[01:02] <freinhard> lp is up
[01:03] <Riddell> !
[01:04] <vorian> Riddell: looks like -workspace will need a rebuild
[01:04] <jjesse> maco: alsa-info.sh?
[01:05] <dtchen> jjesse: http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh
[01:05] <jjesse> dtchen:  thanks
[01:05] <dtchen> jjesse: note: it's a bash script.
[01:07] <freinhard> is there a site for nm-pasmoid showing what's supposed to work?
[01:08] <Riddell> not that I know of
[01:08] <Riddell> vorian: launchpad just timing out here
[01:09] <jjesse> dtchen: i try to run the script and it errors out before i can reply to yes i wnat to run the script am i doing something wrong?
[01:10] <dtchen> jjesse: what command are you using?
[01:10] <JontheEchidna> \o rgreening
[01:10] <jjesse> sh alsa-info.sh
[01:10] <dtchen> right, that's /bin/dash not /bin/bash
[01:10] <dtchen> so, bash alsa-info.sh
[01:10] <jjesse> ah silly me
[01:10] <jjesse> sorry being retarted tonight
[01:10] <rgreening> o\
[01:10] <rgreening> o/ JontheEchidna
[01:11] <JontheEchidna> sup?
[01:11] <dtchen> headed out for supper
[01:11] <rgreening> nada. been sooo messed up this week. can barely move
[01:11] <josh-l> hey folks, trying to run firefox 3.1 after a dist-upgrade (kubuntu jaunty) I'm getting this error when running in cli: "Could not find compatible GRE between version 1.9.1b3 and 1.9.1b3." any thoughts please
[01:11] <JontheEchidna> rgreening: :(
[01:11] <JontheEchidna> Well if it makes you feel any better we were wondering where you were
[01:11] <jjesse> mmm supper
[01:12] <josh-l> mmmm
[01:12] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: yeah, was helping some guys with a film shoot, and moving the set around and doing the boom mic, wrecked my neck/back
[01:12] <jjesse> ok uploaded: http://tinyurl.com/deo6au
[01:12] <JontheEchidna> owwowow
[01:12] <josh-l> anyone?
[01:13] <rgreening> yeah.. I wasn't any help this time around for 4.2.2
[01:13] <rgreening> :(
[01:13] <JontheEchidna> there's always next month, and every month for forever :D
[01:16] <JontheEchidna> So, does anybody know of any good "free as in software" wallpapers for: storm, hail, snow, sleet, and a clear night?
[01:17] <JontheEchidna> high resolutions preferred
[01:18] <vorian> interfacelift? you can contact the artist for license info
[01:19] <vorian> JontheEchidna: also, I DEMAND a 3840x1080 option
[01:20] <vorian> or I will commit it myself
[01:20] <JontheEchidna> O.o
[01:20] <JontheEchidna> For half of the wallpapers I'm using the wallpapers in kdebase-workspace-wallpapers, so that I don't have to package them myself
[01:20] <JontheEchidna> :P
[01:20] <JontheEchidna> and kdewallpapers
[01:21] <vorian> hmmm
[01:21] <JontheEchidna> which I think is funkily named in comparison with the other packages
[01:22] <vorian> JontheEchidna: here's one you can use http://machinecrusade.net/deathstar.jpg
[01:23] <vorian> this one too http://machinecrusade.net/100_2152.JPG
[01:23] <vorian> the second one is actually mine
[01:23] <JontheEchidna> if m_democratInOffice { m_wallpaper = deathstar.png}
[01:23] <JontheEchidna> :P
[01:23] <vorian> haha
[01:23] <JontheEchidna> || m_republicanInOffice, I dun really care
[01:24] <freinhard> i'd prefere the deathstar, more fun for less traffic ;)
[01:24] <JontheEchidna> though you just gave me a very good idea for an april fools joke
[01:24] <vorian> \o/
[01:24] <vorian> crap
[01:24] <JontheEchidna> I hope it's not too late...
[01:24] <freinhard> here it is...
[01:24] <vorian> i totally forgot about oour little prank
[01:25] <JontheEchidna> oooh, that second one would be nice for freezing rain
[01:25] <vorian> yay!
[01:25] <vorian> that was what my trees looked like _before_ the power went out
[01:27] <JontheEchidna> heh
[01:29] <JontheEchidna> um, so after KDE 4.2 all my file icons lost their mimetype icons
[01:30] <JontheEchidna> this could turn really shitty really fast
[01:30] <JontheEchidna> *4.2.2
[01:30] <vorian> JontheEchidna: no -workspace yet?
[01:30] <JontheEchidna> icons aren't in workspace
[01:30] <vorian> well ring my bell
[01:32] <JontheEchidna> in some places they have reverted to crystal svg
[01:41] <Riddell> mime icons working here
[01:52] <JontheEchidna> vorian: for teh lulz: http://jtechinda.blogspot.com/2009/04/plasma-awesomeness-wallpaper.html
[01:53] <vorian> \o/
[01:53] <vorian> JontheEchidna rocks
[01:53]  * JontheEchidna just updated it
[01:53] <vorian> haha
[01:53] <vorian> this is the best line
[01:53] <vorian> "
[01:53] <vorian> This will become the default wallpaper plugin for KDE 4.3, and for every KDE 4.x release that Obama's in office. (Which will probably be forever)
[01:54] <vorian> "
[01:54] <JontheEchidna> That one was a last minute edit
[01:54] <vorian> JontheEchidna: is that going on the planets?
