[00:01] <sonink> Has anyone ever had problems where the X server doesn't allow full resolution and color depth if a system is unable to pull an IP address?  Or does this sound like a misdiagnosis?  I think it may be due to the connection to the monitor.  Is there a way to check X error logs to find the cause?
[00:03] <zoredache> sonink: I think that would be very unusual.
[00:07] <kaveh> im using ventrilo, it is voip software
[00:07] <kaveh> although i havent gotten my microphone working yet
[00:08] <kaveh> logitech usb
[00:08] <kaveh> from guitarhero 4
[00:15] <BigMoopies> is it possible to change the little box that Thunar pops up in ?
[00:15] <BigMoopies> It's too small, and I always have to resize it.  It's annoying.
[00:39] <kaveh> anyone able to help me with this - im using alsa + ventrilo. havent got my mic working yet but thats not to worry - i can sit in channels and hear people but there are overtones that  didnt occur in windows and i havent found any comment of someting like this on the intarwebz
[00:39] <kaveh> anyone able to help?
[00:50] <zoredache> kaveh: it really isn't a xubuntu issue that is specific to xubuntu, you probably should consider asking in #ubuntu/#kubuntu if you haven't already.  There tends to be more people there, which means you might get help
[00:50] <J_Litewski> i can't get Dell's GPG key
[00:51] <zoredache> J_Litewski: does Dell even have a gpg key?
[00:51] <J_Litewski> yea
[00:51] <zoredache> how do you know?
[00:51] <J_Litewski> linux.dell.com
[00:51] <J_Litewski> for firmware updates
[00:52] <kaveh> thankyou zoredache
[00:53] <zoredache> J_Litewski: do you have a link to the repository?
[00:54] <J_Litewski> i got this:http://linux.dell.com/wiki/index.php/Repository/firmware
[00:54] <J_Litewski> that tells me how to do this
[00:55] <J_Litewski> whats 8.04 codename?
[00:55] <zoredache> hardy
[00:56] <zoredache> this looks like the gpg key... http://linux.dell.com/repo/GPG-KEY-dell
[00:57] <J_Litewski> i've been trying to download it, it says i don't have permissions
[00:57] <zoredache> how are you trying to download it?
[00:57] <J_Litewski> so, i'm going to import Hardy's universe list and try again
[00:59] <J_Litewski> sudo wget -q -O - http://linux.dell.com/repo/firmware/bootstrap.cgi | bash
[00:59] <J_Litewski> damnit, that didnt work
[01:00] <J_Litewski> this is the messages i'm getting from the terminal:
[01:00] <zoredache> the problem there is that the 'sudo' doesn't also persist through the pipe
[01:00] <zoredache> so your wget gets to run as root, but the bash command is only running as yourself
[01:00] <zoredache> Dell is probably assuming that you are using a root shell like you would get if you run the command (sudo -i)
[01:01] <J_Litewski> so i need to run bash as sudo too?
[01:01] <J_Litewski> sudo wget -q -O - http://linux.dell.com/repo/firmware/bootstrap.cgi | sudo bash
[01:01] <zoredache> do an sudo -i all by itself and you'll get a real root shell
[01:01] <zoredache> then just use the line they gave you
[01:02] <J_Litewski> i don't feel safe running solely as root
[01:02] <J_Litewski> can i reverse sudo -i?
[01:02] <zoredache> when you are done, close the window or type exit
[01:02] <zoredache> it would only exist for that shell/terminal/session
[01:03] <J_Litewski> sudo wget -q -O - http://linux.dell.com/repo/firmware/bootstrap.cgi | sudo bash works too
[01:03] <zoredache> I can imagine unusual cases where the pipe might not work...  But if it works for you, then that is fine
[01:04] <J_Litewski> i don't like the full root idea
[01:04] <J_Litewski> that scares me
[01:04] <zoredache> I don't see how it makes a big difference
[01:05] <zoredache> you are running the script as root either way
[01:05] <J_Litewski> but i don't run everything as root
[01:05] <zoredache> I am not asking you to run everything as root...
