| Flannel | sigh. | 00:16 |
|---|---|---|
| Flannel | dumb trolls are dumb. | 00:17 |
| Seeker` | do we get to troll people as it is april fools day? | 00:22 |
| Flannel | Ah... it is for some of us, isn't it. | 00:23 |
| nixternal | hey, anyone want the new irssi release let me know | 00:25 |
| nixternal | I have packaged it for Jaunty and Intrepid...they are building now | 00:25 |
| Myrtti | it's still not going to fix the stupid UTF bug anyway | 00:25 |
| Myrtti | so why bother... | 00:25 |
| nixternal | which utf bug? | 00:26 |
| nixternal | they fixed the recode bug | 00:27 |
| Myrtti | well, one of the several recode bugs | 00:29 |
| Myrtti | hmmm | 00:30 |
| Myrtti | though. | 00:30 |
| Myrtti | http://bugs.irssi.org/index.php?do=details&task_id=545 | 00:30 |
| Flannel | LjL: Technical solutions to social problems don't work. | 00:40 |
| LjL | Flannel: says you | 00:41 |
| Flannel | I'm actually not really in agreement to any of these bots that are supposed to magically fix stuff. | 00:41 |
| LjL | Flannel: also, yes, the mikem idea is a good one | 00:41 |
| LjL | Flannel: so shall i just kill the floodbots? | 00:41 |
| LjL | ok with me | 00:41 |
| Flannel | LjL: Monitoring is fine. automatic warnings etc are not. | 00:41 |
| LjL | Flannel: the floodbots always did automatic warnings | 00:42 |
| Flannel | Bots that speak only in -monitor are fine by me. | 00:42 |
| Pricey | ubuntux782 is odd | 00:42 |
| LjL | Flannel: the floodbots never only spoke in -monitor | 00:42 |
| LjL | the 1) send a message to #ubuntu | 00:42 |
| LjL | 2) send a message to the flooder | 00:42 |
| Flannel | LjL: Floodbots are different. | 00:42 |
| LjL | 3) mute | 00:42 |
| LjL | 4) unmute | 00:42 |
| LjL | 5) send a NOTICE to the flooder | 00:42 |
| Flannel | !enter | LjL | 00:42 |
| ubottu | LjL: Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation! | 00:42 |
| LjL | !no | Flannel | 00:42 |
| ubottu | Flannel: Hvis du vil diskutere på Norsk, vennligst gå til #ubuntu-no. Takk! | 00:42 |
| Flannel | You know what. | 00:43 |
| Pricey | Calm down guys. | 00:43 |
| Flannel | Stop being an ass. | 00:43 |
| Pricey | All the same side | 00:43 |
| LjL | Flannel: i'm being an ass? | 00:43 |
| LjL | you know | 00:43 |
| LjL | you're the only one who didn't realize something about my email | 00:43 |
| LjL | specifically - that's it's april 1st | 00:43 |
| Flannel | I didn't even read the email, actually. | 00:43 |
| LjL | tsk. | 00:43 |
| Flannel | Well, first paragraph and all that. | 00:44 |
| Pricey | I'll weigh in on that email later. But in short, my email spam filter makes mistakes and I'm not too hot on bans based on interpreted content. I think its a whole different kettle of fish to monitoring flooding. | 00:46 |
| Pricey | I hate you LjL. | 00:46 |
| Pricey | I absolutely hate you. | 00:47 |
| LjL | well it's mutual | 00:47 |
| Pricey | i'm busy, not thinking straight | 00:47 |
| Pricey | its all your fault | 00:47 |
| * Pricey sighs | 00:47 | |
| Seeker` | O.o | 00:47 |
| Seeker` | what just happened? | 00:48 |
| Flannel | ubottu: tell rdw200169 about away | 01:00 |
| Seeker` | bedtime | 01:00 |
| LjL | [02:00:51] <chronic> lolz, suck a fat one, noob | 01:01 |
| LjL | [02:01:10] <LjL> you're now banned from #ubuntu too. bye. | 01:01 |
| Nephilus | Is ikonia still AFK? | 01:08 |
| LjL | Nephilus: definitely afk, it's late night in europe | 01:08 |
| Nephilus | oh okay so i guess i'll be back in six hours. | 01:09 |
| LjL | i wonder which part of "come back tomorrow" was hard to get | 01:10 |
| ubottu | EtFb called the ops in #ubuntu () | 04:00 |
| Flannel | tritium: ROFLBERRY I imagine | 04:01 |
| tritium | Flannel: I guess | 04:02 |
| Flannel | tritium: He's got a second host! (not that his first was banned) | 04:02 |
| Flannel | Hi RedMushroom, how can we help you today? | 04:05 |
| RedMushroom | just looking in the door | 04:05 |
| Flannel | Hi zloog, how can we help you today? | 04:08 |
| zloog | Just lurking | 04:11 |
| zloog | thanks | 04:11 |
| tritium | zloog: please see the topic | 04:11 |
| === jdong is now known as J | ||
| === J is now known as jdong | ||
| ubottu | FloodBot3 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (mass join) | 06:12 |
| ubottu | sebsebseb called the ops in #ubuntu () | 06:15 |
| === topyli1 is now known as topyli | ||
| ubottu | In #ubuntu-offtopic, MTecknology said: !snuxoll is <reply>snuxoll will slay you using flying mushrooms! http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/9678/snuxolldragonslayer.png | Taking Seve.as out of the factoid might be a good idea. (-offtopic) | 07:31 |
| ikonia | morning | 09:28 |
| Myrtti | *burp* | 09:30 |
| Myrtti | 'cuse me | 09:30 |
| ikonia | ha | 09:32 |
| ikonia | is there a problem with this ban ? *!n=curtis@*.verizon.net | 09:35 |
| jpds | Not as far as I can tell. | 09:39 |
| ikonia | good good, it appeared a bit funny in BT | 09:40 |
