[00:00] <DanaG> the nvidia one is also a laptop.
[00:00] <disregardthat> I'm having a problem that might not be related to Jaunty.
[00:00] <crdlb> DanaG: how unfortunate :P
[00:00] <disregardthat> And it's nasty.
[00:00] <DanaG> Heh, my dad has always sucked at choosing laptops.
[00:00] <DanaG> He's invariably bought ones that suck, even for the time they were new.
[00:00] <disregardthat> I can start X, but it won't recognize my mouse or keyboard (both integrated into Dell E1505N),
[00:01] <crdlb> DanaG: my uncle got my mother a laptop last xmas, and I just lucked out that it had atheros wifi and RS690 ATI
[00:01] <bsnider> DanaG, tell your dad from me that he needs to smarten up
[00:01] <crdlb> both of which are supported in intrepid
[00:02] <DanaG> The nv laptop now has an ipw2200 card that I borrowed from a friend's dead laptop -- dead as in both battery and power socket were loose.  =þ
[00:02] <crdlb> disregardthat: well, if you wanted to verify that it's a jaunty problem, you could try an intrepid livecd
[00:02] <disregardthat> I could if my CD drive wasn't fried, which would be nice.
[00:02] <DanaG> Unfortunately, when downloading updates, it gives this repeatedly: ipw2200: firmware error detected, restarting.
[00:05] <disregardthat> In any case, I'm stuck with this half-Intrepid, half-Jaunty creation, since apt thought it would be a good idea to hold half the vital system packages back during the upgrade.
[00:05] <disregardthat> So I might as well make the most of it, which is kind of hard since the CD drive, USB ports, and, in X, input devices don't work.
[00:05] <bsnider> disregardthat, that came with ubuntu preinstalled right?
[00:06] <disregardthat> Yes, but I reinstalled from Hardy, then upgraded to Intrepid.
[00:07] <J-_> KDE4.2 is installed. But, I have a funny feeling that there will be gnome apps in the menu. And, KDE4 apps in my Gnome menu. Is it possible to separate the apps per DE in Jaunty?
[00:09] <crdlb> J-_: there's OnlyShowIn for that, but only stuff that is really tied to the DE uses it, afaik
[00:09] <bsnider> disregardthat, how much did that system cost?
[00:10] <disregardthat> $600.
[00:10] <disregardthat> I had to upgrade the RAM, though.
[00:10] <bsnider> is it just a basic all-intel system or is there a decent graphics card?
[00:11] <disregardthat> Yeah, all-Intel.
[00:11] <disregardthat> But it runs Sauerbraten at a decent FPS.
[00:11] <bsnider> did you buy it on the web or the phone?
[00:12] <disregardthat> Web.
[00:12] <disregardthat> And now it's a $600 brick.
[00:12]  * crdlb wonders where this is going
[00:12] <ShakaGoldSaint> hehe
[00:12] <bsnider> i had wondered if the sales force tried to talk him out of it and into buying a windows system
[00:12] <disregardthat> crdlb: I'm trying to steer it back on course.
[00:14] <ActionParsnip> hey all
[00:14] <ActionParsnip> how can i turn off stupid sounds in kde like empty recycle bin / start kde etc in jaunty
[00:14] <ActionParsnip> please
[00:18] <BluesKaj> ActionParsnip , system settings/notifiacations/system notifications/player settings tab/click on "no audio output"
[00:19] <ActionParsnip> got it, thansk :D
[00:19] <BluesKaj> and then click apply :0
[00:19] <ActionParsnip> stupid sounds
[00:19] <ActionParsnip> pointless imho
[00:19] <BluesKaj> yeah PITA
[00:20] <ActionParsnip> peace out kids
[00:20] <bsnider> peace out? i don't und\erstand
[00:23] <mint3> anyone out here who can help
[00:27] <bsnider> mint3, that's the wrong  question. just explain what the problem is
[00:28] <mint3> i cant get my wireless to work
[00:28] <mint3> atheros for my laptop
[00:28] <mint3> on jaunty. tried madwifi, enabling madwifi, and ndiswrapper, nothing worked
[00:28] <bsnider> try installing the linux-backports-modules package
[00:29] <bsnider> exactly what chip is it?
[00:29] <mint3> atheros ar294 i think
[00:29] <mint3> help me to get it to work please
[00:29] <bsnider> 294?
[00:29] <bsnider> i'm not familiar with that
[00:29] <mint3> atheros wireless card
[00:30] <bsnider> do an lspci from the console and find the atheros entry
[00:30] <mint3> ok bear with me
[00:32] <mint3> bsnider - it says ar242x 802.11abg wireless pci express adapter, rev -1, atheros communications inc
[00:34] <bsnider> support for that card is included in thelinux kernel itself. it's a driver called ath5k
[00:34] <bsnider> you don't have to do anything special to get it working. it will work automatically
[00:34] <mint3> thing is, it wont
[00:35] <mint3> it shows up in "hardeare drivers"
[00:35] <mint3> where it says "alternate atheros madwifi driver "
[00:35] <bsnider> remove the madwifi packages and ndiswrapper. they'll just interfere
[00:35] <mint3> how do i do that
[00:35] <bsnider> remove the package called linux-restricted-modules
[00:35] <mint3> it says "the driver is activated but not currently in use"
[00:36] <bsnider> and install the linux-backports modules package
[00:36] <mint3> whats the command
[00:36] <mint3> rm -rf linux-restricted-modules ?
[00:36] <bsnider> no
[00:36] <bsnider> are you on gnome or kde?
[00:36] <mint3> gnome
[00:37] <bsnider> ok, in system>administration there's a synaptic package manager. open it
[00:37] <mint3> ok
[00:37] <bsnider> there's a search button. search for "restricted"
[00:38] <mint3> ok then
[00:38] <mint3> and what do i choose
[00:38] <bsnider> is this your first time using linux?
[00:39] <mint3> bsnider no
[00:39] <bsnider> in the list there's a package called linux-restricted-modules-common. it is likely installed. remove it and any package like it that's installed
[00:39] <mint3> help mesort it out please. once i do it, ill be able to do it by myself
[00:40] <mint3> ok
[00:40] <mint3> there ialso linux-trtricted-modules-generics
[00:40] <bsnider> now, search for "backports"
[00:40] <bsnider> remove all of that stuff
[00:40] <bsnider> that's where that madwifi crap is coming from
[00:40] <xnguard> Does OpenJDK provide a Java Control Panel similar to the Sun JDK's?
[00:41] <mint3> there ialso linux-restricted-modules-generics and linux-resitrcted-module2.6.28.11-generic
[00:41] <mint3> shall i remove those too ?
[00:41] <bruce89> xnguard: nope
[00:41] <bsnider> make sure they're all removed
[00:41] <xnguard> bruce89: Is there any other way to access the related preferences?
[00:42] <mint3> ok removed them bsnider, which one do i need now ?
[00:42] <bsnider> search for "backports"
[00:42] <bruce89> xnguard: I'm not sure what it would do anyway
[00:43] <xnguard> bruce89: Among other things, I'd like to be able to control the cache policy.
[00:43] <bsnider> install the linux-backports-modules-jaunty package. it will pull in at least one other package too
[00:43] <mint3> jaunty-virtual or jaunty-generic ?
[00:43] <bsnider> jaunty a ll by itself
[00:44] <mint3> ok done, bsnider
[00:44] <bsnider> are they installed?
[00:44] <mint3> yes
[00:44] <mint3> all done bsnider
[00:45] <bsnider> alright reboot
[00:45] <mint3> ok let me do that
[00:46] <xnguard> bruce89: Is there a better place I can ask for help?
[00:47] <mint3> bsnider - i am back on . now what ?
[00:47] <bsnider> now it should work
[00:47] <bruce89> xnguard: not really, perhaps #ubuntu, but don't mention Jaunty
[00:47] <xnguard> bruce89: Okay.
[00:47] <mint3> bsnider - it is not , still a red cross on the wireless in the taskbar
[00:48] <bsnider> the openjdk home page, wherever that is
[00:48] <bsnider> mint3, open a console and type iwconfig
[00:49] <mint3> ok
[00:49] <mint3> it says :
[00:49] <bsnider> pastebin it
[00:49] <mint3> lo - no wireless extensions
[00:49] <mint3> eth0
[00:49] <bsnider> !pastebin
[00:49] <mint3> and pan0
[00:49] <mint3> same thing bsnider for lo, eth0 and pan0
[00:50] <bsnider> is the wireless card turned on?
[00:50] <mint3> i have pressed the button a million times
[00:51] <mint3> i press and let go. then i press for longer
[00:51] <mint3> still nothing
[00:51] <mint3> but when i boot on windows it works
[00:51] <bsnider> is there some kind of indicator light?
[00:51] <mint3> yeah it seems to be off, bsnider ?
[00:52] <bsnider> mint3, in the console, type sudo modprobe ath5k
[00:53] <mint3> it says "warning - all config files need .conf :/etc/modprobe.d/ndiswrapper, it will be ignored in a future release
[00:53] <bsnider> guhh
[00:54] <bsnider> that hideous thing
[00:54] <mint3> what does it mean, bsnider ?
[00:54] <bsnider> you've befouled your ssytem by installing ndiswrapper
[00:54] <mint3> oh
[00:55] <bsnider> did you remove it?
[00:55] <mint3> i asked for help and they told me to do that. i didnt know
[00:55] <mint3> i did what u told me to do
[00:55] <bsnider> who did?
[00:55] <mint3> how do i get rid of ndiswrapper
[00:55] <bsnider> how did youinstall it?
[00:55] <mint3> i typed whatever the chap wanted me to
[00:55] <mint3> what shall  i do
[00:56] <bsnider> alright
[00:56] <bsnider> open up synaptic again
[00:56] <mint3> ok
[00:56] <bsnider> search for ndiswrapper
[00:56] <mint3> then
[00:56] <mint3> yeah it says
[00:56] <mint3> "ndigtk, nddiswrapper utils and common installed
[00:57] <bsnider> ok, i want you to remove htem by right-clicking and selecting "mark for complete removal"
[00:58] <mint3> done, bsnider
[00:58] <bsnider> reboot
[00:58] <mint3> u are the man
[00:58] <mint3> i see
[00:58] <vigo> I could not report the bug, but I managed to save the logs, file ate Launchpad?
[00:59] <mint3> basically i shouldnt have installed ndiswrapper ?
[00:59] <vigo> *at
[00:59] <bsnider> mint3, you should have done some research into what driver applies to your hardware
[00:59] <mint3> bsnider - seems to work, let me reboot
[00:59] <mint3> bsnider - yeah, i will
[00:59] <mint3> i must say thank you. if this happens, at least i know what to do next time
[00:59] <mint3> what are the "backports" ?
[01:00] <mint3> took me couple of days, release of the jaunty beta
[01:00] <crdlb> linux-backports-modules-jaunty has newer kernel modules for jaunty's kernel
[01:00] <bsnider> backports are newer versions of some drivers than the ones in hte kernel
[01:00] <mint3> im sure thwey should be in update manager for others who have same problem
[01:01] <bsnider> most people find the ath5k that ships in the current kernel unusable
[01:01] <mint3> what??
[01:01] <mint3> bsnider - rebooted
[01:01] <mint3> now again its showing the cross. what the hell
[01:01] <mint3> it worked a second ago before i rebooted
[01:01] <crdlb> hmm, the 242x worked with the backports package in intrepid, so you'd think it'd work out of the box on jaunty
[01:02] <bsnider> crdlb, it probably does, but not well
[01:02] <mint3> jesus, it worked a minute ago, crdlb and bsnider
[01:02] <crdlb> I tested jaunty beta on my 242x, but I was too lazy to get the WPA passphrase
[01:02] <bsnider> open a console and type iwconfig
[01:02] <crdlb> but nm-applet at least showed the access point
[01:03] <mint3> ok
[01:03] <mint3> same thing as before, bsnider
[01:03] <mint3> kim eth0 and pan0 - no wireless extensions
[01:03] <so20f> can i use update manager to upgrade to jaunty?
[01:03] <bsnider> ok, type sudo modprobe ath5k
[01:03] <mint3> !jaunty
[01:03] <mint3> ok bsnider
[01:04] <mint3> what
[01:04] <mint3> says the same thing
[01:04] <bsnider> is wifi working?
[01:04] <mint3> all config files need. conf : .etc.nmodprobe.d/ndsiwrapper it wil be igniored in a future release
[01:04] <mint3> yes
[01:04] <mint3> surprising it is now
[01:05] <mint3> whats going on , bsnider ?
[01:05] <mint3> if i reboot next time will i have to type sudo modprobe ath5k again ?
[01:06] <bsnider> mint3, you can add the ath5k module to the /etc/modules file thus forcing it to load at startup
[01:06] <mint3> how do i manage that bsnider ?
[01:07] <bsnider> hit alt+F2
[01:07] <bsnider> type gksu gedit /etc/modules
[01:07] <mint3> ok
[01:07] <bsnider> start a new line in the file and type ath5k. save it. reboot
[01:07] <mint3> ok
[01:08] <mint3> otherwise it seems to be working fine, bsnider
[01:08] <crdlb> I wonder why that's needed :/
[01:08] <bsnider> well, at least there's that
[01:08] <mint3> mm very odd why it happens tho
[01:08] <bsnider> crdlb, his precious configuration files have become infected by the hateful ndiswrapper
[01:08] <crdlb> heh
[01:08] <bsnider> i'd reintall everything
[01:08] <so20f> my wifi works, i *had* to use the network manager program, trying to do it strictly via command is  a straight up nightmare, dmesg always printed out disassociated by local choice (-3)
[01:09] <crdlb> nm 0.7 is pretty good
[01:09] <bsnider> mint3, do you know what ndiswrapper is?
[01:09] <so20f> and to this day, still can't configure the card with iwconfig via command line. need to use the network manager
[01:09] <crdlb> would be nice if it could start before the desktop though
[01:09] <mint3> bsnider - yeah
[01:09] <mint3> basically using windows drivers right ?
[01:10] <crdlb> yep
[01:10] <bsnider> yes
[01:10] <bsnider> filthy, disgusting windows kernel modules
[01:10] <mint3> the people who helped advised me to do it
[01:10] <crdlb> it's a nice fallback option to have
[01:10] <mint3> ouch i sense animosity towards windows here lol
[01:10] <mint3> it helps for a numpty like me
[01:10] <mint3> i want to shift to ubuntu though
[01:11] <bsnider> mint3, what is the laptop model?
[01:12] <mint3> it is acer  aspire 5720
[01:12] <mint3> intel core 2 duo t 7500
[01:12] <bsnider> oh, it's an acer. that explains why it's so crappy
[01:12] <so20f> mint3, acer :( bad . need to buy a pcmcia card dude...
[01:12] <so20f> same problem here.
[01:13] <mint3> its got a decent processor thats why i opted for it
[01:13] <mint3> t7500
[01:13] <mint3> compared to many others with crappier processors andm ore expensive
[01:13] <bsnider> true but dell and hp make laptops tested with linux
[01:14] <so20f> mint3, my mom bought the same laptop, i ended up wiping the drive clean, installing linux, and buying a pcmcia card..
[01:14] <mint3> oh right so20f
[01:14] <mint3> i mean for the price i paid for a t7500 processor, few months ago looked fine
[01:14] <so20f> good laptops, cheap hardware....so cheap they make it so the software needs to do the work....which relies on windows...
[01:15] <bsnider> they're known for making cheap worthless junk
[01:15] <mint3> ugh
[01:15] <bsnider> and offering practiaclly no support at all
[01:15] <mint3> bsnider, but dont u reckon the t7500 was worth it ?
[01:15] <mint3> yeah true bsnider
[01:15] <bsnider> no, i don't reckon that
[01:16] <mint3> why not? i mean when u buy a pc/laptop what do u look for and also what kinda budget u get
[01:16] <so20f> yah, i bought my 7104 just becuase of the 17" widescreen....didn't care about anything else. bought a atheros card to pair up with aircrack :)
[01:16] <bsnider> i've never bought a laptop
[01:17] <bsnider> i build my own desktops and research the hardware to make sure it will work with linux
[01:17] <mint3> yes
[01:17] <mint3> but the average person, bsnider, goes to "curries" "dixons" "pcworld"
[01:17] <bsnider> the t7k series is already 2 generations out of date anyway
[01:17] <mint3> to buy a pc/laptop
[01:17] <mint3> is it, bsnider?
[01:17] <bsnider> there's the t9k series and the new i7
[01:18] <mint3> right
[01:18] <mint3> it was affordable, so i got it
[01:18] <so20f> yup, laptops you see on the shelve are already outdated and discontinued. reason i buy the $399 laptops...
[01:18] <so20f> technology in general.
[01:18] <mint3> didnt think acer was so not good at support
[01:18] <so20f> oh yeah ,they suck ass. expect to be on your own.....
[01:18] <bsnider> does acer actually have aphone numebr you can call for support?
[01:19] <mint3> i never tried yet bsnider, i assume they do
[01:19] <mint3> whats your pc specs, bsnider
[01:20] <bsnider> core 2 quad q6600, 4gb ddr2-800, nvidia 8800gt, all intel chipset, sb audigy 1
[01:20] <mint3> yeah am on a q6600 too, 3 gb tho and ati
[01:20] <mint3> i also learnt that linux likes nvidia more than ati
[01:21] <bsnider> i also own 2 atheros wifi cards by d-link that work fine although i'm not currently using them
[01:21] <mint3> can u make the most of ubuntu from your quad ?
[01:21] <mint3> i see
[01:21] <so20f> my hdd died 3 months later. bought another one from newegg. went with a smaller drive so i could afford the 7200
[01:21] <so20f> rpm
[01:21] <bsnider> this system is extremely fast with the new ext4 file system, but an i7 based system would be at least 3 times faster
[01:22] <bsnider> maybe 4
[01:22] <bsnider> maybe 5
[01:22] <mint3> jeez
[01:22] <mint3> i7 sounds like the dogs balls then
[01:22] <bsnider> with ddr3-1333 ram
[01:22] <mint3> bet they still expensive
[01:22] <bsnider> yeah, for the time being, but that changes fast
[01:23] <mint3> i must say , the quad is a silent beast too
[01:23] <mint3> i was wondering if i increased ram, would linux see that ? i know windows got a problem with over 3 gb ram
[01:24] <bsnider> mint3, it will see it if you use the amd64 version, which you should be using anyway
[01:24] <Lunie2ns>  Hello, can anyone help me, I am new, using Ubuntu 9.04, on my laptop I have Broadcom Corporation BCM4318 AirForce One 54g 802.11g Wireless LAN Controller (rev 02),  and I am trying to connect to a TEW-611BRP router wirelessly, any help?..
[01:24] <mint3> bsnider - the q6600 is a 64 bit platform ?
[01:24] <rww> mint3: all Core 2 can run 32-bit or 64-bit ubuntu
[01:25] <jtholmes> !wireless
[01:25] <bsnider> mint3, all core 2 duo processors are 64 bit
[01:25]  * DanaG has a nice laptop: Core 2 Duo P8600 (better battery life than T9400), 4 gigs DDR2-800, 250gig 7200rpm drive, ATI HD3650.
[01:25] <mint3> my laptop is a core 2 duo
[01:25] <bsnider> DanaG, i like it except for the ati card
[01:25] <mint3> nice, DanaG
[01:27] <bsnider> mint3, core i7 benchmarks against older stuff: http://global.phoronix-test-suite.com/?k=profile&u=dax-3090-1044-24356
[01:27] <mint3> my next question is : do u think i should update my jaunty to a 64 bit one ?
[01:27] <DanaG> aCTUALly, I chose the ATI card on purpose.
[01:27] <DanaG> Even had to customize to order to get it.
[01:27] <bsnider> mint3, you have to clean install to do that, but yes
[01:28] <mint3> wow, bsnider
[01:28] <DanaG> HP EliteBook 8530w.
[01:28] <mint3> this is stunning difference with the i7 proc
[01:28] <bsnider> DanaG, price?
[01:28] <bsnider> mint3, look at the ramspeed numbers
[01:28] <DanaG> With Computrace and ADP for 3 years, it came to 2200.
[01:28] <DanaG> US dollars.
[01:29] <DanaG> Actually, if I could do it again, I'd have added onsite service.
[01:29] <bsnider> not bad, except for the ati card
[01:29] <DanaG> Preconfigured ones are way cheaper.
[01:29] <mint3> wow
[01:29] <mint3> im fallin in love with the i7
[01:29] <DanaG> ATI card uses like 5 or 10 fewer watts than the nvidia, though.
[01:29] <DanaG> And I prefer ATI's windows drivers over nvidia's windows drivers.
[01:29] <bsnider> nvidia's cards can do onboard h.264 decoding. ati can't
[01:29] <mint3> DanaG - what difference did u notice ?
[01:30] <DanaG> With mine, after tweaking laptop-mode (with journal commit time set to 15 minutes), I get an estimated 4 hours, depending on what I'm doing.
[01:30] <mint3> DanaG - what do u mean by laptop-mode?
[01:30] <mint3> power management u mean ?
[01:31] <DanaG> laptop-mode-tools -- lets me keep the hard drive spun down.
[01:31] <mint3> DanaG -  can i use that u reckon on my laptop ?
[01:31] <bsnider> DanaG, do you still have windows on it?
[01:31] <DanaG> Yeah.
[01:32] <mint3> where can i get laptop-mode-tools ?
[01:32] <mint3> synaptic or add/remove
[01:32] <DanaG> My last few things that tie me to Windows are all Direct3D games.
[01:32] <DanaG> It's installed by default, but not set up.
[01:32] <mint3> DanaG - How do i get it up and running ?
[01:33] <DanaG> Also, the ubuntu package is rather broken; download the one from upstream debian.
[01:33] <mint3> urm, how? can you help me download/set it up pleasE?
[01:35] <DanaG> http://samwel.tk/laptop_mode/packages/debian
[01:36] <mint3> would that work on ubuntu yes ?
[01:38] <DanaG> Yeah.
[01:38] <DanaG> Just be aware that things like FIrefox like to repeatedly wake up the hard drive.
[01:39] <mint3> do you use your laptop a lot ?
[01:39] <DanaG> Oh yeah, set apm to more like 128 or so, not '1'.
[01:39] <DanaG> One thing I dislike about my new laptop's Seagate 250G 7200RPM is that it's way slower at spinning up than the Hitachi 200 gig 7200rpm I had in my old laptop.
[01:40] <DanaG> Old one took like 1/2 second; new one is like 3/4 or 4/5 second.
[01:40] <myk_robinson> hey, guys. have any of you installed VirtualBox in Jaunty yet? Is it okay to just use the one for Intrepid?
[01:40] <DanaG> yeah, works fine for me that way.
[01:41] <DanaG> ANother issue I had with my laptop:
[01:41] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fglrx-installer/+bug/314600
[01:41] <myk_robinson> thank you, just wasnt sure if it would cause any problems using one that is supposedly Intrepid specific
[01:42] <myk_robinson> works like a champ on my laptop, just luck i guess.
[01:42] <mint3> battery life is crap on this acer
[01:42] <myk_robinson> Actually, i replaced the wifi chip in it due to problems with the Intel 3954ABG
[01:43] <DanaG> Yeah, everyone says intel wifi is sooooo awesome for linux... but in my experience, it's been rather crappy.
[01:44] <DanaG> Frankly, I've actually had fewer problems with some BROADCOM.
[01:44] <myk_robinson> i bought an atheros 5007 for $20 US dollars. I bought a few, actually, I keep them on hand for friends if they need one :)
[01:44] <myk_robinson> the madwifi-hal driver works great
[01:45] <myk_robinson> only real issue I am having is that the Google Calendar feature was broken in this release.
[01:45] <DanaG> Too bad HP has a whitelist for wifi cards.
[01:45] <myk_robinson> no way to pass a username and password to get my calendar, but it worked fine in Intrepid
[01:46] <PhotoJim> WiFi has its issues on Windows too, but yes, it's still a bit of a work in progress on Linux, I agree.
[01:46] <DanaG> Oh yeah, and this laptop has UEFI firmware, too.
[01:47] <myk_robinson> my wifi worked out of the gate with Januty, but it seemed sluggish. The madwifi-hal driver makes it perform like it should
[01:47] <myk_robinson> what is UEFI?
[01:47] <DanaG> http://www.uefi.org/
[01:47] <DanaG> er
[01:47] <DanaG> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extensible_Firmware_Interface
[01:47] <BHSPitCSP> So I did a major -Syu, and afterward I'm unable to use my mouse or keyboard in X... Anywhere I should start troubleshooting?
[01:48] <bsnider> DanaG, linus had madouthed efi
[01:50] <bsnider> PhotoJim, wifi also has major mac issues
[01:51] <PhotoJim> bsnider: you mean mac as in Macintosh?  or mac as in mac addresses?
[01:52] <bsnider> PhotoJim, apple
[01:52] <myk_robinson> bsnider: where do i know you from? maybe we've just spoken on IRC before, but that name looks very familiar
[01:53] <bsnider> myk_robinson, i've seen you in this channel from time to tim back int he intrepid development days
[01:54] <curt> i need help getting sound working can anyone assist?
[01:55] <curt> anyone?
[01:55] <LjL> !anyone
[01:56] <LjL> !sound
[01:57] <Lunie2ns> If i want to install ndiswrapper driver onto my laptop from a cd, since i dont have a network connection on the laptop yet, from the ndiswrapper-1.54.tar.gz file what would i type to install it?
[01:58] <myk_robinson> Lunie2ns: first, make sure that the cdrom is not disabled in /etc/apt/sources.list,  i think it gets commented out after installation
[01:58] <myk_robinson> then    sudo apt-get install ndiswrapper-common ndiswrapper-utils-1.9
[01:58] <myk_robinson> what wifi chipset you got?
[01:58] <curt> can someone please just help me
[01:59] <myk_robinson> curt: can you provide more details? what's going on?
[01:59] <curt> well the sound just does not work
[01:59] <curt> i am not sure how to make it work
[01:59] <myk_robinson> what is your hardware?
[01:59] <curt> how can i find out?
[01:59] <myk_robinson> is this a laptop or desktop?
[02:00] <curt> desktop
[02:00] <curt> built by my father
[02:00] <Lunie2ns> BCM4318
[02:00] <myk_robinson> just a sec..
[02:00] <LjL> curt: watch the attitude. everyone's a volunteer, and no one's a mind reader.
[02:00] <myk_robinson> curt: you know how to use pastebin?
[02:00] <curt> yes
[02:01] <myk_robinson> please pastebin the results of    sudo lshw
[02:01] <myk_robinson> that will tell us your hardware
[02:01] <myk_robinson> run that command in the terminal
[02:01] <Lunie2ns> myk_robinson im new to linux pretty muc..doesnt apt-get require an established internet connection?
[02:02] <myk_robinson> Lunie2ns: not if your source is the cd. In the terminal, run     sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list   and if the cdrom is commented out, simply remove the # sign at the front of that line, then look at the bottom of the screen for the key press to save and exit
[02:02] <myk_robinson> Lunie2ns: sorry, i'm a console freak, you can do all this in Synaptic too :)
[02:02] <curt> http://paste.debian.net/32099/
[02:02] <Lunie2ns> myk_robinson: ill try that..at the top left i have a cdrom icon tho on my gui
[02:03] <myk_robinson> curt: with that audio chip, you SHOULD have audio. Have you triple checked all aspects of your mixer?
[02:04] <curt> how would i do that?
[02:04] <Lunie2ns> myk_robinson: ok what # am i looking for exactly?
[02:04] <myk_robinson> Lunie2ns: are you doing this in console?
[02:04] <myk_robinson> or in synaptic
[02:04] <Lunie2ns> terminal?
[02:04] <myk_robinson> you comfortable with console?
[02:04] <myk_robinson> terminal, console, same thing
[02:04] <Lunie2ns> not sure i used that...im in terminal right now
[02:05] <Lunie2ns> ok
[02:05] <myk_robinson> just a sec, lemme look at mine
[02:05] <curt> k
[02:05] <myk_robinson> Lunie2ns: the first line of your file should say something like   deb cdrom:[Ubuntu.........
[02:06] <myk_robinson> remove the # from the front of that line, if one is there
[02:06] <myk_robinson> is there one?
[02:06] <Lunie2ns> # deb cdrom:[Ubuntu 9.04 ...etc...
[02:06] <myk_robinson> BTW, the correct path for the file is /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:06] <myk_robinson> think i left off the "s" before
[02:06] <Lunie2ns> ok so remove that and the space?
[02:06] <myk_robinson> curt: be right with you, sorry
[02:06] <Lunie2ns> no s was there :)
[02:06] <curt> its fine thanks for the help
[02:07] <myk_robinson> Lunie2ns: yes, then press ctrl+x
[02:07] <myk_robinson> it will ask you if you wish to save, press Y
[02:07] <myk_robinson> Lunie2ns: next, with the CD in the drive, run   sudo apt-get update
[02:08] <Lunie2ns> ok should i extract it before putting on cd or leave as is ?
[02:08] <myk_robinson> curt: right-click on your volume control icon and select "open volume control". Make sure all the sliders under playback are turned up
[02:09] <myk_robinson> Lunie2ns: extract what? just put the cd in, when you run the update command, it will look at the cd as a software repository. When you install the package, it will extract properly itself
[02:09] <curt> they all are
[02:09] <myk_robinson> curt: what is showing as the device?
[02:09] <Lunie2ns> also sshould i put wireless assistant on the disk too to help find wireless networks?
[02:09] <myk_robinson> no, Network Manager is fine
[02:09] <Lunie2ns> ok
[02:09] <curt> HDA Intel (Alsa mixer)
[02:09] <Lunie2ns> ok ill burn the disk now
[02:09] <myk_robinson> Lunie2ns: WAIT
[02:10] <Lunie2ns> myk_robinson yes?
[02:10] <myk_robinson> what is this disk you are talking about? I thought you were just using a Jaunty disk, is this not the case?
[02:10] <Lunie2ns> no..should it be on the jaunty disc?
[02:10] <myk_robinson> lets start over, sorry i misunderstood
[02:10] <myk_robinson> have you just downloaded the files on another computer or something?
[02:11] <Lunie2ns> yah im on my desktop and laptop is next to me...but the jaunty disc is in the drive...should i check to see if its on there first?
[02:11] <myk_robinson> the commands i gave you is to use the jaunty disk as a software source.
[02:12] <Lunie2ns> ok lemme try
[02:12] <myk_robinson> curt: stupid question.... do you have your speakers plugged into the correct port, and do they normally work?
[02:12] <myk_robinson> i have the same audio chipset in my laptop, it works fine
[02:12] <curt> leeme check
[02:13] <curt> yes it is pluged in and usually works
[02:13] <Lunie2ns> myk_robinson ok it tried a bunch of websites...
[02:13] <myk_robinson> anyone got any further ideas for curt other than checking alsamixer?
[02:13] <DanaG> oh yeah, another thing ATI can do that nvidia can't (in Windows): thinks like HDR+AA in Oblivion.
[02:13] <Ienorand> curt: what kinds of volume controls do you have in the volume manager? I get (for ICH8) master, PCM, and Front which will all affect volume....
[02:13] <myk_robinson> Lunie2ns: yeah, it will because the online repositories are attmepting to update as well
[02:13] <myk_robinson> did the command complete? I expect it to with some errors for the online stuff
[02:14] <Lunie2ns> do i neeed to restart for it to check cd drive?
[02:14] <curt> Master, PCM, Front, Front Line, Front Mic
[02:14] <Ienorand> curt: and all turned up? Then I don't know....
[02:15] <curt> yes they are all turned up
[02:15] <Lunie2ns> myk_robinson: i got Ign cdrom://Ubuntu 9.04 ........ jaunty/main Translation-en_US
[02:15] <Lunie2ns> and /restrictedd Translation-en_US
[02:15] <curt> i am going to restart computer brb
[02:16] <myk_robinson> Lunie2ns: after that all completes, try   sudo apt-get install ndiswrapper-common
[02:16] <Lunie2ns> ok...
[02:16] <myk_robinson> BTW, anybody, please correct me if i give out bad informtion
[02:16] <Lunie2ns> Reading Database...
[02:16] <myk_robinson> it happens sometimes
[02:17] <Lunie2ns> myk_robinson ok appears to finished
[02:17] <myk_robinson> now,    sudo apt-get install ndiswrapper-utils-1.9
[02:18] <myk_robinson> you'd think by now they'd just include the dang thing in a normal installation
[02:18] <Lunie2ns> heh
[02:18] <Lunie2ns> ok done
[02:18] <curt> back
[02:18] <myk_robinson> Lunie2ns: again, what wifi is this for?
[02:18] <Lunie2ns> BCM4318
[02:18] <myk_robinson> just a sec..
[02:18] <curt> if i put the speaker up to my ear i can hear it
[02:18] <Lunie2ns> Broadcom Corporation BCM4318 AirForce One 54g 802.11g Wireless LAN Controller (rev 02)
[02:18] <curt> but not clearly
[02:18] <curt> very low
[02:19] <myk_robinson> curt: in terminal, try alsamixer and see if anything "invisible" is still turned down or something. Should be a fairly intuitive interface
[02:20] <curt> everything is up
[02:20] <myk_robinson> Lunie2ns: please pastebin the output of    ndiswrapper -l
[02:20] <myk_robinson> that is a lowercase "L"
[02:21] <Lunie2ns> myk_robinson ok i typed that and it juse gave me the xxx@xxx-laptop:~$ prompt
[02:21] <myk_robinson> okay. Do you already have the driver you need?
[02:22] <Ienorand> curt: try to enable all volume controls through preferences and go though all devices to see if any one does the trick
[02:22] <Lunie2ns> um...isnt that was ndiswrapper does?
[02:22] <Lunie2ns> or the windows version?
[02:22] <myk_robinson> no, it is simply a wrapper.. You need the windows driver. Just a sec, i'll get you one
[02:23] <myk_robinson> Lunie2ns: are you on a linux machine now?
