| Ampelbein | seb128: is the nautilus-updgrade to 2.26.1 taken already? | 00:42 |
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| seb128 | Ampelbein: I did a svn snapshot today so we basically have it already | 00:42 |
| seb128 | same for gvfs | 00:42 |
| Ampelbein | ok. how about gnome-nds-thumbnailer? | 00:43 |
| seb128 | don't bother doing the update, I might have a look tomorrow since I've other things I want to do on nautilus | 00:43 |
| seb128 | you can do this one | 00:43 |
| Ampelbein | ok, will do. | 00:43 |
| seb128 | thanks | 00:43 |
| Ampelbein | seb128: hmm. i just noticed that the current version we have is synced from debian. should i still do the upgrade and send a patch to debian against the package in 'sid'? | 00:46 |
| seb128 | yes | 00:46 |
| Ampelbein | ok | 00:46 |
| MenZa | pitti→ would you say UXA has improved your graphics on Jaunty? | 01:06 |
| MenZa | oh. | 01:06 |
| MenZa | went bed. :( | 01:06 |
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| pitti | Good morning | 06:18 |
| robert_ancell | pitti: hey pitti | 06:54 |
| pitti | hey robert_ancell, how are you? | 06:54 |
| robert_ancell | pitti: good! just managed to find my way to the bottom of the gnome stack to fix 9722 | 06:55 |
| robert_ancell | bug 9722 | 06:55 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 9722 in gnome-desktop "Loading SVG images as background blows up bitmap instead" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/9722 | 06:55 |
| robert_ancell | good ubottu :) | 06:55 |
| pitti | robert_ancell: wow, a four-digit ubg! | 06:57 |
| Amaranth | whoa | 07:04 |
| Amaranth | I didn't think 4 digits bugs even existed :P | 07:04 |
| robert_ancell | 1 less :) | 07:08 |
| robert_ancell | do we still deliver the gnome cd player? Is bug 22081 still relevant? | 07:27 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 22081 in gnome-media "Gnome CD Player Seek bar feedback" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/22081 | 07:27 |
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| seb128 | good morning there | 08:22 |
| didrocks | hello seb128 | 08:27 |
| seb128 | lut didrocks | 08:27 |
| seb128 | hey chrisccoulson | 08:27 |
| chrisccoulson | good morning seb128 | 08:27 |
| seb128 | didrocks: how was sl? | 08:27 |
| crevette | good morning | 08:28 |
| seb128 | lut crevette | 08:29 |
| didrocks | seb128: great, thanks! the canonical booth was impressive and I think they're quite happy with their new contacts they got. A lot of people also at our booth and I have no more voice now ;) | 08:30 |
| pitti | hey seb128 | 08:35 |
| seb128 | didrocks: excellent ;-) | 08:35 |
| seb128 | hey pitti | 08:35 |
| pitti | seb128: FYI, I disabled deb-src in retracer chroots again; the xulrunner hangs drive me nuts | 08:35 |
| seb128 | pitti: could you look at the g-s-t sponsoring request? | 08:35 |
| pitti | I want those to catch up first | 08:35 |
| pitti | seb128: can do | 08:35 |
| seb128 | pitti: it's a one line change and seems fine but I would appreciate comment from somebody knowing the api used there | 08:36 |
| seb128 | pitti: oh, it's deb-src specific? | 08:36 |
| pitti | seb128: well, without deb-src it won't attemt to generate SourceStacktrace and thus unpack source/apply patches | 08:36 |
| seb128 | ah ok | 08:36 |
| seb128 | yeah no issue, that's a nice thing to have but not especially important | 08:37 |
| pitti | hah! | 08:37 |
| pitti | seb128: yeah, I did the same timeout change in jockey | 08:37 |
| pitti | seb128: I'll have a deeper look/test/sponsor | 08:37 |
| seb128 | pitti: thanks | 08:37 |
| pitti | but it looks good at first sight | 08:37 |
| seb128 | I tried to clean the sponsor queue a bit yesterday and the day before | 08:38 |
| seb128 | but I was not sure about this one | 08:38 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: can you please forward the patch in bug 349361 to upstream? | 08:43 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 349361 in gnome-system-tools "Users and Groups tool fails to authenticate." [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/349361 | 08:43 |
| chrisccoulson | yeah, i can do that | 08:44 |
| chrisccoulson | sorry, i didn't get round to doing that yet | 08:44 |
| pitti | no problem, just mentioning it | 08:45 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: thanks for fixing this! | 08:45 |
| seb128 | does DVD playing work for people there? | 08:46 |
| chrisccoulson | pitti - you're welcome | 08:47 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128 - with gstreamer? | 08:47 |
| seb128 | or xine | 08:47 |
| seb128 | bug #342890 | 08:47 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 342890 in libdvdread "Cannot play DVDs - Could not open location; you might not have permission to open the file" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/342890 | 08:47 |