[01:05] <J_Litewski> if i did sudo -i and forgot about it, i would sudo everything i did
[01:05] <zoredache> no you wouldn't
[01:06] <J_Litewski> since i usually keep my terminal open
[01:06] <zoredache> plus it is pretty clear, if you just look at the prompt
[01:06] <zoredache> a root prompt will have roots username, and your prompt will have yours
[01:06] <J_Litewski> ah
[01:07] <zoredache> and how hard is it to type 'exit' when you are done?  *shrugs* I don't care though... I am off to get dinner
[01:08] <zoredache> the biggest thing that may break is that when you do 'sudo' things will inherit your enviroment'  when you are in a root shell like you would get with 'sudo -i' the PATH will be a little different, and won't have anything from your personal enviroment
[01:08] <J_Litewski> still, i tend to break things
[01:08] <n0ah> hey, I installed xubuntu-desktop and I'm wondering how to set up dual display as I have it in gnome
[01:09] <zoredache> if something evil happened in your profile, and Dell was sloppy, then you might be letting that evil thing in your profile elevate its privileges
[01:11]  * J_Litewski sighs
[01:12] <J_Litewski> i need to install more junk to get the bootstrap_firmware installed...
[01:12] <J_Litewski> after i spent most of yesterday trimming the bloat i had
[01:21] <J_Litewski> whats kswap0?
[01:50]  * diabu hi
[02:35] <J_Litewski> that was wierd...
[02:35] <J_Litewski> i didn't have a Applications button for a minute there
[02:40] <CloseYetFar> yea dont kill Kswap0 lol
[02:41] <CloseYetFar> it stands for Kernal Hard Disk Swap running on processor 0
[02:42] <CloseYetFar> all the processes with k in front of them and low PID are kernel processes
[02:49] <ryanbeer> I have a situation on my hands.  I installed Xubuntu about 3 weeks ago.  I installed Gnome and it is running Compiz.  I started kde from terminal, restarted and now when the login screen comes up my keyboard, mouse, and all usb devices lock up.
[02:50] <ryanbeer> I meant to say I was running Gnome and it was running Compiz
[03:01] <J_Litewski> grrr... i can't seem to update my firmware
[03:02] <zoredache> why do you think you need to?
[03:02] <J_Litewski> because i like to update stuff like that
[03:03] <J_Litewski> i'm thinking about booting up wine and using the windows installer
[03:04] <zoredache> good luck with that...  That is the type of thing, that if it does fail, is going to fail badly
[03:04] <J_Litewski> i know
[03:05] <J_Litewski> i did it on an old Toshiba befpre
[03:05] <zoredache> why are you trying to fix something that isn't broke?
[03:06] <J_Litewski> i'm one of those people that like to make sure that my computer is up to date
[03:06] <J_Litewski> including firmware
[03:18] <kb3ui> What would be the best way to report a broken link on the Xubunutu website?
[03:26] <kb3ui> IRSeekBot:  How does one wake the humans here?
[03:40] <cody-somerville> kb3ui, File a bug report against the xubuntu-website project
[03:48] <kb3ui> Thanks - got your message cody-somerville
[03:49] <kb3ui> Would that be on the Launchpad site for Ubuntu?
[03:58] <cody-somerville> it would be :)
[03:59] <kb3ui> Ok.  I've already sent an e-mail to the Ubuntu webmaster, but I realize that's probably someone else.
[07:13] <owen1> i get "550 failed to open file" when trying to get a file from an ubuntu with vsftpd. any clues?
[07:27] <cody-somerville> What do you mean?
[08:02] <owen1> cody-somerville: i try to get a file from my server using vsftpd.
[08:02] <owen1> cody-somerville: and probably have permission issues. not sure.
[10:23] <tavasti> Is it possible to config Xorg in laptop so that external display can be used to extend display area when connected?