[01:54] <JontheEchidna> yus
[01:55] <vorian> if so, get ready for major hate comments
[01:55] <JontheEchidna> hehe
[01:55] <JontheEchidna> so, planets. Maybe you'd call that the FOSS solar system?
[01:55] <vorian> :)
[01:56] <vorian> that works
[01:56]  * vorian still has yet to utilize his kde foo
[01:56] <JontheEchidna> I've pre-emptively decided to baleet all political comments that go beyond "ha ha", so if users want the right to not have their comments deleted by free-speech-hating me, they can just not post
[01:56] <dtchen> jjesse: you should mute both 'Analog Loopback' instances
[01:57] <vorian> :o
[01:58]  * JontheEchidna goes to watch lost
[03:07] <JontheEchidna> vorian: btw, what would you like the world-visible name of this wallpaper to be?
[03:07] <JontheEchidna> Icy Tree?
[05:02] <simzy> hey
[05:04] <simzy> on the new networking plasmoid for the beta, when you plug in a 3g wireless usb modem is it meant to configure by itself
[05:05] <simzy> the thing i have a Virgin wireless modem, and when you put it in windows it comes up with an installer, when i plug it in kubuntu beta it doesnt give me any options, it doe detect a generic modem type, but it doesnt do anything
[05:05] <simzy> anyway not sure what im meant to do to get it to work
[07:09] <Mamarok> morning
[07:09] <Mamarok> just trying to upgrade Jaunty to kde 4.2.2 and I was wondering
[07:10] <Mamarok> why does it try to install round 20 gnome packages I really don't need and I uninstalled before?
[07:24] <Mamarok> the problem is, as long as there is pulseaudio, I loose my sound at regular intervals
[07:24] <Mamarok> that was no problem in Intrepid, I just pushed it down in Phonon
[07:24] <Mamarok> now it's just killing my sound all the time and shows up atsecond place in the Phonon list
[07:26] <Mamarok> and no way to remove libpulse0, it tries to remove half of kde, thoe dependencies are weired
[07:26] <Mamarok> I asked about it in the kde channels where I was told that I should be able to remove it completely, so it's likely to be a Kubuntu packaging issue
[07:30] <Tonio_> hi there :)
[07:31] <Mamarok> the culprit is kdegraphics, it doesn't mention the dependencies in the list, but calls for around 20 gnome packages to be installed
[07:32] <Mamarok> hi Tonio
[07:33] <Mamarok> ok, off to OpenExpo again later
[07:33] <Mamarok> Riddell: could you have a look at the above please?
[07:33] <Tonio_> hey Mamarok
[07:34] <Tonio_> am I thed only one who has a problem with the kmenu ?
[07:34] <Tonio_> doesn't close when loosing focus here...
[08:29] <Quintasan> Hi
[09:52] <apachelogger> Nightrose: honey bun, are you around?
[09:52] <Nightrose> I am sweety :)
[09:52] <Nightrose> wasup?
[09:53]  * Riddell points towards a room
[09:53] <Nightrose> :P
[09:53] <Riddell> hmm, launchpad still all broken
[09:55] <apachelogger> right room it is!
[09:55] <apachelogger> Nightrose: you got an eee, don't you? ... mind looking at  bug 345492
[09:56] <apachelogger> Riddell: bugs work
[09:56] <Nightrose> apachelogger: ok let me have a look
[09:56] <Nightrose> i am on intrepid on my eeepc
[09:56] <Nightrose> is that ok?
[10:00] <apachelogger> Nightrose: as long as it is KDE 4.2
[10:00] <Nightrose> it does
[10:00]  * Nightrose starts it
[10:00] <apachelogger> if you don't get the problem in 8.10 with KDE 4.2 it is most likely an issue with the backend
[10:01] <apachelogger> uhm
[10:02] <apachelogger> Riddell: did the change in kdm.ini from bug 298592 got lost or something?
[10:04] <Nightrose> apachelogger: worksforme - i don't have guidence-pm installed
[10:04] <Nightrose> dunno if he has
[10:04] <Nightrose> i tested plugging in power after suspend to ram
[10:05] <Nightrose> and i got a notification
[10:05]  * apachelogger hates bug reports
[10:05] <apachelogger> Nightrose: ok, thx
[10:05]  * a|wen creates a translation-spam folder and adds a rule in kmail
[10:05] <a|wen> oh my god they are annoying
[10:06] <Nightrose> apachelogger: also i have packages from array.org and a 710 eeepc
[10:06] <Nightrose> no idea if any of this matters
[10:08] <apachelogger> possibly
[10:08] <apachelogger> but that would support the theory that it's a backend issue and not related to KDE
[10:10] <Riddell> apachelogger: I couldn't say
[10:10] <apachelogger> bleh
[10:10] <apachelogger> Riddell: it works here
[10:11] <apachelogger> repeat: I hate bug reports
[10:59] <tsimpson> ooh, we can have multiple PPAs for teams/people now! :)
[11:04] <apachelogger> vorian: batgetorig is flawed :P
[11:05] <apachelogger> the removal of reviveDir should have been a replacement with dir_revive
[11:17] <Sput> maco: your way to trigger our heisenbug is just selecting multiple buffers and temporarily hide them?
