| pwnguin | how the hell does evdev work? | 06:32 |
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| pwnguin | im getting pushback from scottk on closing a bug about requiring root prives to use uinput; im wondering if evdev solves anything | 06:55 |
| tjaalton | pwnguin: which bug | 07:20 |
| tjaalton | bryce: so is the pot file in the binary now or just the source package? | 07:22 |
| tjaalton | bryce: xkeyboard-config.. | 07:22 |
| pwnguin | bug #312957 | 07:29 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 312957 in cwiid "CWiid Version 0.6.00 unable to open uinput " [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/312957 | 07:29 |
| tjaalton | does it work in jaunty? | 07:32 |
| tjaalton | in intrepid evdev grabbed the input devices | 07:32 |
| tjaalton | but doesn't do that anymore in jaunty | 07:32 |
| pwnguin | it works as well in jaunty as it ever has | 07:33 |
| pwnguin | the problem is that the program uses uinput | 07:33 |
| pwnguin | which is a security black hole | 07:33 |
| tjaalton | ok | 07:33 |
| tjaalton | well, I don't know about that :) | 07:33 |
| pwnguin | the conclusion ive come to is to just use sudo and be done with it | 07:33 |
| pwnguin | user beware | 07:34 |
| tjaalton | well, the package could use policykit to use the plugdev group for the device | 07:34 |
| tjaalton | erm | 07:34 |
| tjaalton | no policykit needed there | 07:35 |
| tjaalton | PK adds the group for the active user | 07:35 |
| pwnguin | when i spoke with scott remnant a year or longer ago | 07:35 |
| tjaalton | or something like that | 07:35 |
| pwnguin | This implies to me that any user could insert input events to your X server, and thus click on any part of the screen, etc. | 07:36 |
| pwnguin | These permissions are definitely inappropriate. | 07:36 |
| tjaalton | heh, ok then | 07:36 |
| pwnguin | im not about to overrule the udev maintainer ;) | 07:36 |
| tjaalton | so the driver is faulty | 07:36 |
| pwnguin | there's no way from here to there | 07:36 |
| pwnguin | im wondering if evdev works substantially differently | 07:36 |
| tjaalton | doesn't use uinput | 07:38 |
| tjaalton | anyway, afk-> | 07:38 |
| pwnguin | the uinput.h does say it's substantially copied from evdev | 07:38 |
| pwnguin | so they cant be all that different in practice ;) | 07:38 |
| pwnguin | g'nite or whatnot | 07:39 |
| tjaalton | night | 07:43 |
| bryce | tjaalton: just the source package | 09:34 |
| tjaalton | ok | 09:35 |
| bryce | I trust that's sufficient for rosetta | 09:42 |
| tjaalton | probably is | 09:42 |
| bryce | fwiw, it wasn't as simple as just running make <foo>.pot; it seems this part of the makefile has bit rotted some | 09:42 |
| * bryce -> bed | 09:42 | |
| Ampelbein | tjaalton: hi. could you have a look at bug #352335, please? | 13:12 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 352335 in xserver-xorg-input-acecad "FTBFS due to xserver-1.6" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/352335 | 13:12 |
| Ampelbein | I added a patch and would like you to check if it's ok. | 13:12 |
| tjaalton | Ampelbein: the patch itself does, but it's a lot of changes for just a simple patch | 13:18 |
| tjaalton | I'll update them in debian so we can sync them | 13:18 |
| tjaalton | there are six input drivers that FTBFS, minus aiptek | 13:18 |
| Ampelbein | tjaalton: i had a little chat with bryce yesterday about using or not using quilt | 13:18 |
| Ampelbein | i've done the change for aiptek using quilt and he said it was ok. | 13:19 |
| tjaalton | sure | 13:19 |
| jcristau | Ampelbein: the fix should be as simple as updating to the new upstream | 13:19 |
| tjaalton | all those drivers got a new version because of xserver 1.6 | 13:19 |
| Ampelbein | so do we wait until debian has the changes and sync? | 13:21 |
| tjaalton | it's the least effort (for you anyway ;) | 13:22 |
| Ampelbein | ok, just thought it would be helping. | 13:22 |
| tjaalton | np, it was just delayed on my part | 13:23 |
| tjaalton | heh, I already had the git repos cloned | 13:27 |
