .deb [05:17] s/it/is/ [05:19] its not, atm it's all manually, and you have to install your kernel source [05:19] I wasnt sure if Ubuntu had package for it, but thats ok [05:19] It's in 8.10 [05:19] http://packages.ubuntu.com/open-vm-tools [05:19] I guess you could backport it [05:22] and the 8.10 package works flawlessly [05:22] although vmware is a little weird on detecting if the guest is running vmware tools... [05:23] I'd certainly be more inclined to trust backporting the intrepid package over using the shitty virtual CD full of scripts and sharballs that vmware-server itself mounts. [05:33] yeah, also known as... binary blobs [05:34] and m-a just makes it so easy to get modules in open-vm-tools [05:37] Sam-I-Am: actually, no [05:38] Sam-I-Am: the vmware tools .iso contains pre-compiled .ko files only for RHEL kernels [05:38] Sam-I-Am: there's also the module source in there, which would be used on an ubuntu guest [05:38] and some others... like sles i think [05:38] true [05:38] but their builds break on 'modern' systems [05:38] thanks to module build dependencies [05:39] i made a patch some time ago for it... [05:40] other folks seem to combine vmware-tools and open-vm-tools [05:40] almost seems like ubuntu is getting along better with vmware these days than redhate since they're pushing their own vm system [05:42] Eh, vmware can FOAD as far as I'm concerned. [05:42] i really like virtualbox [05:42] qemu -curses along makes qemu beat it, not to mention stuff like -tftp [05:42] but trying to sell it to management is difficult [05:42] "what, we dont have to pay for it?" [05:43] Well, virtualbox has a non-free edition [05:43] That's part of the reason I mistrust it [05:43] Sam-I-Am: you can sell it to your management by calling the OSE "the demo version" [05:43] lol [05:43] thats not a valid argument [05:43] well, my first thing is trying to convert management from centos/rhel to ubuntu [05:43] Ubuntu has a non-free edition (support) so you cant mistrust it [05:44] its quite the uphill battle [05:44] oh_noes: I do mistrust canonical. [05:44] oh_noes: I would VASTLY prefer Ubuntu to be a Debian blend or subproject rather than a fork that syncs irregularly. [05:45] oh_noes: but providing support is quite different to having having two separate versions of a product. [05:45] It's not like Ubuntu has a RHEL and a CentOS version [05:46] agreed, but they only charge for the features business want. For example OSE has USB support etc, and the non-free has remote desktop. [05:46] yeah, the packages arent 3 years old :) [05:47] oh_noes: that's precisely my point. [05:47] oh_noes: it's the same business model as cedega has. [05:48] It's based on treating to wider community as second-class citizens. [05:49] welp, time for bed here [05:49] laters [05:50] I disagree. Its giving them wider community what they want for free, and charging business for anything additional they need. [05:50] Sure, if they start removing functionality used by the wider community, then they break this [05:50] but currently, what they are doing functionality wise I think is a great compromise [05:56] Apart from the fact that they're deliberately taking away features I want, but aren't prepared to pay for. [05:57] It means that if I want those features I have to add them into a fork of the product. It's a divisive business model. [05:57] If they took a "sell consulting" approach, then all the code could be open, and everybody would be working on the same codebase. [06:05] how can i tell if I'm using x86_64 or AMD64 architecture ? [06:05] what is an unstripped build ? [06:06] am i allowed to use the multiverse directory if I'm on 8.04 ? [06:06] quizme: they're the same architecture [06:06] I don't know what an unstripped build is, and yes, there's a multiverse repo for every Ubuntu version [06:07] p_quarles: I mean how can i tell if i'm 32 bit or 64 bit [06:07] quizme: the CPU or the kernel? [06:09] i'm not sure [06:09] "x86_64 or AMD64" is that cpu or kernel ? [06:10] quizme: again, x86_64 and AMD64 are the SAME THING; what I'm asking is whether you're trying to figure out if your hardware is 64-bit capable, or if the OS you're running is 64-bit [06:12] or (this might be easier) what's your real quetion? why do you need to know? [06:13] my real question is [06:13] how do i install ffmpeg [06:13] for 8.04 [06:14] quizme: sudo apt-get install ffmpeg [06:14] the dependencies and architecture questions are automatically resolved by the apt-get program [06:15] how about the codecs and libraries? [06:15] i have 8.04 on my server [06:16] https://wiki.edubuntu.org/ffmpeg <--- i found this [06:16] it looks like there is a bunch of other commands i need to do also [06:16] Unstripped