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persiaWho's here for the Java Meeting?15:00
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bittin`https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2009/2009040220:41
ogramoo21:59
ograso why do i have https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/34850 assigned on the agenda ?21:59
ubottuLaunchpad bug 34850 in gnome-panel "some menus have icons but no text (dup-of: 29640)" [High,Fix released]21:59
ubottuLaunchpad bug 29640 in glib2.0 "Buggy menu with locale set to iso" [Medium,Fix released]21:59
NCommander#startmeeting21:59
MootBotMeeting started at 15:59. The chair is NCommander.21:59
MootBotCommands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]21:59
* davidm_ is wide awake.21:59
* ogra doesnt want to fix icons in dapper !21:59
StevenKThat are already fixed!22:00
ograas well !22:00
* ogra wonders what that was originally before emmet typoed it22:00
* NCommander tries to remember what comes first22:00
loolhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2009/2009040222:01
StevenKNCommander: [LINK] that22:01
lool[link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2009/2009040222:01
MootBotLINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2009/2009040222:01
NCommander[topic] persia to investigate #33814822:02
MootBotNew Topic:  persia to investigate #33814822:02
StevenKENOPERSIA :-(22:02
NCommanderThis and # persia to chase VFP for cairo, ffmpeg, gtk+2.0  c/o22:02
loolco22:02
ograco22:02
NCommander[topic] lool to spec ec2-package-builder for jaunty+122:02
MootBotNew Topic:  lool to spec ec2-package-builder for jaunty+122:02
loolI saw a couple of patches for VFP stuff from persia22:02
ograheh22:02
loolNo progress on EC2 stuff; I'll get to it as soon as I don't have anything "critical" on my plate22:03
NCommander[topic] ogra to trim selection-of-arm-images to a smaller scope22:03
MootBotNew Topic:  ogra to trim selection-of-arm-images to a smaller scope22:03
loolc/o22:03
ogra++22:03
NCommander[topic] ogra to register a new spec for a GUI to assist with kernel addition to arm images22:03
MootBotNew Topic:  ogra to register a new spec for a GUI to assist with kernel addition to arm images22:03
ograco22:03
NCommander[topic] ogra to rebuild gnome-keyring-daemon to troubleshoot 32816722:03
MootBotNew Topic:  ogra to rebuild gnome-keyring-daemon to troubleshoot 32816722:03
ogranext one too22:03
NCommander[topic] NCommander to report on libgcc-vfp benchmark results22:04
MootBotNew Topic:  NCommander to report on libgcc-vfp benchmark results22:04
lool34850 is cut22:04
loologra: What's the bug number for the workaround you had to document?22:04
* ogra wouldnt have guessed :)22:04
NCommanderReported. Not much of a speed increase, might have been measuring noise.22:04
NCommander[topic] Roadmap Review22:04
ogralool, i'm trying to find out since the meeting started22:04
MootBotNew Topic:  Roadmap Review22:04
loolNCommander: paus22:04
loolpause22:04
* NCommander pauses22:04
loolSo just to comment on the libgcc-vfp stuff: it was expected they wouldn't make a big difference because it's a software implementation in all cases, and doesn't use floats22:05
loolEven with relevant flags22:05
ograif my evo wouldnt take a century to generate a list ... sigh22:05
loolend of aparté on vfp22:05
loolLet's just wait to find out which bug that was for ogra22:05
ograBug 34850422:05
ubottuLaunchpad bug 348504 in linux "USB issues with linux-image-2.6.28-11-imx51 fill /var/log" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/34850422:05
ograthere we go22:05
NCommander[topic] ogra to report workaround for #34850422:06
MootBotNew Topic:  ogra to report workaround for #34850422:06
ografixed in todays linux package, fine from tomorrow on on the image22:06
lool34850422:06
loolArgh, too late22:06
ograworkaround not needed anymore22:06
NCommanderCool22:06
ograheh, evo is faster than lool22:06
NCommandercan I go onto Roadmap review?22:06
loolYes22:07
ograyup22:07
NCommander[topic] Spec: offline-installer22:07
MootBotNew Topic:  Spec: offline-installer22:07
ogranp22:07
ogra(no progress)22:07
NCommanderI'll skip mobile-setup-wizard, since ENOEMMET22:07
NCommander[topic] Spec: arm-library-optimization (lool)22:07
MootBotNew Topic:  Spec: arm-library-optimization (lool)22:07
loolThat's the vfp opts we covered on the items from last week already22:08
lool2 patches ready, but still not tested or pushed and 3 to go22:08