| seb128 | it's marked as a libdvdread issue | 08:47 |
| chrisccoulson | i have to admit, i haven't tried that yet in Jaunty | 08:47 |
| seb128 | I used to have the error but that works fine on my jaunty boxes now | 08:47 |
| seb128 | I would like to get feedback from other users | 08:47 |
| seb128 | the guy in this bug did changes he doesn't understand which seem to fix the issue he's having | 08:48 |
| seb128 | ie he changed the build system used | 08:48 |
| seb128 | I'm not sure it's a good idea to upload that | 08:48 |
| seb128 | especially if DVD playing works for other users | 08:48 |
| didrocks | seb128: I can maybe try in my ppa to build the latest evolution-mapi svn trunk. There is one positive report: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=571579#c29 | 08:48 |
| ubottu | Error: Could not parse XML returned by Gnome: not well-formed (invalid token): line 608, column 0 (http://bugzilla.gnome.org/xml.cgi?id=571579) | 08:48 |
| seb128 | didrocks: you can do a svn snapshot to universe too | 08:49 |
| didrocks | seb128: I was thinking to propose people to test on my ppa first, before uploading to universe | 08:49 |
| seb128 | didrocks: it seems just broken in universe I would not bother and upload directly | 08:50 |
| seb128 | quicker feedback is good | 08:50 |
| seb128 | not so many people will run your ppa and exchange | 08:51 |
| didrocks | seb128: ok, I will just first confirm the versionning scheme from svn when ready :) | 08:51 |
| seb128 | you can add the svn diff to a patch in the debian directory | 08:51 |
| seb128 | or use 2.26.0svn2009... | 08:52 |
| didrocks | seb128: which one is the better pratice for you? | 08:52 |
| didrocks | best* | 08:52 |
| seb128 | I've been doing both | 08:53 |
| seb128 | depends if the svn diff is trivial to apply (ie no need to autoreconf, etc) | 08:53 |
| seb128 | I did the svn diff trick for gvfs and nautilus this week | 08:53 |
| didrocks | ok, let's see the changes from last tarball first | 08:54 |
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| didrocks | seb128: there are also some fixes in openchange that may also be related to the fix | 09:30 |
| seb128 | didrocks: 0.8.2 is on his way to debian | 09:30 |
| didrocks | seb128: ok, so, we will wait for fake-syncing once jelmer will do it :) | 09:31 |
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| asac | bratsche: moin moin. could you please review your branches for nm-pplet an mark them merged/abandoned where appropriate? https://code.edge.launchpad.net/network-manager-applet | 10:44 |
| asac | bratsche: goal: make that branch list meaningful ;) | 10:45 |
| asac | gratias | 10:45 |
| lool | /usr/share/icons/Human/scalable/actions/system-log-out.png: broken symbolic link to `../apps/gnome-logout.png' | 11:24 |
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| asac | why is a png in scalable? | 11:27 |
| mnemo | dpkg -L human-icon-theme | grep scalable | grep png | 11:38 |
| mnemo | return "/usr/share/icons/Human/scalable/actions/system-log-out.png" | 11:39 |
| mnemo | so it's not just the path that is wrong, the file seems placed wrong | 11:39 |
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| Nafallo | kenvandine_wk: hiya. what was the result of the discussion about indicate-python's binary package name? :-) | 13:16 |
| kenvandine_wk | python-indicate | 13:16 |
| Nafallo | kenvandine_wk: I'll change gajim then. ta :-) | 13:19 |
| kenvandine_wk | thx | 13:20 |
| seb128 | Nafallo: just curious but what makes you want to use gajim over other im we ship by default? | 13:21 |
| Nafallo | seb128: 1) I'm the maintainer, 2) it's the best jabber client out there. | 13:21 |
| kenvandine_wk | i don't really use gajim, but it is pretty nice | 13:21 |
| kenvandine_wk | i don't use it because it is jabber only :) | 13:22 |
| seb128 | Nafallo: "best"? what do we need to change to pidgin or empathy to be as good? | 13:22 |
| Nafallo | seb128: to be honest with you I've tried neither of those for a long time :-) | 13:23 |
| seb128 | ok, you are just fanboying something you are used to then ;-) | 13:23 |
| * kenvandine_wk wonders what part of "Lock to panel" makes the panel think i am happy about it moving my applets around | 13:23 | |
| Nafallo | kenvandine_wk: that's what transports are for. :-) | 13:23 |
| seb128 | kenvandine_wk: there is no such thing as panel locking | 13:23 |
| kenvandine_wk | it is an illusion | 13:24 |
| kenvandine_wk | i know | 13:24 |
| kenvandine_wk | i really hate the panel :) | 13:24 |
| mnemo | a lot of times gnome-panel moves around my icons and stuff after updates applied and reboot.... i find this really annoying | 13:24 |
