[01:02] lp is up [01:03] ! [01:04] Riddell: looks like -workspace will need a rebuild [01:04] maco: alsa-info.sh? [01:05] jjesse: http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh [01:05] dtchen: thanks [01:05] jjesse: note: it's a bash script. [01:07] is there a site for nm-pasmoid showing what's supposed to work? [01:08] not that I know of [01:08] vorian: launchpad just timing out here [01:09] dtchen: i try to run the script and it errors out before i can reply to yes i wnat to run the script am i doing something wrong? [01:10] jjesse: what command are you using? [01:10] \o rgreening [01:10] sh alsa-info.sh [01:10] right, that's /bin/dash not /bin/bash [01:10] so, bash alsa-info.sh [01:10] ah silly me [01:10] sorry being retarted tonight [01:10] o\ [01:10] o/ JontheEchidna [01:11] sup? [01:11] headed out for supper [01:11] nada. been sooo messed up this week. can barely move [01:11] hey folks, trying to run firefox 3.1 after a dist-upgrade (kubuntu jaunty) I'm getting this error when running in cli: "Could not find compatible GRE between version 1.9.1b3 and 1.9.1b3." any thoughts please [01:11] rgreening: :( [01:11] Well if it makes you feel any better we were wondering where you were [01:11] mmm supper [01:12] mmmm [01:12] JontheEchidna: yeah, was helping some guys with a film shoot, and moving the set around and doing the boom mic, wrecked my neck/back [01:12] ok uploaded: http://tinyurl.com/deo6au [01:12] owwowow [01:12] anyone? [01:13] yeah.. I wasn't any help this time around for 4.2.2 [01:13] :( [01:13] there's always next month, and every month for forever :D [01:16] So, does anybody know of any good "free as in software" wallpapers for: storm, hail, snow, sleet, and a clear night? [01:17] high resolutions preferred [01:18] interfacelift? you can contact the artist for license info [01:19] JontheEchidna: also, I DEMAND a 3840x1080 option [01:20] or I will commit it myself [01:20] O.o [01:20] For half of the wallpapers I'm using the wallpapers in kdebase-workspace-wallpapers, so that I don't have to package them myself [01:20] :P [01:20] and kdewallpapers [01:21] hmmm [01:21] which I think is funkily named in comparison with the other packages [01:22] JontheEchidna: here's one you can use http://machinecrusade.net/deathstar.jpg [01:23] this one too http://machinecrusade.net/100_2152.JPG [01:23] the second one is actually mine [01:23] if m_democratInOffice { m_wallpaper = deathstar.png} [01:23] :P [01:23] haha [01:23] || m_republicanInOffice, I dun really care [01:24] i'd prefere the deathstar, more fun for less traffic ;) [01:24] though you just gave me a very good idea for an april fools joke [01:24] \o/ [01:24] crap [01:24] I hope it's not too late... [01:24] here it is... [01:24] i totally forgot about oour little prank [01:25] oooh, that second one would be nice for freezing rain [01:25] yay! [01:25] that was what my trees looked like _before_ the power went out [01:27] heh [01:29] um, so after KDE 4.2 all my file icons lost their mimetype icons [01:30] this could turn really shitty really fast [01:30] *4.2.2 [01:30] JontheEchidna: no -workspace yet? [01:30] icons aren't in workspace [01:30] well ring my bell [01:32] in some places they have reverted to crystal svg [01:41] mime icons working here [01:52] vorian: for teh lulz: http://jtechinda.blogspot.com/2009/04/plasma-awesomeness-wallpaper.html [01:53] \o/ [01:53] JontheEchidna rocks [01:53] * JontheEchidna just updated it [01:53] haha [01:53] this is the best line [01:53] " [01:53] This will become the default wallpaper plugin for KDE 4.3, and for every KDE 4.x release that Obama's in office. (Which will probably be forever) [01:54] " [01:54] That one was a last minute edit [01:54] JontheEchidna: is that going on the planets? [01:54] yus [01:55] if so, get ready for major hate comments [01:55] hehe [01:55] so, planets. Maybe you'd call that the FOSS solar system? [01:55] :) [01:56] that works [01:56] * vorian still has