[00:02] <donald> I'm in the Multimedia under System Settings, and when I test each of the options, it tells me they do not work.
[00:03] <donald> There are four devices listed: HDA Intel (ALC888 Analog), HDA Intel (ALC888 Digital), HDA ATI HDMI (HDMI Audio Output), and PulseAudio
[00:03] <donald> When I click test, it tells me in the bottom right corner that they do not work.
[00:05] <BluesKaj> donald , check the terminal:alsamixer
[00:05] <donald> I'm new to Linux/Kubuntu, BluesKaj. Do I just go to the terminal and put in "alsamixer"?
[00:05] <BluesKaj> yes
[00:07] <donald> Okay, I've done it and it's identified my Card and Chip correctly. What should I be doing?
[00:07] <Blinkiz> Hi. I can't get the new option about encrypting my home dir with ecryptfs to work in latest jaunty iso. I have downloaded todays live-iso and at startup, I put in user-setup/encrypt-home=true. Problem is that no new options have come up under the installation. I followed the guide here: http://blog.dustinkirkland.com/2009/02/jaunty-encrypted-home-directories.html . What can be wrong?
[00:11] <donald> BluesKaj, I am in the AlsaMixer screen in terminal. I don't know what I'm checking for.
[00:11] <BluesKaj> unmute , the slider and use the arrow keys to set the levels up to 70% or so
[00:12] <BluesKaj> unmute withje M key
[00:14] <donald> I have done so, it's not muted and it's volume is set at 70, but no change. It continues to say they don't work.
[00:14] <BluesKaj> donald , then in the terminal do : aplay -l ,  to find the exact name and model of the soundcard
[00:14] <bsnider> donald, did you upgrade or clean install jaunty?
[00:14] <donald> clean install
[00:15] <donald> BluesKaj, doing so now
[00:15] <bsnider> wow, it's that broken ont heinstall disk?
[00:15] <bsnider> what happens if you boot a livecd? does sound work?
[00:15] <donald> No
[00:16] <donald> Where is the Ubuntu pastebin? I will paste the results
[00:16] <bsnider> maybe it's the kde sound system. i doubt alsa is to blame because the driver for the intel chip is in good shape
[00:16] <yofel> !paste | donald
[00:17] <BluesKaj> donald , look for a line that has "audio controller "
[00:17] <donald> http://paste.ubuntu.com:80/142405/
[00:17] <donald> there is no line that says audio controller, BluesKaj
[00:18] <donald> In Windows XP/Vista, it reports my sound card as Realtek
[00:18] <BluesKaj> yes , I see that
[00:19] <donald> and I get my drivers from the Realtek website for XP/Vista
[00:20] <donald> There are two seperate audio systems in this PC... one is the Realtek built-in audio and the other is the ATI HDMI, that is used for the HDMI port on the PCI express video card that's installed.
[00:21] <donald> I'm not sure why Kubuntu is reporting the sound card as HDA Intel.
[00:21] <bsnider> that's the codec
[00:21] <BluesKaj> bsnider, what the dir/command now to make the Intel ALC888 the default sound card ? I used :asoundconf set-default-card "name of soundcard" omn previous releases , but I was advised recently that asoundconf is no longer being used
[00:22] <bsnider> linux is aware that you have a realtek there
[00:22] <donald> Okay good
[00:22] <bsnider> this chip works fine on my board
[00:22] <donald> You have Realtek ALC888 audio as well, bsnider?
[00:23] <bsnider> BluesKaj, i don't know but there's a gui for it
[00:23] <bsnider> donald, i do but it's disabled in favour of a superior creative card. but it does work
[00:23] <donald> I'm wondering why it's not working on mine
[00:24] <donald> Does your system also have the ATI HDMI sound driver? Maybe it's causing confusion?
[00:24] <bsnider> i use gnome. i wonder if yours would work in gnome
[00:24] <donald> well I mainly got Kubuntu 9.04 for it's looks and KDE 4.2
[00:24] <bsnider> BluesKaj, the gui program is asoundconf-gtk
[00:25] <bsnider> BluesKaj, if he tries to install it it will pull in a bunch of gnome libs though
[00:26] <dougb> is there a place in the options to change the system notifications that appear in the top right hand corner?
[00:27] <BluesKaj> donald , try this anyway , in the terminal : asoundconf set-default-card "Intel ALC888"
[00:28] <donald> okay I did so
[00:28] <donald> Now?
[00:29] <BluesKaj> try a tune
[00:29] <donald> okay
[00:30] <donald> the notification came up from "Phonon: KDE's Multimedia Library" that it doesn't work
[00:30] <donald> and nothing played
[00:30] <BluesKaj> ok , make sure you have pulse audio installed , check adept
[00:31] <bsnider> i thought kubuntu didn't use pulse
[00:31] <donald> It's a selection in the Multimedia part of System Settings, so it must be installed. It also told me when I did a "test" of PulseAudio that it doesn't work either
[00:31] <BluesKaj> it does as part of phonon , alsa runs it's driver on top of it
[00:32] <wirechief> trying to find information on how to build and use unetbootin, does the latest release have it built-in ?
[00:32] <BluesKaj> ok, now look in adept for yopur soundcard , you may not have the right driver installed
[00:33] <donald> I don't find Adept?
[00:33] <BluesKaj> look in the kmenu package manager
[00:34] <BluesKaj> for package manager
[00:34] <donald> when I go into the KMenu and search for "package" all that comes up is the KPackageKit
[00:35] <donald> donald@donald-desktop:~$ adept
[00:35] <donald> The program 'adept' is currently not installed.  You can install it by typing:
[00:35] <donald> sudo apt-get install adept
[00:35] <donald> oops
[00:35] <donald> donald@donald-desktop:~$ adept
[00:35] <donald> The program 'adept' is currently not installed.  You can install it by typing:
[00:35] <donald> sudo apt-get install adept
[00:35] <donald> shall I install?
[00:36] <BluesKaj> yes
[00:36] <donald> okay
[00:36] <bsnider> adept isn't installed on a kde system? i don't understand
[00:37] <BluesKaj> donald, package manager is usually listed in "favorites" in the Kmenu
[00:37] <BluesKaj> strange stuff here
[00:37] <donald> It's not, only "Web browser", "System Settings" and "File Manager" are
[00:37] <donald> under favorites
[00:38] <donald> I installed adept and Ran it via "kdesudo adept" and I'm awaiting further instruction
[00:39] <BluesKaj> ok then choose kmenu/applications/system/package manager ..it should be there it's adefault app
[00:40] <donald> okay
[00:40] <donald> yes that opened Adept
[00:40] <BluesKaj> Im looking in adept for the audio driver , but i don't see it .
[00:41] <bsnider> the audio driver is in the linux kernel itself
[00:41] <bsnider> alsa-lib provides the codecs
[00:42] <spaceBARbarian> i am using jaunty on my laptop and for some reason ubuntu doesnt remember my volume settings after a reboot, anyone know how to fix this ?
[00:42] <bsnider> then there's a userspace abstraction called pulseaudio on gnome systems, and whatever on kde
[00:42] <BluesKaj> Hal should recognize the audio card and install the driver during the OS install
[00:42] <bsnider> actually that happens during every boot
[00:42] <donald> it appears the driver is install, BluesKaj... just not working
[00:43] <bsnider> i think it probably is working, but at the userspace level something is fried
[00:43] <bsnider> if alsamixer gives you any options at all then you've got a driver there
[00:43] <BluesKaj> donald, bsnider , intel does have some driver problems lately
[00:43] <donald> yes it does provider me options and I can change settings
[00:44] <bsnider> well, those settings are in the realtek driver
[00:44] <BluesKaj> yes the drivers install but they have settings probs
[00:44] <bsnider> kde's sound system could be broken. i'd be very interested about whether it works booting off a gnome livecd
[00:44] <spaceBARbarian> i am using jaunty on my laptop and for some reason it doesnt remember my volume settings after a reboot. if i have the sound muted i still end up hearing the loud logon sounds, anyone know how to fix this ?
[00:44] <BluesKaj> !intel
[00:45] <BluesKaj> !info intel audio
[00:45] <donald> On realtek's webpage, for my audio chip, it does offer drivers
[00:45] <dtchen> spaceBARbarian: those are two different sets of volumes, unfortunately
[00:46] <BluesKaj> spaceBARbarian , system settings/notifications/system notifications/player settings tab/ click on no audio output
[00:46] <dtchen> spaceBARbarian: if you'd be so kind, please get me the output from running http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-info (explicitly as a bash script) before you log in and after you log in
[00:46] <bsnider> dtchen, is kubuntu making use of pulseaudio by default?
[00:47] <dtchen> bsnider: no.
[00:47] <bsnider> what's the userpsace kde sound system called?
[00:47] <dtchen> bsnider: there is none; kubuntu uses Phonon through Xine, which by default uses ALSA
[00:47] <crdlb> the abstraction layer abstracter is phonon?
[00:47] <crdlb> err -?
[00:47] <dtchen> there is no "KDE sound system" for Kubuntu 9.04
[00:48] <BluesKaj> BBL ... tv with wifey
[00:48] <dtchen> Phonon is an abstraction not equivalent to PulseAudio or Esound
[00:48] <bsnider> how inconvenient for kde users
[00:48] <donald> Phonon is the one giving me the error every time I try to use audio
[00:48] <funkyHat> Is flash broken or is it just me doing something wrong?
[00:48] <dtchen> funkyHat: more context, please?
[00:48] <dtchen> donald: which error?
[00:49] <donald> "The audio playback device HDA Intel (ALC888 Analog) does not work. Falling back to HDA ATI HDMI, ATI HDMI (HDMI Audio Output)."
[00:49] <donald> And the HDA ATI HDMI also does not work
[00:49] <dtchen> donald: do you have an /etc/asound.conf or ~/.asoundrc ?
[00:50] <donald> I haven't a clue :/ I'm new to Linux/Kubuntu. How to check?
[00:50] <dtchen> ls -l /etc/asound.conf ~/.asoundrc
[00:51] <bsnider> Don_Miguel, you might have int hat event picked a stable distro to use
[00:51] <bsnider> sorry, that was intended for donald
[00:51] <funkyHat> dtchen: I have flashplugin-nonfree installed but after upgrading to 9.04 it is no longer showing up in about:plugins (and isn't working, of course, in firefox)
[00:51] <donald> ls: cannot access /etc/asound.conf: No such file or directory
[00:51] <dtchen> funkyHat: purge flashplugin-nonfree and reinstall it.
[00:52] <dtchen> known issue; i need to file a bug against update-manager to handle that case
[00:52] <donald> dtchen, ls: cannot access /etc/asound.conf: No such file or directory
[00:53] <dtchen> donald: so you don't have that file, what about the other?
[00:53] <donald> This is what else is gave me: -rw-r--r-- 1 donald donald 190 2009-04-01 19:26 /home/donald/.asoundrc
[00:53] <bsnider> well, he ahs that file
[00:54] <bsnider> but what's in it
[00:54] <spaceBARbarian> dtchen: the link you gave me is broken http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-info
[00:54] <donald> http://paste.ubuntu.com:80/142420/ - the complete output
[00:55] <dtchen> spaceBARbarian: append ".sh"
[00:56] <bsnider> donald, pastebin the contents of that file. execute kwrite ~/.asoundrc
[00:57] <donald> donald@donald-desktop:~$ execute kwrite ~/.asoundrc
[00:57] <donald> bash: execute: command not found
[00:57] <bsnider> leave out the word execute
[00:57] <bsnider> i was asking you to execute the command
[00:57] <donald> ah
[00:57] <donald> it wants me to install kwrite
[00:57] <donald> lol
[00:58] <bsnider> i hope the text editor is still called kwrite
[00:58] <dtchen> cat ~/.asoundrc
[00:58] <bsnider> you can install kwrite
[00:58] <dtchen> (pastebin the output)
[00:59] <donald> http://paste.ubuntu.com:80/142422/ - the entire output, and yes, that is the ENTIRE content of that file
[01:03] <dtchen> donald: now pastebin the contents of ~/.asoundrc.asoundconf
[01:03] <donald> okay
[01:03] <Jordan_U> bsnider, kwrite is qt / KDE, gedit is gtk / gnome ( and comes with ubuntu by default )
[01:04] <bsnider> Jordan_U, i know
[01:04] <donald> Contents of ~/.asoundrc.asoundconf = http://paste.ubuntu.com:80/142427/
[01:04] <bsnider> he's using kde
[01:05] <Jordan_U> bsnider, Odd, should have been installed then
[01:05] <bsnider> there's a lot of stuff ont hat system that shoudl have been isntalled but weren't. he didn't have adept either
[01:06] <donald> I downloaded the .iso image and burnt it at 4x, and it was verified as well
[01:06] <donald> and yes, I had to install adept
[01:06] <bsnider> which image was that?
[01:07] <donald> I would have to get on my Vista partition and check that, bsnider
[01:07] <donald> I don't know the filename by heart
[01:07] <funkyHat> dtchen: cheers, should have thought of that myself really :)
[01:07] <Jordan_U> bsnider, Have you suggested installing kubuntu-desktop?
[01:07] <donald> I downloaded it from http://mirror.anl.gov/pub/ubuntu-iso/CDs/kubuntu/9.04
[01:08] <bsnider> donald, why would you want to use linux when you have the awesome windows vista operating system?
[01:08] <Tekno> :D
[01:08] <donald> Because Windows Vista isn't awesome at all.
[01:08] <bsnider> but it's recommended by the highly trustworthy microsoft corporation
[01:09] <donald> Microsoft doesn't know what it's talking about half the damn time lol
[01:09] <dtchen> donald: rm ~/.asoundrc
[01:09] <josh-l> hey folks, trying to run firefox 3.1 after a dist-upgrade (kubuntu jaunty) I'm getting this error when running in cli: "Could not find compatible GRE between version 1.9.1b3 and 1.9.1b3.
[01:09] <dtchen> donald: then log out of KDE and back in
[01:09] <josh-l> any thoughts?
[01:10] <donald> okay doing so now
[01:12] <bsnider> Jordan_U, i expect that metapackage accounts for what was on his iso image
[01:12] <dtchen> -> supper
[01:12] <donald> I'm back
[01:13] <donald> Shall I try using audio now?
[01:13] <bsnider> that would be helpful
[01:13] <Jordan_U> bsnider, Might have been a minimal install CD
[01:14] <bsnider> i don't know what that is
[01:14] <donald> Same error
[01:14] <Jordan_U> donald, Was the CD installer graphical or menu / text based
[01:14] <Jordan_U> ?
[01:14] <donald> Graphical
[01:14] <donald> I installed under the LiveCD
[01:14] <donald> I went into the LiveCD and played around with it, sound did not work there, and I installed it, and sound does not work again
[01:14] <DanaG> !find gtk/gtk.h
[01:16] <bsnider> donald, what about trying intrepid instead?
[01:17] <donald> Intepid?
[01:17] <donald> Intrepid*?
[01:17] <DanaG> !find gio/gio.h
[01:17] <bsnider> donald, the current stable version of ubuntu
[01:18] <donald> Can I install the Kubuntu variant? I prefer Kubuntu's looks over Unbuntu's
[01:18] <bsnider> yes you can!
[01:19] <bsnider> but why, when you have the windows vista operating system?
[01:19] <donald> LOL
[01:19] <donald> Quit picking on me! LOL
[01:19] <donald> Okay I will install that overtop of 9.04 and let you know how it all worked out
[01:19] <donald> Thanks for your help, guys/ga;s
[01:20] <donald> gals*
[01:20] <bsnider> wait qa jminute
[01:20] <hil> .oO( ɯǝʇsʎs ƃuıʇɐɹǝdo ɐʇsıʌ )
[01:20] <donald> okay
[01:20] <bsnider> i'll find you the right one
[01:20] <donald> okay lol
[01:20] <nemo> erk
[01:20] <nemo> vista
[01:20]  * nemo shudders
[01:21] <bsnider> donald, what cpu do you have?
[01:21] <donald> it's a 64-bit
[01:21] <bsnider> what part of the world are you in?
[01:21] <donald> core 2 quad
[01:21] <donald> united states
[01:22] <m0u5e> whoa hil why is vista operating system upside down? o_O
[01:22] <bsnider> http://ubuntu-mirror.cs.colorado.edu/releases/kubuntu/intrepid/kubuntu-8.10-desktop-amd64.iso
[01:22] <hil> ask microsoft ;)
[01:22] <m0u5e> lol
[01:23] <donald> thanks bsnider
[01:23] <bsnider> well if you can find me a better operating system for $300 i'd sure like to see it
[01:23] <nemo> lol
[01:23] <donald> I will install and let you know how it worked out
[01:23] <bsnider> good
[01:23]  * nemo has never paid $300 for an OS
[01:23]  * nemo has never paid $1 for an OS
[01:23]  * donald didn't pay for his Windows, either ;)
[01:24] <nemo> well. I guess my contributing code is "paying"
[01:25] <bsnider> at least with vista i get the protection of the excellent windows genuine advantage
[01:27]  * hil also has one (1) ɐʇsıʌ - machine just for 3dsmax. what a waste of power...
[01:31] <josh-l> is there anything bad about setting up prelink?
[01:40] <josh-l> interesting does anyone else have an issue running firefox 3.1 suddenly after an upgrade im getting: Could not find compatible GRE between version 1.9.1b3 and 1.9.1b3.
[01:40] <josh-l>  
[01:49] <andresmh> Updating Jaunty broke my system: I was running Jaunty beta off a thumbdrive. I applied the latest updates. Restarted. Ubuntu logo shows up for a few seconds but then it goes straight to EasyBox. Any ideas?
[01:57] <mbeierl> Anyone here been looking at PPTP support in Jaunty?
[02:05] <hggdh> andresmh, boot without splash and quiet, then see where you stop
[02:06] <andresmh> hggdh, how do you boot without splash?
[02:07] <andresmh> if I have Jaunty running off a USB thumbdrive and I install apps there. When I decide to install it onto my hardrive will it come with all the apps and the configurations I've made?
[02:07] <Tommy_Bres> any reason ubuntu 8.10 supports my audio drivers and 9.04 doesn't? i don't know if that's exactly the case, but i know it won't play any audio
[02:07] <dtchen> Tommy_Bres: run the http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh script
[02:08] <Tommy_Bres> i'll try
[02:09] <DanaG> Oh heyas, is there any way to make window borders thicker?
[02:13] <DanaG> ughm wtf... reset in gnome-terminal RESIZES it!
[02:15] <Tommy_Bres> dtchen: it gives me the info about the script, "do you want to run this script y/n: read: 298: illegal option -e"
[02:15] <Tommy_Bres> never gives me the option to hit y, just gives that all together
[02:17] <Tommy_Bres> any ideas? :\
[02:17] <josh-l> can anyone tell me how to reverse prelink setup?
[02:25] <lifi> does anyone know how to set extended desktop in kde?
[02:36] <DanaG> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1112735
[02:42] <amon_> the topic gets old now
[02:42] <Tekno> ?:o
[02:43] <afallenhope> how do you disable  the screen saver ib xfce4?
[02:46] <dtchen> Tommy_Bres: it's a bash script. you need to invoke bash, not sh
[02:48] <Tommy_Bres> oooooooh
[02:48] <Tommy_Bres> my bad :(
[02:49] <Tommy_Bres> btw, for any soccer fans, USA 3 - 0 TRI
[02:49] <Tommy_Bres> err, football fans if you're not from here :P
[02:50] <Tommy_Bres> http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=b21ffb3ef3f5bbe252107836eaae3f3ed1d5a5b7
[02:53] <vonkleist_> where did that kde 4.2.2 came from???
[02:53] <Tommy_Bres> huh
[02:54] <vonkleist_> latest aptitude run upgraded kde to 4.2.2
[02:54] <[MindVirus]> Hello.
[02:54] <[MindVirus]> I'm trying to get my graphics to render directly.
[02:55] <Tommy_Bres> where are you seeing this :P
[02:55] <[MindVirus]> I'm running an integrated intel card.
[02:55] <Tommy_Bres> mindvirus, i'm trying to get my sound working on an integrated intel card, i hope you have better luck than i'm having :)
[02:55] <[MindVirus]> Tommy_Bres, I haven't checked if my sound works yet.
[02:55] <[MindVirus]> Let's see.
[02:55] <Tommy_Bres> lol
[02:56] <[MindVirus]> Yep, it works.
[02:56] <[MindVirus]> Sorry dude.
[02:56] <Tommy_Bres> its all good
[02:56] <Tommy_Bres> i'll get it fixed eventually i hope
[02:56] <[MindVirus]> I'm sure.
[02:57] <melik_> http://omploader.org/vMWd3cw/matrix-jaunty-20090331-2.png << 17.44 second boot with jaunty =D
[02:57] <vonkleist_> Get:12 http://us.archive.Ubuntu.com jaunty/main kdebase-runtime 4:4.2.2-0ubuntu1 [1906kB]  (sorry for the paste)
[02:57] <vonkleist_> april's fools?
[02:57] <Tommy_Bres> huh
[02:57] <savvas> try: aptitude changelog kdebase-runtime
[02:57] <savvas> :)
[02:57] <amon_> what intel card
[02:58] <Tommy_Bres> amon_: are you talking to me or mindvirus
[02:58] <amon_> you
[02:58] <[MindVirus]> How do I find out?
