[08:30] <thorwil> good morning!
[08:30] <thorwil> kwwii: i think this is no good: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuTitle
[08:31] <thorwil> i would rather discourage any use of it
[09:18] <SiDi> hi
[09:18] <SiDi> thorwil: you fooled n scared me :O
[12:43] <kwwii> thorwil: yeah, no doubt but it is all we have
[12:43] <kwwii> thorwil: do you know if anyone built packages of the new murrine svn?
[12:43] <kwwii> Cimi_: do you know if there are packages for the new murrine svn anywhere?
[12:44] <thorwil> no idea
[12:44] <thorwil> kwwii: i would simply remove https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuTitle
[12:45] <kwwii> thorwil: well, the package is in universe as well
[12:46] <thorwil> kwwii: can't stop people from getting and using it, but we can make it a bit less likely that more people find out about it ;)
[12:47] <kwwii> true
[12:49] <thorwil> i've send a mail to the list about wiki cleanup, but i hasn't made its way back to me, yet :/
[12:50] <thorwil> quite unusual, as normally i receive my copy almost immediately
[12:56] <kwwii> well, in the end, we are working on rebarnding things anyway, so I think things will change in that regard anyway
[12:56] <kwwii> rebranding
[12:57] <thorwil> kwwii: could you please have a look if "Tricky Wiki" somehow made it into moderation?
[13:10] <kwwii> thorwil: I don't see anything in the email queue if that is what you mean
[13:10] <kwwii> thorwil: which list?
[13:10] <thorwil> kwwii: that's what i meant, thanks. plain ubuntu-art
[13:11] <kwwii> right, nothing in the queue
[13:11]  * thorwil sends again after tripple checking address
[13:20] <thorwil> ah, worked
[13:20]  * thorwil goes for a walk
[13:50] <kwwii> thorwil: nice stuff, great ideas
[14:45] <thorwil> kwwii: thanks!
[15:04] <Cimi_> kwwii, no idea
[15:40] <kwwii> Cimi_: found it already, thanks
[15:40] <Cimi_> kwwii, ok
[15:40] <Cimi_> I still need ideas for the treeview
[15:40] <Cimi_> before releasing 0.90.3
[15:40] <Cimi_> with a couple small fixes
[15:41] <kwwii> Cimi_: yeah, sorry about that, I am in bed most of the day :(
[15:41] <Cimi_> no problem
[17:14] <thorwil> kwwii: so GutsyIconReview to Incoming/Gutsy and NewHumanTesting to Incoming/Intrepid(?), or would you prefer a "Feedback" section?
[17:17] <kwwii> thorwil: I think Incoming makes most sense, although the NewHumanTesting might be better off somewhere were it doesn't get lost
[17:30] <thorwil> oh, the archive is incomplete: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Archives
[17:36] <thorwil> kwwii: were the meetings all in 2008?
[17:36] <thorwil> bbl
[18:10] <thorwil> plop
[18:15] <thorwil> kwwii: where's the NEXT ARTWORK MEETING date defined?
[18:39] <_MMA_> https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-art-pkg/human-icon-theme/rework
[19:03]  * thorwil runs with scissor in hands through the wiki
[19:04] <thorwil> is this good for anything? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Guidelines/InBzr
[19:27] <thorwil> kwwii: solved that
[19:27] <kwwii> thorwil: hey, sounds like you are busy
[19:28] <thorwil> yes, no captives!
[19:33] <thorwil> "Internal Server Error" during a rename for all Kyudo pages, ouch!
[19:33] <miik> ubuntu looks professionalism
[19:33] <miik> it seems people have no clue about usability
[19:33] <miik> the GDM theme looks like the result of nepotism
[19:33] <_MMA_> Well that's a great entrance.
[19:33] <thorwil> miik: would you like to be kicked?
[19:33] <miik> and the scrollbars lack contrast
[19:33] <miik> no?
[19:34] <miik> i want you to fix this -- http://launchpadlibrarian.net/24705138/scrollbar.png
[19:34] <_MMA_> miik: How about you start up a chat rather than starting off by being insulting?
[19:34] <miik> lacks professionalism*
[19:34] <_MMA_> *friendly chat
[19:34] <miik> well, i need tell people whats up
[19:34] <miik> and truth is, usability is horrible
[19:34] <_MMA_> hahahahahhahahahahahahaha
[19:34] <miik> the GDM theme looks like the result of nepotism
[19:35] <miik> seriously, you seen the GDM theme in Jaunty?
