[00:23] <nixternal> w00t, installed the new irssi :)
[00:23] <nixternal> packaged it first though, so if you want it, let me know
[00:24] <nixternal> irssi must follow debian quite a bit, because they incorporated about 75% of their patches
[00:28] <cbr> isn't it an april fools joke?
[00:31] <nixternal> actually it isn't
[00:32] <neversfelde> I will not believe anything today :D
[00:32] <dtchen> heh, we have a major milestone release at work today
[00:32] <dtchen> (today being 1 apr 2009)
[00:35] <JontheEchidna> neversfelde: will you believe your desktop about the weather? :D
[00:36] <neversfelde> JontheEchidna: it is Dubai weather, so if it is sunny, I will believe :D
[00:43] <ryanakca> nixternal: Hurra! Please :) Will they work on my Hardy server?
[01:24] <jjesse> JontheEchidna: trying to follow your weather post and get an error, posted as a comment on your blog what i'm getting in the terminal
[01:25] <JontheEchidna> jjesse: do you have kdelibs5-dev installed?
[01:25] <jjesse> hrmm don't know, let me check
[01:25] <jjesse> now i will
[01:26] <jjesse> did i miss that in the post
[01:26] <JontheEchidna> nope
[01:26] <vorian> nixternal: new irssi?
[01:26]  * vorian waves
[01:26] <JontheEchidna> jjesse: I could have said, "make sure you have the kdelibs development headers installed", would that have helped?
[01:27] <jjesse> i probablly would have screwed it up some anyways :)
[01:27] <JontheEchidna> jjesse: hehe. The rest of the stuff should be more foolproof
[01:28] <tsimpson> vorian: 0.8.13
[01:35] <jjesse> JontheEchidna: one more question: In file included from /home/jonathan/weather/weather.cpp:22:
[01:35] <jjesse> /home/jonathan/weather/weather.h:26:41: error: plasma/weather/weatherutils.h: No such file or directory
[01:35] <JontheEchidna> kdebase-workspace-dev
[01:36] <JontheEchidna> and that should really, really be it ;-)
[01:36] <jjesse> are you sure this tiem ?
[01:36] <JontheEchidna> pretty sure
[01:53] <jjesse> ok one more thing JontheEchidna, don't have weather under desktop settings, have image, slideshow and color
[01:54] <JontheEchidna> jjesse: after sudo make install and kbuildsycoca4?
[01:54] <jjesse> dang it forgot kbuildsycoca4
[01:54] <jjesse> i told you i'd screw it up
[01:54] <JontheEchidna> I am thinking I should just package it and put in in my ppa :)
[01:55] <jjesse> yup even after kbuildsycoca4
[01:55] <JontheEchidna> could you give the output of sudo make install?
[01:56] <jjesse> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/141781/
[01:56] <JontheEchidna> I think I messed up the cmake line
[01:56] <JontheEchidna> do a sudo make uninstall for starters
[01:56] <jjesse> d'oh
[01:56] <jjesse> don
[01:56] <JontheEchidna> cmake ../ -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/usr
[01:56] <JontheEchidna> make
[01:56] <JontheEchidna> sudo make install
[01:57] <JontheEchidna> kbuildsycoca4
[01:57] <jjesse> that did it
[01:57] <JontheEchidna> :)
[01:59] <jjesse> does it take a while to get the weather of the location?  or do some locations not work?
[01:59] <JontheEchidna> which location are you trying?
[02:00] <jjesse> all cities i've tried, grand rapdis, mi, london heathrow, detroit
[02:01] <JontheEchidna> ok, right now it will only work for the first city you specify
[02:01] <jjesse> hrmm ok
[02:01] <JontheEchidna> grand rapids was your first one?
[02:02] <jjesse> yes sir ;)
[02:02] <jjesse> my home town
[02:03] <JontheEchidna> ok, set it to grand rapids then do a kquitapp plasma, then alt + f2 and type plasma
[02:03] <JontheEchidna> just to be sure
[02:03] <JontheEchidna> do you have kdebase-workspace-wallpapers installed?
[02:04] <EagleScreen> kdebluetooth continue crashing for me always I tunr off my bluetooth device
[02:04] <jjesse> i do now
[02:04] <JontheEchidna> ok, kquitapp plasma, start it again
[02:05] <EagleScreen> i have seen similar bugs in launchpad, but all with invalid status due to an invalid backtrace, users cannot send good backtraces without debugging symbols
[02:05] <jjesse> JontheEchidna: thanks for helping me through my stupidness
[02:06] <JontheEchidna> jjesse: so you got it working? :D
[02:06] <jjesse> EagleScreen: running jaunty now and dont get as many crashes with kbuetoothd
[02:06] <jjesse> hold on still installing
[02:06] <JontheEchidna> this is a good reason why we have package managers, to handle dependencies like this
[02:06] <EagleScreen> i am running jaunty since Alpha6
[02:07] <EagleScreen> kbluetooth crash each time I disconnect my bluetooth adapter
[02:07] <EagleScreen> and it always fails sending a file to my cell phone
[02:08] <EagleScreen> I would like to help reporting backtraces, but I haven't find debugging symbols
[02:08] <jjesse> totatlly
[02:13] <vorian> wee
[02:13] <vorian> 03/31/09|18:15 CTCP VERSION reply from vorian: irssi v0.8.13
[02:14] <EagleScreen> anybody is interested in fixing kbluetooth?
[02:57] <neversfelde> vorian: do not like the new irssi. I can provide you an account on my quassel server :D
[02:59] <neversfelde> is there really a new irssi version, btw?
[03:00] <neversfelde> or an april fool hoax?
[03:02] <tsimpson> neversfelde: it's real, it was announced before 00:00
[03:02] <neversfelde> tsimpson: mhhh, "Posted by Geert on April 1st 2009."
[03:04] <neversfelde> I'll go to sleep and hopefully not wake up until 02/04/09 :D
[03:04] <neversfelde> gn8
[03:04] <tsimpson> I mean UTC, I got a wallop about it at [21:28] UTC
[03:28] <nixternal> ryanakca: I can do a hardy one if you would like
[03:42] <nixternal> ryanakca: just uploaded a Hardy version, when it finishes building I will let you know
[03:45] <vorian> neversfelde: quassel does not have the tools I need to do my irc thing
[03:45] <vorian> but thanks for the offer :)
[04:12] <nixternal> https://edge.launchpad.net/~nixternal/+archive/ppa
[04:12] <nixternal> ryanakca vorian ^^  new irssi packages for Hardy, Intrepid, and Jaunty
[04:48] <nhandler> nixternal: Do you have a link to the upstream changelog?
[04:51] <nixternal> nhandler: right on their front page
[05:01] <nhandler> nixternal: Thanks. I found it about a minute after I asked. I just finished reading through it
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[06:08] <a|wen> hmm, looks like the screen corruption issues on intel cards just got de-prioritized
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[09:25] <apachelogger_> Riddell: ping
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[10:59] <Riddell> apachelogger: you pinged?
[11:01] <apachelogger> Riddell: already got hooked up, I was a bit confused by apt wanting to install all of gnome when doing an dist-upgrade ;-)
[12:01] <a|wen> JontheEchidna: do we have any idea of how many are hit by the intel gfx problems? and if switching to UXA/XAA is a valid solution in most cases, or only for the few?
[12:03] <davmor2> Riddell: incomplete language support on an English install :(
[12:12] <a|wen> davmor2: on jaunty?
[12:12] <Riddell> a|wen: probably quite a lot suffer from it.  switching may or may not help, seems pretty random
[12:13] <Riddell> ask an actual X person for a better answer :)
[12:13] <davmor2> a|wen: yes jaunty today's iso
[12:14] <a|wen> Riddell: we got bruce to look at it; but he resigned from the bug again, so looks currently it doesn't look like much will happen to it
[12:15] <a|wen> davmor2: there was the same problem in intrepid; sounds like it is still not fixed then...