[02:58] <savvas> ah it's still fresh, no changelog
[02:58] <Tommy_Bres> intel 82801g high definition audio controller
[02:58] <vonkleist_> no changelog...
[02:58] <[MindVirus]> Right. Can anyone help with my direct rendering issue?
[02:59] <vonkleist_> now my konsole's about box shows KDE 4.2.2
[02:59] <amon_> lspci -nn | grep Audio
[03:00] <savvas> vonkleist_: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty/+source/kdebase-runtime/+changelog
[03:00] <Tommy_Bres> amon_: just gives another prompt
[03:00] <Tommy_Bres> when i just put lspci it does list the sound card though
[03:00] <[MindVirus]> I'm running an Intel Corporation Mobile 945GME Express Integrated Graphics Controller.
[03:01] <[MindVirus]> Can anyone suggest anything?
[03:01] <melik> back
[03:04] <Tommy_Bres> argh idk what to do :(
[03:04] <vonkleist_> oh, I see...
[03:04] <vonkleist_> new upstream release
[03:04] <Tommy_Bres> hm
[03:04] <vonkleist_> but can't find anything about that on kde.org
[03:12] <vonkleist_> http://www.kde.org/announcements/changelogs/changelog4_2_1to4_2_2.php :P
[03:15] <dtchen> Tommy_Bres: your PCM is set to zero.
[03:16] <Tommy_Bres> is it?
[03:16] <Tommy_Bres> i set it to 100
[03:17] <Tommy_Bres> i can take a screenshot if you want, it's at 100 ;)
[03:17] <dtchen>   Front Left: Playback 0 [0%] [-51.00dB]
[03:17] <dtchen>   Front Right: Playback 0 [0%] [-51.00dB]
[03:17] <dtchen> looks like zero to me.
[03:17] <amon_>  
[03:17] <dtchen> make sure you haven't opened some app like dragon
[03:19] <Tommy_Bres> lol
[03:19] <Tommy_Bres> i dont know what dragon is, so i cant open it
[03:21] <dtchen> Tommy_Bres: it's the video player in kde
[03:21] <dtchen> Tommy_Bres: of course, the analogy is totem in gnome
[03:21] <dtchen> Tommy_Bres: what's the output from `amixer -Dhw:0'?
[03:21] <dtchen> pastebin, please
[03:21] <Tommy_Bres> pastebin what
[03:21] <bjsnider> dtchen, is audio your specialty?
[03:23] <dtchen> bjsnider: i used to maintain Ubuntu's audio stack
[03:23] <dtchen> Tommy_Bres: the output from the command i gave you in quotes
[03:23] <Tommy_Bres> dtchen: what do you want me to pastebin?
[03:23] <Tommy_Bres> okay
[03:24] <Tommy_Bres> why am i not finding any command sent by you :|
[03:24] <Tommy_Bres> oh nvm got it
[03:25] <Tommy_Bres> http://pastebin.com/m505f7fd6
[03:28] <dtchen> Tommy_Bres: ok, good. is `pasuspender -- aplay -Dhw:0 /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Front_Center.wav' audible?
[03:30] <[MindVirus]> Hi. apt-get is telling me that autoremove will remove mbr.
[03:30] <[MindVirus]> Is this OK?
[03:30] <Tommy_Bres> umm stupid question, how do i check? :P
[03:30] <Tommy_Bres> oh nvm thats a command /retarded
[03:31] <Tommy_Bres> no, cant hear a thing
[03:31] <Tommy_Bres> Playing WAVE '/usr/share/sounds/alsa/Front_Center.wav' : Signed 16 bit Little Endian, Rate 48000 Hz, Mono
[03:31] <Tommy_Bres> aplay: set_params:966: Channels count non available
[03:33] <dtchen> ah
[03:33] <[MindVirus]> Any suggestions?
[03:33] <Ampelbein> [MindVirus]: it's usually safe to autoremove packages. this is a feature to keep track of unneeded, optional packages that were installed alongside some other software.
[03:33] <dtchen> Tommy_Bres: how about: `pasuspender -- aplay -Dplughw:0 /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Front_Center.wav'
[03:33] <[MindVirus]> Ampelbein, I know.
[03:33] <[MindVirus]> But mbr seems pretty damn important.
[03:34] <Ampelbein> [MindVirus]: why? it's optional.
[03:34] <Ampelbein> apt-cache show mbr
[03:34] <[MindVirus]> Is it?
[03:34] <dtchen> it is not used with grub but is used with lilo
[03:34] <Tommy_Bres> dtchen: still not audible, shows the same message without the last line
[03:34] <dtchen> [MindVirus]: i.e., if you're using grub, it's perfectly safe to not have mbr installed
[03:35] <bjsnider> i wonder when grub2 will be ready to roll
[03:35] <[MindVirus]> :)
[03:35] <[MindVirus]> Great.
[03:35] <dtchen> bjsnider: certain distros already ship it
[03:35] <Ampelbein> [MindVirus]: see apt-cache rdepends mbr
[03:35] <[MindVirus]> Great.
[03:35] <dtchen> Tommy_Bres: does `sudo /etc/init.d/alsa-utils reset' help?
[03:36] <bjsnider> dtchen, by default?
[03:36] <[MindVirus]> Thanks.
[03:36] <dtchen> bjsnider: yes
[03:36] <bjsnider> dtchen, well, i'll be a monkey's uncle
[03:38] <Tommy_Bres> dtchen: http://pastebin.com/mf5e8d70
[03:38] <Tommy_Bres> invalid card number?
[03:39] <[MindVirus]> I'm having big issues getting direct rendering to work. Any suggestions?
[03:43] <Tommy_Bres> dtchen: any idea what the invalid card number could mean?
[03:43] <shade34321> is there a way to get my logitech usb headphones and mic to work with jaunty?....
[03:43] <Tommy_Bres> nope, it's impossible, headphones are not supported
[03:43]  * Tommy_Bres is joking
[03:44] <shade34321> i knew that....i'm just a bit puzzled b/c i have it set up to come out of my usb headphones
[03:44] <shade34321> but it's coming out of the regular ones still
[03:45] <Tommy_Bres> lol i cant even get my audio to work :(
[03:45] <shade34321> ouch....i have that problem sometimes
[03:45] <shade34321> i've noticed with mine if i restart and make sure the right outputs are set it works:)
[03:46] <Tommy_Bres> lol
[03:47] <dtchen> Tommy_Bres: hmm, try this: sudo fuser -v -k /dev/dsp* /dev/snd/* ; sudo rmmod snd-hda-intel ; sudo rm -f /var/lib/alsa/asound.state
[03:47] <dtchen> Tommy_Bres: afterward, reboot
[03:48] <Tommy_Bres> to the second command, error, snd hda_intel is in use
[03:48] <dtchen> what's the output from sudo fuser -v /dev/dsp* /dev/snd/*
[03:49] <Tommy_Bres> 2 different things shown
[03:49] <Tommy_Bres> USER ubuntu for both
[03:49] <dtchen> err, is this from a live cd?
[03:50] <Tommy_Bres> PID 17910, ACCESS F...., COMMAND pulseaudio
[03:50] <Tommy_Bres> dtchen: yes? :|
[03:50] <Tommy_Bres> well kinda, flash drive
[03:50] <Tommy_Bres> other one PID 17927, command mixer_applet2
[03:50] <dtchen> Tommy_Bres: ok, different approach
[03:50] <Tommy_Bres> ah, my bad... i didn't know that was relevant when it came to something such as this, or i'd have warned you ahead of time
[03:50] <dtchen> Tommy_Bres: killall pulseaudio ; pulseaudio -vvv
[03:51] <[MindVirus]> I'm having big issues getting direct rendering to work. Any suggestions?
[03:51] <dtchen> Tommy_Bres: leave pulseaudio running in the foreground
[03:51] <dtchen> Tommy_Bres: i'll need you to pastebin all the output from that pulseaudio -vvv command
[03:51] <Tommy_Bres> okay
[03:52] <Tommy_Bres> http://pastebin.com/d2fd28826
[03:53] <[MindVirus]> God damnit, anyone?
[03:53] <Tommy_Bres> there was something that showed up in bright red, but didn't transfer over to pastebin that way obviously
[03:53] <Tommy_Bres> "^CE: module-gconf.c: Unable to read or parse data from client."
[03:55] <shade34321> so i got my usb headphones to work....kind of
[03:55] <shade34321> i turned the mic on all the way
[03:55] <scream> Does the ATI driver still not work in jaunty?
[03:55] <shade34321> and i put other headphones to the mic:)
[03:55] <shade34321> lol
[03:56] <Tommy_Bres> lol
[03:56] <shade34321> not exactly what i wanted
[03:56] <shade34321> but it's a step in the right direction....lol
[03:56] <dtchen> Tommy_Bres: hmm
[03:56] <dtchen> Tommy_Bres: your ~/.gconf* may be messed up
[03:57] <Tommy_Bres> see, this is why i use winderz most of the time :P
[03:57] <holyscott> Is it me or did 9.04 just download kde 4.2.2?
[03:57] <dtchen> Tommy_Bres: can you reproduce the symptom on an actual live cd?
[03:57] <Tommy_Bres> *shrug*, no CD-R's
[03:57] <Tommy_Bres> what is my ~/.gconf*?
[03:57] <dtchen> Tommy_Bres: i can't rule out broken ~/.gconf*
[03:58] <dtchen> in which case it can't be PulseAudio or ALSA as the problem-causers
[03:58] <Tommy_Bres> bleh
[03:58] <[MindVirus]> Someone help :(
[03:58] <Tommy_Bres> is there any way i can fix it?
[03:58] <dtchen> Tommy_Bres: create a new usb image and boot from it?
[03:59] <Tommy_Bres> argh, lol that's gonna be such a pain
[03:59] <Tommy_Bres> i'll give it a shot though, i'll reboot to windoze, do the same thing as before, then come back and see if it's solved
[03:59] <Tommy_Bres> thanks so much for the help dtchen, i'll pop back in here and let you know how it went
[03:59] <dtchen> ok
[04:00] <Tommy_Bres> and where the hell did the reboot option go? haha not in system like in 8.10
[04:00] <bjsnider> there's low-level audio config info in gconf?
[04:00] <dtchen> bjsnider: not low-level, no. high-level.
[04:01] <bjsnider> dtchen, did he try it from a new user account?
[04:01] <dtchen> i don't think he did
[04:02] <[MindVirus]> Am I on ignore by everyone in the channel? I don't understand. Usually someone would even attempt to respond.
[04:03] <PhotoJim> [MindVirus]: Patience.  People reply to things they think they can help with.  No point in them cluttering the channel with "I don't know".
[04:03] <PhotoJim> [MindVirus]: Ask again at intervals.  Eventually someone is likely to help you.
[04:03] <bjsnider> all  you said was that you were having trouble with direct rendering
[04:04] <[MindVirus]> That's what I've been doing, PhotoJim.
[04:04] <SebastianDroas> yeah, more information is necessary :-(
[04:04] <[MindVirus]> What information is necessary?
[04:04] <[MindVirus]> I don't mean to be a douche, and thank you very much. :)
[04:05] <bjsnider> [MindVirus], which graphics driver is this?
[04:06] <[MindVirus]> Let's check.
[04:06] <[MindVirus]> Intel Corporation Mobile 945GME Express Integrated Graphics Controller
[04:06] <bjsnider> oh, well that explains it
[04:07] <[MindVirus]> :)
[04:07] <[MindVirus]> I'm on an Asus Eee 1000 BTW.
[04:07] <bjsnider> the intel driver is, what would be the word, sewage?
[04:08] <[MindVirus]> I would assume.
[04:08] <[MindVirus]> But it worked on Intrepid.
[04:08] <bjsnider> there have been major changes since then
[04:08] <[MindVirus]> Of course.
[04:08] <bjsnider> like the addition of gem and dri2
[04:09] <[MindVirus]> What is the suggested course of action?
[04:09] <bjsnider> do you have a pistol of some kind?
[04:09] <[MindVirus]> Will a fist work?
[04:09] <bjsnider> not for suicide, no
[04:10] <[MindVirus]> Haha.
[04:10] <[MindVirus]> It could, I guess.
[04:10] <[MindVirus]> If I was to clap my ears very hard.
[04:10] <bjsnider> "man kills self over bad intel graphics driver"
[04:11] <[MindVirus]> BTW, I hope that title is for April Fool's.
[04:17] <wolter> hi
[04:17] <wolter> has anybody used evolution 2.26 yet?
[04:18] <wolter> i want to know if contacts are now automatically added when you send an email to them
[04:18] <[MindVirus]> So, seriously, bjsnider, is there any temporary fix?
[04:19] <shade34321> so my usb headphones and mic are giving me problems....i want the sound to go through there but when I tell ubuntu that it freezes on me....yet i can record from my mic and the volume control works on my usb headset....any ideas to fix it?
[04:19] <bjsnider> [MindVirus], i use the nvidia driver, which has no such issues, so i'm not the expert
[04:19] <[MindVirus]> Of course.
[04:20] <[MindVirus]> Does anyone have any temporary fixes or better for my problems? I don't have direct rendering.
[04:22] <TommyBres> ok guys, have a question, should be easy but i can't for the life of me remember the command/directory
[04:22] <bjsnider> you might try asking if there's anyone using the intel driver, and whether they're having the same problem as you, and if not, what the difference might be
[04:22] <TommyBres> i want to install audacious, and "sudo apt-get install audacious" says can't find package
[04:22] <TommyBres> so how do i get all packages made available with apt-get update, there are things that are ignored
[04:23] <[MindVirus]> It's there.
[04:23] <TommyBres> i remember i had to go somewhere and denote 2 lines, but i forget where
[04:23] <[MindVirus]> Try apt-cache search audacious
[04:23] <TommyBres> yeah it doesnt show up
[04:23] <genii> TommyBres: Enable universe repositories
[04:23] <TommyBres> yes, genii how do i do that?
[04:24] <genii> TommyBres: gksu gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:24] <TommyBres> THAT'S the directory i forgot :)
[04:24] <TommyBres> thanks so much
[04:25] <genii> TommyBres: You'll need to do after:   sudo apt-get update      to have updated package list
[04:25] <TommyBres> yep, just did it
[04:25] <TommyBres> i knew what i had to do and how, i just forgot where the sources.list file was (and what it was named)
[04:26] <TommyBres> argh and my audio still doesn't work, so installing audacious won't help much :(
[04:29] <bjsnider> there have been people in here all day with audio issues
[04:29] <TommyBres> dtchen: update, remade the flash drive, audio still doesn't work
[04:29] <khindenburg> well the upgrade to KDE 4.2.2 seemed to work OK
[04:30] <TommyBres> dtchen: also checked the integrity of the volume with the built-in utility upon boot, said there were no errors found
[04:30] <TommyBres> bjsnider: yeah, 8.10 was great with everything and now 9.04 won't play jack :(
[04:30] <TommyBres> i'm so glad i "upgraded" :P
[04:30] <bjsnider> it's perfectly fin here
[04:31] <TommyBres> yeah, but there doesn't concern me as much as here ;)
[04:32] <bjsnider> have you filed a bug, sir
[04:33] <TommyBres> bjsnider: i wouldn't even know how to go about doing that
[04:33] <bjsnider> this is beta software
[04:34] <TommyBres> but i've come in here and asked for help, had many nice people attempt to solve my issue, though none has succeeded
[04:36] <bjsnider> let me put it this way. if chen can't solve it, it's a bug
[04:37] <bjsnider> i don't know how to make it any clearer than that
[04:37] <syockit> a very powerful figure it seems, this master chen you speak of
[04:37] <TommyBres> who's chen?
[04:37] <bjsnider> he's a jedi master
[04:37] <TommyBres> oh, dt ... chen right
[04:38] <TommyBres> yeah so far no luck from him lol, so i guess it's a bug :P
[04:38] <bjsnider> but he turned to the dark side
[04:38] <TommyBres> that's fine, he's more helpful than darth vader
[04:38] <syockit> so the problem in pa comes from the dark force?
[04:39] <bjsnider> they call him darth chenius
[05:07] <dtchen> err, missed TommyBres.
[05:29] <syockit> dtchen: they say you became a sith lord or something?
[05:31] <dtchen> several darths were pupils?
[05:34] <Lounge> hey yall
[05:34] <Lounge> wanted to say that my audio is broken
[05:35] <Halow> Uh oh. Define broken?
[05:35] <Lounge> no sound
[05:35] <Lounge> just scratchy pops
[05:35] <Lounge> whenever i try to play a avi
[05:36] <Lounge> i can't play any music either
[05:36] <Lounge> pulseaudio has some problems
[05:37] <Halow> Lounge: Are all of your sound levels up? I noticed once or twice when that happened to me, it turned out something got turned down (without me asking it to =/).
[05:37] <Lounge> ok they are now
[05:37] <Lounge> and i hear sound
[05:37] <dtchen> i.e., check alsamixer; install pavucontrol, and check the sinks for the playing streams.
[05:37] <Lounge> but pulseaudio isn't starting
[05:38] <dtchen> what do you mean pa isn't starting?
[05:38] <Lounge> this is what its returning
[05:38] <Lounge>  E: pid.c: Daemon already running.
[05:38] <Lounge> E: main.c: pa_pid_file_create() failed.
[05:38] <Lounge> even though i forced a reload on alsa
[05:39] <DanaG> oh yeah, I hope 2.6.29 will get the PA / ALSA fixes.
[05:39] <dtchen> it's already started.
[05:39] <dtchen> pa autospawns
[05:39] <dtchen> that was an intentional and deliberate change i made several alphas ago
[05:39] <Lounge> strnage
[05:39] <Lounge> this is odd now its working
[05:40] <dtchen> nothing's really odd, but there sure is brokenness
[05:40] <Lounge> im trying to figure out what was going on
[05:41] <Lounge> when i booted in - sound level was all the way down
[05:41] <dtchen> look at your mixer levels, and try `paplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Front_Center.wav'
[05:41] <scream> I note the jaunty release change in the topic, where is the official news located?
[05:41] <Lounge> yeah strange sound works now
[05:42] <dtchen> Lounge: is this a fresh install of Jaunty Beta or a dist-upgrade from Intrepid?
[05:42] <Lounge> this is a fresh install of alpha 5
[05:42] <dtchen> Lounge: aha
[05:42] <dtchen> Lounge: can you reproduce the symptom with a fresh user?
[05:42] <Lounge> or was it 6
[05:42] <dtchen> i bet it's ~/.gconf* screwage
[05:43] <dtchen> and it almost inevitably involves ~/.pulse* screwage
[05:44] <scream> I don't see any announcement on the mailing lists for a release delay on jaunty.
[05:44] <DanaG> hint: look at the date.
[05:45] <Halow> ! schedule
[05:45]  * DanaG wishes somebody would help fix this danged thing: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/284319
[05:45] <Lounge> i don't think alsa and ym intergraded sound card get along all that well
[05:45] <Lounge> my*
[05:45] <Halow> Lounge: Is it Intel? My Intel sound is fickle. =/
[05:46] <Lounge> how can i check?
[05:46] <dtchen> head /proc/asound/card0/codec*
[05:46] <Lounge> SigmaTel STAC9221 A1
[05:46] <Lounge> that's it
[05:46] <dtchen> yeah, you poor soul
[05:46] <scream> ubottu, I know.  But I don't see a release delay like the topic here states on that page you linked.  Why did you link it?
[05:47] <dtchen> i have no love for sigmatel HDA codecs
[05:47] <scream> ...
[05:47] <Lounge> so yeah i think its an issue with this hardware
[05:47] <dtchen> what "issue"?
[05:47] <Lounge> after a full boot up - sound is scratchy in the left ear
[05:48]  * Halow nods emphatically.
[05:48] <Halow> Same happens to me.
[05:48] <Lounge> so it gets fixed after 'sudo alsa force-reload'
[05:48] <Halow> Reboot usually fixes it? Ohhh... never tried that.
[05:48] <dtchen> can you guys try enable_msi=1 ?
[05:48] <dtchen> i.e.,
[05:49] <DanaG> oh yeah, I am using enable_msi=1.  =þ
[05:49] <dtchen> echo options snd-hda-intel enable_msi=1|sudo tee -a /etc/modprobe.d/test.conf
[05:49] <dtchen> the effectiveness is highly dependent on bios and mainboard
[05:49] <DanaG> My laptop really does have interesting hardware.  =þ
[05:50] <dtchen> i.e., i can't enact that workaround for everyone, but it may help on your hardware
[05:50] <dtchen> oh, and you'd need to power-cycle to test it
[05:51] <Halow> Hm... OK, let me do up a cold boot.
[06:00] <Halow> dtchen: Still static on the left side. =/
[06:01] <DanaG> wow, the HP MIE has some really odd boot parameters.
[06:02] <DanaG> ht=on clocksource=hpet reboot=a acpi_os_name=Symphony acpi_osi=video_repost
[06:02] <DanaG> that last one seems invalid to me.  =þ
[06:03] <Lounge> i blame sigmtel and its lack of support for linux
[06:03] <Lounge> for me that is and the scratchy sound in the left ear
[06:03] <Halow> Lounge: And you said sudo alsa force-reload would fix it for you?
[06:04] <Lounge> yes but i have to do it everytime after a cold bootup
[06:04] <Halow> Lounge: Seems I have the same codec as you, as well.