| ikonia | just checking | 09:40 |
| elky | technically, no. i'd be worried about banning everyone with a certain name from a certain isp though | 09:58 |
| elky | i mean, that one will take out everyone whose ident is 'curtis'. that's way broad if it lacks good reason | 09:59 |
| ikonia | elky: wouldn't it do everyone who's ident is curtis on verion.net - I can take it down a little futher to *.$gateway.verizon.net would that make it more acceptable | 10:01 |
| ikonia | eh: *.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net | 10:01 |
| ikonia | that part should never change on his dhcp range | 10:02 |
| ikonia | eg: | 10:02 |
| ikonia | elky: any better ? | 10:10 |
| elky | better yeah | 10:13 |
| ikonia | cool, I'll update | 10:14 |
| ubottu | rww called the ops in #ubuntu-offtopic () | 10:25 |
| Myrtti | what the hell is going on at #ubuntu | 11:07 |
| Myrtti | are you pulling some april fools there, folks? | 11:08 |
| Myrtti | right? | 11:09 |
| Myrtti | right? | 11:09 |
| Myrtti | seriously | 11:09 |
| elky | sorry mum. i thought i was in -ot | 11:11 |
| gnomefreak | is everyone getting pinged in the last say 3 minutes? | 11:29 |
| bazhang | from nightmare ? | 11:29 |
| gnomefreak | i dont know i dont have pms | 11:29 |
| gnomefreak | and nothing in my server window | 11:30 |
| jussi01 | not I | 11:30 |
| Myrtti | not I | 11:32 |
| Myrtti | but the bots did notice it | 11:32 |
| Myrtti | [13:25] <+FloodBot1> WARNING: Channel CTCP/NOTICE by nightmare (share shell ubutun at nightmarevn.com), banned | 11:32 |
| gnomefreak | ah that would be good reason thanks | 11:34 |
| bazhang | @mark #ubuntu-offtopic Lenin_Cat> so I can make it read it in communism? | 11:53 |
| ubottu | The operation succeeded. | 11:53 |
| jussi01 | oh yay, kubrick dying again... | 12:08 |
| ikonia | stanley kubrick ? | 12:31 |
| ikonia | the famous director, or the freenode server ;) | 12:31 |
| jussi01 | ikonia: pm | 12:43 |
| bazhang | meh | 13:14 |
| bazhang | they'll get banned in -ru as well | 13:14 |
| ikonia | who ? | 13:15 |
| tsimpson | in #k | 13:16 |
| bazhang | two trolls from #kubuntu | 13:16 |
| tsimpson | one | 13:16 |
| ikonia | are they gone ? | 13:17 |
| bazhang | yep | 13:17 |
| tsimpson | * OKSMkiller (n=user@ppp-217-77-223-113.wildpark.net) | 13:17 |
| ikonia | ahhh so they are | 13:17 |
| tsimpson | * hkghk (n=user@ppp-217-77-223-113.wildpark.net) | 13:17 |
| ikonia | I see them | 13:17 |
| ikonia | sorry had a cluttered screen | 13:17 |
| tsimpson | not "them", just one | 13:17 |
| * tsimpson targets Geraklion | 13:17 | |
| ikonia | oh yes | 13:18 |
| ikonia | same host | 13:18 |
| bazhang | back as ger | 13:18 |
| bazhang | oops too fast | 13:18 |
| ikonia | bazhang: inspecthergadget in #ubuntu ? known ? | 13:29 |
| bazhang | ikonia, the -ro makes me wonder, seems familiar | 13:29 |
| ikonia | the nick's a bit provokotive | 13:29 |
| bazhang | ugh horrible lag here | 13:30 |
| bazhang | yep | 13:30 |
| ikonia | 13:29 <InspectHerGadget> my letters are gay and i wanna make them white | 13:34 |
| ikonia | started pm'ing me | 13:35 |
| ikonia | can't make it out proper, asked him to stop | 13:35 |
| ikonia | going on about making his keyboard white only | 13:35 |
| ikonia | and not gay | 13:35 |
| ikonia | trying to talk to him - not getting far | 13:35 |
| ikonia | bazhang: any chance you can see if this is a language thing | 13:35 |
| ikonia | I doubt it because he seems to know the meaning of the word "gay" and "white" in terms of race and sexuality | 13:36 |
| bazhang | sorry really laggy here; could it be 'gray'? ikonia | 13:39 |
| topyli | could well be gray and white. the nick is problematic tough | 13:50 |
| LjL | uhm, there was an attempted attack? | 14:13 |
| ikonia | he knows how to ban dodge | 14:14 |
| ikonia | he game back with new nick/ident/ip in one hit ! | 14:15 |
| LjL | who? | 14:15 |
| ikonia | florin_/inspecthergadget | 14:15 |
| LjL | ah yes, seemed dubious yesterday | 14:15 |
| ikonia | seemed dubious today | 14:15 |
| Myrtti | good food, better humour | 14:15 |
| ikonia | taken bazhang's suggest that it was a miss-type and that he doesn't want to make his keyboard white and not gay | 14:16 |
| ikonia | not %100 myself as I think he knew what he was saying to me, and he also knows exactly how to ban dodge | 14:16 |
| LjL | ikonia: i'd just like my keyboard to be easien to use | 14:17 |
| ikonia | I'd like non-specific gender or race keyboard | 14:17 |
| LjL | ikonia: so you want a full-Unicode keyboard? i hope you have a large house | 14:17 |
| LjL | and long fingers too | 14:17 |
| * genii makes an extra-large pot of coffee | 14:17 | |
| LjL | anyway... a Nephilus wanted you yesterday ikonia | 14:18 |
| ikonia | yeah, I saw | 14:18 |
| ikonia | waiting for him to come in, sent him a pm also | 14:19 |
| * jussi01 wonders if ikonia saw his last pms (little while ago) ;) | 14:21 | |
| ikonia | no I didn't I'll look now | 14:21 |