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| PolitikerNEU | ah - maybe you can help me here: Is there a kernel including the openchrome-driver so VIA-chips work out of the box? | 17:45 |
| laanan | hello, i have a problem getting 3D acceleration with my Intel 945 gfx in Jaunty. i've asked in #ubuntu+1 and was directed here | 17:45 |
| tjaalton | PolitikerNEU: there is xserver-xorg-video-openchrome in jaunty, isn't it enough? | 17:48 |
| tjaalton | laanan: /var/log/Xorg.0.log plese | 17:48 |
| tjaalton | pleAse | 17:48 |
| laanan | ok, just a sec | 17:48 |
| laanan | tjaalton, (the Driver "intel" was added by me, no change from the default of nothing): http://pastebin.com/m6f83c26b | 17:49 |
| tjaalton | laanan: that's xorg.conf | 17:50 |
| laanan | tjaalton, oh sorry | 17:50 |
| laanan | tjaalton, http://pastebin.com/m29001fee | 17:51 |
| tjaalton | laanan: dri is used, so what doesn't work? | 17:52 |
| laanan | if it helps, i seemed to have the same problem with a fresh install of 8.10, and changing `Driver "vesa"` to `Driver "intel"` in xorg.conf fixed it. the problem is all 3D accel. apps seem software rendered | 17:53 |
| laanan | that is, it's more than just sluggish, frame rates are around 1-2hz for most gl screensavers and games | 17:54 |
| tjaalton | what does 'glxinfo| grep direct' say? | 17:54 |
| laanan | it says `direct rendering: Yes`, but it said that in 8.10 too and obviously it wasn't (again, adding Driver "intel" fixed it in 8.10) | 17:55 |
| tjaalton | adding that shouldn't do anything | 17:55 |
| laanan | ok | 17:56 |
| jcristau | just pastebin 'LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose glxinfo' | 17:56 |
| PolitikerNEU | tjaalton: At least in 8.10 (was openchrome there?) it was not enough - has the situation changed in 9.04? | 17:56 |
| tjaalton | PolitikerNEU: try the beta livecd | 17:56 |
| PolitikerNEU | tjaalton: I will - the problem it is not my laptop | 17:57 |
| laanan | tjaalton, http://pastebin.com/m1b3276ca | 17:57 |
| jcristau | so it's accelerated alright | 17:58 |
| tjaalton | yep | 17:58 |
| laanan | the advice i got for 8.10 did fix the problem, and from what i remember glxinfo was pretty much the same before and after the xorg.conf change | 18:01 |
| jcristau | it's not clear to me what the problem is. you said you wanted 3d accel, you've got that already. | 18:01 |
| tjaalton | laanan: gnome or kde? | 18:02 |
| laanan | gnome | 18:02 |
| tjaalton | try with a new user or purge your compiz configuration | 18:03 |
| tjaalton | a livecd would do as well | 18:03 |
| laanan | well, for example, glxgears gives me around 300fps now, it was the same with 8.10 before the change. after the change glxgears in 8.10 runs at over 5 times the speed | 18:03 |
| tjaalton | glxgears is not a benchmark | 18:04 |
| jcristau | pick another example | 18:04 |
| laanan | it's just an indicator, the skyrocket screensaver gets around 1-2hz, GtkRadiant is almost unusable as well | 18:05 |
| laanan | tjaalton, could you explain purging my clmpiz configuration ? | 18:07 |
| tjaalton | laanan: probably in too many places I don't know.. just create a new user and try there | 18:08 |
| tjaalton | or try without the effects (ie. with metacity) | 18:08 |
| laanan | ok, well i have None checked in Appearance/Visual Effects.. i will try to create a new user | 18:09 |
| tjaalton | you need to log out and log back in as that user, quick switch to it basically means you got no DRI | 18:10 |
| tjaalton | in that session | 18:10 |
| laanan | ok | 18:10 |
| laanan | hmm, no change. this problem is not a large issue for me, as 8.10 works fine for the most part. i just wanted to try Jaunty since it seems there was a bug fixed in Mesa affecting one of my apps | 18:15 |
| laanan | thank you for the help though, i appreciate it | 18:17 |
| tjaalton | you could try the mesa packages at https://edge.launchpad.net/~tjaalton/+archive/ppa | 18:18 |
| laanan | i can use those with Intrepid ? | 18:19 |
| tjaalton | no | 18:19 |
| laanan | oh, well from what i gather the bug was unrelated to this current issue | 18:21 |
| laanan | (and i am a Linux newbie, so i'm a little over my head here anyway :)) | 18:22 |
| tjaalton | try a livecd, it should work there | 18:24 |