[02:23] <jeiworth> hi @ll beta testers
[02:23] <Lunie2ns> no this is windows
[02:23] <myk_robinson> okay, grab this file however you can    ftp://ftp.hp.com/pub/softpaq/sp34001-34500/sp34152.exe
[02:23] <Lunie2ns> myk_robinson the laptop should be accessible,..its win/linux dualboot
[02:23] <myk_robinson> Internet Explorer should grab the file using that link
[02:24] <myk_robinson> better yet, hang on, I'll do it, extract what you need, and post it back up here
[02:24] <myk_robinson> windows will try to actually install the file, and your linux machine probably doesnt have cabextract yet
[02:25] <DanaG> actually, you should be able to wine the 'spXXXX' executables.
[02:26] <DanaG> Those files are self-extracting zip files, or such.
[02:26] <DanaG> The actual driver install in Windows is a separate step.
[02:27] <myk_robinson> Lunie2ns: grab this file, put it in a FOLDER in the linux machine, then right click and extract it
[02:27] <myk_robinson> http://www.sendspace.com/file/h3z44o
[02:27] <curt> i can hear the music
[02:27] <myk_robinson> be sure to put it in a folder, its a lot of files
[02:27] <curt> but barley
[02:27] <curt> from the speakers
[02:27] <curt> could they have blown out?
[02:27] <myk_robinson> curt: have you used Linux on this machine before? has it worked historically?
[02:27] <curt> yes
[02:27] <curt> ever since now
[02:27] <myk_robinson> Do you have some headphones or something else to test with?
[02:28] <curt> yes headphones
[02:28] <myk_robinson> please try the headphones. sounds like they may be blown. Kinda sounds like powered speakers with no power
[02:28] <myk_robinson> Lunie2ns: let me know when you;re ready to proceed
[02:29] <curt> got it to work with the speakers
[02:29] <myk_robinson> curt: what did you do?
[02:29] <curt> if the plug is not all the way in it works
[02:29] <myk_robinson> that is jacked up, no pun intended
[02:30] <curt> ?
[02:30] <curt> what do you mean?
[02:30] <myk_robinson> curt: when you do volume control-->preferences, do you have any extra stuff that is not checked, like swithcs?
[02:30] <myk_robinson> curt: bad joke about the "jack", that's all
[02:30] <curt> okay
[02:30] <curt> well thanks for the help
[02:31] <myk_robinson> just a cleaner way of saying f'ed up
[02:31] <curt> yes i was about to punch a whole in the monitor
[02:31] <curt> lol
[02:31] <DanaG> speaking of "no pun intended"... http://xkcd.com/559/
[02:32] <myk_robinson> curt: do these happen to be "digital speakers"? that is why i am asking about switches in the volume control preferences. I have a lot of extra options on mine that do not show sliders unless i turn them on.
[02:32] <myk_robinson> Lunie2ns: you still around?
[02:32] <Lunie2ns> myk_robinson actually i browsed to my system32 and the BCMWL5.sys file is there that XP uses, should i try that first?
[02:33] <myk_robinson> you will also need the accompanying .inf file.. Or you could just download the stuff i posted     http://www.sendspace.com/file/h3z44o
[02:33] <myk_robinson> its only 3MB
[02:33] <myk_robinson> got everything you need
[02:33] <Lunie2ns> ok shouldi extract it first or leave as zip?
[02:34] <myk_robinson> whichever you prefer
[02:34] <curt> http://www.gs-com.bz/images/logitech%20x240.jpg
[02:34] <myk_robinson> just need to get 'em into the linux box so ndiswrapper can load them
[02:34] <DanaG> Ironically, it's easier to find broadcom drivers for Linux than it is for Windows.  OEMs like to lock down their broadcom drivers to only their hardware -- and broadcom themselves don't release ANY! drivers.
[02:34] <curt> that is it without the ipod holder
[02:35] <myk_robinson> DanaG: i "stole" them from a HP softpaq installer
[02:35] <myk_robinson> had to do this same thing on my old laptop.
[02:35] <myk_robinson> Once you've learned the process, it literally takes about two minutes to get those wifi's working
[02:35] <myk_robinson> seems like a daunting task at first, but after you;ve done it once, there's really nothing to it.
[02:36] <myk_robinson> its just that a lot of people fear typing unless its is on a social networking site or something :)
[02:36] <myk_robinson> wish someone here could help me with a leaky roof
[02:36] <DanaG> ARGH! SOMETHING keeps muting my damned pcm slider on my onboard sound card.
[02:36] <myk_robinson> DanaG: you on a laptop?
[02:37] <mint3> am a plumber
[02:38] <myk_robinson> mint3: need a roofer :(  think i got leaks on my ridge caps, water trails a few rafters in the attic, then drips onto the ceiling through the insulation...
[02:38] <DanaG> yeah.
[02:38] <mint3> then  u get mould growing
[02:38] <mint3> cos of the humidity
[02:38] <myk_robinson> DanaG: do you have capacitive tough volume control?
[02:38] <myk_robinson> mint3: you are correct
[02:38] <DanaG> Yeah... but that controls master, not pcm.
[02:38] <myk_robinson> I am keeping it bleached until I can fix the roof
[02:38] <mint3> mm mould *can* be dangerous if you dont sort it out
[02:38] <DanaG> The hotkeys are working fine.
[02:39] <myk_robinson> DanaG: I ask that because mine had a tendency to "stick" sometimes and mess with the volume
[02:39] <mint3> can cause a lot of respiratory ill effects
[02:39] <mint3> id suggest u get that sorted sooner than later.
[02:39] <myk_robinson> mint3: I am sorry, we havent experienced mold yet, just mildew
[02:39] <DanaG> oh yeah, and the new notify-osd makes it damn near impossible to reduce the volume once you hit max volume and get a few more key repeats.
[02:39] <myk_robinson> mint3: gotta wait till the rain stops :(  I got plastic up there now
[02:39] <DanaG> It sits there BLINKING at you.  "OMG, I'M AT MAX VOLUME!!!"
[02:39] <mint3> ah man
[02:40] <DanaG> Meanwhile, it's pegged, and it lags on reducing volume.
[02:40] <DanaG> ... and eats CPU the whole time.
[02:40] <myk_robinson> dang.. anyway to disable the touch volume?
[02:40] <myk_robinson> I rebooted mine and just never touched the thing again.. Instead i use the Fn key combination for volume
[02:41] <Lunie2ns> hmmm weird...brb...now windows isnt seeing my cdrom...i just burned ubuntu like 2 hours ago lol
[02:41] <mint3> myk_robinson = http://www.doityourself.com/stry/controlleakyroof
[02:41] <Lunie2ns> gonna try rebooting
[02:41] <myk_robinson> Lunie2ns: got a thumb drive?
[02:42] <Lunie2ns> no..after i hooked them up to my dvd to watch divx windows could no longer see the drive :-/
[02:42] <myk_robinson> mint3: thanks for that! I planned to get up top in a few days with a boatload of tar and just go crazy on the ridge due to budgeting constraints
[02:42] <mint3> yeah let it dry properly and make sure its a dry day
[02:42] <mint3> good luck young skywalker !
[02:42] <myk_robinson> thing that sucks is there is no visible sign of damage from topside, so it will take some time and someone tapping from the inside to help locate the area
[02:43] <myk_robinson> just so we stay on topic, I will refer to my roof as "jaunty" :)
[02:43] <DanaG> Or a really, really, really bright LED flashlight.
[02:43] <myk_robinson> DanaG: that may not be a bad idea, look for it at night !
[02:43] <myk_robinson> mark it and tar in the morning
[02:44] <myk_robinson> tar -xvf leaky.roof
[02:44] <Lunie2ns> ill brb
[02:44] <mint3> ok, i need to return to the dark side now.
[02:44] <mint3> nite fellas.
[02:45] <myk_robinson> nice talking with you, goodnight
[02:45] <ghindo> I keep hearing my laptop's hard drive head parking excessively.  Is anybody else experiencing this?
[02:45] <myk_robinson> i had that in Intrepid but not Jaunty
[02:45] <mint3> exactly
[02:46] <mint3> same here, experienced it on intrepid. jaunty runs smooth
[02:46] <myk_robinson> ghindo: provided you are sure your laptop will be cool, try from console    sudo hdparm -B 254 /dev/sda
[02:46] <myk_robinson> should disable the power management on the drive.
[02:46] <myk_robinson> This will need to be run everytime you boot up, but i dont recommend it on battery power
[02:47] <myk_robinson> it still works, just may drain the battery faster
[02:47] <myk_robinson> you should notice the parking stop immediately upon running the command
[02:47] <mint3> cant u add it to /etc/modules ?
[02:47] <mint3> so you dont need to run it everytime u boot up
[02:47] <ghindo> myk_robinson: So that sort of behavior is normal while on battery power?
[02:47] <myk_robinson> to some extent
[02:47] <myk_robinson> Vista laptops do it all the time
[02:48] <myk_robinson> i used to run that command on mine all the time because i have VERY sensitive hearing and that noise drove me crazy
[02:48] <myk_robinson> I also monitored the hard drive heat while testing this to make sure it didnt get too hot
[02:48] <myk_robinson> Mine stayed fine, but some people reported needing to get a chill mat to keep things cooler
[02:48] <ghindo> myk_robinson: Interesting, thank you.  It's been driving me crazy as well.
[02:48] <myk_robinson> But i blow my laptop out every week or so to make sure vent ports dont get dust buildup
[02:48] <ghindo> That, and loose bearing in my laptop fan
[02:49] <ghindo> myk_robinson: What do you mean?
[02:49] <myk_robinson> ghindo: about blowing it out?
[02:49] <ghindo> myk_robinson: Yeah.
[02:49] <mint3> lol
[02:49] <DanaG> What brand hard drive?
[02:49] <myk_robinson> using a can of compressed air to blow dust out of the vent ports
[02:49] <DanaG> On Hitachi drives, you can actually persistently change the APM setting with HItachi Feature Tool.
[02:49] <DanaG> Might work for other drives, too.
[02:49] <bsnider> RAOF, what's the name of the nouveau driver when it's running?
[02:49] <ghindo> DanaG: I think it's a seagate
[02:50] <ghindo> myk_robinson: Oh, okay.  One of my coworkers told me that that could sometimes make it worse
[02:50] <DanaG> Mine makes this lovely "scrape"-ish sound every once in a long while.
[02:50] <myk_robinson> it can, but that is why we test before making a permanent change
[02:50] <DanaG> Try 254; if that doesn't work, try 255.
[02:50] <myk_robinson> before you start, hang on lemme find the command for hard drive temp check
[02:51] <ghindo> myk_robinson: Okay, sounds good
[02:51] <crdlb> bsnider: "name"?
[02:51] <myk_robinson> install the package   hddtemp
[02:51] <mint3> what does that package do, myk_robinson ?
[02:52] <myk_robinson> Hard Disk Drive Temperature
[02:52] <bsnider> crdlb, i'm asking what it would be called in the lsmod list
[02:52] <myk_robinson> myk@mobileOne:~/Temp$ sudo hddtemp /dev/sda
[02:52] <myk_robinson> /dev/sda: WDC WD2500BEVS-22UST0: 43°C
[02:52] <crdlb> bsnider: the kernel module is called nouveau.ko
[02:52] <DanaG> hah, ATI even suppots xbacklight; nvidia does not.
[02:52] <crdlb> the actual driver is nouveau_drv.so :)
[02:53] <Lunie2ns> myk_robinson back
[02:53] <ghindo> myk_robinson: Installed it, thanks for your help!
[02:53] <RAOF> bsnider: nouveau.
[02:53] <DanaG> !find libartsc.so.0
[02:53] <myk_robinson> ghindo: NP.  First, get a current reading by running   sudo hddtemp /dev/sda
[02:53] <DanaG> dang ut2k4.
[02:53] <DanaG> !find libartsc.so
[02:53] <crdlb> DanaG: apt-file
[02:53] <ghindo> myk_robinson: It's currently at 35 degrees, which seems reasonable
[02:53] <bsnider> RAOF, ty
[02:54] <myk_robinson> ghindo: now run the hdparm command, you'll notice the ticking stops.  Wait a few minutes then check the temp
[02:54] <myk_robinson> it should be a few degrees higher but nowhere near critical
[02:54] <Lunie2ns> myk_robinson ok disc is in the drive..i opened up the browser and see the folder...can  iinstall from CD or any particular directoy i should put it in?
[02:55] <DanaG> No candidate version found for libartsc0
[02:55] <myk_robinson> Lunie2ns: you'll want to make a folder on your hard drive to keep these files. Each time the kernel updates, you may need to reinstall the driver
[02:56] <Lunie2ns> myk_robinson ok i put it in the "home" folder
[02:56] <DanaG> ah, downloaded the intrepid version.
[02:56] <myk_robinson> after you get those on the computer, you'll need to navigate to the folder that contains them in the terminal
[02:56] <myk_robinson> then load the driver into ndiswrapper using    sudo ndiswrapper -i bcmwl5.inf
[02:58] <Lunie2ns> ok
[02:59] <Lunie2ns> doen
[02:59] <Lunie2ns> myk_robinson done*
[02:59] <myk_robinson> next,    ndiswrapper -l
[02:59] <myk_robinson> please post the results
[02:59] <Lunie2ns> bcmwl5 : driver installed
[03:00] <mint3> myk_robinson - i just installed something call sensors-applet from synaptics. how do i enable it ? or where do i go to get the gui. by the way i also downloaded "hddtemp"
[03:00] <myk_robinson> does it say anything about alternate driver?
[03:00] <Lunie2ns> device (14E4:4318) present (alternate driver: ssb)
[03:00] <myk_robinson> mint3: not sure about the sensors applet
[03:00] <myk_robinson> Lunie2ns:    sudo depmod -a
[03:00] <mint3> it did download and install. how do i run it ?
[03:00] <jimmyjames_> hey guyz how is the beta I'm thinking about trying it out
[03:00] <mint3> how do i run hddtemp too ?
[03:01] <Lunie2ns> myk_robinson ok back to prompt..guess its done with that
[03:01] <myk_robinson> mint3: from terminal,   sudo hddtemp /dev/sda
[03:01] <myk_robinson> or whatever the drive is you wish to see
[03:02] <myk_robinson> Lunie2ns: we need to remove a module or two to test this driver before making it permanent
[03:02] <mint3> wow. 45 degrees !
[03:02] <myk_robinson> mint3: a laptop?
[03:02] <mint3> yes
[03:02] <Lunie2ns> myk_robinson ok
[03:02] <myk_robinson> my WD has a max of 60 degrees celcius. it runs at 43 constantly
[03:03] <mint3> oic
[03:03] <myk_robinson> Lunie2ns: sudo rmmod b43
[03:03] <Lunie2ns> myk_robinson ok done
[03:03] <myk_robinson> Lunie2ns: sudo rmmod b44
[03:03] <myk_robinson> sudo rmmod b43legacy
[03:03] <myk_robinson> Lunie2ns: some of these may return errors, its okay
[03:04] <Lunie2ns> ok error ..on b44
[03:04] <myk_robinson> just want to make sure any possible conflicts are removed before loading the driver
[03:04] <myk_robinson> you get legacy removed?
[03:04] <myk_robinson> if so, next step is    sudo rmmod wl
[03:05] <Lunie2ns> same thing ERROR: Module b43legacy does not exist in /proc/modules
[03:05] <myk_robinson> thats fine
[03:05] <myk_robinson> after wl is   sudo rmmod ssb   followed by sudo rmmod ndiswrapper
[03:05] <myk_robinson> if all this works, we'll make it automatic so each time you boot, the driver is just loaded and running
[03:05] <myk_robinson> always like to test things first
[03:05] <myk_robinson> let me know when you're ready to load the driver up
[03:06] <Lunie2ns> ok think im ready...error on wl and ndiswrapper as well :)
[03:06] <myk_robinson> no prob
[03:07] <myk_robinson> next    sudo modprobe ndiswrapper           sudo modprobe ssb
[03:07] <myk_robinson> your wifi light "should" come on
[03:07] <Lunie2ns> two separate commands?
[03:07] <myk_robinson> yes
[03:08] <mint3> !modprobe | mint3
[03:08] <myk_robinson> modprobe is a command to load kernel modules on demand
[03:08] <Lunie2ns> ok
[03:08] <myk_robinson> think of kernel modules as "drivers"
[03:08] <myk_robinson> you got lights?
[03:08] <Lunie2ns> well i had to click the button, but its on now and network thing is spinning
[03:08] <myk_robinson> Lunie2ns: please pastebin the results of     sudo lshw -C network
[03:09] <myk_robinson> i need to be sure it is now using ndiswrapper instead of ssb
[03:09] <mint3> myk_robinson - how do u remember all those command lines ?
[03:09] <myk_robinson> i'm old
[03:09] <myk_robinson> mint3: been using Linux for about 3 years now. I have a knack for absorbing things like a sponge.
[03:09] <mint3> thats good
[03:09] <myk_robinson> I use the command line a lot, I like to know how things work under the hood
[03:09] <myk_robinson> actually, I'm 32 :)
[03:10] <mint3> yr young lad
[03:10] <mint3> am 57
[03:10] <Lunie2ns> myk_robinson ok ill have to type it all out... anything in particular u are looking for?
[03:10] <myk_robinson> look for a line near the bottom that says "driver="
[03:10] <myk_robinson> i need it for the wifi card
[03:11] <mint3> some people are not very fond of ndiswrapper *points* at bsnider
[03:11] <myk_robinson> i prefer a native solution, but i will use whatever works
[03:11] <myk_robinson> I bought an Atheros minipcie card for my laptop so i wouldn't have to do all this anymore
[03:11] <Lunie2ns> driver=ndiswrapper+bcml5 driverversion=1.53+Broadcom,10/12/2006, 4.100. latency=64 link=yes module=ndiswrapper....etc...anything else?
[03:12] <myk_robinson> awesome..
[03:12] <myk_robinson> Lunie2ns: are you able to connect to your network yet, or see any networks?
[03:12] <bsnider> ndiswrapper is like trying to force a square peg in a round hole
[03:12] <myk_robinson> true
[03:12] <mint3> lol
[03:12] <myk_robinson> but, if i can help someone without them having to go buy something, all the better
[03:12] <myk_robinson> it will let him do what he wants for now
[03:13] <mint3> any interesting programs i might want, myk_robinson ? or u found/find practical ?
[03:13] <myk_robinson> mint3: what do you wish to do?
[03:13] <myk_robinson> what are you into?
[03:14] <mint3> well, anything. example, earlier u were talking of the hddtemp, tried it, kinda helpful stuff
[03:14] <mint3> i mean whatever you find interesting/useful/practical
[03:14] <Lunie2ns> it sees the wireless router...trying to connect and put in the hex code
[03:15] <myk_robinson> really, i just use the dang thing :)   i fix windows computers all day, its nice to come home to Linux and just use it
[03:15] <myk_robinson> My most used apps are simple... Firefox, Evolution, and Rhythmbox
[03:15] <myk_robinson> ...and vuze
[03:15] <mint3> right o
[03:15] <mint3> and do u know how to unable laptop-mode-tools ?
[03:15] <myk_robinson> I run avant window navigator and copiz and screenlets for some eyecandy
[03:15] <scream> What is the best linux (ubuntu) backup system with a GUI?
[03:16] <myk_robinson> mint3: you mean enable?
[03:16] <mint3> yeah typo sorry
[03:16] <Lunie2ns> myk_robinson i keep getting an authentication window..maybe im doing it wrong for putting in the 26 digit hex pw?
[03:16] <myk_robinson> i think it is automatic in Jaunty
[03:16] <myk_robinson> Lunie2ns: @#$!! maybe you should switch to WPA2 encryption instead!
[03:16] <mint3> i see
[03:16] <myk_robinson> or, just for testing, turn off the encryption temporarily
[03:17] <Lunie2ns> not my router...im living with my fiance, and her brother set it up...and he moved lol
[03:17] <myk_robinson> Lunie2ns: is what brand of router?
[03:17] <Lunie2ns> her parents dont really want to mess with it
[03:17] <Lunie2ns> TrendNet lool
[03:17] <myk_robinson> OOOOOHHHH!
[03:17] <myk_robinson> are there any unsecure networks around?
[03:18] <mint3> usually, codes are like 12345 or 00000
[03:18] <mint3> depends i suppose
[03:18] <mint3> hoping he didnt change it ... lol
[03:18] <myk_robinson> if you left click on network manager, are there any other networks showing?
[03:18] <mint3> a full reboot of your router should settle that
[03:18] <myk_robinson> he'd have to do a 30/30/30 reset
[03:18] <mint3> in mine, i press hold for few seconds, and tada !
[03:19] <mint3> yeah
[03:19] <danbeck> What is the best way to report a bug specific to jaunty?
[03:19] <myk_robinson> hold power for 30 seconds, unplug while holding reset for another 30, then plug in power while holding for another 30
[03:19] <myk_robinson> !bugs
[03:19] <mint3> danbeck - there is an error report, launchpad
[03:19] <Lunie2ns> no houses really close
[03:19] <danbeck> so, you can just file a generic bug and it will end up tagged for jaunty?
[03:19] <danbeck> Inever say a way to specify a version of the distro
[03:19] <mint3> Lunie2ns - well mate! try resetting the router
[03:20] <danbeck> say = saw
[03:20] <myk_robinson> well, at least we're seeing the router, this is progress
[03:20] <Lunie2ns> ill keep trying to connect...is there any special way with the password?
[03:20] <mint3> well unless you have guessing powers...
[03:21] <Lunie2ns> i have the password to connect to the network...
[03:21] <Lunie2ns> just not to administer the router
[03:21] <myk_robinson> oh..
[03:21] <mint3> right o
[03:21] <mint3> anyway did u find it in the wireless list?
[03:21] <Lunie2ns> yes
[03:22] <Lunie2ns> the green dots with the blue thing swirling goes and then i get wieeless network authent required boxx
[03:22] <Rotund> How does USB connection detection work in Jaunty?
[03:22] <myk_robinson> in that case, you should be able to connect. You may have to change the settings in Network Manager when it asks for the password.. Does it give you any options regarding the hex?
[03:22] <myk_robinson> Rotund: for what device(s)?
[03:22] <Lunie2ns> ok i just connected
[03:22] <Lunie2ns> ok i am
[03:22] <mint3> good stuff
[03:22] <Lunie2ns> just went to google
[03:22] <Rotund> usb sound card... it's not even throwing a dmesg
[03:23] <myk_robinson> cool. Now we need to make this module permanent now that we know it works
[03:23] <Lunie2ns> k
[03:23] <myk_robinson> just a sec, need to find my notes
[03:23] <mint3> what you got all wallpaper on ur pc/laptop
[03:23] <Lunie2ns> ok
[03:23] <myk_robinson> sudo ndiswrapper -m
[03:23] <mint3> all = as
[03:24] <Lunie2ns> ok
[03:25] <myk_robinson> mint3: have a screenshot for you shortly
[03:25] <mint3> ta myk
[03:26] <myk_robinson> http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/4684/screenshotfig.jpg
[03:26] <myk_robinson> Lunie2ns: echo 'ndiswrapper' | sudo tee -a /etc/modules
[03:27] <mint3> c00l mike
[03:27] <mint3> what theme you got on ?
[03:27] <myk_robinson> Dust
[03:27] <mint3> i like the way you got the icons at the bottom?
[03:27] <myk_robinson> that is Avant Window Navigator
[03:27] <mint3> how do you mean ?
[03:27] <mint3> its on gnome-look right ?
[03:27] <myk_robinson> thats the name of the application, its in the repositories
[03:28] <myk_robinson> just open up synaptic and search for avant
[03:28] <mint3> ok let me try
[03:28] <myk_robinson> Lunie2ns: where you at?
[03:28] <myk_robinson> mint3: do you have desktop effects enabled?
[03:28] <myk_robinson> they are needed for this app
[03:28] <Lunie2ns> Did both of those myk
[03:28] <mint3> they are set to normal i think myk_robinson
[03:29] <myk_robinson> Lunie2ns: just a sec, need to get back to the note ;)
[03:29] <myk_robinson> echo 'ENABLED=0' | sudo tee -a /etc/default/wpasupplicant
[03:30] <Lunie2ns> ok
[03:30] <mint3> myk_robinson - i downloaded/installed it via synaptics
[03:30] <myk_robinson> jsut a sec, my daughter is going to bed
[03:31] <mint3> how do i get to it?
[03:31] <myk_robinson> she's so cute :)
[03:31] <mint3> heh :)
[03:31] <myk_robinson> mint3: press Alt+F2, then begin to type   avant   it should autocomplete, then press enter
[03:32] <mint3> no nothing shows up, myk_robinson
[03:32] <myk_robinson> Lunie2ns: put all this in the terminal at one time, then reboot at let me know if it still works:    http://pastebin.ca/1378547
[03:32] <myk_robinson> mint: when you press Alt+F2, do you get a run command thingy?
[03:32] <myk_robinson> the full command is avant-window-navigator
[03:32] <mint3> yep
[03:32] <mint3> i do
[03:32] <myk_robinson> I have mine set to run on bootup
[03:33] <myk_robinson> did the full command do it for you?
[03:33] <mint3> nope
[03:33] <mint3> oddly enough
[03:33] <myk_robinson> please run the command in a full terminal, maybe it wil give some output as to why it is not running
[03:33] <myk_robinson> this is weird being the one answering for a change
[03:34] <mint3> says command not found
[03:34] <tech0007> im on xubuntu, & I always get "fbsetbg: something went wrong while setting the wallpaper. run 'display ...blah blah from an exterm" this msg never goes away...any suggestion?
[03:34] <myk_robinson> go back into synaptic and make sure the package avant-window-navigator is installed
[03:35] <mint3> ok let me check synaptics
[03:35] <mint3> yeah the box is checked next to "avant-window-navigator-data 0.3.2-0ubuntu1
[03:36] <Rotund> nevermind
[03:36] <myk_robinson> look specifically for avant-window-navigator,  it is a different package
[03:36] <mint3> you`re right
[03:36] <mint3> let me try that one
[03:36] <Lunie2ns> ok myk imma reboot
[03:37] <myk_robinson> it should grab quite a few other packages too
[03:37] <mint3> its a theme right ?
[03:37] <mint3> is that what it is ?
[03:37] <myk_robinson> no, it is an application. It is just a dock bar similar to in Mac OSX
[03:37] <myk_robinson> i use it instead of the default panel that runs the bottom
[03:38] <myk_robinson> i have launchers for a few regularly used application, and it also expands and shows icons for running apps
[03:38] <mint3> sweet
[03:39] <zed> anyone tried amsn on 9.04 beta ?
[03:39] <zed> wont sign in for me
[03:39] <mint3> yes
[03:39] <myk_robinson> mint3: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avant_window_navigator
[03:39] <mint3> works fine
[03:39] <Lunie2ns> thats what im using lol
[03:39] <myk_robinson> zed: have you tried Pidgin? It should work for msn
[03:39] <zed> nooo i want my amsn
[03:39] <myk_robinson> mint3: use the manager to set up your launchers
[03:39] <zed> other people are reporting the same prob as me
[03:40] <zed> just thought id ask incase you guys had some fix
[03:40] <myk_robinson> zed: sorry, never used it myself
[03:40] <myk_robinson> Lunie2ns: the laptop back up yet?
[03:40] <Lunie2ns> myk_robinson ok it rebooted and it connected
[03:40] <myk_robinson> Lunie2ns: nice. Enjoy the wifi!
[03:40] <Lunie2ns> is there anyway to get rid of it asking for the key password?
[03:40] <myk_robinson> it keeps asking for it? it should remember it
[03:41] <Lunie2ns> not the one for the router..but for the umm..whats it called...idunno..i forget ill ahve to restart again lol
[03:41] <Lunie2ns> it was a password  i had to make for the list when i put in a wep password
[03:41] <myk_robinson> right click Network Manager, choose "edit connections" and edit your wireless settings for that particular ssid
[03:42] <Lunie2ns> ok its the access to keyring
[03:42] <myk_robinson> yeah
[03:42] <Lunie2ns> thats the box  iwanna rid of and the password
[03:42] <myk_robinson> oh, you should only need that once.
[03:42] <myk_robinson> i just use my login password
[03:42] <Lunie2ns> ok
[03:43] <Lunie2ns> i just made it test lol
[03:43] <Lunie2ns> so next time it shouldnt ask??
[03:43] <myk_robinson> right
[03:43] <myk_robinson> i think the keyring is for it to store paswords for you
[03:43] <Lunie2ns> ok
[03:43] <Lunie2ns> brb
[03:43] <Lunie2ns> thanks a lot too btw
[03:43] <myk_robinson> no problem, been there
[03:44] <myk_robinson> that's why i still had my notes on it :)
[03:44] <myk_robinson> i like to document stuff after i figure it out
[03:44] <Lunie2ns> oh and before i got..i downloaded a game to try out..its bz2 file...do i just go to the directory and sudo apt-install ***.bz2 or whatever to install?
[03:44] <Lunie2ns> got = go..ill be back in 5
[03:44] <myk_robinson> what game?
[03:44] <myk_robinson> mint3: whassup?
[03:44] <Lunie2ns> secondlife lol..met my fiance on it
[03:44] <mint3> hey myk
[03:44] <mint3> i was playing with avant
[03:45] <mint3> its decent
[03:45] <monkeyb> are there any docs on upgrading to jaunty via apt-get? I want to just download the packages now, then run the upgrade at the end of day
[03:45] <myk_robinson> default is not so hot, but after you customize it and set your widow minimization animation to "magic lamp", its pretty sweet
[03:45] <Lunie2ns> myk_robinson http://secondlife.com/support/downloads.php for your reference...lol..and brb
[03:45] <mint3> oh yeah
[03:45] <mint3> this is decent i do like it
[03:46] <myk_robinson> Lunie2ns: place the file in a folder and extract it first. I recommend a logical structure for file storage, like   /home/user/Downloads/SecondLife
[03:46] <danbhfive> monkeyb: you could use the alternate cd
[03:47] <myk_robinson> mint3: if you want to keep it and have it launch automatically, just add it as a startup app in   System-->Preferences-->Startup Applications    you may also wish to delete the normal bottom panel
[03:47] <mint3> yeah done that
[03:47] <myk_robinson> I set my AWN to auto hide as well, so it doesnt cover my windows, but pops up if i move the moue down
[03:47] <myk_robinson> mouse
[03:47] <mint3> o i see
[03:47] <mint3> let me do that then
[03:48] <mint3> think i screwed up the size, cant i change back to default ?
[03:48] <danbhfive> monkeyb: just download the cd, mount it, and then run the upgrade, per directions.  (and yes, I know that's not apt-get, but I've done the apt-get way, and its just harder)
[03:48] <myk_robinson> mint3: explain
[03:49] <myk_robinson> the bar expands automatically as applications are added.  Did you make it too wide or something?
[03:49] <mint3> ah right
[03:49] <mint3> cos its gone close to my taskbar, which i intend to get rid of now
[03:49] <monkeyb> danbhfive: fair enough. whatever works
[03:49] <monkeyb> thanks
[03:50] <myk_robinson> under Bar Appearance, I have:   3D look, rounded corners, 45, 48, 10
[03:51] <mint3> thats the 1
[03:52] <mint3> which icon effex u using myk
[03:52] <myk_robinson> classic
[03:52] <myk_robinson> try out some others, jus see what you like. Zoom is pretty cool.
[03:52] <myk_robinson> mint3: you up for some really cool customizations?
[03:52] <mint3> sure am
[03:53] <myk_robinson> just a sec, lemme get some package names for you
[03:53] <mint3> ta
[03:54] <myk_robinson> install simple-ccsm, compiz-fusion-plugins-unsupported, and compizconfig-settings-manager
[03:55] <mint3> what do they do
[03:55] <myk_robinson> you'll see very soon. Some awesome animations and eyecandy type stuff
[03:55] <myk_robinson> you gotta see the Magic Lamp effect
[03:55] <mint3> ah man ur tempting me
[03:55] <mint3> ok synaptics yes ?
[03:55] <myk_robinson> yes
[03:57] <Lunie2ns> myk_robinson back...ok made a folder called downloads under /home
[03:58] <mint3> ok done downloading/install simple-ccsm
[03:58] <myk_robinson> mint3: be sure to get the other packages too. You can check them all in one run
[03:59] <myk_robinson> Lunie2ns: this is up to you, but if you wanna be like Myk :) make a directory inside Downloads for Secondlife
[03:59] <myk_robinson> a place for everything, and everything in its place
[03:59] <Lunie2ns> did that
[03:59] <myk_robinson> then extract the tarball inside that directory.
[03:59] <Lunie2ns> did that
[03:59] <mint3> ok myk_robinson
[03:59] <myk_robinson> can you pastebin the contents of that folder?
[03:59] <mint3> done them all
[03:59] <mint3> what now ?
[04:00] <myk_robinson> Lunie2ns: in terminal and from that directory, paste the results of      ls
[04:00] <Lunie2ns> umm maybe this would be easier if i came on irc in linux computer now its online
[04:00] <Lunie2ns> is there irc program on here already?
[04:00] <myk_robinson> mint3: Click on System-->Pidgin
[04:00] <myk_robinson> sorry
[04:00] <myk_robinson> Lunie2ns: Pidgin
[04:00] <mint3> pidgin is alright, Lunie2ns
[04:00] <mint3> or xchat whichever . i use xchat
[04:01] <myk_robinson> mint3: System--Preferences-->CompizConfig Settings Manager
[04:01] <myk_robinson> Lunie2ns: my wife is sitting here as I type.. She just informed me as to what your name is.. Clever, i didnt catch that before :)
[04:02] <myk_robinson> mint3: you got the configuration manager up?
[04:02] <mint3> ok
[04:02] <mint3> yep
[04:02] <myk_robinson> scroll down to Effects and click on Animations. Not the check box, but the word
[04:03] <mint3> ok on there
[04:03] <myk_robinson> mint3: click on "Minimize Action"
[04:03] <mint3> ok wow which one u got
[04:03] <myk_robinson> under animation selection, in the white box, doubleclick whatever is there and change it to "Magic Lamp"
[04:04] <myk_robinson> it should be just under "minimize effect"
[04:04] <lunie2ns-linux> myk_robinson:  http://pastebin.com/m6e43d626
[04:04] <mint3> haha sweet
[04:04] <mint3> i like it
[04:05] <myk_robinson> lunie2ns-linux: back in the window manager, right click on "secondlife", provided it is a file and not a folder. Check the preferences and select "make it executable" or something like that
[04:05] <myk_robinson> mint3: i gotta get going. See me in private chat for just a sec before I leave
[04:06] <DanaG> Argh... no audio in Wine.