| ikonia | what's up ? | 14:39 |
| ikonia | florin_: I assume you'd like to talk about having your mute removed in #ubuntu | 14:40 |
| florin_ | hey | 14:41 |
| florin_ | yes i was on other channel | 14:41 |
| ikonia | hey there | 14:41 |
| florin_ | what do you mean ? sure i am here cause u send me message | 14:41 |
| florin_ | i dont avoid anything just..be more carefull next time | 14:41 |
| ikonia | yes, I said if you wanted to the mute removed please explain why you are ban dodging | 14:41 |
| florin_ | what do you mean ban dodging? | 14:42 |
| florin_ | first exaplin me why you bann me? | 14:42 |
| florin_ | cause i made an error ,write error all users got ban so fast? | 14:42 |
| ikonia | florin_: I banned you and removed you fron the #ubuntu channel, while I was explaining why you logged out - and rejoined the #ubuntu channel with a new ip and nickname | 14:42 |
| florin_ | if i had stable ip i cannot connect again | 14:43 |
| ikonia | you changed the IP address - please don't lie | 14:43 |
| florin_ | sure cause my ip was banned by you | 14:43 |
| ikonia | yes, so you tried to get around that ban | 14:43 |
| florin_ | how can i join chat again if my ip was bann? | 14:43 |
| ikonia | you don't | 14:43 |
| ikonia | that's what a ban is | 14:43 |
| florin_ | so if you bann me,i never join channel or what?i dont get it | 14:44 |
| ikonia | I was in the process of epxinaing the ban to you and you signed out and re-joined with your new details | 14:44 |
| ikonia | no - if you get banned we discuss the possible problem, resolve it and the ban gets lifted | 14:44 |
| ikonia | (lifted = removed) | 14:44 |
| ikonia | as we are doing now | 14:45 |
| florin_ | sure but if i get bann how can i come back here to discuss the problem,cause i cannot connect | 14:45 |
| florin_ | if my ip is banned | 14:45 |
| LjL | not from here | 14:45 |
| ikonia | you could discuss it with my in private as you did before you singed off to ban dodge | 14:45 |
| ikonia | or you could come in here as I requested | 14:46 |
| florin_ | i asked you in privat and you dont answer me and i dont know even now why you bann me | 14:46 |
| ikonia | I was typing a response to you | 14:46 |
| ikonia | and I didn't get your pm straight away as I was discussing your behaviour with someone who spoke russian | 14:47 |
| ikonia | that still doesn't man "ban dodge" | 14:47 |
| ikonia | I'm sorry if my response was not quick enough | 14:48 |
| florin_ | ok ikonia,so what now | 14:48 |
| florin_ | what should i do? | 14:48 |
| ikonia | I'm unsure what to say to be honest, the initial incident could well have been a miss-understanding which I totally accept, but the ban dodging you did on your own, and seemed quite aware of how to do it, which makes it harder as that shows me you obviously don't respect the rules | 14:49 |
| ikonia | florin_: give me a moment please. | 14:51 |
| florin_ | ikonia, sure | 14:52 |
| ikonia | apologies, I just had to speak to someone | 14:58 |
| ikonia | florin_: I'm happy to remove the initial ban (which I have done now) as I accept that was an missunderstanding | 14:58 |
| florin_ | sure,np i understand | 14:58 |
| ikonia | I'm not however happy nor convinced with your behaviour of ban dodging | 14:58 |
| ikonia | you seemed very aware of how to do this | 14:58 |
| florin_ | what do you mean? | 14:59 |
| florin_ | i am not here to make jokes or something ikonia | 14:59 |
| ikonia | I mean - you got banned from the channel, and you knew exactly what to do to get around it | 14:59 |
| florin_ | the word spell was a mistake | 14:59 |
| ikonia | I understnad that, and I've accepted that was a typo and removed the ban on that | 14:59 |
| florin_ | thank you | 15:00 |
| ikonia | I'am now explaining that I am not happy that when you where banned for that incident, you straight away knew how to get around the ban - and did so | 15:00 |
| florin_ | i am just reconect my internet is not a big deal | 15:01 |
| florin_ | i was angry cause you bann me and i was not guilty | 15:01 |
| ikonia | it's a reasonably deal for me | 15:03 |
| ikonia | as it shows you don't respect the rules applied to the IRC network | 15:03 |
| ikonia | and re-acting that way because you are angry doesn't make it any better as that shows me you are unable to control your temper | 15:04 |
| ikonia | florin_: if you could not PM me while we are disscussing it in here - that would be apprecited | 15:04 |
| florin_ | i am not PM you | 15:05 |
| florin_ | i write here | 15:05 |
| ikonia | you pm'ed me while we where talking | 15:06 |
| ikonia | please don't lie | 15:06 |
| florin_ | i dont know the rules of irc channel but i think i am not breaking anyone | 15:06 |
| ikonia | if you don't know the rules you don't know you're not breaking them | 15:06 |
| ikonia | !guidelines | florin_ | 15:06 |
| ubottu | florin_: The guidelines for using the Ubuntu channels can be found here: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines | 15:06 |