build of FFmpeg for Ubuntu 8.10 Intrepid <--- like what does that mean? [06:18] quizme: okay, I can see where your questions came from now, and let me just say that they are meaningless outside of that context; so start with the "real question" next time, okay? :D [06:19] now, to answer: follow those commands exactly and you should be good [06:19] to find out if you're running 64-bits, run in the terminal: uname -4 [06:19] oops, that should be uname -r [06:20] if it's 64 bits, it will contain the term "x86_64" in the output [06:21] as for "unstripped build", that just means a copy of the codec pack as Fluendo distributes it, rather than the modified way Ubuntu ships it [06:24] 2.6.21.7-2.fc8xen [06:24] that's my uname -r [06:25] who is Fluendo ? [06:25] so it's a Xen virtual machine? anyway, not 64 bits, so you can skip the section in question [06:26] Unstripped build of FFmpeg for Ubuntu 8.10 Intrepid <----- i'm runing 8.04 though [06:26] i am running on AWS / EC2 [06:27] so is that a dangerous command to run ? [06:27] what command? [06:27] sudo apt-get install libavcodec-unstripped-51 libavdevice-unstripped-52 libavformat-unstripped-52 libavutil-unstripped-49 libpostproc-unstripped-51 libswscale-unstripped-0 <--- this command [06:27] no [06:27] ok [06:27] but why does it say 8.10 ? [06:28] oh, looking again, it appears to say those packages are available through apt-get only in 8.10 [06:28] for older versions, you'll need to use the instructions below [06:29] can i upgrade my whole system to 8.10 ? [06:29] is that safe ? [06:30] from 8.04 to 8l.10 [06:33] safe is relative; if you're asking "can it break?" the answer is yes; if you're asking [06:33] "is it supposed to break?" the answer is no [06:34] "safety" in my view is having a backup plan, and not relying on unfamiliar (to you) software to make things flawless; the latter is almost always unrealistic [06:35] good advice [06:36] anyway, the majority of version upgrade experiences are pretty smooth, but there is a significant minority that runs into big bumps during the process [06:45] New bug: #352154 in openssh (main) "ssh-agent stops responding" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/352154 [07:08] I want my ubuntu server to act as a gateway...wht I understand is I have to enable routing(net.ipv4.ip_forward=1)..Is there anything more I have to do? this server is connected to another router. [07:09] do I need to setup iptables and NAT? [07:10] rags: depends which kind sharing you want to configure [07:10] rags: options are transparent bridge and NAT, google those [07:12] simplexi1: thx..will check...I just want net access for the clinet machines behind the ubuntu server...I suppose that means a transparent bridge. [07:14] rags: nat if you dont want access to it from anywhere, or bridge if you want acces it from another place than server [07:16] will the forwarding work with just wht I have done...since nat is already present on the router? [07:23] if you say: apt-get install a b c d e f ....... to reverse that can you say: apt-get remove a b c d e f ......... and that will bring the state of your system to exactly where it was before ? [07:25] quizme: if a had a dependency h, h would not be removed after step 2 [07:26] but if h was the only a dependency for a it would be listed as a package that is no longer in use, and you can remove it with sudo apt-get autotemove [07:27] oh i c [07:27] well [07:28] if you will do sudo apt-get install pack1 pack2 pack3, it will give the list of all the packages that would be installed [07:28] you can save it [07:28] what if c was installed before step 1 ? [07:29] it would not be listed in the packages that would be installed [07:29] so you won't delete it after [07:29] do you mean uninstalled ? [07:30] look [07:30] basically i am wondering if i uninstall a b c d e f I don't want it to wreck anything else that may want it there [07:31] if you had pack1 installed, and you would run sudo apt-get install pack1 pack2 pack3, pack1 would not be listed as the package that would be really installed [07:31] so you will know that you should not remove it :) [07:31] the problem is [07:31] i already ran apt-get install [07:31] so i can't see that list [07:31] heh) [07:32] quizme: /var/log/dpkg*log [07:32] twb: i c.... i have to dig in there .... thanks [07:33] oh boy [07:33] i need a bubble bath [07:33] :) just look at the timestamp [07:33] quizme: had you used aptitude, there would be /var/log/aptitude, which is more readable [07:33] i c [07:33] hmm [07:34] ok [07:34] i'll use aptitude from now on [07:34] this is goign to be hell [07:36] quizme: there is /var/log/apt/term.log [07:36] quizme: you would see the output of apt-get you ran before [07:36] basically to get my system back to a state S0 at time t0, i should remove all packages installed after t0 if they weren't already in the system before t0. [07:37] then type in apt-get autoremove [07:37] it seems like that could be automated with a script [07:38] quizme: look at the /var/log/apt/term.log [07:40] That still is not guaranteed to get you back to what you had before. [07:40] In particular, removing (instead of purging) will not remove config files [07:41] And some buggy packages will leave stuff in /etc or /var even after you purge them [07:41] database packages sometimes do that to avoid data loss. [07:42] it would be cool if there was a program that could bring your software and library state to a certain time point by dragging a "scrubber control" like in a video player. [07:42] quizme: it is called time machine in mac os x ;) [07:43] twb: so there is no clean way to make a time machine with apt-get ? [07:44] It has been discussed, but does not exist yet. [07:44] In particular it will be easier once btrfs is in production, as it (like ZFS) supports snapshots. [07:46] In general, removing packages and purging them (aptitude purge ~c) should be sufficient [07:46] It's just not GUARANTEED to be identical [07:48] ok [07:49] so i'll just aptitude purge all the packages in installed today [07:51] then reinstall what i was supposed to [07:51] hopefully that doesn't break anything else [07:53] aptitude purge ibavcodec-unstripped-51 libavdevice-unstripped-52 libavformat-unstripped-52 libavutil-unstripped-49 libpostproc-unstripped-51 libswscale-unstripped-0 <--- this looks pretty safe doesn't it ? [07:57] quizme: sudo apt-get purge [08:16] I'm on Ubuntu 8.04.2 LTS and for some reason I can't get vim installed correctly. The package installs but vim complains about missing features (such as no syntax highlighting). Anyone know what's going on? [08:17] Counterspell did you customize ~/.vimrc? [08:17] yes [08:18] Counterspell rename it and give it a try without it. [08:18] why is the vim build screwed up? [08:18] ok [08:18] of course that will work [08:18] but i want those features [08:18] Counterspell no, I think you messed up your .vimrc [08:18] :) [08:18] syntax [08:19] no vimrc is ok [08:19] i just copied it from my other box [08:19] nothing wrong with it [08:19] hm [08:19] regular sudo apt-get vim? [08:19] someone think the build for server would be 'more stable' without syntax highlighting? [08:19] no [08:21] yes normal sudo apt-get install vim [08:21] Counterspell are you invoking with vi? maybe try with vim? [08:21] nope; let me see i just did apt-get update and now it looks like i can install vim-full [08:22] I don't have an 8.04 box. np with 8.10. [08:23] i think i'm all set now [08:23] thanks man [08:23] fyi; install vim-nox is the way to go [08:23] where are packages downloaded to again? i want to delete some downloaded packages [08:24] Counterspell: /var/cache/apt/archives [08:24] Counterspell: thanks [08:24] spaces in file names...wrote a simple script to inventory the permissions for files and dirs with full path. all works except file names with spaces. some help? http://pastebin.com/m11102c41 [08:25] pointer? [08:37] moin [08:39] <_ruben> friartuck: i assume something like this would work (not-tested) : find ~/.nx -name "*" -print0 | xargs -0 ls -Alhd [08:41] _ruben interesting, that may work better. Thx! I'm working with sed to figure out the first script. [08:42] does apt-get build-dep only install the dependencies of a package? [08:42] _ruben your's fixed the space problem anyways. [08:57] how do I install only the dependencies of a package? [09:43] hi i installed gallery2 but i cant get the relative paths right...i tryed almost everything... [09:43] http://gallery.menalto.com/node/77317 [09:43] i followed that [09:44] can anyone throw an eye? [09:44] galler2 path is /usr/share/gallery2 [09:44] wordpres in /var/www/wordpress [09:45] domainname.com is linked in /var/www/wordpress === asac_ is now known as asac === rdw200169 is now known as rdw200169`away [12:02] New bug: #299455 in mysql-dfsg-5.0 (main) "mysql init script fails if debian-start is not executable" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/299455 === mcasadevall is now known as NCommander [12:52] During installation, tasksel offers the 'virtualisation' option. When this option is checked, the installer does not put the main user in the libvirt group. The installer automatically put the main user in the 'admin' group, it is desirable to put the main user in libvirt so that the user can use virsh 'out of the box'. [12:56] New bug: #352321 in mysql-dfsg-5.0 (main) "mysql queries "lose" results" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/352321 [12:58] Additionaly, the default network is broken at install. Its default setting makes it fail on startup. Better deactivate it (not autostarted) than having a broken default configuration. Another reason why the default network should not be autostarted : it is a NAT configuration which is not adapted to several use case. In doubt, better let the user choose than make a choice for him that he will need to de-configure. [12:58] how do I create a launch to a executable? [13:56] is this irc room logged somewhere? [13:57] !logs | rst-uanic [13:57] rst-uanic: Official channel logs can be found at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ - For LoCo channels, http://logs.ubuntu-eu.org/freenode/ === Zaraphrax is now known as Zaraphrax[Away] [13:57] jpds: thanks :) [14:07] ivoks, hi [14:12] question. how can I give user permissions to actually write to /var/www directory ? [14:12] whithout chown , cause that just screws things up [14:15] orudie: are you familiar with linux permissions? [14:15] do an ls -ld /var/www [14:16] and paste the output (should only be one line) here [14:17] drwxr-xr-x 6 root root 4096 Mar 30 01:52 /var/www [14:17] ok, typically, root does not own /var/www [14:17] in ubuntu/debian, www-data does [14:17] did you change it? [14:17] nope [14:17] do you have a webserver installed? [14:17] yeah [14:17] which one? [14:17] installed it with tasksel apche2 [14:18] with 4 active vhosts [14:18] ok ... [14:18] and who/what needs to write to this directory? [14:20] oh [14:20] i need to upload files with ssh [14:20] i mean sftp [14:21] well typically that's not done directly in /var/www [14:22] you might create a directory like /var/www/user/ [14:22] and then chown that directory for your user [14:23] giovani, oh so i have /var/www/site1 , so i can do chown username /var/www/site1 ? wont this mess things up with apache's permissions ? [14:23] yes it would [14:23] orudie: you can have your user, and apache's group own the directory [14:24] giovani > you could put www-data in the group that owns the directory [14:24] in the group of the directory I meant [14:24] yann2: I just said that [14:25] ok I misunderstood :) thought you told him to put www-data as group [14:25] sorry [14:25] I did, I must have just misunderstood you :) [14:25] why create ANOTHER group? [14:25] :) I would create a group like "website1", and put user and www-data in it [14:26] what's the advantage of that, in this situation? [14:26] more flexibility if there are several people working on the website? [14:26] could give access to some people to one website but not the other one [14:26] non sense if he is the only user :) [14:26] ok ... he hasn't said anything about that [14:27] but yes, in that situation, that would be more flexible, it's just more complex if it's not required [14:27] I always found web permissions to be extraordinary complex and unstatisfying :( [14:27] yann2, can you help me create a group ? === Zaraphrax is now known as Zaraphrax[Away] [14:28] yann2, that will let me do what you are talking about [14:29] yann2: linux permissions being very lacking don't help -- which is why real ACLs are usually brought in :) === rdw200169`away is now known as rdw200169 [14:44] ivoks: We're looking at leaping to clamav 0.95 before release. There's a draft package in ubuntu-clamav PPA. Could you test it with amavisd-new? [14:45] i might... [14:46] i just can't tell when :) [14:46] * ivoks whishes cloning is allowed :) [14:46] I probably have about two days to decide. [14:48] ivoks: I don't know anyone else I'd trust to do it and I'm pretty tied up working on porting libclamav rdepends. [14:48] i'll test it [14:49] ivoks: Thanks. [14:49] * ScottK-palm gets back to $WORK. === rdw200169 is now known as rdw200169`afk === Zaraphrax[Away] is now known as Zaraphrax === Zaraphrax is now known as Zaraphrax[Away] [16:14] Greetings [16:14] I need some suggestions with TAR === hessml|away is now known as hessml|away|away [16:15] I have an old version of tar that doesn't support inline bzip and gzip, that also splits archives once they hit 2048 MB, and the folder I'm trying to archive is 2078 MB. [16:16] how can I tar and bzip simultaneously? [16:18] Fenix|work: run "tar --version" for me [16:18] I don't know what "old version" means exactly [16:18] not supported :) [16:18] hehe [16:18] that old [16:18] you're running ubuntu server? [16:18] I run several... but this one is not. [16:18] this is #ubuntu-server [16:19] it's an antiquated BSD derivative. [16:19] you'd need to read the manpage for the version you have [16:19] hi, i'm having a problem with an old version of winzip ;) [16:19] as for bziping ... you can simply tar it and pipe that to bzip [16:20]