[00:00] Here is the output of aptitude -f install : http://paste.ubuntu.com/141740/ [00:03] neoandersen: "Permission denied" means you need to do it as root, prepend "sudo" to sensitive commands [00:03] neoandersen: use sudo [00:04] !sudo | neoandersen [00:04] neoandersen: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for more information. For graphical applications see !gksu (Gnome, XFCE), or !kdesudo (KDE) [00:06] but the package manager program ask me the password before I install the package... [00:07] In the synaptc of Ubuntu its enough to enter the password... [00:07] neoandersen: the package manager calls sudo behind the scenes, for command line apps you need to use sudo manually [00:08] ok [00:08] for instance: sudo apt-get -f install [00:08] ok === PC16-Sala3-381 is now known as blackfire [00:09] but I can enter the sudo and after try again in the pachage manager program? [00:11] Tried installing monodevelop, and it's missing a bunch of dependencies. Who do I complain/talk/whine to about that? [00:11] neoandersen: sudo bash --login, and you will never be asked for the password again. Easy to shoot yourself in the foot [00:13] neoandersen, amgarchIn9: better to do "sudo -i" or "sudo -s" [00:13] hey is there anyone here that can help me with what you might think is a simple problem? [00:14] i am new to linux and set my password while intoxicated (bad idea) and now can't change do anything cause i don't remember my password [00:14] Good one... [00:14] no not really [00:14] EtFb: #ubuntu-motu or file a bug at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/monodevelop/+filebug if it's not already reported [00:14] tsimpson: Thanks. [00:15] i found out how to change it but with my limited knowledge i don't even know how to get to the screen it tells me i need to be looking at [00:15] mcgrorey: reboot into recovery mode and use "passwd " [00:15] mcgrorey, when booting up, use the 'single' parameter in grub. This will start the system in single user mode, from there you can use the command 'passwd accountname' to change the password on that account [00:16] there will already be a grub entry with single, called "recovery mode" [00:16] mcgrorey: The real solution is to install a program that does a breathtest before letting you use sudo... [00:16] Don't ask me how to use grub, I figure it out everytime I need to do something with it, I just follow the on screen prompts for editing boot parameters etc. [00:16] when it comes up you use the arrow keys to choose, and enter to select :) [00:17] hey all, how can I disable the annoying startup sound / recycle bin empty sound [00:17] please [00:17] you may need to press escape to see the menu, not sure about the default setup [00:17] ActionParsnip, open sound settings in "system settings" [00:17] i bought a iogear digital scribe aka digital pen and i want to get it work in ubuntu any idea of how to get it to work [00:17] Ash-Fox: notifications or multimedia? [00:17] ok now for the real question how do i get to grub? [00:17] i bought a iogear digital scribe aka digital pen and i want to get it work in kubuntu any idea of how to get it to work [00:17] notifications [00:17] !grub | mcgrorey [00:17] mcgrorey: GRUB is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost GRUB after installing Windows? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreGrub - GRUB how-tos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto [00:18] mcgrorey: when booting you press escape [00:18] you'll see a line of text like "Loading GRUB" in the top left of the screen before it comes up [00:18] mcgrorey, you press escape before the kubuntu thing goes up. Generally holding down escape is a good idea. [00:19] Ash-Fox: got it, awesome duder. thanks [00:19] after i installed my graphics driver i no longer have sond in flash with firefox [00:21] !flash [00:21] To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash (a recent version for !Dapper is available in !backports) - See also !Restricted and !Gnash [00:21] i installed flash [00:21] i held esc now i just have MBR 2FA: and i can't type anything [00:21] joejc , did use apt/adept or did you DL the tarball? [00:22] adept [00:24] can anybody here give me a hand getting my wireless card to