yet to utilize his kde foo [01:56] I've pre-emptively decided to baleet all political comments that go beyond "ha ha", so if users want the right to not have their comments deleted by free-speech-hating me, they can just not post [01:56] jjesse: you should mute both 'Analog Loopback' instances [01:57] :o [01:58] * JontheEchidna goes to watch lost === brunocqc is now known as brunoqc [03:07] vorian: btw, what would you like the world-visible name of this wallpaper to be? [03:07] Icy Tree? [05:02] hey [05:04] on the new networking plasmoid for the beta, when you plug in a 3g wireless usb modem is it meant to configure by itself [05:05] the thing i have a Virgin wireless modem, and when you put it in windows it comes up with an installer, when i plug it in kubuntu beta it doesnt give me any options, it doe detect a generic modem type, but it doesnt do anything [05:05] anyway not sure what im meant to do to get it to work === rnM_LFml is now known as LjL [07:09] morning [07:09] just trying to upgrade Jaunty to kde 4.2.2 and I was wondering [07:10] why does it try to install round 20 gnome packages I really don't need and I uninstalled before? [07:24] the problem is, as long as there is pulseaudio, I loose my sound at regular intervals [07:24] that was no problem in Intrepid, I just pushed it down in Phonon [07:24] now it's just killing my sound all the time and shows up atsecond place in the Phonon list [07:26] and no way to remove libpulse0, it tries to remove half of kde, thoe dependencies are weired [07:26] I asked about it in the kde channels where I was told that I should be able to remove it completely, so it's likely to be a Kubuntu packaging issue [07:30] hi there :) [07:31] the culprit is kdegraphics, it doesn't mention the dependencies in the list, but calls for around 20 gnome packages to be installed [07:32] hi Tonio [07:33] ok, off to OpenExpo again later [07:33] Riddell: could you have a look at the above please? [07:33] hey Mamarok [07:34] am I thed only one who has a problem with the kmenu ? [07:34] doesn't close when loosing focus here... === rraphink is now known as raphink [08:29] Hi [09:52] Nightrose: honey bun, are you around? [09:52] I am sweety :) [09:52] wasup? [09:53] * Riddell points towards a room [09:53] :P [09:53] hmm, launchpad still all broken [09:55] right room it is! [09:55] Nightrose: you got an eee, don't you? ... mind looking at bug 345492 [09:55] Launchpad bug 345492 in kdebase-workspace "KDE 4.2 PowerDevil daemon doesn't work after suspend/resume" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/345492 [09:56] Riddell: bugs work [09:56] apachelogger: ok let me have a look [09:56] i am on intrepid on my eeepc [09:56] is that ok? [10:00] Nightrose: as long as it is KDE 4.2 [10:00] it does [10:00] * Nightrose starts it [10:00] if you don't get the problem in 8.10 with KDE 4.2 it is most likely an issue with the backend [10:01] uhm [10:02] Riddell: did the change in kdm.ini from bug 298592 got lost or something? [10:02] Launchpad bug 298592 in kdebase-workspace "KDM can't use language choosen in systemsettings" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/298592 [10:04] apachelogger: worksforme - i don't have guidence-pm installed [10:04] dunno if he has [10:04] i tested plugging in power after suspend to ram [10:05] and i got a notification [10:05] * apachelogger hates bug reports [10:05] Nightrose: ok, thx [10:05] * a|wen creates a translation-spam folder and adds a rule in kmail [10:05] oh my god they are annoying [10:06] apachelogger: also i have packages from array.org and a 710 eeepc [10:06] no idea if any of this matters [10:08] possibly [10:08] but that would support the theory that it's a backend issue and not related to KDE [10:10] apachelogger: I couldn't say [10:10] bleh [10:10] Riddell: it works here [10:11] repeat: I hate bug reports === mgraesslin_ is now known as mgraesslin [10:59] ooh, we can have multiple PPAs for teams/people