[10:23] <tavasti> with xrandr I can turn on second display, but is cannot be placed on right-of, left-of, top, bottom
[10:24] <tavasti> xrandr: screen cannot be larger than 1680x1600 (desired size 2832x1050)
[10:25] <TheSheep> !xinerama
[10:26] <tavasti> TheSheep, I know how to do it when both displays are connected on boot time
[10:27] <TheSheep> xrandr can only use the memory of your video card
[10:27] <TheSheep> so it has imits on how large the virtual display can be
[10:27] <TheSheep> imits
[10:27] <TheSheep> limits
[10:28] <tavasti> Ah, so memory is the limit, not config
[10:30] <tavasti> VideoRAM: 262144 kByte,  Max desktop size set to 2560x1600
[10:30] <tavasti> from Xorg.log
[10:31] <TheSheep> xinerama uses different technique, so it's not limited like that
[10:31] <tavasti> that value is bigger than given by Xrandr
[10:32] <tavasti> would running in 16bpp help?
[10:33] <TheSheep> no idea
[10:33] <tavasti> !DualHead
[12:52] <tavasti> tried, adding Xinerama "1" to server flags makes xorg not to work at all
[12:52] <tavasti> and DefaultDepth    16 doesn't change anything
[13:34] <tavasti> playing with aticonfig helps
[15:53] <UKGent> TheSheep I don't think that you are ever off-line !
[15:54] <TheSheep> why would I?
[15:55] <UKGent> lol er... sleep perhaps or the odd meeting , meals lol  mind you - I am getting as bad
[15:57] <UKGent> I am having a great 'trolling' campaign - aimed at clearing out as much of my 'friends' list on Facebook as I can manage.... another one gone this morning. I want to build up a worthwhile network of people to converse with - fed up with Facebook lol
[15:57] <UKGent> just keep that for family bulletins
[16:30] <UKGent> I like the video search on Totem - especially utube ... and is it my imagination but Totem seems to render ubube Vids really clearly ?
[16:30] <UKGent> sorry 'utube'
[16:30] <UKGent> Freudian slip lol
[16:40] <UKGent> When a document is reloaded in the default pdf viewer - it remembers your page and resumes where you left off - Hurray !
[16:42] <TheSheep> yeah, it also remembers the window size and position
[16:42] <Slonkie> Anyone know how to load a dictionary into openoffice? It's .otx file, i looked at their site but i were unable to find anything.
[16:43] <UKGent> TheSheep which is more than some proprietary systems do - it is things like that , which impress me...
[16:44] <TheSheep> good first impression consists of around 700 irrelevant details...
[17:02] <Slonkie> Anyone know how to make thunderbird minimize to "tray" (not sure this is the right name in xubuntu :P)
[17:09] <UKGent> Don't think it can without some sort of extension
[17:11] <Slonkie> well it's getting annoying that i have to use alltray everytime i want to minimize it.
[17:11] <UKGent> Slonkie - I was just about to suggest using Alltray
[17:12] <UKGent> I am pretty sure that Thunderbird has no native ability to minimise to the Tray
[17:13] <Slonkie> all right.
[17:13] <Slonkie> guess it can't keep up with outlook 07 then ;P
[17:13] <UKGent> There are extensions for Windows but I don't know of one for Linux - I will let you know if I find one !
[17:14] <Slonkie> Thanks UKGent saw those for windows too, stupid they diden't make one for linux too! :(
[17:15] <UKGent> Someone should make a suggestion maybe ;(
[17:35] <UKGent> Slonkie - have you tried file>Wizards>New Dictionaries   ?   You might have trouble with this if you are using Compiz  visual effects - if this is the case, just disable the effects whilst you use the Wizard
[17:36] <UKGent> sorry - it's 'Install New Dictionaries' ...
[17:54] <LinusTorvalds> it it normal that the configuration of language-pack-en-base takes over two hours during the installation?