[04:06] <DanaG> err:module:load_builtin_dll failed to load .so lib for builtin L"winealsa.drv": /usr/bin/../lib32/wine/winealsa.drv.so: symbol snd_pcm_forward, version ALSA_0.9.0rc8 not defined in file libasound.so.2 with link time reference
[04:07] <lunie2ns-linux> hmm
[04:07] <lunie2ns-linux> myk_robinson: dont see that
[04:07] <myk_robinson> what type of icon is "secondlife"?
[04:08] <lunie2ns-linux> has a little diamond
[04:09] <myk_robinson> sorry, lunie2ns-linux, i gotta get going. Its late here
[04:09] <myk_robinson> anyone able to take my place on this one?
[04:09] <myk_robinson> lunie2ns-linux: its not a folder, is it?
[04:09] <lunie2ns-linux> myk_robinson:  ok should there be a file somewhere in there that will let me make executable...?
[04:09] <lunie2ns-linux> myk_robinson:  no it isnt
[04:09] <myk_robinson> if not, try in terminal    ./secondlife
[04:10] <myk_robinson> that option should be under "Permissions" if you right click the file and secelt properties
[04:10] <myk_robinson> "allow executing file as a program"
[04:11] <lunie2ns-linux> ok ./secondlife seems to be doing something
[04:11] <myk_robinson> alright. I gotta go, maybe i'll see you around
[04:11] <myk_robinson> goodnight, all
[04:12] <ForzaPalermo> hey guys whats the package i have to install in 9.04 to get the opensource ati catalyst drivers?
[04:14] <jscinoz_> ForzaPalermo: the radeon driver or radeonhd?
[04:15] <ForzaPalermo> i dont know
[04:15] <ForzaPalermo> all i know is the propriotory driver doesnt work
[04:15] <ForzaPalermo> and i was reading that in the beta, the open source one works great
[04:15] <jscinoz_> ForzaPalermo: what is your card?
[04:15] <ForzaPalermo> but i cant find the name anyware
[04:15] <ForzaPalermo> radeon 3200hd
[04:15] <ForzaPalermo> but it says its in the repos
[04:15] <ForzaPalermo> for fglrx
[04:15] <jscinoz_> ForzaPalermo: there are two opensource drivers, radeon and radeonhd, they are in packages xserver-xorg-video-radeon and xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd
[04:15] <jscinoz_> ForzaPalermo: fglrx isnt open source
[04:16] <jscinoz_> ForzaPalermo: radeon and radeonhd are the two open source ati drivers
[04:17] <damnubuntu> you guys hear about the conficker worm. Im glad im not using windows.
[04:17] <ForzaPalermo> he current ATI on Linux is a 9.4 beta.  (Installable from the repositories.)
[04:17] <ForzaPalermo> so do any of those include catalyst?
[04:17] <ForzaPalermo> basically from what im reading... if you install 9.04 beta from scratch, ati now works out of the box
[04:17] <ForzaPalermo> i just updated from the alpha
[04:18] <billybigrigger> *facepalm*
[04:18] <billybigrigger> shouldn't have bought this nvidia card :P
[04:19] <jscinoz_> ForzaPalermo: ok its like this: there are 3 ati drivers: radeon, radeonhd, fglrx. radeon and radeonhd are both open source, fglrx is closed source. use the driver which works best with your card
[04:19] <ForzaPalermo> When it comes to the X.Org side it is shipping with X Server 1.6 and the stabilized version of Mesa 7.3. Specifically in regards to the ATI Linux graphics, it will be shipping with an updated xf86-video-ati driver by default and Catalyst 9.4 will be an option for the user (in fact, right now Ubuntu 9.04 is using an unreleased driver)
[04:21] <jscinoz_> ForzaPalermo: what is it you actually want to do?
[04:21] <ForzaPalermo> get my gfx card working in jaunty
[04:22] <jscinoz_> ForzaPalermo: install xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd and add this to xorg.conf in the device section: Driver "radeonhd"
[04:22] <lunie2ns-linux> How do i get youtube and stuff working with 9.04, anyone?
[04:22] <lunie2ns-linux> i installed latest flash player...
[04:23] <ForzaPalermo> that has 3d accelleration?
[04:23] <jscinoz_> ForzaPalermo: yes, but if its not good enoguh, also try the radeon driver in package xserver-xorg-driver-radeon and modify the driver line in your xorg.conf to radeon instead of radeonhd
[04:23] <DanaG> damn nvidia 96 just segfaults Xorg.
[04:24] <ForzaPalermo> and what is all that talk about what i just pasted up top
[04:24] <DanaG> radeon is better than radeonhd, actually.
[04:24] <jscinoz_> DanaG: oh?
[04:24] <DanaG> Radeonhd seems to be not very active:]
[04:24] <ForzaPalermo> about open source, yet having catalyst?
[04:24] <DanaG> http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/driver/xf86-video-ati
[04:24] <DanaG> http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/driver/xf86-video-radeonhd
[04:24] <ForzaPalermo> will installing either of radeon or radeonhd, install catalyst as well?
[04:24] <jscinoz_> ForzaPalermo: is catalyst their control panel thing?
[04:24] <ForzaPalermo> yes
[04:24] <jscinoz_> ForzaPalermo: if so, no, you need to use fglrx for that, and fglrx isnt as good as radeon
[04:25] <jscinoz_> ForzaPalermo: what is it you need in Catalyst?
[04:25] <ForzaPalermo> nothing
[04:25] <ForzaPalermo> im just reading
[04:25] <DanaG> HD3200... what actual chip is that?
[04:25] <ForzaPalermo> and i just dont know how its possible
[04:25] <ForzaPalermo> what i pasted up top
[04:26] <jscinoz_> ForzaPalermo: to the best of my knowledge, its best to use radeon since it apparently is better than radeonhd, and last i heard fglrx is pretty crappy
[04:26] <ghindo> Is UXA stability expected to increase throughout the Jaunty lifespan, or will we have to wait for Karmic?
[04:26] <ForzaPalermo> does radeon support hdmi, and audio over hdmi?
[04:27] <DanaG> you can ask about the hd3200 in #radeon
[04:28] <DanaG> oddly enough, it seems radeonhd is the one that does hdmi audio.
[04:28] <ForzaPalermo> haha i cant win :)
[04:28] <DanaG> ... but radeon does tear-free video.
[04:28] <DanaG> I wish they'd just friggin' merge the two.
[04:30] <ForzaPalermo> ok well i will add a line for driver under device and make it radeonhd for now
[04:30] <ForzaPalermo> and test it out
[04:30] <jscinoz_> ForzaPalermo: i dont know, as in $radeon as DanaG suggested
[04:30] <ForzaPalermo> hopefully it works
[04:30] <jscinoz_> DanaG: merge radeon and radeonhd? i still dont get why they are separate
[04:30] <DanaG> http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=1&url=https%3A%2F%2Fbugs.launchpad.net%2Fubuntu%2F%2Bsource%2Flinux%2F%2Bbug%2F284319&ei=s9_SSe3fLJ3utQOhq-nzCw&usg=AFQjCNFEwVPPa3z7-dMOU_3W1EUf8ByBRA&sig2=bYLXJADOpKbArCMaQQEgBw
[04:30] <DanaG> er, wait, damn googlified link.
[04:30] <DanaG> random link to an issue I have.
[04:30] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/284319
[04:31] <jscinoz_> hmm
[04:31] <jscinoz_> Is vmbuilder broken for anyone else?
[04:32] <jscinoz_> mine dies at "I: Extracting perl-base" with just the error "stderr: " nothing else is printed
[04:32] <ForzaPalermo> i found the catalyst package
[04:32] <ForzaPalermo> fglrx-amdcccle
[04:32] <ForzaPalermo> afer doing some more reading
[04:32] <ForzaPalermo> but fglrx is not open source
[04:32] <jscinoz_> ForzaPalermo: use the radeon driver
[04:32] <thiebaude> anyone heard of Xlib: extension"Generic Event Extension" missing on display" :0.0".?
[04:33] <ForzaPalermo> will do
[04:33] <ForzaPalermo> ok later guys
[04:33] <ForzaPalermo> thanks for helop
[04:33] <billybigrigger> umm....what is the default perms for my user's ~/ ???
[04:34] <billybigrigger> for some reason i get a wierd error upon login stating there's wrong permissions to .dmrc and my ~/ should not have write permissions to anyone else, so i looked into it and ~/ is 777
[04:35] <jscinoz_> billybigrigger: shoud be owned by user:user, and, probably 750 or 700
[04:35] <jscinoz_> not sure though
[04:35] <billybigrigger> whats yours?
[04:37] <jscinoz_> billybigrigger: one moment
[04:39] <jscinoz_> billybigrigger: ~/ = 751, ~/.dmrc = 600
[04:41] <billybigrigger> seems to be fixed now, thanks
[04:51] <billybigrigger> hah, warner bros bought thepirateboy lmfao
[04:51] <billybigrigger> sorry for the offtopic
[04:53] <billybigrigger> ahh shoot, tis aprils fools in some places already eh? haha
[04:59] <BluesKaj> yeah, the Conficker C is about to launch ...or is it a great big april fools joke ? :)
[05:00] <billybigrigger> haha dunno
[05:01] <billybigrigger> i found it wierd that they were advertising it here in local newspapers a couple weeks ago
[05:01] <billybigrigger> very well could be a hoax
[05:03] <BluesKaj> we have 6 other windows/vista machines in this house , so I'm not real concerned but i'll be checking them closely
[05:04] <BluesKaj> my wife'sdesktop , daughter's desktop and laptop and the grandchildren's laptops.. I'm the only linux user
[05:06] <BluesKaj> anyway it's sacktime for me ..after midnight here
[05:06] <danbeck> easy to test
[05:06] <danbeck> it reports if it
[05:06] <danbeck> if its infected
[05:06] <danbeck> check the nmap site  The latest beta has support for detection
[05:07] <danbeck> easy to use and you dont have to install some shithole av/spyware scanner
[05:07] <frybye> Hi - running efax-gtk in jaunty - where are the sent fax files saved and/or in what format??
[05:07] <BluesKaj> we have uptodate antivirus and FW and spybots ...what more can one do besides surf carefully etc
[05:08] <danbeck> not facking use IE for one
[05:08] <danbeck> jebus people are sheep
[05:08] <BluesKaj> all FF users here
[05:08] <danbeck> yah
[05:08] <danbeck> Honestly, I prefer safari 4on my mac
[05:08] <DanaG> NVRM: Xid (0001:00): 9, Channel 00000000 Instance 00002107 status 0000001d
[05:09] <BluesKaj> anyway it's late, night folks
[05:12] <frybye> efax-gtk says it will print sent faxes with lpr but when trying to do this it says no target defind for lpr??
[05:37] <DanaG> hah: http://cgit.freedesktop.org/nouveau/xf86-video-nouveau/commit/?id=95bff61597ddf21d6415b40759258802a5f42150   -- probably a result of my testing nouveau on the decapitated laptop, and then commenting about it in #nouveau.
[05:53] <Riesh> will the newer nvidia driver (180.44) be in the repositories of jaunty?
[05:54] <J-_> Should I updated, and upgrade KDE in Jaunty. Will I be affected with the not working wifi? I'm sure that depends on the wifi card, but I heard someone complaining about their wireless card not working earlier.
[06:06] <tj83> hi all quick question... in previous versions for system-prefs-remote desktop.... there you could define the listening port for vnc.... where is this specification made now? is there a config file?
[06:07] <bluefoxicy> why the FUCK is my disk I/O coming out MY SOUND CARD?!
[06:08] <bluefoxicy> what the HELL did you people do?!
[06:08]  * bluefoxicy listens to disk clickclickclick in time with MASSIVE STATIC coming out his speakers >:O
[06:08] <bluefoxicy> or is it CPU usage?
[06:08] <tj83> my sound is ok on 3 boxes bluefoxicy
[06:08] <dtchen> or perhaps it's hardware.
[06:09] <bluefoxicy> dtchen:  I just rebooted into a new kernel upgrade and it started happening.
[06:09] <dtchen> NOTHING has changed in linux to effect such a change
[06:09] <dtchen> from what to what?
[06:09] <bluefoxicy> 2.6.28-10  to 2.6.28-11
[06:09] <tj83> | JAUNTY RELEASE HAS BEEN DELAYED TO AUGUST DUE TO PROBLEMS? <---- is this true?
[06:09] <dtchen> that's a crap-ton of changes
[06:10] <dtchen> if you wish to prove it's a linux change, there's git-bisect over there
[06:10] <bluefoxicy> great.
[06:10] <bluefoxicy> I should have kept the last kernel.
[06:10] <dtchen> honestly, the only change i've committed related to sound cannot possibly have make your "disk I/O [come] out [of your] SOUND CARD"
[06:11] <dtchen> have made*
[06:11] <bluefoxicy> dtchen:  lots of weird shit can happen in programming paths that have nothing to do with the programming paths that cause problems.  I can only report symptoms from here.
[06:11] <maco> bluefoxicy: by the way, language
[06:12] <maco> bluefoxicy: are you sure its not interference?
[06:12] <dtchen> bluefoxicy: i doubt that aligning the hw_ptr will affect shielding.
[06:12] <DanaG> http://cgit.freedesktop.org/nouveau/xf86-video-nouveau/commit/?id=95bff61597ddf21d6415b40759258802a5f42150   -- probably a result of my testing nouveau on the decapitated laptop, and then commenting about it in #nouveau.   Oh, how I love finding "edge cases" in things.
[06:12] <bluefoxicy> dtchen:  most debugging is in the form of "oh damn that shouldn't happen, that can't be my fault *rolls back* .... uh.  *rolls forward* uh. ... okay what'd I do?"
[06:12] <maco> like how cell phones make sepakers do silly things
[06:12] <bluefoxicy> maco:  hah.  yeah I notice that a lot.
[06:12] <maco> bluefoxicy: well if you have the cell phone issue, your speakers are obviously poorly shielded to begin with
[06:12] <bluefoxicy> maco:  it's just it's coinciding with software changes :|
[06:12] <afallenhope> hey I don't understand ufw.. I even installed gufw.. it's like they got the code backwards..
[06:13] <afallenhope> sudo ufw default DENY
[06:13] <bluefoxicy> maco:  I only notice that at work with dell speakers
[06:13] <afallenhope> and then NOTHING works..
[06:13] <tj83> can someone confim before mentioned question and try to answer my first?
[06:13] <maco> afallenhope: ...and that's surprising?
[06:13] <afallenhope> maco, it used to work before
[06:14] <maco> afallenhope:  "nothing" inbound...are you saying that it affected outbound as well?
[06:14] <afallenhope> maco, yeah
[06:14] <maco> afallenhope: look at /etc/default/ufw
[06:15] <afallenhope> okay.. there
[06:15] <afallenhope> maco, OUT is ACCEPT
[06:15] <afallenhope> OUTPUT = ACCEPT INPUT = DROP
[06:16] <maco> and you can't traceroute or ping or anythng?
[06:16] <afallenhope> well.. hold on
[06:17] <afallenhope> maco, nope
[06:17] <afallenhope> maco, nope
[06:18] <afallenhope> maco, ?
[06:19] <maco> afallenhope: i have the same settings. no problem here
[06:19] <afallenhope> hmm
[06:19] <afallenhope> should I flush ip tables and try again?
[06:19] <maco> ufw disable && ufw enable ?
[06:21] <bluefox_> okay it's not a kernel change...
[06:21] <bluefox_> the constant click-click-puff sounds start a couple seconds after GDM comes up and end as soon as GDM closes
[06:21] <bluefox_> switching to a text console doesn't cease the noise, so it's apparently not X playing with the video card...
[06:23]  * bluefox_ wonders what else could be broke.
[06:23] <afallenhope> maco, I can't set my INPUT  to drop
[06:23] <afallenhope> or it'll jack up
[06:23] <maco> what?
[06:24] <maco> have you mucked with /etc/ufw/*.rules?
[06:24] <afallenhope> no
[06:25] <afallenhope> I'm not on NAT I'm on a DMZ
[06:25] <afallenhope> I'm not on NAT I'm on a DMZ
[06:38] <afallenhope> no one awake?
[06:45] <DanaG> anyone else have lag in unminimizing windows with compiz?
[06:45] <DanaG> For me, it lags for like 1 second.
[06:57] <blackvd> What happened to firefox flash support on 64bit?
[06:57] <topyli> or 32bit for that matter
[06:58] <blackvd> i have no flash at all and when i click download it takes me to 32bit >.> pure genius
[06:59] <Riesh> Kde 4.2.2 will come out today, will that go into Jaunty ? Or we have to wait until after the release for that ?
[07:01] <topyli> Riesh: afaik jaunty is frozen, no new versions
[07:02] <topyli> Riesh: after the release doubly so
[07:02] <Riesh> topyli:  OK OK
[07:08] <frybye> backvd - there is a 64bit native (alledegly alphe - but seems to be stable-) flash available from adobe.com
[07:08] <frybye> btw - it is only for linux - none yet afaik for win...
[07:09] <SwedeMike> but it works really well
[07:09] <SwedeMike> haven't had any flash related trouble since I installed it
[07:10] <frybye> SwedeMike: same here...
[07:10] <frybye> oh - thats a good question - will the 64bit native flash have survived a update-manager -d from intrepid to jaunty.. or does one have to install again...
[07:11] <frybye> ??
[07:11] <frybye> eh - I sorta think this adobe thing is in some of the repos now or...? Cant check the pc now - I am elsewhere on a 32 bit installation..
[07:11] <frybye> - of intrepid in fact..
[07:13] <dtchen> if you installed it manually in ~/.mozilla/plugins, it will survive just fine
[07:14] <frybye> oh cool - and good morning dtchen - am at work now so no point to get into audigy stuff... ;=)
[07:16] <frybye> another ? - if i rem. rightly - sbdy was telling me here that update-manager -d should in fact not be used to do the distro update cos it is being discontinued or whatever.. but I see at ubuntu.com that is exactly the way they say one -should- do the update - and clue on this?
[07:17] <frybye> (either way a bit late in my case - but I am just curious what the story is...?)
[07:17] <dtchen> do-release-upgrade is useful
[07:18] <frybye> and that is what is going to be used in future or ..?
[07:18] <dtchen> it is the recommended procedure
[07:18] <frybye> what is the main difference in the two methods..?
[07:18] <dtchen> do-release-upgrade (well, upgrade-manager) contains logic to work around situations that apt-get and aptitude can't possibly know about
[07:18] <dtchen> update-manager*
[07:19] <frybye> dtchen: I beg to differ - on the ubuntu.com "try the beta toaday" site it says (only update-manager -d  )
[07:19] <frybye> oh - so that is just two commands that use the same system or ..(if i understand you right?)
[07:20] <dtchen> frybye: do-release-upgrade is the cli version
[07:20] <frybye> "cli" -?
[07:20] <dtchen> command-line (-only, no GUI)
[07:21] <frybye> oh right.. i was not sure.. thought that was what you meant..
[07:21] <frybye> but the underlying "gears and levers" are the same right?
[07:23] <maco> frybye: yes
[07:23] <armedking> Hello all, Sinds i been running 9.04 teamspeak has a huge echo ( 0.5 sec) i allmost sound robotic. Ventrilo tru wine does not give me this effect. I am using a headset so thats not what the echo comes from. i think it has something to do with pulse comming into play now. is there a way to forse teamspeak to use oss without pulse? just so i can try if that helps
[07:25] <DanaG> dtchen: why don't they put the do-release-upgrade stuff in the packages that need it?
[07:27] <dtchen> DanaG: it's not expressable
[07:27] <DanaG> No way to detect "previous version is Jaunty"?  Or the "reason" is not expressable?
[07:27] <dtchen> DanaG: prime example: there's no way to tell apt that flashplugin-nonfree needs to be purged and reinstalled upon a distribution upgrade
[07:28] <grodius> Hi, im running a macbook on jaunty, trying to get compiz to work.
[07:32] <Persi> hi there, new xubuntu is REALLY slow on my two core 2gb laptop, is it temporary
[07:32] <Persi> '?
[07:33] <Persi> is it worth it to wait a few weeks or should I roll back?
[07:34] <Persi> no help? :`(
[07:34] <QPrime> Persi: what in particular is slow?
[07:35] <BBHoss> Persi: are you using x 1.6
[07:35] <BBHoss> IMO that was a bad decision as my laptop runs much slower too, with an integrated intel gfx (worked great in 8.10)
[07:36] <Persi> whats x1.6? I guess its called response time
[07:36] <Persi> even tab switching in firefox
[07:37] <SeViLLa> hey did anyone else lose graphic driver support for ati
[07:37] <dtchen> X.Org server ABI version 1.6.
[07:37] <Persi> well no idea I just have latest updates from synaptic
[07:38] <SeViLLa>  gdm crashes
[07:38] <QPrime> Persi: there were lots of changes to xorg 1.6  many video drivers are lagging behind.
[07:38] <QPrime> Persi: what video card?
[07:38] <Persi> dell 1525, gotta take a look
[07:39] <Persi> Video: Intel Integrated Graphics Media Accelerator X3100
[07:39] <SeViLLa> dell 600m ati rv250 firegl
[07:40] <Persi> is this one particularly lagging?
[07:40] <grodius> Hey, i'm using an intel internal gfx chip on a macbook
[07:40] <grodius> Hey, i'm using an intel internal gfx chip on a macbooko get compiz running
[07:41] <BBHoss> Persi: i think thats the one i have
[07:41] <BBHoss> and yes, it lags
[07:42] <QPrime> Persi: I've used Ubuntu jaunty on an RV250 based laptop with no issues.
[07:42] <BBHoss> for something thats supposed to come out in a few weeks, it sure is preforming shitty
[07:42] <Persi> I see, so will it be here by the time of the release?
[07:42] <Persi> ok cool thanks
[07:42] <Persi> see ya
[07:42] <BBHoss> why break compatibility just for peace of mind
[07:43] <BBHoss> pisses me off quite a bit
[07:43] <QPrime> the Xorg changes?
[07:44] <BBHoss> yes
[07:44] <SeViLLa> QPrime: so what do think the problem is
[07:44] <BBHoss> maybe for gentoo it would be ok, but not ubuntu, i want it to just work
[07:44] <QPrime> there are lots of very good things coming down the line with those changes.
[07:44] <BBHoss> i cant even watch flash videos full screen
[07:44] <BBHoss> because it lags so bad
[07:45] <cwillu_clone> the xorg abi changes consistently every release, it's how we make forward progress there.  And every release, ati waits until the week before we release (i.e., months after the xorg release) to release a _beta_ of their driver
[07:45] <QPrime> BBHoss: patience is a virture when dealing with new releases... if you need 'just works' then stick with older releases.
[07:45] <BBHoss> but why break something so major
[07:45] <BBHoss> im not talking ati, they have always blown
[07:46] <SeViLLa> QPrime: could you pastbin your xorg.conf for the ati rv250 on jaunty so i could compare the files
[07:46] <BBHoss> but intels graphics have been fine for 2d, but all the sudden i cant watch fucking flash videos
[07:46] <QPrime> SeViLLa: you have gdm crashes?
[07:46] <cwillu_clone> BBHoss, calm down
[07:46] <remu> I just installed gwibber (tried from both the regular repos as well as the gwibber team's PPA) and it keeps crashing from both sources. Heres the output from gwibber 0.80 (the version from the Jaunty repos): http://pastebin.com/d49dacd6e
[07:46] <SeViLLa> QPrime: yes i am using a login shell
[07:47] <BBHoss> im plenty calm, just makes no sense to do something like this.  if everyone has a bad experience "lets go back to windows, linux suxors"
[07:47] <QPrime> SeViLLa: with my RV250 i didnt need an xorg.conf (for the first time ever)  autoconfigure was perfect.
[07:47] <QPrime> SeViLLa: have you tried just letting X auto-configure?
[07:47] <SeViLLa> QPrime: that is funny cause mine did work
[07:48] <cwillu_clone> BBHoss, your using a prerelease, and you expect things not to be broken?  The entire point of the process is to find the stuff that's broken so it can be fixed before it's released
[07:48] <BBHoss> yeah but the release is in like 2 weeks isnt it
[07:48] <BBHoss> is it going to be fixed in that amount of time
[07:48] <BBHoss> doubtful
[07:48] <cwillu_clone> If you don't want things to change ever, stick with a lts-release, that's what they're for
[07:48] <BBHoss> isnt 9.04 going to be an lts release
[07:48] <QPrime> BBHoss: nope!
[07:48] <cwillu_clone> BBHoss, have you even posted a bug yet?
[07:48] <SeViLLa> QPrime: yes i couldnt detect anything
[07:49] <BBHoss> no, i figured it was a known issue since it says so on the beta page
[07:49] <SeViLLa> QPrime: even now if i try to startx it crashes and i have to reboot
[07:49] <QPrime> SeViLLa: what pc?  (make/model)
[07:49] <cwillu_clone> so, you really have no idea what's going on then, do you?
[07:49] <cwillu_clone> there's extensive work being done on the related bugs
[07:49] <cwillu_clone> it probably _will_ be fixed before the release
[07:49] <BBHoss> i would hope so
[07:50] <topyli> hmm the indicator applet forgets running apps
[07:50] <cwillu_clone> btw, try accelmethod "uxa" in your xorg.conf file
[07:50] <BBHoss> i don't have time to browse launchpad all day
[07:50] <SeViLLa> QPrime: dell 600m ati radeon rv250 firegl
[07:50] <RAOF> BBHoss: There's not much that we can do about performance regressions when upstream is breaking things, sadly.  Turning on the UXA accel method might get you good performance, though.
[07:50] <BBHoss> RAOF: UXA?
[07:50] <cwillu_clone> BBHoss, then don't run the beta's, you're just leaching off the community :(
[07:50] <BBHoss> you don't want my feedback?
[07:51] <RAOF> BBHoss: The shiny new acceleration method that is the main reason EXA sucks for you. :(
[07:51] <topyli> BBHoss: that's not "feedback"
[07:51] <BBHoss> oh yeah, firefox crashes all the time too while im at it
[07:51] <cwillu_clone> you just said you don't want to give feedback (irc isn't helping)
[07:51] <QPrime> man xorg.conf and man ati (that will get you started)
[07:51] <cwillu_clone> BBHoss, launchpad is how you give useful feedback
[07:51] <RAOF> BBHoss: Among other things it enables DRI2, which is hugely awesome.  The only problem is that it's a little too unstable to be used by default.
[07:51] <dtchen> (cf. ubuntu-bug)
[07:51] <SeViLLa> QPrime: its was working fine with 8.04, had to boot in low graphics mode, and nothing for jaunty
[07:51] <BBHoss> well when i report a crash and it shows 15 other bugs that are the same issue, what am i to do?
[07:52] <BBHoss> RAOF: thats my point
[07:52] <cwillu_clone> BBHoss, read the bugs that are the same issue, there's probably work-arounds and test packages, and if there aren't, then it may be because of a lack of information about the bug, which you can help with
[07:52] <topyli> BBHoss: if you find bugs, you fix them of course! :)
[07:53] <cwillu_clone> I mean, you can't ignore the process completely, and then complain that you don't think the process is going to work
[07:53] <BBHoss> i thought X.04 releases were LTS
[07:53] <topyli> no
[07:53] <cwillu_clone> every two years
[07:53] <QPrime> SeViLLa: what's the output of lspci | grep VGA
[07:53] <cwillu_clone> only 6.06 and 8.04 so far
[07:53] <afallenhope> is there a way of stopping xchat, and the package manager / updater thing from starting up on reboot?
[07:53] <RAOF> BBHoss: No... your point is that EXA is slow, not that UXA is unstable.  UXA _might_ work very well for you; it varies card-to-card.
[07:54] <BBHoss> RAOF: ok i misunderstood you
[07:55] <QPrime> BBHoss: it really is a community process... the fact that you are in an irc channel and talking is a start... but its not the end if you want to help.
[07:55] <SeViLLa> QPrime: 1:00 VGA compatible controlers the just my graphcs card
[07:56] <QPrime> SeViLLa: paste just that line in the channel
[07:58] <afallenhope> is there a way of stopping xchat, and the package manager / updater thing from starting up on reboot?
[08:00] <sparr> anyone have a quick workaround for the vfat module issue(s)?
[08:01] <SeViLLa> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller ATI Technologies INC Radeon RV250 [Mobility FireGL 9000] (rev2)
[08:02] <SeViLLa> QPrime:  01:00.0 VGA compatible controller ATI Technologies INC Radeon RV250 [Mobility FireGL 9000] (rev2)
[08:02] <QPrime> SeViLLa: ok, just wanted to be sure.
[08:03] <QPrime> SeViLLa: you get the same thing with or without an xorg.conf file?
[08:03] <sparr> Is anyone else unable to mount vfat devices (or load the vfat module at all) in jaunty for the past ~2 weeks?  I'd like some confirmation before I report a bug.
[08:03] <SeViLLa> QPrime: yes
[08:04] <QPrime> SeViLLa: hard lock or can you switch to a vty?
[08:05] <SeViLLa> QPrime: if try to boot the gdm it hard locks
[08:05] <BBHoss> it seems setting Accelmethod to UXA helps the problem
[08:05] <SeViLLa> QPrime: im using my system right now and its fine if its just a login
[08:05] <BBHoss> its about like it was in 8.10
[08:05] <afallenhope> is there a way of stopping xchat, and the package manager / updater thing from starting up on reboot?
[08:06] <ghindo> afallenhope: Should be.  You using GNOME?
[08:06] <afallenhope> is there a way of stopping xchat, and the package manager / updater thing from starting up on reboot?
[08:06] <afallenhope> oops
[08:06] <afallenhope> xfce4
[08:06] <QPrime> SeViLLa: when did this start? are you using a fresh install of Jaunty beta?  did it break after an update?
[08:06] <SeViLLa> QPrime: it broke after an update
[08:07] <QPrime> SeViLLaL: tried booting with a prior kernel?
[08:07] <afallenhope> ghindo, xfce4 i checked the session manager thing xchat's not in there
[08:07] <SeViLLa> QPrime: i tried that and i get the same thing
[08:08] <BBHoss> so when its btrfs going to be up to par with zfs, so i can quit wasting time with solaris :)
[08:09] <QPrime> SeViLLa: time to look at launchpad and see if there any any reports.  of if their are big(ger) brains in the channel with the info already... speak! ;)
[08:09] <cwillu_clone> BBHoss, probably another year or so :p
[08:10] <BBHoss> cwillu_clone: you really think so?
[08:10] <sparr> I just realized I have been running with no swap for months :(
[08:10] <cwillu_clone> well, define par :p
[08:10] <BBHoss> stable, raidz-type stuff,
[08:10] <cwillu_clone> between lvm and early btrfs, I wouldn't be surprised to see 'everyday feature' parity really quickely
[08:10] <QPrime> SeViLLa: I know there was a minor nouveau snafu that was quickly pointed out by one of the channel gurus.  there may be an (separate) ati issue as well.
[08:11] <BBHoss> cwillu_clone: does btrfs take the zfs approach to volume management, or does it stick with the lvm one
[08:11] <BBHoss> where you have different drives etc
[08:12] <BBHoss> instead of having pools
[08:12] <SeViLLa> QPrime: ok thanks for your help though, i dont mind using the login shell for now i use the cli most of the time anyway
[08:12] <cwillu_clone> I believe they're taking the zfs approach, but I don't know for sure
[08:13] <SeViLLa> QPrime: i also have a knoppix dvd and another desktop with hardy on it working just fine
[08:13] <QPrime> SeViLLa: np.  sorry I couldn't be more help :(  Between launchpad and the channel you should get some satisfaction soon tho.
[08:16] <QPrime> BBHoss: so you sound a little happier!  see... its all flowers and sunshine in the end ;)
[08:16] <BBHoss> QPrime: yeah i guess so
[08:17]  * cwillu_clone huggles BBHoss 
[08:18]  * QPrime sprinkles rainbow stars around the channel
[08:18] <QPrime> Just make sure you have your pitchfork ready when they come to take your FLOSS software from you >:
[08:19] <BBHoss> oh i have far more than pitchforks
[08:19] <BBHoss> i am the oomkiller you know
[08:19]  * QPrime believes BBHoss
[08:27] <coz_> hey guys I just noticed that images are not displayed on the desktop is that already known?
[08:27] <BBHoss> images?
[08:27] <coz_> thumbnials
[08:27] <BBHoss> hmm dunno
[08:27] <BBHoss> lemme check my laptop
[08:28] <coz_> svg is not  shown and a png image  doesn even show up and this is a clean install
[08:28] <coz_> but they show up in nautilus
[08:29] <coz_> oops  after opening ~Desktop they are now on the desktop  ... mm curious :)
[08:30] <coz_> howver   they dont show up if I move them to the desktop    until I open nautilus/ and open the Desktop folder
[08:30] <BBHoss> hmm interesting
[08:31] <coz_> BBHoss,  are you seeing the same thing?
[08:31] <BBHoss> i dont have any png or svg images to test
[08:31] <BBHoss> they work fine in nautilus though
[08:31] <coz_> oh  sure you do
[08:31] <coz_> /usr/share/pixmaps
[08:31] <coz_> copy paste
[08:32] <coz_> BBHoss, yes in nautilus they  show up fine
[08:32] <coz_> or /usr/share/icons :)
[08:32] <BBHoss> yeah but you said after you looked at them with nautilus they worked right
[08:32] <cwillu_clone> coz_, it's not just the thumbnailing catching up is it?
[08:32] <jussi01> egonw: why do you even have pulse installed on kubuntu=?
[08:32] <coz_> BBHoss,  well after opening nautilus and the Desktop folder yes
[08:32] <BBHoss> oh ok
[08:32] <BBHoss> well i guess i can try it
[08:33] <coz_> cwillu_clone, no I had an svg on the desktop for about an hour and  it didnt show up until I opened nautilus and then the desktop folder
[08:33] <egonw> jussi01: good point... no clue... must have been installed as dep, maybe?
[08:33] <cwillu_clone> jussi01, pulseaudio is still used on kubuntu afaik?
[08:33] <jussi01> cwillu_clone: no
[08:33] <jussi01> we have phonon
[08:34] <egonw> jussi01: should I remove?