[06:04] <Halow> Lounge: Hm. Didn't fix it for me. =(
[06:04] <Lounge> hmm it works forme
[06:04]  * Halow shrugs
[06:04] <Halow> Reboot works for me. Off I get. ;P
[06:04]  * DanaG wishes somebody would make a nise cancellation plugin for ALSA.
[06:08] <dtchen> Halow: interesting. Can you pastebin your dmesg?
[06:08] <Halow> Uh... OK!
[06:11] <DanaG> You are unable to play in 3D mode due to the following problems:  No Python OpenGL support   No Python GTKGLExt support  Please contact your system administrator to resolve these problems, until then you will be able to play chess in 2D mode.
[06:11] <DanaG> I AM my system administrator!
[06:11] <DanaG> give me _package_ _names_!
[06:12] <DanaG> oh, at least the packages are named sanely now.
[06:12] <Halow> dtchen: http://paste.ubuntu.com/142551/
[06:17] <dtchen> Halow: ok, other things to try in that test.conf: instead of enable_msi=1, use position_fix=1
[06:18] <dtchen> Halow: we can also look at bdl_pos_adj
[06:21] <Halow> dtchen: OK, I will do some trial and error with that when time allows for it. Thanks again.
[06:22] <yofel> has anybody here got an idea how to translate 'modprobe usbserial vendor=... product=...' into something that can be used with the jaunty kernel? (Since usbserial is compiled into the kernel now)
[06:23] <dtchen> module.options=value
[06:23] <dtchen> on the kernel command line
[06:27] <yofel> dtchen: thanks
[07:05] <TommyBres_> my sound
[07:05] <TommyBres_> werkz
[07:21] <o0Chris0o> hey guys, how do I install flash on 64bit machine? I tried google, but I can't find the linux version for 64bit
[07:25] <enterneo> if I do a fresh ubuntu 9.04 beta install, do I need to separately keep a ext3 /boot partition for grub (i am going to partition the filesystem as ext4)
[07:26] <Halow> The new grub included in Jaunty will boot from ext4.
[07:27] <enterneo> 'JAUNTY RELEASE HAS BEEN DELAYED TO AUGUST DUE TO PROBLEMS' - are we also playing april fool jokes on IRC, or is this real, because i don't see any such updates on ubuntu website
[07:28] <eagles0513875> hey guys im trying to mount a remote windows share using the following command sudo smbmount //192.168.2.2/users /mnt/WindowsShare -o -username=jonathan,password=623xvnqh48, rw for some reason it keeps telling me i type the command and execute ount error: can not change directory into mount target /mnt/WindowsShare
[07:28] <eagles0513875> what am i doing wrong?
[07:30] <crdlb> enterneo: what do you think? :/
[07:31] <enterneo> i am reclining towards it being a joke, heh
[07:31] <crdlb> don't fall out of your chair
[07:34] <eagles0513875> any of you guys know what my issue is im not sure itf its a bug in jaunty or me being half awake this am
[07:48] <znull> hello,on ubuntu 9.04 can I encrypt my hard disk? ( on windows I use trucrypt... I know that they support linux too ) but it's that safe?
[08:10] <lanoxx> does bash by default not search . for the program to execute? when i run ./<myprogram> is works, but <s
 doesnt work
[08:11] <crdlb> lanoxx: indeed, it does not
[08:12] <lanoxx> crdlb, is that considered a bug?
[08:12] <crdlb> nope
[08:12] <lanoxx> on intrepid . is included as first parameter of $PATH
[08:13] <Riesh> Hi, am on jaunty, but would like to know howto compile kde from anonsvn.kde.org ... seems the instructions on the techbase.kde.org are a little outdated. When i try to install the development packages i get errors about versions and so
[08:13] <lanoxx> so was that changed deliberately
[08:13] <crdlb> lanoxx: not unless you changed it ...
[08:13] <Riesh> like libsvn-dev: Depends: libaprutil1-dev but it is not going to be installed
[08:14] <lanoxx> crdlb, you mean the default for intrepid is also to no include . and i changed this? maybe i did and just forgot ;)
[08:14] <crdlb> lanoxx: yes
[08:14] <lanoxx> crdlb, so is this done for security reasons?
[08:15] <crdlb> as long as only the user path was modified, I don't see how that'd be a huge security risk
[08:15] <crdlb> it would just be weird
[08:16] <lanoxx> crdlb, including the . would be weired? why?
[08:16] <crdlb> becsuse i wouldn't expect an executable in the working directory to shadow a real one
[08:17] <crdlb> not to mention that bash caches path lookups
[08:17] <RAOF> It's somewhat of a security risk if it's set by default.  User-folders with malicious ls binaries, and such.
[08:18] <lanoxx> RAOF, ok, so thats probably why it isnt set
[08:18] <RAOF> Yup.
[08:18] <crdlb> well, executable code on the system is already a security problem :)
[08:18] <crdlb> ~/bin is enabled by default, isn't it?
[08:19] <crdlb> or did I add it?
[08:19] <lanoxx> .:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games:/usr/share/ant/bin
[08:19] <lanoxx> thats what i get
[08:20] <RAOF> crdlb: Pretty sure you added it.
[08:20] <crdlb> hmm, I guess I did add it
[08:20] <eagles0513875> Riesh: i get turned around with that stuff as well
[08:21] <RAOF> I've added it (well, actually ~/.local/bin).  But that's not as bad as . in path.
[08:21] <lanoxx> i guess having . in the first place is not a good idea then, but i can find where its added, surely not in my .bashrc
[08:21] <Riesh> eagles0513875: where to ask then ? ....
[08:21] <crdlb> RAOF: hmm, it's in /etc/skel/.profile
[08:21] <RAOF> With . in path, and a multi-user environment, you can accidentally run _other people's_ code.
[08:22] <crdlb> RAOF: lol at ~/.local/bin
[08:22] <eagles0513875> Riesh: kde
[08:22] <crdlb> that's nice ;)
[08:22] <Riesh> mmmm ... they probably say to check with kubuntu groups :-)
[08:23] <eagles0513875> Riesh: they will tell you to check the kde tech base which confuses the living day lights outa me
[08:24] <lanoxx> crdlb, what other location could i have added the . if not in .bashrc?
[08:24] <Riesh> eagles0513875: Seems that techbase is a little old with it's instructions
[08:24] <Riesh> eagles0513875: they still talk about 4.1
[08:24] <crdlb> lanoxx: ~/.profile ?
[08:25] <crdlb> heh, due to the .profile, I had it in two places :D
[08:25] <lanoxx> thats the same as /etc/skel/.profile, but there is also no .
[08:25] <crdlb> both in front of the PATH and at the end of it
[08:25] <crdlb> lanoxx: well, you don't have it now, do you? :)
[08:26] <crdlb> I don't know why you would have lost it on upgrade though
[08:26] <crdlb> unless this wasn't an upgrade
[08:26] <lanoxx> in intrepid i still have it, and i only run jaunty in virtualbox
[08:26] <crdlb> ah
[08:26] <eagles0513875> Riesh: the concepts i think will be the same
[08:26] <eagles0513875> Riesh: kde channel is best place to ask
[08:26] <lanoxx> which is a bit of a pain, because it only runs at 800x600
[08:27] <lanoxx> it would be interesting to find out where i added that . to the PATH
[08:27] <Riesh> eagles0513875: ok ok ... going there then
[08:27] <eagles0513875> im there as well
[08:29] <lanoxx> crdlb, if you know any other file excapt ~/.profile and ~/.bashrc let me know
[08:29] <lanoxx> s/excapt/except
[08:29] <crdlb> well, there are the system versions
[08:30] <lanoxx> /etc/profile and /etc/bash.bashrc i also check those
[08:30] <crdlb> /etc/profile and /etc/bash.bashrc
[08:30] <lanoxx> :p
[08:30] <crdlb> maybe you're just hallucinating
[08:31] <lanoxx> sudo grep PATH /etc/* --> revealed /etc/environment
[08:32] <lanoxx> i just removed it
[08:32] <lanoxx> btw. in jaunty i have the local debug symbols now
[08:32] <crdlb> I hope you mean you just removed the '.:' :)
[08:33] <lanoxx> haha, sure
[08:33] <lanoxx> how do i reload /etc/environment?
[08:34] <lanoxx> oh nvm, source worked
[08:38] <lanoxx> is there an equivalent to scp for ftp?
[08:38] <eagles0513875> !ftp
[08:38] <eagles0513875> lanoxx: hopefully those help
[08:40] <lanoxx> well i was more looking for a program that is not interactive
[08:40] <eMaX> anyone here has experiences with 3g connections (hsdpa, umts, etc.) on linux?
[08:42] <koperton> eMaX: what's about that?
[08:45] <lanoxx> eagles0513875, isnt there something that can cp over ftp? cp is for local only and scp only used ssh so how can i copy with a single command over ftp if i dont want to run interactive commands
[08:45] <eagles0513875> im not sure lanoxx :(
[08:45] <eagles0513875> !info securecopy
[08:45] <eagles0513875> !info secure copy
[08:46] <lanoxx> eagles0513875, well nevermind, i just figured that the server has ssh :p
[08:46] <lanoxx> lol
[08:46] <lanoxx> stupid me
[08:46] <eagles0513875> lol
[08:50] <corinth>  Wait what?
[08:50] <corinth> Okay
[08:50] <corinth> I'm in California, and it's even past midnight for me
[08:50] <corinth> Someone forget to change the topic?   >_>
[08:51] <crdlb> Hawaii
[08:51]  * corinth calls for a vote for not loving Hawaii
[08:52] <eMaX> koperton, I've a sierra 850 and under xp I've 1.5 mbit downstream while under linux I have 400 kbit
[08:52] <lunie2ns-linux> can anyone tell me why the screen keeps fading into grey and out?
[08:53] <crdlb> wow, it's really quiet now
[08:53] <crdlb> (my hdd just spun down)
[08:54] <corinth> I have a 250GB ssd
[08:54] <corinth> In my dreams. :-(
[08:54] <corinth> So
[08:54] <corinth> Am I the only one that has a weird alternate wallpaper in the Jaunty beta?
[08:54] <corinth> The mac-ish human wallpaper
[08:55] <corinth> On the left side, a brown line
[08:55] <corinth> (sorry for flooding, slap me)
[08:55] <koperton> !slap
[08:55] <koperton> hihih
[08:55] <corinth> Lol
[08:56] <koperton> here is 9.56 am
[08:56] <koperton> italy
[09:20] <methril|work> someone with a MacBook Pro here?
[09:20] <methril|work> i'm not able to start the Xs after a reboot
[09:20] <methril|work> neither with standard xorg.conf
[09:22] <mnemo> methril|work: when X hangs, log into that machine and save the xorg.log and also dmesg output and also do "sudo gdb -p $(pidof X)" and inside gdb run "bt full" and attach all of that to a bug report
[09:22] <mnemo> also include "lspci -nn | grep VGA" so we know what chipset you have
[09:23] <methril|work> ok mnemo, i'll try this afternoon, through an ssh session
[09:23] <mnemo> thanks
[09:23] <methril|work> the chipset is an ATI mobility radeon
[09:24] <mnemo> that's not very specific
[09:24] <mnemo> please include the pci IDs
[09:25] <mnemo> they are at the end of they lspci -nn output
[09:25] <mnemo> they usually look like "[8086:2e22]" or so
[09:25] <methril|work> i know, i was only guessing if someone else reported one error like this
[09:26] <methril|work> first i try to update the packages
[09:26] <mnemo> good idea
[09:35] <[Vex]> I could have sworn that topic from yesterday was an April Fools joke.....
[09:35] <crdlb> it's still yesterday :)
[09:35] <[Vex]> oh sry, didn't realize that :P
[10:20] <[MindVirus]> Hi. I am not getting direct rendering on an Intel GMA945.
[10:21] <[MindVirus]> Any suggestions?
[10:21] <[MindVirus]> Sorry, GME.
[10:24] <fosco_> intel cards have some problems with X server 1.6
[10:25] <holdenss> anyone here know if there has been any updates in regards to jaunty and macbook 5,1 restarting properly and the heat issue?
[10:25] <fosco_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/304871
[10:26] <methril|work> holdenss: what's the heat issue?
[10:29] <lanoxx> how do i see the reason why an update has been kept back?
[10:30] <holdenss> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=969183
[10:33] <cwillu> lanoxx, did update-manager ask to do a partial update?
[10:33] <cwillu> lanoxx, if so, you need to answer yes
[10:33] <naymyo> hi
[10:34] <lanoxx> i used aptitude update
[10:34] <lanoxx> and no it didnt ask
[10:34] <cwillu> aptitude should say what conflicts then
[10:35] <lanoxx> it didnt tell me
[10:35] <lanoxx> is there any command i have to use?S
[10:35] <cwillu> pastebin the output
[10:36] <cwillu> wait, aptitude update, or aptitude upgrade?
[10:38] <DamienCassou> hi
[10:38] <cwillu> You installed jaunty on a machine that you rely on, did you? :p
[10:39] <DamienCassou> the very latest update (yesterday evening) break the dual screen support in some ways. The Gnome bar is now on the laptop screen but it was on the main screen before. Clicking on the maximize button of a window in the main screen does not maximizes it (in fact, it does vertically but not horizontally)
[10:40] <lanoxx> cwillu, its in the virtualmachine, can copy it at the moment, but it only says: has been kept back...
[10:40] <DamienCassou> should I report that on launchpad or is there a more direct way?
[10:40] <jonaskoelker> Hi all.  I upgraded my laptop (T43p) to Jaunty and now it won't boot: "ALERT! /dev/disk/by-uuid/f0207247-[...] does not exist. Dropping to a shell!"  (and I get busybox).  What do I do?
[10:40] <DamienCassou> it worked yesterday
[10:40] <jonaskoelker> before "ALERT! [...]", it said "\tCheck cryptopts=source= bootarg cat /proc/cmdline\n\tor missing modules, devices: cat /proc/modules ls /dev"
[10:41] <DamienCassou> jonaskoelker: did you change the partitions?
[10:41] <lanoxx> The follow packages have been kept back: ekiga ... and 1 not upgraded.
[10:41] <cwillu> DamienCassou, launchpad is the right place
[10:41] <jonaskoelker> DamienCassou: not that I know of
[10:41] <lanoxx> cwillu, thats all, its not important actually i was just currious why it woulnt update this package
[10:41] <jonaskoelker> DamienCassou: you mean the partition table?  then "Dear god no!" :)
[10:41] <DamienCassou> cwillu: thank you
[10:42]  * cwillu suggests aptitude --help to lanoxx :P
[10:42]  * cwillu notes the existence of the --why and --why-not
[10:42] <DamienCassou> jonaskoelker: edit /etc/fstab and look for the missing uuid.
[10:43] <jonaskoelker> DamienCassou: okay... how do I mount my encrypted volume where /etc/fstab is on?
[10:43] <DamienCassou> jonaskoelker: don't know, sorry
[10:43] <cwillu> jonaskoelker, a livecd is probably the easiest way to figure out what went wrong
[10:45] <DamienCassou> cwillu: what package should I feel the dual screen bug into?
[10:45] <kholerabbi> will jaunty have OO.o3?
[10:45] <cwillu> DamienCassou, if it was the panel breaking, gnome-panel is probably a good start
[10:45] <scizzo-> kholerabbi: 3.0.1 is installed here at least
[10:46] <cwillu> !info openoffice-writer
[10:46] <jonaskoelker> this is rich... Jaunty is delayed until august.  "We release every six months, except whet It's Not Ready" ... :D
[10:46] <cwillu> !info openoffice.org-writer
[10:46] <cwillu> silly .org
[10:46] <lanoxx> cwillu, why and why not only tell me there is no reason to remove it and that its recommended by gnome-desktop
[10:46] <cwillu> jonaskoelker, you know what day it is/was, right?
[10:46] <lanoxx> no mention on why its kept back, anyway i gotta go
[10:46] <jonaskoelker> I thought that might be it
[10:47] <jonaskoelker> ... is it still that day somewhere in the world?
[10:47] <holdenss> why is jaunty being delayed till august?
[10:47] <jonaskoelker> I'm having timezone arithmetic fail right now
[10:47] <jonaskoelker> holdenss: because it was the first of april ;-)
[10:47] <cwillu> for a few more hours I believe, yes
[10:47] <holdenss> lol
[10:48] <jonaskoelker> cwillu: it can't be much more than one; it's 12:00 minus epsilon at GMT+1, and timezones stretch over +- 12 hrs
[10:48] <cwillu> jonaskoelker, I'm at -6:00, and it's only 3:50 or so here
[10:49] <cwillu> by my worst case arithmetic, that implies two more hours :p
[10:49] <jonaskoelker> huh
[10:49] <jonaskoelker> ah yeah, DST
[10:49] <jonaskoelker> I hate time
[10:49]  * cwillu lives where there is no dst
[10:49] <cwillu> <3 saskatchewan!
[10:59] <boby> hello to all
[11:00] <Le-Chuck_ITA> Good morning all
[11:00] <boby> i need help
[11:00] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I can't find the localisation packages of kile in jaunty, where did they go?
[11:00] <holdenss> well whats your question then?
[11:01] <Le-Chuck_ITA> boby: in IRC you never ask to ask, you just ask :)
[11:01] <boby> my microphone doesn't work in skype but it works in audacity
[11:01] <Le-Chuck_ITA> boby did you take a look at the skype audio configuration?
[11:01] <boby> jes
[11:01] <boby> yes*
[11:01] <nperry> Meh, neil@neil-desktop:~$ ndiswrapper -l
[11:01] <nperry> WARNING: All config files need .conf: /etc/modprobe.d/ndiswrapper, it will be ignored in a future release.
[11:01] <Le-Chuck_ITA> boby and what distribution are you using by the way
[11:02] <boby> it is kubuntu 8.10 upgraded to 9.04 with alternate cd
[11:02] <Le-Chuck_ITA> boby: what is the selected device for audio input in skype?
[11:02] <boby> let me check...
[11:04] <boby> sound in and sound out are: HDA ATI SB (hw:SB,0)
[11:04] <boby> I tried others but problem persist
[11:04] <boby> it is integreted mic 'couse it is laptop
[11:05] <Le-Chuck_ITA> ok I may be wrong but I think that you have the pulseaudio server running, while skype is trying to access the device directly (that's the meaning of the hw: part)
[11:05] <Le-Chuck_ITA> we have 2 different tries
[11:05] <Le-Chuck_ITA> ah no
[11:06] <Le-Chuck_ITA> sorry you are using kde
[11:06] <boby> yes
[11:06] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I don't know anything about recent developments, anyone else?
[11:06] <Le-Chuck_ITA> just try to close all audio applications and killall pulseaudio as root
[11:06] <Le-Chuck_ITA> that's what I would blindly do :)
[11:07] <boby> I can select as sound in "pulse" but nothing happend (still don't work)
[11:07] <Le-Chuck_ITA> also make sure that pulseaudio is not running (ps aux|grep pulse)
[11:08] <Le-Chuck_ITA> boby: I know, so let's try the other way round, disabling pulse and seeing if that helps
[11:08] <boby> ok
[11:09] <BUGabundo> guud morning
[11:10] <Le-Chuck_ITA> BUGabundo: to you! So you are in europe?
[11:10] <Le-Chuck_ITA> or in africa?
[11:10] <Le-Chuck_ITA> ah yes I suppose I can tell it from your nick :)
[11:11] <boby> I killed pulseaudio process and now I dont't heve sound :)
[11:11] <Le-Chuck_ITA> boby: that proves that kde is using pulseaudio, I am sure you can change it in kde settings, but does skype work now?
[11:12] <GSMX> the MOTD still thinks it's April 1st...
[11:12] <boby> what do you mean "does skype work now"?
[11:13] <Le-Chuck_ITA> boby: did you try if the skype mic is working?
[11:13] <Le-Chuck_ITA> without pulseaudio I mean
[11:13] <boby> yes I have
[11:13] <cwillu> ping
[11:13] <BUGabundo> Le-Chuck_ITA: Portugal
[11:13] <boby> and no it is ont working
[11:13] <boby> not*
[11:13] <Le-Chuck_ITA> BUGabundo: I was there once, in Braga and Lisbon... nice towns
[11:14] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I must change my nick as I don't live in italy right now...
[11:14] <BUGabundo> Pici: can you please update /topic ? thanks
[11:14] <BUGabundo> Le-Chuck_ITA: don't you ? I thought you did!
[11:14] <Le-Chuck_ITA> BUGabundo: I moved to madrid last month and will be in holland next year :)
[11:15] <BUGabundo> ahh
[11:15] <BUGabundo> so you going to UDS?
[11:15] <Le-Chuck_ITA> hmm
[11:15] <Le-Chuck_ITA> didn't consider the possibility where is it?
[11:15] <methril|work> Le-Chuck_ITA: i'm in Madrid too
[11:15] <cwillu> BUGabundo, heh, we're talking about jaunty in -offtopic right now, and you're talking about -offtopic stuff in +1 :)
[11:16]  * BUGabundo goes
[11:16] <boby> when I killed pulse and try test call in skype I don't hear sound (ringing)
[11:16] <Mulder> heh nice april foolsl
[11:17] <Le-Chuck_ITA> what's the offtopic channel? #ubuntu-offtopic?
