[00:19] <sotec_prod> Has anyone successfully installed ubuntu mobile on a WinMo device with an OMP processor? (samsung blackjack 2)
[09:29] <davmor2> Guys is xournal a touch screen app?
[09:46] <davmor2> ogra: hello
[09:48] <davmor2> Is it too late to get an app removed from UNR?
[09:53] <ogra> what would you want to remove ?
[09:57] <davmor2> ogra: xournal it's a good app if you have a touch screen but most netbooks don't
[09:58] <ogra> true 
[09:58] <ogra> no idea why its included in UNR
[09:59] <davmor2> ogra: It's 2 or 3 across from gedit.  At first I thought it was a dupe in apps but if you try and us it with out a touch screen it's like playing mission control
[10:00] <davmor2> it just fires line to where the cursor is :)
[10:00] <ogra> heh ... i'd file a bug 
[10:00] <davmor2> have done
[10:00] <ogra> either for the removal or for a fix
[10:00] <davmor2> Bug 352961
[10:02] <davmor2> ogra: I also added maybe having the inclusion of a UNR-Touch meta-package to include common touch apps and settings for if the touch screen become common place :)
[10:06] <ogra> good idea, we should make a spec out of that
[10:08] <davmor2> ogra: knock yourself out you know more about what half decent apps and settings are out there :) 
[10:09] <ogra> not true foir jaunty UNR ... i'm mainly doing ARM enablement this cycle, StevenK is the guy caring for UNR in januty
[10:12] <StevenK> xournal has been killed from the meta package
[10:13] <ogra> StevenK, oh, you are here 
[10:13] <ogra> StevenK, did you see the notify-osd discussion with sabdfl and davidbarth above ?
[10:14] <StevenK> I thought lool did that upload?
[10:14]  * ogra didnt see any uploads yet
[10:15] <ogra> as i understand there is a "fix" in n-osd bzr thats not been uploaded yet, which adds support for an env var that enforces non-composite mode
[10:16] <StevenK> I thought u-n-r-d-s 0.5.0 was uploaded?
[10:16] <ogra> if thats uploaded we need to set that var somewhere and replace notification-daemon with n-osd
[10:17] <ogra> u-n-r-d-s 0.5.0 doesnt change anything wrt notifications
[10:18] <ogra> sabdfl wants the new notification system in UNR
[10:18] <StevenK> Yeah, I see that.
[10:24] <davmor2> StevenK: Cool :)
[10:27] <atari> i have the problem that my system seems to hang for 1-2s if i open a new page in firefox (as example). is it a known problem?
[10:41] <StevenK> ogra: I have the changes locally, I don't see the notify-osd changes in LP yet
[10:42] <ogra> StevenK, <davidbarth> ogra, lool: i've just pushed a fix for the env. var workaround we just discussed
[10:43] <ogra> thats been 20:33 UTC yesterday
[10:43] <StevenK> Where LP == the archive
[10:47] <ogra> yeah, i think nobody uploaded it yet
[10:47] <ogra> i dont even know the var name, else you could add something already 
[10:48] <ogra> i would propose (even though its very ugly) to add an Xsession.d script to the launcher that exports it
[10:48] <ogra> i.e. /etc/X11/Xsession.d/85no-composite-for-osd with:
[10:48] <ogra> #!/bin/sh
[10:48] <ogra> NOTIFY_OSD_MUST_NOT_USE_COMPOSITING=True
[10:48] <ogra> export NOTIFY_OSD_MUST_NOT_USE_COMPOSITING
[10:49] <ogra> thats what we discussed yesterday (or hack up the launcher itself to export it from C )
[10:50] <ogra> (the latter might produce races though if n-osd starts before the launcher)
[12:08] <playya> ogra, maybe you should look into the XDG dokumentation if there's a flag for composite
[12:09] <playya> or HAL
[12:09] <playya> ehh some dbus method of your choice :)
[12:11] <ogra> playya, well, not my business actually, i think the dx team has already implementd something in notify-osd
[12:11] <playya> ok
[12:11] <ogra> beyond that composite is there and will be detected ... which is the exact problem
[12:12] <playya> because of notify-osd i won't upgrad to jaunty
[12:12] <ogra> really ?
[12:12]  * ogra likes notify-osd
[12:12] <ogra> i dont like the stuff that has changed around the notification stuff
[12:12] <ogra> buut the notification system itself is pretty cool
[12:13] <playya> i use E really often ( if its not crashing) and it doesn't support n-osd
[12:13] <playya> only libnotify
[12:15] <ogra> well, you can remove n-osd and use libnotify
[12:16] <playya> but all programs use n-osd
[12:16] <ogra> that doesnt mean they are not able to use notification-daemon anymore
[12:17] <playya> i thought nosd replaces libn completely
[12:17] <ogra> if its installed, yes
[12:19] <playya> ot: can i set blink for the normal backgroundcolor in grub?
[12:21] <playya> brb. testing
[12:27] <playya> ok. doesn't work
[12:28] <ogra> file a bug :)
[12:29] <ogra> UNR still uses notification-daemon all over the place ... nobody complained during the beta testing
[12:30] <playya> nobody uses enlightenment ;)
[12:31] <ogra> well, does that matter ?
[12:31] <ogra> notification-daemon should simply work, else its an E bug
[12:31] <playya> i don't have a jaunty install because of missind disk space and my second hdd has zfs as a first partition -> jaunty can't create a partition
[18:00] <lool> davidm: mdz@canonical-cloaked-58A6C14A.range86-143.btcentralplus.com (canonical)       
[18:00] <lool> Ups
[18:00] <lool> davidm, StevenK: 353263
[18:00] <lool> I think it wont make it
[21:02] <lool> http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/04/01/intel-hands-over-the-keys-to-its-linux-operating-system/
[21:15] <ian_brasil> if i were to advice someone just starting out with development of ubuntu mobile i would advise them to download the latest image and to run it in QEMU or KVM
[21:17] <ian_brasil> is there some preferred graphical way..like using Virtual Box or Virtual Machine Manager?
[21:34] <lool> ian_brasil: I think virtualbox is a bit harder to convert the image, but then you can easily boot either disk
[21:35] <lool> ian_brasil: With kvm or qemu it's hard to switch boot disk, so hard to install from that .img; but we have a trick for that as well.
[21:35]  * lool bed &
[21:35] <ian_brasil> lool: that which you posted to the mailing list a while back right
[22:00] <methods> the arm-ubuntu notebooks should be coming out now that it's april right ?
[22:33] <methods> how do i get mid ?