[12:16] <davmor2> a|wen: it wasn't affect installs up-to alpha5 but from alpha 6 on it's been playing up on and off again
[12:17] <a|wen> hmm; do we know how update-notifier-kde is supposed to detect those things
[12:28] <cumulus007> Apport pretty sucks... All of a sudden, it pops up with the question to enter my password
[12:28] <cumulus007> That's not very user-minded
[12:29] <cumulus007> And when it's reporting window opens, it places itselve on some random position on the screen
[12:29] <cumulus007> the progress bar stucks at the left side
[12:29] <cumulus007> it's gui looks like KDE 3
[12:33] <tsimpson> it's actually Qt4
[12:35] <a|wen> cumulus007: if it ask a password to start with it is probably because a application running as root crashed ... then apport runs as root and doesn't use your theme settings, and that is why it might look pretty bad
[12:35] <davmor2> cumulus007: that's because apport needs root access and can only have that if you type in your password :)
[12:36] <cumulus007> okay, but really, it shouldn't poup suddenly
[12:36] <cumulus007> It has an icon in the system tray
[12:36] <cumulus007> just let it open when the user clicks on that icon
[12:37] <cumulus007> Since I am a experienced user, I know what apport-qt does and what is it
[12:37] <cumulus007> on the other hand, the newbie, doesn't know that
[12:38] <a|wen> a kind of message / explanation before it try to gain root priviledges might not be a bad idea
[12:40] <cumulus007> a|wen: I think it shouldn't open without the user's permission at all
[12:40] <cumulus007> Ubuntu doesn't do it either
[12:40] <tsimpson> hmm, self.connect(self.apportWatch, SIGNAL("dirty(const QString &)"), self.runApport)
[12:41] <tsimpson> it does seem to just start from that, without any notification
[12:41] <cumulus007> tsimpson: exactly
[12:41] <cumulus007> and it's, as that line of source code says, dirty :P
[12:41] <tsimpson> looks like it only displays the icon & popup if there are pending crashes when it starts
[12:42] <a|wen> tsimpson: true on that
[12:43] <tsimpson> if it just connects to self.showApportIcon, then it should ask
[12:45] <cumulus007> asks through a Plasma notification
[12:46] <tsimpson> that would require significant changes
[12:47] <apachelogger> davmor2, Riddell: re missing language stuff in english ... it doesn't ship the openoffice l10n packages by default, which leads to that message
[12:47] <apachelogger> actually the metapackage for that is missing (though the meta also pulls in gimp, thunderbird and evolution)
[12:48] <apachelogger> by 9.10 koffice should be stable, so we can drop that stuff all along ;-)
[12:48] <a|wen> apachelogger: but seems you don't get the option to install anything? or was that only in intrepid
[12:48] <apachelogger> language-selector will come up and install the missing packages
[12:48] <apachelogger> dunno if it was that way in intrepid
[12:49] <a|wen> oh cool! ... in intrepid you got the language-selector; but english was greyed out so nothing could be installed
[12:49] <davmor2> apachelogger: :(
[12:50] <apachelogger> well, it installs half the gnome stack right now anyway :P
[12:50] <apachelogger> bug 352036
[12:50] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 352036 in language-support-translations-en "language-support-translations-* depends on gnome-user-guide-*" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/352036
[12:50] <davmor2> a|wen: you get the same thing now
[12:50] <apachelogger> davmor2: it worked here
[12:51] <apachelogger> though I fiddled with language-selector
[12:51] <davmor2> apachelogger: you just click on install and it all goes away so I'm not sure what it is doing
[12:52] <apachelogger> maybe it is broken
[12:52] <apachelogger> ...the notification thingy
[13:06] <JontheEchidna> whoa, nm-plasmoid commit activity
[13:16] <jussi01> JontheEchidna: quick question for you, do you know if the latest nvidia driver has been packaged? the stable release?
[13:16] <JontheEchidna> 180.44?
[13:17] <JontheEchidna> don't think so, but I saw a wishlist bug for it
[13:17] <jussi01> hrm... the one I read about on planet :D
[13:32] <seele> has anyone else got "let's talk about ubuntu" spam?
[13:34] <Riddell> not here
[13:34] <jpds> seele: from .dk?
[13:35] <jpds> I got that, and so did ubuntu-devel.
[13:35] <seele> hum.. this might be a real person
[13:36] <jpds> seele: google confirms.
[13:36] <seele> so weird.. i got it three times
[13:37] <seele> to my gmail account too
[13:42] <ScottK> seele: I got one directly and one via ubuntu-devel.
[13:42] <seele> yeah, google says ubuntu-server got it too
[14:05] <Mamarok> hi frim the OpenExpo in Bern
[14:05] <Riddell> hello OpenExpo!
[14:05] <Mamarok> sad I don't have any Kubuntu CDs left :(
[14:06] <Mamarok> *from, of course :)
[14:06] <Riddell> intrepid ones are in short support generally
[14:06] <Mamarok> Riddell: I know, let's hope there will be more for Jaunty
[14:06] <Riddell> there will be
[14:06] <Mamarok> great :)
[14:30] <Quintasan> Hi
[14:52] <siekacz> hello
[15:11] <a|wen> hi both of you
[15:18] <jjesse> hello
[15:20] <m4v> hi I'm testing the beta, have anyone noticed that amarok doesn't build a collection in a new user?
[15:22] <a|wen> m4v: don't you just need to specify the collection directory first?
[15:22] <m4v> sep, that's where it does nothing
[15:22] <m4v> yep*
[15:25] <a|wen> okay, that sounds kinda wrong then
[15:32] <m4v> i pick the directory, then click rescan collection, the progress bar shows briefly, but nothing is created, like if the picked dir were devoid of music (it is not). And the console output shows nothing wrong, so I have no clue.
[15:32] <m4v> I should probably fill a bug
[15:38] <rgreening> Tonio_: is there a new kpackagekit?
[15:39] <rgreening> just wondering if we are up to date
[15:44] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: ping
[15:45] <apachelogger> Riddell, Tonio_: please push at least updated translations, if not a whole new release of kpackagekit :)
[15:45] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: plong
[15:48] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: anything for me to do?
[15:48] <JontheEchidna> hmm
[15:48] <JontheEchidna> help us not die under the recent explosion of bugs?
[15:48] <apachelogger> btw, kdesdk needs a triage session + upstream needs to do some triage in kate
[15:49] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: anywhere I should start killing?
[15:49] <JontheEchidna> It'd be nice if workspace could get back under 150 bugs
[15:49] <apachelogger> besides... bugs == good, untriaged bugs == bad :P
[15:49] <JontheEchidna> I think a third of workspace is now "new"
[15:50] <apachelogger> oh dear
[15:50] <JontheEchidna> and there has been a recent trend of ubuntu "triagers" throwing anything kubuntu related at kdebase and nothing else
[15:50] <apachelogger> 166 results
[15:50] <apachelogger> that is not too bad
[15:50] <JontheEchidna> yeah, but it makes me have to not be lazy
[15:50] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: a) mail them b) mail ubuntu-bugs c) blog about it
[15:51] <apachelogger> if they don't know where it belongs they shall consult with someone who knows
[15:51] <JontheEchidna> I mean, at least when I push things lower down in the software stack I usually request the needed info
[15:52] <astromme> JontheEchidna: Wow, you're already getting flack from that weather blog posting. /sigh @ trolls
[15:52] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: well, throw a complaint at the ubuntu-bugs team
[15:53] <JontheEchidna> astromme: hehe, I'll attribute that to aseigo linking to my blog, since he gets a lot of "flack followers" :P
[15:53]  * astromme laughs =). So true
[15:54] <apachelogger> shouldn't bug 352946 be ... like fixed?
[15:54] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 352946 in kdebase-workspace "~/.gtkrc-2.0-kde4 gets deleted on login" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/352946
[15:55] <Riddell> apachelogger: poke Tonio_?
[15:55] <apachelogger> Tonio_: poke
[15:55]  * apachelogger actually reviewed the code and considered it sane :P
[15:55] <nixternal> http://www.ubuntu-hr.org/  <- hehe, quite funny, but I have to admit, that is a gorgeous site theme :)
[15:56] <apachelogger> seen better
[15:56] <Riddell> revu needed  http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/taglib-extras
[15:56] <freinhard> got the apport "!" in systray and next to it the update-notifier icon. right click on apport shows the update-notifier menue?
[15:56] <freinhard> looks like a bug...