| seb128 | the bug is not specific to locking | 13:24 |
| mnemo | i thought it was just on my machine ;o | 13:24 |
| kenvandine_wk | mnemo: i know... it just happened to me | 13:24 |
| kenvandine_wk | decided to move my clock way out to the middle | 13:24 |
| seb128 | weird | 13:25 |
| seb128 | usually here it just swap order or things aligned | 13:25 |
| kenvandine_wk | well... it did | 13:25 |
| seb128 | ie I've the fusa clock worskpace applets on the right and it switch some of those sometime | 13:25 |
| kenvandine_wk | just moved everything to the right of the clock | 13:25 |
| kenvandine_wk | i had several things on the left of it | 13:25 |
| seb128 | that's not exactly the middle there | 13:25 |
| kenvandine_wk | now i have to unlock everything to move it back | 13:25 |
| seb128 | right | 13:26 |
| seb128 | blame vuntz ;-) | 13:26 |
| kenvandine_wk | everything is vuntz's fault | 13:26 |
| mnemo | in addition to "on update+reboot"... I think it happens when the resolution switches to a low res (like when you run an SDL game in 800x600 etc) | 13:26 |
| kenvandine_wk | or jcastro | 13:26 |
| kenvandine_wk | just because | 13:26 |
| seb128 | mnemo: that's an another issue | 13:26 |
| mnemo | yea I guess | 13:27 |
| Nafallo | seb128: it's rather that it was the best when I started using it and I have never looked back :-) | 13:27 |
| seb128 | Nafallo: what was better by then? | 13:27 |
| Nafallo | seb128: empathy didn't exist back then. and gaim had horrible jabber support. | 13:28 |
| seb128 | in which sense? | 13:28 |
| seb128 | it didn't manage to connect? | 13:28 |
| Nafallo | sometimes yes. | 13:28 |
| kenvandine_wk | seb128: it did use to suck at jabber | 13:28 |
| seb128 | didn't send message or you didn't receive those? | 13:28 |
| kenvandine_wk | very unstable | 13:28 |
| seb128 | kenvandine_wk: still not constructive | 13:28 |
| kenvandine_wk | and gaim was slow at supporting jabber | 13:28 |
| seb128 | I'm trying to figure what need to be changed | 13:28 |
| Nafallo | crashes, unability to connect. messages not getting delivered. no support for server extensions etc etc etc. | 13:28 |
| kenvandine_wk | not be able to connect when other clients would | 13:29 |
| kenvandine_wk | or crash gaim | 13:29 |
| seb128 | I didn't get crash or connection or message issues in a while | 13:29 |
| kenvandine_wk | for a while i used 2 clients to do aim and jabber | 13:29 |
| mnemo | whee, mesa7.4 just hit apt-get... im off testing it now.. bbl | 13:29 |
| kenvandine_wk | seb128: it has been many years | 13:29 |
| seb128 | gaim is over 2 years old | 13:29 |
| seb128 | can we have a revelant context? | 13:29 |
| seb128 | that's not constructive comments | 13:29 |
| seb128 | who cares about what used to happen 3 years ago | 13:30 |
| seb128 | what I'm interested in is what we need to change now | 13:30 |
| kenvandine_wk | seb128: it isn't an issue now... and i use pidgin :) | 13:30 |
| Nafallo | seb128: like I said. I haven't tried pidgin recently. why would I change something that works perfectly well for me? | 13:30 |
| seb128 | could you try? | 13:30 |
| seb128 | I'm interested to know what we could fix for most users in the default install | 13:30 |
| seb128 | not what used to suck years ago ;-) | 13:30 |
| seb128 | just run it for a week and tell us what is buggy for you nowadays? | 13:31 |
| Nafallo | right. let's see if I can get it installed on halfling then. | 13:31 |
| kenvandine_wk | pidgin is good now... uses more memory than i want it too... but it is pretty good | 13:31 |
| seb128 | that would be an useful experience | 13:31 |
| seb128 | empathy would be worth trying to | 13:31 |
| seb128 | we might consider it next cycle | 13:32 |
| Nafallo | a week... I could try it for out of bands testing, but I do like my logs in one place thanks :-P | 13:32 |
| seb128 | it does video conferencing now too | 13:32 |
| seb128 | Nafallo: ok, one hour if that's enough for you to get feedback ;-) | 13:32 |
| seb128 | or create an another account for testing purpose | 13:32 |
| Zdra | seb128: and file transfer is almost ready for jabber now | 13:33 |
| seb128 | so you get your logs in the same client and can play with it ;-) | 13:33 |
| seb128 | Zdra: good to know ;-) | 13:33 |
| Nafallo | sounds more sensible. won't get transports tested, but more senseible :-) | 13:33 |
| Nafallo | (and if it can't handle transports it will be a no go until it does, just saying) | 13:34 |
| Zdra | seb128: it should work with next telepathy-gabble release. Empathy 2.26.0.1 is enough to make it work :) | 13:35 |
| seb128 | cool | 13:35 |
| seb128 | we will look at it next cycle again | 13:35 |