work? [00:25] What is the diference of sudo -i to sudo -s ? [00:26] heroicwisdom: What brand/model of wireless card is it, and what encryption is there on your access point? [00:26] joejc , in the terminal : locate libflashplayer.so , navigate to a dir that contains libflashplayer.so, copy it and paste it into /usr/lib/xulrunner-addons/plugins . That will give flash global access [00:26] neoandersen: -s just runs the shell as the other use, -i simulates a login of the other user [00:26] the card appears to be a atheros - the problem is i cant get kubuntu to get the card working [00:27] i have flash in firefox but no sound in flash [00:27] the output of lspci:07:00.0 Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications Inc. AR242x 802.11abg Wireless PCI Express Adapter (rev 01) [00:27] thanks tsimpson! [00:28] joejc, did you see the above suggestion ? [00:28] yes [00:28] it will work [00:28] ok [00:28] how can i change the timeserver to synchronize? [00:30] Manyfold: system settings - date and time - administrator mode [00:30] Manyfold: or if you are using ntpd /etc/ntp.conf === roberto is now known as Guest44423 [00:31] alepot: thanks [00:32] Manyfold: np :) [00:32] nothing comes up for locate libflashplayer.so is that cuz im updating? [00:33] heroicwisdom: So what's not happening? [00:35] what is the purpose of plasmoid shortcuts? [00:35] how can I use them? [00:36] joejc, install flashplugin-nonfree kubuntu-restricted-extras libk3b3-extracodecs [00:36] why not adobe flash? [00:36] EtFb:It appears that the card is etheir not running or scanning for networks. _ the output of iwconfig comes up with... [00:37] lo no wireless extensions. [00:37] eth0 no wireless extensions. [00:37] pan0 no wireless extensions. [00:37] is that adobe? [00:37] !flashplugin-nonfree [00:37] Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [00:38] !codecs [00:38] For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also https://help.ubuntu.com/8.10/musicvideophotos/C/video.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats [00:38] !flash [00:38] To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash (a recent version for !Dapper is available in !backports) - See also !Restricted and !Gnash [00:38] !plugins [00:38] Sorry, I don't know anything about plugins [00:38] BBL [00:39] EtFb: and a anthros driver is installed according to the proprietary drivers manger a driver is installed and active for atheros wireless cards [00:39] whats the command to install the "kubuntu restricted extras"? [00:39] good question! [00:40] sudo apt-get install kubuntu-restricted-extras [00:40] i'll like know [00:40] i think === administrator_ is now known as roy79 [00:40] I will give it a try [00:40] yeah! [00:40] it's right [00:41] aptitude search is useful on these occasions. you only need to know part of the package name [00:41] or sudo apt-cache search [00:41] what is better? aptitude or apt-get? [00:42] aptitude search restricted | grwep extra for instance [00:42] apt-get is shorter [00:42] I believe aptitude handles dependency checking better [00:42] *grep [00:42] i am still confused I have restarted this thing like 30 times the only thing holding esc seems to do is make the mouse not work [00:43] then if I put sudo aptitude install kubuntu-restricted-extras it will work fine? [00:43] it should [00:43] if that's what you need, yes [00:44] I want all this stuff well installed at once... [00:45] that's a well cool package :) [00:45] hello! [00:45] hi is there any CLI editor with find & replace function? [00:46] i use kubuntu 8.10 and i cant figure out how to make my external usb sound card work [00:47] with my ubuntu 8.10 works fine [00:51] marek__: vi ? [00:53] or maybe sed? echo "Hello to Marek" | sed 's@to Marek@from Alex@' [00:53] still no sound [00:55] theres nothing called libflashplayer [00:57] joejc is there one in /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree [00:58] yes [00:58] why didnt locate find it [00:58] joejc: have you tried the same as the others? kubuntu-restricted-extras [00:58] cant trust locate [00:58] yes [00:58] i still have no sound in flash [00:59] joejc i often use du -a |grep FILE or find . -name 'aab*xx' ..... [01:00] joejc: paste the result of `aptitude search