[12:55] <hoover> hhi
[14:58]  * persia peers about
[15:00] <persia> Who's here for the Java Meeting?
[15:16] <persia> OK.  Nobody here :)  Meeting adjourned.
[20:41] <bittin`> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2009/20090402
[21:59] <ogra> moo
[21:59] <ogra> so why do i have https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/34850 assigned on the agenda ?
[21:59] <NCommander> #startmeeting
[21:59] <MootBot> Meeting started at 15:59. The chair is NCommander.
[21:59] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[21:59]  * davidm_ is wide awake.
[21:59]  * ogra doesnt want to fix icons in dapper !
[22:00] <StevenK> That are already fixed!
[22:00] <ogra> as well !
[22:00]  * ogra wonders what that was originally before emmet typoed it
[22:00]  * NCommander tries to remember what comes first
[22:01] <lool> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2009/20090402
[22:01] <StevenK> NCommander: [LINK] that
[22:01] <lool> [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2009/20090402
[22:01] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2009/20090402
[22:02] <NCommander> [topic] persia to investigate #338148
[22:02] <MootBot> New Topic:  persia to investigate #338148
[22:02] <StevenK> ENOPERSIA :-(
[22:02] <NCommander> This and # persia to chase VFP for cairo, ffmpeg, gtk+2.0  c/o
[22:02] <lool> co
[22:02] <ogra> co
[22:02] <NCommander> [topic] lool to spec ec2-package-builder for jaunty+1
[22:02] <MootBot> New Topic:  lool to spec ec2-package-builder for jaunty+1
[22:02] <lool> I saw a couple of patches for VFP stuff from persia
[22:02] <ogra> heh
[22:03] <lool> No progress on EC2 stuff; I'll get to it as soon as I don't have anything "critical" on my plate
[22:03] <NCommander> [topic] ogra to trim selection-of-arm-images to a smaller scope
[22:03] <MootBot> New Topic:  ogra to trim selection-of-arm-images to a smaller scope
[22:03] <lool> c/o
[22:03] <ogra> ++
[22:03] <NCommander> [topic] ogra to register a new spec for a GUI to assist with kernel addition to arm images
[22:03] <MootBot> New Topic:  ogra to register a new spec for a GUI to assist with kernel addition to arm images
[22:03] <ogra> co
[22:03] <NCommander> [topic] ogra to rebuild gnome-keyring-daemon to troubleshoot 328167
[22:03] <MootBot> New Topic:  ogra to rebuild gnome-keyring-daemon to troubleshoot 328167
[22:03] <ogra> next one too
[22:04] <NCommander> [topic] NCommander to report on libgcc-vfp benchmark results
[22:04] <MootBot> New Topic:  NCommander to report on libgcc-vfp benchmark results
[22:04] <lool> 34850 is cut
[22:04] <lool> ogra: What's the bug number for the workaround you had to document?
[22:04]  * ogra wouldnt have guessed :)
[22:04] <NCommander> Reported. Not much of a speed increase, might have been measuring noise.
[22:04] <NCommander> [topic] Roadmap Review
[22:04] <ogra> lool, i'm trying to find out since the meeting started
[22:04] <MootBot> New Topic:  Roadmap Review
[22:04] <lool> NCommander: paus
[22:04] <lool> pause
[22:04]  * NCommander pauses
[22:05] <lool> So just to comment on the libgcc-vfp stuff: it was expected they wouldn't make a big difference because it's a software implementation in all cases, and doesn't use floats
[22:05] <lool> Even with relevant flags
[22:05] <ogra> if my evo wouldnt take a century to generate a list ... sigh
[22:05] <lool> end of aparté on vfp
[22:05] <lool> Let's just wait to find out which bug that was for ogra
[22:05] <ogra> Bug 348504
[22:05] <ogra> there we go
[22:06] <NCommander> [topic] ogra to report workaround for #348504
[22:06] <MootBot> New Topic:  ogra to report workaround for #348504
[22:06] <ogra> fixed in todays linux package, fine from tomorrow on on the image
[22:06] <lool> 348504
[22:06] <lool> Argh, too late
[22:06] <ogra> workaround not needed anymore
[22:06] <NCommander> Cool
[22:06] <ogra> heh, evo is faster than lool
[22:06] <NCommander> can I go onto Roadmap review?