| tjaalton | if not, then it's a bug | 18:24 |
| laanan | that's what i tried first (the daily build), same problem | 18:25 |
| tjaalton | ok | 18:25 |
| laanan | it was explained to me that my previous 8.10 install was using the generic vesa driver, and was slow even tho direct rendering was enabled. i figured it was the same situation here but apparently not | 18:28 |
| tjaalton | vesa doesn't support dri | 18:28 |
| laanan | yeah, that was the reason was everything crawled there | 18:29 |
| laanan | for me, apparently i need `Driver "intel"` in 8.10 for everything to work as it should.. are you saying that (if everything is goes well) i don't need that in 9.04 ? | 18:31 |
| tjaalton | you shoudn't need that in 8.10 either | 18:32 |
| tjaalton | just remove the line | 18:32 |
| laanan | ok, i will try that the next time i am in 8.10. (but the problem still remains with or without that line in 9.04) | 18:33 |
| laanan | anyway, if i have time and can get it sorted out, i will come back and let you know. thanks again | 18:34 |
| tjaalton | np | 18:34 |
| Ng | hmmmm | 18:38 |
| Ng | tjaalton: interesting data point, I just booted a live CD... compiz stuff seems fine :/ | 18:38 |
| Ng | so something about my setup which has no appreciable xorg.conf, or .drirc or interesting compiz settings, is very much worse | 18:39 |
| tjaalton | Ng: there you go, upgrades ftl :) | 18:39 |
| Ng | this could also explain why the 965 belonging to the guy next to me is nowhere near as badly affected as mine | 18:39 |
| Ng | tjaalton: well, I'm not sure it's 100% conclusive, there will be a lot more happening on my install than a live CD | 18:47 |
| Ng | but I am now very tempted to do a full re-install ;) | 18:47 |
| tjaalton | heh | 18:59 |
| Ng | aha! a more comparable test from the live CD still shows the same juddering | 19:03 |
| * Ng feels vindicated and re-assured ;) | 19:03 | |
| BUGabundo | bryce: ping | 20:13 |
| BUGabundo | how are we with support for intel 8x5 for jaunty? | 20:13 |
| bryce | BUGabundo: piss poor at the moment | 20:27 |
| bryce | BUGabundo: do you have feedback on it? I asked on the list for input from any 8xx owners but no one responded | 20:27 |
| BUGabundo | thanks bryce | 20:34 |
| BUGabundo | i changed xorg to use DRI false | 20:34 |
| BUGabundo | and i can use this test PC | 20:34 |
| BUGabundo | i have a bunch of then to install until saturday | 20:34 |
| bryce | BUGabundo: what chipset? | 20:34 |
| BUGabundo | bryce: 865 | 20:34 |
| BUGabundo | i comment on the bug | 20:35 |
| BUGabundo | do u need any further testing? | 20:35 |
| BUGabundo | i guess i could give u reverse ssh to it or something | 20:35 |
| bryce | I'm going to limit 304871 to just 845 graphics | 20:35 |
| bryce | which I think is fixed now | 20:36 |
| bryce | 865 will need a separate bug report | 20:36 |
| BUGabundo | ok | 20:36 |
| bryce | 317457 maybe | 20:36 |
| BUGabundo | is it opened yet? | 20:36 |
| bryce | BUGabundo: have you filed one for this issue? If so I'd prefer making that the master since you're more active | 20:36 |
| BUGabundo | i did not | 20:37 |
| bryce | otherwise I guess we can use 317457 | 20:37 |
| bryce | ok | 20:37 |
| BUGabundo | thats why i came here 1st | 20:37 |
| BUGabundo | ok, i'm subed to it now | 20:37 |
| bryce | 328528 is UXA lockup on 865 | 20:37 |
| bryce | I've not decided if that's a dupe, I think it may be a separate issue. You have that one too? | 20:38 |
| BUGabundo | let ne see | 20:39 |
| BUGabundo | bryce: i didnt mess much on this xorg | 20:40 |
| BUGabundo | just added dri | 20:40 |
| BUGabundo | bryce: is there any thing i can do to make this card run compiz? | 21:18 |
| bryce | BUGabundo: can you try the Legacy3D "false" option mentioned in the bug report? | 21:20 |
| bryce | BUGabundo: did you already try option "AccelMethod" "UXA"? | 21:20 |
| BUGabundo | no i did not | 21:21 |
| BUGabundo | let me see if i can do it | 21:21 |
| BUGabundo | ok now where do i need to add that stuff? | 21:22 |
| jcristau | device section of xorg.conf | 21:22 |
| BUGabundo | but keep dri false? | 21:23 |
| jcristau | not if you want compiz | 21:23 |