[17:54] <LinusTorvalds> 64MB ram, 450MHz processor
[17:54] <charlie-tca> That would depend on the system.
[17:55] <charlie-tca> I am surprised that any desktop would install in 64MB ram
[17:55] <charlie-tca> and, yes, with that processor and ram
[17:56] <LinusTorvalds> ok, thanks
[17:56] <charlie-tca> I would suggest using a different name. With that name, you would be expected to be able to explain why that is so.
[17:56] <LinusTorvalds> haha, okay
[17:56] <UKGent> Perhaps it would have been better to install using the FSF membership card ...
[17:57] <UKGent> jk
[17:58] <UKGent> I was going to use Richard Stallman but was persuaded not to
[17:58] <charlie-tca> Yes, normally it is better not to use a living persons name
[18:00] <UKGent> charlie - I would never do any such thing really !  It would be nothing short of blasphemy !
[18:02] <moodog> evening :)
[18:04] <UKGent> moodog evening - although I will have to take a short break soon in order to cook a meal for myself and my sweet little grey haired Irish Mother (if you think I am kidding about this, you would be wrong) !
[18:04] <Slonkie> there is no "New Dictionaries" in wizards, UKGent. :(
[18:05] <UKGent> Slonkie - just something I read - I have not got Open Office on my system at present but I keep meaning to download it - when I do, I will take a look
[18:05] <Slonkie> Okay :P
[18:06]  * diabu is away: I'm busy
[18:06]  * diabu is back (gone 00:00:06)
[18:06]  * diabu is away: guitar
[18:06] <UKGent> I am glad it does not come ready packaged on xubuntu because it takes an eternity to install as part of a new installation
[18:06] <TheSheep> durt: please disable that
[18:06] <TheSheep> durt: sorry
[18:06] <TheSheep> diabu: please disable that
[18:06] <diabu> sorry <-
[18:06] <diabu> done
[18:06] <TheSheep> thanks :)
[18:08] <UKGent> I agree with leaving it to be installed later, rather than bundling it
[18:16] <UKGent> brb
[19:08] <Slonkie> Anyone in here using pyNeighborhood? :)
[19:08] <cody-somerville> Not I
[19:08] <cody-somerville> Although I packaged it
[19:09] <Slonkie> You know how to mount a network drive in it then? :D
[19:10] <Slonkie> or.. it's a windows network share folder
[19:13] <cody-somerville> I didn't have too much luck with it personally
[19:13] <Slonkie> no me neither
[19:34] <CppIsWeird> is there any linux equivalent to this program MemPad, http://home.mnet-online.de/horst.muc/wmem.htm the main feature I am referring to is the ability to create multiple sections in a text document in a tree like structure.
[19:58] <J_Litewski> what is unix2dos?
[19:59] <cody-somerville> unix and dos have different file line endings
[19:59] <cody-somerville> unix2dos is a tool to convert a text file from unix file line endings to dos ones
[19:59] <J_Litewski> ah
[19:59] <J_Litewski> is it in the repo?
[19:59] <Slonkie> sudo apt-cache search unix2dos ? :P
[19:59] <J_Litewski> i need it to flash my lappy's firmware
[20:00] <cody-somerville> The package is called tofrodos
[20:00] <Slonkie> i see tofrodos when searching
[20:00] <J_Litewski> sweet, ty
[20:01] <J_Litewski> since dell is too lazy to put the inspiron 1000 firmware updates in there repo, i have to flash in within GRUB
[20:03] <J_Litewski> hopefully the new BIOS will fix my MS-BIOS bug i get when i boot
[20:10] <Slonkie> hmm anyone know an application to capture pictures with my built in webcam? only place i can see it works is in skype
[20:10] <J_Litewski> where would i find memdisk at?
[20:10] <J_Litewski> in /
[20:10] <cody-somerville> memdisk?