[22:07] <lool> Yes
[22:07] <ogra> yup
[22:07] <NCommander> [topic] Spec: offline-installer
[22:07] <MootBot> New Topic:  Spec: offline-installer
[22:07] <ogra> np
[22:07] <ogra> (no progress)
[22:07] <NCommander> I'll skip mobile-setup-wizard, since ENOEMMET
[22:07] <NCommander> [topic] Spec: arm-library-optimization (lool)
[22:07] <MootBot> New Topic:  Spec: arm-library-optimization (lool)
[22:08] <lool> That's the vfp opts we covered on the items from last week already
[22:08] <lool> 2 patches ready, but still not tested or pushed and 3 to go
[22:08] <lool> So it's getting late here; but Emmet is on travel
[22:08] <NCommander> [topic]  general-resolution-for-touchscreen-handling (ogra)
[22:08] <MootBot> New Topic:   general-resolution-for-touchscreen-handling (ogra)
[22:08] <ogra> np
[22:09] <ogra> ETOOMUCHARM
[22:09] <ogra> s
[22:09] <NCommander> [topic] arm-softboot-loader (NCommander)
[22:09] <MootBot> New Topic:  arm-softboot-loader (NCommander)
[22:09] <NCommander> Had a few ideas, but ETOOMUCHARM :-)
[22:09] <NCommander> Will hopefully draft something soon
[22:09] <NCommander> [topic] select-of-arm-images (ogra)
[22:09] <MootBot> New Topic:  select-of-arm-images (ogra)
[22:09]  * NCommander fails
[22:10] <NCommander> [topic] selection-of-arm-images (ogra)
[22:10] <MootBot> New Topic:  selection-of-arm-images (ogra)
[22:10] <ogra> well, somewhat implemented through the babbage image
[22:10] <ogra> no kernel-iso merge tool needed for that atm, beyond that my script surely can work as one
[22:10] <NCommander> Are we just going to have a standard desktop, or are we also going to try for UNR/MID/alternate as well?
[22:10] <ogra> not this round
[22:10] <ogra> but i'd like to in KK
[22:11] <lool> We don't have enough time for testing all these flavours for ARM
[22:11] <NCommander> Fair enough.
[22:11] <NCommander> anything else?
[22:11] <lool> I think we want them, but we might have to drop others if we want to be able to complete testing of all images in short time
[22:11] <NCommander> could we just release them unsupported?
[22:11] <ogra> unr wouldnt work on framebuffer, would it ?
[22:11] <lool> Well it "would"
[22:11] <ogra> NCommander, we can finish my script so people can roll them
[22:12] <lool> But no it wouldn't
[22:12] <NCommander> ogra, awesome :-)
[22:12] <ogra> its only missing tiny bits to roll an alternate
[22:12] <NCommander> [topic] lpia-verus-i386
[22:12] <MootBot> New Topic:  lpia-verus-i386
[22:12] <ogra> i just dont have time to care for that
[22:13] <lool> So I have nothing new to report as usual, but I really need to file a ticket to prepare the wrapper before karmic opens
[22:13] <GrueMaster> I was thinking of testing i386 with lpia optimized kernel after Jaunty release.
[22:13] <lool> So I really had to do something on this this week and didn't, and should jump on it real soon now
[22:13] <NCommander> GrueMaster, there aren't that many changes from the lpia kernel to the i386
[22:14] <ogra> lool, i'll take over the cdimage integration completely on monday i think
[22:14] <NCommander> I did however get the lpia kernel at a point where we can get alternates going with them (hopefully)
[22:14] <GrueMaster> no, but there are enough.
