| thorwil | good morning! | 08:30 |
|---|---|---|
| thorwil | kwwii: i think this is no good: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuTitle | 08:30 |
| thorwil | i would rather discourage any use of it | 08:31 |
| SiDi | hi | 09:18 |
| SiDi | thorwil: you fooled n scared me :O | 09:18 |
| kwwii | thorwil: yeah, no doubt but it is all we have | 12:43 |
| kwwii | thorwil: do you know if anyone built packages of the new murrine svn? | 12:43 |
| kwwii | Cimi_: do you know if there are packages for the new murrine svn anywhere? | 12:43 |
| thorwil | no idea | 12:44 |
| thorwil | kwwii: i would simply remove https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuTitle | 12:44 |
| kwwii | thorwil: well, the package is in universe as well | 12:45 |
| thorwil | kwwii: can't stop people from getting and using it, but we can make it a bit less likely that more people find out about it ;) | 12:46 |
| kwwii | true | 12:47 |
| thorwil | i've send a mail to the list about wiki cleanup, but i hasn't made its way back to me, yet :/ | 12:49 |
| thorwil | quite unusual, as normally i receive my copy almost immediately | 12:50 |
| kwwii | well, in the end, we are working on rebarnding things anyway, so I think things will change in that regard anyway | 12:56 |
| kwwii | rebranding | 12:56 |
| thorwil | kwwii: could you please have a look if "Tricky Wiki" somehow made it into moderation? | 12:57 |
| kwwii | thorwil: I don't see anything in the email queue if that is what you mean | 13:10 |
| kwwii | thorwil: which list? | 13:10 |
| thorwil | kwwii: that's what i meant, thanks. plain ubuntu-art | 13:10 |
| kwwii | right, nothing in the queue | 13:11 |
| * thorwil sends again after tripple checking address | 13:11 | |
| thorwil | ah, worked | 13:20 |
| * thorwil goes for a walk | 13:20 | |
| kwwii | thorwil: nice stuff, great ideas | 13:50 |
| thorwil | kwwii: thanks! | 14:45 |
| Cimi_ | kwwii, no idea | 15:04 |
| kwwii | Cimi_: found it already, thanks | 15:40 |
| Cimi_ | kwwii, ok | 15:40 |
| Cimi_ | I still need ideas for the treeview | 15:40 |
| Cimi_ | before releasing 0.90.3 | 15:40 |
| Cimi_ | with a couple small fixes | 15:40 |
| kwwii | Cimi_: yeah, sorry about that, I am in bed most of the day :( | 15:41 |
| Cimi_ | no problem | 15:41 |
| thorwil | kwwii: so GutsyIconReview to Incoming/Gutsy and NewHumanTesting to Incoming/Intrepid(?), or would you prefer a "Feedback" section? | 17:14 |
| kwwii | thorwil: I think Incoming makes most sense, although the NewHumanTesting might be better off somewhere were it doesn't get lost | 17:17 |
| thorwil | oh, the archive is incomplete: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Archives | 17:30 |
| thorwil | kwwii: were the meetings all in 2008? | 17:36 |
| thorwil | bbl | 17:36 |
| thorwil | plop | 18:10 |
| thorwil | kwwii: where's the NEXT ARTWORK MEETING date defined? | 18:15 |
| _MMA_ | https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-art-pkg/human-icon-theme/rework | 18:39 |
| * thorwil runs with scissor in hands through the wiki | 19:03 | |
| thorwil | is this good for anything? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Guidelines/InBzr | 19:04 |
| thorwil | kwwii: solved that | 19:27 |
| kwwii | thorwil: hey, sounds like you are busy | 19:27 |
| thorwil | yes, no captives! | 19:28 |
| thorwil | "Internal Server Error" during a rename for all Kyudo pages, ouch! | 19:33 |
| miik | ubuntu looks professionalism | 19:33 |
| miik | it seems people have no clue about usability | 19:33 |
| miik | the GDM theme looks like the result of nepotism | 19:33 |
| _MMA_ | Well that's a great entrance. | 19:33 |
| thorwil | miik: would you like to be kicked? | 19:33 |
| miik | and the scrollbars lack contrast | 19:33 |
| miik | no? | 19:33 |
| miik | i want you to fix this -- http://launchpadlibrarian.net/24705138/scrollbar.png | 19:34 |
| _MMA_ | miik: How about you start up a chat rather than starting off by being insulting? | 19:34 |
| miik | lacks professionalism* | 19:34 |
| _MMA_ | *friendly chat | 19:34 |
| miik | well, i need tell people whats up | 19:34 |
| miik | and truth is, usability is horrible | 19:34 |
| _MMA_ | hahahahahhahahahahahahaha | 19:34 |
| miik | the GDM theme looks like the result of nepotism | 19:34 |
| miik | seriously, you seen the GDM theme in Jaunty? | 19:35 |