[11:48] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna, a|wen: bug 353678
[11:48] <apachelogger> should be easy to resolve
[11:48] <freinhard> bah! who decided to disable ctr-alt-backspace by default? that really sucks!
[11:53] <a|wen> freinhard: you have an option to turn it on again in kubuntu
[11:54] <EagleScreen> freinhard you can do the same with Alt + Impr + k
[11:54] <a|wen> apachelogger: i'll look at it if nobody beats me to it tomorrow
[11:58] <freinhard> EagleScreen: thx.
[11:59] <apachelogger> bah
[11:59] <apachelogger> enough bugs for now
[11:59]  * apachelogger is going crazy here
[11:59] <apachelogger> + hungry
[12:01] <freinhard> the nm-widget got a timeout for kwallet? just had a typo in the password, went away from the pc, entered the right password but the nm-widget didn't autoconnect to the wlan. clicked on the wlan and it asked for the WPA password. known behaviour?
[12:16] <seaLne> anyone had problems recently with new kernel installs? the last 2 out of 2 or 3 new kernels my machine hangs during installing the package failing to install all of it leaving me with a machine that won't boot (unless i use a previous kernel ofcourse)
[12:37] <Sput> maco: please ping me when you're available
[12:52] <Riddell> freinhard: that doesnt surprise me especially
[12:52] <Riddell> seaLne: I've not seen that
[13:01] <seaLne> yeah its weird
[13:31] <jrdnyquist> is gtk-qt-engine the recommended way to fix firefox fonts in Jaunty?
[13:33] <jrdnyquist> It works fine for me if under GTK Styles I choose "Use my KDE style in GTK applications" but it refuses to remember that setting after a reboot or a KDE restart
[13:33] <JontheEchidna> The preferred method is to choose QtCurve as you GTK font in that module
[13:34] <JontheEchidna> QtCurve follows your KDE font settings too
[13:35] <jrdnyquist> ok I still think's a bug that it won;t remember the setting but let me see if it will remember that, it defaults to "qt4"
[13:36] <JontheEchidna> We're manually taking out gtk-qt-engine configuration since it's so buggy
[13:36] <JontheEchidna> you can uninstall gtk2-engines-qtcurve if you really want to use gtk-qt-engine and have the config stick, though
[13:38] <jrdnyquist> I'd rather do what you guys prefer, so you are saying to just uninstall gtk-qt-engine?
[13:39] <apachelogger> aye
[13:39] <apachelogger> + that bug is reported
[13:44] <jrdnyquist> apachelogger, so not that package is gone, how do I force Firefox to use KDE fonts?
[13:45] <jrdnyquist> s/not/now
[13:45] <apachelogger> apt-cache search qtcruve
[13:45] <apachelogger> qtcurve even
[13:47] <jrdnyquist> I see 3 things, gtk2-engines-qucurve, kde-style-qtcurve, and kwin-style-qtcurve
[13:48] <jrdnyquist> that latter two are already installed
[13:52] <jrdnyquist> err the first two rather, of the 3 kwin-style-qtcurve is not installed
[14:09] <jrdnyquist> clearly I don;t understand something, after removing gtk2-engines-qtcurve and installing every qtcurve package and selecting "QtCurve" widget style my firefox fonts in the tabs etc are still wonky
[14:09] <jrdnyquist> the fonts in the browser look ok though, it's just all the other fonts in the menus, tabs etc that are hosed
[14:11] <apachelogger> jrdnyquist: you need to relogin
[14:15] <jrdnyquist> I restarted KDM and relogged in (a few times :P )
[14:16] <jrdnyquist> lemme try restarting with a fresh .mozilla config folder
[14:21] <apachelogger> Nightrose: bug 224461
[14:22] <apachelogger> jrdnyquist: nuke .gtkrc-2.0
[14:22] <apachelogger> or whatever its name is
[14:22] <jrdnyquist> very strange. after every relogin... the widget style goes back to Oxygen (i had it set for QtCurve) if I change it and relog, same deal so firefox can never pick it up I guess?