[15:57] <apachelogger> <3 oxygen @ revu :D
[15:57] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: thank ncommander for that one
[15:57] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: how so?
[15:57] <Riddell> freinhard: what's in the options?
[15:57] <NCommander> What did I do?
[15:57] <JontheEchidna> he's the one that got the oxygen in for revu
[15:57] <JontheEchidna> NCommander: ^
[15:57] <apachelogger> he just did the politics :P
[15:58] <JontheEchidna> hehe
[15:58] <JontheEchidna> I'm just glad that they haven't reverted to orange
[15:58] <NCommander> apachelogger gave me the branch with the code, I just merged.
[15:58] <NCommander> JontheEchidna, I've actively blocked that :-)
[15:59] <apachelogger> Riddell: you have a whitespace hell in copyright :P
[16:00] <Riddell> apachelogger: end of lines?
[16:00] <apachelogger> yep
[16:00] <Riddell> if a devil ever sentenced me to eternity in whitespace hell, I'd consider myself to have got off quite lightly
[16:01]  * Quintasan wonders wheter his translations were approved
[16:05] <apachelogger> Riddell: Section: libs for Package: libtag-extras0 is redundant with the one in the source stanza
[16:05] <apachelogger> Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com:80/142117/
[16:06] <a|wen> m4v: i'll test next time i get the chance if it does the same here
[16:06] <apachelogger> Riddell: otherwise good with me
[16:08] <freinhard> Riddell: besides the title "Update Notifier" just close.
[16:08] <apachelogger> Riddell: can I archive?
[16:09] <freinhard> Riddell: i guess Apport does not have any context menue and systemtray fails?
[16:09] <apachelogger> NCommander: whom do I thank for revu improvements?
[16:10] <NCommander> apachelogger, I'm the one who intergrated it with Launchpad, and wrote the PPA upgrader (and scrapped the blue color). RainCT made it pretty and redid the details page.
[16:10] <NCommander> apachelogger, and you gave us Oxygen
[16:10] <apachelogger> NCommander: ppa upgrader?
[16:11] <NCommander> *uploader
[16:11] <NCommander> sorry, brain freeze
[16:11] <apachelogger> ppa uploader?
[16:11] <NCommander> apachelogger, REVU can access your PPA and upload directly from it.
[16:11] <apachelogger> Oo
[16:11] <apachelogger> how awesome is that
[16:11] <NCommander> http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/import.py
[16:11] <jpds> ScottK: Got your RT ticket moving.
[16:11] <NCommander> It was the first feature to be written, and the last to land.
[16:11] <jpds> (for shipit.kubuntu.org correction).
[16:11] <ScottK> jpds: Thanks.
[16:12] <Riddell> freinhard: that's expected then
[16:12] <apachelogger> that said
[16:12] <apachelogger> can we haz paste.kubuntu.org?
[16:12] <Riddell> freinhard: apport's systray icon is handled by update-notifier-kde
[16:12] <freinhard> Riddell: totally confusing.
[16:12] <Riddell> freinhard: maybe the menu could be patched to make the header more obvious I'm not sure
[16:12] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: think bug 348659 is an ice bug?
[16:12] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 348659 in kdebase-workspace "ksmserver crashed with SIGSEGV in _IceTransGetConnectionNumber()" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/348659
[16:13] <apachelogger> NCommander: btw, can't the buttons identify as buttons so they get sensible theming? .. or is my konqui broken?
[16:13] <NCommander> apachelogger, the later I think
[16:14] <jpds> ScottK: Apparently the Launchpad folks have to deal with it. I'll get back to you as soon as I know something.
[16:14] <ScottK> jpds: OK.  Whatever you learn, remember it as we'll need it again in a few weeks ....
[16:14] <ScottK> Thanks.
[16:15] <JontheEchidna> <3 the new ajaxy duplication marker on edge
[16:16] <apachelogger> +1
[16:16] <apachelogger> NCommander: weird though
[16:17] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: possibly ... I am not sure
[16:17] <apachelogger> ice is magic to me :P
[16:17] <JontheEchidna> ksmserver crashes are unusal, unless you have nonfree drivers
[16:17] <apachelogger> ah
[16:17] <apachelogger> oh
[16:17] <apachelogger> uh
[16:17] <apachelogger> startkde is flawed indeed
[16:18] <JontheEchidna> D:
[16:18] <apachelogger> it removes the kde4 .gtkrc if kds or qtcurve is not installed
[16:18] <apachelogger> but there is still the case where the gtk-qt-engine is installed
[16:19] <JontheEchidna> maybe check for the gtk-qt .so?
[16:19] <apachelogger> aye
[16:19] <apachelogger> just needs a small addition to the if
[16:19] <a|wen> NCommander: the buttons are made as <button> instead of <input> which is why they are not styled
[16:24] <apachelogger> Tonio_: please take a look at bug 352946
[16:24] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 352946 in kdebase-workspace "~/.gtkrc-2.0-kde4 gets deleted on login" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/352946
[16:24] <apachelogger> didn't do QA on the change ;-)
[16:25] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: bug 352966
[16:25] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 352966 in kdebase-workspace "[Kubuntu] Saving session works terrible" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/352966
[16:25] <apachelogger> options are: kde crashes on login before ksmserver saves the session or: that dude is not using autosave, but that save-on-user-request thingy
[16:27] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: bug 312569 ... the option is directed to kdesudo, it just happens to be incompatible with kdesu's options (check --help for both in kde4's libexec path)
[16:27] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 312569 in kdesudo "Unable to make any changes in Date / Time kcontrol" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/312569
[16:27] <apachelogger> Tonio_: someone needs to squash that ^
[16:28] <apachelogger> it underminds the very principle of using kdesudo as a kdesu replacement
[16:28] <apachelogger> *undermines
[16:28] <m4v> a|wen: drop me a line when you do
[16:28] <ScottK> I thought we were removing gdebi-kde from kubuntu-desktop?
[16:29] <apachelogger> ScottK: how so?
[16:29] <jpds> ScottK: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/shipit/+bug/353212
[16:29] <ubottu> Ubuntu bug 353212 in shipit "kubuntu shipit still partly refers to hardy" [Undecided,New]
[16:29] <ScottK> apachelogger: Doesn't kdpackagekit replace it?
[16:29]  * apachelogger checks
[16:30] <apachelogger> does indeed
[16:30] <apachelogger> kill it!
[16:30] <ScottK> jpds: Thanks.
[16:30] <ScottK> Riddell: ^^^ ?
[16:31] <apachelogger> also, I am wondering ... wouldn't it be possible to use kpk as replacement for install-package as well?
[16:31] <apachelogger> AFAIK install-package is basically an automizer for gdebi, so it should at least be possible to exchange gdebi with kpk
[16:31] <Riddell> ScottK: hmm?
[16:32] <Riddell> apachelogger: that requires code, probably not hard but still code
[16:32] <ScottK> Ah.
[16:32] <Riddell> apachelogger: gdebi is already replaced with kpackagekit
[16:32] <apachelogger> Riddell: well, longterm target
[16:33] <apachelogger> hm
[16:33] <Riddell> but gdebi is still brought onto the CD by install-package because it shares some classes
[16:33] <apachelogger> ScottK: install-package still depends on gdebi-kde
[16:33] <Riddell> wouldn't be hard to fix that, just moving files around
[16:33] <ScottK> Probably not worth worrying about at this point then.
[16:33] <apachelogger> aye
[16:33] <apachelogger> I only got 3 apps associated with debs :D
[16:34] <apachelogger> Riddell: kpk should get an initial preference setting in it's desktop file though ... to make sure gdebi doesn't become default unless the user chooses to do that
[16:36] <Riddell> apachelogger: it does, I added InitialPreference=10 to /usr/share/applications/kde4/kpackagekit.desktop
[16:36] <apachelogger> ok, I am all happy then :)
[16:37] <apachelogger> bug 351463 sounds really like the issue is related to xscreensaver, my pam can't be at fault here :P
[16:37] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 351463 in kdebase-workspace "KDE4 screensaver lock doesn't accept password" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/351463
[16:37] <jussi01> JontheEchidna: you around?
