[04:22] <greg-g> bdmurray: congrats on MOTU.
[04:52] <bdmurray> greg-g: thanks!
[05:20] <dtchen> bdmurray: 'grats
[05:52] <mrooney> bdmurray: oh yeah, glad to see you are a MOTU now!
[06:07] <dholbach> good morning
[06:46] <YoBoY> hi
[06:52] <gopogo> ubuntu 8.10 has stopped mounting usb drive
[07:08] <YoBoY> gopogo: usb hard drive ? or every drives?
[07:22] <gopogo> usb hard drive
[07:22] <gopogo> actually any usb hard drive
[07:30] <YoBoY> gopogo: still mounting my passport in my 8.10
[07:42] <gopogo> its fixed now thanks
[07:50] <gopogo> is there any way i can convert ubuntu remix usb img to iso  ?
[07:57] <theseinfeld> today is hug day?
[07:57] <theseinfeld> xorg?
[08:05] <YoBoY> gopogo: i don't know and i don't understand why it's in img ^^"
[08:05] <YoBoY> gopogo: have you tried a program like img2iso ?
[10:57] <GSMX> hello, I have a question about bug #353120 what status should it get? "confirmed" (because the dependencies of firefox-addons are not correct(require 3.0)) or "invalid" (because it will be fixed when 3.5 arrives)
[11:02] <GSMX> hmm... i will mark it invalid, as the problem will be fixed when 3.5 comes
[11:22] <theseinfeld> GSMX mark it won't fix
[11:22] <theseinfeld> as it is already fixed in the new version
[11:52] <asac> any python-launchpadbug wizard here?
[11:52] <asac> dholbach: ?
[11:53] <asac> dholbach: how can i change package ? is that just changing some "Bug" field?
[11:54] <dholbach> asac: can you elaborate? I'm not sure I understand
[11:56] <dholbach> asac: ah, now I get it - hang on
[11:57] <dholbach> asac: for task in bug.infotable:
[11:57] <dholbach>     task.affects = "gedit"
[11:57] <dholbach> thekorn: ^ is that about right?
[11:59] <asac> dholbach: hmm so i can first match the "affects" if iw ant to change only a certain task?
[11:59] <asac> ok i will try that
[11:59] <asac> thanks
[12:00] <dholbach> there is not "the source package of the bug", there's only "the source package one of the tasks of the bug" :-/
[12:00] <dholbach> but I guess it makes sense
[12:00] <asac> yeah sure
[12:00] <asac> i wondered about tasks right after asking
[12:00] <asac> as long as all bugs have at least one task it works for me
[12:01] <asac> dholbach: is launchpadlib easier/better/faster ?
[12:01] <dholbach> asac: definitely less prone to breakage  :)
[12:03] <asac> good. i will stick with the old approach
[12:03] <asac> i dont want to give up the few scripts i have ;)
[12:36] <TEN> tjaalton: Successfully patched this long-broken plugin to the best of my knowledge; someone in the know about Debian-compliant packaging will have to pick up from here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+source/vdr-plugin-burn/+bug/226072
[12:55] <askand> Should bug 353341 be tagged regression-potential or regression-update?
[13:02] <thekorn> dholbach, yes this looks correct (sorry I was away, getting some food)
[13:03] <thekorn> I'm not sure if py-lp-bugs is working after todays launchpad rollout, so launchpadlib is definitely the best decision
[13:07] <war10ck> today there was another launchpad rollout?
[13:08] <Hobbsee> yes
[13:09] <war10ck> cool..
[13:09] <war10ck> didn't even notice...
[13:10] <manuel__> hi
[13:10] <manuel__> how can i help
[13:11] <TEN> Something's badly wrong about V4L(2) post-Feisty (encountered in Hardy) https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-v4l/+bug/243734 - can anyone make sense of this/suggest an approach to help diagnose?
[13:12] <manuel__> sorry i don't use xserver-xorg-video-v4 or V4L
[13:12] <manuel__> can i help in other way?
[13:14] <manuel__> i use 9.04 beta and the nvidia drivers from navidia.com
[13:14] <manuel__> kubuntu
[13:16] <askand> manuel__:  Hi! Check this out https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs
[13:16] <manuel__> thx
[13:17] <TEN> This is on standard Gnome of the LTS; you might see if xawtv (playing back from full-featured DVB digital television boards as related to this bug) works for you in KDE, but there might be too much of a difference between systems and versions
[13:24] <pedro_> happy hug day folks!