loolSo it's getting late here; but Emmet is on travel22:08
NCommander[topic]  general-resolution-for-touchscreen-handling (ogra)22:08
MootBotNew Topic:   general-resolution-for-touchscreen-handling (ogra)22:08
ogranp22:08
ograETOOMUCHARM22:09
ogras22:09
NCommander[topic] arm-softboot-loader (NCommander)22:09
MootBotNew Topic:  arm-softboot-loader (NCommander)22:09
NCommanderHad a few ideas, but ETOOMUCHARM :-)22:09
NCommanderWill hopefully draft something soon22:09
NCommander[topic] select-of-arm-images (ogra)22:09
MootBotNew Topic:  select-of-arm-images (ogra)22:09
* NCommander fails22:09
NCommander[topic] selection-of-arm-images (ogra)22:10
MootBotNew Topic:  selection-of-arm-images (ogra)22:10
ograwell, somewhat implemented through the babbage image22:10
ograno kernel-iso merge tool needed for that atm, beyond that my script surely can work as one22:10
NCommanderAre we just going to have a standard desktop, or are we also going to try for UNR/MID/alternate as well?22:10
ogranot this round22:10
ograbut i'd like to in KK22:10
loolWe don't have enough time for testing all these flavours for ARM22:11
NCommanderFair enough.22:11
NCommanderanything else?22:11
loolI think we want them, but we might have to drop others if we want to be able to complete testing of all images in short time22:11
NCommandercould we just release them unsupported?22:11
ograunr wouldnt work on framebuffer, would it ?22:11
loolWell it "would"22:11
ograNCommander, we can finish my script so people can roll them22:11
loolBut no it wouldn't22:12
NCommanderogra, awesome :-)22:12
ograits only missing tiny bits to roll an alternate22:12
NCommander[topic] lpia-verus-i38622:12
MootBotNew Topic:  lpia-verus-i38622:12
ograi just dont have time to care for that22:12
loolSo I have nothing new to report as usual, but I really need to file a ticket to prepare the wrapper before karmic opens22:13
GrueMasterI was thinking of testing i386 with lpia optimized kernel after Jaunty release.22:13
loolSo I really had to do something on this this week and didn't, and should jump on it real soon now22:13
NCommanderGrueMaster, there aren't that many changes from the lpia kernel to the i38622:13
ogralool, i'll take over the cdimage integration completely on monday i think22:14
NCommanderI did however get the lpia kernel at a point where we can get alternates going with them (hopefully)22:14
GrueMasterno, but there are enough.22:14
ograso you can care for the stuff you are behind on22:14
loolNCommander: cool22:14
loologra: Ok22:14
NCommanderENOPERSIA so I'll skip mobile-spec-cleanup22:14
NCommanderOnto the bugs22:14
NCommander[topic] bug #299847: libipc-sharelite-perl FTBFS on armel (NCommander)22:15
MootBotNew Topic:  bug #299847: libipc-sharelite-perl FTBFS on armel (NCommander)22:15
ubottuLaunchpad bug 299847 in linux "Shared memory operations on very fast ARM hardware suffer from non-atomic operations and race conditions." [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/29984722:15
bittin`is the meeting starting now?22:15
loolbittin`: we're in the middle of it22:15
NCommanderbittin`, which meeting?22:15
NCommandernp, I'm not going to touch this one again until I can reproduce it somewhere beside rimu because I suspect its a kernel issue with the Marvel kernel.22:15
NCommander^that we use on the buildds22:15
loolNCommander: We need a test case to file the kernel bug upstream22:16
bittin`lool: ah ok i tought it started 1mina go22:16
bittin`*1min22:16
loolOr just to blame the kernel22:16
NCommanderlool, I can't reproduce one22:16
NCommanderlool, I reimplemented the entire test suite in C, and can not reproduce22:16
StevenKbittin`: It was started 17 minutes ago22:16
ograjust blame infinity22:16
NCommanderSomething about the code passing through perl is causing it to explode22:16
loolAnyway, this is unmilestoned for jaunty, we don't need to track it too closely22:17
NCommanderShould we scratch it from the roadmap?22:17
loolI'm ok with that, but we really need to keep it in our TODO, and I don't know how much we'll care about it if we drop it :)22:17
NCommanderI'll leave it then22:18
loolUnless we switch buildds22:18
loolIn which case we wont care nearly as much22:18
ograadd a section for it :)22:18
ogra(on the roadmap)22:18
NCommander"Stuff we don't care about" :-)?22:18
ogra"stuff we dont want to lose"22:18
* lool adds himself to the section22:18
ogra(but totally dont care abouit :P)22:18