| ikonia | florin_: those are the IRC guidelines for being in #ubuntu related channels | 15:06 |
| ikonia | !coc | florin_ | 15:06 |
| ubottu | florin_: The Ubuntu Code of Conduct to which we ask all Ubuntu users to adhere can be found at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct/ | 15:06 |
| florin_ | florin_> i dont evade the ban,i am not here to make jokes, ia m here to learn linu | 15:06 |
| ikonia | florin_: that is the ubuntu code of conduct | 15:06 |
| florin_ | i saw now the last pm on you | 15:06 |
| ikonia | florin_: yes, that was the pm you sent me - which you said you didn't | 15:07 |
| florin_ | yes true but so what | 15:07 |
| florin_ | here there not same thing? | 15:07 |
| ikonia | I'm now concerned that you don't seem to be able to tell the truth | 15:07 |
| ikonia | florin_: I suggest you take a day to read and learn the rules of the channel and come back and we'll discuss it futher | 15:08 |
| florin_ | ikonia look,is this a joke cause i dont get it ,why you asking me a lot of things,first was your mistake | 15:08 |
| ikonia | florin_: the links ubottu posted will explain how to behave in the channels | 15:08 |
| florin_ | i will read,ok | 15:08 |
| florin_ | i think if i am not insult anyone and i dont use explicit words and just ask my question i sok | 15:09 |
| florin_ | it was just how i done | 15:09 |
| ikonia | sorry I was on the phone again | 15:11 |
| ikonia | florin_: ok - come back tommorow when you have read through the rules, and hopefully it will be clear why I am concerned about your ban dodging and you telling lies | 15:11 |
| florin_ | ikonia, ok | 15:12 |
| ikonia | florin_: thanks | 15:12 |
| florin_ | ikonia, so i must deconnect now? | 15:13 |
| ikonia | florin_: just leave this channel | 15:13 |
| ikonia | @mark #ubuntu-ops florin_ user banned - straight away ban dodged and didn't see a problem with it, also unable to tell truth, told to read coc/guidelines | 15:14 |
| ubottu | The operation succeeded. | 15:14 |
| ubottu | In #ubuntu-offtopic, ziroday said: ubottu: !unicorns is http://daenim.com/yayponies.jpeg | 15:33 |
| LjL | ikonia: err, i don't you don't like shadeslayer, but why is it not an ubuntu issue? | 15:35 |
| ikonia | LjL: he's installed open suse and it's destoryed his windows partition | 15:35 |
| ikonia | it's nothing to do with not liking him, he's actually behaved quite reasonably | 15:36 |
| LjL | ikonia: well, if he's now in ubuntu trying to recover it, it's an ubuntu question, no? | 15:36 |
| ikonia | no | 15:36 |
| ikonia | open suse has corrupted your windows partition | 15:36 |
| LjL | ... and you would like to know how to use Ubuntu to fix it | 15:36 |
| LjL | seems like an ubuntu question to me | 15:37 |
| ikonia | I disagree | 15:37 |
| ikonia | your welcome to help him | 15:37 |
| LjL | alright | 15:37 |
| ikonia | (of course) | 15:37 |
| LjL | ikonia: but, if someone joined and said "my OS/2 partition was corrupted because i did some stupid things, can i use Ubuntu tools to recover it, and if so, how?" - wouldn't you think that's an ubuntu question? | 15:39 |
| ikonia | yes, but that wasn't his question he wants to beable to mount his partition after suse borked it the #suse guys have told him it's borked | 15:40 |
| LjL | ikonia: wait, so you know *how* it got borked? | 15:41 |
| ikonia | not in detail as he just kept saying I started to install suse then stopped | 15:41 |
| LjL | meh, grey08 doesn't pass the turing test | 15:41 |
| genii | Looks like he'd installed grub or whatever loader suse uses to a subpartition and not to mbr. This causes partition type to read something like "Acorn" but it still is forcibly mountable | 15:43 |
| genii | LjL: ^ re shadeslayer | 15:43 |
| LjL | genii: yeah, i'm trying to get him to change the partition type... although i thought "mount" ignored it to begin with, even without forcing, but i suppose i was mistaken about that | 15:44 |
| ikonia | no, it shouldn't care about partition type only the fstype | 15:44 |
| ikonia | LjL: you are correct on that | 15:44 |
| LjL | ikonia: yeah but the fs type is indicated by the partition type | 15:45 |
| LjL | unless you mean it simply looks at the filesystem structure itself | 15:45 |
| ikonia | the fstaype is in the prviate region | 15:45 |
| ikonia | my typing is aparantly in dead mans land | 15:45 |
| genii | I've found mount tries to use partition typ as hint to fs to use. Especially when fs is set auto or so | 15:45 |
| ikonia | the fsype should be in the private region | 15:45 |
| LjL | see his last message anyway | 15:45 |
| LjL | there's much more of a can of worms | 15:45 |
| ikonia | that will be the resizing he did | 15:45 |
| genii | Ouch | 15:46 |
| ikonia | this is why the suse people explained it was desad | 15:47 |
| ikonia | dead | 15:47 |
| ikonia | (typing with one hand) | 15:47 |