[08:34] <egonw> jussi01: ok, will try that
[08:34] <jussi01> egonw: likely, I had it installed for some reason, removed and now works well
[08:35] <BBHoss> coz_: works fine for me
[08:35] <BBHoss> copy/paste or cp from terminal
[08:36] <coz_> BBHoss,  ok I will look into this thanks
[08:36] <BBHoss> it did take a few secs to generate for the svg
[08:36] <coz_> BBHoss,  ok mm  mine was on the desktop for   an hour  but ok  thanks :)
[09:26] <marlun> Is it possible to update a test server from ubuntu 8.10 to the jaunty beta with aptitude? I tested "apitutde dist-upgrade" but only got a few packages so it doesn't seem to work.
[09:27] <marlun> upgrade
[09:28] <BUGabundo> marlun: better use update-manager
[09:28] <BUGabundo> $ do-release-upgrade -d
[09:33] <mifritscher> hi
[09:33] <mifritscher> is that normal in powertop:   76,0% (1525,3)      <Kernel IPI> : Rescheduling interrupts ?!
[09:34] <marlun> BUGabundo: thanks :) wonder if I should do it over ssh or wait till I get home.
[09:34] <mifritscher> almost idle x61 with a i965, only tracker-index is running
[09:34] <mifritscher> but this happens if tracker-index is suspending, too
[09:34] <mifritscher> I use already uxa
[09:37] <BUGabundo> marlun: usually it helps if you have another way to access the machine! it will apply updates to Network Manager and require reboot
[09:38] <BUGabundo> mifritscher: do you have compiz?
[09:41] <ikonia> BUGabundo: apologies, I'd left a ban on your old IP address in place.
[09:41] <BUGabundo> eheh
[09:41] <BUGabundo> no matter!
[09:41] <BUGabundo> havent been there in a while
[09:41] <BUGabundo> and again those are dyn IPs
[09:42] <BUGabundo> hope it wasn't any new ubuntu user trying jaunty
[09:42] <BUGabundo> eheh ikonia
[09:42] <ikonia> doubtful
[09:46] <Ademan> anyone else having issues with youtube videos and the new flashplugin-nonfree ?
[09:47] <joneskoo> any idea why after plugging in A-Link 3GU USB 3G modem the task bar gets filled with "Starting file manager..."
[09:47] <joneskoo> also in dmesg I see nautilus[4799]: segfault at 2882008 ip 00007f5a1b183641 ...
[09:47] <BUGabundo> joneskoo: are you running as ROOT?
[09:48] <BUGabundo> 2 guys asked that last week
[09:48] <joneskoo> no, I'm running as the default user created during install
[09:48] <BUGabundo> but were using VMs
[09:48] <BUGabundo> I reprocuded that, but when running as ROOT
[09:48] <joneskoo> I'm using native install on Macbook, just plain default install
[09:48] <BUGabundo> please file a bug
[09:48] <BUGabundo>  $ apport-cli -fp nautilus
[09:48] <BUGabundo> should do it!
[09:48] <BUGabundo> and attach the logs where you see that
[09:49] <BUGabundo> then ping seb128 on #ubuntu-devel
[09:49] <topyli> Ademan: yep. no sound, very jittery video
[09:49] <joneskoo> he, name or service not known
[09:50] <joneskoo> perhaps I need to first connect with a working connection before sending :)
[09:50] <BUGabundo> ROFL
[09:50] <BUGabundo> it helps
[09:50] <BUGabundo> and having a LP account too
[09:50] <topyli> sounds to me like udev treats it as a block device, not a modem
[09:51] <joneskoo> likely
[09:51] <topyli> not a nautilus bug in that case
[09:51] <joneskoo> topyli: also USB serial doesn't recognize the modem
[09:51] <joneskoo> topyli: nautilus segfaulting is some kind of a bug
[09:51] <topyli> well yes
[09:51] <BUGabundo> humm the 3G modem is more like a NM bug
[09:52] <BUGabundo> better look at lp for similar bugs too
[09:52] <joneskoo> I think the problem with 3G modem is that the usb serial driver doesn't recognize it
[09:52] <BUGabundo> and even make that bug a 2 tasks one
[09:52] <BUGabundo> asac: any known  A-Link 3GU USB 3G bug?
[09:52] <topyli> dunno, i don't think NM sees a modem in the first place, so why would it do anything
[09:52] <joneskoo> NM doesn't see it
[09:52] <joneskoo> on debian it seems to work if I modprobe usbserial vendor=.... product=..... and _EJECT_ the cd-rom drive that it creates
[09:53] <BUGabundo> lshal -vv
[09:53] <BUGabundo> helps
[09:53] <joneskoo> one of those 3G sticks that comes with drivers on "CD" drive
[09:53] <BUGabundo> ahh
[09:53] <BUGabundo> then it needs a abit of love to ignore the storages
[09:53] <BUGabundo> its a driver prob, aka kernel bug
[09:54] <topyli> a clever udev rule should take care of it
[09:54] <Ademan> topyli: hrm, i actually don't have that, it's that the flash player can't seem to find the actual videos, and i end up with a message "sorry this video is no longer available", except I have it for every video, even ones I *know* are ok.  I put up with it for a bit but I've noticed it on other swf + flv based sites too...
[09:54] <joneskoo> so what should I really report now?
[09:54] <joneskoo> I'll sum up the individual problems
[09:55] <joneskoo> 1) nautilus floods the task bar (known issue? lots of tickets like it) 2) the 3G modem "CD" drive has to be ejected and isn't (usb mode switch) 3) usbserial doesn't recognize the modem even then
[09:56] <joneskoo> where can I add usbserial module parameters since it's not called usbserial or isn't a module on 9.04?
[09:56] <topyli> sounds like at least two bugs, nautilus and udev
[09:56] <joneskoo> I think the first issue would go away if usb mode switch worked - then it would be just a non-working 3G stick
[09:56] <joneskoo> of course the segfaulting might re-occur with some other condition
[09:56] <nandemonai> That nautilus issue has been fixed as far as I know.
[09:57] <nandemonai> After updates it's no longer doing it here (vmware).
[09:57] <joneskoo> nandemonai: I just updated minutes ago
[09:57] <topyli> joneskoo: udev/hal actually, i don't know which
[09:57] <joneskoo> aha. more updates coming
[09:58] <joneskoo> topyli: does that handle usbserial recognizing it should handle the device?
[09:59] <topyli> no idea joneskoo, one would only hope it would recognize it when hal tells it "here, have a modem"
[10:00] <topyli> perhaps better to file too many bugs than two few :)
[10:01] <joneskoo> hm. I have to do some things but I'll try to file some  bugs later. perhaps someone will be able to verify if they make any sense after I'm done later today
[10:02] <cwillu_clone> bug #352971
[10:02] <BUGabundo> eeheheheheheeheheh
[10:02] <cwillu_clone> was just about to poke you :)
[10:02] <BUGabundo> cwillu_clone: best bug ever (after #1)
[10:02] <BUGabundo> let me RT that
[10:03] <cwillu_clone> (that's not an april fools bug :p)
[10:03] <cwillu_clone> I fear I may have chosen the wrong day to file it :)
[10:04] <BUGabundo> cwillu_clone: I keep refering ppl to release notes
[10:04] <BUGabundo> and /topic
[10:04] <cwillu_clone> heh, august :)
[10:05] <cwillu_clone> 4 kernel compiles done, 8 more to go
[10:06] <asac> BUGabundo: no. please open bug with complete syslog taken after reproducing whatever issue you have
[10:06] <BUGabundo> asac: not me... it was joneskoo
[10:06] <BUGabundo> joneskoo: you know what to do now
[10:07] <BUGabundo> $ apport-cli -fp network-manager
[10:09] <asac> BUGabundo: yeah. but please ensure that you run that right after reproducing
[10:09] <asac> joneskoo: ^^
[10:09] <joneskoo> ok
[10:09] <asac> only then the right syslog is attached
[10:09]  * topyli marks cwillu_clone's bug as "also affects me", subscribes
[10:09] <asac> great
[10:09] <joneskoo> asac: I don't think network manager sees the stick though
[10:09]  * cwillu_clone thinks asac should file a bug on his faulty tab completion :p
[10:09]  * cwillu_clone huggles topyli 
[10:10] <joneskoo> asac: you think I should still file a bug on network-manager? usbserial doesn't recognize the usbid I guess
[10:10] <asac> cwillu_clone: where did i show faulty tab completion?
[10:10] <asac> the first message was for BUGabundo
[10:10] <asac> ;)
[10:10] <asac> and joneskoo ;)
[10:10] <cwillu_clone> asac, you typed jone<tab> and it completed to BUGabundo :p
[10:10] <asac> lol
[10:11] <asac> joneskoo: please paste lshal output
[10:11] <asac> e.g. install pastebinit and run
[10:11] <asac> lshal | pastebinit -i -
[10:11] <asac> ;)
[10:12] <cwillu_clone> asac, lshal | pastebinit suffices, you don't need the -i -
[10:12] <asac> is that new?
[10:12] <cwillu_clone> think so
[10:12] <asac> i always needed it ;)
[10:13]  * asac feels old again
[10:13] <cwillu_clone> echo test | pastebinit -> http://pastebin.com/f63687f7b
[10:17]  * BUGabundo feels pastebin should come on ubuntu-base seed
[10:18] <BUGabundo> cwillu_clone: that was a recent fix... I remember reading about it on changelog
[10:18]  * cwillu_clone suggests filing a bug
[10:19]  * BUGabundo subs to cwillu_clone bug #2
[10:19] <BUGabundo> great #2 is available! lets ask LP admins to rename yours! ehehe
[10:19] <cwillu_clone> heh
[10:20]  * cwillu_clone files a bug:  bug #352971 should be renamed to bug #2:  confirmed, wishlist
[10:20]  * BUGabundo hides! /me runs may laptop as pre-alpha testing
[10:20] <Le-Chuck_ITA> April's fool
[10:21] <cwillu_clone> BUGabundo, I usually move my laptop over on the first or second alpha releases :)
[10:21] <cwillu_clone> on the other hand, I have good nightly backups and no particular dependency on the machine
[10:23] <Le-Chuck_ITA> Hi all, does the "download album using bittorrent" button work for any of you in rhythmbox with jamendo?
[10:23] <Le-Chuck_ITA> For me, it does nothing...
[10:24] <Le-Chuck_ITA> no I was wrong... is that rhythmbox can have the current song unselected ... different bug :)
[10:24] <cwillu_clone> Le-Chuck_ITA, almost as if it were a april fools hoax gone wrong?
[10:25] <Le-Chuck_ITA> exactly
[10:25] <BUGabundo> cwillu_clone: I go around A1. jaunty was just 2 weeks after ibex come out, 2 days after chain locks open
[10:25] <Le-Chuck_ITA> there are bugs in the april fool too
[10:26] <cwillu_clone> BUGabundo, ya, I just like waiting until there's something worthwhile, so I have some carrot to push me through the usual troubleshooting routine :)
[10:28] <BUGabundo> I miss having updates
[10:28] <BUGabundo> even beta freeza sucked!
[10:28] <cwillu_clone> ya, but the day after was fun :)
[10:29] <Le-Chuck_ITA> does bittorrent absolutely not work when the incoming port is firewalled?
[10:29] <cwillu_clone> no, it should still work, just slowly, and only to unfirewalled clients
[10:29] <BUGabundo> Le-Chuck_ITA: mine works
[10:30] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I see "receiving from 0 of 0 connected nodes - inactive"
[10:30] <cwillu_clone> hmm
[10:30] <Le-Chuck_ITA> don't understand the point
[10:30]  * BUGabundo that reminds me... $ transmission
[10:30]  * cwillu_clone wonders if preempt-force would fix the ext4 rm hang
[10:30] <Le-Chuck_ITA> BUGabundo: it _is_ transmission :) bug #?
[10:34]  * cwillu_clone runs a test cycle, git bisect good's, starts the next kernel build, and starts putting on clothes to go for a walk
[10:35]  * cwillu_clone huggles dkms for keeping nvidia-glx-180 working through all this :)
[10:35] <Le-Chuck_ITA> cwillu_clone: btw what rm hang ?
[10:35] <Le-Chuck_ITA> cwillu_clone: you know... I am on ext4 :)
[10:35] <cwillu_clone> bug #330824
[10:35] <cwillu_clone> any mainline kernel works fine
[10:35] <Le-Chuck_ITA> ah
[10:36] <cwillu_clone> I'm running a git bisect between mainline 2.6.28 and our 2.6.28-11.28
[10:36] <Le-Chuck_ITA> can you reproduce it?
[10:36] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I guess so  :)
[10:36] <cwillu_clone> yep :)
[10:36] <cwillu_clone> some machines repro easier than others though
[10:37] <cwillu_clone> I've got a script that'll hang my desktop every time, but won't hang my laptop unless I leave it running for hours
[10:37] <cwillu_clone> however, a make clean in a kernel source tree will hang the laptop :)
[10:38] <Le-Chuck_ITA> but then, all users of ext4 are at risk, why importance is still undecided?
[10:38] <cwillu_clone> apparently it doesn't happen on 64bit machines, and on dual-core machines, it just hangs one processor for minutes at a time
[10:38] <Le-Chuck_ITA> "just" :) But I have just one processor
[10:38] <cwillu_clone> Le-Chuck_ITA, the inconsistency of reproduction, and the fact that we're not defaulting to ext4 yet
[10:39] <cwillu_clone> Le-Chuck_ITA, dual core though?
[10:39] <cwillu_clone> dual-core, afaik, it's just disruptive.  single-core, it hardlocks the machine :)
[10:39]  * Le-Chuck_ITA realises he never looked in detail at its office machine
[10:39] <cwillu_clone> Le-Chuck_ITA, does top show percentages for cpu usage, or just numbrs?
[10:40] <Le-Chuck_ITA> percentages, but I don't think it's a dual core, let me check
[10:40] <cwillu_clone> actually, even cat /proc/cpuinfo should show you
[10:40] <Le-Chuck_ITA> Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 1.73GHz
[10:40] <Le-Chuck_ITA> does it happen on single core too? I didn't get this from your previous comment
[10:40] <cwillu_clone> single-core, it completely hangs the machine
[10:40] <cwillu_clone> hence why I care so much :)
[10:40]  * cwillu_clone only has single-core machines right now :(
[10:41] <Le-Chuck_ITA> yes but then it would be advisable not to run ext4 now
[10:41] <cwillu_clone> makes bisecting loads of fun, let me tell you
[10:41] <cwillu_clone> Le-Chuck_ITA, once I get it pinned down, we should be able to backport a fix pretty quickely
[10:41] <cwillu_clone> I'm imagining before release
[10:41] <Le-Chuck_ITA> cwillu_clone: subscribing to the report :)
[10:41] <cwillu_clone> although I don't know that for a fact
[10:44] <BUGabundo> "Carey Underwood is not an       active member of any Launchpad teams.     "
[10:44] <Le-Chuck_ITA> guys, what does ctrl+alt+canc do in jaunty exactly ?
[10:44] <Le-Chuck_ITA> aaah
[10:44] <Le-Chuck_ITA> but then why didn't I see the window
[10:44] <cwillu_clone> ctrl-alt-canc?
[10:44] <cwillu_clone> what's canc?
[10:44] <Le-Chuck_ITA> sorry
[10:44] <Le-Chuck_ITA> that's italian for del
[10:45] <cwillu_clone> pops up the shutdown dialog here
[10:45] <Le-Chuck_ITA> yes I now see, earlier I had pressed it and didn't see the dialog
[10:45] <Le-Chuck_ITA> maybe it can come unfocused and in background
[10:45] <Le-Chuck_ITA> that's a plain bug because it logs you out automatically... how I hate this
[10:45] <cwillu_clone> c-a-backspace doesn't do anything, and alt-sysrq-k does most of what ctrl-alt-backspace used to do (kills everything on the current vterm)
[10:45] <Le-Chuck_ITA> no it's c-a-d
[10:45] <Le-Chuck_ITA> delete
[10:46] <cwillu_clone> heh, automatic shutdown in 60 seconds, eh?
[10:46] <Le-Chuck_ITA> ah yes sorry too early in the morning
[10:46] <Le-Chuck_ITA> cwillu_clone: yes I can say I hate it without remorse
[10:46] <Le-Chuck_ITA> so would you please re-paste the link to the bug?
[10:46] <Le-Chuck_ITA> but it's a bug that the logout window is not sticky and always in foreground!
[10:47] <Le-Chuck_ITA> don't you think so?
[10:47] <cwillu_clone> bug #330824
[10:47] <cwillu_clone> Le-Chuck_ITA, it throbs in the taskbar, isn't that enough?
[10:47] <Le-Chuck_ITA> hmm not quite, since I just didn't see it
[10:47] <cwillu_clone> blinking "shutdown computer"
[10:47] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I have a big monitor
[10:48] <cwillu_clone> maybe a notify-osd message at the same time
[10:48] <Le-Chuck_ITA> we disabled ctrl+alt+backspace because it can be hit by mistake but have a timeout for autologout
[10:48] <Le-Chuck_ITA> why not just on the top?
[10:48] <cwillu_clone> Le-Chuck_ITA, because then every app will start using the mechanism
[10:48] <Le-Chuck_ITA> ?
[10:48] <cwillu_clone> and then I'll have stupid programs popping up over my irc window because they think they're impotant
[10:49] <Le-Chuck_ITA> well... but the logout window has always been special, remember the pretty buttons until gutsy?
[10:49] <cwillu_clone> Le-Chuck_ITA, more importantly, if it pops up on top, you can accidently click a button immediately
[10:49] <cwillu_clone> which I've done too many times
[10:49]  * cwillu_clone cheers
[10:49] <cwillu_clone> hang!
[10:49] <asac> joneskoo: did you paste the lshal yet?
[10:49] <Le-Chuck_ITA> ok but then... why the damn logout timeout! I think it's because the pop-up can get unnoticed :)
[10:49] <cwillu_clone> Le-Chuck_ITA, well, it's the same popup timer for every shutdown'ish action, even if you click it from the menu
[10:50] <BUGabundo> cwillu_clone: I filed a bug on those pop up winds
[10:50] <Le-Chuck_ITA> BUGabundo: bug #
[10:50] <BUGabundo> asking for them to not be clickalbe
[10:50] <Le-Chuck_ITA> and cwillu_clone: previous bug # please :)
[10:50] <BUGabundo> like firefox does for download
[10:50] <cwillu_clone> bug #330824, for the last time :p
[10:50]  * Le-Chuck_ITA OMG I should get a coffee
[10:50] <cwillu_clone> unless you were referring to bug #352971
[10:51] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I will subscribe to the bug and complain about wathever priority it has
[10:51] <Le-Chuck_ITA> the last one I mean :)
[10:51] <cwillu_clone> Le-Chuck_ITA, you could just set the priority yourself :p
[10:51] <cwillu_clone> if they don't like it, they'll change it
[10:51] <BUGabundo> Le-Chuck_ITA: don't know... one of the many I filed on OSD and notifications
[10:51] <Le-Chuck_ITA> That's new!
[10:52] <Le-Chuck_ITA> BUGabundo: another thing: you mentioned that the problem with bittorrent at 0k reminded you of transmission
[10:52] <cwillu_clone> Le-Chuck_ITA, which?  afaik, I've always been able to change priorities and the like
[10:52] <BUGabundo> ah
[10:52] <BUGabundo> I had to start it
[10:52] <BUGabundo> 2 files downloading
[10:53] <Le-Chuck_ITA> cwillu_clone: you know what: I was referring to "priority" but however there's more: firefox recovers its session automatically so I actually didn't need the bug#
[10:53] <Le-Chuck_ITA> you all know what
[10:53] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I need a coffee or two
[10:53] <Le-Chuck_ITA> see you later
[10:53] <BUGabundo> want 2 more bugs?
[10:53] <BUGabundo> while I booted yesterday liveusb
[10:54] <BUGabundo> brasero as a nice icon on the tray!
[10:54] <Le-Chuck_ITA> cwillu_clone: however I can't set importance, are you a developer?
[10:54] <BUGabundo> Le-Chuck_ITA: ask on #ubuntu-bugs
[10:54] <Le-Chuck_ITA> "changeable only by a project maintainer or bug supervisor"
[10:54] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I am just replying to cwillu_clone
[10:54] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I knew that I can't change it
[10:54] <tormod> to which package does "Clock preferences" (calendar/locations) belong?
[10:55] <cwillu_clone> weird, no, I don't have any special privileges that I know about
[10:56] <cwillu_clone> evolution-calendar I think
[10:56] <tormod> actually it might be /usr/lib/gnome-panel/libclock-applet.so from gnome-panel
[10:56]  * cwillu_clone goes for a walk
[11:02] <frybye> what is this about Jaunty release delayed to August? - I sorta guess that that is only applicable on 1st April - right!?
[11:02] <bazhang> it gets set back every time someone asks.
[11:04] <frybye> bazhang: kooool!
[11:04] <aurel42> I wish it was august.
[11:05] <BUGabundo> where is that?
[11:05] <BUGabundo> I haven't read it yet
[11:18] <topyli> tormod: gnome-applets
[11:18] <tormod> thanks
[11:18] <tormod> btw is adding a location in the world map kind of broken for other people or is it my locale
[11:19] <tormod> I can not search, and the drop-down list is huge
[11:19] <topyli> the map being incorrect is a known problem
[11:21] <topyli> looks like there are endless bugs to file about the FUSA presence and indicator-applet system. i wonder if i've caught all by now :)
[11:22] <topyli> mostly apps that support them, mostly
[11:22] <topyli> did i already say "mostly"?
[11:28] <DanaG> Oh yeah, I removed fusa, because i hated not having logout keyboard-accessible.
[11:30] <frybye> tormod - the brits - frence - soviets and bush juniour have all treid that "add a place to the world map" feature and it has never ever worked...!  ;=)
[11:31] <topyli> DanaG: i use deskbar-applet, *everything* is keyboard-accessible :)
[11:36] <BUGabundo> DanaG: topyli but GnomeDo is wayyyyyy better
[11:37] <topyli> do is pretty. might use when it has feature parity with deskbar
[11:37] <topyli> actually it would be enough to have all the features *i* use, never mind the others :)
[11:38] <BUGabundo> once I got used to Do, I never used DeskBar any more
[11:40] <BUGabundo> is it supposed to activade "important" apps on ALL workspaces?
[11:40] <BUGabundo> kmail and pidgin keep doing that to me!
[11:42] <BUGabundo> don't you love when ppl file bug on stuff that is not a bug, but a feature?
[11:42] <BUGabundo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/284085
[11:42] <BUGabundo> the prob is FAT as a 2 or 4 GiB limit
[11:42] <BUGabundo> not the app
[11:46] <ikonia> it's 4GB isn't it fat ?
[11:46] <ikonia> fat32 anyway
[11:47] <BUGabundo> FAT has a limit of 2 or 4 GIBs
[11:47] <BUGabundo> depending on the OS
[11:47] <ikonia> I thought it was flat file system limit, didn't realise the OS had a factor in it
[11:47] <BUGabundo> FAT32 or VFat goes from 4 to 16
[11:48] <BUGabundo> OS have diferent implementations
[11:48] <Le-Chuck_ITA> is there a simple way to get notified of e-mails without keeping evo open?
[11:48] <BUGabundo> the wikipedia page has some articles on it
[11:48] <BUGabundo> ext3 has a limit of 16 TiBs
[11:48] <BUGabundo> Le-Chuck_ITA: there use to be an app that would minimize ANY app to tray
[11:48] <BUGabundo> but that is now against the Clean Tray Spec
[11:49] <BUGabundo> LOL
[11:49] <Le-Chuck_ITA> that's "alltray" but AFAIR it stopped working properly in jaunty... I used that before
[11:49] <ikonia> BUGabundo: wikipedia says 4GB is the max on fat32
[11:49] <Le-Chuck_ITA> in intrepid, sorry
[11:49] <BUGabundo> yes I know
[11:49] <BUGabundo> but some implentaions can use it up to 16 GiBs
[11:49] <ikonia> BUGabundo: ????
[11:50] <ikonia> BUGabundo: such as ?
[11:50] <BUGabundo> let me try to find it
[11:50] <ikonia> (looking for info on it now)
[11:50] <BUGabundo> I remember reading about it
[11:50] <amon__> why august? thats really long, what are the problems
[11:50] <ikonia> if a file system has a limit, I don't see how the OS would make a difference
[11:50] <Le-Chuck_ITA> amon__: the clean tray spec is taking longer than expected
[11:51] <rconan> what is this clean tray spec?
[11:52] <BUGabundo> rconan: don't even know if it exists, but it should! its what DXs is doing! removing *everything* from tray
[11:52] <BUGabundo> lets go and ask them on #dx
[11:52] <amon__> clean tray spec?
[11:52] <BUGabundo> and now we wait!
[11:53] <Le-Chuck_ITA> tray is a windows term, BUGabundo
[11:53] <Le-Chuck_ITA> it is "notification area" in gnome
[11:53] <amon__> a ok
[11:54] <scizzo-> anyone knows how to change the volym control to use pulseaudio instead of alsa?
[11:54] <scizzo-> my volym now that is standard in ubuntu is alsa but I am using pulseaudio.... :/
[11:54] <BUGabundo> ikonia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_Allocation_Table  Max volume size 2 TB
[11:54] <crus> Hi, anyone else having problems booting 9.04 on VMware workstation 6.5?
[11:54] <BUGabundo> crus: some users are
[11:55] <Le-Chuck_ITA> this new pulseaudio is supposed to be cool and I am using it but where are the fancy mixers?
[11:55] <rconan> BUGabundo: that's volume size... we were talking about file size
[11:55] <BUGabundo> scizzo-: don't we use PA?
[11:55] <ikonia> BUGabundo: thats a volulme size - not a file size
[11:55] <crus> BUGabundo: ah, The install happens and then i reboot it and then i just get a blank screen - dont even see grub or an error
[11:55]  * BUGabundo hears a eco
[11:56] <crus> no known workaround? :o
[11:56] <scizzo-> BUGabundo: well if I tell the control to use pulse nothing happens with the sound level when I tell it to go up and down using keybindings
[11:56] <BUGabundo> strange
[11:56] <BUGabundo> "works for me" TM
[11:57] <scizzo-> hmmm
[12:01] <amon__> now i get it its first of april
[12:01] <rconan> amon__: eh?
[12:01] <BUGabundo> can someone help test bug 329798  ?
[12:01] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I get spam in response to ubuntu devel: I get "blurb" from www-data@enforcer.homedns.org
[12:02] <BUGabundo> I'm not on a clean system
[12:02] <Le-Chuck_ITA> did it happen to some of you already?
[12:02] <Le-Chuck_ITA> sorry in response to ubuntu-devel-discuss
[12:02] <BUGabundo> ba
[12:02] <BUGabundo> wrong link
[12:02] <BUGabundo> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/352681
[12:02] <BUGabundo> this is it
[12:02] <BUGabundo> some one complained about it yesterday, I confirmed it on LiveUSB
[12:03] <BUGabundo> cwillu_clone: do you have a live image there?
[12:08] <joneskoo> asac: I haven't had time to file bugs yet, sorry. I will soon.
[12:10] <cwillu_clone> stupid netsplit, I was reading scrollback and lost my place
[12:10] <cwillu_clone> BUGabundo, I'm back now, what were you asking?
[12:10] <BUGabundo> for testing on bug
[12:10] <BUGabundo> bug 352681
[12:11] <BUGabundo> seb needs more tests and I can't do them now
[12:11] <BUGabundo> need to boot a clean image
[12:11] <BUGabundo> since you run a few maybe you could test it?
[12:11] <cwillu_clone> I tripped over something like that when I had been futzing around in the .local/share/Trash directory by hand on hardy
[12:11] <cwillu_clone> changes weren't showing up until I killall'd gnome-panel, and then the trash applet started working properly again
[12:12] <cwillu_clone> that said, let me read your bug :p
[12:12] <BUGabundo> eheh
[12:12] <BUGabundo> do you have that bug id?
[12:12] <BUGabundo> maybe we could dupe or reference to it
[12:12] <BUGabundo> its not my bug... it was someone here yesterday
[12:12] <BUGabundo> I just filed it, 'cause of the inicial severity
[12:13] <BUGabundo> for a few minutes we though that files were beeing rm instead of sent to Trash
[12:13] <cwillu_clone> BUGabundo, works fine on my desktop
[12:14] <BUGabundo> mine too
[12:14] <cwillu_clone> touch foo; nautilus .; select foo and hit del; check trash, foo showsup
[12:14] <BUGabundo> but some times Trash takes a while to update the applet
[12:14] <rconan> works for me too
[12:14] <cwillu_clone> oh, are we just talking about the full/empty trash bin image?
[12:14] <BUGabundo> will boot again from usb and check
[12:14] <BUGabundo> I could confirme it from 2 pcs yesterday
[12:15] <BUGabundo> don't you hate run way bugs?
[12:15] <cwillu_clone> I'm a little out of date on updates, I'm not updating until I finish the bisect lest I break my testcase :p
[12:15] <BUGabundo> ah
[12:15] <rconan> mine is fully up to date
[12:15] <cwillu_clone> BUGabundo, is it just the status image though?  or the actual contents of the trash folder?
[12:15] <rconan> I assumed the status image
[12:16] <cwillu_clone> if you can dupe it, pastebin ~/.xsessionerrors, I have a slight suspision that it might be a crashy gvfs server
[12:16] <cwillu_clone> s/server/daemon/
[12:16] <cwillu_clone> s/daemon/dæmon/ :p
[12:16] <BUGabundo> cwillu_clone: Trash folder too
[12:16] <cwillu_clone> k, no, I can't dupe it then
[12:17] <cwillu_clone> gvfs trash will act a little wonky if its metadata gets out of sync, which might be related to this
[12:17] <BUGabundo> guess I'll let it marinate a bit and then close as invalid
[12:30]  * BUGabundo bah spam Return-Path: <www-data@enforcer.homedns.org>
[12:30] <rconan> hmm... still many Xinerama bugs
[13:07] <Le-Chuck_ITA> BUGabundo: are you getting these messages in return to ubuntu-devel-discuss messages?
[13:08] <Le-Chuck_ITA> me too
[13:09] <joneskoo> btw, any idea why on 9.04 64bit install on macbook the screen backlight setting is pretty much random
[13:09] <joneskoo> it does change but setting max-1 is completely off and it goes in random steps from there on, up and down
[13:21] <myk_robinson> lunie2ns-linux: you awake?
[13:34] <XKiLL3R> hey all
[13:34] <XKiLL3R> any 1 can help ?
[13:35] <scizzo-> !ask
[13:36] <XKiLL3R> Every time i install my ati driver , after a restart it gives me a blank screen and i can't even use the recovery mode , VGA = ATI HD 2600
[13:36] <XKiLL3R> ...
[13:38] <XKiLL3R> some 1 around ?
[13:38] <rconan> XKiLL3R: patience
[13:38] <rconan> if someone can help they will
[13:39] <XKiLL3R> Ok :D
[13:41]  * XKiLL3R is watching
[13:43] <XKiLL3R> sudo sudo
[13:45] <aurel42> Did anyone notice the problems ssh-agent currently has? (I realize most non-admins are probably not using ssh-agent.)
[13:47] <rconan> aurel42: what problems are they?
[13:48] <aurel42> rconan: ssh-agent dies (ie. goes "[defunct]") after extended use. It never worked >48h for me since upgrading to jaunty.
[13:48] <rconan> aurel42: can't say I've tried it for >48h
[13:49] <rconan> what exactly does ssh-agent do?
[13:49]  * rconan should know
[13:50] <aurel42> It manages auth tokens (SSH keys) for key-based authentication.
[13:50] <rconan> I know it's something to do with private key auth
[13:50] <rconan> so if I'm using key-based auth I'm using it?
[13:50] <aurel42> rconan: you could use it, but you're not forced to.
[13:51] <rconan> aurel42: am I doing so by default
[13:51] <rconan> ?
[13:51] <aurel42> rconan: if your SSH key is protected by a pass phrase and you have to enter the pass phrase for every connection you establish, then you're not using it.
[13:51] <rconan> my ssh key has no passphrase
[13:51] <rconan> so maybe I'm not
[13:51] <joneskoo> asac: I have the lshal captures now. would you like instead the -m monitoring output pasted?
[13:51] <aurel42> Then you're probably not using it.
[13:51] <rconan> XenoP: missing some letters today?
[13:52] <aurel42> rconan: I consider an unprotected SSH key a major security risk.
[13:52] <joneskoo> asac: including plug in, "CD" eject and usb id change after that
[13:52] <rconan> aurel42: how so? the private key is the only bit which is protected by a passphrase and it's only on my PC
[13:52] <rconan> which is locked in my house
[13:52] <cwillu_clone> aurel42, defunct just means the process has ended and its parent hasn't cleaned up yet.  Does it show anything when it dies?
[13:53] <joneskoo> about nautilus segfaulting: http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/353111
[13:53] <cwillu_clone> rconan, the private key is what he's talking about
[13:53] <joneskoo> 1 bug filed, 3 to go
[13:54] <rconan> cwillu_clone: well I consider the locks on my doors better security than the passphrase :p
[13:54] <aurel42> rconan: imagine a browser exploit that allows an attacker to read/transfer local files. That's quite a common exploit.
[13:54] <cwillu_clone> rconan, the issue is that any process you run can read it if it's not encrypted, so now any non-root vulnerability becomes more severe
[13:54] <aurel42> cwillu_clone: as far as I know, ssh-agent doesn't log anything anywhere, does it?
[13:54] <rconan> hmm... I guess
[13:54] <rconan> but doesn't ssh-agent keep an unencrypted version open anyway?
[13:55] <cwillu_clone> aurel42, you'd need to run it in debug mode so that it doesn't fork
[13:55] <cwillu_clone> rconan, in memory, which has significantly more protection
[13:55] <rconan> cwillu_clone: ah... ok
[13:55] <rconan> maybe I'm converted
[13:55] <cwillu_clone> aurel42, might want to check sshd_config that it's not overriding the default lifetime or something
[13:55] <aurel42> cwillu_clone: any hints on where to change that? ssh-agent is usually called as parent process of the GUI, IIRC, so all GUI applications have access to its environment vars.
