[08:30] good morning! [08:30] kwwii: i think this is no good: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuTitle [08:31] i would rather discourage any use of it [09:18] hi [09:18] thorwil: you fooled n scared me :O [12:43] thorwil: yeah, no doubt but it is all we have [12:43] thorwil: do you know if anyone built packages of the new murrine svn? [12:43] Cimi_: do you know if there are packages for the new murrine svn anywhere? [12:44] no idea [12:44] kwwii: i would simply remove https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuTitle [12:45] thorwil: well, the package is in universe as well [12:46] kwwii: can't stop people from getting and using it, but we can make it a bit less likely that more people find out about it ;) [12:47] true [12:49] i've send a mail to the list about wiki cleanup, but i hasn't made its way back to me, yet :/ [12:50] quite unusual, as normally i receive my copy almost immediately [12:56] well, in the end, we are working on rebarnding things anyway, so I think things will change in that regard anyway [12:56] rebranding [12:57] kwwii: could you please have a look if "Tricky Wiki" somehow made it into moderation? [13:10] thorwil: I don't see anything in the email queue if that is what you mean [13:10] thorwil: which list? [13:10] kwwii: that's what i meant, thanks. plain ubuntu-art [13:11] right, nothing in the queue [13:11] * thorwil sends again after tripple checking address [13:20] ah, worked [13:20] * thorwil goes for a walk [13:50] thorwil: nice stuff, great ideas [14:45] kwwii: thanks! [15:04] kwwii, no idea [15:40] Cimi_: found it already, thanks [15:40] kwwii, ok [15:40] I still need ideas for the treeview [15:40] before releasing 0.90.3 [15:40] with a couple small fixes [15:41] Cimi_: yeah, sorry about that, I am in bed most of the day :( [15:41] no problem [17:14] kwwii: so GutsyIconReview to Incoming/Gutsy and NewHumanTesting to Incoming/Intrepid(?), or would you prefer a "Feedback" section? [17:17] thorwil: I think Incoming makes most sense, although the NewHumanTesting might be better off somewhere were it doesn't get lost [17:30] oh, the archive is incomplete: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Archives [17:36] kwwii: were the meetings all in 2008? [17:36] bbl [18:10] plop [18:15] kwwii: where's the NEXT ARTWORK MEETING date defined? [18:39] <_MMA_> https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-art-pkg/human-icon-theme/rework [19:03] * thorwil runs with scissor in hands through the wiki [19:04] is this good for anything? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Guidelines/InBzr [19:27] kwwii: solved that [19:27] thorwil: hey, sounds like you are busy [19:28] yes, no captives! [19:33] "Internal Server Error" during a rename for all Kyudo pages, ouch! [19:33] ubuntu looks professionalism [19:33] it seems people have no clue about usability [19:33] the GDM theme looks like the result of nepotism [19:33] <_MMA_> Well that's a great entrance. [19:33] miik: would you like to be kicked? [19:33] and the scrollbars lack contrast [19:33] no? [19:34] i want you to fix this -- http://launchpadlibrarian.net/24705138/scrollbar.png [19:34] <_MMA_> miik: How about you start up a chat rather than starting off by being insulting? [19:34] lacks professionalism* [19:34] <_MMA_> *friendly chat [19:34] well, i need tell people whats up [19:34] and truth is, usability is horrible [19:34] <_MMA_> hahahahahhahahahahahahaha [19:34] the GDM theme looks like the result of nepotism [19:35] seriously, you seen the GDM theme in Jaunty? [19:35] noway that shit would pass at Apple or Microsoft [19:35] <_MMA_> Seriously, you gonna chill or leave? [19:35] you gotta fix the scrollbars [19:35] so the OS is actually useable [19:35] <_MMA_> no [19:35] look [19:36] i told you whats wrong with it [19:36] and proposed a solution [19:36] now fix it [19:36] microsoft and apple have people who look at stuff [19:36] miik: you seem to have an entirely wrong concept of what this channel is about ... and on how to communicate with people in a constructive manner [19:36] and fix stuff [19:36] thats why their stuff is nice [19:36] this linux and open source, they cant do anything [19:36] not even when i tell them what todo [19:37] its no wonder linux has been 15+ years and nobody gives a shit about it, when they cant even get scrollbars right [19:37] <_MMA_> hehe [19:37] dude, you're so noob, you cant even ban anyone [19:37] wtf? lol [19:38] look, fix the colors [19:38] its no wonder linux has been 15+ years and nobody gives a shit about it, when they cant even get scrollbars right [19:38] <_MMA_> Maybe this is more fun? :) [19:38] god damn communist hippies [19:38] 15+ years, and they cant even make usable scrollbars [19:38] with good colors [19:39] <_MMA_> hahahhahahaa [19:39] mac os x and windows have better scrollbars and usability [19:39] <_MMA_> hahahhahahaha [19:40] honestly, what kind of idiot is the guy responsible for the artwork? [19:40] <_MMA_> :P [19:40] i want to talk to the guy responsible [19:40] <_MMA_> He's a wizard [19:40] fuck this shit [19:40] living in a tower [19:40] fucking open source communist hippie asshole [19:40] go suck a dick [19:40] bye [19:40] <_MMA_> bye [19:41] wow [19:41] <_MMA_> hahahhahahahahahhahahahahaha [19:41] Hello people [19:41] his suggestion looked alright, I have to say ;> [19:41] hi SiDi [19:42] <_MMA_> thorwil: I couldn't give a crap if he had the cure to Cancer. He was an ass. [19:42] _MMA_: of course, that's why i said that now he's gone [19:42] (i think im more or less a communist hippie, tho) [19:43] * _MMA_ has become more of one. [19:43] <_MMA_> :P [19:43] i know a canadian who calls himself a nazi-hippie [19:43] quite weird [19:43] hey, nazi-hippies are people too [19:43] thorwil: gz on your april fool [19:43] you're the one who caught me this year [19:44] SiDi: always pleased to entertain ;) [19:45] i didn't think it was funny one bit :p [19:45] lol [19:45] kwwii: maybe your perspective was more head-on, less sideways like mine ;) [19:46] thorwil: no doubt...the pills made things seem very real to me [19:46] you should keep the email I sent you though, it is probably funny to read [19:47] at least now you know people care about you :) [19:49] kwwii: it was funny and weird. and it's all archived :) [19:49] thorwil: to clear things up, the entire specs part can go I think [19:49] unless we find a good use for it [19:49] kwwii: WarningThemes and Powder shall go there [19:50] thorwil: good idea [19:52] <_MMA_> thorwil: "WarningThemes" isn't gonna happen. I don't think we should waste our time. There's technical reasons why it wont work. [19:52] kwwii: tell me and i will delete the old specs pages [19:53] thorwil: just sent you an email saying to delete them [19:53] kwwii: heh, ok [19:54] _MMA_: i'm still hesitant about removing WarningThemes. [19:55] <_MMA_> Why? [19:55] <_MMA_> I just wouldn't move it to a new spot. [19:56] _MMA_: without moving, it takes space on the start page [19:56] <_MMA_> "thorwil: kwwii: WarningThemes and Powder shall go there" sounds like you're moving it to some new spot so we can work on it. [19:57] <_MMA_> thorwil: Got that link handy? [19:58] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Specs/WarningThemes [19:59] <_MMA_> And https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Specs is the "Start" page? [19:59] no, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork is [19:59] huh? [20:00] now it's https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Specifications/WarningThemes [20:00] <_MMA_> thorwil: Well where's it taking up space you don't like? [20:00] _MMA_: in the link list [20:01] _MMA_: it looked like something important, being on one level with BreatheIconSet ;) [20:01] <_MMA_> Oh. I see what you mean. [20:02] <_MMA_> I'd still kill it. Or archive it somewhere. We need a spot for deprecated/abandoned ideas. [20:03] Specifications now needs to be changed to not be all about LP blueprints :/ [20:04] <_MMA_> thorwil: You can add some <
> in there to space some things out. [20:04] _MMA_: do you feel like asking Ryan Prior? [20:04] ugly [20:05] * _MMA_ looks around as he notices Cimi has taken throwil's body. [20:05] :p [20:06] <_MMA_> thorwil: About the WarningTheme? Im not that nice. I would just move it. We can bring it up on the Ml I guess. [20:06] it is technicaly not possible to do it at this time [20:06] heh. actually i'm just a logic markup fascist ;p [20:06] <_MMA_> :) [20:06] so I think there needs to be more of a discussion around how ot do it than how it should look [20:06] yeah, bring it up man! [20:07] <_MMA_> kwwii: It sould involve the ability to set a theme for root, then everyone else. Currentlt, everyone just gets "default user". [20:07] <_MMA_> *should [20:07] <_MMA_> Damn I should look before hitting Enter. [20:08] _MMA_: right on both [20:08] ;) [20:09] <_MMA_> hahaha He filed a bug. :) bug 354018 [20:09] Launchpad bug 354018 in human-theme "Lack of contrast in scrollbar results in poor usability" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/354018 [20:10] the human theme? who uses that anymore? [20:10] <_MMA_> :P [20:11] gotta love that "poor usability". instead of "makes it hard to see", or something [20:11] * _MMA_ comments [20:11] <_MMA_> (makes it sound like Troy) :P [20:12] not seeing a scrollbar hugely decreases my productivity.. huhu [20:12] Troy is a good man. gifted me with "The Elements of Typographic Style" ;) [20:12] <_MMA_> :) [20:13] SiDi: right, without enough contrast there, i totally lose orientation, any sense of where in the world i am! [20:14] Yeh [20:14] i'd prefer borderless windows but black/white 50px scrollbars [20:15] <_MMA_> :P [20:15] because i lose productivity, and you know, this sinks me into a quite hard depression [20:16] <_MMA_> kwwii: His issue (the bug) can be changed in Murrine I know. I do it in Studio's theme. Looks like DarkRoom does also. If it's Human with Ubuntu looks I'd mark "Won't Fix". [20:20] * _MMA_ wants to mark "Invalid" just to be a tool but then realizes it's a waste of time. [20:23] kwwii: say, do have that wildcard in your wiki settings and do you see all my actions? [20:23] just wonder if said wildcard works reliably [20:28] thorwil: no, I am not subscribed to all the pages or such [20:28] I probably should be [20:29] _MMA_: :p [20:31] lol, I like the MY Pages link in the wiki [20:31] it does absolutely nothing [20:31] except break, of course [20:35] My pages? -> oh, Lost something?. [20:46] yeah, I lost my pages, apparently :p [20:50] well, time for a film, bbl [20:50] cya! [20:50] have fun [21:08] must have looked like vandalism to those guys who receive notification on everything in the wiki :) [21:08] good night!