davidm_lool, new buildd hardware is very likely22:18
* NCommander adds himself22:19
NCommander[topic] bug #328167: gnome-keyring-daemon eats all CPU on ARM when starting a GNOME session22:19
MootBotNew Topic:  bug #328167: gnome-keyring-daemon eats all CPU on ARM when starting a GNOME session22:19
ubottuLaunchpad bug 328167 in gnome-keyring "[arm] gnome-keyring-daemon eating 100% CPU at login in Jaunty" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/32816722:19
ograno progress yet22:19
NCommander[topic] bug #280669: DMA mode and driver on jax10 (NCommander/lool)22:20
MootBotNew Topic:  bug #280669: DMA mode and driver on jax10 (NCommander/lool)22:20
ubottuLaunchpad bug 280669 in linux "DMA mode and driver jax10" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/28066922:20
NCommanderFinished testing on this one in a fit of frustation. No improvement with apw's kernel vs the lpia mainline. I think we can mark this one Invalid.22:20
NCommanderlool, any comments?22:21
loolNCommander: Ask apw whether there's anything you could check or whether we should drop it?22:21
NCommander[ACTION] NCommander to ask apw if we should kill #28066922:21
MootBotACTION received:  NCommander to ask apw if we should kill #28066922:21
NCommander[TOPIC] bug #338148: VNC4 FTBFS (persia)22:21
MootBotNew Topic:  bug #338148: VNC4 FTBFS (persia)22:21
ubottuLaunchpad bug 338148 in vnc4 "Needs new version from Debian: fails to build with removal of mesa-swx11-source" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/33814822:21
loolc/o22:22
NCommanderIf this is still a high priority thing vs. other things on the ARM todo, I'd like to cooridinate with persia on it22:22
lool(persia isn't here)22:22
loolSure, feel free22:22
NCommanderRight, I just wanted to make that comment :-)22:22
* ogra still doesnt get why thats on mobile todo22:22
NCommander[topic] bug #348504: USB issues with linux-image-2.6.28-11-imx51 fill /var/log22:22
ubottuLaunchpad bug 348504 in linux "USB issues with linux-image-2.6.28-11-imx51 fill /var/log" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/34850422:22
MootBotNew Topic:  bug #348504: USB issues with linux-image-2.6.28-11-imx51 fill /var/log22:22
loologra: armel porting22:22
ograreleased22:22
ogradrop22:22
NCommandercool22:22
ogralool, totally unrelated to armel22:22
NCommander[topic] bug #348660: ubiquity crashes in bootloader install on imx5122:22
MootBotNew Topic:  bug #348660: ubiquity crashes in bootloader install on imx5122:22
ubottuLaunchpad bug 348660 in ubiquity "ubiquity unsets ubiquity/install_bootloader=false at some point during installation" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/34866022:22
ografixed, drop22:23
NCommander[topic] bug:#347350: oem-config-firstboot does not fit in 1024x60022:23
MootBotNew Topic:  bug:#347350: oem-config-firstboot does not fit in 1024x60022:23
ograthere were other bugs that would deserve the first part of the title22:23
loologra: There are binaries for other arches and on armel it's uninstallable22:23
ograbut cjwatson did an awesome job and next ubiquity upload should fix all of them22:23
NCommanderbug #34735022:24
ubottuLaunchpad bug 347350 in oem-config "oem-config-firstboot does not fit in 1024x600" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/34735022:24
NCommander...22:24
NCommanderthere it is22:24
NCommanderCan I scratch this one to?22:24
NCommander*too22:24
ograthat was davidm_'s pet bug22:24
looldropped22:24
ograask him22:24
looldavidm_: ^22:24
davidm_scratch22:25
NCommanderyay!22:25
NCommander[topic] #344449: Installer puts up confusing message about partitions in use22:25
MootBotNew Topic:  #344449: Installer puts up confusing message about partitions in use22:25
ograbug #34444922:25
NCommanderthanks ogasawara22:25
ubottuLaunchpad bug 344449 in netbook-remix "Installer puts up confusing message about partitions in use (dup-of: 346589)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/34444922:25
NCommander... ogra22:25
ubottuLaunchpad bug 346589 in ubiquity "[Jaunty] Misleading information when installing with mounted partitions" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/34658922:25
NCommanderWhy'd it return two bugs?22:25
ogradupe22:26
ografix released, drop it22:26
looldropped already22:26
NCommanderlool, I'm editing the page, so I'll drop it once I'm done22:26
NCommander[topic] bug #319825: acer_wmi in Jaunty on Aspire One exposes non-functional (always disabled) rfkill devic22:26