flash | grep ^i` [01:00] not here though === keith_ is now known as cprgmsw2 [01:02] hi, I'm trying to figure out how to do something in terminal [01:02] terminal / console / konsole, which ever you prefer to call it === cprgmsw2 is now known as cprgmswr2 [01:03] Why does flash not work on kubuntu 9.04 [01:03] bdizzle: "clear" clears the screen [01:03] not that [01:03] I am trying to use ssh and would normally enter it as ssh -X @work.org [01:04] but they recently changed it so that I would enter ssh -X login1@work.org, which immediately asks me for my password [01:04] joejc you asked why locate did not fine flash you probably failed to run updatedb before running locate [01:04] is it possible to change the name on konsole so that I can enter my login as part of it? [01:04] fine=find [01:04] ssh -X @work.org no longer works sadly [01:05] alepot: http://joejc.pastebin.com/m26306ef0 [01:05] !ssh [01:05] SSH is the Secure SHell protocol. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSHHowto for usage. Putty is a nice SSH client for Windows; it can be found at http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/ [01:05] bdizzle, you mean as part of PS1 in the shell [01:06] bdizzle: you useed an alias? what says "type ssh"? [01:06] brb [01:07] no [01:07] okay, I used to enter ssh -X username@work.org and it would automatically connect, ask for password, then go from there [01:07] they changed it on me [01:07] so that now I must login using ssh -X login1@work.org [01:07] but then terminal translates that to ssh -X bdizzle@work.org [01:07] and then enter password [01:08] obviously, it does not like this and rejects me [01:08] bdizzle: maybe ssh username@login1.work.org ? [01:08] got it, thank you [01:09] could anyone help me with my behringer uca20 usb souncard? [01:09] i really dont know what else i can do [01:11] Is it just 9.04 or does flashplaye not work [01:13] i have sound but its really soft [01:14] joejc: alsamixer? kmix? [01:15] kmix [01:15] should i try to change that? [01:16] fixed it [01:16] why did it only effect flash? [01:18] flash is funny [01:19] kmix front mic has to be way up for me to hear sound [01:19] how do i enbable compiz? === nikolai is now known as CyberSlon [01:23] joejc: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/Compiz [01:26] hi everybody. I'm looking for support. I'm working with kubunto 10 and I had exit installing adobe flash plugin. but I can't watch online stream videos that are using video/x-ms-wmv plugin like onine-media-archive.net/tv. somebody can help me? thank's [01:26] sudo aptitude install w32codecs [01:29] !w32codecs [01:29] medibuntu is a repository of packages that cannot be included into the Ubuntu distribution for legal reasons - See http://www.medibuntu.org [01:29] alepot: they aren't in the default repositories [01:29] I keep forgetting that - I always have their repositories enabled [01:32] alepot: thank's but doesn't work [01:36] for the life of me I can't figure out why I can't connect to anything on my network [01:37] alepot: I am having the same problem [01:38] alepot: I cannot play adobe movies [01:39] I have to go to bed. Al m these problems have answers that can be found by using the search engine at the ubuntu documentation site === alepot is now known as alepot-afk [01:42] most of these multimedia problems disolve when confronted by https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Medibuntu [01:43] !medibuntu [01:43] medibuntu is a repository of packages that cannot be included into the Ubuntu distribution for legal reasons - See http://www.medibuntu.org [01:46] !codecs [01:46] For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also https://help.ubuntu.com/8.10/musicvideophotos/C/video.