[13:24] <pedro_> remember that we're celebrating a xorg based hug day https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20090402
[13:25] <pedro_> there's a few bugs waiting to be squashed, so feel free to grab any off the list
[13:52] <TEN> pedro_ Seems this has come to IRC at the right time https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-v4l/+bug/243734 as something to start with ;)
[13:53] <TEN> BTW here's another one: I'm losing the numeric keypad after accessing a Hardy machine through VNC
[13:53] <TEN> though System/Preferences/Keyboard/Mouse Keys is off
[13:58] <TEN> Any suggestions how to investigate?
[14:41] <hggdh> mvo, ping/hi
[14:50] <santana1> hello?
[14:54] <mvo> hggdh: hi, I'm about to leave for some minutes, but I will read backlog
[14:54] <santana1> bye?
[14:54] <santana1> is anyone else in here/
[14:55] <hggdh> mvo, re. bug 257639 -- there are some dups, some confirmed; I would like to dup them all to this bug
[14:55] <hggdh> santana1, please just go ahead and ask -- there are a lot of people here
[14:56] <santana1> its just that no one ever says anthing in here
[14:57] <hggdh> ?? this is an IRC chat, santana1. People only say anything is there is something to be said
[14:58] <santana1> like wat exactly? what do we say in here. Ive been in here for quite a while and i have heard-nothing
[14:58] <seb128> if you have a question ask it and people might reply
[14:58] <santana1> ahhhhhhhh I seee
[14:59] <seb128> there is no point typing there just to generate activity
[14:59] <santana1> so i should shut up now?
[15:00] <hggdh> santana1, if you have no bugs you are working on and have doubts, then yes, it would be better to stay silent
[15:00] <santana1> uderstood. shutting-up
[15:04] <MagicFab___> maco ping
[15:05] <maco> MagicFab___: whats up?
[15:05] <santana1> alright team im signin off for now- gotta eat breakfast. Be back in a few!
[15:05] <MagicFab___> hey there. I cleaned up many flashblock duplicates.
[15:05] <MagicFab___> I end up with this:
[15:05] <MagicFab___> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/flashblock/+bugs
[15:06] <MagicFab___> should I mark intrepid and jaunty bugs as dupes of the Hardy bug ? And then target architectures in the master bug ?
[15:06] <maco> im surprised flashblock crashes firefox 3, rather than releasing it and flash doing the job
[15:06] <MagicFab___> i've never come across something similar - a security update from FF broke Flashblock in all releases - that's why
[15:06] <santana1> mark them each to ther own releases
[15:07] <santana1> this is more of a firefox bug than ours
[15:07] <maco> well you only need one bug, just use the nominate for release button
[15:07] <santana1> but this is mozillas goof not ours
[15:07] <MagicFab___> it's really a flashblock prob. - version from extensions (not packaged) is fine
[15:07] <MagicFab___> maco- nominate! ok, thanks.
[15:07] <maco> santana1: unless flashblock was doing something silly and mozilla just told it "no, dont do stupid stuff"
[15:08] <santana1> so the author is responsible/
[15:08] <MagicFab___> maco, I think it's along those lines although I can't judge stupid or not :)
[15:08] <MagicFab___> yes, he seems unfamiliar with Launchpad, he was tracking +10 bugs all the same, none marked dupes
[15:08] <hggdh> ^^ +1
[15:08] <MagicFab___> ok, one last question.
[15:09] <MagicFab___> Because hardy is LTS, any chance this would bea good candidate for SRU ?
[15:09] <MagicFab___> and.. any chance the fix (new version packaged) gets  in Jaunty at this point ?
[15:10] <santana1> well gotta go eat breakfast -be back in a while!
[15:10] <hggdh> for Hardy: it might be, if the impact is widespread, and there are not that many changes that make it a, er, new version
[15:11] <hggdh> for Jaunty, if it is a packaging error, then I guess it would be acceptable to request an exception
[15:14] <hggdh> MagicFab___, anyway, you can propose them, and justify why. The worst that can happen is it will be refused ;-)
[15:15] <MagicFab___> It's serious enough that I think web browsing with any flash involved isn't practical without flashblock
[15:15] <hggdh> there you go.
[15:16] <MagicFab___> hmm this feels like my first week at bug reporting ;) I notice the master bug is now nominated for backports. I nominated for actual releases.
[15:16] <MagicFab___> This is the result:
[15:16] <MagicFab___> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/flashblock/+bug/239151
[15:16] <MagicFab___> Does that look OK or could it be better ?
[15:18] <MagicFab___> Nominating for Intrepid backports makes sense, but not for INtrepid, ah well.