[20:11] <J_Litewski> it's part of syslinux
[20:12] <J_Litewski> biosdisk needs it in the /boot directory
[20:12] <J_Litewski> so i need to copy it from where it's at to /boot
[20:15] <cody-somerville> do you mean memtest?
[20:16] <SiDi> Slonkie: cheese
[20:16] <J_Litewski> no, it says memdisk
[20:16] <SiDi> Slonkie: try "easycam" in order to configure your webcam, it works with a lot of webcams. and cheese allows you to record videos and photos
[20:16] <J_Litewski> ah, there we goo
[20:16] <cody-somerville> J_Litewski, Ubuntu doesn't usually use syslinux to boot
[20:16] <cody-somerville> J_Litewski, you found it? awesome :)
[20:17] <Slonkie> Thanks SiDi. i'll try it out.
[20:17] <J_Litewski> it needs it to load a firmware image
[20:17] <Slonkie> easycam is not in the reps :(
[20:17] <cody-somerville> Its probably loading dos, J_Litewski :P
[20:18] <J_Litewski> since my lappy doesn't have a floppy drive, and i can't find the firmware in dells repo, i need to load the image directly from the HDD
[20:18] <J_Litewski> it's quite a stretch, but hopefully it works
[20:26] <Slonkie> easycam diden't work, SiDi :(
[20:29] <J_Litewski> wish me luck cody-somerville, i'm going to try and flash the bios in GRUB
[20:29] <cody-somerville> Good luck!
[20:31] <SiDi> Slonkie: What computer do you have ?
[20:32] <Slonkie> It's a Acer Aspire 4530
[20:32] <SiDi> Okies
[20:34] <J_Litewski> damn
[20:35] <J_Litewski> the .exe i used can't be run in DOS mode
[20:35] <SiDi> http://www.linlap.com/wiki/acer+aspire+4530#linux+compatibility Slonkie
[20:35] <J_Litewski> but, biosdisk made a boot image
[20:35] <SiDi> there are drivers out there, but i guess you'll have to search for them :/
[20:35] <Slonkie> okay
[20:36] <Slonkie> not that important, i don't really use it anyway
[20:41] <J_Litewski> xfce is case sensitive?
[20:41] <J_Litewski> or is linux in whole case sensitive?
[20:46] <Slonkie> linux in whole
[20:54] <samu> Hey there, someone have time to help a first time user?
[20:55] <J_Litewski> darn, it didn't work...
[20:55] <J_Litewski> at least it didn't complsin snout it not being a dos executable file
[20:55] <J_Litewski> *complain about
[20:56] <samu> Is someone able to help me with HDD question
[20:56] <Slonkie> ??ask
[20:56] <Slonkie> please just ask your question, samu.
[20:56] <samu> Well, sorry first time here. Okay, I need help, I just installed Xubuntu on my 4.3gb Maxtor drive, but can't see my 160gb drive which contains all windows files
[20:57] <samu> Is this even possible?
[20:57] <Slonkie> yep
[20:57] <Slonkie> you'll have to mount the drive
[20:57] <samu> How's that done?
[20:58] <J_Litewski> is it a SATA, RAID, or IDE drive?
[20:59] <samu> ummm.....  SATA , I quess
[20:59] <SiDi> samu, post the output of "sudo fdisk -l" in paste.ubuntu.com, please
[21:00] <SiDi> we're going to explain you how to setup /etc/fstab for your windows partitions to be automatically mounted (mounted = "loaded") at system start
[21:01] <samu> pasted, It's in finnish
[21:02] <samu> Sorry
[21:02] <SiDi> Give us the link, please :p
[21:02] <samu> http://paste.ubuntu.com/141663/
[21:03] <samu> Sorry :)
[21:03] <SiDi> ok, what if you type, now, "sudo mkdir /media/Windows && sudo mount /dev/sda2 /media/Windows -t ntfs-3g" ?