| Zdra | seb128: if it's not too late for jaunty, we could upgrade package... | 13:35 |
| seb128 | we didn't want to do disruptive changes in jaunty to get a "stable" cycle | 13:35 |
| seb128 | Zdra: I don't think it's too late to get telepathy-* bug fix versions | 13:36 |
| seb128 | if they do other changes that need review | 13:36 |
| Zdra | seb128: well, next gabble will have FT support... that's huge code to review... :p | 13:36 |
| seb128 | that's probably for karmic then ;-) | 13:36 |
| Zdra | seb128: yep, probably we'll just push that to our ppa | 13:37 |
| Nafallo | seb128: where do I set my priority? :-) | 13:40 |
| seb128 | what is a priority? | 13:40 |
| Nafallo | seb128: a numerical value that tells the server to which logged in client to send the message. lowest prio wins IIRC. | 13:41 |
| seb128 | urg | 13:41 |
| seb128 | I use only one computer at time | 13:42 |
| seb128 | and starting an IM usually disconnected other connected instances | 13:42 |
| seb128 | so I get new messages there | 13:42 |
| seb128 | dunno about this thing | 13:42 |
| Nafallo | yeah. well. I use two computers and a phone at the moment ;-) | 13:42 |
| seb128 | and you receive messages on the 3 of those? | 13:42 |
| Nafallo | no. the one with the lowest priority. if it's the same priority on multiple, yes. | 13:43 |
| kenvandine_wk | I use 2... but no need to set priority | 13:43 |
| Nafallo | then it goes to all of them. | 13:43 |
| kenvandine_wk | new IMs go to both | 13:43 |
| kenvandine_wk | until i respond to one | 13:43 |
| kenvandine_wk | then it only goes to the one with the active chat | 13:43 |
| kenvandine_wk | which is perfect imho | 13:43 |
| seb128 | Nafallo: ok, you are an IM junky, I didn't think that was possible and I don't think that scale with other protocols ;-) | 13:44 |
| Nafallo | seb128: hence why I only use jabber (with transports though, so I get the same love with other protocols) | 13:44 |
| Nafallo | being logged in to MSN from three places rocks :-) | 13:45 |
| seb128 | if you say so | 13:45 |
| seb128 | I've only 2 hands | 13:45 |
| kenvandine_wk | lol | 13:45 |
| seb128 | and can be looking at one machine at time | 13:45 |
| Nafallo | OMG. you need more! ;-) | 13:45 |
| seb128 | not really no ;-) | 13:45 |
| kenvandine_wk | pidgin seems to do the right thing there without needing to tweak things | 13:45 |
| seb128 | geeks are weird sometime ;-) | 13:46 |
| Nafallo | seb128: it doesn't handle transports at all. it thinks my MSN transport is just another contact to talk to. | 13:46 |
| seb128 | "let's be connected on 15 computer just because we can, still we use one but the other can be eating power for nothing" ;-) | 13:46 |
| seb128 | I don't get the interest of the transport thing | 13:46 |
| seb128 | pidgin connect msn server just fine | 13:46 |
| Nafallo | seb128: setting away on my laptop and go for a coffee brings new messages to my mobile. it makes perfect sense to do so. | 13:47 |
| * kenvandine_wk doesn't understand the need for a transport | 13:47 | |
| Nafallo | seb128: the point is that I do not want to connect to msn from home (and a single location) | 13:47 |
| Nafallo | it's just messy. | 13:47 |
| kenvandine_wk | i guess i don't use msn... so don't really understand | 13:47 |
| kenvandine_wk | aim and jabber handle it fine | 13:47 |
| seb128 | I use jabber, icq, msn | 13:47 |
| Nafallo | one ring to rule them all etc... ;-) | 13:47 |
| kenvandine_wk | and i use them both on 2 computers at the same time... works perfectly | 13:48 |
| seb128 | but I'm not computer junky enough to do IM on my phone while getting coffee | 13:48 |
| kenvandine_wk | but maybe if i cared msn would not | 13:48 |
| seb128 | I just take a 5 minutes break when getting coffee | 13:48 |
| Nafallo | hmm. can I get the XML Console in pidgin somewhere? | 13:49 |
| seb128 | dunno what that is | 13:49 |
| seb128 | forget about pidgin you are weirdo and not a normal user apparently ;-) | 13:49 |
| Nafallo | the raw XML from what the client talks to the server about. | 13:49 |
| Nafallo | good for debugging. | 13:49 |
| seb128 | you can probably telnet the server on the right port | 13:50 |
| Nafallo | hehe :-P | 13:50 |
| seb128 | because that's what our users care about for sure | 13:50 |
| Nafallo | some do, yes :-) | 13:50 |
| seb128 | being able to "get the xml console in their client" | 13:50 |
| Nafallo | power users... but meh :-) | 13:50 |
| seb128 | I tend to think I'm a power user ;-) | 13:50 |
| Nafallo | can I edit the privacy lists on the server? :-) | 13:50 |
| seb128 | but I never feel the need to print xml raw datas for my im conversation in daily use ;-) | 13:51 |
| seb128 | you like to read the matrix right | 13:51 |
| seb128 | get messages in hex format, chars would be too easy to read? ;-) | 13:51 |