[22:14] <ogra> so you can care for the stuff you are behind on
[22:14] <lool> NCommander: cool
[22:14] <lool> ogra: Ok
[22:14] <NCommander> ENOPERSIA so I'll skip mobile-spec-cleanup
[22:14] <NCommander> Onto the bugs
[22:15] <NCommander> [topic] bug #299847: libipc-sharelite-perl FTBFS on armel (NCommander)
[22:15] <MootBot> New Topic:  bug #299847: libipc-sharelite-perl FTBFS on armel (NCommander)
[22:15] <bittin`> is the meeting starting now?
[22:15] <lool> bittin`: we're in the middle of it
[22:15] <NCommander> bittin`, which meeting?
[22:15] <NCommander> np, I'm not going to touch this one again until I can reproduce it somewhere beside rimu because I suspect its a kernel issue with the Marvel kernel.
[22:15] <NCommander> ^that we use on the buildds
[22:16] <lool> NCommander: We need a test case to file the kernel bug upstream
[22:16] <bittin`> lool: ah ok i tought it started 1mina go
[22:16] <bittin`> *1min
[22:16] <lool> Or just to blame the kernel
[22:16] <NCommander> lool, I can't reproduce one
[22:16] <NCommander> lool, I reimplemented the entire test suite in C, and can not reproduce
[22:16] <StevenK> bittin`: It was started 17 minutes ago
[22:16] <ogra> just blame infinity
[22:16] <NCommander> Something about the code passing through perl is causing it to explode
[22:17] <lool> Anyway, this is unmilestoned for jaunty, we don't need to track it too closely
[22:17] <NCommander> Should we scratch it from the roadmap?
[22:17] <lool> I'm ok with that, but we really need to keep it in our TODO, and I don't know how much we'll care about it if we drop it :)
[22:18] <NCommander> I'll leave it then
[22:18] <lool> Unless we switch buildds
[22:18] <lool> In which case we wont care nearly as much
[22:18] <ogra> add a section for it :)
[22:18] <ogra> (on the roadmap)
[22:18] <NCommander> "Stuff we don't care about" :-)?
[22:18] <ogra> "stuff we dont want to lose"
[22:18]  * lool adds himself to the section
[22:18] <ogra> (but totally dont care abouit :P)
[22:18] <davidm_> lool, new buildd hardware is very likely
[22:19]  * NCommander adds himself
[22:19] <NCommander> [topic] bug #328167: gnome-keyring-daemon eats all CPU on ARM when starting a GNOME session
[22:19] <MootBot> New Topic:  bug #328167: gnome-keyring-daemon eats all CPU on ARM when starting a GNOME session
[22:19] <ogra> no progress yet
[22:20] <NCommander> [topic] bug #280669: DMA mode and driver on jax10 (NCommander/lool)
[22:20] <MootBot> New Topic:  bug #280669: DMA mode and driver on jax10 (NCommander/lool)
[22:20] <NCommander> Finished testing on this one in a fit of frustation. No improvement with apw's kernel vs the lpia mainline. I think we can mark this one Invalid.
[22:21] <NCommander> lool, any comments?
[22:21] <lool> NCommander: Ask apw whether there's anything you could check or whether we should drop it?
[22:21] <NCommander> [ACTION] NCommander to ask apw if we should kill #280669
[22:21] <MootBot> ACTION received:  NCommander to ask apw if we should kill #280669
[22:21] <NCommander> [TOPIC] bug #338148: VNC4 FTBFS (persia)
[22:21] <MootBot> New Topic:  bug #338148: VNC4 FTBFS (persia)
[22:22] <lool> c/o
[22:22] <NCommander> If this is still a high priority thing vs. other things on the ARM todo, I'd like to cooridinate with persia on it
[22:22] <lool> (persia isn't here)
[22:22] <lool> Sure, feel free
[22:22] <NCommander> Right, I just wanted to make that comment :-)
[22:22]  * ogra still doesnt get why thats on mobile todo
[22:22] <NCommander> [topic] bug #348504: USB issues with linux-image-2.6.28-11-imx51 fill /var/log
[22:22] <MootBot> New Topic:  bug #348504: USB issues with linux-image-2.6.28-11-imx51 fill /var/log
[22:22] <lool> ogra: armel porting
[22:22] <ogra> released
[22:22] <ogra> drop
[22:22] <NCommander> cool
[22:22] <ogra> lool, totally unrelated to armel
[22:22] <NCommander> [topic] bug #348660: ubiquity crashes in bootloader install on imx51
[22:22] <MootBot> New Topic:  bug #348660: ubiquity crashes in bootloader install on imx51
[22:23] <ogra> fixed, drop
[22:23] <NCommander> [topic] bug:#347350: oem-config-firstboot does not fit in 1024x600
[22:23] <MootBot> New Topic:  bug:#347350: oem-config-firstboot does not fit in 1024x600
[22:23] <ogra> there were other bugs that would deserve the first part of the title
[22:23] <lool> ogra: There are binaries for other arches and on armel it's uninstallable
[22:23] <ogra> but cjwatson did an awesome job and next ubiquity upload should fix all of them
[22:24] <NCommander> bug #347350
[22:24] <NCommander> ...