[21:04] <SiDi> (if you're more curious about how a command works, you can type "man <command name>" to get the manual for this command, ie. man mkdir and man mount, here ;) )
[21:06] <samu> Creation of media/Windows failed
[21:06] <samu> file exists
[21:06] <SiDi> haha alright
[21:06] <SiDi> type the second part of the command only, then ;)
[21:07] <SiDi> This command is just to check that the drive mounts fine in /media/Windows
[21:07] <samu> Ok
[21:07] <SiDi> then we'll see how to automate the mount operation so that you don't have to do it
[21:07] <SiDi> (and btw, it should have been done automatically during the install :o)
[21:08] <samu> Well, it Didn't :)
[21:08] <samu> now I have done the second command
[21:08] <SiDi> damn
[21:08] <SiDi> oh, i thought you said "it didnt" about the second command
[21:09] <SiDi> what if you go in /media/Windows with your file explorer, now ? Can you see your windows files ?
[21:09] <samu> Actually, yes :))
[21:10] <samu> So many thanks to you SiDi  :) I appreciate your help very much
[21:10] <SiDi> alright
[21:10] <SiDi> wait, we didnt finish
[21:10] <samu> ?
[21:10] <SiDi> now, we'll open the file /etc/fstab that is responsible for mounting the partitions when your system boots
[21:10] <SiDi> and add a line that will automatically and definately mount your windows partition for you
[21:11] <samu> Ok
[21:11] <samu> I have the file open
[21:12] <SiDi> type "gksudo mousepad /etc/fstab" in order to open this file with mousepad text editor
[21:12] <SiDi> did you open it with gksudo or sudo ?
[21:12] <SiDi> it wont let you save it, either
[21:12] <SiDi> because only admins can modify it :p
[21:12] <SiDi> anyways, add this line : /dev/sda2     /media/Windows  ntfs        rw,user,auto        0    0
[21:13] <SiDi> then save, and at next boot it should already be mounted
[21:13] <samu> Ok thanks :)
[21:13] <SiDi> you're welcome
[21:13] <SiDi> feel free to come again if you have any questions :)
[21:13] <samu> Ok, C'ya :)
[21:14] <SiDi> See you
[21:14] <J_Litewski> SiDi, how do you remove something from the /boot directory?
[21:15] <SiDi> err, with sudo rm ? :P
[21:15] <SiDi> (note that i dont know what should NOT be removed :p)
[21:15] <J_Litewski>  kk, i have two bad flash files in that diredtory
[21:17] <sinbox> maybe rename theem insstead J_Litewski instead of deleting, just in case
[21:17] <J_Litewski> too late... :p
[21:22] <J_Litewski> well, i manually edited the menu.lst and deleted the directories relating to the files
[21:25] <SiDi> (dont delete your kernel, btw :D)
[21:26] <J_Litewski> i know that :P
[21:26] <J_Litewski> these had filenames i gave them
[21:26] <J_Litewski> so i knew i could delete thme without any risk
[21:27] <J_Litewski> I also did the same thing in windows for years
[21:30] <SiDi> See you people
[21:30] <J_Litewski> bye SiDi
[21:31] <SiDi> have fun with your /boot, J_Litewski :p
[21:31] <J_Litewski> will do
[21:48] <CppIsWeird> in Thunar i right click on the "Computer" icon and click on the icon and i get a display that says "Select an Icon for "Computer"" which presents me a list of icons. Where are these icons located?
[21:52] <cody-somerville> CppIsWeird, probably in /usr/share/pixmaps
[21:53] <cody-somerville> or /usr/share/images/
[21:53] <cody-somerville> or something like that
[21:53] <CppIsWeird> cody-somerville, i checked there, could not find them there
[21:53] <cody-somerville> They're there somewhere :)
[22:17] <CppIsWeird> in case anyone else asks, they are in /usr/share/icons/<Theme Name>
[23:35] <UKGent> Slonkie - If you have the latest version of Open Office 2.4 - you do just pull down the File Menu, then Wizards and you will see one for adding Dictionaries - simple !