| seb128 | but anything thanks | 13:52 |
| kenvandine_wk | hehe | 13:52 |
| seb128 | that was instructive | 13:52 |
| seb128 | now I know that your issue is not a normal user one | 13:52 |
| seb128 | you just need special things normal users don't need about | 13:52 |
| seb128 | which is fair but doesn't interest me really ;-) | 13:53 |
| Nafallo | well. I'd say there is a significant use case in transports, but meh. | 13:53 |
| seb128 | ie highly protocol and technical specific things | 13:53 |
| seb128 | transport is not something user know or care about | 13:53 |
| Nafallo | it is a different way of doing things, I agree with that :-) | 13:53 |
| seb128 | they add their msn, icq, jabber, irc, yahoo, etc account | 13:53 |
| seb128 | and connect | 13:53 |
| seb128 | and use | 13:53 |
| seb128 | they don't care about raw xml things | 13:53 |
| seb128 | I don't get the need for raw xml if you are not hacking on the soft really | 13:54 |
| Nafallo | hmm. how about controlling the server for the admin users? :-) | 13:54 |
| seb128 | but if you like that it's your thing ;-) | 13:54 |
| Nafallo | how do I set the MOTD in pidgin? :-) | 13:54 |
| seb128 | I don't understand what you talk about | 13:54 |
| seb128 | I've contacts in my list | 13:54 |
| seb128 | MOTD is a command line unix thing? | 13:55 |
| seb128 | admin what? | 13:55 |
| seb128 | an IM is usually a thing where you add contact and message theme | 13:55 |
| seb128 | them | 13:55 |
| Nafallo | message of the day. an admin of the jabber server can set one that will get sent to users when they log in to the server. | 13:55 |
| seb128 | bless you | 13:55 |
| seb128 | so it autopen a weird dialog when getting online? | 13:55 |
| seb128 | no thanks | 13:55 |
| Nafallo | irc does as well ;-) | 13:56 |
| seb128 | and that's why I don't use an IM to connect IRC | 13:56 |
| Nafallo | ;-) | 13:56 |
| seb128 | I don't want weird dialog opening when I just get online | 13:56 |
| kenvandine_wk | doesn't for me :) | 13:56 |
| Nafallo | it's not weird at all :-) | 13:56 |
| seb128 | yeah | 13:56 |
| Nafallo | kenvandine_wk: that's because the MOTD wasn't set :-) | 13:56 |
| seb128 | it's just "please give some money so we can get the service running" | 13:57 |
| seb128 | no thanks | 13:57 |
| Nafallo | it can be whatever you set :-) | 13:57 |
| seb128 | such things should not be allowed ;-) | 13:57 |
| seb128 | yeah, I'm not interested | 13:57 |
| seb128 | not having those displayed is a feature | 13:57 |
| Nafallo | "I hate you guys and will run an automatic DDoS if you connect again" | 13:57 |
| seb128 | and setting messages seem an admin thing to me not a client one | 13:57 |
| Nafallo | stuff liek that :-) | 13:57 |
| seb128 | it's like saying "does thunderbird allows me to add user accounts to the server" | 13:58 |
| seb128 | no ... should it? | 13:58 |
| Nafallo | ehrm. you lost me there I'm afraid. | 13:59 |
| seb128 | setting a MOTD on a server is a admin thing | 13:59 |
| kenvandine_wk | Nafallo: admin of the server shouldn't be from the client | 13:59 |
| seb128 | as is adding an account | 13:59 |
| seb128 | there is no reason why clients should have that option | 13:59 |
| seb128 | it's adding noise for 99.9% of users | 14:00 |
| * Nafallo shrugs | 14:00 | |
| kenvandine_wk | Nafallo: gajim is good for you :) | 14:00 |
| seb128 | Nafallo: but you convinced me to not recommend gajim to users ;-) | 14:00 |
| kenvandine_wk | and it doesn't have a nice UI... but it is more complex than i care to use day to day... and not multi-protocol which is a non-starter for me | 14:00 |
| seb128 | it's apparently that sort of thing which has a many option that the whole GNOME | 14:00 |
| kenvandine_wk | but i am glad it supports the indicator now :) | 14:00 |
| Nafallo | seb128: sure. I recommend it to new users. it's pretty, easy to work with and gets users added benefits would they want them :-) | 14:01 |
| Nafallo | seb128: have you tried it though? :-) | 14:01 |
| Nafallo | kenvandine_wk: it doesn't try to be multi-protocol. it's a jabber client. plain and simple. | 14:02 |
| seb128 | Nafallo: some time ago, I didn't find it adding anything over pidgin | 14:02 |
| kenvandine_wk | Nafallo: yeah... which isn't very useful for most people | 14:02 |
| seb128 | or anything that I'm using | 14:02 |
| seb128 | I'm not admin of any server | 14:02 |
| kenvandine_wk | jabber is still not the most common | 14:02 |
| seb128 | doesn't set MOTD | 14:02 |
| seb128 | and doesn't print raw xml in my IM dialogs | 14:02 |
| Nafallo | kenvandine_wk: I've introduced friends to it that quite happily added transports :-) | 14:02 |
| kenvandine_wk | Nafallo: my 76 year old mother doesn't know what transports are :) | 14:02 |