now! :) [11:04] vorian: batgetorig is flawed :P [11:05] the removal of reviveDir should have been a replacement with dir_revive [11:17] maco: your way to trigger our heisenbug is just selecting multiple buffers and temporarily hide them? [11:48] JontheEchidna, a|wen: bug 353678 [11:48] Launchpad bug 353678 in kdebase "Konqueror does not appear as a choice in update-alternatives" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/353678 [11:48] should be easy to resolve [11:48] bah! who decided to disable ctr-alt-backspace by default? that really sucks! [11:53] freinhard: you have an option to turn it on again in kubuntu [11:54] freinhard you can do the same with Alt + Impr + k [11:54] apachelogger: i'll look at it if nobody beats me to it tomorrow [11:58] EagleScreen: thx. [11:59] bah [11:59] enough bugs for now [11:59] * apachelogger is going crazy here [11:59] + hungry [12:01] the nm-widget got a timeout for kwallet? just had a typo in the password, went away from the pc, entered the right password but the nm-widget didn't autoconnect to the wlan. clicked on the wlan and it asked for the WPA password. known behaviour? [12:16] anyone had problems recently with new kernel installs? the last 2 out of 2 or 3 new kernels my machine hangs during installing the package failing to install all of it leaving me with a machine that won't boot (unless i use a previous kernel ofcourse) [12:37] maco: please ping me when you're available [12:52] freinhard: that doesnt surprise me especially [12:52] seaLne: I've not seen that [13:01] yeah its weird [13:31] is gtk-qt-engine the recommended way to fix firefox fonts in Jaunty? [13:33] It works fine for me if under GTK Styles I choose "Use my KDE style in GTK applications" but it refuses to remember that setting after a reboot or a KDE restart [13:33] The preferred method is to choose QtCurve as you GTK font in that module [13:34] QtCurve follows your KDE font settings too [13:35] ok I still think's a bug that it won;t remember the setting but let me see if it will remember that, it defaults to "qt4" [13:36] We're manually taking out gtk-qt-engine configuration since it's so buggy [13:36] you can uninstall gtk2-engines-qtcurve if you really want to use gtk-qt-engine and have the config stick, though [13:38] I'd rather do what you guys prefer, so you are saying to just uninstall gtk-qt-engine? [13:39] aye [13:39] + that bug is reported [13:44] apachelogger, so not that package is gone, how do I force Firefox to use KDE fonts? [13:45] s/not/now [13:45] apt-cache search qtcruve [13:45] qtcurve even === sabdfl1 is now known as sabdfl [13:47] I see 3 things, gtk2-engines-qucurve, kde-style-qtcurve, and kwin-style-qtcurve [13:48] that latter two are already installed [13:52] err the first two rather, of the 3 kwin-style-qtcurve is not installed [14:09] clearly I don;t understand something, after removing gtk2-engines-qtcurve and installing every qtcurve package and selecting "QtCurve" widget style my firefox fonts in the tabs etc are still wonky [14:09] the fonts in the browser look ok though, it's just all the other fonts in the menus, tabs etc that are hosed [14:11] jrdnyquist: you need to relogin [14:15] I restarted KDM and relogged in (a few times :P ) [14:16] lemme try restarting with a fresh .mozilla config folder [14:21] Nightrose: bug 224461 [14:21] Launchpad bug 224461 in kdebase-workspace "Kubuntu do not show date and time in the correct format" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/224461 [14:22] jrdnyquist: nuke .gtkrc-2.0 [14:22] or whatever its name is [14:22] very strange. after every relogin... the widget style goes back to Oxygen (i had it set for QtCurve) if I change it and relog, same deal so firefox can never pick it up I guess? [14:22] hmm I'll try that [14:23] apachelogger: hmmm? i only have a english system here and it seems fine [14:23] * apachelogger smacks synergy [14:23] Nightrose: bug 353801 sry [14:23] Launchpad bug 353801 in