[13:56] <rconan> I'm never sure how ssh keys should work, are they supposed to be per person or per machine?
[13:56] <joneskoo> on OS X and I guess on recent ubuntu as well, it's possible to store the password in keychain
[13:56] <cwillu_clone> aurel42, killall ssh-agent; ssh-agent -d? :p
[13:56] <aurel42> rconan: definitely per person.
[13:56] <rconan> aurel42: so I should have the same keypair on all machines I use
[13:57] <aurel42> cwillu_clone: that wouldn't work. ;)
[13:57] <aurel42> cwillu_clone: what would work is eval $(ssh-agent), but only for the shell where you enter that command, not for all of the GUI.
[13:57] <joneskoo> perhaps even per-person and per-machine
[13:57] <cwillu_clone> aurel42, I'm presuming the competency to run commands from a terminal after running `ssh-agent`.
[13:58] <cwillu_clone> aurel42, was that a mistake? :p
[13:58] <joneskoo> it's possible to have multiple keys allowed, while you can only have one password at once
[13:58] <aurel42> cwillu_clone: still, the eval is needed or the shell won't see the SSH_ environment vars.
[13:58] <joneskoo> doesn't modern ubuntu have some automagic ssh-agent invocation with password-protected keys?
[13:58] <rconan> joneskoo: I know you can have more than one... at the moment I generate them here and there all the time... I was wondering if I should be using a single pair instead
[13:59] <cwillu_clone> `ssh-agent` == $(ssh-agent), except I don't have to hit shift to get the $, ( and )
[13:59] <cwillu_clone> (backticks)
[13:59] <joneskoo> rconan: I'd receommend multiple if you can control where you've installed the keys reasonably or old keys won't still be leaked
[13:59]  * cwillu_clone pokes aurel42 with a stick
[13:59] <aurel42> cwillu_clone: ah, sorry, I didn't notice they were backticks, I thought you were just quoting the command.
[14:01] <BUGabundo> joneskoo: to contact asac you better go to #ubuntu-mozillateam (aka home support for NM)
[14:01] <joneskoo> how come the name :)
[14:01] <joneskoo> that's a weird name for NM
[14:01] <BUGabundo> LOL
[14:01] <BUGabundo> no
[14:01] <BUGabundo> he is part of the mozilla team too
[14:02] <cwillu_clone> aurel42, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openssh/+bug/99065 might be related
[14:02] <cwillu_clone> although it's a few years old
[14:03] <joneskoo> a few years old, new :)
[14:03] <aurel42> cwillu_clone: great, tyvm. I wasn't aware there was a trick to make the new agent use the existing socket. That's very helpful.
[14:04] <BUGabundo> I have 300+ bugs in new or triage waiting for man power to touch them
[14:04] <cwillu_clone> aurel42, mind posting on that bug report to saw you're having the dying issue though?
[14:04] <cwillu_clone> s/saw/say/
[14:04] <rconan> BUGabundo: you reported that many?
[14:05] <BUGabundo> rconan: no
[14:05] <BUGabundo> I've reported many more
[14:05] <BluesKaj> 'Morning Folks
[14:05] <rconan> XenoPhoenix: found those extra letters I see, where were they hiding...
[14:05] <BUGabundo> just last week yoboy help me close more then 80
[14:05] <XenoPhoenix> well
[14:05] <BUGabundo> BluesKaj: good afternoon
[14:05] <XenoPhoenix> they got lost somewhere on a ping timeout ;)
[14:05] <BluesKaj> :)
[14:05] <rconan> ah... into the void of the internets...
[14:06] <rconan> aurel42: ok then.... so having set up a key with a passphrase how do I set up ssh-agent so I don't have to type it every time?
[14:08] <BluesKaj> ran Nmap on our LAN this morning before and after all vista's were logged on , and all good so far
[14:10] <aurel42> cwillu_clone: [x] done, thanks again for your advice.
[14:10] <aurel42> rconan: "ssh-add"
[14:10] <cwillu_clone> rconan, should be running already (you should get a gksudo-style prompt for your keyring password even when you ssh from a terminal)
[14:11]  * cwillu_clone git bisect good's and starts the next kernel build
[14:12] <rconan> cwillu_clone: I don't get gksudo style prompt but I'm quite happy with a regular terminal one... in fact I prefer it
[14:12] <rconan> aurel42: cheers
[14:13] <aurel42> rconan: I seem to remember there was a tool called ssh-askpass, perhaps you only get the dialog if that's installed (I might be confusing Debian & Ubuntu behaviour there).
[14:14] <rconan> I'd prefer not to get the dialog since I usually have around 7 terminals open and I'd always like to know which is asking for the password
[14:15] <aurel42> rconan: I don't like the dialog because it grabs the keyboard (probably for a good reason) and I hate dialogs I can't ignore while I'm doing something else. ;)
[14:15] <rconan> what about getting it to work with terminals which aren't running inside my X logon like ones inside screen?
[14:16] <rconan> I'm still getting asked for a password there
[14:16] <rconan> sorry passphrase
[14:16] <aurel42> rconan: eval $(ssh-agent) ; ssh-add
[14:16] <aurel42> rconan: that starts a new ssh-agent instance for that shell only.
[14:16] <rconan> I guess I could add eval $(ssh-agent) to my .bashrc
[14:17] <rconan> wont the new ssh-agent need a passphrase anyway though
[14:17] <Le-Chuck_ITA> cwillu_clone: I saw that a couple of times (the gnome keyring<->ssh password interaction) then it ... disappeared!
[14:17] <rconan> no way to have one which will work inside and outside of screen?
[14:17] <aurel42> rconan: you could, but I would test whether you already have one running (e.g. test for the existence of the SSH_ environment vars).
[14:18] <rconan> SSH_AGENT_PID is set
[14:18] <rconan> but it'll be from my previous logon since this screen lasted since then
[14:18] <aurel42> rconan: I guess you could also "copy" the existing SSH_ env vars to another shell on the same machine.
[14:18] <reduz> ok Question! how do i fix the nvidia driver isues? propertary drivers just don't work
[14:18] <cwillu_clone> reduz, nvidia should be working, is there a particular bug you're seeing?
[14:19] <reduz> cwillu_clone, nope, it's just using the regular xorg drivers (no 3D)
[14:19] <reduz> cwillu_clone, jockey gtk or enabling desktop effects won't enable the driver
[14:19] <cwillu_clone> reduz, do you have nvidia-glx-180 or whichever you need for your hardware installed?
[14:19] <BUGabundo> reduz: have you enabel compiz ?
[14:19] <reduz> BUGabundo, no works
[14:19] <BUGabundo> reduz: what card?
[14:19] <reduz> cwillu_clone, i think so
[14:19] <cwillu_clone> reduz, and did you previously install the file off nvidia's website?  (a .run file)
[14:19] <reduz> BUGabundo, gf8600gt
[14:19] <reduz> cwillu_clone, nope, always used the ubuntu one
[14:20] <cwillu_clone> reduz, does xorg.conf include driver "nvidia"?
[14:20] <reduz> let me check
[14:20] <BUGabundo> or better yet
[14:20] <cwillu_clone> BUGabundo, yay for twenty questions :)
[14:20] <BUGabundo> run $ sudo nvidia-xconfig
[14:20] <cwillu_clone> BUGabundo, that'll destroy the evidence though, no?
[14:20] <reduz> cwillu_clone, it says Driver "nv"
[14:20] <cwillu_clone> want to see if it's already there
[14:20] <cwillu_clone> reduz, there's your problem
[14:21] <cwillu_clone> reduz, run BUGabundo's line
[14:21] <BUGabundo> cwillu_clone: no... it will make a new xorg.conf and backup old one
[14:21] <joneskoo> http://pastie.org/433771 - pasted lshal -m output from problems with A-Link 3GU USB 3G modem, commented.
[14:21] <cwillu_clone> BUGabundo, you misunderstand :)
[14:21] <reduz> $ sudo nvidia-xconfig
[14:21] <reduz> sudo: nvidia-xconfig: command not found
[14:21] <BUGabundo> ah??
[14:21] <cwillu_clone> BUGabundo, why run a command and wait for him to restart x to see if it fixes it, when we can just check for one line and know if it's the problem immediately :)
[14:21] <BUGabundo> is it installed ?
[14:21] <reduz> no such package either
[14:22] <cwillu_clone> reduz, sudo apt-get install nvidia-tools I believe
[14:22] <cwillu_clone> !info nvidia-tools
[14:22] <cwillu_clone> !info nvidia-utils
[14:22] <BUGabundo> $ apt-cache policy nvidia-glx-180
[14:22]  * cwillu_clone blinks
[14:22] <BUGabundo> reduz: $ apt-cache policy nvidia-glx-180
[14:22] <BluesKaj> !nvidia
[14:22] <reduz> nvidia-glx-180:
[14:22] <reduz>   Installed: (none)
[14:22] <reduz>   Candidate: (none)
[14:23] <BUGabundo> duh
[14:23] <BUGabundo> there's your bigger prob
[14:23] <BUGabundo> (not that cwillu_clone NV was smaller)
[14:23] <cwillu_clone> !info nvidia-settings
[14:23] <BluesKaj> reduz , adept has the nvidia-glx-180 driver, just check that your card is listed
[14:23] <cwillu_clone> BluesKaj, his card is supported
[14:24] <BUGabundo> reduz: $ lspci | grep dia
[14:24] <BUGabundo> BluesKaj: don't!!
[14:24] <BUGabundo> jockey does some magic!
[14:24] <BluesKaj> then he's in business
[14:24] <BUGabundo> it should be installed with jockey
[14:24] <reduz> 02:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation GeForce 8600GT (rev a1)
[14:24] <reduz> BUGabundo, jockey doesn't work
[14:24] <BUGabundo> reduz: really?
[14:24] <BUGabundo> time to get mvo or pitti
[14:24] <reduz> yeah, just does nothing and exists
[14:25] <reduz> er, exits
[14:25] <BUGabundo> reduz: popup on #ubuntu-devel
[14:25] <BluesKaj> BUGabundo , I have 7600GT card using the 180 driver with no problems
[14:25] <BUGabundo> I have a 8400 no probs either BluesKaj
[14:25] <BUGabundo> that's why we are helping him
[14:25] <BluesKaj> why use jockey ?
[14:25] <draitz> degus
[14:25] <reduz> BUGabundo, i'm there
[14:30] <joneskoo> aha. my bug 353111 was closed since the earlier instructions to report a bug were not the same as expected by someone.
[14:30] <robertj> gmail autopilot is awesome
[14:31] <joneskoo> I re-reported with new instructions and filed bug 353131
[14:31] <BUGabundo> free tip from pitti: when running Jockey, close all other apt frontend apps
[14:31] <BUGabundo> robertj: !offtopic
[14:31] <joneskoo> aha. it's private so no one will be able to read it?
[14:32] <BUGabundo> joneskoo: if you want us to read it, please check the logs for private stuff (like passwords) and remove the private flag
[14:32] <joneskoo> BUGabundo: there shouldn't be any unless the login password is shown for some reason?
[14:33] <BUGabundo> don't know
[14:33] <BUGabundo> the logs are yours
[14:33] <BUGabundo> was it an apport crash?
[14:33] <joneskoo> what's apport really? it was in /var/crash
[14:33] <joneskoo> I was instructed to doubleclick it
[14:33] <joneskoo> nautilus crash
[14:34] <joneskoo> I guess there's a nautilus core dump included. should I expect it to contain login password?
[14:34] <joneskoo> or something similar
[14:34] <BUGabundo> joneskoo: see the logs on LP
[14:35] <joneskoo> BUGabundo: what do you mean? the text files don't contain anything private
[14:35] <BUGabundo> they can
[14:35] <BUGabundo> only the OP and QA team can see them
[14:35] <joneskoo> BUGabundo: I can't tell about the coredump but others are fine
[14:37] <BUGabundo> then remove the private flag, if you are sure
[14:40] <joneskoo> I guess I'll just change my password just in case ;)  , it was time for it anyways
[14:40] <joneskoo> BUGabundo: it's public now
[14:41]  * BUGabundo looking
[14:42] <BUGabundo> reduz: you must learn about pastebin
[14:42] <BUGabundo>  !pastebin
[14:43] <BUGabundo> after pitti helps you let us know what you learned
[14:44] <reduz> BUGabundo, oh ok, using that
[14:44] <BUGabundo> joneskoo: please install libbrasero-media0-dbgsym
[14:45] <joneskoo> BUGabundo: where do I find it? apt-cache search libbraser doesn't show it
[14:45] <joneskoo> libbrasero-media-dev I can find but not dbgsym
[14:45] <BUGabundo> humm
[14:45] <BUGabundo> need to add another repo
[14:45] <BUGabundo>  !debug
[14:46] <BUGabundo> deb http://ddebs.ubuntu.com jaunty main restricted universe multiverse
[14:47] <rconan> joneskoo: what problem are you having with brasero?
[14:47] <joneskoo> rconan: nautilus segfaults when I plug in a 3G modem
[14:47] <rconan> I had an issue recently with it making nautilus coredump
[14:47] <BUGabundo> I'm already discussing this on #ubuntu-devel
[14:47] <BUGabundo> they are wating for the retacer to do its job
[14:48] <rconan> joneskoo: are you running the most recent updates for brasero? It fixes the problem I think
[14:48] <joneskoo> rconan: updated some 4-5 hours ago
[14:48] <rconan> joneskoo: version 2.26.0-0ubuntu2 ?
[14:49] <BUGabundo> Installed: 2.26.0-0ubuntu2
[14:49] <joneskoo> BUGabundo: should I do something again now after I've installed it?
[14:49] <BUGabundo> yeah
[14:49] <BUGabundo> crash it
[14:49] <rconan> for reference the issue I was having with brasero making nautilus segfault was this:
[14:49] <rconan> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/brasero/+bug/339993
[14:50] <reduz> BUGabundo, ok, jockey is bugged it seems. do you know how to install the nvidia driver by hand?
[14:50] <joneskoo> BUGabundo: I'll reboot for a clean state first.
[14:50] <BUGabundo> reduz: pitti is the guy to ask
[14:51] <BUGabundo> hey rconan I did something similar to that yesterday, running a lice usb and starting as ROOT
[14:51] <reduz> BUGabundo, yeah, he seems to have determined it is a bug in dbus which causes jockey to not work, but he's busy
[14:51] <reduz> I mean, i really don't want to have to install the driver manually from nvidia :(
[14:51] <rconan> BUGabundo: that fix was only released today so it might have been that
[14:52] <reduz> i just want to do it in a ubuntu friendly way, or else everything will break in the future
[14:52] <rconan> oh no... a couple of days ago
[14:52] <BUGabundo> reduz: didn't he ask you to file a bug?
[14:52] <BUGabundo> and add your logs?
[14:52] <reduz> BUGabundo, did all that
[14:52] <BUGabundo> then he can take care of it when he is able too
[14:53] <frybye> Hmm  what is this pop-up with Unicode Rawdata etc  SCIM??? never seen it before..?
[14:54] <reduz> BUGabundo, well, i went to jaunty because ibex was really buggy (had all sort of problems), guess it wasn't a good idea
[14:55] <reduz> ibex issues seem fixed in jaunty, but no nvidia
[14:55] <frybye> reduz: had u done a fresh install of ibex??
[14:55] <joneskoo> BUGabundo: "Sorry, the program "nautilus" closed unexpectedly.", should I hit report problem again or what to append it?
[14:55] <reduz> frybye, yes it was a fresh install
[14:56] <reduz> frybye, and got several really annoying bugs, such as pulseaudio constantly crashing, network with static ip deconfiguring every time i boot, key repeat of left/down cursor keys disabling itself, and a few other bugs
[14:57] <BUGabundo> joneskoo: yeah report it
[14:57] <BUGabundo> to a new
[14:57] <BUGabundo> then mark the old one as dupe of that
[14:57] <BUGabundo> since that one should have the debug symbols
[14:57] <BUGabundo> but you can see if anything is missing before sending
[14:58] <frybye> this popup is offering me the choice of -multibyte coding or unicode- input method - what is that all about??
[15:00] <joneskoo> BUGabundo: I don't know how to mark it :) the new one is 353150, which I'll briefly see through before marking public
[15:01] <BUGabundo> ok
[15:02] <BUGabundo> waiting for it
[15:02] <joneskoo> public now
[15:04] <BUGabundo> lol
[15:04] <BUGabundo> there are some symbols missing
[15:04] <BUGabundo> better wait for the retracer
[15:04] <joneskoo> sorry?
[15:04] <joneskoo> what's retracer?
[15:05] <BUGabundo> its a program on LP that runs over your crash
[15:05] <BUGabundo> and gets the info needed
[15:05] <BUGabundo> does the same was you, by running with debug symblos
[15:05] <joneskoo> basically stupid user doesn't give enough info and the program automagically tries to repeat the case with some selective brute force? :)
[15:06] <BUGabundo> something like that
[15:08] <joneskoo> I should propably file another for "mousetweaks" which crashes on login
[15:08] <joneskoo> BUGabundo: if debug isn't installed by default even on 9.04 beta, how is anyone supposed to submit proper reports? :)
[15:09] <BUGabundo> ppl install them when they need to debug
[15:09] <BUGabundo> other then that, retracer runs and extracts what ever it cans
[15:09] <BUGabundo> if not enough the Dev in charges asks the user for further tests
[15:10] <BUGabundo> experienced users / testers already know the drill
[15:10] <BUGabundo> I run several apps under dbg with debugsymbols installed
[15:10] <digitaloktay> !topic
[15:10] <joneskoo> I guess I'll install mousetweaks-dbgsym and re-login to try to get better report
[15:19] <bsnider> Young hearts be free tonight. time is on your side,
[15:19] <bsnider> Dont let them put you down, dont let em push you around,
[15:19] <bsnider> Dont let em ever change your point of view.
[15:22] <Le-Chuck_ITA> In jaunty for the first time I have a decent dual-output video, but how do I decide where the panels and the desktop go? I want them on both monitors!
[15:24] <marlun> Anyone else who has had problems installing pgAdmin from source because it can't find the postgresql installation?
[15:25] <BUGabundo> cwillu_clone: Bug 352971 got updated!
[15:29] <joneskoo> BUGabundo: how come my nautilus bug is a duplicate of 335942 and there it's asked if the problem persist on the version I have?
[15:29] <BUGabundo> I marked one dupe of the other
[15:29] <BUGabundo> let me check how they are
[15:29] <BUGabundo> what are the bug ids agains?
[15:30] <joneskoo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/353150 is the one that should contain debug syms
[15:30] <BUGabundo> lol
[15:30] <BUGabundo> pedro didn't see my dupe
[15:31] <BUGabundo> joneskoo: master bug is now 335942
[15:31] <joneskoo> BUGabundo: so this is still a duplicate of it?
[15:31] <BUGabundo> yes
[15:32] <BUGabundo> please comment on the last question
[15:32] <BUGabundo> to see if latests brasero fixs it or not
[15:32] <BUGabundo> and change it to New
[15:32] <joneskoo> change what to new
[15:33] <BUGabundo> never mind
[15:33] <BUGabundo> just comment on it
[15:33] <BUGabundo> bug 335942
[15:33] <joneskoo> commented
[15:33] <nandersson> Hi, I have a dualscreen setup, laptop+external 22", and after upgrading to Jaunty my primary screen is suddenly the laptop. I want it to be the big 22". But I cant set it in either grandr nor Display Preferences.
[15:33] <thiebaude> bug 304871
[15:34] <nandersson> where do I file this bug? gnome-panel?
[15:34] <BUGabundo> joneskoo: now wait or ask on # devel
[15:34] <BUGabundo> thiebaude: do you want something?
[15:34] <BUGabundo> nandersson: bugs go to launchpad.net
[15:34] <BUGabundo>  !launchpad
[15:34] <BUGabundo>  !bugs
[15:34] <thiebaude> is there a workaround the bug problem,
[15:34] <nandersson> BUGabundo, yeah...but what package?
[15:35] <nandersson> There are like thousands of them
[15:35] <BUGabundo> let me look
[15:35] <joneskoo> BUGabundo: I need to go do some things so I guess I'll wait. I checked "mail me on changes"
[15:35] <BUGabundo> Package: gnome-panel
[15:36] <thiebaude> the last 2 days updates to xserver-xorg-video-intel, but i still cant log into gnome, only fluxbox, BUGabundo
[15:36] <BUGabundo> nandersson: gnome-panel IS the package name
[15:36] <BUGabundo> thiebaude: do you have a 855?
[15:36] <nandersson> BUGabundo, ok, great. Because there is also a program gnome-display-properties
[15:36] <thiebaude> I815
[15:36] <thiebaude> 81815
[15:36] <dupondje> ubuntu-docs seems broken :)
[15:36] <thiebaude> it is dupondje
[15:37] <dupondje> ok :)
[15:37] <BUGabundo> nandersson: that's in gnome-panel IS the package name
[15:37] <BUGabundo> nandersson: that's in gnome-control-center
[15:37] <nandersson> BUGabundo, ah, great, thanks :) I post it there
[15:37] <BUGabundo> thiebaude: that's another bug
[15:37] <BUGabundo> please ask bryce on #ubuntu-x
[15:37] <thiebaude> ok thanks BUGabundo
[15:43] <frybye> re - at home i have at the moment 2 comp - both running jaunty on a router - under network i only see "Windows network" and clicking on that gets "cant mount the resource" so where is the "linux network??"
[15:43] <frybye> or how do i set one up??
[15:44] <BUGabundo> frybye: samba is known as wind netw shares
[15:44] <BUGabundo> I you need to install samba server
[15:44] <BUGabundo> just open Synaptic, Edit , Package by name, Samba
[15:45] <BUGabundo> or right click on a folder you want to share
[15:46] <frybye> i have samba - or had it with intrepid??
[15:48] <frybye> ok - was not installed scince updt to jaunty.. tks..
[15:52] <dupondje> How can I make I can access my computers in the network with their name? cause now it just doesn't resolve ...
[15:52] <frybye> re: BUGabundo it still says mounting the windows network is not possible..?
[15:52] <BUGabundo> frybye: try by ip
[15:52] <thiebaude> BUGabundo: using gnome safemode didn't work
[15:52] <BUGabundo> dupondje: you need some thing to run as DNS server
[15:52] <frybye> but why windows network - there are only 2 ubuntu boxes just now..?
[15:52] <BUGabundo> thiebaude: what failed?
[15:53] <BUGabundo> frybye: has I said, that's SAMBA too
[15:53] <BUGabundo> no t just windows shares aka CIFS
[15:53] <dupondje> BUGabundo:  but the ip's are not static ... so dns is bit crap ?
[15:53] <dupondje> and overkill for only 3 hosts ...
[15:53] <dupondje> how does windows fix that ? :p
[15:53] <thiebaude> BUGabundo: the same problem of the messed up graphics then the mouse freezes
[15:54] <hil> dupondje: did you add yourself as samba user?
[15:54] <bsnider> dupondje, can't your router map ip addresses to mac addresses?
[15:54] <BUGabundo> dupondje: broadcast
[15:55] <BUGabundo> dupondje: google a bit. im sure you will find and HowTo on how to change the way samba broadcasts and listens to name resolving
[15:55] <dupondje> it prolly helps to start with installing samba ;)
[15:55] <dupondje> thx
[15:55] <BUGabundo> thiebaude: that really sounds as the same bug as all those 8x5
[15:55] <BUGabundo> but X devs don't want it .....
[15:55] <thiebaude> i agree BUGabundo
[15:56] <frybye> do i have to manually start samba???
[15:56] <BUGabundo> thiebaude: let me nag them a bit more
[15:56] <BUGabundo> frybye: server? or client?
[15:56] <thiebaude> ok thanks
[15:56] <frybye> BUGabundo: = no idea??
[15:57] <BUGabundo> frybye: server? or client?
[15:57] <frybye> They are both on the local pc.. a ha - not installed on oter pc..ha ha...
[15:57] <bsnider> i think he said he had no idea
[15:57] <frybye> wait a min..
[15:58] <bsnider> samba has to be installed on all pcs for all pcs to use it.
[15:58] <frybye> no samba on the other pc i guess.. give me amin... heheh
[15:59] <BUGabundo> bsnider: only the client is required
[15:59] <genii> At least samba server on one and smbfs on the others
[16:00] <bsnider> i understand that
[16:00] <BUGabundo> and the one that's shares, with server
[16:00]  * Blues-Man ciao
[16:03] <frybye> <--- stands in the corner wearing the pointed hat - the other pc was swithed off.. sorry folks.. man oh man the shire did fry my brains i n the 70's
[16:03] <BUGabundo> ehehee
[16:04] <cwillu_clone> BUGabundo, bug #2's been fixed already, eh? :)
[16:04] <BUGabundo> seems so! too fast! not enough funny
[16:04] <cwillu_clone> quite :)
[16:07] <cwillu_clone> I like how the first clickable link is a link to 8.10 though :)
[16:07] <dinu> hi all..
[16:08] <bsnider> what's bug 2?
[16:08] <dinu> have a problem, can change screen resolution 1280x1024
[16:08]  * cwillu_clone pokes dinu with a stick
[16:08] <dinu> ubuntu 9.0.4
[16:08] <[Vex]> dinu, didn't krandrtray help? ;)
[16:08] <cwillu_clone> bsnider, tongue in cheek name for https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/352971 :)
[16:08] <dinu> geforce 8500GT
[16:08] <thiebaude> lol
[16:09] <cwillu_clone> dinu, 9.04 (not 9.0.4)
[16:09] <dinu> :D.. ok
[16:09] <[Vex]> ubottu: hehe
[16:09] <cwillu_clone> dinu, what video chipset, what resolution should it be,eh?
[16:09] <dinu> i have downloading now krandrtray
[16:09] <bsnider> one potential fix would be the die hard 4 treatment, where if you install it your computer explodes as if there's a few pounds of c4 in it
[16:09] <dinu> geforce 85900GT
[16:09] <cwillu_clone> bah, s/eh/etc/
[16:10] <cwillu_clone> bsnider, they fixed the wording already, I'm satisfied
[16:10] <cwillu_clone> """For testing only! This is a pre-release version of Ubuntu and is almost ready for general use. If it is important that your computer run reliably please continue to use the current stable release (8.10) until this version is ready on April 23rd, 2009. """
[16:11] <[Vex]> dinu: you use apt right?
[16:11] <BUGabundo> cwillu_clone: can it be? can ppl think 9.04 is a number composed version aka 9.0.4 ?
[16:12] <dinu> what is apt?
[16:12] <dinu> sory but a am new to linux
[16:12] <[Vex]> apt-get/aptitude/adept, some package manager
[16:12] <Superdweeb> hey dinu, wanna have a foursome with BRITNEY SPEARS and OPERA WINFREY?
[16:12] <dinu> yes
[16:12] <Superdweeb> Vex, how do I refill wanda's tank?
[16:12] <[Vex]> dinu: if yout newb, I'd recomend Intrepid 8.10
[16:12] <BUGabundo> [Vex]: just let him use Add/Remove... or at MAX Synaptic
[16:13] <ikonia> dinu: I'd strongly suggest following [Vex]'s advice, if you're new to linux using a beta product may not be the best idea
[16:13] <BUGabundo> unless dinu as a spair machine
[16:13] <BUGabundo> or just want to run the LiveCD/USB
[16:13] <[Vex]> ikonia: thx... and may not... an understatement ;)
[16:13] <dinu> yass.. i know but whant to try it
[16:13] <dinu> :D
[16:14] <cwillu_clone> dinu, this like when google calls gmail beta for 3 years :)
[16:14] <thiebaude> BUGabundo: i'll go back to 8.10 until a fixed is released, thanks for helping again.
[16:14] <ikonia> dinu: keep in mind there is no real "support" for 9.04 - so using a supported distro if you don't know what you're doing at all is really the best support we can offer
[16:14] <cwillu_clone> bah
[16:14] <cwillu_clone> _isn't_ like
[16:14] <dinu> ook ok
[16:14] <cwillu_clone> this _isn't_ like when google calls gmail 'beta' for 3 years
[16:15] <dinu> thnks again..
[16:15] <dinu> :D..
[16:15] <cwillu_clone> when stuff breaks, it really breaks :)
[16:15] <thiebaude> cwillu_clone: yup it still is beta
[16:16] <Superdweeb> Wanda's tank has emptied, how do I fill it?
[16:16] <cwillu_clone> weird, I thought it left beta a while ago
[16:16] <cwillu_clone> guess that was googlemaps :)
[16:16] <BUGabundo> I lost X twice yesterday
[16:16] <BUGabundo> and had to debug another PC with 865
[16:16] <[Vex]> just a small Q: Can you browse your bluetooth units in Jaunty?
[16:16] <BUGabundo> X is prob the most buggy package at the moment
[16:16] <BUGabundo> since PA is now calmer
[16:16] <thiebaude> !x
[16:16] <BUGabundo> [Vex]: I used to be able too
[16:17] <BUGabundo> I can test if you want
[16:17] <[Vex]> BUGabundo: well, they have 22 days to fix it ;)
[16:17] <BUGabundo> many changes have been introduced
[16:17] <BUGabundo> because of a bug
[16:17] <Superdweeb> my system hasn't crashed in 20 days.
[16:17] <[Vex]> BUGabundo: doesn't work in Intrepid (BT)
[16:17] <BUGabundo> mine did
[16:17] <Superdweeb> probably cus I'm running really old hardware.
[16:17] <BUGabundo> and also on jaunty
[16:17] <Superdweeb> and not a lot of accessories.
[16:18] <BUGabundo> Superdweeb: I tend to say that Ubuntu (each new version) is aimed to 6 months to 2,5 years PCs
[16:18] <Superdweeb> yea..
[16:18] <BUGabundo> newer then that and it may not support it
[16:18] <BUGabundo> older, is too slow
[16:18] <Superdweeb> I wish I had an I-core seven with 8 gigs of ram on a 1.4ghz bus
[16:18] <BUGabundo> I believe most of us here believe that too
[16:18] <Superdweeb> instead I've got a pentium M with a gig of ram.
[16:19] <[Vex]> I seldomly have problems... my machine is 1yr old.....
[16:19] <[Vex]> need a newer one, I know... but the boss...
[16:19] <Superdweeb> I turned off bluetooth and a ton of stuff I don't use, but why does ubuntu have R-sync running?
[16:19] <[Vex]> upgrade to everey new release
[16:20] <Superdweeb> Can someone enlighten me? Does rsync have something to do with apt? will apt automatically try to rsync packages if possible?
[16:20] <BUGabundo> Superdweeb: no
[16:20] <BUGabundo> if it is on, is because you installed it
[16:20] <BUGabundo> and let the option for it to run as daemon
[16:21] <Superdweeb> no , it was included with the beta and running by default.
[16:21] <Superdweeb> removing it breaks ubuntu-standard.
[16:22] <Superdweeb> but since you say apt doesn't use it, I'm getting rid of it promptly.
[16:22] <amon__> i have it installed by default too
[16:22] <Superdweeb> dinu wanted to change his screen resolution, but when he tried to access the menu bar, it wouldn't let him.
[16:23] <Superdweeb> could be he has a really weird system..
[16:23] <amon__> that rsync thing excites me
[16:23] <throughn1thing> is it possible to change the location (specifically the monitor/screen) where the new notification/osd stuff appear in Jaunty?
[16:23] <Superdweeb> the new notification system is non-interactive.
[16:23] <QPrime> errr... nice channel topic.
[16:24] <throughn1thing> Superdweeb: i realize that, but does it have preferences?
[16:24] <cwillu_clone> throughn1thing, not yet
[16:24] <Superdweeb> IT did.
[16:24] <Superdweeb> I think its in preferences.
[16:24] <cwillu_clone> Superdweeb, notify-osd never had a working preferences dialog
[16:24] <cwillu_clone> Superdweeb, the old notification system did, we're not up to feature parity yet
[16:24] <Superdweeb> there was a working notification system editing dialog once, once.
[16:25] <Superdweeb> Possibly not for this one, I havn't seen it.
[16:25] <cwillu_clone> Superdweeb, not for notify-osd
[16:25] <BUGabundo> cwillu_clone: there are some gconf options for it
[16:25] <BUGabundo> like placement
[16:25] <BUGabundo> I can't believe that rsync daemon is part of standard seed
[16:25] <Superdweeb> it is.
[16:26] <Superdweeb> I hearby commission you to get rid of it.
[16:26] <BUGabundo> let me rdepend it
[16:26] <Superdweeb> rdepend? sounds like some magical tool I've never heard of.
[16:26] <BUGabundo> there it is
[16:26] <BUGabundo> you are right
[16:26] <cwillu_clone> BUGabundo, you don't mean apps/notification-daemon?  that's the stuff for the old daemon
[16:26] <BUGabundo> $ apt-cache rdepends rsync
[16:26] <Superdweeb> Is that like rdeathstar?
[16:26] <ikonia> Superdweeb: is it running in daemon mode, or just the binary there
[16:26] <BUGabundo> cwillu_clone: I think its osd
[16:27] <Superdweeb> it WAS running in some kind of deamon mod
[16:27] <BUGabundo> Superdweeb: can you pastebin netstat please?
[16:27] <Superdweeb> I uninstalled it 5 minutes ago.
[16:27] <BUGabundo> sudo netstat -tupla | grep rsync
[16:27] <Superdweeb> and before that, I had removed it using bum/services.
[16:27] <BUGabundo> anybody else has rsyn running ?
[16:28] <BUGabundo> as a daemon as part of default install?
[16:28] <ikonia> I've not got it on mine, but I've not updated for a while due to working on something
[16:28] <BUGabundo> ubuntu doesn't install ANY daemon as default
[16:28] <BUGabundo> I can't see that happening
[16:28] <Superdweeb> it runs on bootup.
[16:28] <Superdweeb> as a service.
[16:28] <BUGabundo> it can't
[16:28] <BUGabundo> or it shouldn't
[16:28] <Superdweeb> part of ubuntu-standard.
[16:28] <Superdweeb> as installed with the beta.
[16:28] <BUGabundo> it would be a serious bug
[16:28] <Superdweeb> guess we have a fark-up then.