| seb128 | Nafallo: you would have introduced them to pidgin and added non transport account there they would be as happy I expect | 14:03 |
| Nafallo | seb128: oh. you misunderstood that one. it's not raw XML in the dialogs. it's a console to get the raw XML being sent and received from the client. | 14:03 |
| seb128 | Nafallo: sure something luser are asking for every day ;-) | 14:03 |
| seb128 | I don't think I ever felt the need for that | 14:04 |
| seb128 | seems to be a hacker debug mode to me rather than an IM feature | 14:04 |
| Nafallo | some of those tried pidgin first and for some reason or the other didn't like it. I didn't get into details considering I hadn't used it myself :-) | 14:04 |
| seb128 | you seem to want to mix everything | 14:04 |
| seb128 | ie user, admin and debug feature in the same interface | 14:04 |
| Nafallo | kenvandine_wk: my 50isch old mother doesn't know what IM accounts are... | 14:04 |
| seb128 | I don't think it's the way to go | 14:05 |
| seb128 | debug mode and admin should be non standard options | 14:05 |
| seb128 | they just confuse users | 14:05 |
| kenvandine_wk | Nafallo: my mom uses aim and msn | 14:05 |
| seb128 | and people who need those are able to use a command line | 14:05 |
| Nafallo | kenvandine_wk: kewl :-) | 14:05 |
| kenvandine_wk | and she configured pidgin to do it by herself :) | 14:05 |
| seb128 | Nafallo: I don't think your view or what user expect from an im client is good ;-) | 14:06 |
| kenvandine_wk | i gauge things that should be default in a distro on if she can figure it out on her own :) | 14:06 |
| Nafallo | seb128: I don't really care what users expect. I'm quite happy using a proper jabber client that implements whatever new technologies gets specifications in jabber, and if other's want the same; I'm happy supplying that option :-) | 14:07 |
| seb128 | Nafallo: anyway thanks for the feedback, I think we have discussed it enough | 14:07 |
| Nafallo | and no. I'm not aiming to have gajim as default :-) | 14:08 |
| seb128 | Nafallo: wel that was my point | 14:08 |
| seb128 | Nafallo: "using a proper jabber client that implements whatever new technologies gets specifications in jabber" | 14:08 |
| seb128 | Nafallo: do you know about any specification other clients don't implement | 14:08 |
| seb128 | and I'm not speaking about doing server admin through your client | 14:08 |
| seb128 | just user side | 14:08 |
| seb128 | I don't really care if you IM has a webmin mode to admin your server ;-) | 14:09 |
| Nafallo | http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0030.html | 14:09 |
| kenvandine_wk | morning rickspencer3 | 14:22 |
| rickspencer3 | morning kenvandine_wk | 14:22 |
| rickspencer3 | how's everyone doing? | 14:22 |
| kenvandine_wk | good | 14:23 |
| kenvandine_wk | see my mail yet? | 14:23 |
| pitti | rickspencer3: how was your trip? | 14:23 |
| rickspencer3 | I it was fine | 14:24 |
| rickspencer3 | thanks for asking | 14:24 |
| rickspencer3 | the flying/work ratio was a tad high | 14:24 |
| kenvandine_wk | day trips are hard that way :/ | 14:24 |
| rickspencer3 | but it was a really good sessions with jono, which was much more productive for being face to face | 14:24 |
| kenvandine_wk | good | 14:25 |
| rickspencer3 | Also, I got some kick ass noodles for lunch | 14:25 |
| rickspencer3 | :) | 14:25 |
| rickspencer3 | got home laaate, so a bit tired today | 14:25 |
| rickspencer3 | how are you guys holding up wrt to final freeze being four working days away? | 14:26 |
| seb128 | hey rickspencer3 | 14:26 |
| rickspencer3 | seb128: 'morning | 14:26 |
| pitti | *shudder* :) | 14:27 |
| rickspencer3 | seb128: I read quite a few of them ;) | 14:27 |
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| james_w | it seems indicator-applet might be like that drunk guy in a bar, it seems to try to talk to every process that connects to dbus, but most just ignore it | 14:50 |
| mnemo | haha =) | 14:53 |
| kenvandine_wk | asac: is there really a translation issue with bug 338389 | 14:58 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 338389 in network-manager-applet "flip connected message and ssid in wireless device" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/338389 | 14:58 |
| kenvandine_wk | looking at the patch, the strings didn't change at all, just the order they are displayed | 14:58 |
| asac | kenvandine_wk: there is no issue with that particular one | 15:07 |
| asac | kenvandine_wk: we have a few other string changes .... you can see them in the dx patches in the packages | 15:08 |
| kenvandine_wk | humm | 15:09 |
| kenvandine_wk | do you know which ones? | 15:09 |
| kenvandine_wk | that was the bug i was pointed at | 15:10 |