MootBotNew Topic:  bug #319825: acer_wmi in Jaunty on Aspire One exposes non-functional (always disabled) rfkill devic22:26
ubottuLaunchpad bug 319825 in linux "acer_wmi in Jaunty on Aspire One exposes non-functional (always disabled) rfkill device" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/31982522:26
loolAll last bugs dropped22:27
loolfix released22:27
GrueMasterWill retest once new kernel is in the image.22:27
loolNCommander: I dropped them all from the page already22:27
NCommanderCool22:27
NCommanderlool, I was editing the page to split it into high and low priority, and then removing the ones we fixed22:27
NCommander[topic] Babbage enablement (ogra)22:27
MootBotNew Topic:  Babbage enablement (ogra)22:27
loolwifi needs testing22:27
ograworked a lot on the installability22:27
ogradaily images will show up on http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/arm/babbage/ until the cdimage integration is fully there22:28
lool"Avoid standard USB prefer micro USB" recommended by FSL22:28
ograwifi will be enabled in tomorrows image so please test if you have the HW22:28
ograinstaller bits should show up around saturday22:28
ogralatest on monday, from then on it should be fully installable22:29
ograredboot MIRs all approved, all packages in main now22:29
ograthats about it ...22:29
NCommanderDid FSL's ethernet patches get uploaded?22:29
ograyes22:30
NCommanderCool22:30
NCommander[topic] ARM Benchmarking (NCommander)22:30
MootBotNew Topic:  ARM Benchmarking (NCommander)22:30
ograthe kernel should be relativcely stable now22:30
NCommanderAlready reported, nothing new on this topic (not excepting anything new either)22:30
NCommander[topic] lool's status22:30
MootBotNew Topic:  lool's status22:30
ograexhausted ?22:31
NCommanderogra, no, that's a general team status bit we just have set :-)22:31
ogradead already ?22:31
loologra: :)22:31
loolBah too many urgent things at once in the last 2 weeks22:31
ogra++22:31
davidm_NCommander, make sure you refresh the https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2009/20090402 page22:31
loolBut it's ok now, getting the hold of it again, lots of stuff to do still22:31
NCommanderlool, +122:31
NCommanderdavidm_, MootBot sends me the notes as I make them, I'll update that as soon as we finish the meeting22:32
ograwe can all fall over in three weeks22:32
NCommanderogra, do we have a bug open in advance for that? :-)22:32
davidm_NCommander, cool22:32
NCommanderThat it lool ?22:32
loolYeah, do we really have per people status?22:32
loolI don't think we've had that in the past weeks did we?22:33
ograi thoght we dropped that on purpose22:33
NCommanderWe've done it in previous weeks22:33
NCommanderOh, we did?22:33
loolLike 2 months ago22:33
davidm_Not really we dropped that22:33
ograyes22:33
ograwhen we invented the roadmap22:33
NCommanderShows how awake I'm at the normal meeting time.22:33
NCommanders/normal/old/g22:33
davidm_There are still some opens on the page however22:33
ograyeah22:33
davidm_thus the refresh the page22:33
NCommanderOh22:33
NCommanderright22:33
davidm_reload, what ever22:34
NCommander[topic] cat makes MID explode (StevenK/GrueMaster)22:34
MootBotNew Topic:  cat makes MID explode (StevenK/GrueMaster)22:34
ograPAPERWORK threatening !!!22:34
ograheh, NCommander skipped it deliberately :)22:34
GrueMasterno progress this week, as I've been focusing on unr/babbage/beta22:34
NCommanderogra, yes I did :-), that one can come before we close22:34
StevenKThis needs a bug, but I'm uncertain which package to assign it against22:34
davidm_StevenK, ubuntu?22:35
ograStevenK, dog :)22:35
GrueMasterWill resume next week.  Aso, I have been able to reliably get it to fail by clicking on the battery indicator.22:35
loolhildon-desktop22:35
StevenKUbuntu is a project, not a package22:35
loolI'm pretty sure it's the one dying22:35
davidm_lool true22:35
NCommanderStevenK, you can still place bugs against it without putting it against a package22:35
StevenKNCommander: Sure, I just hate doing that, since they're liable to get lost22:36
NCommanderStevenK, thats why we have the roadmap22:36
bittin`yepp u can22:36
GrueMasterI did look and there is a newer version of Hildon-desktop on maemo.org.  Not sure if it is released yet.  Will need to look at the change logs.22:36
StevenKIt's far too late for that sort of change22:36
NCommanderStevenK, we can see if it was fixed and backport the change if needbe22:36