amarok "Amarok is inconsistent in its treatment of the word "the"" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/353801 [14:23] k [14:24] apachelogger: we both know there is never going to be an option for that ;-) [14:25] yeah same deal, the widget style always reverts back to Oxygen [14:25] jrdnyquist: QtCurve sorta looks like Oxygen, so that could be it [14:26] no when I go back to the apperance settings... the selection defaults back to Oxygen, not QtCurve [14:26] ah [14:26] morning [14:26] moin [14:26] so I reset it, but it requires a relogin, which then defaults back again... catch 22 [14:28] it's the same behavior I was seeing with gtk2-engines-qtcurve [14:28] it won't remember things I set in the appearance -> style menu [14:30] "things" meaning the widget style, haven;t testing anything else yet [14:31] Sput: what's up? [14:35] Nightrose: well, sorting, honey, sorting [14:35] maco: if you still can consistently trigger that heisenbug, could you please run your quasselclient with --debugmodel and paste the contents somewhere? [14:35] Nightrose: why does mr. amarok group the thes? [14:35] *the output [14:35] apachelogger: i have no idea - Nikolaj is the one to ask ;-) [14:35] i am too tired for that [14:35] should go take a nap [14:36] Oo [14:36] weird [14:37] * apachelogger considers going out for a cup of coffee [14:37] mmm coffee [14:37] i'm on my second mug [14:40] Riddell, a|wen, JontheEchidna: fix for bug 224461 pushed ... also uploaded to kubuntu-experimental ... please conduct test ... usually it should treat anycase from no $LANG, unparsable $LANG to completely valid $LANG ... in addition to that I made it accept an unavailable Country= in kdeglobals as alternative case to no kdeglobals at all [14:40] Launchpad bug 224461 in kdebase-workspace "Kubuntu do not show date and time in the correct format" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/224461 [14:40] so both new installations and updates should get the proper value [14:41] Sput: ok [14:51] go go apachelogger shell scripting! [14:57] fix for bug 352946 also pushed [14:57] Launchpad bug 352946 in kdebase-workspace "gtk-qt-engine's .gtkrc-2.0-kde4 gets deleted" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/352946 [14:57] * apachelogger is always fixing other people's bugs ;-) [15:02] yay [15:17] ah I guess this is the bug I'm seeing [15:17] https://bugs.launchpad.net/kdebase/+bug/281016 [15:17] Launchpad bug 281016 in kdebase "QtCurve style is not remembered" [Unknown,Confirmed] [15:27] so when kde4 starts, if overwrites ~/.kde/share/config/kdeglobals and removes "widgetStyle=qtcurve" under [General] [15:28] bummer [15:33] Quote: "Mandriva and Suse and maybe even Fedora do a better job than Canonical with KDE" [15:33] that is such bullshit [15:33] I have recently, as in this week, tried out the different distros and KDE 4 [15:33] THEY ARE ALL THE SAME, JUST LOOK DIFFERENT! [15:34] none works better than the other...I am tired of people who have no clue wtf they are talking about keep putting us down because it has become a trend [15:36] jrdnyquist: are you on intrepid? [15:36] nope Jaunty with all updates applied as of 30 mins ago (all the 4.2.2 stuff) [15:38] hm [15:38] uh [15:38] uhm! [15:38] JontheEchidna: ^ [15:38] seems like a show stopper type bug [15:38] we seriously should fix that [15:38] jrdnyquist: nah, you actually just need qtcurve for GTK [15:38] not KDE [15:38] yeah, that only affects the KDE QtCurve theme [15:38] it looks very similar to Oxygen anyway nowadays [15:38] mine is in there [15:38] JontheEchidna: still needs to be fixed for 9.04 [15:39] widgetStyle=oxygen [15:39] couldn't stand that qtcurve garbage..sorry :( [15:40] I'm just trying to figure out how to fix the fonts in FF w/o using gtk2-engines-qtcurve [15:41] suggestion was to use the qtcurve widget style but it keeps removing it from kdeglobals on a relog [15:41] it hates widgetStyle=qtcurve [15:42] JontheEchidna: can we