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats [01:53] anyone know of a way to compress about 8 GB of data into a zip file? [01:54] I tried doing it and it just failed on me [01:56] anyone have a linksys router I need some help, nothing will stay connected if it connects at all [02:03] MonoDevelop 2.0 has been released, but the version included in the repositories for Kubuntu Hardy is still only 1.0. How do I drag my computer into the future? Is there a "we're not stuck in the past" repository somewhere that I can add? [02:04] bdizzle: Did you try just using gzip in a console? [02:04] not yet, I'm doing it through Dolphin as normal [02:05] err, Dolphin / Konqueror, whichever you call it these days === stebnem is now known as tttsssttt [02:07] hi! [02:07] bdizzle: Maybe I'm old fashioned, but I don't trust GUIs to do what command-line programs do better. Too many assumptions. Just say gzip -c NAMEOFFILE > NAMEOFARCHIVE.gz [02:08] gotcha [02:08] Can I ask a silly question [02:08] is the kde wallet something I want to get used to using? [02:08] command-line rules! [02:08] bdizzle: The -c is useful to know; without it, gzip replaces the original file with the archive, which can be surprising. [02:08] etfb: if it makes you feel any better, I grew up in Win 95+, so I didn't get the early DOS experience that most started with [02:08] yeah, that would be bad for this [02:08] more quickly [02:08] considering its my research and such of the past year [02:09] bdizzle: You can always just go back to your backups though, right? [02:09] hehehe [02:09] yeah, sure.. [02:16] bdizzle: Seriously, though: get a cheap second-hand hard disk, around 60Mb should cost you only a few bucks, then buy a USB disk enclosure with power supply from any Circuit City/Dick Smith/etc style electronics store. Plug it in once a week and use rsync to copy off everything in /home and maybe /var, /etc and /usr depending on space. Why not? [02:17] true [02:17] (Sorry, meant 60Gb. 60Mb wouldn't hold much.) [02:17] lol [02:17] I'll see what I can do, money is tight [02:17] bdizzle: I swear: if you can't get a usable backup for under thirty bucks, UR DOIN IT RONG. [02:17] lol [02:18] amazon / ebay / newegg? [02:18] ... Or a friend who just upgraded his desktop and has a hard disk sitting around doing nothing. I have twenty of the suckers sitting on a shelf because I couldn't be bothered using them. [02:19] gotcha [02:19] I'm in Australia, where we don't trust Amazon to be able to ship stuff in reasonable time for a reasonable cost without hitting a whale in the South Pacific and sinking... so electronics stores work for me. [02:20] lol [02:20] fair enough [02:20] I dunno, I got a movie from Australia, so it works from AUS - US [02:20] hi I cannot read dvd's but they do autoload, when I put in a dvd, libdvdread3 is installed [02:20] how can i create my own server? [02:20] it doesn't work [02:21] bdizzle: That's because Australian ships' captains know how to steer. Those American ones are useless. [02:21] lol [02:21] * etfb wonders if bdizzle really is laughing _out loud_ every time he says he is. Could be be lying??? [02:21] alright, should I put in the condition that lol = *chuckle [02:22] but that lol is quicker to type than /me chuckles [02:22] dsmith_: There's a weirdness in some versions of Kaffeine where the xine settings are wrong and you have to explicitly tell it a different CD/DVD device than the one it defaults to. [02:22] no this is via dolphin [02:23] i cannot view the files [02:23] dsmith_: Weird. Sorry, I avoid Dolphin due to the high concentration of dumbth. [02:23] dsmith_: Does it work from the console? Is it mounting OK? [02:24] scd0 mounts fine [02:24] yep [02:24] my app switcher seems to have vanished, how can I restore it?? === smitty is now known as Guest53255 [02:24] i know its weird [02:24] How about Konq? [02:24] hmm let me check [02:24] konqueror uses dolphin in file browsing mode [02:25] tsimpson: Que? Not in Hardy it doesn't. Is this another reason why I should never upgrade? [02:25] in hardy, just ditch dolphin === otm is now known as otm_ [02:25] it's not even dolphin [02:25] okay, so Jaunty is coming out soon [02:26] any "OMG, gotta have it" features? [02:26] ok... [02:26] dolphone, konq and terminal does not read [02:27] bdizzle: I hear they're upgrading from KDE4 to KDE3.5 because the KDE developers finally realised that if they wanted to produce pretty eye candy that crashed constantly and was missing essential features, they could get jobs working on Vista. [02:27] rofl [02:27] i unmounted and remounted multiple times [02:27] KDE 4 was pretty, once it worked [02:27] lol [02:27] nice etfb [02:27] shush, don't make me get the o-stick [02:27] bdizzle: That momentous day must have