| miik | noway that shit would pass at Apple or Microsoft | 19:35 |
| _MMA_ | Seriously, you gonna chill or leave? | 19:35 |
| miik | you gotta fix the scrollbars | 19:35 |
| miik | so the OS is actually useable | 19:35 |
| _MMA_ | no | 19:35 |
| miik | look | 19:35 |
| miik | i told you whats wrong with it | 19:36 |
| miik | and proposed a solution | 19:36 |
| miik | now fix it | 19:36 |
| miik | microsoft and apple have people who look at stuff | 19:36 |
| thorwil | miik: you seem to have an entirely wrong concept of what this channel is about ... and on how to communicate with people in a constructive manner | 19:36 |
| miik | and fix stuff | 19:36 |
| miik | thats why their stuff is nice | 19:36 |
| miik | this linux and open source, they cant do anything | 19:36 |
| miik | not even when i tell them what todo | 19:36 |
| miik | its no wonder linux has been 15+ years and nobody gives a shit about it, when they cant even get scrollbars right | 19:37 |
| _MMA_ | hehe | 19:37 |
| miik | dude, you're so noob, you cant even ban anyone | 19:37 |
| miik | wtf? lol | 19:37 |
| miik | look, fix the colors | 19:38 |
| miik | its no wonder linux has been 15+ years and nobody gives a shit about it, when they cant even get scrollbars right | 19:38 |
| _MMA_ | Maybe this is more fun? :) | 19:38 |
| miik | god damn communist hippies | 19:38 |
| miik | 15+ years, and they cant even make usable scrollbars | 19:38 |
| miik | with good colors | 19:38 |
| _MMA_ | hahahhahahaa | 19:39 |
| miik | mac os x and windows have better scrollbars and usability | 19:39 |
| _MMA_ | hahahhahahaha | 19:39 |
| miik | honestly, what kind of idiot is the guy responsible for the artwork? | 19:40 |
| _MMA_ | :P | 19:40 |
| miik | i want to talk to the guy responsible | 19:40 |
| _MMA_ | He's a wizard | 19:40 |
| miik | fuck this shit | 19:40 |
| thorwil | living in a tower | 19:40 |
| miik | fucking open source communist hippie asshole | 19:40 |
| miik | go suck a dick | 19:40 |
| miik | bye | 19:40 |
| _MMA_ | bye | 19:40 |
| thorwil | wow | 19:41 |
| _MMA_ | hahahhahahahahahhahahahahaha | 19:41 |
| SiDi | Hello people | 19:41 |
| thorwil | his suggestion looked alright, I have to say ;> | 19:41 |
| thorwil | hi SiDi | 19:41 |
| _MMA_ | thorwil: I couldn't give a crap if he had the cure to Cancer. He was an ass. | 19:42 |
| thorwil | _MMA_: of course, that's why i said that now he's gone | 19:42 |
| SiDi | (i think im more or less a communist hippie, tho) | 19:42 |
| * _MMA_ has become more of one. | 19:43 | |
| _MMA_ | :P | 19:43 |
| thorwil | i know a canadian who calls himself a nazi-hippie | 19:43 |
| SiDi | quite weird | 19:43 |
| kwwii | hey, nazi-hippies are people too | 19:43 |
| SiDi | thorwil: gz on your april fool | 19:43 |
| SiDi | you're the one who caught me this year | 19:43 |
| thorwil | SiDi: always pleased to entertain ;) | 19:44 |
| kwwii | i didn't think it was funny one bit :p | 19:45 |
| kwwii | lol | 19:45 |
| thorwil | kwwii: maybe your perspective was more head-on, less sideways like mine ;) | 19:45 |
| kwwii | thorwil: no doubt...the pills made things seem very real to me | 19:46 |
| kwwii | you should keep the email I sent you though, it is probably funny to read | 19:46 |
| kwwii | at least now you know people care about you :) | 19:47 |
| thorwil | kwwii: it was funny and weird. and it's all archived :) | 19:49 |
| kwwii | thorwil: to clear things up, the entire specs part can go I think | 19:49 |
| kwwii | unless we find a good use for it | 19:49 |
| thorwil | kwwii: WarningThemes and Powder shall go there | 19:49 |
| kwwii | thorwil: good idea | 19:50 |
| _MMA_ | thorwil: "WarningThemes" isn't gonna happen. I don't think we should waste our time. There's technical reasons why it wont work. | 19:52 |
| thorwil | kwwii: tell me and i will delete the old specs pages | 19:52 |
| kwwii | thorwil: just sent you an email saying to delete them | 19:53 |
| thorwil | kwwii: heh, ok | 19:53 |
| thorwil | _MMA_: i'm still hesitant about removing WarningThemes. | 19:54 |
| _MMA_ | Why? | 19:55 |
| _MMA_ | I just wouldn't move it to a new spot. | 19:55 |
| thorwil | _MMA_: without moving, it takes space on the start page | 19:56 |
| _MMA_ | "thorwil: kwwii: WarningThemes and Powder shall go there" sounds like you're moving it to some new spot so we can work on it. | 19:56 |