[16:37] <JontheEchidna> jussi01: yup
[16:46] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: bug 346655 ... how to treat that?
[16:46] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 346655 in kdebase-workspace "System settings will not allow me to change my user image." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/346655
[16:46] <JontheEchidna> whoa, that's weird
[16:46] <apachelogger> well
[16:46] <apachelogger> no
[16:47] <apachelogger> kdm by default disallows images, since there once was a security issue in the gif lib, which made kdm usable to gain root access or something
[16:47] <Quintasan> "It is recommended to plug in your computer before proceeding."  <-- It means to plug power cable to your laptop or what?
[16:47] <apachelogger> so from then on images are off by default, which is probably what the nice dialog is trying to say
[16:48] <apachelogger> Quintasan: sounds like it
[16:48] <JontheEchidna> maybe it should only show the change image stuff if images are on in kdmrc?
[16:48] <apachelogger> maybe
[16:48] <apachelogger> though, maybe that is the error message if no kdm is installed at all?
[16:49] <apachelogger> that possibly needs investigation :S
[16:49] <JontheEchidna> systemsettings in general needs investigation :P
[16:49] <apachelogger> nah
[16:49] <apachelogger> it needs policykit :P
[16:50] <JontheEchidna> oh, that reminds me. We need to apply an upstream kwin patch to not use the "fade on admin prompt" effect of policykit-kde
[16:51] <JontheEchidna> that could be done after 4.2.2 is uploaded though
[16:54] <ctp> hi folks. how does jaunty handle kde-apps beeing not ported to qt4? e.g. keepassx?
[16:54] <apachelogger> like strangers
[16:54] <ScottK> ctp: The same as Intrepid did pretty much.
[16:54] <apachelogger> ctp: depends on the definition of handle ;-)
[16:57] <ctp> apachelogger: if some apps do need different qt3 branches, is it ok for jaunty or should i expect truble?
[16:57] <apachelogger> ctp: qt3 branches?
[16:58] <apachelogger> the qt3 libs are still available and you will be able to compile any qt3-only application against them
[16:58] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: do you get bug 343588
[16:58] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 343588 in kdebase-workspace "Kubuntu Jaunty - System Monitor (ksysguard) showing different memory/cpu values and graphs than top" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/343588
[16:59] <ctp> apachelogger: ok, thx for info
[16:59] <apachelogger> ctp: you're very welcome :)
[16:59] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: I'd say it's invalid
[17:00] <apachelogger> reason?
[17:00] <JontheEchidna> because top and ksysguard's outputs aren't supposed to be identical
[17:00] <JontheEchidna> they show different things
[17:00] <JontheEchidna> by default, anyways
[17:01] <ctp> btw. would you recommend to install jaunty today for daily work? is it still buggy under some circumstances (apps, libs) or is it buggy generally? i tried hardy some weeks before beeing released. it was ok.
[17:01] <apachelogger> hm
[17:01] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: the X value is off by 4MiB
[17:02] <ScottK> ctp: There is still significant work going on, so unless you are prepared to work through inadvertent breakage, you should wait.
[17:02] <apachelogger> that is however virt, which usually varies a lot anyway, doesn't it?
[17:02] <JontheEchidna> yeah
[17:02] <JontheEchidna> memory usage in linux is hard to measure objectively, and data can easily be misinterpreted
[17:03] <ScottK> And since they sample asynchronously it'd be stunning if they were the same.
[17:04] <m4v> uh, kpackagekit doesn't prompt for passwd for me, it just fails "you're not root"
[17:05] <ctp> ScottK: ok, thx for info. i'll give it a try on one of my boxes ;-)
[17:14] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: please check if you want to add anything to my comment
[17:14] <apachelogger> I got 4 phone calls while writing it, so I am not quite sure it makes sense anymore :P
[17:23] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: bug 343714
[17:23] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 343714 in kdebase-workspace "Kubuntu Jaunty KDE 4.2 very high memory usage" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/343714
[17:23] <apachelogger> IMHO firefox is to blame
[17:33] <apachelogger> bug 344706 is fun :D
[17:33] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 344706 in kdebase-workspace "Substraction gives erroneous result" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/344706
[17:33] <a|wen> apachelogger: and you can tell him, that ~40% of his ram is used for cache+buffers ... which is better than having it sit idle
[17:34] <apachelogger> a|wen: not if the system is sluggish :P
[17:35] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: lol, somebody thought it would be a good idea to make a bug for every memory leak ever
[17:35]  * JontheEchidna remembered seeing it the other day
[17:35] <JontheEchidna> a generic "memory leak" bug
[17:36] <a|wen> apachelogger: well we can agree on the blame firefox part
[17:36] <apachelogger> a|wen: please move the bug :)
[17:36]  * apachelogger moved on to that krunner bug
[17:36] <JontheEchidna> I just moved it to firefox-.30
[17:36] <apachelogger> ah, thx
[17:36] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: wanna file the krunner bug upstream?
[17:37] <apachelogger> better yet, poke aseigo with it ;-)
[17:37] <a|wen> :)
[17:37] <JontheEchidna> the krunner subtraction bug?
[17:37] <JontheEchidna> oh, yeah
[17:37]  * JontheEchidna just finished backlog
[17:40] <apachelogger> a|wen: bug 330419 ... gnome bug?
[17:40] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 330419 in kdebase-workspace "GNOME+Kwin: desktops aren't drawn" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/330419
[17:41] <apachelogger> kwin does not really do the desktop rendering, and since gnome apparently knows of the additional desktop setups it ought to render them upon switch
[17:41] <apachelogger> or maybe kwin needs to send the gnome desktop a signal upon virtual desktop switch?
[17:41] <apachelogger> needs a gnome consult IMHO
[17:45] <a|wen> sounds kind of strange ... no idea what could result in that; could as well be kwin as gnome
[17:47] <apachelogger> that stuff always caused issues
[17:47] <apachelogger> I am not even sure if it is supposed to work
[17:47] <ctp> would you recommend kubuntu jaunty as 32 or as 64 bit version on a amd64 desktop? i see no really use for 64-bit arch on desktop ;-)
[17:47] <apachelogger> it certainly never did for compiz IIRC
[17:48] <apachelogger> gotta run
[17:49] <apachelogger> a|wen: please keep an eye on ubuntu-devel, I threw the question out there
[17:49] <apachelogger> ctp: #kubuntu might be better suited for that question :)
[17:49] <a|wen> apachelogger: i'll do that
[17:49] <apachelogger> thx
[17:54] <mgraesslin> apachelogger: I just read the backlog and the bug report - I think it's user error
[17:55] <mgraesslin> the user has to change the number of desktops with gnome pager - as in KDE you have to change in KDE's pager
[17:56] <a|wen> mgraesslin: sounds very probable ... do you add a comment to the bug?
[17:56] <mgraesslin> yeah I will
[17:57] <a|wen> cool
[17:57] <a|wen> thx :)
[17:58] <maco> ScottK: got the backtrace
[17:58] <ScottK> maco: Pastebin?
[17:58] <maco> well i think i did....was odd, it stopped responding and gdb said quassel segfaulted, but then after i got the backtrace and all, and quit, it said the program was still running
[18:00] <maco> http://paste.ubuntu.com/142187/
[18:00] <ScottK> maco: Quassel puts it's own backtraces is ~/.config/quassel-irc.org
[18:00] <maco> i see crash logs...are those backtraces?
[18:01] <ScottK> Yes.
[18:01] <maco> oh ok ive got 9 in thre rght now
[18:01] <ScottK> Did you have quassel-client-dbgsym/quassel-dbgsym installed?
[18:01] <ScottK> I see missing symbols in your gdb trace.
[18:02] <ScottK> Sput: Any help for you ^^^
[18:02] <maco> i have both of those
[18:02] <ScottK> OK.  Odd.
[18:02] <maco> the ones in my ~/.config/quassel-irc.org/ wouldve been when i had quassel-dbgsym but not quassel-client-dbgsym
[18:04] <ScottK> If you have any that have all the symbols, I know Sput is deeply interested.
[18:05] <Sput> that one again :(
[18:06] <Sput> ScottK: how long would a crash fix be able to go in?