[16:29] <Superdweeb> Notify(SHUTTLEWORTH_COPTER);
[16:29] <amon__> just checked that, it appears in system>administration>services
[16:29] <amon__> but netstat shows nothing
[16:29] <cwillu_clone> rsync is in /etc/rc*/, but the config file should have rsync-disabled set in it
[16:29] <ikonia> amon__: that suggests its either not running or luanched from xinetd
[16:29] <cwillu_clone> RSYNC_ENABLE=false
[16:29] <amon__> also theres no port opened according to nmap
[16:30] <Superdweeb> So we are safe from all those rsync security bugs?
[16:30] <ikonia> amon__: there shouldn't need to be a port opened, the firewall rule by default are open
[16:30] <Superdweeb> whew.
[16:30] <cwillu_clone> Superdweeb, the existence of a file in /etc/rc2.d does not mean that service is started
[16:31] <Superdweeb> well, it shows in the services.
[16:31] <Superdweeb> That's all I know.
[16:31] <Superdweeb> taking up binary space.
[16:31] <ikonia> so it's not running then
[16:31] <ikonia> that makes sense
[16:31] <ikonia> it's about 112k
[16:31] <cwillu_clone> Superdweeb, 'services' is not like windows services, the existence of it in a file in that list still doesn't mean its running
[16:31] <amon__> ps axu | grep rsync does not show anything
[16:32] <Superdweeb> well, that's about as odd as xorg.
[16:32] <ikonia> ?
[16:32] <ikonia> odd as xorg?
[16:32] <Superdweeb> I mean, it's listed as a running service, but it's just a placeholder.
[16:32] <ikonia> there is nothing odd about rsync not running
[16:32] <Superdweeb> Xorg has a lot of weird hacks to make it work right.
[16:32] <ikonia> Superdweeb: it's not a place holder - it's installed but not enabled
[16:32] <ikonia> Superdweeb: no it's not
[16:32] <ikonia> Superdweeb: it's very modular for that version reason
[16:32] <Superdweeb> Then the check-box should not be checked, right?
[16:32] <cwillu_clone> Superdweeb, bum is not part of ubuntu's standard install (or even the main repo) for a reason :p
[16:32] <Superdweeb> I'm not arguing with the concensus.
[16:32] <BUGabundo> Superdweeb: calm down!
[16:33] <amon__> but why does services show it and its checked?
[16:33] <BUGabundo> we are getting OT
[16:33] <Superdweeb> exactly.
[16:33] <Superdweeb> that is confusing to end-users.
[16:33] <Superdweeb> I should file on launchpad.
[16:33] <BUGabundo> its already clear that its not running in jaunty
[16:33] <cwillu_clone> amon__, because bum isn't an ubuntu config utility, it doesn't understand how debian has packages set up
[16:33] <BUGabundo> so forget it
[16:34] <Superdweeb> cwillu_clone, he is _not_ talking about bum. He ran system>administration>services, and the last entry shown is a checked box for rsync.
[16:34] <amon__> is bum the services settings thing?
[16:34] <cwillu_clone> debian and ubuntu don't uninstall files from /etc/init.d|rc*.d on removal for instance, all of those scripts actually check the package config files to see if they should launch
[16:34] <amon__> i dont have bum installed
[16:34] <cwillu_clone> somebody was talking about bum
[16:35] <amon__> no i talked about system>administration>services
[16:35] <Superdweeb> I mentioned that both bum and services show it, I use both of them in tweaking my system.
[16:36] <Superdweeb> where should I go for kernel questions?
[16:36] <Superdweeb> I want a command to list the modules currently loaded into my kernel.
[16:36] <ikonia> lsmod
[16:36] <Superdweeb> thank you very awesome much!
[16:37] <amon__> and it shows rsync and it is checked, but it is not really running i guess, ps axu | grep rsync shows nothing also there are no open ports, i just cant understand why services shows it checked then
[16:37] <ikonia> amon__: 1.) you don't need an open port - ubuntus firewall is already open 2.) check if it's launched from inet/xinetd
[16:37] <Superdweeb> hmm, seems pretty clean.
[16:37] <Superdweeb> no bluetooth support crap.
[16:38] <cwillu_clone> amon__, Superdweeb, most packages (99%) have config files which their startup scripts check.  bum and so forth don't know how to read that
[16:38] <black9ice> any ideas why when running WoW in wine or cedega, it has a hard time grabbing full screen in opengl or directx modes?  I am maybe thinking it is a nvidia driver issue or the gnome/xserv (newer versions) doing it...  What happens is the Gnome panels stick on the screen but dont work....grrr
[16:38] <cwillu_clone> amon__, basically, pretend that services isn't in the admin menu :p
[16:38] <FoolsRun> Hi, can someone point me to an explanation for the removal of the update notifier in Jaunty? Just so I can understand it better?
[16:38] <amon__> and superdweeb: if you strip down your ubuntu, you will experience strange behaviour, i suggest using debian minimal and building it up instead of destroying ubuntu
[16:38] <Superdweeb> amon_ is right, I'm going to file a bug report stating that the services utility does not clearly show that the rsync package installed is not running.
[16:39] <Superdweeb> Amon, I've been using ubuntu since 4.10.
[16:39] <Superdweeb> I've beta tested since 6.04.
[16:39] <amon__> Superdweeb, i will subscribe to your bug, please send me a link then
[16:39] <BUGabundo> Superdweeb: since jaunty most mod are now kernel built in! so there aint much to remove or blacklist
[16:40] <Superdweeb> BUGabundo, thats what I'm worried about.
[16:40] <BUGabundo> black9ice: are you running compiz?
[16:40] <Superdweeb> unnecessary code cluttering up my weak old pentium 3 strapped to a pentium 4 bridge  processor.
[16:40] <cwillu_clone> Superdweeb, um
[16:41] <Superdweeb> I even risk concurrency=shell.
[16:41] <cwillu_clone> Superdweeb, modules loaded that aren't doing anything won't affect that at all
[16:41] <Superdweeb> don't confuse me here.
[16:41] <Superdweeb> I asked for modules listing command, I don't see any unnessesary modules loaded.
[16:41] <Superdweeb> BUGabundo stated that lots of code got built in.
[16:41] <Superdweeb> That's different than modularized drivers and extentions.
[16:41] <cwillu_clone> i.e., you can configure a kernel with hundreds of megs of unnecessary drivers compiled in, and it'll have nearly no effect on the running system
[16:42] <Superdweeb> it will?
[16:42] <BUGabundo> at least colin proved so
[16:42] <BUGabundo> brb
[16:42] <Superdweeb> if, we safely assume, the kernel automatically skips the sections it's not using..
I dont think I was, I will have to check when I get back home....  Default install, drivers, updates, cedega, WoW install is all that I did touched
[16:42] <Superdweeb> it uses at least one clock cycle skipping each one.
[16:42] <cwillu_clone> Superdweeb, no, no it doesn't
[16:43] <Superdweeb> Because that's at minimum one instruction to pass over the code region for the non-used driver.
[16:43] <cwillu_clone> Superdweeb, hardware detection is based on enumerating the system, not enumerating the drivers
[16:43] <Superdweeb> you bug me, but I'm going to keep my april fools cool and DROP the topic.
[16:43] <cwillu_clone> Superdweeb, that's how things worked back in the 2.4 days
[16:45] <cwillu_clone> seriously though, it doesn't work by 'skipping over' each individual driver, it works by enumerating the hardware bus and jumping directly to the right driver.  You could argue that keeping more compiled-in drivers in memory is wasteful, but that has no bearing on the processor involved (not even cache sizes, because the unused code will never enter the cache in the first place)
 Icould just run it in windowed mode, but that just kills the zoning out factor of playing a simplistic game such as WoW  ;)
[16:50] <cwillu_clone> black9ice, check the config options in wine-cfg, and you could probably use a compiz window-rule to force it
[16:51] <cwillu_clone> BUGabundo, can't find any relevent gconf settings for notify-osd :p
[16:51] <BUGabundo> cwillu_clone: I'll look again latter tonigh
[16:51]  * BUGabundo should be doing reports!
[16:52] <Superdweeb> cwillu_clone, you may be a rich little man with 4000 core cpu and unlimited ram, but I still measure my memory, and L2 cache in bytes, and I consider _every_ single instruction that has to pass through my cpu important. In this day, we have considered efficiency to be getting rid of large things, but I pay attention to even little ones.
[16:52] <bsnider> cwillu_clone, i didn't think it had any config options at all
 well I might try Kubuntu, I have always been partial to gnome, but what the heck KDE could be a nice change since it has matured well with the 4 series  lol
[16:52] <cwillu_clone> Superdweeb, I have a 1.6ghz that's 5 years old, and a 1.6ghz laptop that's 4 years old, and that's it
[16:52] <BUGabundo> ehehe
[16:53] <BUGabundo> Superdweeb: he has old pcs
[16:53] <cwillu_clone> Superdweeb, and kernel drivers that aren't in use never get into the processor caches in the first place
[16:53] <Superdweeb> where do they go?
[16:53] <cwillu_clone> they aren't 'skipped over', they aren't enumerated in the first place
[16:53] <Superdweeb> those un-used bits arn't in l-space, they are on my disk or in my ram somewhere.
[16:53] <cwillu_clone> Superdweeb, they stay in main memory at worst, and probably never get loaded off the disk in the first place
[16:54] <Superdweeb> well, I like to run a tight ship.
[16:54] <cwillu_clone> and saving 1mb of disk space is a worthless endeauvour
[16:54] <Superdweeb> worthless?
[16:54] <cwillu_clone> okay, but I'm just saying :p
[16:54] <Superdweeb> worthless?
[16:54] <Superdweeb> remember those dudes that had X running from a bios chip?
[16:54] <cwillu_clone> unless you can make it add up to more than a couple percent of a 15 year old drive
[16:54] <amon__> Superdweeb, for most of us it probably is
[16:54] <Superdweeb> and tinycore linux is in _10_ megabytes.
[16:54] <cwillu_clone> so?
[16:55] <cwillu_clone> if you're running a stock ubuntu kernel, you aren't targetting a 10mb install
[16:55] <Superdweeb> we could probably save about 1 megabyte of space by simply stripping out extra lines in all the man pages installed, since that's a one-byte word every time you press enter.
[16:55] <Kurlon> What inefficencies do you introduce by trying to focus soley on disk footprint?
[16:55] <BUGabundo> back to work! ping me if something funny comes up
[16:55] <cwillu_clone> ugh
[16:55] <cwillu_clone> man pages are compressed
[16:56] <Superdweeb> super dooper.
[16:56] <cwillu_clone> there's less than a bit for each extra linefeed, I _guarentee_ you
[16:56] <Superdweeb> good.
[16:56] <cwillu_clone> yes, _less_ than a bit
[16:56] <Superdweeb> now on to the REAL problem with ubuntu.
[16:56]  * cwillu_clone inhales
[16:56] <Superdweeb> cwillu_clone, resize your panel.
[16:56] <Superdweeb> gnome-panel.
[16:56] <Superdweeb> see those ugly thingies?
[16:57] <cwillu_clone> Superdweeb, better yet, move the panel to the left side, and open more than 7 windows :p
[16:57] <cwillu_clone> that's not ubuntu though, that's a gnome problem
[16:57] <Superdweeb> I like to make my panel totally transparent.
[16:57] <virtuald> i can't move my gnome-panels to the other monitor anymore, i could yesterday or maybe it was the day before
[16:57] <hil> .oO( ...ɹǝdoop ɹǝdns )
[16:57] <amon__> Superdweeb, did you file the rsync bug?
[16:57] <Superdweeb> yep.
[16:57] <cwillu_clone> rsync bug?
[16:57] <dupondje> I'm trying to print from vista to my Ubuntu shared printer, but its a no-go :(
[16:57] <cwillu_clone> it's existence in services isn't an rsync bug
[16:57] <Superdweeb> I'll paste the link soon.
[16:58] <dupondje> can add the printer, but it doesn't print anything
[16:58] <amon__> sorry, i know its not a bug in rsync
[16:58] <Superdweeb> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rsync/+bug/353241
[16:58] <virtuald> i used to right click and click lock panel position or something like that, then unlock, and then move it to the right monitor, but it's not on the menu anymore
[16:59] <cwillu_clone> virtuald, alt-drag
[16:59] <Kurlon> I've got a simplier question I hope... I have yet to have a persistent notifier that a fresh batch of updates are ready... I know part of Jaunty is changing how notifications work so I assume I'm not looking in the right place any more?
[16:59] <virtuald> thank you
[17:00] <cwillu_clone> rsync is commonly used for backups.  You could make the case that most users do backups, I suppose... :p
[17:00] <virtuald> it worked for the upper panel but not the lower one
[17:00] <cwillu_clone> unlock the panel first, I think
[17:00] <cwillu_clone> and it has to be on a section of the panel without any applets
[17:01] <cwillu_clone> Superdweeb, do you mean the horizontal lines running across the panel when you resize it?
[17:01] <Superdweeb> haha. no.
[17:01] <Superdweeb> the handles.
[17:01] <Superdweeb> they arn't transparent.
[17:01] <Superdweeb> they are _GREY_.
[17:01] <cwillu_clone> oh, heh, might be able to set it via the background colour
[17:02] <Superdweeb> I tried.
[17:02] <cwillu_clone> but I'm not sure why you'd want the cpu load required to mask off applets if you're running on a pII :p
[17:02]  * cwillu_clone jabs Superdweeb with a stick :p
[17:02] <Superdweeb> I also tried hacking the theme files, but the gtkrc for the only theme I have with pictures is the one that also themes the panel with colors too dark for human eyes.
[17:03] <cwillu_clone> beyond simply turning off the hide buttons, or finding an appropriate gtk theme, I don't know that you can fix that without hacking on gtk's source itself
[17:03] <virtuald> cwillu_clone: ok i closed a few apps and now i could move it, but there's still no way to lock the position
[17:03] <Superdweeb> I've got a pentium 3, yes, but I also have a mobile radeon 7500.
[17:03] <Superdweeb> I can even run compiz :D
[17:03] <virtuald> maybe it was removed because it doesn't work anyway
[17:03] <Superdweeb> Now all I have to worry about is whether plymouth will work with my card.
[17:05] <Le-Chuck_ITA> guys: very urgent: do you know where does the message "in composition" in evolution if I close the main window?
[17:05] <Le-Chuck_ITA> where goes
[17:07] <Superdweeb> it goes bye-bye or if you saved it, it goes to the draft folder.
[17:07] <cwillu_clone> Le-Chuck_ITA, it didn't prompt you to save it?
[17:07] <Le-Chuck_ITA> Superdweeb: I hate programs that look like cool and rock-solid, and then betray you, no it didn't
[17:08] <cwillu_clone> Le-Chuck_ITA, like, a crash?
[17:08] <Le-Chuck_ITA> but I think that I reported this bug some two years ago before switching to thunderbird...
[17:08] <Superdweeb> I never have used evolution.,
[17:08] <Le-Chuck_ITA> no like, I closed the main window :)
[17:08] <cwillu_clone> if it didn't prompt you, I'd suspect you saved it somewhere first
[17:08] <Superdweeb> it's a gnome monster
[17:08] <cwillu_clone> Le-Chuck_ITA, yes, and it'll prompt you if the message is unsaved
[17:08] <Superdweeb> thunderbird is my fav
[17:08] <Le-Chuck_ITA> cwillu_clone: that's what I expected, but there's nothing like my old message around
[17:08] <Le-Chuck_ITA> ls
[17:08] <Superdweeb> prism-gmail is cool too
[17:08] <Le-Chuck_ITA> sorry wrong win :)
[17:08] <Le-Chuck_ITA> Superdweeb: I never used gmail :)
[17:08] <Superdweeb> or prism-yahoomail.
[17:09] <Superdweeb> you can make your own prism apps.
[17:09] <Superdweeb> I've made one for each of my favorite places now.
[17:09] <cwillu_clone> you know, that would be a good workaround for firefox not using seperate processes for pages, and not handling large numbers of open pages very well
[17:10] <Superdweeb> yes if you could write a utility to convert every bookmark I have into prism markers in my internet menu, I would use them.
[17:11] <ActionParsnip> yo yo yo
[17:11] <Superdweeb> yo yo yo.
[17:11] <yow|x2> anyone tell me what the name of the ubuntu bug channel is please?
[17:12] <Superdweeb> do you want the april-fools version or the actual channel?
[17:12] <yow|x2> both :)
[17:12] <Superdweeb> I recommend lauchpad.net for any real bugs though.
[17:12] <Superdweeb> launchpad.net
[17:12] <yow|x2> i was talking to someone yesterday about the intel driver so i just wanna rejoin the channel
[17:13] <Superdweeb> Well, first I would go to #hai-ubuntu-i-gotta-bug-but-it's-really-cus-i'ma-stupid-user channel to check in your sanity, then I would go to #ubuntu-bugs to report the bug.
[17:14] <Le-Chuck_ITA> cwillu_clone: what a strange thing: I finished re-writing my message, sent it, and tried with a new one to close the main window; at reopen, it prompted me to recover unfinished messages and reopened both of them
[17:14] <Le-Chuck_ITA> perhaps the first time it had not been completely shut down (you know all those daemons) so it didn't do the startup checks.
[17:14] <yow|x2> i like the first one, but the second one isnt the one i was thinking of (even though it's probably the most logical choice)
[17:19] <BUGabundo> yow|x2: was that me?
[17:20] <yow|x2> yes BUGabundo  i wanted to tell you that i upgraded the video driver for intel on the repo yesterday and ive yet to have a freeze since last night (im afraid to upgrade today though, lol)
[17:22] <cwillu_clone> yow|x2, what kind of freezes?
[17:23] <yow|x2> while in gui, requiring hard reboot
[17:23] <cwillu_clone> any display corruption?
[17:23] <yow|x2> i had major issues before with the intel driver back in hardy, but intrepid fixed it. nope, just a sudden freeze. im not even using compiz
[17:24] <cwillu_clone> yow|x2, random question, are you using ext4?
[17:24] <yow|x2> yes i am
[17:24] <cwillu_clone> yow|x2, it's not intel crashing it
[17:24] <cwillu_clone> known ext4 bug
[17:24] <cwillu_clone> switch to a mainline kernel and the hangs will go away, I'm in the middle of a bisect to figure out what patch is causing it
[17:25] <yow|x2> hmmm, i thought it could be ext4 but it seems to happen with intel associated upgrades. id be happy to test a different kernel though'
[17:25] <cwillu_clone> yow|x2, I was thinking it was intel too, until my desktop (running nvidia) started showing the same problem :)
[17:26] <yow|x2> ah ok. any suggestions on specific kernel version to try?
[17:26] <cwillu_clone> yow|x2, any mainline kernel build will do, any ubuntu kernel won't :p
[17:26] <yow|x2> so id compile from source then?
[17:26] <cwillu_clone> yow|x2, I've got another 5-6 kernel builds until I've got it pinned down, until then there's nothing really more specific to do
[17:26] <cwillu_clone> yow|x2, oh, no, there's a repository with vanilla kernels available
[17:27] <BUGabundo> cwillu_clone: its all those intel 8x5 bugs yow|x2
[17:27] <yow|x2> oh ok, thanks for the info
[17:27] <BUGabundo> stuff like https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/bugs/317457
[17:27] <cwillu_clone> BUGabundo, he's not seeing an intel bug though :p
[17:27] <BUGabundo> no?
[17:27] <cwillu_clone> yow|x2, one sec
[17:27] <BUGabundo> missread the log
[17:27] <BUGabundo> (05:12:44 PM) yow|x2: i was talking to someone yesterday about the intel driver so i just wanna rejoin the channel
[17:28] <BUGabundo> cwillu_clone: I had the same prob yesterday
[17:28] <cwillu_clone> BUGabundo, yes, and I had a hunch that it might have been misdiagnosed :p
[17:28] <BUGabundo> Intel card LOCK
[17:28] <BUGabundo> so you need to hard reboot
[17:28] <BUGabundo> then you need to talk to bryce
[17:28] <BUGabundo> maybe you can help out
[17:28] <BUGabundo> there are many dupes about this
[17:28] <cwillu_clone> sec
[17:29] <BUGabundo> but on my case it was ext3 not 4
[17:29] <yow|x2> ive read up a lot on the intel driver issue in the past and it seemed corrected at intrepid and then it seemed come back as a problem in jaunty. i cant be sure that its not ext4 though either.
[17:30] <cwillu_clone> yow|x2, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelMainlineBuilds
[17:30] <BUGabundo> yow|x2: can you run a daily livecd/usb and see if it freezes ?
[17:30] <cwillu_clone> yow|x2, install one from there, and see if the hangs go away
[17:30] <yow|x2> i didnt have any freezes at all though since installing jaunty up until maybe a few weeks ago so i didnt think it was ext4 unless it was kernel related
[17:30] <BUGabundo> I would test the intel bug 1st
[17:30] <BUGabundo> then ext4
[17:30] <BUGabundo> LOLOLOLOLOL ubottu
[17:31] <BUGabundo> back to work. ping me if you guys need or find something
[17:32] <yow|x2> ty for all the links, ive bookmarked them all, the next time i get any freeze, i'll try those fixes
[17:32] <cwillu_clone> yow|x2, does anything show up in the xorg logs re: the freezes?
[17:32] <yow|x2> i can check, sec
[17:34] <yow|x2> dont see anything strange in /var/log/Xorg.log. anywhere else to check?
[17:34] <cwillu_clone> Xorg.0.log.old
[17:34] <cwillu_clone> (old will be from the last sesion, assuming the last one was the crasher
[17:36] <billybigrigger> http://imagebin.org/43974
[17:36] <billybigrigger> does anyone else have this problem with firefox? i always seem to get some sort of distortion like this, wierd colors, sometimes black
[17:36] <yow|x2> theres some info there but not sure its of use. pastebin?
[17:36] <billybigrigger> and it doesn't matter what sites i visit i think its just a firefox bug, anyone else get this?
[17:36] <thiebaude> billybigrigger: it could be a april fools joke
[17:37] <billybigrigger> no
[17:37] <billybigrigger> if i refresh the page its fine
[17:37] <cwillu_clone> yow|x2, sure
[17:37] <billybigrigger> it happens all the time to me, just today was very noticable, usually its just black
[17:37] <ActionParsnip> billybigrigger: ive seen that, dont sweat it
[17:37] <thiebaude> billybigrigger: this is the first day its happened to me
[17:37] <thiebaude> hi ActionParsnip
[17:38] <billybigrigger> well what is it?
[17:38] <ActionParsnip> hi thiebaude
[17:38] <ActionParsnip> billybigrigger: no idea, see how it is tomorrow
[17:38] <yow|x2> cwillu_clone - http://pastebin.com/m1a0b85f5
[17:39] <yow|x2> thats the end of it, let me know if you need to see more
[17:39] <cwillu_clone> yow|x2, nothing odd there
[17:39] <yow|x2> ok\
[17:40] <yow|x2> im shocked it hasnt frozen yet today, maybe its an april fool's joke
[17:41] <cwillu_clone> yow|x2, http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v2.6.28.9/ and download headers-i386, headers-all, and generic-386, install them, and try it out
[17:41] <cwillu_clone> yow|x2, the ext4 bug is triggered by deletions
[17:41] <yow|x2> by file deletions?
[17:41] <cwillu_clone> log files, version control, updated packages, that sort of thing can all trigger it via the same bug, yes
[17:41] <yow|x2> ah ok
[17:42] <cwillu_clone> my main desktop would be hung every time I came back, because I've got my backups triggering based on desktop inactivity :)
[17:42] <cwillu_clone> yow|x2, actually, don't download from that link, go up one, and pick up 2.6.29
[17:42] <yow|x2> ah right, makes sense
[17:43] <yow|x2> or should i just add the ppa to synaptic?
[17:43] <cwillu_clone> you could, you still have to select those packages one way or another though
[17:43] <yow|x2> ok
[17:43] <cwillu_clone> probably best to just download the particular packages so that you don't have confusion at some point
[17:43] <yow|x2> right
[17:44]  * cwillu_clone reboots, and prepares for another git bisect good/bad
[17:44] <yow|x2> do i need the headers all pkg though if im getting headers-i386?
[17:45] <cwillu_clone> yes
[17:45] <yow|x2> ok, will do
[17:45] <cwillu_clone> headers-i386, headers-all and the image
[17:46] <thiebaude> anyone have a link to the 2.6.29 kernal?
[17:46] <cwillu_clone> thiebaude, I just linked the site
[17:46] <cwillu_clone> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/
[17:46] <thiebaude> ok, thanks
[17:48] <yow|x2> installing now cwillu_clone, i'll let you know how it works out
[17:48] <cwillu_clone> k
[17:48] <thiebaude> i also installed the one from the above link too
[17:48] <thiebaude> i hope i can get into x
[17:50] <cwillu_clone> thiebaude, if you install nvidia et al normally, dkms should take care of the modules (works fine here at least)
[17:51] <ActionParsnip> thiebaude: part of the post install is dkms compile
[17:51] <thiebaude> my problem is the i815
[17:52] <cwillu_clone> thiebaude, I don't claim that it fixes all intel problems, I just think it'll fix yow|x2, based on his description
[17:52] <cwillu_clone> hard lock, nothing suspicious in xorg.0.log, nothing in any of the logs to speak of
[17:52] <thiebaude> i'll reboot, thanks
[17:52] <cwillu_clone> on an ext4 system
[17:53]  * cwillu_clone just realized that he has a good vps available, and so he should compile his kernels there rather than messing around on his 4 year old laptop
[17:53] <coz_> hey guys.. just reloded synaptic and got " the pacakge cache file is corrupted.._cache->open() failed, please report
[17:53] <coz_> however from terminal a  dist-upgrade worked fine
[17:53] <cwillu_clone> coz_, sudo aptitude update do anything?
[17:54] <BUGabundo> coz_: I get that many times a day
[17:54] <BUGabundo> I just ignore it
[17:54] <BUGabundo> until I get bad db lists
[17:54] <coz_> cwillu_clone, yeah that works
[17:54] <BUGabundo> then I change mirrors
[17:54] <coz_> ah
[17:54] <coz_> mm
[17:54] <coz_> BUGabundo,  but synaptic closes after closing the error popup
[17:54] <BUGabundo> really?
[17:54] <BUGabundo> that's a first
[17:55] <cwillu_clone> coz_, move /var/cache/apt/pkgcache.bin and srcpkgcache.bin and update again
[17:55] <BUGabundo> I don't use synaptic that much
[17:55] <cwillu_clone> coz_, (move, don't delete)
[17:55] <BUGabundo> just UM and apt
[17:55] <coz_> cwillu_clone, ok
[17:55] <cwillu_clone> BUGabundo, update-manager uses synaptic though
[17:55] <cwillu_clone> or rather, update-manager is a feature of synaptic
[17:56] <cwillu_clone> synaptic --upgrade-mode
[17:56] <benste> how can I install fwlan module in jaunty?
[17:56] <cwillu_clone> actually, that may be a lie, but it does use synaptic :p
[17:57] <BUGabundo> cwillu_clone: UM uses APT and DPKG
[17:57] <ActionParsnip> benste: compile or find a repo with it on
[17:57] <crdlb> cwillu_clone: eh? update-manager a frontend for update-manager-core written in pygtk
[17:57] <BUGabundo> crdlb: eheh
[17:57] <cwillu_clone> crdlb, BUGabundo, I just said I lied
[17:57] <yow|x2> ok, rebooting now to test, brb
[17:57] <myk_robinson> lunie2ns-linux: you awake yet? How did the secondlife deal turn out?
[17:58] <cwillu_clone> and you expect me not to be lying on my very next statement? :p
[17:58] <myk_robinson> looks as though your wifi is still working, so that's good
[17:58]  * cwillu_clone was confusing um with software-sources
[17:58]  * BUGabundo doesn't get cwillu_clone april fools jokes
[17:58] <benste> ActionParsnip: the problem is that compiling it from source results in a disaster
[17:58] <cwillu_clone> I know, filing bugs on the release notes page, telling people their intel bugs are really ext4 bugs
[17:59] <cwillu_clone> I'm hilarious, aren't I?
[17:59] <benste> ActionParsnip, but I've got an idea now, first I have to disable the flash drive function of the wifi stic :-)
[17:59] <ActionParsnip> benste: sounds like a plan
[17:59] <coz_> cwillu_clone,  same error
[17:59] <BUGabundo> cwillu_clone: if I were you , I would talk to bryce
[17:59] <BUGabundo> either he doesn't know
[17:59] <BUGabundo> or you are confunding stuff
[17:59] <cwillu_clone> BUGabundo, I want to establish that yow's problem was ext4 or not
[18:00] <BUGabundo> I had ext3
[18:00] <cwillu_clone> BUGabundo, but there _is_ an ext4 with the symptoms yow was describing
[18:00] <cwillu_clone> there is also intel instability
[18:00] <BUGabundo> got the exact sabe behauvior from LiveCD
[18:00] <BUGabundo> s/sabe/same/
[18:00] <thiebaude> new kernel didn't work
[18:01] <coz_> cwillu_clone, ` just to carify   http://picpaste.com/screenshot1_1.png
[18:01] <cwillu_clone> thiebaude, that advice was never meant for you :p
[18:01] <cwillu_clone> coz_, did you move those two files?
[18:01] <thiebaude> :)
[18:01] <coz_> cwillu_clone,  yes I did
[18:02] <thiebaude> any advice on how to get x started
[18:02] <BUGabundo> coz_: it's the same I get
[18:02] <coz_> cwillu_clone, `updates work fine via terminal  but synaptic . and only after the last updates,,isnt working
[18:03]  * cwillu_clone pokes yow|x2 with a stick
[18:03] <benste> is /etc/udev/rules.d also vaild for jaunty?
[18:03] <coz_> cwillu_clone, should I return those files?
[18:03] <cwillu_clone> coz_, you can, should't matter too much though  (you closed and reopened synaptic if it was open, right?)
[18:04] <coz_> cwillu_clone,  yes it was closed when I moved the files and then I reopened it
[18:04] <cwillu_clone> k
[18:04] <coz_> I can try again though hold on
[18:04] <cwillu_clone> nah, I wouldn't worry about it
[18:04] <yow|x2> we'll see how it goes cwillu_clone. Also, i forgot to mention, yesterday i would get freezing as soon as the gui would load. I thought it could be network manager even. Anyway, using 2.6.29-020629 now so hopefully that does the trick
[18:04] <coz_> cwillu_clone,  ok
[18:05] <BUGabundo> yow|x2: with all those freezes on ext4 I'm afraid you may already have damaged files
[18:05] <coz_> cwillu_clone,    well gues waht!  after moveing files and reopening synaptic and then closeing synaptic and reoprning once again  I do not have those errors  go figure
[18:06] <coz_> cwillu_clone, so I can remove the previous files I moved correct?
[18:06] <yow|x2> BUGabundo well im not too worried about files on this laptop, all my important files are on my network.
[18:06] <cwillu_clone> coz_, yep, they should already be regenerated
[18:06] <cwillu_clone> coz_, out of curiosity, what are their file sizes?
[18:06] <cwillu_clone> the old ones
[18:07] <coz_> cwillu_clone,  pkgcache.bin = 11.4 megs  and srcpkgcache.bin = 11.4 megs
[18:07] <cwillu_clone> those are the old ones?
[18:07] <coz_> cwillu_clone,  yep
[18:07] <benste> ActionParsnip: my idea didn't work, so I was about to compile the vendors source code for this wifi stick, starting with MAKE in the src directory I get "No Rule for creating /teriber/src" - what's that? is it only a mal translated german TREIBER or is that normal?
[18:07] <cwillu_clone> k, just a hunch that didn't play out
[18:07] <coz_> cwillu_clone,  what was the hunch?
[18:08] <cwillu_clone> benste, you did ./configure already?
[18:08] <cwillu_clone> coz_, more ext4 stuff :p
[18:08] <cwillu_clone> but in this case, it was probably simple corruption
[18:08] <ActionParsnip> benste: not sure, try asking in #ubuntu-de
[18:08] <yow|x2> i thought ext4 was supposed to be 'stable' in the newer kernel, lol
[18:08] <coz_> cwillu_clone,  ok I will take your word for it   although interesting that   I had to open close and repeat
[18:09] <benste> cwillu_clone: ./configure results in no such file or directory
[18:09] <mrb__> hello
[18:09] <mrb__> need some helo with the new Kubuntu beta
[18:09] <cwillu_clone> benste, no idea then, sorry.  They should have documentation for building it though
[18:10] <benste> cwilliu_clone, they've got only a install.sh in the upper dir
[18:10] <coz_> benste,  isnt there a README file in the src directory?
[18:11] <coz_> benste,  try a   ./install.sh
[18:11] <benste> coz_ in the uppüer dir?
[18:11] <benste> there is no readme in the /src
[18:11] <thiebaude> mrb__: what's  wrong with it
[18:11] <coz_> benste, what application is this
[18:12] <mrb__> thats my first time with the new Package manager and i just installed the new Kubuntu 9.04 Beta and i am trying to insall the restricated extinsion support so i can run MP3 and other formats
[18:12] <mrb__> i cant find it in the new Package manager
[18:12] <benste> coz_ it's a wifi dirver from AVM
[18:12] <coz_> mrb__, did you try   sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras    ?
[18:12] <coz_> benste,   do you have a link for it?
[18:12] <mrb__> not really... i will do it now.. thanks alot
[18:13] <cwillu_clone> !info language-support-en
[18:14] <cwillu_clone> so, why doesn't my vps have that?
[18:14] <mrb__> it didnt work
[18:14] <coz_> mrb__, open the pacakage manager on KDE  and search for ubuntu
[18:15] <coz_> mrb__,  see if the ubuntu-restricted-extras pacakge  is there  also check the repositories to see that they are    enabled  all  of them
[18:15] <benste> coz_ shure: http://www.avm.de/en/frame/frame.php?destination=http%3A%2F%2Fwebgw.avm.de%2Fdownload%2FDownload_en.jsp%3Flang%3Den%26preferlang%3Den%26os%3Dlinux%26product%3DFRITZ!WLAN+USB+Stick%26category%3Dfritzbox
[18:16] <coz_> benste,  ok on the link when you click :download  there is also a link for the "info.txt"  you should read that
[18:17] <benste> coz_ just one mom I'll download the english version, which seems to differ from the german one because I don't have a info.txt :-)
[18:17] <coz_> ooo  ok
[18:18] <coz_> benste,    http://www.avm.de/en/frame/frame.php?destination=http%3A%2F%2Fwebgw.avm.de%2Fdownload%2FDownload_en.jsp%3Flang%3Den%26preferlang%3Den%26os%3Dlinux%26product%3DFRITZ!WLAN+USB+Stick%26category%3Dfritzbox
[18:18] <coz_> nope that didint  work
[18:19] <coz_> yep it did ... sorry
[18:19] <mrb__> coz_ thanks alot it worked and downloading now
[18:19] <benste> coz_ ? what?