GrueMasterunderstand, but maybe backporting a patch?22:36
StevenKOh, absolutely22:37
StevenKhildon-desktop tends to resist that, given my experience with it22:37
ograprobably they learned ...22:37
GrueMasterI'll dive into it next week, though.22:37
ograyou never know22:37
NCommanderStevenK, maybe we can get lucky and its a small patch we can fish out of the git repo22:37
StevenKAnyway, I'll file a bug today22:38
NCommander[topic] Specifications for Karmic (davidm)22:38
MootBotNew Topic:  Specifications for Karmic (davidm)22:38
* ogra hides22:38
* StevenK hides with ogra 22:38
* NCommander vanishes22:38
davidm_It's that time again, UDS is around the corner22:38
ogrado we know whats ahead wrt ARM ?22:38
GrueMasterStevenK  I think I already saw a bug.  I'll do a search after the meeting.22:39
ograapart from "make babbage shinier"22:39
davidm_And we are trying to have the schedule done much earlier so start thinking about spec's to be filed so I can start scheduling22:39
StevenKGrueMaster: Oh, excellent.22:39
NCommanderI think we need to get arm-softbootloader there22:39
davidm_ogra, Babbage continues, UNR images will happen22:39
NCommanderGiven our experience with Babbage I think we're going to need it once we add more SoCs22:39
NCommanderif only for a sanity reason.22:40
* StevenK adds a spec for that22:40
ogradavidm_, not without X drivers22:40
davidm_so all arm and unr stuff need to get added next week and the week after if at all possible22:40
NCommanderStevenK, we have one from Jaunty.22:40
davidm_ogra, yea I know22:40
StevenKNCommander: Not UNR on ARM, we don't22:40
davidm_but if we have images ready it's easier to push for the drivers.22:40
ograStevenK, read what davidm_ wrote :)22:40
ograwe will22:41
StevenKI just think we should get a spec registered so we can have a session about it22:41
loolWell we need at least one supported platform with 3D22:41
NCommanderdavidm_, I just submitted arm-softboot-loader22:41
davidm_Anyway we don't need a long conversation now, it's just a heads up that spec's are going to be needed (at least for scheduling purposes) they can be fully fleshed out later.22:41
ograas usual22:41
davidm_Yep22:41
davidm_thanks for my 20 seconds in the sunlight ;-P22:42
loolAnything else?22:42
davidm_Not from me22:42
* davidm_ runs away and hides22:42
NCommander[topic] Any Open Business22:43
MootBotNew Topic:  Any Open Business22:43
ogradoesnt look like22:43
NCommanderhttps://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/shadow/+bug/34950422:43
ubottuLaunchpad bug 349504 in shadow "if system date is set to 01-01-1970 users are enforced to update their password" [High,In progress]22:43
NCommanderWe have a possible fix for it22:43
ograunless persia secretly showed up22:43
NCommanderSO that should hopefully be closed within the next 24 hours22:44
NCommanderI think thats the only major bug we are currently tracking thats not on the roadmap22:44
=== davidm_ is now known as davidm
ograjust make cjwatson look at it if he finds the time, i think your fix is good so far (changing 0 to 1 if the clock is 01-01-1970)22:45
* davidm thinks the person trying to use my nick should cut that out.22:45
NCommanderogra, that isn't the fick :-P22:45
* ogra just saw him flaying out of #beagle :)22:45
NCommanderdavidm, protect it with nickserv22:45
StevenKIf you're registered with nickserv, you can ghost them22:46
davidmNCommander, it is, that is how I get it back everytime22:46
NCommanderdavidm, then enable password protection so they get kicked out within 30 seconds22:46
* NCommander has it so if anyone tries to use any of my three nicks, you get booted within 30 seconds :-)22:46
StevenKI think Freenode disables killing22:46
davidmNCommander, that you can tell be about off line22:46
NCommanderStevenK, its a forced rename22:46
NCommanderdavidm, cool22:46
NCommanderOk22:46
NCommanderso going 122:46
NCommandertwice22:46
lool'night22:46
NCommanderthrice22:46
StevenKSOL!22:46
ogranight !22:47
StevenKEr, SOLD!22:47
davidmlool, night22:47
NCommanderThat's it folks22:47
NCommander#endmeeting22:47
MootBotMeeting finished at 16:47.22:47
* ogra falls over and starts snoring22:47
davidmWoot, finished early22:47
davidmnight ogra22:47
* NCommander grabs ogra's feet and drags him back to #ubuntu-mobile22:47
bittin`by :p22:47
bittin`bye :)22:47
ograNCommander, dare you22:47
ograciao bittin`22:47

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