[19:35] <miik> noway that shit would pass at Apple or Microsoft
[19:35] <_MMA_> Seriously, you gonna chill or leave?
[19:35] <miik> you gotta fix the scrollbars
[19:35] <miik> so the OS is actually useable
[19:35] <_MMA_> no
[19:35] <miik> look
[19:36] <miik> i told you whats wrong with it
[19:36] <miik> and proposed a solution
[19:36] <miik> now fix it
[19:36] <miik> microsoft and apple have people who look at stuff
[19:36] <thorwil> miik: you seem to have an entirely wrong concept of what this channel is about ... and on how to communicate with people in a constructive manner
[19:36] <miik> and fix stuff
[19:36] <miik> thats why their stuff is nice
[19:36] <miik> this linux and open source, they cant do anything
[19:36] <miik> not even when i tell them what todo
[19:37] <miik> its no wonder linux has been 15+ years and nobody gives a shit about it, when they cant even get scrollbars right
[19:37] <_MMA_> hehe
[19:37] <miik> dude, you're so noob, you cant even ban anyone
[19:37] <miik> wtf? lol
[19:38] <miik> look, fix the colors
[19:38] <miik> its no wonder linux has been 15+ years and nobody gives a shit about it, when they cant even get scrollbars right
[19:38] <_MMA_> Maybe this is more fun? :)
[19:38] <miik> god damn communist hippies
[19:38] <miik> 15+ years, and they cant even make usable scrollbars
[19:38] <miik> with good colors
[19:39] <_MMA_> hahahhahahaa
[19:39] <miik> mac os x and windows have better scrollbars and usability
[19:39] <_MMA_> hahahhahahaha
[19:40] <miik> honestly, what kind of idiot is the guy responsible for the artwork?
[19:40] <_MMA_> :P
[19:40] <miik> i want to talk to the guy responsible
[19:40] <_MMA_> He's a wizard
[19:40] <miik> fuck this shit
[19:40] <thorwil> living in a tower
[19:40] <miik> fucking open source communist hippie asshole
[19:40] <miik> go suck a dick
[19:40] <miik> bye
[19:40] <_MMA_> bye
[19:41] <thorwil> wow
[19:41] <_MMA_> hahahhahahahahahhahahahahaha
[19:41] <SiDi> Hello people
[19:41] <thorwil> his suggestion looked alright, I have to say ;>
[19:41] <thorwil> hi SiDi
[19:42] <_MMA_> thorwil: I couldn't give a crap if he had the cure to Cancer. He was an ass.
[19:42] <thorwil> _MMA_: of course, that's why i said that now he's gone
[19:42] <SiDi> (i think im more or less a communist hippie, tho)
[19:43]  * _MMA_ has become more of one.
[19:43] <_MMA_> :P
[19:43] <thorwil> i know a canadian who calls himself a nazi-hippie
[19:43] <SiDi> quite weird
[19:43] <kwwii> hey, nazi-hippies are people too
[19:43] <SiDi> thorwil: gz on your april fool
[19:43] <SiDi> you're the one who caught me this year
[19:44] <thorwil> SiDi: always pleased to entertain ;)
[19:45] <kwwii> i didn't think it was funny one bit :p
[19:45] <kwwii> lol
[19:45] <thorwil> kwwii: maybe your perspective was more head-on, less sideways like mine ;)
[19:46] <kwwii> thorwil: no doubt...the pills made things seem very real to me
[19:46] <kwwii> you should keep the email I sent you though, it is probably funny to read
[19:47] <kwwii> at least now you know people care about you :)
[19:49] <thorwil> kwwii: it was funny and weird. and it's all archived :)
[19:49] <kwwii> thorwil: to clear things up, the entire specs part can go I think
[19:49] <kwwii> unless we find a good use for it
[19:49] <thorwil> kwwii: WarningThemes and Powder shall go there
[19:50] <kwwii> thorwil: good idea
[19:52] <_MMA_> thorwil: "WarningThemes" isn't gonna happen. I don't think we should waste our time. There's technical reasons why it wont work.
[19:52] <thorwil> kwwii: tell me and i will delete the old specs pages
[19:53] <kwwii> thorwil: just sent you an email saying to delete them
[19:53] <thorwil> kwwii: heh, ok
[19:54] <thorwil> _MMA_: i'm still hesitant about removing WarningThemes.
[19:55] <_MMA_> Why?
[19:55] <_MMA_> I just wouldn't move it to a new spot.