[18:19] <coz_> mrb__,  cool
[18:20] <benste> coz I found the info within the download dir :-)
[18:20] <coz_> benste,  cool  just follow that and it should work fine
[18:20] <coz_> benste,  at least the install procedure should work  wether  the driver works  I dont know
[18:21] <benste> coz_ the problem is that the installer isn't working
[18:21] <coz_> benste,  the Liesmich.htl is in german
[18:21] <coz_> benste,   did you follow that?
[18:21] <benste> yes
[18:21] <coz_> mm
[18:21] <benste> it's just about use install.sh if problems compile your self using make in the sub dir
[18:22] <coz_> benste,     I am not sure , at this point, how to direct you
[18:22] <coz_> benste, ok hold on
[18:22] <coz_> benste, did you cd into src and run make  ?
[18:23] <coz_> benste,  the make is failing here
[18:23] <benste> yes
[18:23] <benste> I did
[18:23] <coz_> benste,  then you   need to contact the developer on that then  telling him distribution,  kernel version, etc
[18:25] <benste> this dirver is older than 2 years and was only a short period in which the vendor tried to deliver linux dirver
[18:27]  * cwillu_clone races his vps vs his laptop in... Race To Build 2.6.28-3
[18:28] <coz_> benste,  yeah I would still try to contact them
[18:29] <bsnider> benste, there are lots of usb dongles that will work out of the box
[18:29] <benste> coz_ : I'll try the windows version with ndiswrapper and come bakc with a WPA2 problem:-)
[18:30] <coz_> benste,  ok that is another option but dont let  contacting these people slip   they might be able to help
[18:30] <benste> bsnider - I now that was my problem at the weekend I've had a linksys one which worked out of the box like my intel chipset in my Vaio
[18:30] <benste> coz_ ok, I'll give it a try
[18:30] <benste> thanks
[18:31] <coz_> benste,  no problem hope it works out for you :)
[18:32] <m0u5e> OH GOD RELEASE HAS BEEN DELAYED TO AUGUST
[18:32] <bsnider> yeah,, only 2 months before koala
[18:32] <m0u5e> haha
[18:32] <ActionParsnip> yep, the beta is still available
[18:33] <m0u5e> you know what would really suck
[18:33] <bsnider> it's...it's just shocking
[18:33] <m0u5e> is if that message perisisted until tomorrow
[18:33] <m0u5e> then that would really su ck :/
[18:33] <ActionParsnip> m0u5e: does intrepid not work for you?
[18:33] <m0u5e> but anyways... anyone tested jackalope on a dell mini 9 yet?: )
[18:33] <m0u5e> ActionParsnip, meh, intrepid had some annoying problems.... besides i want my new notification system
[18:34] <m0u5e> and ext4
[18:34] <ActionParsnip> m0u5e: seems like a big change for such a menial feature
[18:34] <cwillu_clone> especially seeing as it can be installed in intrepid :p
[18:34] <ActionParsnip> that too
[18:35] <m0u5e> :/
[18:35] <TuTUXG> then jaunty would be 9.08
[18:35] <TuTUXG> ?
[18:35] <cwillu_clone> yep
[18:35] <ActionParsnip> i run jaunty so i can advise in #ubuntu when new users get issues with it
[18:35] <m0u5e> also intrepid had a weird bug with cheese
[18:35] <m0u5e> dunno if they fixed that... but my cheese stopped working once i hit intrepid
[18:36] <coz_> m0u5e,  i noticed on intrepid in an applicaton when using the open dialog   it would take forever to populate the  opendialog   its stilla little   slow on  jaunty for me anyway
[18:36] <m0u5e> oh. and multiple monitor supports a lot better now
[18:36] <ActionParsnip> i thuink jaunty is a lot smoother
[18:36] <m0u5e> intrepid was a step forward, but jaunty feels much more polished
[18:37] <m0u5e> cant wait till karmic koala
[18:37] <m0u5e> sometimes i wish i could go forward in time, grab like ubuntu 12.04 and then go back to 2001 when ms was releasing Xp
[18:37] <coz_> oh no  karmic koala?  mm how about kinky or kewl
[18:37] <coz_> lol
[18:37] <m0u5e> i recommended to devs that jaunty shouldve been called the jazzy jaybird to fix the freaking sound system :X
[18:38] <ActionParsnip> m0u5e: you may find the MS OS at 2012 isnt too bad either
[18:38] <m0u5e> ActionParsnip, isn'ti t gonna be win7?
[18:38] <m0u5e> win7 is actually quite good from my experience so far
[18:38] <m0u5e> a lot faster
[18:38] <m0u5e> a lot leaner
[18:38] <coz_> well a jackalope is actually a   rabbit infected with the shopepapaloma virus
[18:38] <m0u5e> new paint
[18:38] <ActionParsnip> m0u5e: not sure
[18:38] <m0u5e> coz_,  >_<; i saw that on wikipedia the other day...
[18:38] <m0u5e> ActionParsnip, well win7 is going to be released late 09 or early mid 10 right?
[18:39] <coz_> m0u5e, yeah  its the same virus that gives you planter's warts  lol
[18:39] <ActionParsnip> m0u5e: not sure, i dont read MS news it doesnt interest me as I have only 1 Windows system and its for my work and only work
[18:39] <ActionParsnip> m0u5e: i have zero windows systems or boots as I dot need it
[18:39] <m0u5e> ActionParsnip, i use windows for games :D
[18:40] <ActionParsnip> m0u5e: i dont game outside of frets on fire
[18:40] <m0u5e> ActionParsnip, i dunno linux in general takes up too much of my time and concentration... i keep fiddling with things and trying out different things
[18:40] <ActionParsnip> m0u5e: best way to learn
[18:40] <m0u5e> yeah, but i don't have the time anymore
[18:40] <m0u5e> so it really sucks when im playing with something
[18:41] <m0u5e> and it breaks my system
[18:41] <m0u5e> and ihave a project due in a matter of hours
[18:41] <genii> It's like having a hotrod. you're always tinkering
[18:41] <m0u5e> exactly!
[18:41] <m0u5e> besides... i think of myself as the future userbase for linux
[18:41] <ActionParsnip> m0u5e: have a restore image yuo can easily dd to your disk ;)
[18:41] <m0u5e> if ubuntu is going to become a mainstream OS, its gotta appeal to stupid users
[18:42] <m0u5e> ActionParsnip, i just partition home and / separately... usually if something bad happens i just reinstall ubuntu lol
[18:42] <ActionParsnip> m0u5e: why not have an image of / which you can dd from to / to restore the system rather than reinstall then have to reupdate and reinstall your apps
[18:43] <m0u5e> with what? clonezilla?
[18:43] <ActionParsnip> dd
[18:43] <m0u5e> dd?
[18:43] <m0u5e> sorry, im kinda  newb
[18:43] <ActionParsnip> dd if=/dev/sda2 of=~/backup.iso
[18:44] <ActionParsnip> will create an iso on ~/ of your / partition (assuming /dev/sda2 is your / partition)
[18:44] <m0u5e> wouldn't that take longer than reinstalling ubuntu though?
[18:44] <m0u5e> since an install only takes around 15 minutes
[18:44] <ActionParsnip> you can then EASILY boot to root recovery console or livecd and dd it back if your system goes wrong
[18:44] <m0u5e> i guess...
[18:45] <m0u5e> ill keep that in mind in the future thx :)
[18:45] <ActionParsnip> m0u5e: sure but then how long to update, then configure wifi + video + sound + little settings
[18:45] <m0u5e> does it copy the entire partition?
[18:45] <ActionParsnip> yes
[18:45] <m0u5e> so i need to copy it to a partition larger than my / then?
[18:45] <ActionParsnip> yes
[18:45] <m0u5e> darn :/
[18:47] <m0u5e> ActionParsnip, so dd if=/dev/sda2 etc is if i'm recovering it right?
[18:47] <m0u5e> would backing it up just require i use of instead of if?
[18:47] <m0u5e> h/o brb gotta pick up laundry
[18:48] <genii> if=inputfile of=outputfile
[18:48] <ActionParsnip> m0u5e: sure, just reverse if (input file) and of (output file)
[18:48] <ActionParsnip> genii: snips!
[18:48] <genii> You can also loopmount a dd'd image
[18:52] <ActionParsnip>  i just dont get why folks who play heavily dont have a backup
[18:53] <m0u5e> ActionParsnip,  i didn't know if the dd command :D
[18:54] <ActionParsnip> well consider yourself educated ;)
[19:00] <antoranz> there is a repository to get a vanilla kernel (or almost), right?
[19:01] <antoranz> I have this problem with my intel chipset abd using the kernel from intrepid made it disappear
[19:01] <pepie34> Since I update to Jaunty, i can not connect to gdm via XDMCP
[19:01] <pepie34> i've a Xvnc server that localy connect to gdm via XDMCP
[19:02] <antoranz> I tried compiling a vanilal kernel using jaunty's config but it took too much disk room and I almost don't have any to spare
[19:02] <pepie34> Any idea wher it come from ? my conf files seem unmodified
[19:03] <baldurpet> I think I found an error
[19:03] <baldurpet> but I don't know where I'm supposed to report it
[19:04] <ActionParsnip> !bug
[19:04] <Amaranth> no no
[19:04] <Amaranth> figure out the name of the package the bug is for
[19:04] <Amaranth> then run 'ubuntu-bug <packagename>' in a terminal
[19:04] <baldurpet> well
[19:04] <baldurpet> It's in the installer
[19:05] <baldurpet> but it's not really a bug per se
[19:05] <Amaranth> it'll automatically create a bug report with details usually wanted for that package then you can just fill in the problem you're having
[19:05] <Amaranth> baldurpet: that'd be ubiquity
[19:05] <pepie34> the Xvnc server connection seems ok as i see the X start background and the X cross
[19:05] <Amaranth> !info ubiquity
[19:05] <baldurpet> ubiquity?
[19:05] <baldurpet> not the debian-installer?
[19:06] <m0u5e> mm karmic koala should add a netinstall option
[19:06] <pepie34> !info human
[19:06] <pepie34> :)
[19:06] <m0u5e> like deb
[19:06] <m0u5e> !info vrms
[19:06] <baldurpet> mind if I just tell you the problem, that might help
[19:06] <Amaranth> baldurpet: Was it a LiveCD install or an alternative install?
[19:06] <baldurpet> I'm installing in a virtual machine
[19:06] <baldurpet> using a livd CD
[19:07] <baldurpet> basically, when I'm selecting a location
[19:07] <baldurpet> and select Reykjavík, the small 'x' mark is located somewhere in the Atlatic ocean
[19:07] <baldurpet> and people don't live in the ocean
[19:08] <Amaranth> What about Atlantis?
[19:08] <m0u5e> its rapture
[19:08] <baldurpet> it's not a major issue
[19:08] <Amaranth> But yeah, that's a bug
[19:08] <m0u5e> gg bioshock
[19:08] <Amaranth> And I think people have already reported it but you should check
[19:08] <baldurpet> oh well, Atlantis isn't 10 kilometers of the coast of Iceland
[19:09] <pepie34> rms is a component of the universe :)
[19:10] <baldurpet> Actually the x is in a different timezone than Iceland is
[19:10] <m0u5e> i wonder who wrote vrms
[19:10] <Lint01> how can I add Jaunty repositories to Intrepid?
[19:10] <Amaranth> Lint01: Don't
[19:10] <m0u5e> Lint01, that could cause problems
[19:10] <ActionParsnip> Lint01: you will need to upgrade to jaunty
[19:10] <Amaranth> Lint01: Either upgrade or don't upgrade but do not run a mix of the two
[19:10] <ActionParsnip> Lint01: you will end up with a big mess
[19:11] <m0u5e> oh btw i was upgrading jaunty beta the other day
[19:11] <m0u5e> and it froze while updating
[19:11] <BUGabundo> Lint01: why would you want to do that?
[19:11] <m0u5e> it got stuck on a package called gnome-session-canberra ... does anyone know why?
[19:11] <Lint01> so I have to upgrade *all* OS just for *1* updated package?!
[19:11] <m0u5e> had to hard reboot and everything
[19:12] <BUGabundo> Lint01: no
[19:12] <m0u5e> Lint01, ... lot more than just one upgraded package
[19:12] <BUGabundo> but it may break your system
[19:12] <ActionParsnip> m0u5e: yikes, did it boot ok?
[19:12] <m0u5e> ActionParsnip, had to dpkg --configure -a and reconfigure a few packages manually
[19:12] <Amaranth> Lint01: Unless that one package is ttf-droid it'll probably pull in half the updates anyway
[19:12] <m0u5e> but it seems to be working again
[19:13] <Amaranth> Lint01: Then you end up with a mismatched system that is technically supposed to work as all package dependencies are met but realistically if it breaks you get to keep both pieces
[19:14] <ActionParsnip> m0u5e: thats cool, maybe some power thing turned the hdd off it some dep circle occurred, beta is a weird animal
[19:14] <m0u5e> yea
[19:14] <m0u5e> im just glad it happened on linux
[19:15] <m0u5e> and not vista :/
[19:15] <m0u5e> i should really learn how to use clonezilla
[19:15] <m0u5e> so i can deploy images over the network
[19:15] <m0u5e> would save me so much time and energy
[19:15] <ActionParsnip> yuk @ vista
[19:15] <Lint01> so if I want to upgrade "randomstuff 0.13" from Intrepid to "randomstuff 0.14" from Jaunty I must wait until it's out of its beta stage o_O
[19:15] <ActionParsnip> setup a pxe server ;)
[19:16] <m0u5e> ActionParsnip, well apparently its pretty easy with clonezilla... but yeah i just gotta read up on it
[19:16] <m0u5e> make sure i dont wipe everyone computer which has PXE boot enabled on my university campus on my local network xD
[19:17] <Amaranth> puppet?
[19:17] <m0u5e> haha a bunch of students will be like... wth!? wh.. whats this ubuntu on my laptop....
[19:17] <ActionParsnip> m0u5e: i'd use a usb stick / drive / seperate partition on every install with an image, makes life easier. when you get a new setup 100% nice, make a new image
[19:17] <m0u5e> ActionParsnip, well with clonezilla i can just upload a new image directly to my server
[19:17] <ActionParsnip> m0u5e: that too
[19:18] <m0u5e> and that way i can store a bunch of different images
[19:18] <ActionParsnip> as long as you keep all the drivers and hardware the same
[19:18] <ActionParsnip> especially with vga
[19:18] <m0u5e> yeah
[19:18] <m0u5e> i'd just have to make a new image for each of my computers
[19:18] <m0u5e> but that wouldn't be that bad
[19:19] <m0u5e> it takes me like 3-4 hours to set up a windows computer cause of all the drivers and updates
[19:19] <m0u5e> ubuntu only takes me about 1-2 and i have a workable system in between that time
[19:19] <m0u5e> unlike vista VGA 640x480 mode :/
[19:19] <ActionParsnip> mine takes about 30 mins to dd
[19:20] <ActionParsnip> i have a fileserver which all my systems map home to so all email / favourites / etc are identical
[19:20] <m0u5e> ohhh!
[19:20] <yow|x2> anyone use or mind testing btdownloadcurses ? im getting lots of python related crashes since jaunty. seems to error in reference to threads?
[19:20] <m0u5e> but then you have to be on your network though right... what if you leave your network?
[19:21] <m0u5e> what if you had a laptop... and you went somewhere else and updated your email?
[19:21] <m0u5e> would it autosync back with your network?
[19:21] <ActionParsnip> m0u5e: i have all desktops, not gonna happen
[19:21] <m0u5e> oh :3
[19:21] <m0u5e> yeah... thats one of the annoying problems i have
[19:21] <m0u5e> i use thunderbird, but only on one computer at a time
[19:21] <baldurpet> erm of course the amount of time it takes to install Windows doesn't erally matter
[19:21] <baldurpet> 99.9% of people get Windows preinstalled
[19:22] <m0u5e> OEM installs suck
[19:22] <m0u5e> i dont want all that extra baggage
[19:22] <ActionParsnip> baldurpet: depends if you kow what you want. I self build so have no OS preinstalled
[19:22] <Ienorand> Is it just me or is the forum thing kind of lame, seeing how it was the same thing last year?
[19:23] <Exilant> the kubuntu jaunty beta install is only available as dvd?
[19:24] <m0u5e> really though, i'm surprised ubuntu can still fit on a cd
[19:24] <BluesKaj> or an upgrade over the internet
[19:24] <m0u5e> thats why i think karmic should implement net in stalls
[19:24] <m0u5e> *netinstalls
[19:24] <Amaranth> Exilant: the ubuntu and kubuntu betas were 7MB too large for a CD so they only made DVD images available
[19:24] <Amaranth> m0u5e: netinstall would kill the servers
[19:25] <ActionParsnip> Exilant: http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu
[19:25] <m0u5e> why would it kill the servers? how is it any diferent than people downloading isos
[19:25] <m0u5e> in fact wouldnt it help out, since people would only n eed to download what they actually need
[19:25] <Ienorand> torrent netinstall? Would such a thing  be possible?
[19:25] <m0u5e> maybe make the netinstalls uses bittorrent LOL
[19:25] <m0u5e> yeah!
[19:25] <Amaranth> m0u5e: Because ISOs can be shared by people
[19:26] <Amaranth> and bittorrent is...slow
[19:26] <m0u5e> bittorrent... slow? o_O
[19:26] <Exilant> ah, thanks a lot
[19:26] <jemark> slow?
[19:26] <m0u5e> i get like 4MB/s down on bt for the juanty beta cd
[19:26] <Amaranth> Most packages are only going to have one seeder when you want it: the main server
[19:26] <Exilant> somehow i got lost in the directories
[19:26] <Amaranth> m0u5e: Right, because a single ISO is easier to share
[19:27] <m0u5e> well people only need to download one file once right?
[19:27] <Ienorand> Not itf enough people used it, which if it was used for install/updates would probably be the case
[19:27] <Amaranth> m0u5e: Who wants to keep sharing every package you ever download?
[19:27] <m0u5e> so its like the ISO - unneeded files
[19:27] <BUGabundo> you guys know you can even install updates / packges via torrents?
[19:27] <BUGabundo> deb-torrent
[19:27] <Ienorand> interesting
[19:27] <m0u5e> Amaranth, maybe your right, maybe it would take too much bandwidth
[19:27] <Amaranth> apt-p2p already exists. yes
[19:27] <Amaranth> But it is slow
[19:27] <m0u5e> Amaranth, but maybe we should work toa  solution lol
[19:28] <ActionParsnip> kubuntu 9.04 beta: http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/kubuntu/9.04/
[19:28] <m0u5e> it'd save the servers update bandwidth
[19:28] <BUGabundo> Amaranth: its not slow!
[19:28] <m0u5e> since netinstalls would install the latest updates
[19:28] <BUGabundo> its only slow if your ISP shappes your connection
[19:28] <m0u5e> so the users wouldnt need to install updates
[19:28] <BUGabundo> or you don't open the required ports on the router
[19:29] <BUGabundo> m0u5e: on jaunty you have updates every 5 mins
[19:29] <Amaranth> m0u5e: But an ISO can be shared by many people
[19:29] <m0u5e> well not net installs for betas
[19:29] <m0u5e> once its gone gold
[19:30] <m0u5e> Amaranth, in what way can an iso be shared by man people? like physically? or like bittorrent
[19:30] <Amaranth> physically
[19:30] <Amaranth> Every ISO I burn gets used by 3 computers, at least
[19:30] <m0u5e> they dont have to stop providing isos
[19:30] <m0u5e> they can still keep that option
[19:31] <m0u5e> i'm not saying one or the otehr
[19:31] <Amaranth> m0u5e: In that case you can already do netinstall
[19:31] <Ienorand> If torrent were to be used it should be seamlessly parallel to the normal download, and very restrictive so as to only use idle bandwidth...
[19:31] <BUGabundo> go to go
[19:31] <m0u5e> Amaranth, netinstalls like how they work in debian?
[19:31] <Amaranth> m0u5e: yep
[19:31] <m0u5e> Amaranth, besides using daily builds? :X
[19:32] <ActionParsnip> m0u5e: just downloads the debs from the repos instead of a snapshot iso then needing an upgrade once installed
[19:32] <m0u5e> ActionParsnip, how would i do that?
[19:32] <Amaranth> m0u5e: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/jaunty/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/
[19:32] <Amaranth> m0u5e: mini.iso
[19:33] <ActionParsnip> m0u5e: get the minimal iso (~10Mb) and install that way
[19:33] <m0u5e> Amaranth, oh cool O_O;
[19:33] <Halow> I've never gotten the miniCD to work wireless, or I'd never use much else.
[19:33] <m0u5e> haha i didnt even know this existed, thanks
[19:33] <ActionParsnip> Halow: use wired til you get installed
[19:34] <ActionParsnip> Halow: or use wifi that works out of the box
[19:34] <Halow> Hafta lug my clunky desktop across the house. But that's an idea.
[19:34] <ActionParsnip> Halow: then cd install for you, or buy better wifi cards
[19:35] <Halow> Probably. ;)
[19:37] <ActionParsnip> my Netgear WG311T works out of the box (Atheros AR5001X+ Wireless Network Adapter) it's all i buy for PCI wifi
[19:41] <cwillu_clone> yow|x2, ping
[19:44] <giaco> I've just upgraded to 9.04! Everything works great but my xorg is eating a lot of cpu power, even w/o firefox opened (actually just with just xchat it eats 12% of my core due T7300). I'd like to ask you if this is a known issue and/or it has a specific name or something! Maybe I can support with my test case :-) thanks
[19:46] <nemo> giaco: I don't use xchat (irssi ftw) but I had some issues personally with SDL and Qt and pulseaudio and CPU usage
[19:46] <nemo> giaco: have you considered running calgrind against xchat?
[19:46] <crdlb> giaco: video driver? there have been some regressions in the intel driver
[19:48] <giaco> crdlb, yes, I'm using intel drivers
[19:48] <crdlb> you could try Option "AccelMethod" "UXA"
[19:48] <giaco> nemo, can you expand it a bit? I've never used calgrind
[19:49] <crdlb> it's the new hotness for intel, but of course it may be unstable :)
[19:49] <nemo> giaco: install valgrind - it should be included
[19:49] <giaco> crdlb, I like it hot :-)
[19:50] <kevin_zhong> how can i Update 8.10 to 9.04?
[19:50] <jemark> kevin_zhong: i will search it for u
[19:50] <kevin_zhong> ty
[19:50] <nemo> giaco: valgrind --tool=callgrind -v
[19:50] <giaco> nemo, thank you
[19:51] <cetanhota> kevin_zhong, if I were you I would wait for the final release. Unless the system you are using is a test system
[19:51] <nemo> adding --log-file might be a good idea too
[19:51] <giaco> now pidgin burns 100% of the cpu
[19:51] <kevin_zhong> cetanhota: ty 4 the advice
[19:51] <jemark> kevin_zhong: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/upgrade-ubuntu-810-intrepid-ibex-to-ubuntu-904-jaunty-jackalope-beta.html
[19:51] <kevin_zhong> jemark: tyvm
[19:52] <jemark> kevin_zhong: you're welcome
[19:52] <nemo> giaco: try killing off pulseaudio? mine behaved badly?
[19:53] <kevin_zhong> could it be possible that a driver that doesn't work now, my graphics card, could work with 9.04?
[19:54] <giaco> nemo, I've killed it but now valgrind is killing my cpu, I can't understand the effect of pulseaudio now
[19:54] <un2him> why can't i resume from suspend when i have proprietary nvidia driver installed?
[19:54] <jemark> kevin_zhong: i have no idea
[19:54] <kevin_zhong> hmm, kk, because this computer is 4-5 years old, my graphics suck right now :D
[19:55] <cetanhota> kevin_zhong, what graphics card?
[19:55] <kevin_zhong> im forcing the pc to run in "low graphics mode"
[19:55] <kevin_zhong> hmm, nvidia geforce 4 mx
[19:56] <giaco> nemo, my valgrind is creating many callgrind.*.out files, I don't know how to read them, could you take a look on one?
[19:56] <cetanhota> Kevin_Zhong, have you tried to tell X to use you nv driver?
[19:56] <benste1> how can I get debug infos for network manager cause it woun't connect to WPA2-PSK
[19:57] <mbeierl> anyone else having problems getting core dump files (crash) for apport?
[19:57] <kevin_zhong> i don't think so
[19:57] <mbeierl> I am trying to report problems with Evolution and exchange but despite the (core dumped) message, there  is no core, nor .crash file anywhere
[19:58] <cetanhota> Kevin_zhong, before you go and try to upgrade you system you should try to get it working with you current hardware. I see no reason why the nvidia card would be forcing you into low graphics mode. 1 sec let me see if I can find you a url for setting up you xorg.conf to use the nv driver.
[19:58] <nemo> giaco: sure. that's the point
[19:58] <nemo> giaco: and, yes. valgrind is slow...
[19:58] <nemo> but. the output is what you are interested in. not its performance
[19:59] <kevin_zhong> cetanhota: its not forcing me, i manually did it because i couldn't get 1028x764 with any drivers for it
[19:59] <nemo> giaco: I would be sure to run it for a little while of course, to ensure the data is most informative
[19:59] <nemo> giaco: ideally, run it for a minute, then exit the app normally
[19:59] <funkyHat> What's this private bug reports thing all about?
[19:59] <cetanhota> kevin_zhong, you should be able to with that card. do you know what driver X is trying to use?
[20:00] <kevin_zhong> give me a sec
[20:01] <giaco> nemo, done it. don'those know how to read those files
[20:01] <kevin_zhong> 96.43.09-0ubuntu1.1
[20:01] <kevin_zhong> I also tried 71.86.04-0ubuntu10  but that didn't work either
[20:01] <nemo> giaco: pastebin 'em. can look, sure
[20:02] <cetanhota> kevin_zhong, check out this link http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=788765, also do a google search on manually changing you xorg.conf
[20:03] <kevin_zhong> Ok, thanks
[20:04] <giaco> nemo, it's too large for pastebin & pastie, do you know an alternative service?
[20:04] <cetanhota> kevin_zhong, my guess is that your X windows is using a driver that will not work correctly with your video card. The default vesa driver should give you 1024x768, and the nv driver should give you even more res options.
[20:04] <kevin_zhong> hmm
[20:04] <nemo> giaco: host it on a free hosting service like google pages, or run a local webserver like a good linux person :)
[20:04] <benste1> what can I do if nm-applet woun't connect a wireless USB with WPA2PSK but with open authentication?
[20:06] <giaco> nemo, I'd use the second option if you'd have an ipv6 connection cause I don't have a public ip
[20:06] <giaco> I'll go for the first one
[20:06] <baldurpet> nemo = nobody
[20:06] <nemo> giaco: hm. my ISP might route ipv6, dunno. but surely you must have some internet-facing IP address
[20:06] <Alexia_Death> baldurpet: nemo = nameless  afaic:P
[20:07] <nemo> giaco: 93-35-228-153.ip57.fastwebnet.it isn't accessible on any port?
[20:07] <giaco> btw, I think I've found my bugpage https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/238629
[20:07] <giaco> nemo, no, that's my gateway, I'm under NAT
[20:07] <nemo> Alexia_Death: Anonymous ;)
[20:07] <nemo> giaco: sure. but you can't do a port forward on the gateway?
[20:07] <nemo> giaco: my gentoo box is my gateway :)
[20:07] <nemo> but. you know. your router, whatever.
[20:08] <Alexia_Death> is knetworkmanager working for anybody
[20:08] <giaco> nemo, my ISP gateway, not home gateway, it's miles away from here, and surely not accessible
[20:08] <nemo> giaco: oh. that's an odd layout.
[20:08] <giaco> I could sneak into for a port forwarding, but not my cup of tea :-)
[20:08] <nemo> giaco: I know of someone else from italy, and his ISP has a normal layout, where each customer gets a temp IP
[20:09] <nemo> giaco: the layout you're suggesting is pretty abnormal.
[20:09] <benste1> no one here who can help me with my WPA2 / nm / ndiswrapper problem?
[20:09] <nemo> benste1: I didn't quite understand it frankly :)
[20:10] <nemo> WPA2PSK doesn't work, open does?
[20:10] <benste1> nemo yes
[20:11] <nemo> ah. yeeeah. dunno then. WFM.
[20:11] <nemo> benste1: looked in dmesg and other common places for logs?
[20:11] <giaco> nemo, trust me, I could have a temporary id for 10 buck/hour, not for this case. The fastweb strategy is not so uncommon / abnormal
[20:11] <nemo> benste1: ~/.xsession-errors, system log files...
[20:11] <nemo> giaco: dear god. that's larcenous
[20:11] <benste1> nemo why X session, and what's the command for the first one?
[20:12] <nemo> benste1: that's STDERR for stuff run by x session, which seemed like a good place to look if nm-applet was whining
[20:12] <nemo> benste1: dmesg   is the command to dump device log...
[20:12] <nemo> benste1: and the others are under /var/log
[20:12] <giaco> nemo, I'm uploading
[20:13] <nemo> giaco: I pay $50/mo for broadband, and my dynamic IP hasn't changed in 2 years
[20:13] <benste1> nemo: there is something in dmesg
[20:13] <nemo> giaco: your ISP is evil :(
[20:14] <giaco> nemo, on the other hand there are some advantages
[20:14] <benste1> nemo: http://paste.ubuntu.com/142259/
[20:15] <benste1> nemo: line 14 seems like a problem or?
[20:16] <nemo> benste1: that seems familiar to me
[20:16] <giaco> http://www.cappelliniintagli.com/other/callgrind
[20:16] <benste1> nemo: should I post the other logs?
[20:16]  * giaco is restarting X
[20:16] <nemo> benste1: there are some mappings for certain keys that are specific to laptop models - I doubt it is the source of your problem though
[20:16] <darthanubis>  Despite the hard work from hundreds of dedicated contributors, a single name has stood out this cycle: Daniel T Chen (crimsun on Launchpad), for several reasons. Daniel is a key contributor to Pulseaudio (and the rest of the audio stack) in Ubuntu.
[20:16] <darthanubis> I hope the rest of the community will join me in saying Thank you Dan!!
[20:17] <hggdh> +1, certainly
[20:17] <darthanubis> This echoes what I said three days ago
[20:17] <darthanubis> http://bobbo.me.uk/index.php/meme-jaunty-rockstar-daniel-t-chen/
[20:17] <nemo> darthanubis: so he's the one making pulseaudio break less? applause then. :)
[20:17] <darthanubis> :)
[20:18] <Halow> He's surely made my pulseaudio experience a happier one. :)
[20:18] <darthanubis> Not only that, he has helped , and has been helping me for at least two years now. Never rude or condescending, always helpful.
[20:18] <darthanubis> I cannn't say enough good things about crimsun
[20:18] <darthanubis> peace
[20:20] <benste1> nemo: the wpasupplicant log: http://paste.ubuntu.com/142273/
[20:20] <giaco> I'm under UXA acceleration method but xorg is still eating the processing power
[20:21] <benste1> nemo do you see something what could prpaply cause problems
[20:21] <giaco> 92% on firefox on facebook
[20:21] <nemo> giaco: kcachegrind
[20:21] <nemo> giaco: nothing is jumping out at me by sight
[20:21] <SwedeMike> giaco: if you disable UXA you'll get EXA nowadays, gives me better glxgears performance anyway.
[20:22] <nemo> benste1: question, since you said wpasupplicant (I didn't realise network manager used that)
[20:22] <nemo> benste1: are you, by any chance, using ' or " or ;  in your key name?
[20:22] <nemo> or similar other odd characters
[20:22] <benste1> no
[20:22] <benste1> key only has numbers and two DOTs
[20:22] <giaco> SwedeMike, I was under EXA, I've just changed into UXA to avoid xorg burning my cpu
[20:23] <nemo> benste1: might be driver level then - I know I had a pain in the ass problem with driver for my card and wpa2
[20:23] <benste1> and what can I do now? is there any special config needed for use with ndiswrapper?
[20:23] <nemo> benste1: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG
[20:23] <nemo> (my card)
[20:23] <nemo> benste1: oh. you're using ndiswrapper too???
[20:23] <benste1> yes
[20:23] <nemo> benste1: is that seriously needed for any card nowdays?
[20:23] <nemo> what's your card?
[20:24] <darthanubis> http://drowninginbugs.blogspot.com/2009/04/further-down-rabbit-hole.html
[20:24] <darthanubis> That had to sting.
[20:24] <benste1> nemo: the most problem causing stick ever :-) AVM USB wireless stick, in my laptop I use a intel chipset too which works fine
[20:25] <nemo> ugh
[20:25] <nemo> benste1: sorry. totally out of my familiarity
[20:25] <benste1> JAUNTY RELEASE HAS BEEN DELAYED TO AUGUST DUE TO PROBLEMS --> IS this only an aprily fool?
[20:25] <nemo> benste1: I guess you could try googling for some strings from this output :-/
[20:25] <benste1> Already did :-)
[20:25] <benste1> and already on IRC since hours :-9
[20:25] <bobbo> benste1: yeah its April fools, they do the same every year :D
[20:25] <benste1> lol
[20:26] <nemo> benste1: you know, since it is usb, and wireless, why on earth didn't you check for linux support *before* buying it? :-p
[20:27] <giaco> nemo, kcachegrind shows that most of the calls have been for the libgtk, should I get something new from this info?
[20:27] <benste1> nemo I didn't buy it, it's borrowed from the company of my father, I prefer to use a linksys stick for my brother which works out of the box
[20:28] <nemo> giaco: anything jumping out in terms of dramatically high call number?
[20:28] <nemo> giaco: or CPU time?
[20:28] <benste1> nemo, do you know someone here on IRC whos familar with ndiswrapper?