[11:17] <BUGabundo> yes
[11:18] <Le-Chuck_ITA> boby: that's quite strange, what is the currently selected audio in and out in skype again? however I fear I can't help you more
[11:19] <boby> but I don't unerstand me
[11:19] <BUGabundo> boby you may need to restart skype
[11:19] <boby> I don't have sound if  I kill pulse
[11:19] <BUGabundo> or to change its settings to use other sound systemm
[11:20] <Le-Chuck_ITA> boby: I know you don't have sound in other applications, because they think that pulse is running. Making them not use pulse is a separate problem
[11:20] <Le-Chuck_ITA> now just let's concentrate on skype :)
[11:20] <BUGabundo> you can't
[11:20] <BUGabundo> lol
[11:20] <jonaskoelker> Hi folks.  I upgraded my laptop (T43p) to Jaunty and now it won't boot: "ALERT! /dev/disk/by-uuid/f0207247-[...] does not exist. Dropping to a shell!"  (and I get busybox).  What do I do?
[11:20] <boby> ok
[11:20] <BUGabundo> either the system has sound or it doesn't
[11:20] <BUGabundo> skype will be equially affected
[11:21] <BUGabundo> jonaskoelker: boot livecd/usb
[11:21] <jonaskoelker> I found this thread, it might be related http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=916726&page=5
[11:21] <BUGabundo> and fix the UUID
[11:21] <BUGabundo> on fstab or grub
[11:21] <jonaskoelker> BUGabundo: please elaborate on "fix the UUID"
[11:21] <boby> jonaskoeler after restart try booting recovery mode and then select try to fix X it worked for me
[11:22] <syockit> boby: he cannot even boot to disk
[11:22] <BUGabundo> boby: $ ls /dev/disk/by-uuid/ -la
[11:22] <BUGabundo> jonaskoelker: : $ ls /dev/disk/by-uuid/ -la
[11:22] <BUGabundo> see the proper UUID there
[11:22] <boby> he said it drops to shell
[11:22] <boby> so it boots
[11:22] <BUGabundo> then check /etc/fstab and /boot/grub/menu.list
[11:23] <syockit> boby: and also said busybox
[11:23] <jonaskoelker> boby: I said it drops to busybox...
[11:23] <BUGabundo> as I said... use a livecd to fix
[11:23] <jonaskoelker> does 7.04 livecd have the cryptographic foo required to mount my stuff?
[11:24] <syockit> jonaskoelker: chances are slim... dunno if you can apt-get it
[11:24] <jonaskoelker> wee
[11:24] <syockit> bummer
[11:24] <boby> ok ok i didn't read don't kill me :)
[11:24] <jonaskoelker> my computer with a CD burner in it can't boot, so I can't burn a CD so I can boot a live CD so I can fix that the box with a CD burner can't boot
[11:25] <jonaskoelker> :D
[11:25] <jonaskoelker> boby: ok, we'll spare you :P
[11:25] <cwillu> but yes, this does fall under the category of 'don't run pre-release if you can't afford to lose stuff' :p
[11:25] <jonaskoelker> :D
[11:26] <jonaskoelker> I can, I just don't wanna
[11:26] <jonaskoelker> one would think I had the ability to learn from last time ;)
[11:26] <syockit> jonaskoelker: you don't got no thumbdrive or something?
[11:26] <syockit> two of them, at least
[11:27] <jonaskoelker> if I say "yes", doesn't that not not negate the double negation?
[11:27] <jonaskoelker> I have a thumbdrive
[11:27] <boby> after restarting skype audio in and out are chaged to pulse and when I try test call I still don't have sound
[11:27] <BUGabundo> jonaskoelker: can't you use USB?
[11:27] <jonaskoelker> BUGabundo: for what?
[11:27] <jonaskoelker> a live USB
[11:27] <jonaskoelker> distro
[11:28] <BUGabundo> yes
[11:28] <Le-Chuck_ITA> hmm
[11:28] <syockit> of course, you can try booting with the old cd and see if it can download the required soft for the cryptie thing
[11:28] <Le-Chuck_ITA> that's strange: seems like skype is "fixed" on pulse
[11:32] <boby> I got to go, thx anyway
[11:32] <Le-Chuck_ITA> boby if you understand that there's a bug somewhere please report it
[11:32] <boby> ok
[11:39] <jonaskoelker> yay, I luksOpen'ed my disk
[11:39] <jonaskoelker> now mount /dev/mapper/crypto_home /mnt/crypt fails "mount: unknown filesystem type 'lvm2pv'"
[11:40] <jonaskoelker> (as it happened, I already had fedora10 on my usb stick)
[11:41] <SwedeMike> jonaskoelker: what does pvscan say?
[11:41] <SwedeMike> jonaskoelker: because it might indicate that the filesystem is not directly on the crypted device but it's got lvm on it
[11:41] <jonaskoelker> PV /dem/dm-2   VG bianca   lvm2 [55.65 GB  / 0 free]
[11:42] <jonaskoelker> total: 1 [55.65 GB] / in use: 1 [55.65 GB] / in no VG: 0 [0  ]
[11:42] <SwedeMike> jonaskoelker: and "lvscan" ?
[11:42] <jonaskoelker> yeah, I figured out I have [physical partition] -> [encrypted layer] -> [lvm] -> [root and swap]
[11:43] <jonaskoelker> inactive '/dev/bianca/root' [53.33 GB] inherit'
[11:43] <jonaskoelker> inactive '/dev/bianca/swap_1' [2.32 GB] inherit'
[11:43] <SwedeMike> ok, so you want do lvchange -a /dev/bianca/root to activate it, then you can mount /dev/bianca/root
[11:43] <jonaskoelker> invalid argument /dev/bianca/root
[11:45] <SwedeMike> ah, well, you need to mount it somewhere as well
[11:46] <SwedeMike> so /dev/bianca/root is your root device, instead of "mount /dev/mapper/crypto_home /mnt/crypt" as you did before
[11:46] <SwedeMike> so you need to do "mount /dev/bianca/root /mnt/crypt"
[11:46] <jonaskoelker> there is no /dev/bianca/root
[11:46] <jonaskoelker> there is no /dev/bianca
[11:46] <jonaskoelker> (in the file system, that is)
[11:48] <jonaskoelker> SwedeMike: what to do?
[11:49] <SwedeMike> what does "lvscan" say now?
[11:49] <jonaskoelker> same as before
[11:49] <SwedeMike> so you didn't run "lvchange -a /dev/bianca/root" ?
[11:49] <jonaskoelker> I did
[11:49] <jonaskoelker> it said invalid argument /dev/bianca/root
[11:49] <SwedeMike> ah, "lvchange -a y /dev/bianca/root"
[11:50] <mrb__> hello. anybody got the VMware installed ? I need some help ?
[11:50] <jonaskoelker> yay, my files!!! :D
[11:56] <jonaskoelker> okay, so now the interesting question: why doesn't /dev/disk/by-uuid/f[...] exist during bootup and luks?
[12:04] <eagles0513875> anyoone else in here experiencing samba shares or opening stuff ona  remote machine to be rather sluggish on dolphin
[12:11] <eMaX_> hi
[12:11] <eMaX_> anyone using here a sierra umts card?
[12:15] <[Vex]> hmmm still yesterday, ey...
[12:31] <eMaX_> nyone here has experiences with umts cards?
[12:41] <ActionParsnip> yo yo yo
[12:42] <zniavre> !intel
[12:42] <zniavre> !uxa
[12:42] <[Vex]> no one does
[12:42] <[Vex]> about intel ;)
[12:43] <knittl> Xorg is still munching my cpu :( doesn't matter if i'm using nv or nvidia driver …
[12:43] <knittl> it was ok the other day … but i don't know what i changed
[12:43] <rconan> knittl: is this while running firefox?
[12:48] <knittl> argh … don't killall dbus-daemon xD
[12:50] <Torgan> hello
[12:50] <Torgan> Hello, I upgraded 8.10 to 9.04beta, and don't have deb and deb-src commands any more
[12:50] <Torgan> is it normal ?
[12:51] <void^> deb commands?
[12:51] <rconan> was there ever a deb command?
[12:52] <Torgan> yes
[12:52] <Torgan> http://doc.ubuntu-fr.org/epiphany
[12:53] <Torgan> the commands did thinks right before :)
[12:53] <Torgan> not any more though
[12:53] <nandemonai> Umm..
[12:53] <void^> i don't think so. those are repo lines for /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:53] <nandemonai> Those are repo entries.
[12:53] <Torgan> hm
[12:53] <ActionParsnip> Torgan: deb and deb-src are entries in /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:54] <ActionParsnip> Torgan: they arent commands
[12:54] <Torgan> I think I'm getting old
[12:54] <Torgan> you're right
[12:54] <Torgan> I was sure I typed that in a terminal once
[12:54] <Torgan> sorry, really sorry for being stupid
[12:54] <jonaskoelker> When I get dumped into busybox at boot, there's no /dev/disk
[12:54] <void^> i'm sure you did, the terminal was running vi at the time :)
[12:54] <Torgan> and thanks for pointing it out :))
[12:54] <jonaskoelker> Why not?  I think there should be...
[12:54] <nandemonai> Perhaps you echoed those lines to /etc/apt/sources.list? ;)
[12:55] <Torgan> yes
[12:55] <jonaskoelker> How can I find out what's wrong?  Is it a bad initramfs, missing modules, ...?
[12:55] <Torgan> I think that's what I did
[12:55] <topyli> hmm i just opened about 50 terminals :-o
[12:55] <hil> .oO( uɐƃɹoʇ oʇ sǝoƃ ɹǝǝq punoɹ ʇxǝu )     ;)
[12:55] <ActionParsnip> !ru
[12:56] <topyli> i pressed my "open terminal" keyboard shortcut, but didn't expect fifty of them
[12:56] <rconan> jonaskoelker: /dev/disk files are just symlinks to normal disk device nodes
[12:56] <rconan> ActionParsnip: did you not recognise the upside down letters?
[12:56] <jonaskoelker> oh; also, /dev/sd* are not there
[12:56] <jonaskoelker> rconan: got an idea why that might be?
[12:56] <Aberration2> I got two small bugs to repport and I don't know what to do :-D
[12:56] <Aberration2> should I speak here?
[12:57] <rconan> ActionParsnip: go to bugs.launchpad.net and post them there
[12:57] <topyli> Aberration2: go to http://launchpad.net and report them
[12:57] <rconan> if you say them here we might have heard of them
[12:57] <vega> first thing would be to search if someone already reported them
[12:57] <rconan> oh... ActionParsnip I meant Aberration2
[12:57] <ActionParsnip> rconan: hehe, bad tab
[12:57] <rconan> stupid tab-completion
[12:58] <rconan> jonaskoelker: are there no disk nodes at all in /dev
[12:58] <rconan> ?
[12:59] <jonaskoelker> rconan: no sd*, no hd*
[12:59] <rconan> jonaskoelker: when is this?
[12:59] <jonaskoelker> rconan: when boot fails and puts me in busybox
[13:00] <rconan> that's in the initramfs, the liklihood is it failed because it doesn't have drivers for the storage controller
[13:00] <rconan> hence no disk nodes
[13:01] <jonaskoelker> rconan: cool.  How do I fix this?
[13:01] <joneskoo> woots, I didn't expect this rapid developmeny cycle in 9.04. a bug I filed yesterday has apparently been fixed since nautilus doesn't crash at least on vmware. yay. :)
[13:01] <knittl> could it be that vino-server makes Xorg use a lot of cpu-time?
[13:02] <rconan> jonaskoelker: what IDE/SATA controller is it?
[13:02] <rconan> knittl: when are you seeing the excessive load? is it while browsing with firefox?
[13:03] <jonaskoelker> how do I tell?
[13:03] <knittl> rconan: all the time, after logging in
[13:03] <rconan> jonaskoelker: pastebin the output of the command :lspci
[13:03] <rconan> sorry... random : in there
[13:03] <rconan> ignore it
[13:04] <knittl> very well … but strange, i don't even have connection to my machine
[13:05] <rconan> knittl: I had some issue with Xorg using massive amounts of CPU due to bug #38131
[13:05] <rconan> but if it's not just while you're running firefox then it might be unrelated
[13:05] <knittl> no, firefox is running and it's down atm
[13:06] <knittl> there are several bugs related to Xorg using too much cpu
[13:06] <rconan> knittl: can you identify what it is which causes it to go up?
[13:06] <knittl> vino-server … after killing it it goes down
[13:06] <knittl> and Xorg only uses 1–2% again (the usual)
[13:07] <knittl> oh yes, started vino again: Xorg > 10%, 1 core working on 100%
[13:08] <jonaskoelker> rconan: pastebin.com/m71c17742
[13:08] <knittl> disabling remote desktop … cpu usage down to 2%
[13:09] <rconan> knittl: search for it on the bug tracker and report it if it isn't there
[13:09] <hil> term
[13:09] <knittl> rconan: yup, i'm at it
[13:09] <rconan> jonaskoelker: your controller is this one: #
[13:10] <rconan> 00:1f.2 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82801FBM (ICH6M) SATA Controller (rev 03)
[13:10] <knittl> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vino/+bug/31037 :D
[13:10] <rconan> I would have thought that should just work...
[13:10] <knittl> although it's for 6.06
[13:10] <jonaskoelker> rconan: cool.  So how do I check whether the initramdisk has support for it?  And if not, how do I add it?
[13:10] <rconan> knittl: odd... perhaps a regression
[13:10] <knittl> and seems fixed …
[13:11] <knittl> but a few days ago it didn't happen … though it happens like 90% of the time
[13:11] <rconan> jonaskoelker: I'm not sure, the controller should be well supported
[13:11] <rconan> knittl: I assume you've got all the available updates
[13:11] <knittl> rconan: yop, i update every day (several times :D)
[13:11] <joneskoo> can someone give me a hint? on debian I could do modprobe usbserial vendor=0x1e0e product=0x9200, on 9.04 usbserial is apparently not a module. how do I tell usbserial to support this USB ID?
[13:11] <jonaskoelker> yes, and my box "should" just boot :)
[13:12] <rconan> jonaskoelker: indeed... I don't know anything about the initramfs in ubuntu
[13:12] <rconan> just thought i'd see if it was anything obvious
[13:12] <nperry1> Hey guys, need some help. Just did a clean install of 9.04 AMD64, Can't seem to get wireless networking
[13:13] <knittl> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-session/+bug/340515
[13:13] <knittl> should look into my logfiles
[13:13] <nperry1> ive got a pci and a usb, Both of the drivers work on i386 9.04, and the drivers are 64bit.
[13:13] <rconan> was than vino related too?
[13:13] <nperry1> I'm getting error "Apr  2 13:08:52 neil-desktop loadndisdriver: loadndisdriver: load_driver(358): couldn't load driver blkw"
[13:14] <rconan> nperry1: what wireless chipset if it (if you know)
[13:14] <knittl> Apr  2 14:07:53 kbook gnome-session[3685]: WARNING: Not able to stop app from its condition: Not running
[13:14] <knittl> one line of my syslog
[13:14] <nperry1> rconan, My PCI is 03:05.0 Ethernet controller: Marvell Technology Group Ltd. 88w8335 [Libertas] 802.11b/g Wireless (rev 03)
[13:14] <rconan> knittl: well if it's the bug you linked there shuld be many many lines of log
[13:15] <knittl> it is, i just pasted one
[13:15] <hil> knittl: how much cpu% should vino-server use?
[13:15] <rconan> next to none if there are no connections
[13:15] <knittl> hil: virtually nothing
[13:15] <knittl> rconan: my logfiles are just below one megabyte though
[13:16] <rconan> knittl: look at the timestamps? are there 100s every second?
[13:16] <rconan> if not then it's not that that's eating CPU
[13:16] <knittl> ok, then it's not
[13:16] <nperry1> rconan, Ive got it working.. ignore me :p
[13:16] <knittl> but it is vino-server
[13:16] <knittl> or related
[13:17] <rconan> knittl: it could be a regression on that first one you linked
[13:17] <rconan> does the CPU time drop if you make a connectino to it?
[13:17] <knittl> can't test that right now
[13:17] <Ienorand> Is it normal to have 11 zombie status "sh" processes?
[13:18] <hil> knittl: 15% here when connected, 1% idling
[13:18] <knittl> rconan: the second report is just from march, that seems like it's the right one
[13:19] <rconan> knittl: but we just checked that gnome-session isn't logging a lot of output...
[13:19] <knittl> but still … enabling vino-server makes my cpu go wild
[13:19] <knittl> disabling it let's it idle
[13:20] <rconan> and gnome-session isn't the process which is hogging your CPU it's vino-server
[13:20] <knittl> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-session/+bug/340515/comments/7
[13:20] <rconan> knittl: you need to check if it goes down when you connect... that would pin it as a regression on the first bug
[13:20] <knittl> i can see a process restart all the time in gnome-system-monitor (nameless)
[13:20] <frybye> what do other folks thing - I get the feeling that jaunty is already making a good impression...?
[13:21] <rconan> knittl: I should have read the bug more...
[13:21] <|ns|nR8> whats a good xchat font to use
[13:22] <rconan> knittl: although that says there was a fix released 2 days ago
[13:22] <knittl> hm yeah, strange
[13:22] <hil> |ns|nR8: i use monospace 7
[13:23] <rconan> frybye: it shows promise but it's still rather buggy, I've never used a beta for my main OS this early before though
[13:23] <|ns|nR8> thats not bad
[13:24] <|ns|nR8> think i like FreeSerif better
[13:24] <knittl> rconan: i still have remote desktop in my startup applications list, maybe there are really two instances fighting over cpu
[13:25] <rconan> knittl: it doesn't say what package the fix is in or what version it was in so there's no way to tell
[13:25] <knittl> rconan: at least i know how to avoid it, i'll see in a few days if it is fixed
[13:25] <hil> |ns|nR8: depends on taste ;) Serif-Fonts dont fit my theme-settings
[13:26] <rconan> knittl: if it isn't fixed after most recent updates and restart X you might want to reopen the bug
[13:26] <knittl> rconan: yup, will
[13:26] <|ns|nR8> your monitor must be huge to use 7 sized font
[13:26] <hil> 24" 1920x1200 (2 of them)
[13:26] <rconan> I use 8 size a lot
[13:27] <rconan> my terminals run at 9
[13:27] <makda> hi
[13:28] <joneskoo> what's the simplest way to install 9.04 to boot from a Debian Lenny NFS server? I have the setup  running for debian and old ubuntu but I don't remember exactly how I built it
[13:28] <joneskoo> debootstrap, likely, but since I have Debian Lenny and not ubuntu, is the debootstrap recent enough?
[13:29] <joneskoo> or should I take an image from vmware and rsync it to NFS?
[13:30] <makda> I just updated jaunty on my laptop... my KDE session keeps freezing up... I can move the mouse pointer and I can still ssh into the box... I just can't get interact with the session that I have running... any suggestions?
[13:30] <makda> its basically like my screen is not repainting
[13:31] <unknown_> hello, one small question... in ubuntu 9.10 doesn't seems to work anymore ctrl+alt+backspace to restart X server.. can somebody tell me how to fix it? :)
[13:32] <hil> unknown_: its a feature ;)
[13:33] <unknown_> :)
[13:33] <unknown_> so how can I do this now? :P
[13:33] <hil> unknown_: terminal -> dontzap --disable
[13:34] <unknown_> hil: Thanks a lot :)
[13:34] <hil> yw
[13:35] <unknown_> hil: maybe you know also program like ethtool to enable wakeonlan for wireless network? :)
[13:36] <unknown_> I'm trying to google for it, but no success : /
[13:36] <hil> unknown_: sorry, no wlan here, cant help u there
[13:37] <unknown_> hil: okey, thank you
[13:39] <Le-Chuck_ITA> hi there, is it a bug if installing imgseek it depends on python < 2.6 and 2.6.1 is installed? Or how does one proceed in this case?
[13:39] <vega> dontzap --disable ... what about zap --enable?
[13:39] <vega> always funny these "double negative" phrases
[13:40] <hil> a program called zap did already exist ;)
[13:40] <penguin42> All of the 'do things when I put media in' seems to have got disabled during the upgrade to current Jaunty - is that on purpose?
[13:40] <vega> hil: ok :)
[13:41] <hil> unknown_: maybe this helps.. bottom part http://blog.dustinkirkland.com/2009/02/ubuntu-server-suspendhibernateresume.html
[13:42] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I don't understand: I have the python2.5 package installed, why does apt refuse to install imgseek which requires python<2.6??
[13:46] <Le-Chuck_ITA> for this reason :) https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/imgseek/+bug/342450
[13:46] <unknown_> hil: yes, i found how to do this on ethx interface, but this ethtool doesn't support wlan..
[13:47] <Ienorand> Is it normal to have 11 zombie status "sh" processes? Or would I need to get the shotgun out and start a killing spree?
[13:51] <frybye> hil: I am running jaunty but when trying dontzap --disabled it says dontzap is not installed???
[13:52] <Leon_Nardella> Anybody else having freezes with ext4 on Jaunty under heavy IO ( 'make clean', 'rm -rf' on 1GB source trees ) ?
[13:52] <hil> frybye: so install it ;)
[13:53] <frybye> ok - I just thought this might be indicative of some bigger problem..
[13:53] <hil> frybye: nope, all ok. thats the way it should be ;)
[13:53] <crankharder> "the printer 'brother' requires the '/Library/Printers/Brother/Filter/rastertobrother5240' program but it is not currently installed -- ???