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[18:06] <Sput> I won't be able to do anything tonight, I might try and hunt for it tomorrow night though
[18:06] <Sput> provided I get a backtrace with all symbols until then
[18:06] <ScottK> A crash we can even do a post-release update for if we have to.
[18:07] <ScottK> maco seems to have a 'special' system in which the Heisenburg variables align to make the crash happen a lot.
[18:08] <jussi01> maco: has a "special" system anyway... :P
[18:08] <maco> yeah yeah joke about my heisenbug curse
[18:08] <ScottK-laptop> ScottK: Ping
[18:08] <maco> scott, what are you DOing?
[18:08] <ScottK> Sput: Notification thing works.
[18:08]  * jussi01 huggles maco
[18:09] <Sput> \o/
[18:09] <Sput> seele will be happy :)
[18:09] <ScottK> maco: Testing a fix to a Quassel notifcations problem.
[18:09] <maco> ScottK: and it doesnt crash much anymore. i simply never ever ever hide any buffers via right-click!
[18:09] <Sput> she tends to curse about that
[18:09] <maco> as long as all buffers are visible, its perfect stable
[18:10] <seele> Sput: ooh, click to open?
[18:10] <Sput> maco: well, if it were only you... but for some reason, several people get that... and I think it started not too long ago even though we didn't touch the code, plus I've never been able to get a backtrace that contained all the symbols
[18:10] <Sput> seele: if the plasma thing sends the signals for you (which it often doesn't for me), it should work
[18:10] <maco> symbol table corruption? can that happen?
[18:11] <Sput> maco: as it stands now, I have a few locations to poke if we missed something obvious (checking for the model to be valid, stuff like that), but since I can't reliably reproduce myself, it'd be hit and miss
[18:12] <maco> Sput: i no longer buy the whole stability argument in favor of FOSS. KMail falls over on IMAP, Evolution crashes on every category except mail, the kernel's always falling over on my machne, Firefox...well, we all know how Firefox is...*shrug*
[18:12] <Sput> having a full backtrace with line numbers etc (that wouldn't only be the symbols but also Quassel compiled with -DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=Debugfull, which I don't likely get out of a kubuntu user) would go a long way pinpointing the location
[18:12] <maco> Sput: if you rght click and "hide buffer temporarily" on a bunch of buffers in a row, it handles it fine?
[18:12] <Sput> maco: well, I could tell you how often my wintendo box crashes :)
[18:13] <Sput> maco: yeah does for me, but I'll play around with that more
[18:13] <Sput> tomorrow
[18:13] <maco> Sput: trust me, 9 years of windows v. 9 months of linux. the kernel panics FAR outnumber the bsods
[18:13] <Sput> hoping that a crash fix if I happen to find one can go into Jaunty regardless of whatever deadline you guys have upcoming :)
[18:13] <maco> crashers usually get through easily
[18:13] <Sput> maco: I must say my kernel runs very reliably :)
[18:14] <Sput> and since I stopped using fglrx, all that sometimes fails is resuming from suspend
[18:14] <maco> ill try rebuilding the package with that setting
[18:14] <maco> yeah same with on my old laptop
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[18:14] <maco> the 9 month laptop....only recently did it reliably get an uptime > 1 day
[18:14] <Sput> but anyway, open source doesn't magically create bugfree software
[18:14] <maco> yeah
[18:14] <Sput> there is still tens of millions lines of code in the system
[18:14] <Sput> it contains way less bugs-per-line than commercial software, but it still contains enough bugs :)
[18:15] <Sput> I'd wager many bugs get fixed much more quickly in FOSS though, in particular if it's reproducable and users provide the necessary information
[18:15] <maco> i need to get around toopening up my laptops and swapping the wireless card so i can prove that its iwlagn. even though my brother and i have matching laptops, with exception of wireless card
[18:16] <Sput> my unstable KDE4 desktop from trunk, on top of a git X11 and a git kernel runs much more reliably than vista for me, and I'm not using vista very often (just as a game loader every now and then)... still crashes more often for me :)
[18:16] <Sput> then again, I am able to kill any windows installation
[18:17] <Sput> just by coming near it and trying to use it
[18:17] <maco> there are 2 devs that say im not allowed to touch their hardware *shrug*
[18:18] <maco> they think if i touch it, it'll auto-brick
[18:18] <maco> like my keyboards...and mice...and mp3 player...and motherboard
[18:18] <maco> *clears throat* anyway....
[18:21] <maco> http://paste.ubuntu.com/142197/
[18:21] <maco> that of any use sput?
[18:21] <Sput> maco: no :(
[18:22] <maco> ok
[18:22] <Sput> I get a feeling that backtraces won't help much here
[18:22] <Sput> it's Qt that gets invalid data from *somewhere*
[18:22] <Sput> meh
[18:22] <Sput> will have a look tomorrow
[18:23] <maco> heh at least quassel can connect to ipv6
[18:23] <maco> (the only reason i'm using it)
[18:25] <ScottK-laptop> ScottK: Ping
[18:25] <ScottK> Very shiny.
[18:26] <Riddell> talking to yourself? :)
[18:26] <Sput> Zarin was nice enough to tell me how to bypass that focus stealing prevention thingy :)
[18:28] <maco> i dont see any notifications...
[18:28] <ScottK-laptop> Riddell: Yes, testing Sput's notification fix.
[18:29] <maco> oh not packaged yet?
[18:29] <maco> or oh im confused
[18:29] <gon> where can i found this plasmoid?
[18:29] <gon> http://blog.ratonred.com/2009/01/a-new-stuff-with-the-power-of-plasma/
[18:29] <maco> is kde doing notification stuff to?
[18:30] <maco> or kubuntu or whatever
[18:31] <ScottK> maco: When you get highlighted and Qaussel isn't on top, you should get a notification.  The fix is to make it so you have something to click on and bring quassel to the front.  This used to ~work before we turned on KDE integration.
[18:31] <gon> I want a service-manager-plasmoid  :S
[18:31] <JontheEchidna> jjesse: btw, did you ever get the wallpaper working?
[18:32] <maco> ah ok
[18:32] <maco> so *exactly* the opposite of canonical? *giggle*
[18:36] <jjesse> maco: hopefully :)
[18:36] <jjesse> JontheEchidna: still shows that i don't have the weather for that location
[18:39] <a|wen> m4v: you need to click apply before the "rescan" button work ... however if you just select the folder and click ok it starts scanning the selected dir
[18:43] <Sput> maco: well, as seele has pointed out in her study, and based on a lot of user feedback including my own, people want to be able to click on a notification to see the program that caused it :)
[18:43] <Sput> I prefer going with that rather than gnomifica^Wcrippling my software
[18:43] <m4v> a|wen: meh, I restarted amarok and out of the blue started scanning everything correctly, just when I was about to report it
[18:43]  * m4v deletes amaroks config and tests again
[18:44] <Sput> ScottK: did you notice that I even manage to switch to the correct buffer now? can't scroll to the line for now, but it should be the most recent anyway
[18:44] <ScottK> Sput: I didn't, but that is totally excellent.
[18:45] <a|wen> m4v: don't know what happened there ... but does seems not to be the general case
[18:47] <maco> Sput: oh im one of those users
[18:47] <ScottK> Sput: Sure enough it does.  Excellent.
[18:47] <Sput> maco: haven't actually met one who *didn't* want to be able to interact with that type of notifications (transient information, like "user went online", is something different of course)
[18:49] <m4v> a|wen: agreed, my pc was drunk after the update apparently
[18:49]  * a|wen needs to restart after the alsalibs update a day or two ago ... sound is kind of on/off for me
[18:50] <a|wen> but well ... as almost the only thing, can i get amarok to play some sound; so still pending
[18:51] <ScottK> Sput: Uploaded.  Thank you.
[18:51] <Tscheesy> nixternal: there are some "ugly" mistakes in the Jaunty Kubuntu-docs, e.g. default Pakagemanager Adept
[18:52] <Sput> ScottK: very welcome.
[18:52] <Sput> let's just hope I find that Heisenbug soon...
[18:52] <nixternal> Tscheesy: which doc is that in?
[18:52] <Tscheesy> in add-applications
[18:53] <Tscheesy> and everywhere a Installation is described
[18:53] <nixternal> grr...it will have to live there for jaunty...could you file a bug report on that please?