[14:22] <jrdnyquist> hmm I'll try that
[14:23] <Nightrose> apachelogger: hmmm? i only have a english system here and it seems fine
[14:23]  * apachelogger smacks synergy
[14:23] <apachelogger> Nightrose: bug 353801 sry
[14:23] <Nightrose> k
[14:24] <Nightrose> apachelogger: we both know there is never going to be an option for that ;-)
[14:25] <jrdnyquist> yeah same deal, the widget style always reverts back to Oxygen
[14:25] <JontheEchidna> jrdnyquist: QtCurve sorta looks like Oxygen, so that could be it
[14:26] <jrdnyquist> no when I go back to the apperance settings... the selection defaults back to Oxygen, not QtCurve
[14:26] <JontheEchidna> ah
[14:26] <jjesse> morning
[14:26] <JontheEchidna> moin
[14:26] <jrdnyquist> so I reset it, but it requires a relogin, which then defaults back again... catch 22
[14:28] <jrdnyquist> it's the same behavior I was seeing with gtk2-engines-qtcurve
[14:28] <jrdnyquist> it won't remember things I set in the appearance -> style menu
[14:30] <jrdnyquist> "things" meaning the widget style, haven;t testing anything else yet
[14:31] <maco> Sput: what's up?
[14:35] <apachelogger> Nightrose: well, sorting, honey, sorting
[14:35] <Sput> maco: if you still can consistently trigger that heisenbug, could you please run your quasselclient with --debugmodel and paste the contents somewhere?
[14:35] <apachelogger> Nightrose: why does mr. amarok group the thes?
[14:35] <Sput> *the output
[14:35] <Nightrose> apachelogger: i have no idea - Nikolaj is the one to ask ;-)
[14:35] <Nightrose> i am too tired for that
[14:35] <Nightrose> should go take a nap
[14:36] <apachelogger> Oo
[14:36] <apachelogger> weird
[14:37]  * apachelogger considers going out for a cup of coffee
[14:37] <jjesse> mmm coffee
[14:37] <jjesse> i'm on my second mug
[14:40] <apachelogger> Riddell, a|wen, JontheEchidna: fix for bug 224461 pushed ... also uploaded to kubuntu-experimental ... please conduct test ... usually it should treat anycase from no $LANG, unparsable $LANG to completely valid $LANG ... in addition to that I made it accept an unavailable Country= in kdeglobals as alternative case to no kdeglobals at all
[14:40] <apachelogger> so both new installations and updates should get the proper value
[14:41] <maco> Sput: ok
[14:51] <Riddell> go go apachelogger shell scripting!
[14:57] <apachelogger> fix for bug 352946 also pushed
[14:57]  * apachelogger is always fixing other people's bugs ;-)
[15:02] <Riddell> yay
[15:17] <jrdnyquist> ah I guess this is the bug I'm seeing
[15:17] <jrdnyquist> https://bugs.launchpad.net/kdebase/+bug/281016
[15:27] <jrdnyquist> so when kde4 starts, if overwrites ~/.kde/share/config/kdeglobals and removes "widgetStyle=qtcurve" under [General]
[15:28] <jrdnyquist> bummer
[15:33] <nixternal> Quote: "Mandriva and Suse and maybe even Fedora do a better job than Canonical with KDE"
[15:33] <nixternal> that is such bullshit
[15:33] <nixternal> I have recently, as in this week, tried out the different distros and KDE 4
[15:33] <nixternal> THEY ARE ALL THE SAME, JUST LOOK DIFFERENT!
[15:34] <nixternal> none works better than the other...I am tired of people who have no clue wtf they are talking about keep putting us down because it has become a trend
[15:36] <apachelogger> jrdnyquist: are you on intrepid?
[15:36] <jrdnyquist> nope Jaunty with all updates applied as of 30 mins ago (all the 4.2.2 stuff)
[15:38] <apachelogger> hm
[15:38] <apachelogger> uh
[15:38] <apachelogger> uhm!
[15:38] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: ^
[15:38] <jrdnyquist> seems like a show stopper type bug
[15:38] <apachelogger> we seriously should fix that
[15:38] <apachelogger> jrdnyquist: nah, you actually just need qtcurve for GTK
[15:38] <apachelogger> not KDE
[15:38] <JontheEchidna> yeah, that only affects the KDE QtCurve theme
[15:38] <apachelogger> it looks very similar to Oxygen anyway nowadays
[15:38] <nixternal> mine is in there
[15:38] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: still needs to be fixed for 9.04
[15:39] <nixternal> widgetStyle=oxygen
[15:39] <nixternal> couldn't stand that qtcurve garbage..sorry :(
[15:40] <jrdnyquist> I'm just trying to figure out how to fix the fonts in FF w/o using gtk2-engines-qtcurve
[15:41] <jrdnyquist> suggestion was to use the qtcurve widget style but it keeps removing it from kdeglobals on a relog
[15:41] <jrdnyquist> it hates widgetStyle=qtcurve
[15:42] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: can we close bug 268772 ?
[15:43] <JontheEchidna> for which package?
[15:43] <apachelogger> jrdnyquist: you just need gtk2-engines-qtcurve
[15:43] <apachelogger> startkde will handle everything else
[15:43] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: kde4libs, the other one is upstream :P
[15:43] <JontheEchidna> launchpad was being slow-as
[15:43] <JontheEchidna> s
[15:43] <apachelogger> should be individual bug report
[15:44] <JontheEchidna> the upstream bug is still open, so...