[14:01] <miik> 2.6.28-11, my computer froze and it said "ata2.0 revalidation error errno=5" and "SRST"
[14:01] <miik> why?
[14:01] <hil> crankharder: is the package brother-cups-wrapper-laser installed?
[14:05] <unknown_> btw guys, is it bug that every time when I use sudo rmmod iwl3945 I'm getting kernel panic?? :/ (leds starts blinking)
[14:06] <penguin42> unknown_: Yes
[14:06] <penguin42> milk: Do you see any other lines?
[14:10] <miik> penguin42, not today, but it has crashed before with other lines that i forgot, maybe inode error
[14:11] <penguin42> milk: It's probably important to see the rest of the errors - especially if any of todays just before the ATA revalidation - that's something at the level of the disc interface or drive - not really enough information there
[14:15] <BluesKaj> howdy all
[14:16] <penguin42> hi
[14:17] <scizzo-> hello
[14:17] <Eruaran> hi
[14:23] <matrixblue_> morning
[14:23] <ikonia> hello
[14:23] <matrixblue_> sup?
[14:23] <nperry> :)
[14:26] <matrixblue_> ikonia: Do you work for Canonical?
[14:26] <ikonia> nope
[14:26] <matrixblue_> What's your involvement in Ubuntu?
[14:26] <miik> where i can see the ubuntu kernel changelog?
[14:26] <ikonia> nothing
[14:27] <ikonia> miik: isn't there a file in the source package ?
[14:27] <jtheuer> What is the difference between starting X with kdm or startx? KDM goes to the failsafe mode, while startx works fine.
[14:27] <miik> dunno
[14:27] <ikonia> miik: it also shows in update manager when you update
[14:27] <miik> yeah, i know... but now i already updated..and i want to check it now..
[14:27] <ikonia> miik: there are some brief notes in synaptic when you select the package
[14:28] <jpds> jtheuer: Try checking /var/log/Xorg.0.log to see why it fails.
[14:28] <matrixblue_> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/jaunty-changes
[14:28] <miik> ikonia, thanks
[14:28] <jtheuer> jpds: isn't it the kdm.log?
[14:28] <jpds> miik: /usr/share/doc/linux-image-generic/changelog.gz
[14:29] <ikonia> jpds: nice
[14:29] <Exilant> someone knows if resolvconf still bites networkmanager?
[14:29] <Exilant> vpnc now wants it
[14:29] <scizzo-> Exilant: bites networkmanager?
[14:29] <jpds> jtheuer: Either one ought to give you some clue about what's wrong.
[14:29] <miik> jpds, thanks
[14:29] <Exilant> used to make things complicated in alpha<5 or so
[14:30] <bjsnider> my system gets to a login screen after 10 seconds, and to the desktop after 15 more
[14:30] <jpds> miik: Or something like /usr/share/doc/linux-image-2.6.28-11-generic/changelog.Debian.gz might give you mre details.
[14:30] <Exilant> scizzo-: resolvconf wanted /etc/resolv.conf to be a symlink, networkmanager didn't
[14:30] <jtheuer> jpds: the first error is: (EE) Failed to initialize GLX extension (Compatible NVIDIA X driver not found)
[14:30] <giarca> I have strange a problem with shiretoko's font but not the fonts of web page but font of firefox's windows (File,Edit,View...)
[14:30] <matrixblue_> jpds: did you try dpkg-reconfigure to repair Xserver?
[14:31] <giarca> it seems to use the same font of 3.0.8 but in bold style :)
[14:32] <jtheuer> matrixblue_: I you meant me: I didn't because startx works fine....
[14:32] <matrixblue_> jtheuer: try repairing KDM then
[14:33] <matrixblue_> jtheuer: When you use startx what desktop manager starts?
[14:33] <jtheuer> matrixblue_: kde
[14:34] <matrixblue_> jtheuer: and it starts with full graphics?
[14:34] <aapzak> anyone else still got serious scrambling of kde4 windows?
[14:35] <penguin42> aapzak: Yeh I've seen a bit of that
[14:35] <jtheuer> matrixblue_: yes, glxgears works for example
[14:35] <matrixblue_> jtheuer: Have you checked your default login session?
[14:35] <jtheuer> video is fine and the window skin has a nice gradient ;-) It is significantly nicer than using the "nv" driver
[14:36] <jtheuer> you mean if there is a default login session for kdm?
[14:36] <aapzak> penguin42: is there a solution? is it driver related?
[14:36] <jtheuer> no, there isn't I have to login manually
[14:36] <penguin42> aapzak: Don't know
[14:36] <jtheuer> ~paste
[14:37] <penguin42> aapzak: I'd agree it's probably driver issues
[14:37] <matrixblue_> jtheuer: Sorry I'm out of ideas then
[14:37] <aapzak> penguin42: too bad isn't it, kde 4.2 looks fairly mature ... I'd like to give it a chance
[14:38] <aapzak> I already switched off effects, cause this Intel X3100 can't handle it
[14:39] <aapzak> gnome/compiz runs smooth though
[14:39] <jtheuer> Here is my full logfile, there are a few stracktraces inside: http://pastebin.com/m3dfdfe41
[14:41] <penguin42> aapzak: I'd assumed it was effect related - but then if you are still seeing it without that it must be something more basic
[14:57] <gaelfx> I'm having troubles connecting to Skype, and also having MANY troubles loading websites (connection interrupted numerous times before it goes through). I'm using UNR on an MSI Wind U120, the wireless card is using Atheros chipset, can anyone commiserate with or enlighten me?
[14:57] <jonaskoelker> Hi all.  I just upgraded to Jaunty.  When I boot, I get told "ALERT! /dev/disk/by-uuid/<some uuid> <words to the effect of `not found'>".  Then I get dupmed to busybox.  There are no /dev/[hs]d* files.  What gives?
[14:58] <matrixblue_> gaelfx: Are you on the same computer now?
[14:58] <MTecknology> what channel do bugs come in on?
[14:59] <MTecknology> err - what channel does ubottu report them?
[14:59] <gaelfx> matrixblue_: yes, I am
[14:59] <matrixblue_> gaelfx: Are any other PCs on the network affected
[14:59] <gaelfx> whoa, is that Release Delayed message a remnant from April Fool's or something?
[15:00] <gaelfx> matrixblue_: no, it doesn't seem that they are
[15:00] <jonaskoelker> What might be wrong?  For each potentially wrong thing, how would I test for it?
[15:00] <jonaskoelker> gaelfx: yeah; that's what I heard
[15:00] <gaelfx> matrixblue_: in fact, I seem to have no problems controlling my VLC and uTorrent on another computer connected to the same network
[15:00] <penguin42> jonaskoelker: Is there anything odd about your disks or your computer that you know about?
[15:00] <Le-Chuck_ITA> Leon_Nardella: cwillu is git-bisecting the problem
[15:01] <jonaskoelker> penguin42: not really
[15:01] <Le-Chuck_ITA> Leon_Nardella: it's a kernel bug
[15:01] <jonaskoelker> penguin42: I'm doing LUKS encryption...
[15:01] <MTecknology> gaelfx: the topic was last set by LjL - so no, don't trust it to be accurate at all
[15:01] <gaelfx> jonaskoelker: that must be one of the most cruel jokes I've ever heard of
[15:01] <LjL> oh, i forgot to change it back
[15:01] <penguin42> jonaskoelker: Ah I guess that's the most likely culprit isn't it
[15:01] <jonaskoelker> penguin42: yeah...
[15:01] <matrixblue_> gaelfx: try setting a static IP address, or if you're using wireless connect via ethernet for a moment
[15:01] <penguin42> jonaskoelker: I've not tried setting that up on root
[15:02] <MTecknology> gaelfx: yup...
[15:02] <jonaskoelker> penguin42: well, I can mount the encrypted volume (which has lvm inside it) on fc10 (live usb)...
[15:02] <Le-Chuck_ITA> Leon_Nardella: bug #330824
[15:02] <jonaskoelker> penguin42: well...
[15:03] <jonaskoelker> penguin42: why aren't there any /dev/hd* files? ... I mean, encryption of /dev/sda5 would only be a "problem" if /dev/sda5 exists...
[15:03] <matrixblue_> jonaskoelker: sda5 is normally for swap
[15:03] <Leon_Nardella> Le-Chuck_ITA: I had seen that report.. It seems to be something other than what I am experiencing.
[15:03] <jonaskoelker> matrixblue_: well, sda<whatever>, it's not there :)
[15:04] <matrixblue_> jonaskoelker: check the partition editor to see what all is on your disk
[15:04] <penguin42> jonaskoelker: Yeh I don't know why they aren't there - if you cat /proc/partitions what do you see?
[15:04] <jonaskoelker> I have [/dev/sda5] -> [encryption layer] -> [lvm] -> [root and swap] and then I have /dev/sda1 -> /boot
[15:04] <Le-Chuck_ITA> Leon_Nardella: perhaps report a new bug, but then double-link the two bugs if they have similarities so that developers will take a look... or ask cwillu what he thinks :)
[15:05] <gaelfx> matrixblue_: sorry, I had troubles finding my cord
[15:05] <matrixblue_> yeah I've never come across that
[15:05] <Leon_Nardella> Le-Chuck_ITA: Yeah.. Already filed a new bug.. There are actually 2 a-little-bit similar bug reports, but I didn't realy know whether I should link them.
[15:05] <matrixblue_> gaelfx: no prob
[15:06] <jonaskoelker> matrixblue_: fdisk -l /dev/sda (from fc10) shows /dev/sda 1, 2 and 5.  They have their expected sizes: ~256 meg I think for sda1 == /boot, 53 G for sda2 (extended), 53G for sda5 (on sda2)
[15:06] <matrixblue_> gaelfx: if it works with the ethernet then you need to check your wireless driver
[15:06] <Le-Chuck_ITA> Leon_Nardella: then the developers will likely decide
[15:07] <jonaskoelker> penguin42: cat /proc/partitions says nothing interesting that fdisk -l didn't say
[15:07] <matrixblue_> jonaskoelker: I'm lost on that one, sorry
[15:07] <efefppo> How can I tell if I have the prop ati drivers installed?
[15:07] <jonaskoelker> could it be a badly generated initramfs?  How do I remake it?
[15:08] <penguin42> jonaskoelker: So do any sd's appear in /proc/partition?
[15:08] <jonaskoelker> penguin42: yeah, all of them
[15:08] <jonaskoelker> penguin42: but that's from fc10 liveusb, not busybox
[15:09] <penguin42> jonaskoelker: Look from the busybox - see if the discs appear in there
[15:09] <gaelfx> matrixblue_: still getting this in ff:The network link was interrupted while negotiating a connection. Please try again.
[15:10] <jonaskoelker> penguin42: will do; rebooting...
[15:10] <jonaskoelker> by the way, it takes a good few minutes to go from bootsplash to boot failure.  Can I somehow hurry that up?
[15:10] <matrixblue_> gaelfx: try pinging the same address in terminal
[15:10] <penguin42> jonaskoelker: Oh that's interesting
[15:10] <penguin42> jonaskoelker: I bet the two are related
[15:11] <gaelfx> matrixblue_: command?
[15:11] <matrixblue_> ping www.xxx.com
[15:11] <penguin42> jonaskoelker: I think if you edit the command line in grub you can take the splash off and see what's happening
[15:11] <jonaskoelker> penguin42: I can also just press Ctrl-Alt-F1, right?
[15:11] <jonaskoelker> penguin42: if I do that, it just says "Starting up ...\nLoading, please wait..."
[15:12] <penguin42> yeh, it shouldn't take that long
[15:12] <timing> hey i just downloaded the 9.04 alfa iso and burned it
[15:12] <gaelfx> matrixblue_: reported 4% packet loss over 30s
[15:13] <timing> it's not booting when i chose that live CD option
[15:13] <jonaskoelker> timing: don't install it on production system if you use LUKS... or SATA :p
[15:13] <jonaskoelker> (not sure)
[15:13] <matrixblue_> gaelfx: Try pinging www.google.com
[15:13] <timing> jonaskoelker: not going to install it, just want to boot
[15:13] <jonaskoelker> sure :)
[15:13] <gaelfx> matrixblue_: yeah, that's what I did
[15:14] <timing> but that's not even working
[15:14] <jonaskoelker> /proc/partitions is empty from busybox
[15:14] <jonaskoelker> :O *empty* ...
[15:14] <penguin42> jonaskoelker: OK, I'd say that's not your encryption then - nothing to decrypt!
[15:14] <jonaskoelker> yeah
[15:14] <penguin42> jonaskoelker: Is it a normal SATA disc? On what sort of controller?
[15:14] <jonaskoelker> http://pastebin.com/m71c17742
[15:14] <jonaskoelker> that's my lspci
[15:15] <jonaskoelker> I think "yes, normal" is the answer
[15:15] <matrixblue_> gaelfx: you did disconnect from the wireless network right?
[15:15] <penguin42> yeh normal type of boring stuff
[15:15] <jonaskoelker> is there some kind of pager or editor in busybox?
[15:15] <jonaskoelker> I'd like to look at /init
[15:15] <penguin42> jonaskoelker: You might be right then that it's just your initram screwed up somehow - bit odd though - I mean can you watch the boot if you disable the splash and see it prodding the IDE controller?
[15:15] <gaelfx> matrixblue_: no, but the eth0 is default
[15:16] <matrixblue_> gaelfx: disconnect and try again for good measure
[15:17] <jonaskoelker> penguin42: how do I disable the splash?
[15:17] <jonaskoelker> I guess delete "quiet" and "splash" from grub cmdline
[15:17] <penguin42> jonaskoelker: yeh I think so
[15:18] <jonaskoelker> okay, I'm at "Begin: Waiting for encrypted source device... ..."
[15:19] <jonaskoelker> I see "Cannot allocate resource for EISA slot 1"
[15:19] <jonaskoelker> (and for 2 through 7)
[15:19] <jonaskoelker> at 1.6008 through 1.60011 seconds into the boot
[15:19] <penguin42> jonaskoelker: I wonder if it's either not bothered putting the (s)ata modules in or if it's just an ordering issue?
[15:19] <jonaskoelker> and I get "device-mapper: uevent: version 1.0.3" at 1.7544
[15:20] <jonaskoelker> how do I check for this?
[15:21] <penguin42> jonaskoelker: Not sure; I'd consider seeing if the modules are actually there in /lib/modules/* and if they are try modprobing them
[15:21] <jonaskoelker> my /proc/modules has some dm_ stuff, crypto_blkcipher, thermal, processor, fan, fbcon, tileblit, font, bitblit, softcursor, fuse and that's about it
[15:22] <jonaskoelker> that'd be /lib/modules/2.6*/kernel/drivers/ata, right?
[15:23] <penguin42> jonaskoelker: Something like that - I'd look for an ata_piix module
[15:23] <jonaskoelker> I have sata_{vsc, via, uli, sx4, svw, sis, sil24, sil, qstor, promise, nv, mv, inic162x}.ko (without spaces)
[15:23] <jonaskoelker> ata_piix is there
[15:23] <jonaskoelker> that was just a list of sata*ko
[15:23] <penguin42> I'd try insmod'ing ata_piix and see if /proc/partitions suddenly gains a drive
[15:24] <jonaskoelker> the module goes in fine, but no partitions
[15:24] <penguin42> odd
[15:25] <jonaskoelker> ATA-6: HTS721060G9aT00, MC3Ia51A, [...]\n ata1.00: 117210240 sectors, multi 16: LBA
[15:25] <jonaskoelker> it seems like there's a drive
[15:25] <jonaskoelker> and MATSHITADVD-RAM UJ-822S
[15:25] <jonaskoelker> we get signal :)
[15:26] <penguin42> cool
[15:27] <penguin42> so if the modules are all in there it sounds like an ordering screw up?
[15:27] <jonaskoelker> I don't know
[15:27] <jonaskoelker> I'm like "ordering?  Of what?  Where?"
[15:28] <gaelfx1> testing
[15:28] <jonaskoelker> for the presence of devices?
[15:29] <gaelfx1> can anyone read this?
[15:29] <penguin42> gaelfx1: No
[15:29] <jonaskoelker> gaelfx1: I can :)
[15:29] <penguin42> jonaskoelker: I'm thinking it's trying to set up the encryption before loading the devices it needs to get to it - there should be something that says load the disc first I would have thought
[15:30] <jonaskoelker> what is trying to do this?
[15:30] <jonaskoelker> is it /init?
[15:30] <jonaskoelker> (that is, the initramfs /init)
[15:30] <penguin42> not sure - I think the thing that builds the initramfs should set it up
[15:30] <jonaskoelker> so I should rebuild the initramfs?
[15:31] <penguin42> jonaskoelker: You could try - if you are lucky it might fix it, but not if there is a bug in the logic which sets it up
[15:32] <jonaskoelker> how do I rebuild the initramfs?  I guess I reboot into fc10 liveusb; do I need something fancy like rebind-mounting /proc in /mnt/chroot/proc?
[15:32] <penguin42> hmm that's going to be 'interesting'
[15:32] <jonaskoelker> sounds like fun :D
[15:33] <penguin42> probably dev as well - I wonder what else?
[15:33] <jonaskoelker> like burning a CD from a liveCD distro
[15:36]  * penguin42 hates initramfs with a passion - they're always a pita to debug
[15:38] <fenn_> Hi - I am thinking of taking the plunge into Jaunty - anyone run it on a t60 laptop?
[15:39] <jonaskoelker> fenn_: I installed it on t43p
[15:39] <jonaskoelker> fenn_: first X wouldn't start, now it won't boot
[15:40] <jtheuer> fenn_: Its running on a t61 more ore less gine
[15:40] <jtheuer> fine
[15:40] <jtheuer> Just the nvidia driver sucks a bit....
[15:41] <jonaskoelker> I might have botched the upgrade process, though
[15:42] <fenn_> should I try a boot-from-cd or boot-from-pen-drive first ?
[15:42] <fenn_> Or just upgrade from the CD
[15:42] <fenn_> ?
[15:43] <hil> fenn_: testing live cd or stick first is always a good idea
[15:43] <jtheuer> fenn_: I just started this upgrade program directly from my running systen
[15:44] <danbeck> New updates today!  Let's see if compiz finally doesn't suck on my Dell Mini 9.
[15:45] <danbeck> Negative, still a pile of horse crap.  /cry
[15:45] <jonaskoelker> hey... it just strikes me I'm running the old initrd... maybe that's the problem?
[15:45] <penguin42> well it can't help
[15:46] <jonaskoelker> well, let's see
[15:46]  * jonaskoelker sings "shake that booty--- shake that re-booty"
[15:47] <jonaskoelker> yay, I get a different error
[15:47] <jonaskoelker> FATAL: Error running install command for fuse
[15:47] <jonaskoelker> and a lot faster ALERT!, now saying "/dev/mapper/bianca-root does not exist. Dropping to a shell"
[15:48] <jonaskoelker> and /dev/disk/by-uuid/ is there
[15:48] <jonaskoelker> and /dev/sd* are there
[15:49] <jonaskoelker> let me try again; I *did* press C-M-F1 a little early
[15:50] <penguin42> what fuse stuff has it got?
[15:50] <jonaskoelker> dunno
[15:50] <jonaskoelker> but /proc/modules lists fuse
[15:52] <BluesKaj> jonaskoelker, install fuse-utils
[15:52] <jonaskoelker> wait, no; /proc/modules doesn't list fuse
[15:53] <jonaskoelker> I think the old initrd had fuse
[15:53] <penguin42> seems a bit excessive for an initrd
[15:53] <jonaskoelker> but hey, I can cryptsetup luskOpen /dev/sda5, lvm lvchange -ay /dev/bianca/root and mount /dev/bianca/root /mnt
[15:54] <jonaskoelker> so I think I just got less broken
[15:54] <penguin42> now if you can just persuade it to do that for you
[15:54] <jonaskoelker> yeah
[15:54] <BluesKaj> sudo ls -l  /proc/modules
[15:55] <jonaskoelker> BluesKaj: there's sudo in busybox?
[15:55] <BluesKaj> you'll see that it's root all the way
[15:55] <BluesKaj> terminal
[15:58] <fenn_> you are in a maze of twisty passages, all different
[16:00] <fenn_> how is wifi in Jaunty?
[16:03] <jonaskoelker> BluesKaj: I installed fuse-utils and rebooted.  I still die waiting for the root device
[16:05] <jonaskoelker> if I cryptsetup, lvm, mount manually, how can I boot into jaunty?
[16:05] <penguin42> not sure - what happens if you just ctrl-d at that point?
[16:06] <FFEMTcJ> Is there any reason if I dont use bluetooth not to remove it? (I dont know if its tied into other things at all)
[16:07] <jonaskoelker> target file system doesn't have /sbin/init
[16:07] <jonaskoelker> I think whatever's saying that is seeing the "old" /-mount
[16:08] <penguin42> I'm not sure how the swap over happens
[16:08] <jonaskoelker> maybe the end of (busybox)/init says that?