[18:53] <Tscheesy> i'll do.. in half an hour ;)
[18:55] <jjesse> nixternal: i see my speeling on add-applications is great
[18:55] <jjesse> sorry about the Tscheesy
[18:55]  * maco checks kontact's docs to see if they still say "TODO"
[18:56] <Tscheesy> jjesse : nP.. i'm in the support-chan anyway :D
[18:56] <maco> uh ok yeah kaddressbook's screenshots are *all wrong*
[18:56] <nixternal> jjesse: i swore I fixed the default installer app though..but I might be going crazy, maybe I did that in about kubuntu or something
[18:57] <nixternal> totaly forgot that add apps was you, so Tscheesy it is all jjesse's fault
[18:57] <nixternal> YES!!! FOR ONCE YOU CAN'T BLAME ME!!!
[18:57] <nixternal> muhahahahahhaha
[18:57] <maco> when the akonadi part of the kaddressbook help says "to be written" does that mean the backend's not in existence yet, or does that mean the docs need to be written
[18:57] <nixternal> maco: heh, kdepim docs haven't been touch in probably 3 years
[18:57] <nixternal> maco: I actually wrote that part :p
[18:57] <Tscheesy> german Translation is partly ahead ;)
[18:58] <maco> well uh kaddressbook for kde4 and for kde3 look way different
[18:58]  * nixternal has to check, but there is a possibility he might be the owner of KDEPIM docs upstream
[18:58] <nixternal> maco: want to help fix all of that :)
[18:59] <nixternal> I can get you started....I will put you in contact with Allen Winters and you can send patches to either him or I for upload :D
[18:59] <maco> i can help with screnshots, but seeing as i was relying ont he help file to tell me how to use kaddressbook....
[18:59] <maco> currently, my contacts and calendar stuff are still in evolution. i cant figure out how to put them in akonadi
[19:00] <nixternal> that is why my focus for the next few months will be upstream yet again...it needs a lot of love
[19:00] <maco> gsoc idea: teach akonadi to read from evolution data server *seamlessly* and evolution data server to do the same to akonadi
[19:00] <nixternal> maco: I didn't think that was all tied in to akonadi just yet...i thought they were waiting until akonadi was 100% complete... toma and i were just talking about that the other day
[19:01] <maco> right now, you can kinda import from one tothe other and then they dont stay in sync and only half the data transfers anyway
[19:01] <nixternal> but for some reason, i am drawing a blank on what was said :)
[19:02] <maco> i got  korganizer to pull an evolution calendar as an ics, but it lost the calendar name
[19:02] <maco> so its name is like calendar-liaywty876siuyg7aya.ics
[19:03] <maco> the categories are lost on import as well. instead of "hey, there's a category i dont have in my list, let me add it", korganizer says "haven't seen that category before, throw it away"
[19:03] <maco> seems like the wrong way to do things :(
[19:06] <nixternal> i was able to sync my google cal with korganizer...but i lost my damn script that was helping me...so now I can just pull from my google cal and not upload
[19:07] <maco> i think its *finally* fixed in jaunty so evolution can handle google calendards right
[19:07] <maco> it still doesnt do gmail as nicely as kmail does though
[19:13] <Tscheesy> nixternal : jjesse: Bug 353327
[19:13] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 353327 in kubuntu-docs "Default Package Manager has to be changed" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/353327
[19:17] <nixternal> Tscheesy: thank you sir!  jjesse that one has your name written all over it :p
[19:17] <jjesse> nixternal: assign me pleaze
[19:19] <apachelogger> fist time I went to a beergarden this year and already got a sunburn :S
[19:19] <nixternal> jjesse: done
[19:20] <apachelogger> mgraesslin: shouldn't kwin hide the virtual desktop setting then? or does it need to be set in both?
[19:29] <mgraesslin> apachelogger: I'm not sure
[19:29] <mgraesslin> the wm has to set the desktops
[19:30] <mgraesslin> but the pager is allowed to set them
[19:30] <apachelogger> mgraesslin: I am installing a gnome desktop right now
[19:30] <apachelogger> if both need to be set, it probably could use some usability improvements :)
[19:30] <mgraesslin> I don't think that both have to be set
[19:38] <apachelogger> mgraesslin: would you mind looking at bug 328759 please
[19:38] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 328759 in kdebase-workspace "Kwin effects fail after resume from suspend to RAM" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/328759
[19:40] <a|wen> hmm, quassel using 159M of physical memory (virtual 507M) is that normal?
[19:48] <apachelogger> a|wen: depends on the amount of backlog
[19:49] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: did you forward the krunner calc bug?
[19:52] <apachelogger> hm
[19:53] <apachelogger> a|wen: should I convert bug 303576 to a question ... not last line ;-)
[19:53] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 303576 in kdebase-workspace "KDM is killing my keyboard (and others)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/303576
[19:53] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: oops, forgot
[19:53] <apachelogger> meh :P
[19:54] <JontheEchidna> I was looking for existing reports, then got sidetracked
[19:55] <smarter> you really need patience to svn co WebKit
[19:56] <gon> hello guys
[19:56] <gon> anyone has news about service manager plasmoid?
[19:58] <a|wen> apachelogger: could probably not hurt ... did he get compiz to partly replace kwin, then that might be what kills stuff for him
[19:59] <Quintasan> SysRQ key is compiled in ubuntu kernel by default?
[20:00] <Quintasan> gon: https://svn.pardus.org.tr/uludag/trunk/kde4/service-manager/plasmoid/systemservices/
[20:01] <smarter> Quintasan: grep -i magic_sysrq /boot/config-$(uname -r)
[20:01] <smarter> answer is yes ;)
[20:01] <Quintasan> smarter: thanks, now I will try to reproduce the ext4 freeze "feature" :)
[20:03] <gon> thanks, but i don't know how to build/run it
[20:03] <gon> :(
[20:03] <apachelogger> mgraesslin: the pager-like applet in gnome doesn't show the appropriate settings if kwin is used
[20:05] <apachelogger> http://aplg.kollide.net/images/osiris/snapshot028.png  vs. http://aplg.kollide.net/images/osiris/snapshot029.png
[20:11] <Quintasan> gon: hmm it seems there is a application needed
[20:11] <Quintasan> but I can't get it to run :/
[20:12] <apachelogger> a|wen: well, even then... what would that have to do with kdm?
[20:13]  * apachelogger can't even think of a kdm setting that messes things up like that
[20:13] <a|wen> apachelogger: it wouldn't have anything to do with kdm
[20:13] <apachelogger> a|wen: well, it works without kdm, so the problem must be in kdm
[20:13] <Quintasan> gon: there is a python encoding error in line 127, position 1 which is empty space
[20:16] <a|wen> apachelogger: direct rendering not working; i'm hard to accept blaming that on kdm... but startkde vs. kdm is also two different ways to start the xserver, or am i wrong there?
[20:17] <apachelogger> startkde doesn't invoke the X server
[20:17] <apachelogger> the user needs to do that manually
[20:17] <apachelogger> but since stuff seems to work in kdm it probably can't be a X level issue
[20:19] <a|wen> it could also be some sort of kwin issue ... but i still don't get how direct rendering can suddenly be broken if the xserver is the same started in the same way
[20:24] <gon> :/
[20:25] <nixternal> where is the unicorn wallpaper and fluffy bunny theme?
[20:25] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[20:25] <nixternal> who dropped the ball this time?
[20:28] <apachelogger> a|wen: why would it only appear when started through kdm though
[20:28] <Tscheesy> apachelogger : i do remember the strange "Row" Setting in Compiz - is there lsb on this ?
[20:28] <a|wen> apachelogger: thta
[20:28]  * a|wen tries again
[20:29] <apachelogger> Tscheesy: lsb?