| genii | He's also trying to help on same subject in ##windos | 15:47 |
| genii | Bleh, missed a "w" there | 15:47 |
| ikonia | yup | 15:47 |
| ikonia | hence my hard line of not an ubuntu issue | 15:48 |
| ikonia | as this had been covered | 15:48 |
| LjL | he can use testdisk to find out a sane partition table to try using | 15:48 |
| LjL | at least he might save his other partitions that way | 15:48 |
| ikonia | depends how much free space was on the disk - for the moving od data | 15:48 |
| ikonia | dinu = dingding again | 15:49 |
| ikonia | ban dodging | 15:49 |
| ikonia | "maybe" - not confirmed | 15:49 |
| LjL | there was another program aside from testdisk that could "guess" partition tables | 15:49 |
| LjL | i can't remember what it is but i think there's one | 15:49 |
| ikonia | thinking | 15:49 |
| LjL | oh right, gpart | 15:49 |
| ikonia | there is another | 15:50 |
| ikonia | something recover | 15:50 |
| LjL | ikonia: photorec? | 15:50 |
| LjL | ZarroBoogs: your nickname scares me | 15:52 |
| ZarroBoogs | good? | 15:52 |
| LjL | hm, i guess | 15:52 |
| ikonia | LjL: doesn't ring a bell | 15:52 |
| LjL | ikonia: then i don't know, i think the only ones i ever knew about were testdisk and gpart | 15:53 |
| ikonia | just googling | 15:53 |
| ikonia | there was another I've used, it was reasonably complex you had to work with it to re-construct | 15:53 |
| LjL | ikonia: anyway without a backup he shouldn't be using any of these tools, imo | 15:54 |
| ikonia | I'm still surprised that it cares about the partition table type for the fs | 15:54 |
| genii | Work, /away a while | 15:54 |
| ikonia | LjL: I agree, but you need to break it once to learn to backup | 15:55 |
| LjL | ikonia: eh, i still don't backup and i've had my share of bad experiences :) | 15:57 |
| LjL | i cope with it by throwing chairs when a HD with data i care about breaks | 15:58 |
| ikonia | I'm pretty good now | 15:58 |
| ikonia | I forgot about my pro-tools data, as it was a seperate system I didn't think to set it up for backups | 15:58 |
| ikonia | lost all that quite recently, cost £300 to get it back | 15:59 |
| ikonia | that was a stark reminder | 15:59 |
| LjL | ikonia: i had a Syquest Sparq drive (similar to a ZIP drive but had 1Gb cartridges), it broke after about 4 months of use | 15:59 |
| LjL | i still have the cartridges, but who knows where i might find a working drive to read them | 15:59 |
| ikonia | ebay ? | 16:00 |
| ikonia | sounds like the iomega jazz drive | 16:00 |
| ZarroBoogs | Tape carts? | 16:00 |
| LjL | yeah, i should keep an eye on ebay but i haven't | 16:00 |
| LjL | ZarroBoogs: no, disks | 16:00 |
| ikonia | pici is in disguise | 16:01 |
| ZarroBoogs | I am. | 16:01 |
| ZarroBoogs | I'm in training in Texas with no ssh access. | 16:01 |
| * ikonia nick's pici | 16:01 | |
| ikonia | ooh what's your training on ? | 16:01 |
| ZarroBoogs | And don't feel like ghosting my other connection. | 16:01 |
| ikonia | anything interesting | 16:01 |
| ZarroBoogs | DBA class for a financial system that my company bought. | 16:02 |
| LjL | sounds not very interesting | 16:02 |
| ZarroBoogs | Its a file based system masquerading as a rdbms. | 16:02 |
| ikonia | uugh | 16:03 |
| ikonia | sqlite then ;) | 16:03 |
| ZarroBoogs | Worse. | 16:03 |
| ikonia | ooh | 16:03 |
| ikonia | maybe ubottu should be run on it | 16:03 |
| LjL | ikonia: i think he means every record is a file, or something like that :) | 16:03 |
| LjL | sorry, "tuple" | 16:03 |
| ZarroBoogs | pedant | 16:04 |
| LjL | ZarroBoogs: i'm the president of the pedants' club. come JOIN us! | 16:05 |
| LjL | can be done with natural join | 16:05 |
| ZarroBoogs | Every record is a colon delimited line on a file. The system runs on MUMPS, but has a SQL-like interface for report writing. | 16:06 |
| LjL | ZarroBoogs: colon delimited - is it written in BASIC? | 16:06 |
| ZarroBoogs | MUMPS... its an evil language | 16:06 |
| LjL | the name sounds bad. | 16:06 |
| ZarroBoogs | I hope to never need to learn it. | 16:07 |
| LjL | hope is all you have left MWAHAHAHA | 16:07 |
| ZarroBoogs | http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/A_Case_of_the_MUMPS.aspx | 16:07 |
| ikonia | the daily wtf ???? ha ha | 16:07 |
| ZarroBoogs | ikonia: great site, you'd like it. | 16:08 |
| LjL | ZarroBoogs: well, it does sound very much like BASIC anyway | 16:08 |
| ikonia | 10 print "you're record has been updated" | 16:08 |
| ikonia | 20 goto 10 | 16:08 |
| ikonia | 30 run | 16:08 |
| ikonia | "your" before LJL gets in | 16:09 |
| ZarroBoogs | The code is so ugly looking... its like brainfsck + asm | 16:09 |
| LjL | a tad fortran-ish too | 16:09 |
| LjL | well, more than a tad | 16:10 |
| ZarroBoogs | I'll see if I can expose some of it by breaking a query and I'll paste it somewhere. | 16:10 |
| ikonia | sounds delightful | 16:11 |