[15:44] <apachelogger> well, unlik the upstream bug
[15:44] <apachelogger> unlink
[15:44] <jrdnyquist> apachelogger, I had a similar issue with gtk2-engines-qtcurve, it would not remember what I set on a relog
[15:44] <jrdnyquist> that's how this all started :)
[15:44] <apachelogger> you don't need to set anything
[15:45] <jrdnyquist> err
[15:45] <jrdnyquist> hmm that is installed
[15:45] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: if you have doubt it has been fixed ... reopen bug 136145 ;-)
[15:45] <apachelogger> kde bug 136145 even
[15:46] <jrdnyquist> sorry was having issues with gtk-qt-engine (now removed) earlier not gtk2-engines-qtcurve
[15:47] <Mamarok_> hi all, just found this strange bug: 353856
[15:47] <Mamarok_> well, just reported it, the bot seems not avare of it yet :)
[15:47] <Mamarok_> only the upper third of the panel is visible
[15:48] <Mamarok_> them is Oxygen, but same behaviour in Elgance and others
[15:48] <JontheEchidna> some widget is messing with the layout maybe?
[15:48] <JontheEchidna> what widgets do you have in the panel?
[15:48] <Mamarok_> JontheEchidna: talking to me?
[15:48] <JontheEchidna> Mamarok_: yup
[15:49] <Mamarok_> well, there is the Network Management and the Last plugged in widget, the latter doesn't show at all
[15:49] <Mamarok_> I didn't change my settings since I updated to Beta
[15:57] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: bug 107642
[15:57] <apachelogger> do we want to fix it?
[15:57] <apachelogger> the whole feature is quite ewwwww
[15:57] <apachelogger> grub1 is even more ewwwwwww
[15:57] <JontheEchidna> I agree
[15:57] <apachelogger> and that i have to even thinkg about both kdm and grub1 makes me wanna ewwww
[15:58] <Quintasan> why we don't use grub2?
[15:58] <JontheEchidna> at least we should remove the config option from the GUI
[15:59] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: 50 bucks it will get lost in a merge
[15:59] <apachelogger> besides, then people will come whine about kdmrc does not apply the setting
[15:59] <apachelogger> Quintasan: cause it is pre-alpha
[16:00] <Quintasan> :/
[16:01] <maco> Sput: it doenst seem to crash with --debugmodel :(
[16:01]  * a|wen wonders why the fast mirrors here are so slow at updating ... still no kde4.2.2 packages for me
[16:02] <Sput> maco: well doing the Heisenbug mantra, you are
[16:02] <maco> yeah well im off to gnome so i can use pulseaudio
[16:02] <Sput> maco: and it still crashes without --debugmodel?
[16:03]  * Sput has tried all morning to trigger the crash and didn't succeed
[16:03] <Sput> not by hiding buffers :/
[16:04] <Quintasan> I just crashed Quassel with hiding temp buffers :/
[16:07] <apachelogger> Sput: look what you did ^ :P
[16:10] <maco> Sput: havent updated it or anything
[16:12] <Sput> Quintasan: please run quasselclient with --debugmodel then :)
[16:13] <Sput> and let it crash again
[16:13] <Quintasan> sure :3
[16:13]  * Sput really wants to hunt down that @#$@@$#% Heisenbug
[16:23] <Quintasan> Sput: Do you want me to send you the output after crashing?
[16:24] <Sput> pastebin please, yes
[16:24] <Quintasan> k
[16:26] <Quintasan> Sput: http://pastebin.ca/1380039
[16:26] <Sput> Quintasan: I'd love the console output :)
[16:27] <Quintasan> Sput: sorry, I didn't understand. Do you want the WHOLE output?
[16:28] <Sput> Quintasan: if that's possible, yes
[16:28] <Sput> the backtrace is of little use, we have plenty of those already :/
[16:28] <Sput> just tells us *something* is wrong in the model chain
[16:28] <Quintasan> how I redirect all outputs to file?
[16:28] <Quintasan> 2> filename?
[16:29] <Sput> 2>&1 > filename
[16:29] <Sput> I think
[16:29] <Sput> or was it 2&>1 ?
[16:30] <Sput> 2&>1 >filename it is.
[16:30] <jrdnyquist> > filename @>&1
[16:30] <Sput> or that :)
[16:30] <jrdnyquist> err
[16:30] <jrdnyquist> > filename 2>&1
[16:32] <Quintasan> ok, brb :3
[16:39] <Quintasan> Sput: http://wklej.org/id/73353/
[16:39] <Quintasan> everything
[16:39] <Sput> very appreaciated, let's hope it's useful to debug the issue further :)
[16:40] <Quintasan> If you want to get something crashed just ping me, I have m4d skillz for crashing ;)
[16:41] <Quintasan> I just wonder how do you understand something from backtrace :3
[16:42] <Gon> Hey guys, ... I found a datail in kmenu ...
[16:42] <Gon> on click, it doesn't has focus in the textbox
[16:43] <jrdnyquist> oh hell lol I just realized control+alt+esc gives the old school skull and cross bones kill process icon
[16:44] <Sput> Quintasan: well, that's the problem, the backtrace isn't sufficient to hunt down the problem :)
[16:44] <Sput> so we're hoping the debug output helps
[16:56] <a|wen> Gon: intrepid or jaunty?