[20:29] <Tscheesy> some common linux-wide definition - because it seems its handled different
[20:30] <apachelogger> mgraesslin: ok, I blame gnome ... if I replace metacity with kwin all works fine, I can change the KDE desktop setting and gnome instantly applies the changes and draws the desktops ... if I start kwin to begin with, gnome will show the configured desktops in the pager, but they will not be drawn ... if I start kwin to begin with, then replace it with metacity the desktops get drawn, if then I replace it with kwin again it will
[20:30] <apachelogger>  again
[20:30] <a|wen> apachelogger: that is kind of the good question ... after logging in kdm/gdm should not have any significance; only the window manager and xserver should be in charge there
[20:31] <apachelogger> Tscheesy: that would be in fdo really ;-) ... not sure though, in any case metacity in kde and kwin in gnome should work mostly fine regarding the virtual desktop stuff ... well, except for that issue I am investigating right now ;-)
[20:31] <apachelogger> a|wen: *nod* I am not even sure how to continue on that bug
[20:32] <apachelogger> maybe xorg log, kdm log and xession-errors would help
[20:32] <Tscheesy> i remarked this by altering the windows-manager in compiz . it is handled there very complicated in my eyes
[20:33] <a|wen> apachelogger: that would at least give us a chance of finding something ... and maybe figure out if the keyboard problem is present if he just starts kde (before he tries to replace with compiz) or only after/if he tries the replace
[20:38] <nixternal> ryanakca: sometime next week good for doing the documentation for the website you think? I would like to have it live for release day...starting on it next week will allow me to take care of some of the bugs being reported on the docs right now
[20:39] <nixternal> I will create a script that will parse what I need into HTML and create the necessary files...do you want HTML or PHP or?
[20:42] <Quintasan> night guys
[20:43] <a|wen> night Quintasan
[20:43]  * a|wen will leave for tonight as well
[20:48] <serenity> hi
[20:49] <serenity> i just upgraded to jaunty and take my 'old' settings with me. Fonts now appear skinny. Known bug?
[20:51] <serenity> mgraesslin told me, that Qt 4.5 may cause this behaviour
=== santiago-pgsql is now known as santiago-ve
[20:58] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: bug 291873 I am quite sure this stuff is coming from a low-level package and is shared across all appearances of timezones in KDE (maybe even the base stack)
[20:58] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 291873 in kdebase-workspace "[intrepid] KDE Clock doesn't show timezones" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/291873
[20:59] <apachelogger> serenity: you really gotta ask launchpad that question :)
[21:12] <apachelogger> smarter: bug 234074
[21:12] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 234074 in kdebase-workspace "virtual keyboards do not work in kdm-kde4 " [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/234074
[21:13] <smarter> apachelogger: known upstream, worked a bit with ossi to fix it but nothing came out of it, I'll add a link to the upstream bug report
[21:13] <apachelogger> smarter: also assign it an importance please :)
[21:13] <smarter> medium?
[21:13] <apachelogger> up to you
[21:13] <apachelogger> I consider it low :P
[21:14] <apachelogger> then again I am not in accessibility hunter mode right now
[21:14] <apachelogger> Riddell: I still think kickoff favorites should be in kickoffrc rather than a patch
[21:14] <apachelogger> espcially when I look at the patch count in workspace
[21:16] <smarter> can't change the bug status, and don't really want to assign myself to it since I probably won't fix it :p
[21:16] <smarter> anyway, 'night
[21:17] <apachelogger> nini
[21:17] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: ping
[21:17] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: pong
[21:17] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: http://paste.ubuntu.com/142304/
[21:17] <apachelogger> needs to go into startkde
[21:17] <apachelogger> after
[21:17] <apachelogger>    unset KLOCALE_LANGUAGES
[21:17] <apachelogger>  fi
[21:17] <JontheEchidna> will that fix kdm localization?
[21:18] <apachelogger> nah
[21:18] <apachelogger> country setting within KDE itself
[21:18] <apachelogger> bug 224461
[21:18] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 224461 in kdebase-workspace "Kubuntu do not show date and time in the correct format" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/224461
[21:19] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: I did some QA but you really want to give it another sanity check, I did that while we worked on 4.2.0 IIRC, so I might have missed some test case
[21:19] <apachelogger> but it really needs to get in
[21:19] <JontheEchidna> Post it in the bug and assign it to me
[21:19] <apachelogger> without it the desktop is not _really_ localized
[21:19] <apachelogger> just translated
[21:19] <JontheEchidna> I have a few other things that need to go in too
[21:20] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: delegate to someone else, if you feel that you don't have time + target 9.04
[21:20] <JontheEchidna> It's funny, without you around as much I've taken over your job of fixing all the little file conflicts and such :P
[21:20] <apachelogger> ^_^
[21:21] <JontheEchidna> on the plus side it's helped my upload count
[21:21] <JontheEchidna> but not by much since we're better about not doing one release per change now that we use bzr
[21:21] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: btw, it might make sense to check kdeglobals for "Country=" in that if, that way the goodness should also get exposed to $updates
[21:22] <apachelogger> just poped into my mind :D
[21:22] <JontheEchidna> you could either be misspelling popped or pooped, I hope it's the former :P
[21:23] <apachelogger> mindpoo
[21:23] <apachelogger> oh dear
[21:24]  * JontheEchidna goes to close fix committed bugs for 4.2.2 now that it's uploaded
[21:24] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: http://paste.ubuntu.com/142308/ some changelog text, in case you need it ;-)
[21:31] <maco> can one of you install the "fluffy bunny" theme from get hot new stuff and tell me if it looks jacked up?
[21:32] <JontheEchidna> it probably is. If I recall correctly it was made for KDE 4.0.x and hasn't been updated in forever
[21:33] <maco> the little popouts for stretching and rotating plasmoids looks fne
[21:33] <maco> the others....omg 1997 repeating gif backgrounds on websites!
[21:33] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: triaged, critical, assigned, milestoned
[21:33] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: k, thanks ^_^
[21:33] <maco> http://student.seas.gwu.edu/~mac/files/fluffy_bunny.png
[21:33] <apachelogger> uh
[21:34] <apachelogger> 152 bugs
[21:34] <JontheEchidna> the theming spec changed quite a bit since that theme was made :(
[21:34] <JontheEchidna> for the better, of course, but old themes suffer
[21:36] <apachelogger> man
[21:36] <apachelogger> bug 244088
[21:36] <ubottu> Error: Could not parse data returned by Launchpad: timed out (https://launchpad.net/bugs/244088/+text)
[21:36] <apachelogger> now kwin uses the shortcut for the magic composé thingy
[21:39] <seele> nixternal: you said you were disappointed in this year's April 1 jokes?
[21:40] <seele> nixternal: http://www.nin.com/pub/strobelight/ (also click submit to see the next page)
[21:40] <nixternal> I was because I was seeing all of the same ones that have been going on since 1994
[21:40] <nixternal> hehe ya saw that
[21:41]  * seele <3s trent
[21:42] <josh-l> hey folks, something strange is happening when i try to send stuff to trash via dolphin... it pops up a little notification window, and takes a very long time to move to trash, this happened after I logged into a ftp site via dolphin... help?
[21:45] <apachelogger> josh-l: #kubuntu for support please
[21:46] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: oh, did you know that dotancohen actually found a translation bug that was an *upstream* translation bug?
[21:47] <JontheEchidna> KDE 1, Rosetta: > 9,000
[21:47] <apachelogger> lulz
[21:48] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: what to do with bug 301338
[21:48] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 301338 in kdebase-workspace "klipper causes 1 wakeup per second when idle" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/301338
[21:49] <JontheEchidna> oh, actually I saw a comment on a blog today pertaining to that very issue
[21:49] <JontheEchidna> apparently klipper also has a bunch of qtimers that could cause 1 wakeup even if there is no polling
[21:49] <apachelogger> upstreaming I say
[21:49] <apachelogger> at times klipper causes more wakeups than plasma :S
[21:50] <JontheEchidna> http://dimsuz.wordpress.com/2009/04/01/klipper-updates/
[21:51] <seele> nixternal: here is another one: http://www.saveie6.com/index.php
[21:54] <nixternal> Unfortunately some of your answers were incompatible with proper IE6 usage which means that we weren’t able to provide you with a download link.
[21:54] <nixternal> Please try again, it will be worth it!
[21:54] <nixternal> hahahaha, that is what you get when you answer the questions on the download link :)
[21:57] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: bug 304488 ... X?