| LjL | ZarroBoogs: why do companies buy software like that? is it plain idiocy, or does it have to do with the programmer being a relative of the CEO or such? | 16:11 |
| ZarroBoogs | LjL: Because the product works. | 16:11 |
| ikonia | LjL: I think thats normally because the boss plays golf with the software company owner and gets a back hander | 16:11 |
| LjL | ZarroBoogs: for how long will it, a week? | 16:11 |
| ikonia | italian=/back hander/bribe | 16:11 |
| LjL | ikonia: in italy we just call that "business" actually | 16:12 |
| ikonia | ha ha ha | 16:12 |
| ikonia | falling off chair laughing | 16:12 |
| ZarroBoogs | LjL: The old system didn't really let us bill patients. See, businesses need to make money sometimes... | 16:14 |
| * LjL rolls eyes | 16:16 | |
| * ZarroBoogs catches, rolls back | 16:16 | |
| * ikonia commits | 16:16 | |
| * LjL drops table | 16:17 | |
| * LjL commits | 16:17 | |
| * LjL overwrites backup tape | 16:17 | |
| * ikonia sends backup tape to shadeslayer for recovery | 16:18 | |
| * genii sips | 16:18 | |
| LjL | heehee | 16:18 |
| genii | LjL: I thought you lived dangerously and didn't make backups? | 16:18 |
| LjL | genii: yes but i was talking about pici's tape | 16:18 |
| genii | Aaaaah | 16:18 |
| ZarroBoogs | I have no tape | 16:19 |
| ikonia | get some of ljl - he doesn't use it | 16:19 |
| LjL | ikonia: is it a good idea? i only have several-times-written-over C64 tapes. | 16:20 |
| ikonia | solid meida | 16:20 |
| ikonia | media | 16:20 |
| ZarroBoogs | We have some sort of magnetic CD-like disks for one of our old systems at work. I forget what the real name for them is, but they look like the old cdrom cartridges before cdrom drives had the trays on them. | 16:21 |
| ikonia | ZarroBoogs: ahhh that was a media I think sun developed | 16:22 |
| ikonia | ZarroBoogs: many years ago , cartridge with an optical disk in | 16:22 |
| ikonia | used to have them on early sun boxes, very expensive | 16:22 |
| LjL | ikonia: yes well sure tried and trusted, but still 120-minutes oxide tapes originally used for (clipping) music nonetheless | 16:23 |
| ikonia | LjL: I'm sure I could get a text file on there | 16:23 |
| LjL | ikonia: oh yeah of course you can - you should buy my software to do that. it's a tape modem that interfaces with the soundcard, and it's got error correction | 16:23 |
| * ikonia opens wallet | 16:24 | |
| LjL | ikonia: it's very advanced. when it detects an error (such as you gently tapping on the tape that - that generally triggers an error) it says "Please stop tape, trying all possible byte combinations until XOR sum matches" | 16:24 |
| LjL | (and i'm not making this up) | 16:24 |
| LjL | s/tape that/tape deck/ | 16:25 |
| ikonia | LjL: thought it may have been an 01/04 bit of software ;) | 16:25 |
| LjL | ikonia: didn't catch the reference | 16:26 |
| ikonia | april 01 | 16:26 |
| LjL | ah right | 16:26 |
| LjL | but no | 16:26 |
| ikonia | wow | 16:26 |
| LjL | i've written that thing for real | 16:26 |
| LjL | bunch of years ago | 16:26 |
| LjL | ikonia: you see, it's been my dream for a number of years to make a modem out of a soundcard, since my parents wouldn't buy me a real modem | 16:26 |
| ikonia | need is the mother of invention | 16:27 |
| LjL | ikonia: i never managed to write a working one until i actually got a *real* modem to begin with, but then i still had the fixation, so i made a tape modem instead | 16:27 |
| LjL | ikonia: you could fit about 4 megs on it iirc | 16:27 |
| ikonia | *cough* nerd *cough* | 16:27 |
| LjL | except you'd get error if you merely looked at the deck | 16:27 |
| ikonia | LjL: love it, what a cool think to build | 16:27 |
| LjL | ikonia: well, i should resume working on it, now that i've found out that my tape deck actually *has* a remote control sensor (although it was sold with no remote control), so i can control it via infrared from my computer | 16:28 |
| LjL | ikonia: that would be SO cool because i could make it use a real filesystem, automatically doing fast forward and rewind as needed | 16:28 |
| ikonia | ha ha ha, that is getting slick now | 16:29 |
| ikonia | LjL: you've impressed me | 16:29 |
| ikonia | (I'm waiting to hear april fool) | 16:29 |
| LjL | ikonia: nonono | 16:30 |
| ikonia | must dash, home time | 16:31 |
| ikonia | laters guys/gals | 16:31 |
| LjL | ikonia: i'll get the sourcecode from my 486 to show you it's real :P | 16:31 |
| ikonia | LjL: I do believe you | 16:31 |
| LjL | after i just said i have sourcecode on a 486? that's very brave of you | 16:32 |
| ikonia | I have faith in what you say | 16:32 |
| LjL | ikonia: rightly so. the 486 is real - http://ljl.byethost14.com/keyboard.ogv | 16:35 |
| ikonia | ughhh | 16:35 |
| ikonia | I'm out of here now that everything has shut down, keep an eye on +1 will you superdweeb has a bit of an attitude on him and it's getting a bit offtopic in there | 16:36 |
| jussi01 | Pricey: ping | 17:00 |
| === tNsfOYeH is now known as LjL | ||