close bug 268772 ? [15:42] Launchpad bug 268772 in kubuntu-default-settings "Toolbar Icon Label Default Setting | QA Testing" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/268772 [15:43] for which package? [15:43] jrdnyquist: you just need gtk2-engines-qtcurve [15:43] startkde will handle everything else [15:43] JontheEchidna: kde4libs, the other one is upstream :P [15:43] launchpad was being slow-as [15:43] s [15:43] should be individual bug report [15:44] the upstream bug is still open, so... === thunderstruck is now known as gnomefreak [15:44] well, unlik the upstream bug [15:44] unlink [15:44] apachelogger, I had a similar issue with gtk2-engines-qtcurve, it would not remember what I set on a relog [15:44] that's how this all started :) [15:44] you don't need to set anything [15:45] err [15:45] hmm that is installed [15:45] JontheEchidna: if you have doubt it has been fixed ... reopen bug 136145 ;-) [15:45] Launchpad bug 136145 in exaile "Resizable Columns do not work" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/136145 [15:45] kde bug 136145 even [15:45] KDE bug 136145 in IMAP "Crash when saving some (but not all) IMAP attachments at once" [Crash,Resolved: fixed] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=136145 [15:46] sorry was having issues with gtk-qt-engine (now removed) earlier not gtk2-engines-qtcurve [15:47] hi all, just found this strange bug: 353856 [15:47] well, just reported it, the bot seems not avare of it yet :) [15:47] only the upper third of the panel is visible [15:48] them is Oxygen, but same behaviour in Elgance and others [15:48] some widget is messing with the layout maybe? [15:48] what widgets do you have in the panel? [15:48] JontheEchidna: talking to me? [15:48] Mamarok_: yup === thunderstruck is now known as gnomefreak [15:49] well, there is the Network Management and the Last plugged in widget, the latter doesn't show at all [15:49] I didn't change my settings since I updated to Beta [15:57] JontheEchidna: bug 107642 [15:57] Launchpad bug 107642 in kdebase "Restart to another grub entry locks screen in Kubuntu" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/107642 [15:57] do we want to fix it? [15:57] the whole feature is quite ewwwww [15:57] grub1 is even more ewwwwwww [15:57] I agree [15:57] and that i have to even thinkg about both kdm and grub1 makes me wanna ewwww [15:58] why we don't use grub2? [15:58] at least we should remove the config option from the GUI [15:59] JontheEchidna: 50 bucks it will get lost in a merge [15:59] besides, then people will come whine about kdmrc does not apply the setting [15:59] Quintasan: cause it is pre-alpha [16:00] :/ [16:01] Sput: it doenst seem to crash with --debugmodel :( [16:01] * a|wen wonders why the fast mirrors here are so slow at updating ... still no kde4.2.2 packages for me [16:02] maco: well doing the Heisenbug mantra, you are [16:02] yeah well im off to gnome so i can use pulseaudio [16:02] maco: and it still crashes without --debugmodel? [16:03] * Sput has tried all morning to trigger the crash and didn't succeed [16:03] not by hiding buffers :/ [16:04] I just crashed Quassel with hiding temp buffers :/ [16:07] Sput: look what you did ^ :P [16:10] Sput: havent updated it or anything [16:12] Quintasan: please run quasselclient with --debugmodel then :) [16:13] and let it crash again [16:13] sure :3 [16:13] * Sput really wants to hunt down that @#$@@$#% Heisenbug [16:23] Sput: Do you want me to send you the output after crashing? [16:24] pastebin please, yes [16:24] k [16:26] Sput: http://pastebin.ca/1380039 [16:26] Quintasan: I'd love the console output :) [16:27] Sput: sorry, I didn't understand. Do you want the WHOLE output? [16:28] Quintasan: if that's possible, yes [16:28] the backtrace is of little use, we have plenty of those already :/ [16:28] just tells us *something* is wrong in the model chain [16:28] how I redirect all outputs to file? [16:28] 2> filename? [16:29] 