[21:57] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 304488 in kdebase-workspace "Kubuntu 8.10 don't boots every third time" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/304488
[21:58] <seele> hmm.. the HoF page is confusing. how do you get a list of past HoFers?
[22:12] <apachelogger> nixternal: bug 285172 if you want to
[22:12] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 285172 in kdebase-workspace "kdm postinst fails when /etc/X11/default-display-manager is 0 byte file" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/285172
[22:12] <apachelogger> pretty easy fix
[22:13] <apachelogger> whom do we poke with bug 288502
[22:13] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 288502 in kdebase-workspace "KDE 4 doesn't respect X11 cursor themes" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/288502
[22:14]  * apachelogger is pretty clueless on that one, but thinks it all roots in Qt rather than KDE
[22:17] <apachelogger> claydoh: http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3100422.0 developer says: don't take notes about such a crappy bug report, that makes me wanna close it without even thinking about it
[22:18] <claydoh> hi apachelogger
[22:18] <apachelogger> hoy, indeed
[22:24] <claydoh> apachelogger:  wadda ya want me to do about that thread? <g>
[22:24] <apachelogger> I dunno
[22:24]  * apachelogger is commenting on that bug now
[22:24] <apachelogger> explaining how not to do a bug report
[22:24] <apachelogger> claydoh: see last post in the forum thread
[22:25] <apachelogger> maybe you should note that this is not anything like a useful bug report
[22:25] <claydoh> lol and I thought it would be the post that says a kubuntu dev will fix the oo.0 bug :)
[22:27]  * apachelogger does not even know what the issue is
[22:27] <apachelogger> and I am so not going to read the whole thread having a dude sitting around who knows all about it already
[22:28] <claydoh> the thread is from december, probably forgotten I bet
[22:33] <apachelogger> but I am supposed to support stuff that got released in october? :P
[22:43] <apachelogger> hm
[22:44] <apachelogger> claydoh: mind reading my comment beforehand?
[22:44]  * apachelogger might have been to harsh
[22:44] <claydoh> I was nice about  it
[22:44] <claydoh> ooh didn't see you
[22:45] <claydoh> sure i'll read it, wherever it is :)
[22:45]  * claydoh is in a good mood today, despite having been at work  :)
[22:46]  * claydoh feeds the dogs....
[22:48] <apachelogger> claydoh: http://paste.ubuntu.com/142363/
[22:48] <apachelogger> that said ...
[22:48] <apachelogger> claydoh: how did the re-certifications go?
[22:50] <claydoh> apachelogger: we scored a 90.5%, needed a 90% :)
[22:51] <apachelogger> Oo
[22:51] <claydoh> we were the first restaurant the tester has seen get a 100% on the customer service section w00t
[22:52] <apachelogger> claydoh: hehe, congrats :)
[22:52]  * apachelogger notes: claydoh knows what customers want
[22:53] <claydoh> apachelogger: heh harsh? mayb a little  bit...
[22:53] <claydoh> apachelogger: thanks!
[22:53]  * apachelogger better doesn't post it then :P
[22:54] <claydoh> I already did, much more , um, polite :P
[22:54] <freinhard> hooray, 4.2.2 :)
[22:54] <claydoh> but I love what you wrote, though
[22:54] <claydoh> its awesome
[22:55] <apachelogger> claydoh: hm, that was already polite ... usually I have a strong urge to beat someone up for such reports :P
[22:56] <apachelogger> thx for commenting though :)
[22:56] <claydoh> apachelogger: sometimes a hammer is necessary
[22:57] <claydoh> my kubuntuforums users are not that savvy about the ways of bugs, irc, and other woderfull things :)
[22:57] <claydoh> s/wonderful/woderful
[22:58] <apachelogger> education is clearly necessary
[22:58] <claydoh> I agree
[22:58]  * apachelogger is wondering where vorian is all day long
[22:58] <apachelogger> miss him I clearly do
[22:59] <vorian> apachelogger: /me was working
[22:59] <vorian> just got home :)
[22:59] <apachelogger> uh
[22:59] <apachelogger> \o/
[22:59]  * apachelogger hugs vorian
[22:59]  * vorian hugs apachelogger 
[22:59] <apachelogger> claydoh: btw, how is kubuntu-users ml doing?
[22:59] <apachelogger> vorian: I heared you are uber awesome coordination dood?
[22:59] <josh-l> hey folks, something strange is happening when i try to send stuff to trash via dolphin... it pops up a little notification window, and takes a very long time to move to trash, this happened after I logged into a ftp site via dolphin... help? running jaunty
[23:00] <josh-l> apachelogger: this is on jaunty
[23:00] <vorian> apachelogger: not so much, my server kept dying, and I kept having to $WORK
[23:00] <apachelogger> josh-l: #ubuntu+1 then
[23:00] <josh-l> ok
[23:01] <apachelogger> vorian: hehe, now you know how that is not fun at all :P
[23:01] <vorian> ++
[23:01] <apachelogger> anyone able to reproduce 317048
[23:01] <claydoh> apachelogger: not  bad, usually. Just the occaisional studpid long thread "helping" steven vollum with commandline stuff more easily done with a noob friendly gui tools
[23:01] <apachelogger> bug 317048
[23:01] <ubottu> Error: Could not parse data returned by Launchpad: HTTP Error 503: Service Unavailable (https://launchpad.net/bugs/317048/+text)
[23:01]  * vorian is gonna blast Rosetta on the planet
[23:02] <apachelogger> on?
[23:02] <vorian> freaking import emails
[23:02] <apachelogger> \o/
[23:02] <apachelogger> vorian: filter em'
[23:02] <apachelogger> I filter success mails
[23:02] <apachelogger> it's not like I care
[23:02] <JontheEchidna> I blackhole everything, because I wouldn't know how to fix them anyways
[23:03] <apachelogger> claydoh: yah, that dood is aweomse ;-)
[23:03] <claydoh> one day he will be a guru
[23:03] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: => uds => ask lp doods => whine at lp doods => come home => get cookie
[23:04] <apachelogger> claydoh: well, otherwise the amount of help he requires would be waste of resource
[23:04] <apachelogger> then again that applies to most of floss support
[23:05] <apachelogger> hm
[23:05]  * claydoh is just happy the anti-kde4 crowd has been shut up
[23:05] <apachelogger> is it me, or is lp broken :S
[23:06] <freinhard> lp says it's down for scheduled maintenance
[23:06] <freinhard> 22:00-23:00 UTC
[23:06] <josh-l> my problem only happens when i try to move to trash, not when i delete files
[23:07] <apachelogger> oh
[23:07] <apachelogger> meh
[23:07] <freinhard> just saw not 1hour down, but 3
[23:07] <freinhard> o_O
[23:07]  * apachelogger notes that lp is _always_ down when he is on a triage march
[23:07] <freinhard> http://blog.launchpad.net/notifications/launchpad-update-april-1st-maintenance-window-increased-to-3-hours
[23:08] <apachelogger> josh-l: are you deleting from ftp?
[23:08] <josh-l> apachelogger: no no longer connected, i've even shutdown the machine since... i was connected yesterday
[23:08] <apachelogger> josh-l: define "very long time"
[23:10] <josh-l> apachelogger: well first of all noticably longer than before when i moved to trash, and noticably longer than when i simply delete (from menu) (delete using delete key takes as long) it takes a good 2 minutes for whatever file to disappear from directory
[23:10] <apachelogger> that is long indeed
[23:10] <apachelogger> no clue what the problem could be though
[23:10] <apachelogger> josh-l: try #kde
[23:10] <josh-l> ok thx
[23:10] <apachelogger> not kubuntu related IMO
[23:12] <josh-l> true
[23:23] <josh-l> apachelogger: any idea how i can check what command is being run when i try to send something to trash?
[23:26] <apachelogger> josh-l: kioclient move 'url' trash:/
[23:26] <apachelogger> though it is probably done via libs rather than this binary
[23:28] <josh-l> apachelogger: I get this... does this mean anything to you:
[23:29] <josh-l> <unknown program name>(28923)/ ClientApp::doIt: Creating ClientApp
[23:29] <josh-l> kioclient(28923) KSharedUiServerProxy::KSharedUiServerProxy: kuiserver registered
[23:29] <josh-l> oops longer than i meant