[16:56] <Gon> jaunty
[16:56] <Gon> updated
[16:59] <a|wen> Gon: updated to 4.2.2?
[16:59] <Gon> yes
[17:00] <Gon> gon@acer:~$ kate --version
[17:00] <Gon> Qt: 4.5.0
[17:00] <Gon> KDE: 4.2.2 (KDE 4.2.2)
[17:00] <Gon> Kate: 3.2.2
[17:01] <a|wen> works for me here on 4.2.1 ... still in the process of upgrading
[17:02] <Gon> i'm writing this with kmenu displayed...
[17:02] <Gon> :o
[17:03] <a|wen> Gon: so clicking on kmenu keeps the previous app in focus?
[17:03] <Gon> yes
[17:04] <a|wen> Gon: is all kde upgraded to 4.2.2 and have you restarted afterwards?
[17:04] <Gon> yes
[17:06] <a|wen> hmm, that would indeed be a regression ... still has some hours before my machine is updated, so can't test right now
[17:07] <Gon> ok, thanks :B
[17:07] <a|wen> apachelogger / JontheEchidna: any of you able to reproduce kmenu not getting focus in kde 4.2.2? ^^
[17:08] <JontheEchidna> yeah, it won't go away when I click away from it either
[17:08]  * JontheEchidna runs back to classic style
[17:24] <a|wen> there is already a report upstream, kde bug 188655
[17:28] <Quintasan> lol? I don't got this error
[17:29] <Quintasan> s/got/have/
[17:31] <a|wen> strange... i'll see if i have it when i finally finish downloading the packages (hopefully soon)
[17:46] <kady> Hallo
[17:46] <kady> Is KDE having issues starting in Jackalope?
[17:52] <kady> http://pastebin.com/f9029861
[17:54]  * ScottK decides to upgrade to 4.2.2 (after all, if the laptop breaks, I'll have to go over to the desktop and do actual $WORK).
[17:54] <kady> I've started KDM and logged in and X doesn't start
[17:55] <kady> kdm is still running as process
[17:55] <kady> it dumps me out to TTY1 which is where I'm logging in
[17:55] <blizzz> ScottK: please report if the upgrade is lucky
[17:55] <kady> I can start X with X& export DISPLAY=:0.0 and run xclients
[17:56] <ScottK> :-)
[17:56] <kady> from there I can run startkde and kde starts
[17:56] <kady> however I cannot get kde to start from KDM
[17:57] <kady> I pastebinned my ~/.xsession-errors above and tried to get a "clean" xsession-errors but I cannot since a brand new user cannot login to KDE either
[17:57] <kady> and never gets a xsession-erors
[17:57] <ScottK> OK.  New kernel, new X, new KDE ....  no risk at all.
[17:57] <kady> errors
[17:58] <kady> It seems as if Konqueror tries to start and calls flash which prompts KDE to die
[17:58] <kady> which is kinda ridiculous
[17:58] <kady> This is KDE 4.2.2 btw
[17:59] <kady> Why does Jackalope still have kde3 libraries?
[18:00] <ScottK> kady: Because not everything is ported to KDE4 yet.
[18:00] <kady> Well obviously :) but what in a default install of Kubuntu uses it?
[18:01] <ScottK> k3b and OOo.
[18:01] <ScottK> We had as a goal to get rid of it in the default install and didn't quite get there.
[18:02] <xerosis> h
[18:03] <kady> hmm thought that k3b was usable now
[18:03] <ScottK> Test reports were mixed and it's late to make a major change.
[18:03] <kady> OO.o is obviously going to be a problem for 2-4 releases of Koffice
[18:04] <ScottK> The problem with OO.o is their KDE integration is still KDE3 and the KDE4 port is still total fail.
[18:04] <kady> yeah
[18:04] <Gon> :s
[18:04] <kady> the kde page of oo.o looks like fail as well
[18:04] <kady> no idea how active that team is
[18:07] <kady> So anyone have any suggestions as to what would make KDE auto logout on login
[18:07] <kady> since I assume that is what kills X
[18:08]  * Sput thinks koffice2 will be usable before OOo gets there :)
[18:08] <kady> I do too but as it stands that race is curerntly obvious
[18:08] <kady> currently
[18:09] <ScottK> Sput: My use case requires very good support for MS Office formats, so KOffice is not much help for me.
[18:09] <josh-l> yo
[18:09] <Sput> well yeah, not yet :)
[18:09] <josh-l> anyone know if evolve is available anywhere fo use?
[18:09] <kady> ScottK: In that case OO.o might not be much help either
[18:09] <Sput> but OOo just moves *very* slowly
[18:10] <ScottK> kady: My experience with it is pretty good lately.