2>&1 > filename [16:29] I think [16:29] or was it 2&>1 ? [16:30] 2&>1 >filename it is. [16:30] > filename @>&1 [16:30] or that :) [16:30] err [16:30] > filename 2>&1 [16:32] ok, brb :3 [16:39] Sput: http://wklej.org/id/73353/ [16:39] everything [16:39] very appreaciated, let's hope it's useful to debug the issue further :) [16:40] If you want to get something crashed just ping me, I have m4d skillz for crashing ;) === thunderstruck is now known as gnomefrak === gnomefrak is now known as gnomefreak [16:41] I just wonder how do you understand something from backtrace :3 [16:42] Hey guys, ... I found a datail in kmenu ... [16:42] on click, it doesn't has focus in the textbox [16:43] oh hell lol I just realized control+alt+esc gives the old school skull and cross bones kill process icon [16:44] Quintasan: well, that's the problem, the backtrace isn't sufficient to hunt down the problem :) [16:44] so we're hoping the debug output helps [16:56] Gon: intrepid or jaunty? [16:56] jaunty [16:56] updated [16:59] Gon: updated to 4.2.2? [16:59] yes [17:00] gon@acer:~$ kate --version [17:00] Qt: 4.5.0 [17:00] KDE: 4.2.2 (KDE 4.2.2) [17:00] Kate: 3.2.2 [17:01] works for me here on 4.2.1 ... still in the process of upgrading [17:02] i'm writing this with kmenu displayed... [17:02] :o [17:03] Gon: so clicking on kmenu keeps the previous app in focus? [17:03] yes [17:04] Gon: is all kde upgraded to 4.2.2 and have you restarted afterwards? [17:04] yes [17:06] hmm, that would indeed be a regression ... still has some hours before my machine is updated, so can't test right now [17:07] ok, thanks :B [17:07] apachelogger / JontheEchidna: any of you able to reproduce kmenu not getting focus in kde 4.2.2? ^^ [17:08] yeah, it won't go away when I click away from it either [17:08] * JontheEchidna runs back to classic style [17:24] there is already a report upstream, kde bug 188655 [17:24] KDE bug 188655 in general "kickoff menu doesn't get keyboard focus when opened (4 2 2 regression)" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=188655 [17:28] lol? I don't got this error [17:29] s/got/have/ [17:31] strange... i'll see if i have it when i finally finish downloading the packages (hopefully soon) [17:46] Hallo [17:46] Is KDE having issues starting in Jackalope? [17:52] http://pastebin.com/f9029861 === santiago-pgsql is now known as santiago-ve [17:54] * ScottK decides to upgrade to 4.2.2 (after all, if the laptop breaks, I'll have to go over to the desktop and do actual $WORK). [17:54] I've started KDM and logged in and X doesn't start [17:55] kdm is still running as process [17:55] it dumps me out to TTY1 which is where I'm logging in [17:55] ScottK: please report if the upgrade is lucky [17:55] I can start X with X& export DISPLAY=:0.0 and run xclients [17:56] :-) [17:56] from there I can run startkde and kde starts [17:56] however I cannot get kde to start from KDM [17:57] I pastebinned my ~/.xsession-errors above and tried to get a "clean" xsession-errors but I cannot since a brand new user cannot login to KDE either [17:57] and never gets a xsession-erors [17:57] OK. New kernel, new X, new KDE .... no risk at all. [17:57] errors [17:58] It seems as if Konqueror tries to start and calls flash which prompts KDE to die [17:58] which is kinda ridiculous [17:58] This is KDE 4.2.2 btw [17:59] Why does Jackalope still have kde3 libraries? [18:00] kady: Because not everything is ported to KDE4 yet. [18:00] Well obviously :) but what in a default install of Kubuntu uses it? [18:01] k3b and OOo. [18:01] We had as a goal to get rid of it in the default install and didn't quite get there. [18:02] h [18:03] hmm thought that k3b was usable now [18:03] Test reports were mixed and it's late to make a major change. [18:03] OO.o is obviously going to be a problem for 2-4 releases of Koffice [18:04] The problem with OO.o is their KDE integration is still KDE3 and the KDE4 port is still total fail. [18:04] yeah [18:04] :s [18:04]