[16:10] <jonaskoelker> fun times
[16:20] <cwillu> Leon_Nardella, ext4 currently is seeing an issue where rm'ing causes temporary hangs and/or hard lockups.  make clean and rm -rf both are exactly the sort of thing that trigger it :)
[16:20] <cwillu> bah
[16:20] <torkel_> I've recently upgraded from 8.10 to 9.04 (new install) and h
[16:22] <fenn_> jonaskoelker: you could burn a custom grub rescue CD (or even floppy)
[16:22] <torkel_> I've recently upgraded from 8.10 to 9.04 (new install) and are having big problems with the new xorg display architecture or something. If I enable uxa acceleration it's so unstable that it's practically unusable, without uxa the performance is much lower than I had on 8.10. Is  there some way I can set up xorg to replicate the settings in 8.10? im on a macbook v1.1 with intel gma graphics adapter
[16:23] <cwillu> torkel_, there are known issues with intel right now, fixing are being worked on
[16:23] <cwillu> for what it's worth, the release notes _did_ say that intel had major issues and that holding off was recommended :p
[16:24] <fenn_> how big a pen drive would I need to make a bootable Jaunty pen
[16:24] <fenn_> ?
[16:24] <cwillu> torkel_, bug #303011
[16:24] <cwillu> fenn_, a gig or so, maybe less
[16:25] <torkel_> cwillu: hehe, ok thanks. I'm well aware of issues running alpha/beta software, just wondering if there is some temporary solution to get back the 8.10 performance :)
[16:25] <fenn_> so it doesn't fit on a CD?
[16:26] <fenn_> torkel_: try renaming your X conf and letting X rebuild it on the next boot
[16:27] <cwillu> fenn_, re: x, no, that won't help him :p
[16:27] <cwillu> torkel_, what kernel flavour are you running?
[16:27] <torkel_> cwillu: generic
[16:27] <torkel_> i386
[16:27] <cwillu> torkel_, I've had success with uxa while running the xorg edgers repository (it's linked on that bug), might give that a try
[16:28] <cwillu> torkel_, I think there's a patch in the works to work around the exa slowness
[16:28] <torkel_> cwillu: uxa works "ok", but with external monitor on/off it crashes all the time.
[16:28] <cwillu> torkel_, and running a mainline kernel out of the mainline repository may or may not help
[16:28] <cwillu> torkel_, by 'success' I mean 'I haven't had a crash I could attribute to it' :p
[16:29] <torkel_> cwillu: just noticed that /dev/dri/card0 is not writable by mu desktop user, will I get better performance by fixing that?
[16:29] <cwillu> I've had compiz die and restart once or twice, but nothing that killed the machine
[16:29] <cwillu> torkel_, that'll should help, what are the current permissions and owner?
[16:30] <torkel_> just starting gdm with uxa and and external monitor connected freeze to me, and that combined with the ctrl+alt+backspace disabled is... hurting me patience :P
[16:30] <torkel_> cwillu: root/video, 660
[16:30] <cwillu> torkel_, you should already be a member of video though
[16:30] <cwillu> torkel_, verify that /var/log/xorg.0.log actually complains about being unable to open it due to permissions
[16:33] <torkel_> cwillu: no complaints in the log, brb i'll restart this x session
[16:34] <thm> hi! is there a way of putting the 9.04 beta usb image on an usb stick without wiping the stick's data?
[16:37] <cwillu> thm, -> #ubuntu, and pretend that you're asking about doing the same with 8.10 :p
[16:38] <thm> cwillu: max reurcsion limit reached.................boom.
[16:41] <torkel_> cwillu: exa acceleration is the default one when not specifying other AccelMethods ?
[16:41] <cwillu> torkel_, believe so, yes
[16:42] <cwillu> torkel_, again, xorg.log will tell you what's being used (just search for uxa vs xaa vs exa)
[16:42] <cwillu> thm, mailing list is probably a better place to get a good answer to an in-depth question :)
[16:43] <cwillu> thm, and switch to a tail-recursive language, those recursion limits are pointless :p
[16:43] <thm> lol
[16:43]  * cwillu suggests stackless python or pypy
[16:44] <nperry> Can't seem to get synergy to work in 9.04. Whenever i go to move over to my netbook the mouse goes to the top left hand corner..
[16:44] <nperry> Could be new xorg?
[16:51] <Machtin> yo guys, how to turn off that kubuntu-loading-bar?
[16:52] <Machtin> i want to see the messages and so on.. because when i boot, i have to enter my password, which is shown as "****.." and when i switch to ctrl+alt+f1, i can read my password unencrypted.
[16:52] <Machtin> which i don't like at all.
[16:53] <Machtin> because it also auto-switches to ctrl+alt+f1, since i messed something up with my encrypted /tmp, i think
[16:54] <hil> nperry: synergy works fine here, but is already a bug filed for your problem. Saw that few days ago.
[16:54] <ati555> Hi
[16:54] <ati555> Can Some 1 Help me ... ?
[16:54] <hil> ati555: just ask
[16:54] <ati555> hil:  k
[16:55] <cwillu> ati555, and no, if you install jaunty on a machine that you need to be working :p
[16:55] <ati555> i wnt a a proper driver for my vga , radeon HD 2600
[16:55] <ati555> cwillu:  lol
[16:55] <ati555> i have this prob in all distros :S
[16:56] <ati555> i think the answer is here : https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RadeonDriver
[16:56] <ati555> but this is so hard 4 me cuze i am kinda n00b
[16:56] <cwillu> ati555, search bugs.launchpad.net for bugs relating to that card
[16:56] <cwillu> errr
[16:56] <nperry> hil, I saw it aswell, Now cant seem to find it again..
[16:56] <dan457> I gave up on ati for now.  I'm sure it'll be fixed by the release, if last year is any indication....
[16:57] <ati555> cwillu:k
[16:57] <nperry> hil, Are you using quiksynergy?
[16:57] <hil> nperry: no
[16:57] <cwillu> ati555, afaik, ati is behind in getting their driver available for the new xorg release.  I have no idea if the radeon (i.e., the open source driver) or radeonhd will do anything for you
[16:57] <nperry> That's why then :D
[16:58] <ati555> cwillu:  i have't tried the open source one
[16:58] <ati555> and i am lost in this page
[16:58] <ati555> 2D modesetting only : HD 3xxx / R600 based cards
[16:58] <ati555> HD 4xxx / R700 based cards
[16:58] <ati555> Accelerated 3D support (r300, r400 and r500 series)
[16:58] <cwillu> ati555, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-ati/+bug/279762
[16:59] <ati555> and i am RV630
[16:59] <cwillu> ati555, there's very little relevant documentation for jaunty yet, because it hasn't been released yet.  Unfortunately, you can't assume that any particular page (even on ubuntu.com) will be relevant yet
[16:59] <ati555> cwillu:  i have tried kubuntu 8.10 too
[16:59] <cwillu> ati555, go read that page I just linked though (generally, launchpad has up to date information)
[17:00] <ati555> same prob
[17:00] <cwillu> ati555, kubuntu is identical to ubuntu as far as drivers are concerned
[17:00] <ati555> ubunbtu , opensuse , fedora all wont work :S
[17:00] <cwillu> stop talking, and read the link I posted :p
[17:00] <ati555> lol ok :D
[17:00] <cwillu> it might actually help
[17:00] <ati555> i hope so
[17:00]  * cwillu cheers, his bisect is almost done!
[17:01] <Sqyber> how can i install graphics card drivers to my kubuntu 9.04 beta ?
[17:01] <cwillu> Sqyber, gotta give us more information than that
[17:02] <Sqyber> what information you want ?
[17:02] <hil> nperry: it is bug #321444
[17:02] <Sqyber> the orginal way (popup at taskbar ) doesnt work
[17:02] <cwillu> Sqyber, have you read the release notes?
[17:03] <ati555> cwillu: thx 4 page but it's not useful
[17:03] <Sqyber> no
[17:03] <cwillu> ati555, then you're probably out of luck until ati releases a driver
[17:03] <cwillu> Sqyber, you should probably read the release notes :(
[17:03] <ati555> every time i download driver from system>hardware drivers after installing n restart it gives me a blank screen :S
[17:04] <ati555> cwillu:  it's not new nor old vga
[17:04] <ati555> 2006 -> 2007
[17:04] <cwillu> ati555, yes, because ati's driver doesn't work with xorg 1.6 yet afaik
[17:04] <funkyHat> Discovered a problem with pulseaudio. I logged out and back in again and nothing could connect to it, although it was still running
[17:04] <ati555> cwillu: omg so wt i have to do nw
[17:05] <cwillu> Sqyber, http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/jaunty/beta#Known%20issues <- relevant section
[17:05] <Sqyber> thanks
[17:05] <cwillu> ati555, that card should work under 8.10, with the proprietary driver.  Consider re-installing 8.10, and then seeking support in #ubuntu
[17:05] <cwillu> ati555, note, you _don't_ want to download the driver directly from ati
[17:06] <funkyHat> *not sure if I mean still, I don't know whether it was left running from the previous session, or just didn't start up correctly
[17:06] <kady> Hallo
[17:06] <kady> KDM stopped working
[17:06] <kady> or to be more specific
[17:07] <kady> When you login it doesn't seem to start X
[17:07] <Le-Chuck_ITA> anyone knows how to convince kile (jaunty) to complete my own macro that I defined in the project? I am sure it used to do that!
[17:07]  * cwillu apologizes for his shortness, he just had a root canal done and is rather bitter about it :p
[17:07] <Machtin> kady: so you login in a shell?
[17:07] <ati555> cwillu: can i ask about something else :D ?
[17:07] <Machtin> not via graphical surface?
[17:07] <cwillu> ati555, sure :)
[17:07] <kady> "login"
[17:07] <cwillu> kady, did you just upgrade/install the beta?
[17:07] <kady> It drops me to a login shell
[17:08] <kady> UPgrades
[17:08] <ati555> cwillu:  how to remove quite splash from boot alwayz
[17:08] <kady> upgraded
[17:08] <cwillu> kady, did you read the release notes first?  there are a few big known video problems right now
[17:08] <ati555> cuze it gives me a blank screen
[17:08] <nperry> hil, Are you synergy with two desktop?
[17:08] <kady> cwillu: there are release notes per upgrade ?
[17:08] <nperry> using **
[17:09] <kady> cwillu: Where?
[17:09] <Machtin> still: how do i disable that kubuntu logo with the loading bar while booting? i want to see the messages, not that picture
[17:09] <cwillu> ati555, edit /boot/grub/menu.lst, search for the section '# defoptions=...', remove splash, and do an update-grub
[17:09] <cwillu> kady, sorry, I meant, did you just upgrade from intrepid?
[17:09] <kady> Oh no
[17:09] <kady> A while back
[17:10] <cwillu> okay :)
[17:10] <kady> where are the notes that you are talking about?
[17:10] <cwillu> there are releases notes for each alpha and beta which might have relevant info
[17:10] <ati555> cwillu:  Warning: unknown mime-type for "/boot/grub/menu.lst" -- using "application/octet-stream"
[17:10] <cwillu> kady, the link is in the channel topic
[17:10] <cwillu> ati555, use a real editor :p
[17:10] <ati555> real :D ?
[17:10] <kady> now to figure out ho w to pipe that into w3m :-)
[17:10] <cwillu> vim or something :p
[17:10] <kady> ati555: emacs
[17:10] <ati555> u mean press "e" when booting
[17:11] <ati555> kady:  where is that :D ?
[17:11] <ati555> i am n00b :(
[17:11] <cwillu> ati555, no, I mean 'sudo vim /boot/grub/menu.lst/ :p
[17:11] <kady> ati555: interwebs!
[17:11] <ati555> aha ok :D
[17:11] <cwillu> kady, what video chipset?
[17:11] <kady> SIS
[17:12] <kady> hold on
[17:12] <cwillu> kady, install pastebinit if you haven't already, and then run pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[17:12] <ati555> cwillu:  The program 'vim' can be found in the following packages:
[17:12] <ati555>  * vim
[17:12] <ati555>  * vim-gnome
[17:12] <ati555>  * vim-tiny
[17:12] <ati555>  * vim-gtk
[17:12] <ati555>  * vim-nox
[17:12] <cwillu> no, _don't_ do that
[17:12] <kady> SIS760
[17:12] <cwillu> ati555, just use a text editor
[17:12] <ati555> cwillu:  sorry about my n00by question
[17:12] <topyli> ati555: don't take me wrong, but maybe you should not be running a system that is known to be broken
[17:12] <hil> nperry: server on vista, 1x jaunty dualscreen desktop, 1x intrepid desktop, 1x jaunty notebook und 1, intrepid eeepc ;)
[17:13] <ati555> topyli: broken oO
[17:13]  * cwillu huggles hil for having the good sense not to run jaunty on his only machine :
[17:13] <cwillu> :)
[17:13] <kady> ati555: I would honestly think that unless you are very willing to learn not knowing text editors is a good sign you should not be on jackalope as it is now
[17:13] <cwillu> well, even if you are very willing to learn, getting experience working with a stable release will make you far more productive and useful :)
[17:14] <topyli> ati555: ubuntu systems are always broken, or can break at any time, until they are released as stable
[17:14] <ati555> :S
[17:14] <kady> Seriusly it takes good knowledge of text editors just to use linux when it works
[17:14] <ati555> topyli:  that's right
[17:14] <hil>  cwillu: yeah, work needs to be done also ;) jaunty is toy for now ;)
[17:14] <topyli> ati555: beta really means beta. it's not gmail
[17:14] <ati555> kady: thx for ur care and i am tryin to learn
[17:14] <kady> ati555: having said that if you are willing to learn and be without a computer for a week or two Jaunty may be baptism in fire
[17:14] <ati555> topyli:  lol i tried 8.10 have same problem too
[17:15] <ati555> kady:  :D
[17:15] <topyli> ati555: oh that's different then
[17:15] <kady> cwillu: Was the don't do it aimed at me?
[17:15] <cwillu> intel:  broken for many people.  ati:  broken for many people.  ext4:  broken for many people.... :p
[17:15] <cwillu> kady, oh, no, not you, sorry :p
[17:15] <ati555> :D
[17:15] <cwillu> kady, pastebinit, and then pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log :p
[17:15] <topyli> cwillu: i don't have ati stuff, thank heavens, but yes intel and ext4 are both broken :)
[17:15] <ati555> i missed windows vista :D
[17:15] <ati555> it wz so good
[17:16] <ati555> everything is easy
[17:16] <ati555> but oh god i dun have enough money to buy windows :(
[17:16] <nperry> hil,  Thats odd as it does seem to be the clients with touchpads are failing :/
[17:16] <kady> cwillu: http://pastebin.com/f40f8be36
[17:16] <topyli> ati555: running unstable linux systems will certainly not make it better
[17:16] <ati555> i spent about a week every day i try and alot of distros
[17:16] <kady> ati555: This is easy as well. just a very different easy
[17:17] <kady> YOu spent a week every day o_O
[17:17] <ati555> topyli: i've tried all openSUSE , Fedora , ubuntu 8.10 , kubuntu 8.10 , mint kde
[17:17] <kady> I need your time managmement skills
[17:17] <cwillu> kady, nothing looks wrong there.  pastebinit /var/log/messages
[17:17] <kady> I'll trade you for LInux knowledge :)
[17:17] <ati555> kady:  lol ops
[17:17] <topyli> ati555: sounds like you have some hardware that linux just doesn't like
[17:17] <ati555> *spent a week "and" every day ...
[17:18] <kady> http://pastebin.com/f560a49e2
[17:18] <topyli> ati555: changing linux distributions doesn't help if the kernel is broken on some exotic/proprietary/broken hardware
[17:18] <kady> topyli: liked it just fine (aside from no composite) till this week
[17:18] <ati555> topyli: i have cor2duo E8400 @ 3.0 Cache 6MB , Asus P5Q , 4GB of rams kingston , 320 W.D , ATI HD 2600
[17:18] <kady> topyli: oh wait. thought you were talking to me :)
[17:18] <ati555> topyli: yea that's right
[17:19] <kady> ati555: do a search on the MB
[17:19] <ati555> how can i get 2D modesetting only ?
[17:19] <kady> that's the only thing i can think of that might throw up issues
[17:19] <ati555> kady: i spent hourz 4 searchin maybe got something
[17:19] <cwillu> kady, nothing weird there either
[17:19] <kady> ati555: oh good. what did you get
[17:20] <kady> cwillu: want ~/.xsession-errors ?
[17:20] <ati555> kady:  delete "quiet" and "splash"
[17:20] <cwillu> kady, x isn't firing up though you said?
[17:20] <cwillu> kady, (he wanted to disable the splash screen)
[17:20] <kady> cwillu: it is
[17:20] <kady> I'm in X now
[17:21] <cwillu> ati555, seriously, you should get 8.10 running, it should be straightforward to get that card to run
[17:21] <cwillu> kady, sorry, back up a step, what was the problem you were having again?
[17:21] <ati555> cwillu: maybe i will do this after and try the delere splash and quite part
[17:22] <kady> cwillu: as in X& export DISPLAY=:0.0
[17:22] <cwillu> ati555, but trying to get it running on 9.04, while 9.04 is known to have broken things, and while you're still fairly inexperienced, that's just asking for far too much confusion :p
[17:22] <ati555> cwillu:  lol yea :(
[17:22] <kady> Whne KDM comes up I login and then it flickers and dumps me back to the login on the console
[17:22] <kady> KDM doesn't restart
[17:22] <kady> X doesn't come up
[17:22] <cwillu> ooh, k
[17:22] <kady> I ran X by itself and it works
[17:22] <ati555> be right back
[17:22] <cwillu> (x is up if you see the login screen, but ya)
[17:22] <kady>  I ran a xterm in tehre and ran start KDE and taht works
[17:22] <cwillu> kady, ya, pastebin xsessionerrors
[17:23] <kady> http://pastebin.com/f49029861
[17:24] <vonkleist> http://kde.org/announcements/announce-4.2.2.php  <--- hahaha... Now I know where that kde 4.2.2 came from...
[17:24] <LjL> ikonia: just scrap the delay thing, meh
[17:24] <ikonia> ok
[17:24] <cwillu> ikonia, unfortunately, by the time they see the irc topic, they're already in trouble, that's why they're here in the first place :(
[17:25] <nperry> Heh!
[17:25] <rocky> wow, skype and pidgin are crashing like crazy on my netbook running jaunty+netbook-remix
[17:26] <cwillu> kady, how does this happen? "/etc/X11/Xsession: line 67: /dev/null: Permission denied"
[17:26] <kady> cwillu: good question that's what happened this morning
[17:26] <kady> oh it might have been looking for /proc
[17:27] <kady> I didn't have one this morning
[17:27] <cwillu> ah, k
[17:27] <cwillu> kady, sorry, I'm really not sure how to interpret that file,
[17:27] <cwillu> not a kde guy :p
[17:28] <penguin42> cwillu: Ooh I've heard of other people have that
[17:28] <cwillu> kady, might try making a new user and seeing if they can login though
[17:28] <kady> penguin42: what was the proposed solution ?
[17:28] <penguin42> cwillu: Can you do an ls -l /dev/null
[17:28] <cwillu> kady, ^^^
[17:28] <kady> yes
[17:28] <cwillu> paste the line
[17:28] <kady> crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 1, 3 2009-04-02 02:27 /dev/null
[17:29] <penguin42> oh that looks OK
[17:29] <kady> character device
[17:29] <kady> looks normal
[17:29] <penguin42> kady: So the thing is I've seen multiple people saying their /dev/null is created with rw only by root
[17:29] <kady> ah
[17:29] <kady> but isn't X started by root anyway?
[17:29] <kady> so why would that be an issue?
[17:30] <penguin42> only the server itself
[17:30] <cwillu> kady, yes, but x is starting fine, it's something in the session breaking it
[17:30] <cwillu> which happens under your login
[17:30] <kady> cwillu: ah hmm
[17:30] <cwillu> kady, try making a new user, and login
[17:30] <penguin42> kady: Now you managed to start it, if you kill off X, restart kdm can you login OK?
[17:30] <kady> Nope
[17:31] <kady> I can start X
[17:31] <kady> and then start my session
[17:31] <kady> and it works
[17:31] <penguin42> hmm
[17:31] <cwillu> kady, but then can you close x, and restart kdm?
[17:31] <kady> but if I go through KDM and run the whole xinit startkde kdeinit route it dies
[17:31] <penguin42> kady: Login on another console, quit X and restart kdm and then ctrl-alt-f2 and ls -l the /dev/null?
[17:31] <kady> yeah let me do that now
[17:31] <kady> penguin42: ok I'll try that
[17:34] <kady> brb
[17:35] <EvilAIM> I'm going to be installing the beta tonight, should be interesting.
[17:38] <penguin42> EvilAIM: It's not too bad - still a few rough edges
[17:38] <penguin42> normal problems of X and audio
[17:39] <kady_> penguin42: looks the same
[17:39] <kady> shuld I try and login ?
[17:39] <penguin42> yeh
[17:39] <penguin42> I'm not sure how you get a permission problem with rw-rw-rw
[17:39] <kady> throws me to TTY1
[17:40] <kady> and X is dead
[17:40] <kady> as expected
[17:40] <kady> kdm is running
[17:40] <penguin42> and just do that ls -l again -  and has it put another moan about /dev/null in the log?
[17:42] <kady> penguin42: no I think that the /dev/null came from this morning when I had no /proc
[17:42] <penguin42> kady: Bah!