[15:18] <MagicFab___> maco, hggdh tx
[15:19] <hggdh> MagicFab___, welcome
[15:31] <bddebian> Boo
[15:38] <santana1> im back
[15:40] <santana1> I had peas and pot pie for breakfast
[15:44] <santana1> Has anyone else noticed it takes like 5 minutes for bugs to be announced on IRC
[15:44] <santana1> is that a bug itself?
[15:46] <hggdh> santana1, no, it is not a bug. There is a bit of a delay for the new bugs to appear on the feed, and then eeeBotu also sleeps for a while before checking again
[15:46] <tormod> santana1: good thing, because the reporter often adds more information within a few minutes
[15:46] <santana1> hmmm good point
[16:06] <mvo> hggdh: all with packagekit installed?
[16:14] <GSMX> can somebody give me some advice on bug triaging? when a bug is reported for intrepid but is fixed in jaunty, what status should it get?
[16:18] <bdmurray> GSMX: Fix Released and depending on serious it is we could look at fixing it for Intrepid
[16:19] <GSMX> bddebian, ok, thanks
[16:19] <partymola> Good afternoon
[16:22] <partymola> I have just downloaded the Ubuntu 9.04 Desktop i386 iso, and have burned it in a USB pendrive. I am booting from the USB drive, and trying to run it as live mode, but after the menu shows, pick english, and tell it go to live, i get an "ata1: softreset failed (device not ready)" error, and the computer kind of hangs. It really makes disk activity for one second, then two seconds quiet, then again one second harddisk activity, th
[16:22] <partymola> en again stopped, and no more messages are shown. Can it debugged somehow? :/
[16:23] <partymola> i have tried booting with noacpi, and many other boot switches, but they didn't work either. By the way, 8.10 works perfect in this same laptop.
[16:25] <partymola> and I get the "ata1: softereset failed (device not ready)" error at boot, but doesn't seem to make any harm, since it actually boots and performs well.
[16:26] <partymola> I have also checked the md5sum of the downloaded iso, and it's ok.
[17:02] <hggdh> mvo, yes
[17:02] <hggdh> mvo, those that do not specify if packagekit is installed I am asking instead of dupping (but tagging as possible-dup)
[17:08] <jbarnes> heh, thought #ubuntu-qa was empty :)
[17:13] <mvo> hggdh: I suspect (pretty strongly) those are dups, but if you want to be sure, please ask
[17:22] <hggdh> mvo, so do I, but I will give them the benefit of doubt
[17:23] <mvo> :)
[17:23] <mvo> thanks hggdh
[18:07] <askand> Anyone here good at creating debdiffs?
[18:07] <bryce> morning
[18:08] <bryce> heya jbarnes
[18:10] <bryce> pedro_, bdmurray: has X.org bug day kicked off?  Seeing some activity on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20090402 :-)
[18:11] <jbarnes> bryce: hi, been looking at bugs this morning
[18:14] <bryce> jbarnes: cool.  let me know if there's changes we should snag, I've been pulling upstream patches for -intel the last several days
[18:17] <askand> I remember seeing a nice tool that helps you get the right format in the changelogfile? what was that?
[18:18] <bryce> jbarnes: I posted a 'Ten Most Wanted' list to the ubuntu-x mailing list (also sent to yingying):  https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-x/2009-April/000481.html
[18:29] <askand> Can I attach a debdiff to a bugreport even if I am not sure? I mean, it will not be automaticly used or something?
[18:29] <bryce> askand: correc
[18:29] <bryce> +t
[18:30] <james_w> askand: were you thinking of dch/debchangelog?
[18:30] <james_w> hey bryce
[18:31] <bryce> heya james_w
[18:31] <askand> james_w: yes :)
[18:32] <askand> How is bugs regarding "personal preference" so to speak solved? Who has the final saying?
[18:33] <greg-g> askand: example?
[18:34] <greg-g> if it is interface, GNOME has a Human Interface Guidelines document
[18:35] <askand> greg-g: For example, there is an ongoing discussion about removing gnome-pilot from default install, it is easily fixed/not fixed but who takes the decision on what is to be done?
[18:35] <hggdh> (online poll): should we change the dpkg message "dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a'" to "... run '*sudo dpkg --configure -a'"? A lot of beginners do not use 'sudo', since the message does not state it is needed
[18:36] <greg-g> askand: I don't know about that discussion.  In the end the team responsible for that part of ubuntu would probably agree on something (like the Desktop Experience people or Server Team, whoever is pertinent)
[18:36] <askand> hggdh:  Hm, on that issue I would vote to somehow work around that and fic that issue by clicking a button instead, if not I would vote yes
[18:37] <askand> greg-g: ok thanks
[18:37] <greg-g> hggdh: or the error message could say more about what "superuse privilege" is
[18:37] <james_w> hggdh: I thought that one had been changed?