[20:28] <nemo> nope
[20:29] <benste1> or is there a channel?
[20:29] <nemo> benste1: could try ##linux maybe
[20:29] <darthanubis> ppl still use ndiswrapper?
[20:29] <nemo> or /msg alis list *ndis* or something
[20:29] <nemo> darthanubis: that's what I thought :)
[20:30] <tomsdale> ah blast - my kwin session just crashed again - screen dead and full of artefacts. Are there many people on kubuntu with stability problems? I have the NVidia nonfree driver.
[20:31] <noren> tomsdale: my kde is working fine
[20:31] <giaco> nemo, can't see anything in particular
[20:32] <giaco> nemo, libgobject seems a bit hungry+
[20:32] <zhurai> question: when Jaunty becomes RC, how much support'll be given? o_o
[20:32] <zhurai> * will it be...
[20:32] <tomsdale> noren: are you using Compositing? For me it happens around once a day.
[20:33] <nemo> giaco: yeah. runs like this are hard to interpret without a normal run to compare against :-/
[20:33] <noren> no i m not using
[20:34] <zhurai> uhhh...
[20:34] <nemo> giaco: if all your apps are behaving badly, try some other runs?
[20:34] <nemo> look for patterns?
[20:37] <weboide> is there a way I can remove the fading effect when changing wallpaper because without compiz it's a bit laggy ?
[20:41] <BluesKaj> check out ubuntu forums ...gawd-eeeeeeeeeee
[20:41] <cwillu> zhurai, you should just be waiting for the actual release
[20:42] <weboide> thanks BluesKaj
[20:42] <BluesKaj> weboide , for ?  that was jus a comment not an answer
[20:43] <weboide> BluesKaj: well I think I found an answer to my question there :p
[20:43] <BluesKaj> good :)
[20:44] <panos> I am trying to install python-qwt4 in jaunty, and get the following message:  python-qwt4: Depends: python (< 2.6) but 2.6.1-0ubuntu9 is to be installed
[20:46] <mbeierl> anyone having problems getting PPTP to work in jaunty?  same config as in Intrepid, but cannot get connection in Jaunty.
[20:48] <tomsdale> panos: tried aptitude? seems better with dependencies.
[20:48] <Halow> panos: Why not install python-qwt5 and it's parts?
[20:48] <francisco_t> somebody with kubuntu jaunty to confirm a problem?
[20:49] <panos> Halow, I am trying t use some specialized software that depends on that
[20:49] <tomsdale> francisco_t: go ahead
[20:50] <jtheuer> Hi, how can it be start kdm starts into the failsave mode, but 'startx' works? Do they use different config files?
[20:50] <Halow> Ohh... Downgrade to python2.5?
[20:50] <francisco_t> with krunner (alt-F2) insert 'power profile' and I can't see the profiles from powerdevil
[20:51] <panos> tomsdale, same with aptitude. unresolvable dependency
[20:52] <tomsdale> francisco_t: I can - gives me the profiles and I can switch them as well.
[20:52] <francisco_t> ok, thanks tomsdale
[20:53] <panos> Halow, I have done that. In particular, I changed the symplin in /usr/bin to point to python2.4 and also changed the  /usr/share/python/debian_defaults
[20:58] <capiira> will the gdm stay that ugly ?
[20:58] <cwillu> capiira, I hope so
[20:58]  * cwillu huggles the dark theme
[20:58] <capiira> looks so cheap
[20:58] <cwillu> capiira, all the old themes are still selectable
[20:59] <Ienorand> capiira: Think so, some people seem to like it *shudders*
[20:59] <capiira> heh
[20:59] <capiira> i find the old one looks more professional
[21:00] <cwillu> not a huge fan of the 3d logo, but I prefer the overall look
[21:00] <Ienorand> I think it looks very much "ZOMG darkthem yay!!!!1!1"
[21:00] <capiira> i like dark too dust is nice
[21:00]  * cwillu celebrates
[21:00] <Ienorand> In a negative way
[21:01] <capiira> but gdm looks chep :D
[21:01]  * cwillu celebrates anyway
[21:01] <capiira> chep
[21:01] <capiira> ahh
[21:01] <capiira> +a
[21:01] <joneskoo> 9.04 boots really fast compared to previous. me likes
[21:01] <cwillu> jonathaN, try rebooting :)
[21:01] <cwillu> (we use kexec now, so it skips the bios) :)
[21:02] <Ienorand> Problem is... The old GDM theme is *not* selactable and available anymore by default
[21:02] <capiira> old gdm in dark would be cool :D
[21:02] <capiira> yeah sadly
[21:02] <joneskoo> I think I might install 9.04 on vmware fusion, since macbook native is not very usable
[21:02] <joneskoo> at least 64bit one
[21:02] <mnemo> cwillu: how can I make not use kexec? for example after getting a new kernel, if I want to get back to grub?
[21:02] <capiira> new one reminds me of a soap box
[21:03] <capiira> with big logo on the side
[21:03] <joneskoo> WLAN is problematic (my WPA2 PSK network didn't work, my 802.11n 5 GHz network performs really bad etc.)
[21:03] <cwillu> mnemo, sudo kexec -u will do it once, or you can disable it permanently in /etc/defaults/kexec
[21:03] <joneskoo> a major improvement is that sleep seems to work quite well based on quick testing
[21:04] <capiira> let me look at gdm again brb
[21:04] <cwillu> capiira, soap boxes are professional
[21:04] <mnemo> cwillu: thanks a lot... I've been search for days for a command to do this
[21:04] <joneskoo> the biggest headaches about 9.04 on macbook IMO were that secondary click isn't available and WLAN works bad.
[21:04] <sirderigo-> jaunty is very good! i love it
[21:05] <sirderigo-> mi laptop hangs up sometimes
[21:05] <Ienorand> jaunty is very bad, but I love it anyways.
[21:05] <joneskoo> on an eeePC 1000HG I hear everything works really nice, I might get one of those for linux use :)
[21:05] <capiira> eekk
[21:05] <cwillu> sirderigo-, ext4?
[21:05] <mnemo> jaunty rocks, except on intel cards where performance is dog slow / unacceptable
[21:06] <capiira> looking positive at it did not make it better :D
[21:06] <sirderigo-> cwillu, sure
[21:06] <cwillu> mnemo, enable uxa if you can
[21:06] <cwillu> sirderigo-, intel video?
[21:06] <joneskoo> mnemo: or apple's broadcom or whatever it is
[21:06] <capiira> im running ext4 too on my hp 1000 mini netbook
[21:06] <sirderigo-> cwillu, yes again
[21:06] <capiira> also root crypted
[21:06] <cwillu> sirderigo-, both of those have lock-up bugs right now, both are being actively work on :p
[21:06] <ActionParsnip> yo yo yo
[21:06] <sirderigo-> and i havenot uxa enabled
[21:06] <joneskoo> hm actually I don't remember what this macbook has
[21:07] <capiira> but i think i will skip this release
[21:07] <cwillu> sirderigo-, in the mean time, you can try using a mainline kernel for now (http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/)
[21:07] <cwillu> sirderigo-, a 2.6.29 _might_ make things work better
[21:07] <cwillu> and it _might_ also just break other stuff
[21:07] <cwillu> and it _is_ unsupported :p
[21:07] <sirderigo-> cwillu, what could be better?
[21:07] <mnemo> cwillu: i've been using UXA for the whole jaunty cycle which is a shame really because now EXA got less testing and it still sucks... I feel sorry for all the newbies who's going to upgrade into the current intel+EXA perf situation
[21:08] <capiira> intel here too
[21:08] <sirderigo-> and what about GEM?
[21:08] <cwillu> mnemo, I saw word of a gem disabling patch that might be coming down the pipe
[21:08] <cwillu> which might restore the exa performance of 945 (the major loss is due to an oversight in gem which isn't fixable in 2.6.28)
[21:09] <capiira> now i know why its choppy
[21:09] <capiira> heh
[21:09] <mnemo> cwillu: that would be very nice... my machine ran a lot faster with intrepid
[21:09] <capiira> 945 here atom cpu
[21:09] <cwillu> capiira, in your xorg.conf, device section, you can try adding AccelMethod "uxa"
[21:09] <mnemo> i've tried EXA with 2.6.29 final plus xorg-edgers 1 week ago and the perf problems were still there
[21:09] <capiira> hmmm
[21:09] <sirderigo-> http://pastebin.com/m72820ce7
[21:09] <sirderigo-> a lot of things have slow :'(
[21:10] <capiira> have to think about what to run on my netbook again
[21:10] <cwillu> sirderigo-, that's irrelevant to this
[21:10] <cwillu> and the output is quite normal :p
[21:10] <capiira> i dont want to mess around in configs
[21:10] <capiira> 8.10 worked like a charm
[21:10] <cwillu> capiira, then what are you doing running a beta?
[21:10] <capiira> its close to final
[21:10] <sirderigo-> 1618 frames in 5.0 seconds = 323.568 FPS
[21:11] <cwillu> sirderigo-, glxgears is not a benchmark :p
[21:11] <mbeierl> I put easypeasy onto my daughter's netbook - she loves it over the asus linux that came with it
[21:11] <capiira> i don't think it will change that much
[21:11] <sirderigo-> capiira, till the final release day it will be unsoported
[21:11] <giaco> system on idle, cpu is being eated by xorg, http://pastie.caboo.se/434188
[21:11] <cwillu> capiira, yes, yes it will, there are bug fixes coming constantly.  More importantly, if you're not helping with those bug fixes, then you're just leaching off the limited resources available to isolate problems and fix them
[21:12] <sirderigo-> cwillu, that hurts i dont program
[21:12] <cwillu> sirderigo-, you don't have to, but you do have to be willing to try things suggested, to file bug, and to be generally responsive in that way :)
[21:12] <cwillu> but sight-seeing isn't useful :p
[21:13] <sirderigo-> jejeje
[21:13] <sirderigo-> what kernel should i use?
[21:13] <sirderigo-> 2.6.29-rc8?
[21:13] <cwillu> try a 2.6.29, the latest dated one you can see
[21:13] <cwillu> (actual date, don't go off the version number)
[21:14] <sirderigo-> you know}
[21:14] <ActionParsnip> cwillu: i'm on jaunty 2.6.28-11-generic
[21:14] <sirderigo-> every time i play whit the kernel it blows up and destroy every in 3 HDD around?
[21:14] <cwillu> if it clears up the hanging issues, poke back here and bug me or bugabundo (tell him that a 2.6.29 might have fixed an intel issue)
[21:14] <cwillu> ActionParsnip, re?
[21:15] <sirderigo-> cwillu, i will give 30 minutes
[21:15] <sirderigo-> cwillu, you are a MOTU?
[21:15] <mbeierl> cwillu: I've been trying to file some bugs in order to help things along, but for some reason, I'm not getting any crash dumps or core files, so my apport automatically opened bugs keep getting closed.  any suggestions?
[21:15] <ActionParsnip> cwillu: how did you get the 29 kernel?
[21:15] <cwillu> sirderigo-, no, just a irc volunteer with an inflated ego :p
[21:16] <capiira> kernel.org ;)?
[21:16] <sirderigo-> cwillu, who isnt?
[21:16] <gotiniens> guys, I'm having problems with the vino vnc server, it only shows me the first frame after I connect. I can move my mouse and can send keyboard command, but the screen on the remote site doesn't get updated
[21:16] <sirderigo-> nice to meet you, i think i was the only one whit those 2 things
[21:16] <sirderigo-> :)
[21:16] <cwillu> ActionParsnip, there are mainline builds available from http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/
[21:17] <unixdawg> ok who broke the internet
[21:17] <mnemo> yes, the easiest way to install 2.6.29 on jaunty is to use: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v2.6.29/linux-image-2.6.29-020629-generic_2.6.29-020629_i386.deb
[21:17] <mbeierl> unixdawg: sorry, I think it was me
[21:17] <ActionParsnip> cwillu: is it advised to use for standard users?
[21:17] <cwillu> ActionParsnip, generally not
[21:17] <mnemo> ActionParsnip: mainline kernels are useful for testing
[21:18] <cwillu> good to know if mainline has fixes that could be backported though
[21:18] <sirderigo-> thats good we are not normal users ;=
[21:18] <ActionParsnip> then i'll avoid
[21:18] <ActionParsnip> kernel is running fine so i'll sit on what i got
[21:19]  * unixdawg is updating now
[21:19] <LordKow> mainline kernels are good to use at first. for instance, in ubuntu's case if there is a problem traced to the kernel then you would want to find out if it is an ubuntu patch causing the probs or if it's the mainline kernel
[21:19] <unixdawg> but some how this just feels like doing windows updates
[21:20] <weboide> capiira: do you use lpia or x86 on your hp mini?
[21:20] <ellar> does anyone know how to make pidgin display the msn picture when it pops up saying xyz cam online in indicator applet?
[21:20] <capiira> nope
[21:21] <capiira> just normal ubuntu
[21:21] <weboide> capiira: ah ok
[21:21] <capiira> gnome-do is enough :)
[21:22] <sirderigo-> cwillu, you know what else is broken?
[21:22] <unixdawg> ok jaunty64 updated
[21:22] <sirderigo-> performus
[21:22] <gotiniens> OK I seemed to solve the problem, I had to disable desktop effects
[21:22] <weboide> capiira: do you have the sound and wifi working?
[21:22] <capiira> wifi in 9.04 yes, sound = no
[21:23] <capiira> 8.10 all out of the box
[21:23] <sirderigo-> performous
[21:23] <sirderigo-> sorry
[21:23] <weboide> capiira: okay, good to know ;) cause I don't have sound either, but didn't try to fix it yet
[21:23] <capiira> im to lazy for that
[21:23] <capiira> dont have time too
[21:24] <capiira> i find it sadly that in linux things that worked fine before stops working on next releases
[21:24] <weboide> I have a couple hours ahead that I can spend on that, I'll surely post an how-to on my blog if I can fix it
[21:26] <capiira> this drives me nuts
[21:27] <capiira> iirc with 7.04 it was my scanner and 7.10 it was my dmcrypt
[21:28] <capiira> from my point of view 8.10 and 6.04 was the best releases so far
[21:29] <weboide> capiira: lol, you haven't tried jaunty-finalrelease yet
[21:29] <capiira> yep
[21:29] <capiira> we will see :)
[21:30] <weboide> what's the module you use for wifi? wl or b43?
[21:30] <capiira> the closed source thing
[21:31] <weboide> hm because b43 doesn't detect my card, and they use 'wl' on MIE as I remember
[21:31] <capiira> broadcom one
[21:31] <capiira> lets see
[21:31] <sirderigo-> 7.10 was the best ever
[21:31] <capiira> 7.sta wireless driver says restricted driver manager
[21:32] <capiira> 7.10 broke my sound too on main pc with xeon system
[21:32]  * cwillu has fond memories of feisty
[21:34] <BUGabundo> cwillu: edgy was better
[21:34] <BUGabundo> guud evening ppl
[21:34] <capiira> dislike the no shutdown buttons too
[21:34]  * cwillu pokes BUGabundo with a stick
[21:34]  * BUGabundo feels something scrating
[21:34] <BUGabundo> cwillu: more to the left, please
[21:35] <cwillu> BUGabundo, so, I completely forgot I have a quad cpu vps at my disposal to build these bisection kernels
[21:35]  * cwillu pokes BUGabundo to the left
[21:35] <BUGabundo> nice for you
[21:35] <cwillu> the downside is that transferring it back takes a bit more time :p
[21:35] <BUGabundo> I'm not that happy tonigh so I'll leave it to you
[21:35] <capiira> heh
[21:35] <cwillu> bugs got you down?
[21:36]  * cwillu pokes BUGabundo in the pun
[21:36] <BUGabundo> OT
[21:36] <sirderigo-> 2 minutes for the kernel
[21:36] <cwillu> oh yes, introductions
[21:36] <BUGabundo> don't want to get even more depressed...
[21:36] <cwillu> BUGabundo, sirderigo- and capiira shouldn't be using public betas :)
[21:37] <capiira> compiling makes depressed :)
[21:37] <sirderigo-> cwillu, why?
[21:37] <BUGabundo> I don't like betas... to stable and crowed
[21:37] <sirderigo-> i like to compile
[21:37] <BUGabundo> I like alphas
[21:37] <cwillu> sirderigo- and capiira, BUGabundo is the person who pressured me into reporting bug #352971 :p
[21:37] <cwillu> j/k :)
[21:37] <BUGabundo> aka #2
[21:37] <sirderigo-> i actually know what is a production release
[21:37] <BUGabundo> the only really good laugh of the day
[21:38] <cwillu> I'm milking it for all it's worth :)
[21:38] <capiira> beta is close to final i bet sound issue will exist after final
[21:38] <capiira> sta92xx issue
[21:38] <sirderigo-> installing the kernel
[21:38] <BUGabundo> cwillu: I got even some extra doing! yay
[21:38] <cwillu> ...because they only fix the most inconsequential bugs between beta and release :p
[21:39] <BUGabundo> do you guys have trouble with Totem?
[21:39] <BUGabundo> mine slows down
[21:39] <capiira> heh
[21:39] <sirderigo-> BUGabundo, mine too
[21:39] <BUGabundo> vlc and mplayer work ok
[21:39] <BUGabundo> wait so it's a general bug?
[21:39] <sirderigo-> yes
[21:39]  * BUGabundo makes a (small) smille
[21:39] <BUGabundo> yay one more but to file
[21:39]  * cwillu tickles BUGabundo 
[21:39]  * BUGabundo hopes its not yet on LP
[21:39] <capiira> :)
[21:39]  * BUGabundo giggle
[21:39] <BUGabundo> cwillu: stop that
[21:40]  * ellar is laughing
[21:40]  * sirderigo- is rofl
[21:40]  * capiira is loling
[21:40]  * cwillu suggests #ubuntu-offtopic for further roflcoptering
[21:41]  * BUGabundo thinks this # has to many /mes
[21:41]  * sirderigo- too
[21:41]  * ellar too and joining #ot
[21:41] <BUGabundo> ok any one found a totem bug on LP?
[21:41] <capiira> hehe not mayn there?
[21:42] <capiira> many
[21:42] <BUGabundo> I'm on 3G(or better 2G) so everything is slow
[21:42] <sirderigo-> brb
[21:42] <BUGabundo>                                                     Invalid,                           last updated                           2009-02-25
[21:42] <sirderigo-> i gotta reboot and try my new kernel
[21:43] <BUGabundo> they are all marked as Invalid!?
[21:43] <unixdawg> live isinvalid
[21:43] <unixdawg> and was revoked
[21:44] <unixdawg> what jaunt delayed till AUG
[21:44] <unixdawg> it must be a april fools joke
[21:44] <capiira> heh
[21:44] <ellar> unixdawg, uh, that took some time
[21:44] <capiira> 9.08
[21:45] <sirderigo-> capiira, you mean 9.10?
[21:45] <capiira> aug delay heh
[21:45] <unixdawg> sorry been a long day
[21:45] <kaktus_> hi. ubuntu 8.04 didnt work on my computer. i have som flickering graphic issues. the jauntyversion downloaded a week ago worked fine. now when i updated lots of packages i have the same graphical error. flickering and the whole computer hangs... i have tried to "try to fix x-server" on recoverymode
[21:45] <BUGabundo> $ totem --debug doesn't work
[21:45] <BUGabundo> :((
[21:45] <kaktus_> correction, 8.10
[21:46] <sirderigo-> BUGabundo, you like bugs eh
[21:46] <capiira> join #ubuntu -1 and ask there kaktus_
[21:46] <cwillu> kaktus_, can I suggest 8.10?
[21:46] <cwillu> kaktus_, 9.04 isn't released yet, and is unsupported
[21:47] <kaktus_> cwillu: as i wrote, 8.10 dont work.
[21:47] <cwillu> you said 8.04
[21:47] <capiira> :/
[21:47] <kaktus_> cwillu: yeah, but i corrected it below.
[21:47] <cwillu> oh, missed that
[21:47] <cwillu> still, the place to go then is to #ubuntu, and get 8.10 fixed there :p
[21:47] <kaktus_> tried that with no success.
[21:48] <capiira> hm sad
[21:48] <kaktus_> its weird that it worked before the latest update
[21:48] <cwillu> not terribly weird, no
[21:48] <cwillu> things are broken and fixed constantly in prerelease
[21:48] <capiira> *nix can be sometimes a pain
[21:48] <kaktus_> the same was before, 8.04 worked fine, but when the 8.10 release was updated the error occurred
[21:49] <BUGabundo> inicial bug at https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/totem/+bug/353444
[21:49] <kaktus_> cwillu: yeah, that is the backside to using beta.
[21:49] <BUGabundo> need someone that can debug it and add results to bug
[21:49] <capiira> when it runs then it runs perfect but till it run it can take ages
[21:49] <cwillu> kaktus_, however, at the very minimum, you need to tell us the video chipset you're running, which driver for that chipset you're using, a pastebin of the xorg.log from the crash, your /etc/x11/xorg.conf file, and some demonstration that you've filed a bug on launchpad for the issue, or have looked for an already reported bug there :p
[21:50] <cwillu> (don't confuse the ":p" as meaning I'm not serious) :p
[21:50] <capiira> and when you finaly got it working fine and configured then a new version comes out and break new stuff
[21:50] <capiira> heh
[21:50] <kaktus_> cwillu: yeah i know, i'm just frustrated. :)
[21:51] <cwillu> capiira, generally, if the bug has been reported before you worked around the bug (you didn't fix it if you just 'fixed' it on your computer), things get recovered fairly quickely
[21:51] <kaktus_> its kinda hard to paste my xorg.conf when my computer doesnt start any x :)
[21:51] <cwillu> kaktus_, seriously, go down the list I just typed out, do all those things, it'll help you solve your problem, and it'll help everyone else solve it permanently too :)
[21:51] <BUGabundo> so who here also has bug 353444 ??
[21:51] <kaktus_> what list
[21:52] <cwillu> from a recovery terminal, "sudo apt-get install pastebinit", and then you can pastebin files by running "pastebinit /path/to/file" or "cat foo | pastebinit"
[21:52] <capiira> did they introduce xorg.conf again ?
[21:52] <cwillu> kaktus_, the big paragraph I just typed a minute ago :p
[21:52] <kaktus_> oh cool
[21:52] <BUGabundo> sirderigo-: you too?
[21:52] <sirderigo-> BUGabundo, yes
[21:52] <cwillu> capiira, no, but there's still a shell of one, and depending on the driver he's using/preexisting configuration, there may be more
[21:52] <BUGabundo> can you #me too to it?
[21:53] <sirderigo-> but i think what all the apps i like are buggy in 9.04
[21:53] <sirderigo-> BUGabundo, ?
[21:53] <sirderigo-> i dont understand
[21:53] <BUGabundo> open the bug and click on Me Too
[21:53] <sirderigo-> ok
[21:53] <cwillu> sirderigo-, go to the bug report, and click the "this bug affects me too" button
[21:54] <sirderigo-> if launchpad loads someday i wil do
[21:56] <kaktus_> http://pastebin.com/f34c637e8
[21:56] <kaktus_> cool.
[21:56] <sirderigo-> time for reboot
[21:56] <sirderigo-> pray for me
[21:56] <BUGabundo> hey MTecknology
[21:56] <exco2> is there a known problem with Network Manager not obeying the IPV4 manual ip settings
[21:56] <exco2> ?
[21:56] <MTecknology> BUGabundo: hi
[21:56] <LordKow> BUGabundo, what kind of "movie"? i do not experience your issue as described in the bug report when playing xvid-encoded video.
[21:56] <MTecknology> BUGabundo: like my pretty new hostmask?
[21:57] <BUGabundo> xvid mostly
[21:57] <BUGabundo> MTecknology: ah it new? congrads! mail backlog.. didn't read about it yet
[21:57] <LordKow> BUGabundo, is there a (legal) online video somewhere that i can download in which you experience this issue?
[21:57] <MTecknology> BUGabundo: the part is that I finally made a donation
[21:58] <BUGabundo> LordKow: yes
[21:58] <BUGabundo> there are from blender
[21:58] <kaktus_> can i deactivate the hardware drivers?
[21:58] <kaktus_> in console.
[21:58] <LordKow> BUGabundo, direct link
[21:58] <BUGabundo> second
[21:59] <BUGabundo> LordKow: http://www.bigbuckbunny.org/index.php/download/
[21:59] <kaktus_> ok, trying 8.10 instead, perhaps the gfx work better there now than before ;)
[21:59] <kaktus_> thanks for all the help
[21:59] <cwillu> np
[22:00] <cwillu> feel free to try 9.04 again in another month, it'll be released by then :)
[22:00] <kaktus_> yeah, any date yet?
[22:00] <kaktus_> i like the 9.04 very much
[22:00] <LordKow> BUGabundo, which format? MP4, X264, OGG, or MSMP4?
[22:01] <BUGabundo> h264
[22:01] <BUGabundo> you can get just the sample
[22:01] <BUGabundo> no need for the all movies
[22:01] <BUGabundo> on the other hand if you want to test full HD
[22:01] <BUGabundo> those are FOSS
[22:01] <LordKow> oh well, apparently they are not linked
[22:02] <BUGabundo> duh
[22:02] <BUGabundo> wrong format
[22:02] <BUGabundo> you want mp4 LordKow
[22:02] <LordKow> BUGabundo, high-def needs some pretty hefty graphics. what vid card do ou have?
[22:02] <BUGabundo> 8400
[22:03] <BUGabundo> plays fullHD quiet well
[22:03] <BUGabundo> just some hickups
[22:03] <BUGabundo> but that is not this case
[22:03] <BUGabundo> my bug is with regular xvid
[22:03] <LordKow> yea the x264 codec is still not nearly perfect. has major stream buffering issues... i get around it by simply downloading the entire video and then playing it
[22:03] <BUGabundo> sub 720
[22:05] <sirderigo> BUGabundo, valla monton de Karma
[22:06] <BUGabundo> sirderigo: so what?
[22:06] <BUGabundo> I work a lot for that
[22:06] <sirderigo> BUGabundo, solo digo...
[22:07] <BUGabundo> I'm running for Ubuntu Member too... trying to beat MTecknology to it eheh
[22:07] <sirderigo> i want to get ubuntu member too someday
[22:07] <sirderigo> BUGabundo, your skills are enough
[22:07] <un2him> so far jaunty rocks!
[22:07] <BUGabundo> sirderigo: about the bug?
[22:07] <LordKow> well crap it's already time for real-world work. sorry can't finish this help session BUGabundo most of the vids you linked me to played fine. the MP4 one's did not but i think im missing a codec for that.
[22:07] <BUGabundo> what video formats does it for you ?
[22:08] <BUGabundo> LordKow: thanks no the less
[22:10] <un2him> Just wish I could resume from suspend with proprietary nvidia driver enabled
[22:11] <BUGabundo> un2him: works here
[22:11] <BUGabundo> have you debuged X for it?
[22:13] <dtchen> suspend and nvidia are black magic
[22:13] <un2him> No, how do I do that?
[22:14] <dtchen> highly dependent on the actual model of the laptop
[22:14] <dtchen> (surprise, not dissimilar from audio!)
[22:14] <un2him> Inspiron 8600
[22:15] <BUGabundo> un2him: let me get the wiki link for that
[22:17] <BUGabundo> hmm where did he go?
[22:17] <BUGabundo> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Backtracing
[22:17] <BUGabundo> I have the link
[22:17] <dtchen> his client pinged out
[22:18] <BUGabundo> un2him: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Backtracing
[22:18] <BUGabundo> you will need a 2nd pc to connect
[22:20] <dennda> Is the indicator applet introduced in Jaunty able to keep track of new mails in thunderbird? Looking at the source I wasn't that much enlighted
[22:26] <Exilant> how big should a jaunty partion be? i thought i was save with 6 gigs for hardy, but now its 98 % full ... is 10 sufficient?
[22:27] <BUGabundo> depends
[22:27] <BUGabundo> on what you put in there
[22:27] <BUGabundo> for me it is not!
[22:42] <cyphermox> sweet! more time for fixing bugs!
[22:49] <BUGabundo>    Launchpad will be going offline for maintenance   in 11 minutes.
[22:49] <BUGabundo> enjoy now, or go to sleep
[22:49] <mysticdarkhack> greeting all
[22:50] <BUGabundo> hey mysticdarkhack
[22:51] <mysticdarkhack> in jaunty, my font seem a bit blury, is there a way to fresh the font or whatever can smooth out font
[22:51] <Exilant> BUGabundo: more than 10 gigs, do you install every package?
[22:51] <BUGabundo> humm no
[22:51] <Matson> looking to do a colo'd server install next week of ubuntu - how stable is 9.04?
[22:51] <BUGabundo> but I do install a lot of debug packages
[22:52] <BUGabundo> Exilant: and that counts pretty fast
[22:52] <Matson> and does it work to simply install the beta and do upgrates/updates up through release date?
[22:52] <mysticdarkhack> anyone?
[22:52] <BUGabundo> plus I have home on another partition
[22:52] <BUGabundo> Matson: Yes
[22:52] <Exilant> matson, i get frequent (1/day) hardlocks from the graphics driver
[22:52] <BUGabundo> mysticdarkhack: you need to ask asac
[22:52] <mysticdarkhack> matson, I would wait till release
[22:52] <BUGabundo> Exilant: what card?
[22:52] <mysticdarkhack> still some bug need fix
[22:52] <Exilant> ati mobility radeon
[22:52] <Matson> cool.  thank you
[22:53] <Exilant> rv350 or so
[22:53] <BUGabundo> Exilant: and FS? ext4 ?
[22:53] <Exilant> yes, on /
[22:53] <BUGabundo> using -ati or closed driver?
[22:53] <BUGabundo> cwillu: I got one more for you
[22:53] <Exilant> afaik the open source one
[22:53] <BUGabundo> Exilant: cwillu is debuging those kinda of locks
[22:53] <Exilant> ah
[22:54] <mysticdarkhack> asac, hey some told me you might help me with the font blury issue
[22:54] <Exilant> i'm afraid i can't provide useful information
[22:54] <Exilant> suddenly, nothing works anymore
[22:55] <asac> mysticdarkhack: i am open to bug reports. helping maybe not ;)
[22:56] <mysticdarkhack> I like everyone opinion on the new gdm, theme, and usplash
[22:57] <mysticdarkhack> asac, well how to I report you some bug since it been awhile I ever report or help out here.
[22:57]  * BUGabundo1 feels reduced to "someone"
[22:57] <Exilant> oh poor BUGabundo1
[22:57] <mysticdarkhack> do anyone like the new looks?
[22:58] <Exilant> what new looks?
[22:58] <mysticdarkhack> usplash, gdm, themes
[22:58] <mysticdarkhack> oh and wallpapers
[22:58] <Exilant> mhm
[22:58] <Exilant> i use kubuntu without usplash
[22:59] <mysticdarkhack> neither
[22:59] <BUGabundo1> I change all my theme
[22:59] <BUGabundo1> and have auto login
[23:00] <mysticdarkhack> I look forward to 9.10
[23:00] <josh-l> hey folks, something strange is happening when i try to send stuff to trash via dolphin... it pops up a little notification window, and takes a very long time to move to trash, this happened after I logged into a ftp site via dolphin... help? running kubuntu jaunty
[23:00] <asac> mysticdarkhack: a good start would be to tell me more info: where do you see the issue, why do you think its wrong; what fonts are you using and so on
[23:01] <zmjjmz> Have there been any reported issues booting Jaunty with unetbootin?
[23:02] <BUGabundo1> zmjjmz: a few
[23:02] <BUGabundo1> the grub gets intalled in the wrong place zmjjmz
[23:02] <zmjjmz> unetbootin uses syslinux, does it not?
[23:03] <zmjjmz> I mean, I can't even get it to boot, much less install.
[23:03] <josh-l> anyone help?
[23:03] <BUGabundo1> zmjjmz: like I said!
[23:04] <zmjjmz> Ah
[23:04] <BUGabundo1> josh-l: is the FTP link still up?
[23:04] <josh-l> BUGabundo1: no ive even shutdown since
[23:05] <mysticdarkhack> asac, I see.. Well the font on firefox seem blury and I'm using the default font which comes with jaunty. even the font on some text on systems a bit blury. I won't my guess probably ati card issue since lot of stuff of still being devedope. Sorry if that didn't help much or the way I'm answering it.
[23:06] <josh-l> BUGabundo1: and its only when i try to move to trash, not when i delete
[23:06] <asac> mysticdarkhack: ok disable "websites can choose their own fonts" please
[23:06] <asac> in firefox preferences
[23:06] <BUGabundo1> josh-l: maybe you are trying to download from the server to your local trash?
[23:07] <asac> mysticdarkhack: i assume that helps?
[23:07] <josh-l> BUGabundo1: i'm not on the server... in a local directory
[23:07] <BUGabundo1> didn't you say you used FTP?
[23:07] <josh-l> BUGabundo1: i did once yes
[23:11] <mysticdarkhack> asac, well that help a bit. I think it definitely the video card issue
[23:12] <mysticdarkhack> asac, ty for the workaround thought
[23:14] <mysticdarkhack> well I'm off now all
[23:14] <mysticdarkhack> later and ty all
[23:27] <Jordan_U> You have to give a better fake reason than "due to problems"
[23:28] <BUGabundo1> Jordan_U: what?
[23:28] <Jordan_U> BUGabundo1, See the topic
[23:32] <BUGabundo1> ah
[23:32] <BUGabundo1> lol
[23:32] <BUGabundo1> didn't even read it
[23:38] <Blackice2> rofl why does IRC room say august and the site says April 23rd LOLZ!
[23:42] <gunni> Whats the easiest way to build kde from svn in jaunty? I tried the explanation for kdesvn-build, but the required packages seem to have changed. Someone with a hint on that. btw. Jaunty is running great on my Desktop, my Server and my Laptop.
[23:59] <donald> Hi, I am having a problem getting sound to work - everything else, including the proprietary drivers for my video card installed perfectly. When I try to use sound on here, I get this message: "The audio playback device HDA Intel (ALC888 Analog) does not work. Falling back to HDA ATI HDMI, ATI HDMI (HDMI Audio Output)." but still it does not work. Any help? I am using Kubuntu 9.04 beta.