| genii | Hm | 18:06 |
| jpds | cat /dev/random > LjL | 18:13 |
| === weTD`uFw is now known as LjL | ||
| LjL | gnnnn | 18:14 |
| * genii pokes LjL with a pointy stick | 18:14 | |
| LjL | deep breath | 18:15 |
| LjL | SO i was saying | 18:15 |
| LjL | [19:11:08] <LjL> uh?! [19:11:17] <LjL> i just finally looked at the logs of this morning's attack attempt [19:11:23] <LjL> how did so many bots manage to join? | 18:15 |
| === Ubotwo` is now known as Ubotwo | ||
| Flannel | What on earth just happened? | 18:29 |
| LjL | where who? | 18:30 |
| jussi01 | ?? | 18:30 |
| Flannel | Not really sure. I disconnected from mozilla and oftc... but the strangest thing was that my ssh froze, and then I could reconnect, but couldn't reattach. | 18:31 |
| Flannel | And, apparently network funness happened to LjL too? | 18:31 |
| Flannel | Maybe not. | 18:31 |
| LjL | yeah but i definitely think it was my ISP in my case | 18:31 |
| LjL | it's happening a lot lately | 18:31 |
| LjL | and their support line has a recorded message saying they're doing maintenance | 18:32 |
| LjL | i *am* getting pretty annoyed about it by now, but | 18:32 |
| * genii blames the Conficker.D | 18:32 | |
| LjL | nah, it's happened for a week :) | 18:32 |
| genii | Hm "y i become an error log?" is a tough one | 18:34 |
| Pricey | jussi01: pong | 18:38 |
| jussi01 | Pricey: pong - see pm | 18:42 |
| * Pricey switches to newest PM and see's "eeeeeeeeeeeeeeee"... hm thats not you | 18:44 | |
| ikonia | note for the logs, I removed 17:12 < Superdweeb> do you want the april-fools version or the actual channel? | 18:59 |
| ikonia | superdweeb from +1 he came in asking about sexual 3 somes as an "april fools joke" | 18:59 |
| ikonia | I asked him to stop and he maintained with comments about #ubuntu-I'm-a-stupid-user-channel style comments | 19:00 |
| ikonia | just for the record when he comes in complaining | 19:00 |
| ikonia | he's on a forward not a ban so he should end up here at some point | 19:01 |
| ikonia | LjL: nice catch with chronic in #deb | 19:56 |
| === mechanic is now known as the_mechanic | ||
| ikonia | the_mechanic: hey, how can we help ? | 20:09 |
| the_mechanic | im going actually, im automatically signed into this room. thanks tho | 20:10 |
| ikonia | @bansearch the_mechanic | 20:10 |
| ubottu | Match: *!?=mechanic@*!#ubuntu-ops by LjL in #ubuntu on Mar 26 2009 21:52:57 (ID: 11656) | 20:10 |
| ikonia | ah | 20:10 |
| genii | Please, whoever's responsible. Make ubuntuforums not lime-green. I'm getting a headache. | 20:38 |
| Amaranth | genii: there is a dropdown on the bottom to change it | 20:38 |
| genii | Amaranth: Thanks | 20:39 |
| LjL | they've made it green now? | 20:39 |
| Amaranth | april fools | 20:39 |
| Amaranth | it's a stupid thing | 20:39 |
| * genii curses cleanv2af | 20:39 | |
| LjL | Amaranth: yes, but it was pink an hour ago | 20:40 |
| LjL | (they do it every year btw9 | 20:40 |
| Amaranth | ljL: different parts are different colors | 20:40 |
| LjL | the home page was pink before | 20:40 |
| genii | LjL: Lime/neon green. I was getting a migraine | 20:40 |
| * Seeker` thinks he should tell #u to /j #20,000 for an april fools joke | 20:40 | |
| LjL | now it's green | 20:40 |
| LjL | Seeker`: won't work on my client | 20:40 |
| Amaranth | Seeker`: err, what will that do? | 20:40 |
| Seeker` | Amaranth: give it a go :D | 20:41 |
| Amaranth | doesn't that get you klined? | 20:41 |
| Seeker` | don't know | 20:41 |
| Seeker` | not that I know of | 20:41 |
| LjL | i think he did it. | 20:41 |
| Seeker` | me to | 20:42 |
| Seeker` | o | 20:42 |
| genii | I wonder if they went there | 20:42 |
| LjL | *and* his client doesn't filter it. | 20:42 |
| Seeker` | is that going to really annoy him? | 20:42 |
| Seeker` | wb | 20:42 |
| Amaranth | interesting | 20:42 |
| Amaranth | Why does it do that? | 20:42 |
| LjL | Seeker`: eh, twas his choice to run it | 20:42 |
| Seeker` | Amaranth: /j has the syntax /j <channel>,<channel>,...,<channel> | 20:42 |
| Amaranth | Seeker`: Also, any channel I have access in that you don't: you're banned | 20:43 |
| Amaranth | Right, but why would joining #20 and 000 disconnect you? | 20:43 |
| Seeker` | so it is equivalent to /j #20 then /j 000 | 20:43 |
| Seeker` | some clients (cant remember if its in the RFC) interpret /j 0 to mean "part all channels" | 20:43 |
| Amaranth | #20 is the bot channel that gets you killed then? | 20:43 |
| Amaranth | No, it didn't part all channels, it disconnected from the server | 20:43 |
| LjL | it parted all channels | 20:44 |
| Amaranth | it did both then | 20:44 |
| LjL | [21:41:47] <-- Amaranth has left this channel. | 20:44 |
| Amaranth | Because I had to reconnect then rejoin all channels manually | 20:44 |
| Seeker` | it shouldn't have disconnected you | 20:44 |
| Seeker` | Amaranth: what client do you use? | 20:44 |
| Amaranth | xchat-gnome | 20:44 |