[18:13] <kady> ScottK: yeah well then you probably get pretty basic docs
[18:13] <kady> so very good support is probably overstating
[18:13] <kady> (would argue in cases that MS office doesn't provide very good support for MSOffice files)
[18:17] <kady> It can't be Konqueror though
[18:17] <kady> since my new user doesn't have konqueor open
[18:17] <kady> they don't even have a .kde
[18:18] <kady> or a .xsession-errors
[18:19] <kady> so they have never seen X start
[18:19] <kady> Hrrrm
[18:25] <apachelogger> clearly I am not going to get a coffee today :|
[18:29] <kady> apachelogger: Cocoa?
[18:32] <apachelogger> kady: no thanks, I already fiddled with cups :P
[18:32] <Riddell> any intrepid users tested in kubuntu-experimental?
[18:33] <ankur_6997> i have tried kubuntu 8.10 it is not working fi9 on 256 mb ram
[18:34] <ankur_6997> just mouse pointer comes and stays forever
[18:37] <apachelogger> fi9?
[18:45] <ScottK> KDE 4.2.2 seems fine here.  kdm restart failed, but after shutdown/startup no major issues.
[18:46] <blizzz> mission possible then
[18:46]  * blizzz upgrades
[18:46] <ScottK> The only think I noticed was that after the upgrade a bunch of kdepim stuff wanted autoremoved (akonadi-kde to start) and so I manually installed kdepim to fix it.
[18:47] <apachelogger> ScottK: in opensuse someone just said that there are some regressions
[18:47] <ScottK> I'm sure there are.
[18:47]  * ScottK just hasn't hit any in the first two minutes.
[18:47] <apachelogger> icon resize in plasma I read
[18:47] <apachelogger> no clue what that means, but sure is a good regression :D
[18:48] <ScottK> I'm sure JontheEchidna will be fishing patches out of svn in no time.
[18:49] <mcas> nixternal: ping
[18:53] <nixternal> mcas: pong?
[18:55] <mcas> hi nixternal
[18:56] <mcas> i found another bug in kubuntu-docs
[18:56] <mcas> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-docs/+bug/354000
[18:56] <nixternal> ooh ya, I totally blew off that section, and it is 110% my fault
[18:57] <nixternal> honestly I should have just removed it for this release
[18:57] <nixternal> or did I actually fix the printing section? hell, I don't even remember now
[18:57] <mcas> :-)
[18:57] <Tscheesy> nixternal : mcas kdesu is oftn mentioned in the Jaunty Kubuntu-docs - also in other sections
[18:58] <nixternal> right, and that all has to be replaced
[18:58] <mcas> Tscheesy: let us find more bugs for nixternal ;-)
[18:59] <nixternal> ya, the more the merrier to be hones
[18:59] <nixternal> honest
[19:00] <nixternal> the reason for all of the bugs is because we (jjesse, myself, and 1 other person) worked on the docs at the very end due to personal life..so we didnt' get anything out there durign the dev cycle for people to work and for translators to find
[19:00] <nixternal> I feel really good this cycle though because the translators are finally kicking the kubuntu-docs into high gear...been a couple of years since our docs got some love
[19:00] <Tscheesy> nP - docs are alwasy last ;I
[19:01] <Tscheesy> and it's less support .. next to it
[19:02] <nixternal> right, I really appreciate the work you guys are doing, big time...it is the first time I have seen anyone really go through the docs like you guys and that is totally awesome
[19:02] <nixternal> I am starting to think the popularity of Kubuntu and contributing is growing, because we are getting people now in other areas we really haven't had before
[19:03] <blizzz> 4.2.2 looks good so far. reboot worked directly and kdepim or a part of it has not been deinstalled
[19:04] <mcas> we hope we can bring the translation to the language-pack freeze
[19:04] <Tscheesy> nixternal : so mcas and me only need to be able to review ;)
[19:04]  * nixternal thinks you can do documentation in Karmic as well :)
[19:04] <mcas> Tscheesy: i am working on it :-)
[19:05] <blizzz> but the issue with unusable scrolling behaviour in khtml remains :(
[19:05] <mcas> blizzz: i still have my strange colours ;-)
[19:07] <blizzz> mcas: we could exchange :D
[19:08] <mcas> you know my colour problem... you laugh at me and now you want to exchange?
[19:09] <blizzz> mcas: i am not able to work (at least efficiently) with jerky scrolling khtml
[19:09] <nixternal> sweet jesus Konqueror is working like a champ in 4.2.2 with me today!
[19:09] <blizzz> nixternal: exchange? :D
[19:10] <mcas> nixternal: have you ever seen this colour effects?
[19:10] <mcas> http://www.asshaueronline.de/pictures/kde4-mcas.jpeg
[19:10] <mcas> this was with kde 4.1.x
[19:10] <mcas> but still the same
[19:10] <nixternal> i like that kmenu icon color
[19:10] <nixternal> hrmm, brown might look OK in KDE
[19:11] <mcas> its my default ....
[19:11] <apachelogger> hahahaha
[19:11] <apachelogger> rofl
[19:11] <apachelogger> <= dies
[19:11] <mcas> what's up apachelogger?
[19:11] <apachelogger> those colors are the rox
[19:12] <apachelogger> mcas: you could pastie paste your kdeglobals
[19:12] <apachelogger> though, didn't we already look at that once?