come after I upgraded my Intrepid box to Hardy. [02:27] o-stick... I just watched "office space" [02:27] lol [02:28] 0-face! [02:28] <- o stick [02:28] dsmith_: Oh - doesn't read? You can't see the DVD from the konsole either? [02:28] nope [02:28] i tried all three ways [02:29] it mounts just fine [02:29] are you sure it's mounted? (and mounted to where you're looking?) [02:29] yes [02:29] ../media/cdrom [02:29] and "mount" shows it? [02:29] yes.. [02:29] shows on my desktop [02:29] Tried it in a different machine? [02:30] in konsole, don't mount's have a green background? [02:30] no [02:30] thats how it shows on mine :P [02:30] that's for globally writeable files/dirs [02:30] oh ok [02:30] yea cdrom is read ONLY [02:30] dsmith_: FAT/VFAT disks probably show up like that, I guess. [02:31] dsmith_: What about execute permissions? You can't open a directory unless the directory's entry has +x [02:31] no, disk/FreeAgent/NAS1 are ext3 [02:31] let me look [02:31] dsmith_: because iso9660 has no concept of permissions, by default all permissions are granted, even if the actual media is read only [02:31] hmmmmm [02:32] tsimpson: Oh, is that how it works? Good old iso9660, bringing us all into the bright world of 1980. [02:32] only CD/DVDs with the rockridge extension have permissions [02:32] user/group shows as a number.. [02:32] perhaps thats why? [02:33] dsmith_: Does chowning it work? I've seen weirdness like that before and it's never pretty. [02:33] what's the /etc/fstab line for /media/cdrom0 ? [02:33] tsimpson: let me check [02:33] etfb: let me look at fstab 1st [02:33] brb [02:33] should be something like "/dev/scd0 /media/cdrom0 udf,iso9660 ro,user,noauto 0 0" which will give user/group to your user [02:34] dsmith_: I've got "/dev/scd0 /media/cdrom0 udf,iso9660 user,noauto,exec,utf8 0 0" which I guess is similar enough. [02:34] ... /dev/scd0 /media/cdrom udf,iso9660 user,utf8,atime,noauto,rw,dev,exec,suid 0 0 [02:34] doh I see it [02:34] ro [02:35] dsmith_: The suid is a bit suspicious, isn't it? I'm only guessing though. [02:35] hmmmmmmmm [02:35] you have rw there too [02:35] and dev? [02:35] yea why is that in there [02:35] wow hack job [02:35] let me fix [02:36] and atime make no sense for RO media [02:36] im going on 2 years of linux use now [02:36] i must have copied it from someone or somehwere [02:37] * etfb figures he should read [man mount] some time and learn more stuff [02:37] heh [02:38] Right, back to work. Bye all. [02:42] how can I sync a folder between 2 kubuntu machines? [02:42] rsync or ssh are good ways [02:42] !rsync [02:42] Sorry, I don't know anything about rsync [02:42] oh noes [02:42] ssh is a protocol, right? I use it [02:42] * afeijo googling about rsync [02:43] yeah, but you can use to it transfer files [02:43] i installed kubuntu 8.1 and the desktop looks good, but the graphics on some of the application, such as Firefox are terrible,, any ideas? [02:43] rsync is more advanced though, something like "rsync -avz host1:/dir/ /local/dir" will keep dirs in sync [02:44] tsimpson: fabulous, just what I need to keep my php sources syncronized ;) Thanks!!! [02:44] afeijo: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/rsync has more moire information on it [02:47] tsimpson: its still being a pain [02:48] !rsync is a fast remote file copy and synchronization program - For more see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/rsync [02:48] I'll remember that, tsimpson [02:48] ..../dev/scd0 /media/cdrom udf,iso9660 ro,user,noauto 0 0 [02:48] tsimpson: any ideas about my graphics? [02:49] Toph: try installing gtk-qt-engine (and restarting firefox) [02:49] tsimpson: ,,, ok,, thanks,, i'll be back,, company here [02:50] thanks [02:50] dsmith_: can you access /media/cdrom0 at all? ie: ls -l /media/cdrom0 [02:51] no such file [02:51] hmmmmmmmmmm [02:53] /media/cdrom should be a link to /media/cdrom0 === a is now known as chatman === c is now known as Guest75601 [03:12] tsimpson; can I post a link? [03:12] a link to what? [03:12] i found a ubuntu page about the issue [03:12] same problem I am having [03:12] sure [03:12] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=650697&page=4 [03:13] seems no resolve [03:14] if it means anything it is a dat