[22:24] <NCommander> there it is
[22:24] <NCommander> Can I scratch this one to?
[22:24] <NCommander> *too
[22:24] <ogra> that was davidm_'s pet bug
[22:24] <lool> dropped
[22:24] <ogra> ask him
[22:24] <lool> davidm_: ^
[22:25] <davidm_> scratch
[22:25] <NCommander> yay!
[22:25] <NCommander> [topic] #344449: Installer puts up confusing message about partitions in use
[22:25] <MootBot> New Topic:  #344449: Installer puts up confusing message about partitions in use
[22:25] <ogra> bug #344449
[22:25] <NCommander> thanks ogasawara
[22:25] <NCommander> ... ogra
[22:25] <NCommander> Why'd it return two bugs?
[22:26] <ogra> dupe
[22:26] <ogra> fix released, drop it
[22:26] <lool> dropped already
[22:26] <NCommander> lool, I'm editing the page, so I'll drop it once I'm done
[22:26] <NCommander> [topic] bug #319825: acer_wmi in Jaunty on Aspire One exposes non-functional (always disabled) rfkill devic
[22:26] <MootBot> New Topic:  bug #319825: acer_wmi in Jaunty on Aspire One exposes non-functional (always disabled) rfkill devic
[22:27] <lool> All last bugs dropped
[22:27] <lool> fix released
[22:27] <GrueMaster> Will retest once new kernel is in the image.
[22:27] <lool> NCommander: I dropped them all from the page already
[22:27] <NCommander> Cool
[22:27] <NCommander> lool, I was editing the page to split it into high and low priority, and then removing the ones we fixed
[22:27] <NCommander> [topic] Babbage enablement (ogra)
[22:27] <MootBot> New Topic:  Babbage enablement (ogra)
[22:27] <lool> wifi needs testing
[22:27] <ogra> worked a lot on the installability
[22:28] <ogra> daily images will show up on http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/arm/babbage/ until the cdimage integration is fully there
[22:28] <lool> "Avoid standard USB prefer micro USB" recommended by FSL
[22:28] <ogra> wifi will be enabled in tomorrows image so please test if you have the HW
[22:28] <ogra> installer bits should show up around saturday
[22:29] <ogra> latest on monday, from then on it should be fully installable
[22:29] <ogra> redboot MIRs all approved, all packages in main now
[22:29] <ogra> thats about it ...
[22:29] <NCommander> Did FSL's ethernet patches get uploaded?
[22:30] <ogra> yes
[22:30] <NCommander> Cool
[22:30] <NCommander> [topic] ARM Benchmarking (NCommander)
[22:30] <MootBot> New Topic:  ARM Benchmarking (NCommander)
[22:30] <ogra> the kernel should be relativcely stable now
[22:30] <NCommander> Already reported, nothing new on this topic (not excepting anything new either)
[22:30] <NCommander> [topic] lool's status
[22:30] <MootBot> New Topic:  lool's status
[22:31] <ogra> exhausted ?
[22:31] <NCommander> ogra, no, that's a general team status bit we just have set :-)
[22:31] <ogra> dead already ?