[19:12] <mcas> yes
[19:12]  * apachelogger seems to remember that weird color thingy
[19:12] <apachelogger> well, clearly you got an all messed-up icon coloring problem
[19:12] <mcas> but today i think it is a problem with gtk under my kde4
[19:12] <Tscheesy> this gona rocks the gnome world
[19:13] <apachelogger> it is interesting that it doesn't seem to affect kde3 apps
[19:13] <nixternal> I spoke to soon, konqi just crashed on me with gmail
[19:13] <apachelogger> mcas: anyway, pasting your kdeglobals can't hurt
[19:14] <Tscheesy> apachelogger :  kwallet is in blue
[19:14] <nixternal> shit, now it just crashes
[19:14] <apachelogger> nixternal: did you try webkitkde recently?
[19:14] <nixternal> cant' even start it back up
[19:14] <Quintasan> argh
[19:14] <nixternal> apachelogger: no I haven't
[19:14] <nixternal> dude, konqi is way faster than firefox
[19:14]  * apachelogger is quite happy with what arora shows of qtwebkit
[19:14] <nixternal> now that it works again until the next crash :)
[19:14] <blizzz> firefox is a lazy monster
[19:14] <apachelogger> lol
[19:14] <apachelogger> firefox always eats my memory
[19:15] <nixternal> I use greasemonkey scripts and firebug, so until konqi can get those, I still have to rely on firefox a bit
[19:15] <mcas> apachelogger: where can i find the kdeglobals
[19:15] <blizzz> apachelogger: +1
[19:15] <mcas> i can't remember
[19:16] <apachelogger> mcas: .kde/share/config/kdeglobals
[19:17] <mcas> http://pastebin.kubuntu-de.org/711
[19:19] <apachelogger> oh
[19:19] <apachelogger> yet again
[19:19] <apachelogger> can we haz paste.kubuntu.org?
[19:19] <apachelogger> huh
[19:20] <apachelogger> now that is what i call a very tiny kdeglobals
[19:22] <apachelogger> mcas: did you check if this also happens with a new user?
[19:23] <mcas> yes it happens there, too
[19:23] <apachelogger> hm
[19:23] <apachelogger> that is however interesting
[19:24] <apachelogger> mcas: did you try a livecd?
[19:24] <mcas> not yet
[19:24] <apachelogger> most recommended
[19:24] <mcas> but i did a new installation between intrepid and jaunty
[19:24] <apachelogger> oh
[19:25] <apachelogger> in this case I doubt it is a problem with KDE, but rather something underneath
[19:25] <apachelogger> possibly X/driver
[19:25] <mcas> i could try the vesa driver
[19:25] <apachelogger> worth a shot I suppose
[19:26] <mcas> i will try it ... but not today ;-)
[19:27] <apachelogger> can't be that much of a problem then :P
[19:28] <mcas> i'll have to do some translation work ;-)
[19:32] <jjesse> yay for updates... booo for updates not fixing sounds
[19:39] <apachelogger> jjesse: if you hadn't broken it...
[19:39] <Quintasan> :D
[19:39] <apachelogger> jjesse: does plain alsa work?
[19:39] <apachelogger> i.e. some lowlevel player like ogg321 or whatever it name was
[19:40] <Quintasan> I wonder how much time it will take to fix the ext4 freeze error, it is confirmed that its fixed in 2.6.29
[19:40] <apachelogger> no freezing here :P
[19:40] <Quintasan> apachelogger: try moving something large
[19:41] <Quintasan> apachelogger: or lot's of small files
[19:41] <apachelogger> I am constantly moving something large :P
[19:41] <Quintasan> oh well, I've triggered it yesterday while emptying trash
[19:42] <Quintasan> hard freeze, reboot is the ultimate solution to everything
[19:42] <apachelogger> reset > reboot
[19:44]  * Quintasan discovered SysRq key yesterday
[19:48] <ScottK> Doesn't work here.
[19:50] <blizzz> either here
[19:51] <apachelogger> hm
[19:51] <apachelogger> Quintasan: so... tell us all about SysRq
[19:51] <apachelogger> but it better be a good story
[19:51] <apachelogger> otherwise I will fall asleep
[19:51] <Quintasan> apachelogger: good night :)
[19:52] <apachelogger> oh dear
[19:52]  * apachelogger needs to set the alarm
[20:42] <jjesse> apachelogger: sound worked in intrepid, since the upgrade no sound
[20:42] <jjesse> apachelogger: also nothing from just plain alsa as far as i can figure
[21:02] <Quintasan> night guys
[21:44] <ryanakca> nixternal: I'm away next week, Wednesday -- Friday. But, this weekend, Monday, Tuesday, then next Saturday onwards should be good here
[22:01] <nixternal> ryanakca: sounds good to me
[22:15] <josh-l> okay big problem here... i've had to power down manually, because i've been getting lock ups cursor still moves, but nonthing else is functional (kubuntu jaunty), is there a log somewhere i can look at to figure out whats going on?
[22:15] <josh-l> this only started happening today
[22:19] <josh-l> huh my problem might be related kwalletmanager... i get a crash notification every time i shutdown my machine and log back in