| _MMA_ | thorwil: Got that link handy? | 19:57 |
| thorwil | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Specs/WarningThemes | 19:58 |
| _MMA_ | And https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Specs is the "Start" page? | 19:59 |
| thorwil | no, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork is | 19:59 |
| thorwil | huh? | 19:59 |
| thorwil | now it's https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Specifications/WarningThemes | 20:00 |
| _MMA_ | thorwil: Well where's it taking up space you don't like? | 20:00 |
| thorwil | _MMA_: in the link list | 20:00 |
| thorwil | _MMA_: it looked like something important, being on one level with BreatheIconSet ;) | 20:01 |
| _MMA_ | Oh. I see what you mean. | 20:01 |
| _MMA_ | I'd still kill it. Or archive it somewhere. We need a spot for deprecated/abandoned ideas. | 20:02 |
| thorwil | Specifications now needs to be changed to not be all about LP blueprints :/ | 20:03 |
| _MMA_ | thorwil: You can add some <<BR>> in there to space some things out. | 20:04 |
| thorwil | _MMA_: do you feel like asking Ryan Prior? | 20:04 |
| thorwil | ugly | 20:04 |
| * _MMA_ looks around as he notices Cimi has taken throwil's body. | 20:05 | |
| kwwii | :p | 20:05 |
| _MMA_ | thorwil: About the WarningTheme? Im not that nice. I would just move it. We can bring it up on the Ml I guess. | 20:06 |
| kwwii | it is technicaly not possible to do it at this time | 20:06 |
| thorwil | heh. actually i'm just a logic markup fascist ;p | 20:06 |
| _MMA_ | :) | 20:06 |
| kwwii | so I think there needs to be more of a discussion around how ot do it than how it should look | 20:06 |
| thorwil | yeah, bring it up man! | 20:06 |
| _MMA_ | kwwii: It sould involve the ability to set a theme for root, then everyone else. Currentlt, everyone just gets "default user". | 20:07 |
| _MMA_ | *should | 20:07 |
| _MMA_ | Damn I should look before hitting Enter. | 20:07 |
| kwwii | _MMA_: right on both | 20:08 |
| kwwii | ;) | 20:08 |
| _MMA_ | hahaha He filed a bug. :) bug 354018 | 20:09 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 354018 in human-theme "Lack of contrast in scrollbar results in poor usability" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/354018 | 20:09 |
| kwwii | the human theme? who uses that anymore? | 20:10 |
| _MMA_ | :P | 20:10 |
| thorwil | gotta love that "poor usability". instead of "makes it hard to see", or something | 20:11 |
| * _MMA_ comments | 20:11 | |
| _MMA_ | (makes it sound like Troy) :P | 20:11 |
| SiDi | not seeing a scrollbar hugely decreases my productivity.. huhu | 20:12 |
| thorwil | Troy is a good man. gifted me with "The Elements of Typographic Style" ;) | 20:12 |
| _MMA_ | :) | 20:12 |
| thorwil | SiDi: right, without enough contrast there, i totally lose orientation, any sense of where in the world i am! | 20:13 |
| SiDi | Yeh | 20:14 |
| SiDi | i'd prefer borderless windows but black/white 50px scrollbars | 20:14 |
| _MMA_ | :P | 20:15 |
| SiDi | because i lose productivity, and you know, this sinks me into a quite hard depression | 20:15 |
| _MMA_ | kwwii: His issue (the bug) can be changed in Murrine I know. I do it in Studio's theme. Looks like DarkRoom does also. If it's Human with Ubuntu looks I'd mark "Won't Fix". | 20:16 |
| * _MMA_ wants to mark "Invalid" just to be a tool but then realizes it's a waste of time. | 20:20 | |
| thorwil | kwwii: say, do have that wildcard in your wiki settings and do you see all my actions? | 20:23 |
| thorwil | just wonder if said wildcard works reliably | 20:23 |
| kwwii | thorwil: no, I am not subscribed to all the pages or such | 20:28 |
| kwwii | I probably should be | 20:28 |
| kwwii | _MMA_: :p | 20:29 |
| kwwii | lol, I like the MY Pages link in the wiki | 20:31 |
| kwwii | it does absolutely nothing | 20:31 |
| kwwii | except break, of course | 20:31 |
| thorwil | My pages? -> oh, Lost something?. | 20:35 |
| kwwii | yeah, I lost my pages, apparently :p | 20:46 |
| kwwii | well, time for a film, bbl | 20:50 |
| thorwil | cya! | 20:50 |
| kwwii | have fun | 20:50 |
| thorwil | must have looked like vandalism to those guys who receive notification on everything in the wiki :) | 21:08 |
| thorwil | good night! | 21:08 |
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