[17:42] <kady> so it was looking for the /proc redirect to log and couldn't find it so it went to /dev (which if course I didn't have)
[17:43] <kady> penguin42: look at the pastebin that I have there are quite a few more errors in there to pick through :)
[17:44] <penguin42> kady: Problem is it's pretty normal for there to be a load of errors in the .xsession-errors - no one seems to take care to make it clean
[17:45] <kady> Yeah I noticed
[17:45] <penguin42> kady: If you can start kde by hand then I think the thing to do is to compare the log for a bad startup and the one that works
[17:45] <kady> I am ignoring ones like the font or QPixmap painting onto a null bitmap
[17:45] <kady> ah hmm
[17:45] <kady> cwillu: Can you give me back the last pastebin I gave you?
[17:46] <jonaskoelker> Hi all.  I upgraded to jaunty.  When I startx, I get a static image of white/green/brown/black bars, wrapping around the horizontal edges of the screen
[17:46] <jonaskoelker> What's up?  How do I fix this?
[17:46] <kady> penguin42: Oh right new user :)
[17:47] <jonaskoelker> I can't C-M-F1 out of X when it happens, but mplayer running inside screen still plays sound
[17:47] <kady> penguin42: nope dies for new user as well :(
[17:47] <jonaskoelker> ... so it's probably not a hung kernel; maybe a hung X.  Right?
[17:47] <kady> jonaskoelker: how much CPU is X using ?
[17:47] <jonaskoelker> dunno, let's see if I can ssh into my dead box
[17:48] <kady> if it's a hung X you mot likely can
[17:48] <kady> ssh fts!
[17:48] <jonaskoelker> kady: about 0.0%
[17:49] <jonaskoelker> (yeah... the kernel can still task switch...)
[17:49] <giaco> hello
[17:49] <penguin42> kady: Not really sure what to suggest I'm afraid
[17:49] <kady> jonaskoelker: can you restart X ?
[17:50] <kady> penguin42: nice nick I just got it
[17:50] <jonaskoelker> this is interesting: "/usr/bin/X11/X: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions//libdri.so: undefined symbol: atiddxAbiDixLookupPrivate"
[17:50] <jonaskoelker> it appears X isn't even running
[17:50] <jonaskoelker> when I "chvt 2" from the ssh connection, the screwed-up display changes a little, but I don't return to vt 2
[17:51] <jonaskoelker> (`ps -Fe | grep X` returns no lines
[17:51] <giaco> I've got some time to fight my xorg super hunger, I need help to find out which component of my system is actually the guilty one.
[17:51] <penguin42> jonaskoelker: look in your /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[17:51] <ikonia> jonaskoelker: it wont run with a symbol error
[17:51] <kady> penguin42: Ok interesting note. The new user gets .bash profile and rc files but no xsession-errors
[17:51] <cwillu> kady, http://pastebin.com/f49029861
[17:51] <penguin42> odd
[17:51] <ikonia> jonaskoelker: it's basiclly saying it can't load the xorg library for dri
[17:51] <jonaskoelker> (EE) RADEON(0): [dri] RADEONDRIGetVersion failed to open the DRM
[17:52] <penguin42> jonaskoelker: Not normally fatal I don't think - 3D probably wouldn't work
[17:52] <giaco> xorg is always > 40% of cpu occupation, how can I trace back the responsible?
[17:53] <kady> giaco: probably compositing and all the apps you are running plus X tax
[17:54] <giaco> kady, I've no compositing enabled, I'm using plain xfce, moreover I've a clean desktop + xchat running
[17:54] <giaco> I'm going to clone one by one all the applications
[17:54] <jonaskoelker> here's my xorg log: http://rafb.net/p/DzIkac74.html
[17:54] <jonaskoelker> fwiw
[17:56] <bjsnider> giaco, what graphics driver isthis?
[17:56] <giaco> bjsnider, intel
[17:57] <giaco> bjsnider, OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI Intel(R) 965GM GEM 20090114 x86/MMX/SSE2
[17:57] <jonaskoelker> so... what do I do about it?
[17:57] <giaco> (==) intel(0): Using EXA for acceleration
[17:57] <giaco> (II)         Composite (RENDER acceleration)
[17:58] <bjsnider> theintel driver is probably going to be a lot better in the next few weeks than it is now
[18:00] <giaco> bjsnider, that's a very good news, probably I should wait instead of trying to repair it now. the problem is that is a kind of difficult to work in this state, so what I'm looking for is a workaround, not a solution, just for the next days
[18:00] <bjsnider> giaco, you chose to use an unstable distro instead of intrepid
[18:00] <giaco> I've disabled the composite extension, I'm going to restart X, I'll back in a minute
[18:01] <giaco> bjsnider, we all have done it, inside this channel :-) I'm not complaining about the current working state, I'm testing like you
[18:01] <giaco> brb
[18:06] <kady> giaco: vesa ?
[18:11] <giaco_> kady, do you mean driver: vesa inside xorg.conf?
[18:11] <giaco_> I haven't tried it
[18:11] <kady> try :)
[18:12] <giaco_> rebooting X :-)
[18:14] <giaco_> kady, whoa :-D horrible resolution
[18:14] <kady> giaco_: does it work :-P
[18:16] <giaco_> kady, it's faster, but still not normal
[18:17] <kady> workarounds don't have to be normal they just have to work while going around
[18:17] <giaco_> absolutely right
[18:18] <giaco_> if only I could resize the monitor to a normal aspect ratio
[18:19] <giaco_> vesa brought a 4:3 resolution on my 16:9 monitor
[18:19] <kady> get to editing Xorg.conf :)
[18:19] <kady> or xrandr
[18:19] <kady> that's probably the fastest way
[18:21] <giaco_> the problem is that according to xorg I'm already using 1024x768
[18:24] <Ienorand> I'm using an alias "get" for "sudo apt-get install", but tab-completion doesn't work, ideas?
[18:25] <kady> giaco_: ignore that what does xrandr say ?
[18:25] <kady> Ienorand: Write the auto complete code ?
[18:26] <giaco_> $ xrandr --size 1024x768
[18:26] <giaco_> $ xrandr --size 1280x720
[18:26] <giaco_> Size 1280x720 not found in available modes
[18:27] <Tekno> try --output something --mode 1024x768
[18:27] <Tekno> output can be VGA etc
[18:27] <Tekno> or DVI
[18:29] <giaco_> it doesn't do anything
[18:31] <giaco_> $ xrandr --output VGA --mode 1024x768
[18:31] <giaco_> $ xrandr --output DVI --mode 1024x768
[18:31] <jonaskoelker> meh, if I use the vesa driver in my xorg.conf, I still get a screwed up display, but this time the bars are thicker and chunkier
[18:31] <jonaskoelker> :\
[18:31] <jonaskoelker> oh well, the boot failure has magically gone away
[18:32] <bjsnider> i wonder if the beloved intel driver is working for anybody right now
[18:32] <giaco_> working but slow and choppy
[18:32] <penguin42> bjsnider: Ish
[18:33] <penguin42> bad on video (quite slow), occasional X crashes and quite a bit of corruption in KDE (I mainly use Gnome)
[18:34] <amon__> my intel driver works quite well
[18:34] <Ienorand> kady: Do you know where I could find any guides for the autocompletion code (have  done some ogling...)
[18:34] <amon__> but i installed some updates and now i fear the restart
[18:35] <kady> Ienorand: look in /etc/bash_completion
[18:36] <ghindo> Does anybody know what changes came with the kernel update today?
[18:36] <penguin42> isn't it in the changelog?
[18:39] <bjsnider> i read the changelog. it was nothing too earth-shattering
[18:39] <ghindo> Where's the changelog?
[18:39] <nemo> open source virus
[18:39] <nemo> http://agentxs.livejournal.com/11622.html
[18:39] <nemo> :D
[18:40] <penguin42> Has anyone else noticed an increase in dropped characters from typing - or is it that just my typing getting worse?
[18:40] <luminoso> hello. any easy way to install realplayer? adding software sources maybe?
[18:41] <kady> !real
[18:41]  * giaco_ is restarting X
[18:41] <bjsnider> luminoso, does anyone still use that garbage?
[18:41] <luminoso> there is any other program that reas rmbv?
[18:41] <luminoso> *rmvb
[18:41] <Carutsu> damn spell checking in OOo is not working even tough it seems I have the propoer packages installed and the language is properly selected in OOo!
[18:42] <jonaskoelker> hmm...
[18:42] <bjsnider> luminoso, ffmpeg
[18:42] <jonaskoelker> this is interesting
[18:42] <jonaskoelker> the reboot splash works fine, even though x is fucked
[18:42] <jonaskoelker> sorry, s/fucked/made love to/
[18:43] <luminoso> bjsnider, dragon player?
[18:43] <bjsnider> watch your language. i'll wash your mouth out with hydrochloric acid
[18:43] <jonaskoelker> bjsnider: gotcha
[18:43] <jonaskoelker> is "made love to" acceptable?
[18:43] <bjsnider> no
[18:43] <jonaskoelker> screwed?
[18:43] <bjsnider> screwed, pooched, borked
[18:44] <jonaskoelker> I see
[18:44] <jonaskoelker> why no love for making love?
[18:44] <bjsnider> functioning at less than optimal efficiency
[18:44] <jonaskoelker> FALTOE
[18:44] <jonaskoelker> ?
[18:45] <bjsnider> eg. the intel graphics driver
[18:46] <bjsnider> or the screenplay for star wars episode 2
[18:46] <jonaskoelker> fuctioning undesirably, continuously for killer extended durations
[18:46] <jonaskoelker> :p
[18:46] <bjsnider> functioning undesirably works for me
[18:47] <jonaskoelker> so if it's made to function undesirably, it's beed "fu'ed up"?
[18:47] <bjsnider> effed up, yes
[18:49] <jonaskoelker> oh well, enough about how to express the brokenness of my system, and more about how to unfu my box
[18:50] <jonaskoelker> let's see if the `xfix' recovery mode thingy can do something useful
[18:50] <Carutsu> !spell
[18:50] <Carutsu> !aspell
[18:50] <Carutsu> !OpenOffice
[18:51] <jonaskoelker> nope, still screwed...
[18:51] <jonaskoelker> although the bars just flashed on for a brief while, then my monitor went black
[18:52] <jonaskoelker> hey... it works
[18:52] <jonaskoelker> woo
[18:55] <jonaskoelker> everyone who helped me: thanks a lot :)
[18:58]  * bluefoxicy bets jaunty is being delayed for Firefox 3.5 ... which is quite awesome.
[18:59] <bjsnider> jaunty isn't being delayed
[19:01] <frybye> Hi - please remind me how to stop the repeated requests to enter the keyring password???
[19:01] <nemo> type in the right password?
[19:01] <dan457> Use a blank password?
[19:02] <MrKeuner> can't you disable that? which I would not choose to do anyways
[19:02] <frybye> nemo - you missunderstand me - when oppening certainly apps it asks me - I know there is a way to disable/quieten it - just forgot how to do it?
[19:02] <nemo> frybye: System->Preferences->Encryption and Keyrings
[19:02] <nemo> I think
[19:03] <nemo> hm
[19:03] <nemo> no. that's not right
[19:03] <penguin42> hmph tracker indexing is eating 100% cpu even though it's disabled
[19:03] <nemo> that's my GPG info :(
[19:03] <nemo> huh. I thought there was a keyring manager gui
[19:03] <MrKeuner> is tracker better in 2.26?
[19:03] <nemo> MrKeuner: well. it sucked up 100% of my CPU, for one day
[19:04] <nemo> MrKeuner: on an almost empty evolution mail spool.
[19:04] <nemo> killed it, wiped tracker directory... 2 days later was repeating this
[19:04] <zhurai> hmm
[19:04] <nemo> so I turned it off
[19:04] <penguin42> nemo: I've got the damn thing turned off it's still eating 100% cpu
[19:04] <frybye> nemo - at that locaion on the gui I only seem to se reference to encryption and nothing about keyrings?
[19:04] <nemo> frybye: yeah. wasn't what I thought it was
[19:05] <frybye> sorry.. just read further now..
[19:05] <nemo> meh. not finding it. thought there was a keyring manager thingy
[19:06] <zhurai> VMware install notes: http://paste.ubuntu.com/142973/
[19:06] <zhurai> didn't go too well post install
[19:06] <frybye> i have found a thing for privaliges.. eh in German Zugrifsberechtigung - is gui but rather complex.. hmmm...+
[19:08] <frybye> hmm- that does not seem to be it either...
[19:08] <MrKeuner> how is sleep hibernate stuff? can I expect miracles?
[19:09] <zhurai> ...why the hell does it open _so many_ apt-checks for?
[19:10] <frybye> nemo - checking on seahorse ...
[19:12] <nemo> MrKeuner: miracles like what? :)
[19:12] <nemo> MrKeuner: my session has always come back ok, although I've gotten some errors in jaunty.
[19:13] <nemo> MrKeuner: I made sure my swap partition was big enough for my memory, plus hibernate image, plus a couple of gigs of swap.
[19:13] <nemo> er
[19:13] <nemo> for memory + regular swap that is
[19:13] <frybye> nemo: thats it - the key <sorry!> to solving that problem is the command    seahorse
[19:13] <nemo> since I had 2 gigs of memory, I made 4 gigs of swap.
[19:13] <nemo> frybye: ahhh. that's the gui
[19:14] <nemo> frybye: it is in the menus somewhere though. I know I've found it before.
[19:14] <frybye> and then ones does not have to be a rocket scientist to figure what to do -... ;=)
[19:14] <MrKeuner> nemo, I have a thinkpad my sleep works OK most of the time. My friend has a vaio and he cannot sleep.
[19:14] <MrKeuner> that 8.10
[19:14] <nemo> frybye: Applications->Accessories->Passwords and Encryption Keys
[19:15] <nemo> that was it
[19:15] <nemo> MrKeuner: his swap big enough? I guess there could be some issue with his BIOS
[19:15] <zhurai> z.z
[19:16] <MrKeuner> nemo, I thought that was Ubuntu's fault but you may be right, I'll suggest him check for a bios firmware update
[19:16] <zhurai> zhurai> VMware install notes: http://paste.ubuntu.com/142973/
 didn't go too well post install   <--  no desktop shown,  only panels (useable), apt-check opening _a lot_ of windows, nautilus crash
[19:16] <nemo> MrKeuner: well. just thinking could be an APM/ACPI compatibility issue
[19:16] <zhurai> >_>
[19:16] <nemo> MrKeuner: could look his laptop model up, ubuntu has some compatibility pages, and there is linux on laptops
[19:17] <MrKeuner> nemo, I seldomly find there the specific laptop I am looking for
[19:18]  * zhurai is totally ignored :|
[19:20] <zhurai> oh and
[19:20] <zhurai> computer info
[19:20] <zhurai> Compaq Presario
[19:20] <zhurai> C771US Notebook PC
[19:20] <nemo> zhurai: don't get what your question is
[19:20] <zhurai> on VMware workstationn 6.5
[19:20] <zhurai> err
[19:20] <zhurai> z.z I'm asking what's all the apt-checks for
[19:21] <zhurai> and why is it crashing (?) nautilius (sp?)
[19:21] <zhurai> *nautilus
[19:24] <zhurai> hmp
[19:25] <zhurai> after I say ok to the crash message
[19:25] <zhurai> all the other windows of apt-check disappeared
[19:25] <zhurai> ...and then the computer  (VM) goes uber slow
[19:26] <Ienorand> zhurai: Try unmounting the iso of the vm
[19:26] <Ienorand> zhurai: Or run "sudo apt-get remove libbrasero-media0"
[19:29] <zhurai_> ok...weird
[19:29] <zhurai_> just weird
[19:29] <zhurai_> ...
 zhurai: Try unmounting the iso of the vm <-- it is unmounted
[19:30] <zhurai_> another thing.... after it showed the crash message
[19:30] <zhurai_> well
[19:30] <zhurai_> VMware was grabbing my mouse
[19:30] <zhurai_> and then VMware crashed
[19:30] <zhurai_> making it I couldn't switch to another tty to kill it >_<
[19:32] <zhurai_> I hope that those errors doesn't happen when I try to install it on my real computer....
[19:32] <zhurai_> ...
[19:32] <dan457> Unlikely
[19:32] <zhurai_> O_o my old connection didn't die -_-
[19:32] <zhurai_> ^ kay
[19:33] <Ienorand> zhurai_: Is that a livecd you're using or an installed system?
 zhurai_: Is that a livecd you're using or an installed system? <-- I ran VMware, made new VM, used the desktop beta live CD on it, installed it (no errors), then restarted, unmounted iso, then that happened
[19:36] <zhurai_> ...and I'm hella lagging
[19:36] <zhurai_> z.z
[19:37] <Halow> 0
[19:38] <Ienorand> zhurai_: Hmm, do you have the "nautilus show_desktop" value in gconf  set to false?
[19:38] <zhurai_> no idea z.z
[19:38] <zhurai_> it didn't let me -do- anything
[19:38] <zhurai_> ...and I'm going to have to reinstall, cause if I run it again, it's going to crash VMware again O_o
[19:39] <Ienorand> zhurai_: can you use alt-F2 and run gnome-terminal?
[19:39] <zhurai_> like I said earlier, after nautilus crashed, it crashed VMware somehow, and since VMware was holding my keys+mouse, I had to restart the whole computer
[19:40] <Ienorand> zhurai_: If you want I could send you a reasonably working vmware config file which I've used for jaunty...
[19:41] <zhurai_> eh, sure.. but I'll still reinstall it (shouldn't take long) once I get home
[19:45] <Ienorand> zhurai_: Ok
[20:09] <topyli> hmmm does the inbuilt evolution mail-notification work? for me it does make a sound but doesn't display an icon in the notification area
[20:10] <burg> hello. do you know if 9.04 will fix the issue with nvidia 8200 chipset?
[20:13] <Ienorand> burg: what issue?, bug link? symptoms?
[20:14] <burg> i can not install, it crashes
[20:15] <Jimi_Neutral> HI all, i just installed 9.04 and everything was fine until i went to log in and got this message http://paste.ubuntu.com/143027/
[20:15] <aapzak> hmmm that kinda sucks
[20:16] <Jimi_Neutral> and guess what this is my first time installing linux
[20:16] <Jimi_Neutral> well second by the first was for work this is for me
[20:16] <aapzak> I do some major upgrading, switching from ubuntu to kubuntu and vice versa, never had that particular problem
[20:16] <Jimi_Neutral> i did notice that when it was finished and it said to take disc out and restart a load of error codes popped up on the screen real quick
[20:16] <burg> 8.10 crashes. as for 8.04 and/or 7.10 , i can install it, but after i install nvidia driver, i can only see black screen
[20:17] <burg> plus: shut down is giving error in 8.10
[20:17] <Jimi_Neutral> so is there anything i can do or is it pretty much start all over again
[20:18] <aapzak> Jimi_Neutral: almost anything can be fixed, but if you're new to this and you don't have any important data, you might want to just reinstall
[20:19] <Jimi_Neutral> aapzak, i have an xp installation on one of the partitions
[20:19] <LordKow> and dont use jaunty until it's released if this is your first time using linux.
[20:20] <Jimi_Neutral> ok i was told to i might as well use it
[20:20] <LordKow> i will slap whoever told you that
[20:20] <holdenss> lol
[20:20] <Jimi_Neutral> hmm ok well that doesnt matter now, i just wanna get this sorted
[20:20] <burg> so you have no idea. then, the only thing i can do is wait 3 more weeks and then test it myself
[20:20] <aapzak> LordKow: jaunty beta is pretty good, isn't it? Don't know the installer though
[20:21] <LordKow> aapzak, um. it's test software. i would never ever never ever ever ever ever recommend it to someone using linux for the first time.
[20:21] <Jimi_Neutral> so download hardy and start again?
[20:21] <topyli> Jimi_Neutral: intrepid is current stable
[20:21] <LordKow> Jimi_Neutral, i would recommend intrepid.
[20:21] <cwillu> Jimi_Neutral, intrepid probably
[20:22] <topyli> aapzak: jaunty is broken
[20:22] <Jimi_Neutral> well i am using intrepid server at work...dont ask, too much to explain, but its not an LTS is it
[20:22] <LordKow> no but it is still supported.
[20:22] <cwillu> Jimi_Neutral, whoever told you that you might as well use jaunty "because it's practically released" needs a good slap upside the head :)
[20:23] <LordKow> just not for as long of time as intrepid. you can keep upgrading to the latest supported version. ie when jaunty comes out you can upgrade from intrepid->jaunty and then keep getting the support.
[20:23] <Jimi_Neutral> lol ok, so i guess download interpid it is then, im glad i got a fast connection
[20:23]  * cwillu offers head upside slapping services at low monthly rates
[20:23] <LordKow> the amount of updates in the last couple of days should be a good indicator of how far away from release-ready jaunty is.
[20:23] <LordKow> kernel freeze hasn't even occurred yet... if it has then it was only within the last couple of days.
[20:24] <aapzak> a kernel a day :)
[20:24] <burg> thanks for help, guys
[20:25] <aapzak> burg, we did not help you at all, did we?
[20:25] <aapzak> any jaunty kde users here?
[20:26] <burg> aapzak: well noticed
[20:26] <aapzak> I keep on installing it, but after a short while I find myself removing it, I used to be a genuine kde fanboy ... whats going on?
[20:27] <Jimi_Neutral> thanks guys, downloading....again....now
[20:27] <aapzak> burg: your question was not really clear to me, and you're discussing < 9.04 ubuntu I guess
[20:27] <aapzak> burg: this is the 9.04 channel atm
[20:28] <ghindo> aapzak: KDE4 came along?