[18:37] <greg-g> add an "r" up there
[18:38] <hggdh> james_w, I am not sure -- let me check on current Jaunty
[18:38] <hggdh> greg-g, "r" added ;-)
[18:38] <james_w> at least something like that was changed, so if that one is still the same then changing it would seem to be in line with the other changes
[18:39] <james_w> askand: that's the kind of thing that comes up on the mailing lists
[18:39] <james_w> askand: basically it comes down to convincing someone with the power to do it
[18:40] <askand>  james_w: ah, I send some candy to the man with the power :) However regarding the mailinglist, I can post to them without being a member but can I answer to a post without being a member?
[18:40] <james_w> yes
[18:40] <james_w> it will be moderated though
[18:40] <james_w> -devel-discuss is unmoderated
[18:41] <james_w> let me look up which this should be on
[18:41] <askand> james_w: I couldn't figure out how to do that last time
[18:41] <james_w> you can just reply to the list
[18:41] <james_w> if your client doesn't have that feature then reply-all will approximate it
[18:42] <james_w> trimming out all but the list will save you from having people complain to you about duplicates :-)
[18:42] <james_w> if you aren't subscribed you can request that people Cc you so that you can read the replies
[18:42] <askand> james_w: but if I'm just browsing the archives here https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2009-April/thread.html
[18:42] <james_w> ah
[18:42] <james_w> that's harder as they don't show the message ids
[18:42] <james_w> and some clients make it hard to reply to them anway
[18:43] <james_w> I think you can download mboxes and futz around with that
[18:43] <askand> james_w: I see, so I should sign up to the mailinglist, get the mails and then reply to them as a regular mail?
[18:44] <james_w> looks like that question is better suited to ubuntu-devel-discuss
[18:44] <james_w> that works, but only if you sign up before the mail you want to reply to
[18:45] <james_w> but you can request Ccs if it is a reply to you that you want to reply to
[18:45] <askand> james_w: Yes ubuntu-devel-discuss seems to be more correct :)
[18:56] <askand> james_w: done, thanks for helping
[18:56] <james_w> np
[18:59] <greg-g> haha, you asked your question in -devel at the perfect time, askand :)
[18:59] <askand> greg-g: I did?
[18:59] <greg-g> askand: do you know who sabdfl is?
[19:00] <askand> greg-g: nope
[19:00] <greg-g> sabdfl is Mark Shuttleworth
[19:00] <askand> haha then he actually has the final saying
[19:00] <askand> cool
[19:00] <greg-g> :)
[19:45] <hggdh> james_w, you seem to be correct -- I cannot find the "dpkg was interrupted..." message anywhere in synaptic, or dpkg (or even apt). So I guess this is a moot point now, at least on Jaunty
[19:48] <mvo> hggdh: dpkg was interrupted comes from libapt
[19:48] <mvo> apt-pkg/deb/debsystem.cc
[19:49] <hggdh> ah
[19:49] <hggdh> thanks, mvo
[19:57] <hggdh> and yes, it is already corrected, then. So... we can close a series of bugs on "dpkg was interrupted, etc, etc"
[20:41] <bittin`> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2009/20090402
[21:58]  * jbarnes marks 353049 as invalid
[21:58] <xq> greetings guys, is there a definitive bug with the usb boot version of jaunty beta? there are multiple bug reports for usb-creator and Unetbootin; however, the more I test it out it seems to be with the actual kernel in the Jaunty Beta build.
[21:59] <tormod> jbarnes: cool to see you here. I guess you have been bugged about bug 348428 already?
[21:59] <xq> 346700, 349786, 349974, 353274 (there are a few more...). Also "answer/question:" https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/66241
[21:59] <jbarnes> tormod: lemme check
[22:00] <jbarnes> tormod: oh I think I have that bug assigned to me upstream
[22:00] <jbarnes> will try to reproduce in a minute
[22:00] <xq> i'm just curious, because if so we should probably look into it and/or at least list it on the TechnicalOverview for users installing the beta build
[22:03] <jbarnes> tormod: ah fake bufmgr... yuck
[22:03] <tormod> jbarnes: if comment 50 is reliable, it should narrow things down
[22:04] <jbarnes> tormod: yeah what changed between those two
[22:04] <jbarnes> ?