| asac | kenvandine_wk: lp330571_dxteam_wired_connect_text.patch lp330608_dxteam_gsm_connect_text.patch lp341684_device_sensitive_disconnect_notify.patch | 15:12 |
| * kenvandine_wk was just greping for _( :) | 15:13 | |
| asac | kenvandine_wk: what are you trying to do with those now? | 15:20 |
| kenvandine_wk | checking to see if the translations are done... | 15:20 |
| asac | babelfish? | 15:20 |
| asac | ;) | 15:20 |
| asac | ah | 15:20 |
| asac | ok | 15:20 |
| kenvandine_wk | if they aren't, we have another plan | 15:20 |
| kenvandine_wk | but need to make the call today | 15:20 |
| asac | good good | 15:20 |
| * kenvandine_wk is downloading the latest delta | 15:20 | |
| * kenvandine_wk wishes there was an easier way to check | 15:21 | |
| kenvandine_wk | rosetta doesn't give us a % translated? | 15:21 |
| asac | kenvandine_wk: i think there is a way to bump priority for certain strings in rosetta ... so translators get that offered on top if they want to do random work. | 15:21 |
| asac | kenvandine_wk: % translated? just for all strings in distro, not for packages i think | 15:22 |
| asac | https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+source/network-manager-applet | 15:22 |
| kenvandine_wk | asac: for example... i can pick one of these strings and check in a particular lang | 15:22 |
| kenvandine_wk | but | 15:22 |
| asac | https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty/+source/network-manager-applet | 15:22 |
| kenvandine_wk | what about all the languages? | 15:22 |
| asac | this one: https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty/+source/network-manager-applet/+pots/nm-applet | 15:22 |
| asac | the last is about all languages | 15:23 |
| asac | not sure how to parse that page though | 15:23 |
| asac | i guess its not helpful for this purpose | 15:23 |
| kenvandine_wk | right... so how do decide these strings we changed are translated in enough languages? | 15:23 |
| asac | let me translate german | 15:24 |
| kenvandine_wk | yeah, it looks like they aren't translated in pt_BR | 15:28 |
| asac | ok german is now complete | 15:29 |
| kenvandine_wk | great | 15:29 |
| kenvandine_wk | spanish has been done | 15:29 |
| kenvandine_wk | i just don't know how to make the decision it is done enough :) | 15:30 |
| bratsche | asac: Okay done! | 15:30 |
| asac | bratsche: thanks | 15:31 |
| kenvandine_wk | asac: do we have any guideline for making the decision? | 15:31 |
| asac | kenvandine_wk: done enough == no missing translations | 15:31 |
| kenvandine_wk | es is done but pt_BR isn't | 15:31 |
| asac | kenvandine_wk: pt_BR is important | 15:32 |
| kenvandine_wk | ok... so 100% | 15:32 |
| kenvandine_wk | agreed | 15:32 |
| asac | we have kind of a list of first tier languages | 15:32 |
| kenvandine_wk | i always check 1st | 15:32 |
| asac | pitti: where was the list we use to decide which translations get on the CD again? | 15:32 |
| asac | iirc, there was a priority list ... which probably is a good base to decide which languages are top prio | 15:32 |
| mnemo | i've stopped getting notifications about new updates... is that because update-manager waits a long time before telling me about non-security updates? | 15:32 |
| asac | mnemo: yes. | 15:33 |
| asac | once a week i think | 15:33 |
| pitti | asac: priority_langs in http://bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Eubuntu-langpack/langpack-o-matic/main/annotate/head%3A/langpacksize | 15:33 |
| asac | kenvandine_wk: ^^ | 15:33 |
| kenvandine_wk | pitti: thx | 15:33 |
| asac | kenvandine_wk: so pt and zh need two languages for sure | 15:33 |
| mnemo | asac: for the stable release, this is great but won't you want to to check more often during pre-release dev builds (i.e. for jaunty)... i mean you want feedback on new uploads asap? | 15:33 |
| kenvandine_wk | yeah | 15:34 |
| * kenvandine_wk loops through them to see how we look | 15:34 | |
| asac | mnemo: not sure. i dont have a problem with the current behaviour ... but then, i run apt-get dist-upgrade ;) | 15:34 |
| asac | mnemo: personally i think that the behaviour should reflect the future stable behaviour | 15:34 |
| asac | as testing that is what the development release is about more or less | 15:35 |
| rickspencer3 | bug 339555 | 15:35 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 339555 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "compiz slowmotion after Jaunty upgrade" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/339555 | 15:35 |
| zslashz | it detects cd normally, but cant do same for dvd | 15:36 |
| asac | argh. phantom panel again ;) | 15:36 |
| zslashz | and i dont mean a dvd movie or so..just an empty dvd | 15:37 |
| zslashz | any ideas people | 15:37 |