| BUGabundo | oh | 21:23 |
| bryce | you can try them both together if you want but disabling dri sort of cancels out uxa | 21:25 |
| BUGabundo | so i add legacy3d and uxa | 21:26 |
| BUGabundo | is this ok? http://paste.ubuntu.com/141679/ | 21:26 |
| bryce | BUGabundo: can you also try each of those two options separately? | 21:27 |
| bryce | I'd like to know if Legacy3D will solve your issue without also having to go to UXA | 21:27 |
| BUGabundo | sure | 21:27 |
| BUGabundo | i'll just make dinner wait a bit more | 21:27 |
| bryce | no prob | 21:28 |
| BUGabundo | killing X now | 21:28 |
| BUGabundo | with both i can login | 21:30 |
| BUGabundo | commenting 3d | 21:30 |
| BUGabundo | spoke too soon | 21:30 |
| BUGabundo | system froze | 21:30 |
| BUGabundo | bryce: having both seems like a bad choice on 865 | 21:31 |
| bryce | :-/ | 21:31 |
| bryce | yeah not many good reports of UXA on 965 | 21:31 |
| bryce | er 965 | 21:32 |
| bryce | dah | 21:32 |
| bryce | 888865 | 21:32 |
| bryce | BUGabundo: try with only Legacy3d | 21:32 |
| BUGabundo | rebooted | 21:32 |
| bryce | I don't expect that will work, but if it does we're golden since I have a patch for that already | 21:32 |
| BUGabundo | and repeated the same thing | 21:32 |
| bryce | ok so, the only thing that has worked has been disabling DRI? | 21:33 |
| bryce | (which disables compiz) | 21:33 |
| BUGabundo | bryce: now testing with only 3d | 21:33 |
| yow|x2 | i dont use compiz, id be happy to test BUGabundo | 21:34 |
| BUGabundo | after that i can try wit only uxa | 21:34 |
| bryce | yow|x2: what chipset do you have? | 21:34 |
| yow|x2 | intel ich7 | 21:35 |
| BUGabundo | bah | 21:35 |
| BUGabundo | critical bug... Delete will not send to trash | 21:35 |
| yow|x2 | 945gm / 945gms for video | 21:36 |
| bryce | yow|x2: we're only looking at 8xx for this, but thanks. | 21:36 |
| BUGabundo | bryce: just 3d i have a black background | 21:36 |
| BUGabundo | see top and bottom bars | 21:36 |
| BUGabundo | mouse moves | 21:36 |
| yow|x2 | ack. gotta figure out why im getting freezing so much | 21:36 |
| BUGabundo | bryce: want me to test just UXA now? | 21:37 |
| BUGabundo | cant even jump to TTY | 21:37 |
| bryce | BUGabundo: if you'd like; we already decided we're not going to do UXA, and I'm pretty sure it won't work for you | 21:37 |
| BUGabundo | alt+sysqr+K just showed blue screen | 21:37 |
| BUGabundo | then black | 21:38 |
| bryce | yeah that's because the kernel kills X but doesn't know how to reset the graphics card to a sane state | 21:39 |
| bryce | probably have to reboot | 21:39 |
| BUGabundo | bryce: FAIL | 21:42 |
| BUGabundo | UXA wont work on this system | 21:43 |
| BUGabundo | just DRI | 21:43 |
| BUGabundo | any more combos u need me to test? | 21:43 |
| bryce | nope, that should do it | 21:44 |
| bryce | ok, I'll go with the disable DRI patch for 865 then | 21:44 |
| bryce | shame to lose compiz and 3D on that chipset, but better that it not freeze up | 21:44 |
| BUGabundo | so no compoiz? | 21:44 |
| BUGabundo | ohh my students wont be able to play with it! | 21:45 |
| bryce | BUGabundo: there was one reporter that said he resolved it on 865 by booting a 2.6.27 kernel | 21:47 |
| bryce | so you could try that, if you just want to be able to show it off | 21:47 |
| bryce | er wait that reporter was on 855 | 21:47 |
| bryce | still, booting an earlier kernel might be worth trying if you have one handy | 21:48 |
| BUGabundo | bryce: no change. this is a daily jaunty image | 21:53 |
| bryce | hrm, too bad | 21:54 |
| bryce | tjaalton, superm1: either of you know if anyone is going to up us to the latest -nvidia? Or should we be skipping it? | 22:38 |
| superm1 | bryce, from the looks of it, it's bug fixes, but i'm not positive | 22:42 |
| bryce | I've seen several positive reports around it, and judging from the rate of new bugs against nvidia-180 so far, we could use bug fixes there | 22:42 |
| superm1 | bryce, yeah especially KDE plasma fixes | 22:43 |
| bryce | good god, xorg is up to 35 bugs after just a couple weeks | 23:24 |
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