[22:31] <lool> ogra: :)
[22:31] <lool> Bah too many urgent things at once in the last 2 weeks
[22:31] <ogra> ++
[22:31] <davidm_> NCommander, make sure you refresh the https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2009/20090402 page
[22:31] <lool> But it's ok now, getting the hold of it again, lots of stuff to do still
[22:31] <NCommander> lool, +1
[22:32] <NCommander> davidm_, MootBot sends me the notes as I make them, I'll update that as soon as we finish the meeting
[22:32] <ogra> we can all fall over in three weeks
[22:32] <NCommander> ogra, do we have a bug open in advance for that? :-)
[22:32] <davidm_> NCommander, cool
[22:32] <NCommander> That it lool ?
[22:32] <lool> Yeah, do we really have per people status?
[22:33] <lool> I don't think we've had that in the past weeks did we?
[22:33] <ogra> i thoght we dropped that on purpose
[22:33] <NCommander> We've done it in previous weeks
[22:33] <NCommander> Oh, we did?
[22:33] <lool> Like 2 months ago
[22:33] <davidm_> Not really we dropped that
[22:33] <ogra> yes
[22:33] <ogra> when we invented the roadmap
[22:33] <NCommander> Shows how awake I'm at the normal meeting time.
[22:33] <NCommander> s/normal/old/g
[22:33] <davidm_> There are still some opens on the page however
[22:33] <ogra> yeah
[22:33] <davidm_> thus the refresh the page
[22:33] <NCommander> Oh
[22:33] <NCommander> right
[22:34] <davidm_> reload, what ever
[22:34] <NCommander> [topic] cat makes MID explode (StevenK/GrueMaster)
[22:34] <MootBot> New Topic:  cat makes MID explode (StevenK/GrueMaster)
[22:34] <ogra> PAPERWORK threatening !!!
[22:34] <ogra> heh, NCommander skipped it deliberately :)
[22:34] <GrueMaster> no progress this week, as I've been focusing on unr/babbage/beta
[22:34] <NCommander> ogra, yes I did :-), that one can come before we close
[22:34] <StevenK> This needs a bug, but I'm uncertain which package to assign it against
[22:35] <davidm_> StevenK, ubuntu?
[22:35] <ogra> StevenK, dog :)
[22:35] <GrueMaster> Will resume next week.  Aso, I have been able to reliably get it to fail by clicking on the battery indicator.
[22:35] <lool> hildon-desktop
[22:35] <StevenK> Ubuntu is a project, not a package
[22:35] <lool> I'm pretty sure it's the one dying
[22:35] <davidm_> lool true
[22:35] <NCommander> StevenK, you can still place bugs against it without putting it against a package
[22:36] <StevenK> NCommander: Sure, I just hate doing that, since they're liable to get lost
[22:36] <NCommander> StevenK, thats why we have the roadmap
[22:36] <bittin`> yepp u can
[22:36] <GrueMaster> I did look and there is a newer version of Hildon-desktop on maemo.org.  Not sure if it is released yet.  Will need to look at the change logs.
[22:36] <StevenK> It's far too late for that sort of change
[22:36] <NCommander> StevenK, we can see if it was fixed and backport the change if needbe
[22:36] <GrueMaster> understand, but maybe backporting a patch?
[22:37] <StevenK> Oh, absolutely
[22:37] <StevenK> hildon-desktop tends to resist that, given my experience with it
[22:37] <ogra> probably they learned ...
[22:37] <GrueMaster> I'll dive into it next week, though.
[22:37] <ogra> you never know
[22:37] <NCommander> StevenK, maybe we can get lucky and its a small patch we can fish out of the git repo
[22:38] <StevenK> Anyway, I'll file a bug today
[22:38] <NCommander> [topic] Specifications for Karmic (davidm)
[22:38] <MootBot> New Topic:  Specifications for Karmic (davidm)
[22:38]  * ogra hides
[22:38]  * StevenK hides with ogra 
[22:38]  * NCommander vanishes
[22:38] <davidm_> It's that time again, UDS is around the corner
[22:38] <ogra> do we know whats ahead wrt ARM ?
[22:39] <GrueMaster> StevenK  I think I already saw a bug.  I'll do a search after the meeting.