dvd burning in windows prob. with Nero [03:15] dvd movies seem to play fine [03:15] let me chceck [03:17] dvd movies play fine [03:17] you can try "sudo mount /dev/scd0 /media/cdrom0 -t iso9660 -o ro,noauto,exec,unhide,user=$(whoami)" and hope the disk has iso9660 as well as UDF [03:17] lol [03:17] ok let em try that [03:18] i want to have /etc/.bashrc look at another file that contains the aliases i want to add...how do i get /etc/.bashrc to look at this file? [03:18] boboso: you mean ~/.bashrc ? [03:19] and you just add a line "source /whatever/file/you/want" [03:19] My wireless internet doesn't work. I have an intel 3945 abg card which works fine in windows. a belkin card worked, but then it broke. help? p.s. i'm using ubuntu, but #ubuntu isn't helping [03:21] boboso: [ -f ~/.aliases ] && . ~/.aliases === shinigami is now known as Guest85593 [03:23] tsimpson: nope [03:23] thanks anyway....I am going to try via vmware === roberto is now known as Guest36677 [03:25] dsmith_: as a last option, you can try with the nostrict mount option [03:25] "sudo mount /dev/scd0 /media/cdrom0 -t udf -o ro,exec,unhide,user=$(whoami),nostrict" [03:26] if that fails, then you're stuck with a VM or something [03:26] ok... [03:27] fail [03:30] khindenburg: do i put the actual path of the file where the ~ is? === zgmf-x42s is now known as proj3ct2501 [03:31] boboso: ~ just means your home directory; it is a shortcut === sebsebseb is now known as sebsebsebp === sebsebsebp is now known as sebsebseb [03:40] can someone help me get my intel 3945 wireless to work? for starters, "lshw -C network" outputs "network UNCLAIMED" [03:42] p.s. the wireless works in windows [03:42] Pyles17: no idea, already tried googling? [03:44] khindenburg: yeah, a lot. basically i found a lot of unresolved 3945 problems, all unique. I think I'll just look into getting a different card [03:45] Pyles17: might it have a restricted driver? [03:46] khindenburg: it does, but it comes with ubuntu install [03:47] Pyles17: does the co. website have updated drivers? I know ati/nvidia often do [03:47] i'll try that [03:48] khindenburg: thanks for the suggestions [04:07] Morning folks. Im pertty sure my display drivers are not 100%.. i keep getting little graphical glitches. For example... scroll bars not rendering in Java applications [04:07] And my web browser graphics are also a little funky [04:08] What can i do about debugging this kind of issue? [04:12] hey guys whats the package i have to install in 9.04 to get the opensource ati catalyst drivers? [04:13] in one of my profiles, i tried to enable visual effects and now the display under that profile is completely messed up. how can I revert it back? === jara is now known as jara_ === jara_ is now known as jara__ [04:51] i have firefox ,but i cant pllaay googel vido,s , whhhat do i need to install to be able to view them [04:54] i think it's flashplayer larry... isn't firefox telling you about missing plugins? [04:54] donnnt know but ill check ty [04:55] normally when there are missing plugins it will tell you which ones larry i think it should be flashplayer tho === k4v is now known as m4v [05:28] Is there a program that would allow me to send text messages to a cell phone? [06:32] 大家说说话阿 [06:33] 别太寂寞 [06:33] !cn | cyz [06:33] cyz: For Ubuntu help in Chinese 您可以访问中文频道： #ubuntu-cn 或者 #ubuntu-tw 或者 #ubuntu-hk [06:39] is ubuntu immune to this new virus or worm coming out? [06:39] eross: yes [06:41] using my kde 4.2, the monitor keeps blanking out. I have to hit a key to restore the display. I checked the screensaver and power management, no boxes are checked. Am I missing something? [06:43] 不知道 ->（don't know) [06:44] ooo nice fonts [06:44] really? :-) [06:45] is that japanese? [06:45] no ... chinese [06:46] ohh.. guess i'll have to learn it soon [06:46] but that's for another #irc channel [06:46] Yes [06:47] Sorry ii can not help with you monitor problem ... you use 8.10 ? [06:47] yes [06:47] going through all my settings, maybe it's a compiz thing [06:47] kde 4.2 is then installed by the "not supported" updates [06:48] maybe a compiz thing ... i am not using compiz on kde anymore since 3.10 [06:48] kde 3.5.10 i mean [06:49] i have it installed but it's not running as a service [06:50]