[20:28]  * ghindo shrugs
[20:28] <aapzak> :D
[20:29] <aapzak> I'm very sorry to say that I'm removing kde again :(
[20:29] <burg> aapzak: yeah, that`s why i asked if i can install 9.04 on a pc with nvidia 8200 chipset or there will still be compatibility issues
[20:29] <aapzak> burg: ah! I jumped in after that :)
[20:30] <macsim> hi, am I the only one who can't play .m3u files in rythmbox ?
[20:30] <burg> aapzak: well, do you have any idea?
[20:30] <aapzak> burg: I'm sorry
[20:31] <MTecknology> !76 is <reply>System 76 offers some free material such as flyers and stickers. http://knowledge76.com/index.php/76er_Program
[20:31] <zhurai> Ienorand> zhurai_: If you want I could send you a reasonably working vmware config file which I've used for jaunty...    <-- sure, if you are there still, I had to go to the next class
[20:31] <Ienorand> burg: are you seeing this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/342926 by any chance? (how much memory do you have, what version 32/64bit?)
[20:32] <aapzak> burg: is there a report on 8200 not being compatible?
[20:33] <zhurai> >.>>
[20:33] <zhurai> ff
[20:33] <aapzak> there was a similar remark on the intel chipset I'm using, thatone seems to be working fine, I just tried it
[20:34] <burg> i tried to install and failed. and i googled and find out from forums that many people with my chipset got the same problem
[20:35] <aapzak> I wonder how they fix that before the release
[20:37] <Ienorand> Whoever asked for the config file (can't find nickname): http://www.mibbit.com/up/KxPUyXIF.vmx You will have to manually create the empty disk file to accompany it, and set CD mount...
[20:44] <Jaymac> are there any issues with the partition resizer in the  beta cd?
[20:44] <Jaymac> a quick google didn't locate any... but this is the 3rd time i've attempted to install on a new laptop in a dual bootup setup and the partition resizer hasn't moved from 0% in the last 20 minutes
[20:46] <Jaymac> never mind it just jumped to 100%
[20:55] <benste> did someone manage to get skype working again?
[20:55] <benste> mine goes up to nearly 100% cpu on testcall and auto smalls the record volume
[21:00] <Halow> benste: The only way I ever get Skype to behave well is to use it with pasuspender. It refuses to play nicely with pulseaudio after a few minutes for me.
[21:01] <benste> Halow it worked fine with pulse and 8.10 but how can I use this pasuspender - and what is that?
[21:03] <Halow> benste: For me it was funny in the beginning of the Intrepid cycle, started working, worked OK in most of alpha and now doesn't. But when I launch Skype I run it in terminal as "pasuspender skype". That will pause pulseaudio until you close Skype (or the terminal).
[21:03] <[MindVirus]> Hi. I am not getting direct rendering on an Intel 945GME. Any suggestions?
[21:04] <benste> halow, thanks for the idea but that's no solution for me cause I'm running skype and otther apps all the time ;-)
[21:04] <benste> ok I'll come back tomorrow
[21:05] <Halow> Heh. Usually the same for me too. Been trying to talk people into using Ekiga forever now, which doesn't give me those problems. =/
[21:05] <[MindVirus]> Any suggestions?
[21:06] <topyli> [MindVirus]: intel drivers are funky right now
[21:06] <[MindVirus]> topyli, yeah?
[21:06] <topyli> yeah
[21:06] <Halow> [MindVirus]: It did work for me with UXA... for a while. Then didn't.
[21:07] <[MindVirus]> UXA?
[21:07] <[MindVirus]> topyli, when will they be unfunky?
[21:07] <topyli> who knows! :)
[21:07] <[MindVirus]> When is the "funk" status going to be dropped?
[21:07] <[MindVirus]> I see.
[21:07] <[MindVirus]> Halow, how do I use this mystical UXA?
[21:07] <Halow> [MindVirus]: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=6668996
[21:07] <topyli> [MindVirus]: fix it :)
[21:07] <[MindVirus]> I've never done driver dev.
[21:08] <[MindVirus]> I'd be happy to help if I could.
[21:08] <Halow> It started crashing X randomly, so I quit using it. Had to get a new card for dual monitors, so I haven't been keeping up with it.
[21:09] <[MindVirus]> What is UXA?
[21:16] <marlun> Why does the php5 package depend on libapache2-mod-php5? What if I don't want to use apache isn't it very unnecessary?
[21:17] <cwillu> marlun, php5 is a metapackage. What are you planning on deploying against?
[21:17] <cwillu> (well, not really a meta-package, but it's not the only way of installing php afaik)
[21:18] <marlun> cwillu: lighttpd
[21:21] <GSMX> marlun: php5-common ?
[21:22] <GSMX> oh, that's an example pack :P
[21:23] <cwillu> marlun, my bad, php5 depends on one of libapache2-mod-php5, libapache2-mod-php5filter or php5-cgi
[21:23] <cwillu> any one of those will satisfy the dependencies
[21:24] <[MindVirus]> UXA is not ready.
[21:24] <[MindVirus]> Definitely not.
[21:24] <marlun> cwillu: Ah, much better. Added php5-cgi to the aptitude install and it didn't add the apache stuff :) Thanks!
[21:25] <cwillu> [MindVirus], yes, that's exactly what the beta release notes say
[21:25] <[MindVirus]> I know.
[21:25] <cwillu> Jaunty is not released.  Definitely not :p
[21:26] <[MindVirus]> How do I enable EXA?
[21:26] <cwillu> having said that, I've found the xorg edgers repository more stable with an intel 945gm in uxa
[21:26] <cwillu> [MindVirus], uxa isn't enabled by default afaik
[21:27] <[MindVirus]> I know.
[21:27] <cwillu> you're running exa if you didn't explicitly change it (although check /var/log/Xorg.0.log to be sure, it'll have references to one or the other
[21:27] <[MindVirus]> Seems to be EXA.
[21:27] <[MindVirus]> but everything is tired and slow.
[21:27] <cwillu> yes, known bug
[21:27] <[MindVirus]> It doesn't seem like direct rendering.
[21:27] <cwillu> try uxa :p
[21:28] <[MindVirus]> I did...
[21:28] <[MindVirus]> It explodes.
[21:28] <cwillu> -generic kernel?
[21:28] <[MindVirus]> No.
[21:28] <[MindVirus]> Eeepc.
[21:28] <cwillu> -server?
[21:28] <cwillu> so, -generic kernel...
[21:28] <[MindVirus]> I guess.
[21:29] <cwillu> the UxaTesting page on the wiki might have some useful info listed, and again, I've had success with xorg-edgers, but the eeepc I'm responsible for is out of the province for another month, so I can't do much testing on it yet :(
[21:30] <cwillu> bug #303011 might have some more useful information too
[21:30] <cwillu> (you know a bug is encountered often when you've memorized the number :p)
[21:33] <aapzak> anyone, is /etc/resolv.conf a link or a file?
[21:33] <cwillu> aapzak, ls -l /etc/resolv.conf will tell you
[21:33] <boby> ned help
[21:33] <aapzak> :)
[21:34] <cwillu> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 31 2009-01-20 22:49 /etc/resolv.conf -> /etc/resolvconf/run/resolv.conf
[21:34] <boby> my mic doesn't work in skype but it work in audacity
[21:34] <boby> I have laptop HP6735b and kubuntu 8.10 upgraded to 9.04
[21:34] <aapzak> cwillu: great, thanks, mine is a regular file, probably explains why my ppp dns is not being used
[21:34] <cwillu> heh
[21:35] <cwillu> boby, did you have to do anything in intrepid to get it to work, or did it just work out of the box with a completely stock configuration?
[21:36] <[MindVirus]> I'm going through the suggestionss.
[21:36] <[MindVirus]> *suggestions
[21:36] <boby> i did't try it while it was 8.10 ver if that is what you ask
[21:36] <[MindVirus]> Setting the card to 666 didn't help.
[21:36] <boby> sorry my english is poor
[21:36] <cwillu> [MindVirus], probably best to read all the comments before you start trying anything
[21:36] <[MindVirus]> I am.
[21:37] <cwillu> the permissions on dri, for instance, was fixed already :p
[21:37] <aapzak> cwillu: that was it, thanks
[21:37] <boby> I have upgraded my kubuntu with alternate cd
[21:37] <cwillu> boby, any chance you could get an intrepid cd and test if it worked there?
[21:37] <cwillu> wait, skype...
[21:38] <boby> I have interpis dvd
[21:38] <cwillu> boby, you'll need to look on pulseaudio's site about how to configure skype to use it properly
[21:38] <boby> interpid
[21:38] <boby> ok
[21:39] <eternal_p> good afternoon all..I apparently am running openjdk as my java version, I would rather switch that for the actual sun java, although I am not too sure what to apt-get remove and apt-get install.....
[21:39] <eternal_p> (64-bit)
[21:39] <caeroe> hmm seems like an update fixed the freezing gnome panel, i just ran it and restarted, didn't even look  :)
[21:43] <aapzak> byebye guys, sleep time
[21:45] <Tumie> is the server beta, fully compactable with a LAMP server ??
[21:49] <imachine> sup, anyone can't update ekiga?
[21:50] <imachine> I have it in the updates manager, but it's unchecked, and I can't check it.
[21:50] <imachine> checkbox it.
[21:50] <imachine> whatever.
[21:50] <imachine> ;)
[21:51] <larsemil> using kubuntu i have a problem with some plasmoids suddenly not working
[21:54] <spaceBARbarian> spaceBARbarian: in the volume control panel is there a way to bind the volume of one stream to another ?
[21:54] <cwillu> woot, bisect complete!
[21:54] <cwillu> take that, ext4-hanging-the-system-bug
[21:55] <bjsnider> i don't know that there are any ext4 bugs
[21:55] <cwillu> bjsnider, there are, I can tell you the patch that caused it even :p
[21:56] <cwillu> bug #330824
[21:56] <bjsnider> yes but why would files be deleted from the root partition?
[21:57] <cwillu> bjsnider, why would you delete files?  are you really asking that?
[21:57] <cwillu> it's not files in /
[21:57] <ghindo> I'm still experiencing the laptop hard drive issue from previous ubuntu releases - the hard drive head parks way too often.  Is anybody else experiencing this?
[21:57] <cwillu> it's files anywhere in an ext4filesystem
[21:57] <bjsnider> from home, not from root
[21:57] <[MindVirus]> Will Intel drivers be ready for the release?
[21:58] <cwillu> bjsnider, you don't install and remove packages?
[21:58] <bjsnider> sure i do
[21:59] <spaceBARbarian> anyone know how i can bind my laptop volume buttons to two separate devices ? for some reason ubuntu has the headphone jack and internal speakers show up on separate devices
[22:00] <bjsnider> pulseaudio can send audio to two devices at once
[22:00] <cwillu> spaceBARbarian, set the volume control to pcm out or equivilent, not the particular output device
[22:01] <spaceBARbarian> cwillu: thanks that worked
[22:03] <cwillu> UBUNTU: SAUCE: (revert before 2.6.28.y update) [PATCH] ext4: don't use blocks freed but not yet committed in buddy cache init
[22:03] <cwillu> UBUNTU: SAUCE: (revert before 2.6.28.y update) [PATCH] ext4: Use EXT4_GROUP_INFO_NEED_INIT_BIT during resize
[22:03] <cwillu> UBUNTU: SAUCE: (revert before 2.6.28.y update) [PATCH] ext4: cleanup mballoc header files
[22:03] <[MindVirus]> Will Intel drivers be ready for the release?
[22:03] <cwillu> one of those is the cause
[22:04] <cwillu> [MindVirus], firm maybe
[22:04] <[MindVirus]> Maybe?
[22:04] <cwillu> [MindVirus], you saw the bug report, it's being worked on, what more can I tell you?
[22:04] <[MindVirus]> Can you link to it again?
[22:04] <cwillu> launchpad and/or the mailing lists are more authoritative than this channel :p
[22:05] <cwillu> bug #303011
[22:05] <bjsnider> driver poor performance hahaha
[22:05] <bjsnider> that's a good one
[22:07] <[MindVirus]> What about my Firefox plugins? They don't seem to work at all.
[22:07] <[MindVirus]> Flash, video player.
[22:07] <bjsnider> hahahaaa
[22:07] <bjsnider> does anything related tot he intel driver work?
[22:07] <bjsnider> pity the intel folks
[22:07] <[MindVirus]> Well, I have a desktop.
[22:07] <cwillu> bjsnider, uxa works fine on my 945
[22:08] <bjsnider> cwillu, hold on a minute
[22:08] <bjsnider> cwillu, uxa is now enabled by default in jaunty? i read that was not the case
[22:08] <[MindVirus]> It isn't, but GEM is.
[22:08] <cwillu> bjsnider, didn't say it was
[22:08] <[MindVirus]> Whatever GEM is.
[22:08] <cwillu> replacement video memory manager
[22:09] <bjsnider> graphics execution manager. uses the kernel to manage graphcis memory
[22:10] <bjsnider> cwillu, if uxa isn't enabled by default then how is joe six-pack supposed to make use o' it?
[22:10] <cwillu> bjsnider, add AccelMethod "UXA" to an otherwise spartan xorg.conf?
[22:10] <spaceBARbarian> whats a good lightweight IDE for some systems programming ?
[22:10] <cwillu> bjsnider, you asked if anything related to intel works, and I named one thing that works :)
[22:10] <cwillu> uxa, on my system :p
[22:11] <bjsnider> cwillu, gotcha. at least there's that.
[22:11] <bjsnider> spaceBARbarian, visual studio
[22:11] <cwillu> bjsnider, there's progress being made on it
[22:13] <josh-l> okay big problem here... i've had to power down manually, because i've been getting lock ups cursor still moves, but nonthing else is functional (kubuntu jaunty)
[22:13] <josh-l> help?
[22:14] <josh-l> how can i find out whats going on? a log somewhere?
[22:14] <josh-l> this only started happening today
[22:17] <bjsnider> josh-l, your browser problems of last night would have been solved by today's updates
[22:17] <spaceBARbarian> bjsnider: isnt that for windows ?
[22:17] <spaceBARbarian> i was thinking geany
[22:17] <josh-l> bjsnider: right that was solved, but this current problem is worse
[22:17] <bjsnider> spaceBARbarian,  what's your point?
[22:18] <spaceBARbarian> bjsnider: you want me to use wine ?
[22:19] <bjsnider> spaceBARbarian, you can use windows in a virtual machine
[22:19] <josh-l> huh my problem might be related kwalletmanager... i get a crash notification every time i shutdown my machine and log back in
[22:19] <bjsnider> youneed one anyway to make sure your software runs on all platforms
[22:20] <bjsnider> josh-l, file a bug
[22:20] <josh-l> bjsnider: is it possible its causing this disaterous lock up?
[22:20] <spaceBARbarian> bjsnider: visual studio is not exactly lightweight ...
[22:21] <bjsnider> yes, because if youc  an still move the mouse, the kernel hasn't locked up, so i'd bet on the desktop environment, or some aspect of the x server
[22:21] <LjL> bjsnider: this is an Ubuntu support channel, "Visual Studio" isn't a really appropriate answer to the question that was asked.
[22:22] <bjsnider> LjL, but was the question appropriate
[22:23] <josh-l> bjsnider: is there a log somewhere i can make sure whats happening?
[22:23] <LjL> bjsnider: i don't see why not, but if it had not been, then "try asking in #ubuntu-offtopic" would have been a much more appropriate answer
[22:23] <bjsnider> LjL, i was not aware of that channel
[22:25] <bjsnider> LjL, i thought you could build visual studio apps that would run on linux through mono
[22:25] <LjL> bjsnider: that's likely, still visual studio is not ubuntu software
[22:26] <bjsnider> LjL, he asked for a good IDE, not for ubuntu software specifically
[22:27] <LjL> bjsnider: this is an Ubuntu channel so Ubuntu software is *implied*, i think you're arguing pointlessly about this - your answer was clearly in jest
[22:29] <bjsnider> i didn't think so at the time, but i suppose vs isn't lightweight
[22:29] <josh-l> bjsnider: is there a log somewhere i can make sure whats happening?
[22:29] <bjsnider> probably, but i'm not a kde guy
[22:29] <holdenss> kde sucks :P
[22:30] <bjsnider> it would be great if it worked
[22:30] <topyli> whatwhat
[22:30] <topyli> nice jaunty discussion here, i see
[22:32] <darkfile1> hi there
[22:32] <darkfile1> i did something a bit unusual and apt does not behave as expected
[22:32] <darkfile1> maybe you can help me?
[22:32] <darkfile1> i installed jaunty with alternate CD
[22:32] <darkfile1> using whole disk encryption
[22:33] <spaceBARbarian> does anyone use lastfm with rythmbox ? i cant get it to scrobble properly
[22:33] <darkfile1> and as /boot and grub are unencrypted, i placed both on a USB stick for extra paranoia
[22:33] <darkfile1> now there was a kernel update and it simply created a new /boot instead of asking me to plug in the stick :(
[22:34] <adefigo|afk> boot with the usb-stick to the old kernel, mount the /boot on usb and reinstall kernel
[22:35] <josh-l> something in kde is crashing and causing kde to lock up... does anyone know if there is a log somewhere i can check to find out what it is??
[22:36] <ghindo> spaceBARbarian: Yes, I use last.fm and Rhythmbox.  What isn't working for you?
[22:37] <spaceBARbarian> its not scrobbling :P
[22:37] <charlie-tca> josh-l: just a guess, I don't use kde, but is there anything in /var/log?
[22:37] <spaceBARbarian> ghindo: im using the external lastfm app , not the plugin
[22:38] <charlie-tca> josh-l: You could always ask on #kubuntu also, they would probably know.
[22:39] <topyli> spaceBARbarian: use the plugin of whatever player you're using
[22:39] <topyli> the lastfm application doesn't know what you play in any other player afaik
[22:40] <spaceBARbarian> topyli: im using rythmbox, where do i get the plugin ?
[22:40] <topyli> spaceBARbarian: it's right there in rhythmbox, just enable the plugin
[22:40] <topyli> preferences -> plugins
[22:41] <topyli> or edit -> plugins
[22:41] <spaceBARbarian> topyli: do i need the last.fm app running too ?
[22:41] <bjsnider> topyli, what does srobbling mean?
[22:41] <topyli> spaceBARbarian: no
[22:41] <spaceBARbarian> still no scrobbling :P
[22:41] <topyli> spaceBARbarian: you don't need it at all, rhythmbox both scrobbles and plays last.fm stations just fine
[22:42] <topyli> spaceBARbarian: scrobbling happens when you have played half the song or at least 2 minutes, not instantly
[22:42] <bjsnider> i don't think scrobble is a word
[22:42] <spaceBARbarian> bjsnider: last.fm, go check it out
[22:42] <topyli> bjsnider: your player reports to the last.fm website what you're listening to. over time, it builds a musical profile of you
[22:42] <topyli> bjsnider: it can then suggest new music to you that you might like
[22:42] <spaceBARbarian> topyli: in windows it shows me on my profile what song i am playing, regardless of how long i have played it
[22:43] <topyli> spaceBARbarian: perhaps
[22:43] <topyli> bjsnider: like this: http://www.last.fm/user/topyli
[22:43] <topyli> it's pretty cool
[22:44] <topyli> bjsnider: not my profile necessarily, but the system :)
[22:44] <bjsnider> topyli, how accurate do the suggestions turn out to be? do you actually dig them?
[22:44] <topyli> bjsnider: it's surprisingly good
[22:45] <topyli> bjsnider: gets better over time, once it knows more and more about you
[22:47] <bjsnider> topyli, too much information that could be used by fbi or homeland whatchamacallit
[22:47] <ghindo> Is anybody else having difficulty with updating the cupsys-driver-gutenprint package?
[23:23] <aboSamoor> Why new mail pidgin notification is not integrated with the new notification system from 9.04 ?
[23:27] <ActionParsnip> aboSamoor: not something i use, sorry
[23:27] <aboSamoor> ActionParsnip: you mean you don't use pidgin ?
[23:28] <ActionParsnip> i use pidgin, just not the notification thing as I use kde
[23:36] <savvas> hello, does anyone know how to read the --prefix path variable from distutils while processing a custom command in setup.py?
[23:48] <jonaskoelker> hi all.  My keycode/keysym mapping has changed in the intrepid->jaunty upgrade.  Now 111 and 116 are Up/Down.  On my debian box, Up/Down are 104 and 98.  Synergy transmits them as 104 and 98 as well (which has worked Just Fine before jaunty), so this means except the alphanumeric keys, I can't use my desktop's keyboard on my laptop (through synergy), which makes me a Sad Panda :(
[23:48] <jonaskoelker> how to fix?
[23:49] <jonaskoelker> ISTR this happening in the hairy->intrepid upgrade as well, and having to do with evdev and hal and all sorts of things that are Really Great(tm) and Incompatible(tm) and Breaks Your Current Setup(tm)
[23:49] <jonaskoelker> ;)
[23:49] <unixdawg> hey guys
[23:50] <unixdawg> whats the command to change timezones
[23:50] <unixdawg> I am in est but the computer thinks I am cst
[23:50] <jonaskoelker> the most unixy one would be chtz ;-)  but I think it isn't that one
[23:55] <unixdawg> dpkg-reconfigure tzdata