[22:39] <ogra> apart from "make babbage shinier"
[22:39] <davidm_> And we are trying to have the schedule done much earlier so start thinking about spec's to be filed so I can start scheduling
[22:39] <StevenK> GrueMaster: Oh, excellent.
[22:39] <NCommander> I think we need to get arm-softbootloader there
[22:39] <davidm_> ogra, Babbage continues, UNR images will happen
[22:39] <NCommander> Given our experience with Babbage I think we're going to need it once we add more SoCs
[22:40] <NCommander> if only for a sanity reason.
[22:40]  * StevenK adds a spec for that
[22:40] <ogra> davidm_, not without X drivers
[22:40] <davidm_> so all arm and unr stuff need to get added next week and the week after if at all possible
[22:40] <NCommander> StevenK, we have one from Jaunty.
[22:40] <davidm_> ogra, yea I know
[22:40] <StevenK> NCommander: Not UNR on ARM, we don't
[22:40] <davidm_> but if we have images ready it's easier to push for the drivers.
[22:40] <ogra> StevenK, read what davidm_ wrote :)
[22:41] <ogra> we will
[22:41] <StevenK> I just think we should get a spec registered so we can have a session about it
[22:41] <lool> Well we need at least one supported platform with 3D
[22:41] <NCommander> davidm_, I just submitted arm-softboot-loader
[22:41] <davidm_> Anyway we don't need a long conversation now, it's just a heads up that spec's are going to be needed (at least for scheduling purposes) they can be fully fleshed out later.
[22:41] <ogra> as usual
[22:41] <davidm_> Yep
[22:42] <davidm_> thanks for my 20 seconds in the sunlight ;-P
[22:42] <lool> Anything else?
[22:42] <davidm_> Not from me
[22:42]  * davidm_ runs away and hides
[22:43] <NCommander> [topic] Any Open Business
[22:43] <MootBot> New Topic:  Any Open Business
[22:43] <ogra> doesnt look like
[22:43] <NCommander> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/shadow/+bug/349504
[22:43] <NCommander> We have a possible fix for it
[22:43] <ogra> unless persia secretly showed up
[22:44] <NCommander> SO that should hopefully be closed within the next 24 hours
[22:44] <NCommander> I think thats the only major bug we are currently tracking thats not on the roadmap
[22:45] <ogra> just make cjwatson look at it if he finds the time, i think your fix is good so far (changing 0 to 1 if the clock is 01-01-1970)
[22:45]  * davidm thinks the person trying to use my nick should cut that out.
[22:45] <NCommander> ogra, that isn't the fick :-P
[22:45]  * ogra just saw him flaying out of #beagle :)
[22:45] <NCommander> davidm, protect it with nickserv
[22:46] <StevenK> If you're registered with nickserv, you can ghost them
[22:46] <davidm> NCommander, it is, that is how I get it back everytime
[22:46] <NCommander> davidm, then enable password protection so they get kicked out within 30 seconds
[22:46]  * NCommander has it so if anyone tries to use any of my three nicks, you get booted within 30 seconds :-)
[22:46] <StevenK> I think Freenode disables killing
[22:46] <davidm> NCommander, that you can tell be about off line
[22:46] <NCommander> StevenK, its a forced rename
[22:46] <NCommander> davidm, cool
[22:46] <NCommander> Ok
[22:46] <NCommander> so going 1
[22:46] <NCommander> twice
[22:46] <lool> 'night
[22:46] <NCommander> thrice
[22:46] <StevenK> SOL!
[22:47] <ogra> night !
[22:47] <StevenK> Er, SOLD!
[22:47] <davidm> lool, night
[22:47] <NCommander> That's it folks
[22:47] <NCommander> #endmeeting
[22:47] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 16:47.
[22:47]  * ogra falls over and starts snoring
[22:47] <davidm> Woot, finished early
[22:47] <davidm> night ogra
[22:47]  * NCommander grabs ogra's feet and drags him back to #ubuntu-mobile
[22:47] <bittin`> by :p
[22:47] <bittin`> bye :)
[22:47] <ogra> NCommander, dare you
[22:47] <ogra> ciao bittin`