[22:04] <tormod> Add 114_fix_xv_with_non_gem.patch, 115_fix_crash_xv_overlay.patch
[22:05] <tormod> hang on I'll get the git ids
[22:06] <tormod> fb6e00f40f713a87c760fc7603159ed11ea9b0d5 and 2026c57cf0a352d9e6f9d208cfb7d4d550614477
[22:07] <jbarnes> tormod: hm those seem harmless...
[22:10]  * bryce waves to mdz
[22:10] <tormod> jbarnes: actually that comment could have been about the XV crashes (although those commits should fix that) and not to this non-xv crash
[22:10] <jbarnes> tormod: seems like the fake_evict_all call in LeaveVT might make any subsequent unrefs fail though
[22:13] <tormod> it seems the first unref succeds (vs_state_bo) but sf_state_bo fails
[22:14] <tormod> or is the first one also double free but just not detected by glibc?
[22:14] <mdz> bryce: hi
[22:14] <jbarnes> possibly, but there were other frees before that too, like from batch_teardown
[22:16] <tormod> yes batch_teardown is run just after fake_evict_all
[22:19] <tormod> so would it help to move gen4_render_state_cleanup above the fake_evict_all ?
[22:19] <jbarnes> might be worth a try...  could just be a bug in the fake bufmgr though too
[22:21] <jbarnes> oh heh comment 49 might be correct :)
[22:21] <bryce> jbarnes: is there a way to detect if it's already been freed?
[22:22] <jbarnes> bryce: mainly the glibc free debugging :)
[22:35] <jbarnes> seems possible that the evict_all is to blame, since it will free blocks w/o nulling them
[22:35] <jbarnes> but it only frees stuff on the lru...
[22:40] <mdz> bryce: I marked the two new intel perf regression reports as duplicates of 252094
[22:41] <mdz> bryce: (339555, 353245, 342125)
[22:41] <mdz> bryce: if that was the wrong thing to do, let me know and I'll reverse it
[22:42] <gnorris> Hea i have a quick question
[22:43] <gnorris> how do i get the information of a bug
[22:43] <bryce> mdz: how about duping 353245, 342125 to 339555, as I think 339555 is a more tractable bug report than 252094
[22:44] <mdz> bryce: ok
[22:44] <MTecknology> There's a bug in vim, when you update, it wants to update a file in /etc that a user never changed, but the update process thinks that the user made a change. What makes this happen?
[22:44] <bryce> I'm encouraging people on 252094 to break out individual performance issues as they can be identified as discrete problems
[22:45] <mdz> bryce: done (whee, shiny ajax magic)
[22:45] <bryce> :-)
[22:45] <mdz> bryce: yeah, I didn't notice that until after I'd duped them, which is why I asked
[22:45] <gnorris> Can someone tell me how to i get informatoin for a bug. Is there like a database online or is it sent to me?
[22:45] <bryce> mdz unfortunately it has a bug that makes it hard to undupe (at least it did yesterday)
[22:46] <mdz> bryce: worked fine for me, just emptying the box
[22:47] <bryce> mdz: you might find this of interest - http://people.ubuntu.com/~bryce/totals-2009-Q1.svg
[22:47] <mdz> bryce: I saw that when you posted it to a list recently, interesting stuff
[22:48] <mdz> bryce: I feel like a different presentation might help show the trends better
[22:48] <mdz> bryce: animated pie chart? :-)
[22:49] <gnorris> Well, Got To Go
[22:50] <gnorris> Bye
[22:50] <bryce> mdz: wonder if SVG supports <blink>  ;-)
[23:01] <tormod> MTecknology: I have seen the same for a couple of other packages. file a bug on vim.
[23:01] <MTecknology> tormod: the bug exists, I'm trying to fix it
[23:02] <MTecknology> tormod: do you know how to fix that kind of thing?
[23:03] <tormod> MTecknology: no, but I guess it is about a missing or wrong checksum of the old shipped conf file
[23:05] <tormod> jbarnes: we have a recent UXA bug discussed in #ubuntu-x, not filed yet anywhere I think, came after 27th of March
[23:06] <jbarnes> tormod: what's the lp #?
[23:07] <tormod> jbarnes: it is not in Ubuntu, it's on master, see http://phoronix.com/forums/showpost.php?p=69074&postcount=132
[23:07] <jbarnes> tormod: ah looks like one of the PAT bugs
[23:08] <jbarnes> tormod: try booting with 'nopat'
[23:09] <tormod> jbarnes: let us continue that on #ubuntu-x since it's not in stock Ubuntu. I asked Ng to try.