| genii | Probably could have just re joined | 20:44 |
| Amaranth | my "FreeNode" was greyed out like when it is disconnected | 20:44 |
| Seeker` | I believe irssi filters it | 20:44 |
| Amaranth | And now I have to abuse it | 20:45 |
| Seeker` | Amaranth: how? | 20:45 |
| Amaranth | see offtopic | 20:46 |
| LjL | err | 20:46 |
| LjL | one thing is mentioning it here... | 20:46 |
| LjL | but i normally ban without reserve someone who does it in -ot | 20:46 |
| ubottu | Amaranth called the ops in #ubuntu-offtopic (WastePotato) | 20:51 |
| Amaranth | wtf | 20:52 |
| ikonia | ? | 20:52 |
| Amaranth | I didn't call any ops | 20:52 |
| Seeker` | methinks someone has played with the factoid | 20:52 |
| Seeker` | @login | 20:56 |
| ubottu | The operation succeeded. | 20:56 |
| LjL2 | Seeker`: yeah... amaranth himself did, originally | 20:57 |
| Seeker` | LjL2: sounds fun | 20:57 |
| Seeker` | !seeker | 20:57 |
| ubottu | Something stupid this way comes | 20:57 |
| Seeker` | !seeker | 21:16 |
| ubottu | Something stupid this way comes | 21:16 |
| === LjL2 is now known as bot34234 | ||
| Seeker` | bot34234: ? | 21:19 |
| LjL | eeeh, nevermind :) | 21:19 |
| Seeker` | ... | 21:19 |
| LjL | Seeker`: i'm trying to get a k-line in a nutshell | 21:19 |
| * genii sips and contemplates this oddness | 21:20 | |
| Seeker` | LjL: why? | 21:20 |
| LjL | Seeker`: check #freenode's backlog | 21:20 |
| Seeker` | doesn't joining certain channels do that? | 21:20 |
| LjL | who knows... anyway, it's not that | 21:21 |
| Pricey | 20:04:20 <+Pricey> AfterDeath: you realise the rule is that you're the fool for the entire year if you try and fool after midday? | 21:21 |
| LjL | Pricey: yeah, but getting k-lined is not an april's fool :< | 21:22 |
| LjL | it's, just, making an april's fool funnier :P | 21:22 |
| jussi01 | meh its easy to get a kline... | 21:23 |
| genii | Do some mass join in #freenode or so | 21:23 |
| LjL | jussi01: yeah well amaranth's attempt was good | 21:24 |
| LjL | still he managed to stay connected | 21:24 |
| Seeker` | what did Amaranth do? | 21:25 |
| LjL | Seeker`: /join #20,000 in various places? | 21:25 |
| Seeker` | is that k-lineable? | 21:25 |
| Pricey | yeah we watched that one... but we're too smart for him | 21:26 |
| Seeker` | where else did he say it? | 21:26 |
| * Pricey needs to read backlog | 21:27 | |
| * genii makes a large urn of coffee before /away | 22:05 | |
| topyli | looks like people are getting pretty annoyed with watchbot on -ot | 22:25 |
| Seeker` | LjL: is watchbot at all automatic | 22:29 |
| LjL | Seeker`: no, i couldn't be arsed training it with trolls' messages | 22:30 |
| LjL | it was just me trying to be quick at typing. | 22:30 |
| Seeker` | awww | 22:30 |
| LjL | topyli: et tu brute? | 22:30 |
| LjL | Seeker`: but - i could have done it, metabot can do that, i just didn't want to bother finding troll's stuff to feed it : | 22:30 |
| topyli | meh | 22:31 |
| Seeker` | LjL: fair enough | 22:31 |
| Seeker` | LjL: let me know if you ever do that | 22:31 |
| LjL | Seeker`: meh, it wouldn't have a rate of false positives much better than mine, i assure you | 22:32 |
| Seeker` | LjL: I know :D | 22:32 |
| jussi01 | topyli: you around? | 22:35 |
| topyli | jussi01: yep, getting ready for bed but still here | 22:35 |
| jussi01 | topyli: can you quickly check who won the ice hockey for me? (kärpät game) | 22:36 |
| topyli | sure, hold on :) | 22:36 |
| nalioth | Seeker`: you don't want to find "those channels' | 22:36 |
| nalioth | Seeker`: there are far worse things than k-lines | 22:37 |
| Seeker` | such as? | 22:37 |
| nalioth | i can't tell you | 22:37 |
| Seeker` | O.o | 22:37 |
| jussi01 | "if I tell you I have to kill you"... | 22:37 |
| jussi01 | :P | 22:37 |
| topyli | jussi01: 4-1 for blues :-O | 22:38 |
| jussi01 | wow | 22:38 |
| topyli | in oulu, no less | 22:38 |
| jussi01 | wedll that means they play here on saturday... | 22:38 |
| topyli | games are now 2-2 | 22:38 |
| jussi01 | :) | 22:38 |
| * jussi01 goes to claim free ticket | 22:38 | |
| jussi01 | :D | 22:38 |
| topyli | whee | 22:38 |
| Seeker` | it seems nalioth can't stand being in a channel with exactly 3 people | 22:42 |
| nalioth | no, i am acting in accordance with the date | 22:42 |
| nalioth | DONTCHA KNOW?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? | 22:43 |
| nalioth | OMGDOZERS!! | 22:43 |
| Seeker` | LOLCHAT | 22:43 |
| * jussi01 wonders if ikonia is around... | 22:43 | |
| ikonia | yes I am | 22:45 |
| ikonia | just about to go to bed | 22:45 |
| ikonia | what's up? | 22:46 |
| Myrtti | tonyyarusso: I love you | 22:46 |
| Myrtti | EXCELLENT --> http://www.najle.com/idaft/ <-- WONDERFUL | 22:47 |
| tonyyarusso | :) | 22:47 |
| Nephilus | Is ikonia afk? | 22:59 |
| LjL | Nephilus: ehm, i think he just went to bed | 23:01 |
| Nephilus | :( darn | 23:01 |
| Nephilus | oh well | 23:01 |
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