[19:56] <thorwil> _MMA_: without moving, it takes space on the start page
[19:56] <_MMA_> "thorwil: kwwii: WarningThemes and Powder shall go there" sounds like you're moving it to some new spot so we can work on it.
[19:57] <_MMA_> thorwil: Got that link handy?
[19:58] <thorwil> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Specs/WarningThemes
[19:59] <_MMA_> And https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Specs is the "Start" page?
[19:59] <thorwil> no, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork is
[19:59] <thorwil> huh?
[20:00] <thorwil> now it's https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Specifications/WarningThemes
[20:00] <_MMA_> thorwil: Well where's it taking up space you don't like?
[20:00] <thorwil> _MMA_: in the link list
[20:01] <thorwil> _MMA_: it looked like something important, being on one level with BreatheIconSet ;)
[20:01] <_MMA_> Oh. I see what you mean.
[20:02] <_MMA_> I'd still kill it. Or archive it somewhere. We need a spot for deprecated/abandoned ideas.
[20:03] <thorwil> Specifications now needs to be changed to not be all about LP blueprints :/
[20:04] <_MMA_> thorwil: You can add some <<BR>> in there to space some things out.
[20:04] <thorwil> _MMA_: do you feel like asking Ryan Prior?
[20:04] <thorwil> ugly
[20:05]  * _MMA_ looks around as he notices Cimi has taken throwil's body.
[20:05] <kwwii> :p
[20:06] <_MMA_> thorwil: About the WarningTheme? Im not that nice. I would just move it. We can bring it up on the Ml I guess.
[20:06] <kwwii> it is technicaly not possible to do it at this time
[20:06] <thorwil> heh. actually i'm just a logic markup fascist ;p
[20:06] <_MMA_> :)
[20:06] <kwwii> so I think there needs to be more of a discussion around how ot do it than how it should look
[20:06] <thorwil> yeah, bring it up man!
[20:07] <_MMA_> kwwii: It sould involve the ability to set a theme for root, then everyone else. Currentlt, everyone just gets "default user".
[20:07] <_MMA_> *should
[20:07] <_MMA_> Damn I should look before hitting Enter.
[20:08] <kwwii> _MMA_: right on both
[20:08] <kwwii> ;)
[20:09] <_MMA_> hahaha He filed a bug. :) bug 354018
[20:10] <kwwii> the human theme? who uses that anymore?
[20:10] <_MMA_> :P
[20:11] <thorwil> gotta love that "poor usability". instead of "makes it hard to see", or something
[20:11]  * _MMA_ comments
[20:11] <_MMA_> (makes it sound like Troy) :P
[20:12] <SiDi> not seeing a scrollbar hugely decreases my productivity.. huhu
[20:12] <thorwil> Troy is a good man. gifted me with "The Elements of Typographic Style" ;)
[20:12] <_MMA_> :)
[20:13] <thorwil> SiDi: right, without enough contrast there, i totally lose orientation, any sense of where in the world i am!
[20:14] <SiDi> Yeh
[20:14] <SiDi> i'd prefer borderless windows but black/white 50px scrollbars
[20:15] <_MMA_> :P
[20:15] <SiDi> because i lose productivity, and you know, this sinks me into a quite hard depression
[20:16] <_MMA_> kwwii: His issue (the bug) can be changed in Murrine I know. I do it in Studio's theme. Looks like DarkRoom does also. If it's Human with Ubuntu looks I'd mark "Won't Fix".
[20:20]  * _MMA_ wants to mark "Invalid" just to be a tool but then realizes it's a waste of time.
[20:23] <thorwil> kwwii: say, do have that wildcard in your wiki settings and do you see all my actions?
[20:23] <thorwil> just wonder if said wildcard works reliably
[20:28] <kwwii> thorwil: no, I am not subscribed to all the pages or such
[20:28] <kwwii> I probably should be
[20:29] <kwwii> _MMA_: :p
[20:31] <kwwii> lol, I like the MY Pages link in the wiki
[20:31] <kwwii> it does absolutely nothing
[20:31] <kwwii> except break, of course
[20:35] <thorwil> My pages? -> oh, Lost something?.
[20:46] <kwwii> yeah, I lost my pages, apparently :p
[20:50] <kwwii> well, time for a film, bbl
[20:50] <thorwil> cya!
[20:50] <kwwii> have fun
[21:08] <thorwil> must have looked like vandalism to those guys who receive notification on everything in the wiki :)
[21:08] <thorwil> good night!