| zslashz | ? | 15:37 |
| asac | i stopped using CDs/DVDs long ago ;) | 15:38 |
| asac | not really sure how gnome probes whether a CD/DVD is empty | 15:39 |
| zslashz | hmmm/...:( | 15:41 |
| asac | germany sucks so much | 15:41 |
| asac | "This video is not available in your country. " | 15:41 |
| asac | e.g. all music videos banned on youtube.com | 15:41 |
| pitti | bryce: in today's release team meeting, bug 339555 and bug 337608 were pointed out to be important; could you please look at them next week, or delegate to someone else? | 15:44 |
| ubottu | Error: Could not parse data returned by Launchpad: timed out (https://launchpad.net/bugs/339555/+text) | 15:44 |
| ubottu | Error: Could not parse data returned by Launchpad: timed out (https://launchpad.net/bugs/337608/+text) | 15:44 |
| kenvandine_wk | ArneGoetje: ping | 15:58 |
| ArneGoetje | kenvandine_wk: pong | 16:01 |
| kenvandine_wk | ArneGoetje: we have some string changes from the dxteam in nm-applet | 16:01 |
| kenvandine_wk | what is the best way to check the translation status? | 16:01 |
| * kenvandine_wk downloaded them and ran grep :) | 16:02 | |
| ArneGoetje | kenvandine_wk: you mean overall translation status? like this: https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty/+source/network-manager-applet/+pots/nm-applet ? | 16:04 |
| kenvandine_wk | no, for specific strings | 16:04 |
| kenvandine_wk | i have a handful of strings we changed | 16:04 |
| ArneGoetje | kenvandine_wk: I think we don't have any mechanism for seeing all languages on string level. | 16:05 |
| kenvandine_wk | ok | 16:05 |
| kenvandine_wk | thx | 16:05 |
| ArneGoetje | np | 16:05 |
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| pitti | mvo: could you please have a quick look at bug 352307, to confirm that I understood update-notifier update notes correctly? | 16:45 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 352307 in ecryptfs-utils "update-notifier message about recording mount passphrase" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/352307 | 16:45 |
| pitti | mvo: (in the sense that they aren't really what I want for this case) | 16:46 |
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| pitti | bye everyone, I'm off to SF! | 17:41 |
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| YokoZar | So there's a regression in gnome-codec-install that probably needs some attention (it doesn't find the bad codecs) | 20:37 |
| mvo | YokoZar: oh, do you have a example? | 20:45 |
| YokoZar | mvo: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-codec-install/+bug/349607 | 20:45 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 349607 in gnome-codec-install "Codec manager does not find "bad" codecs" [Medium,Triaged] | 20:45 |
| * mvo looks | 20:45 | |
| YokoZar | I know xvid does it | 20:45 |
| YokoZar | User has xvid-encoded foo.avi and codec install can't find it | 20:46 |
| mvo | YokoZar: ok, I will go and see if I can find a xvid file on the net | 20:47 |
| YokoZar | mvo: there's an obvious joke about video files on the internet here... | 20:48 |
| mnemo | some nice xvid files here --> http://ftp.heanet.ie/mirrors/fosdem-video/2009/maintracks/ | 20:49 |
| mvo | YokoZar: heh :) its harder than it looks, so much spam/fishing sites if you type video | 20:52 |
| mvo | mnemo: thanks, that looks good | 20:52 |
| mvo | hm, so -ffmpeg and -ugly seems to be fine for the fodem-videos - looks like I need to find anohter example that actually uses "bad" | 20:57 |
| mnemo | mvo: www.ted.com often offers zipped .mp4 videos and channel9.msnd.com has .wmv | 21:01 |
| mnemo | not sure if those are -bad though | 21:01 |
| mnemo | http://channel9.msdn.com/ | 21:02 |
| dobey | ironsky.net has a few videos, though i don't know what codec they are in. and all the HD stuff on youtube is h264 mp4 i think | 21:05 |
| mvo | mnemo: thanks, the zipped mp4 uses bad and works | 21:05 |
| mvo | dobey: thanks, checking that out now | 21:05 |
| dobey | iron sky looks hilarious, but probably won't make it to germany | 21:06 |
| mvo | meh, what is channel9 the official propaganda channel? | 21:06 |
| mnemo | yes | 21:07 |
| mnemo | well it's the developer targetted propaganda they also have other similar sites for BDMs etc | 21:07 |
| mvo | dobey: I hit ironsky.com first, that looks "interessting" | 21:07 |
| dobey | heh | 21:08 |
| mvo | hm, looks all good too | 21:08 |
| dobey | i wish there were more HD videos to download | 21:10 |
| mvo | I'm not sure how well this film would work in germany ;) | 21:11 |
| dobey | yeah | 21:11 |
| dobey | i think german law would sort of prevent it from being shown :P | 21:12 |
| mvo | that too :) | 21:13 |
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