[00:42] seb128: is the nautilus-updgrade to 2.26.1 taken already? [00:42] Ampelbein: I did a svn snapshot today so we basically have it already [00:42] same for gvfs [00:43] ok. how about gnome-nds-thumbnailer? [00:43] don't bother doing the update, I might have a look tomorrow since I've other things I want to do on nautilus [00:43] you can do this one [00:43] ok, will do. [00:43] thanks [00:46] seb128: hmm. i just noticed that the current version we have is synced from debian. should i still do the upgrade and send a patch to debian against the package in 'sid'? [00:46] yes [00:46] ok [01:06] pitti→ would you say UXA has improved your graphics on Jaunty? [01:06] oh. [01:06] went bed. :( === MenZa_ is now known as MenZa === br_away is now known as bratsche === hyperair_ is now known as hyperair === bluesmoke_ is now known as Amaranth [06:18] Good morning [06:54] pitti: hey pitti [06:54] hey robert_ancell, how are you? [06:55] pitti: good! just managed to find my way to the bottom of the gnome stack to fix 9722 [06:55] bug 9722 [06:55] Launchpad bug 9722 in gnome-desktop "Loading SVG images as background blows up bitmap instead" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/9722 [06:55] good ubottu :) [06:57] robert_ancell: wow, a four-digit ubg! [07:04] whoa [07:04] I didn't think 4 digits bugs even existed :P [07:08] 1 less :) [07:27] do we still deliver the gnome cd player? Is bug 22081 still relevant? [07:27] Launchpad bug 22081 in gnome-media "Gnome CD Player Seek bar feedback" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/22081 === hyperair1 is now known as hyperair === hyperair1 is now known as hyperair [08:22] good morning there [08:27] hello seb128 [08:27] lut didrocks [08:27] hey chrisccoulson [08:27] good morning seb128 [08:27] didrocks: how was sl? [08:28] good morning [08:29] lut crevette [08:30] seb128: great, thanks! the canonical booth was impressive and I think they're quite happy with their new contacts they got. A lot of people also at our booth and I have no more voice now ;) [08:35] hey seb128 [08:35] didrocks: excellent ;-) [08:35] hey pitti [08:35] seb128: FYI, I disabled deb-src in retracer chroots again; the xulrunner hangs drive me nuts [08:35] pitti: could you look at the g-s-t sponsoring request? [08:35] I want those to catch up first [08:35] seb128: can do [08:36] pitti: it's a one line change and seems fine but I would appreciate comment from somebody knowing the api used there [08:36] pitti: oh, it's deb-src specific? [08:36] seb128: well, without deb-src it won't attemt to generate SourceStacktrace and thus unpack source/apply patches [08:36] ah ok [08:37] yeah no issue, that's a nice thing to have but not especially important [08:37] hah! [08:37] seb128: yeah, I did the same timeout change in jockey [08:37] seb128: I'll have a deeper look/test/sponsor [08:37] pitti: thanks [08:37] but it looks good at first sight [08:38] I tried to clean the sponsor queue a bit yesterday and the day before [08:38] but I was not sure about this one [08:43] chrisccoulson: can you please forward the patch in bug 349361 to upstream? [08:43] Launchpad bug 349361 in gnome-system-tools "Users and Groups tool fails to authenticate." [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/349361 [08:44] yeah, i can do that [08:44] sorry, i didn't get round to doing that yet [08:45] no problem, just mentioning it [08:45] chrisccoulson: thanks for fixing this! [08:46] does DVD playing work for people there? [08:47] pitti - you're welcome [08:47] seb128 - with gstreamer? [08:47] or xine [08:47] bug #342890 [08:47] Launchpad bug 342890 in libdvdread "Cannot play DVDs - Could not open location; you might not have permission to open the file" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/342890 [08:47] it's marked as a libdvdread issue [08:47] i have to admit, i haven't tried that yet in Jaunty [08:47] I used to have the error but that works fine on my jaunty boxes now [08:47] I would like to get feedback from other users [08:48] the guy in this bug did changes he doesn't understand which seem to fix the issue he's having [08:48] ie he changed the build system used [08:48] I'm not sure it's a good idea to upload that [08:48] especially if DVD playing works for other users [08:48] seb128: I can maybe try in my ppa to build the latest evolution-mapi svn trunk. There is one positive report: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=571579#c29 [08:48] Error: Could not parse XML returned by Gnome: not well-formed (invalid token): line 608, column 0 (http://bugzilla.gnome.org/xml.cgi?id=571579) [08:49] didrocks: you can do a svn snapshot to universe too [08:49] seb128: I was thinking to propose people to test on my ppa first, before uploading to universe [08:50] didrocks: it seems just broken in universe I would not bother and upload directly [08:50] quicker feedback is good [08:51] not so many people will run your ppa and exchange [08:51] seb128: ok, I will just first confirm the versionning scheme from svn when ready :) [08:51] you can add the svn diff to a patch in the debian directory [08:52] or use 2.26.0svn2009... [08:52] seb128: which one is the better pratice for you? [08:52] best* [08:53] I've been doing both [08:53] depends if the svn diff is trivial to apply (ie no need to autoreconf, etc) [08:53] I did the svn diff trick for gvfs and nautilus this week [08:54] ok, let's see the changes from last tarball first === hyperair_ is now known as hyperair === agateau_ is now known as agateau === seb128_ is now known as seb128 === hyperair_ is now known as hyperair [09:30] seb128: there are also some fixes in openchange that may also be related to the fix [09:30] didrocks: 0.8.2 is on his way to debian [09:31] seb128: ok, so, we will wait for fake-syncing once jelmer will do it :) === asac_ is now known as asac [10:44] bratsche: moin moin. could you please review your branches for nm-pplet an mark them merged/abandoned where appropriate? https://code.edge.launchpad.net/network-manager-applet [10:45] bratsche: goal: make that branch list meaningful ;) [10:45] gratias [11:24] /usr/share/icons/Human/scalable/actions/system-log-out.png: broken symbolic link to `../apps/gnome-logout.png' === hyperair_ is now known as hyperair [11:27] why is a png in scalable? [11:38] dpkg -L human-icon-theme | grep scalable | grep png [11:39] return "/usr/share/icons/Human/scalable/actions/system-log-out.png" [11:39] so it's not just the path that is wrong, the file seems placed wrong === ember_ is now known as ember [13:16] kenvandine_wk: hiya. what was the result of the discussion about indicate-python's binary package name? :-) [13:16] python-indicate [13:19] kenvandine_wk: I'll change gajim then. ta :-) [13:20] thx [13:21] Nafallo: just curious but what makes you want to use gajim over other im we ship by default? [13:21] seb128: 1) I'm the maintainer, 2) it's the best jabber client out there. [13:21] i don't really use gajim, but it is pretty nice [13:22] i don't use it because it is jabber only :) [13:22] Nafallo: "best"? what do we need to change to pidgin or empathy to be as good? [13:23] seb128: to be honest with you I've tried neither of those for a long time :-) [13:23] ok, you are just fanboying something you are used to then ;-) [13:23] * kenvandine_wk wonders what part of "Lock to panel" makes the panel think i am happy about it moving my applets around [13:23] kenvandine_wk: that's what transports are for. :-) [13:23] kenvandine_wk: there is no such thing as panel locking [13:24] it is an illusion [13:24] i know [13:24] i really hate the panel :) [13:24] a lot of times gnome-panel moves around my icons and stuff after updates applied and reboot.... i find this really annoying [13:24] the bug is not specific to locking [13:24] i thought it was just on my machine ;o [13:24] mnemo: i know... it just happened to me [13:24] decided to move my clock way out to the middle [13:25] weird [13:25] usually here it just swap order or things aligned [13:25] well... it did [13:25] ie I've the fusa clock worskpace applets on the right and it switch some of those sometime [13:25] just moved everything to the right of the clock [13:25] i had several things on the left of it [13:25] that's not exactly the middle there [13:25] now i have to unlock everything to move it back [13:26] right [13:26] blame vuntz ;-) [13:26] everything is vuntz's fault [13:26] in addition to "on update+reboot"... I think it happens when the resolution switches to a low res (like when you run an SDL game in 800x600 etc) [13:26] or jcastro [13:26] just because [13:26] mnemo: that's an another issue [13:27] yea I guess [13:27] seb128: it's rather that it was the best when I started using it and I have never looked back :-) [13:27] Nafallo: what was better by then? [13:28] seb128: empathy didn't exist back then. and gaim had horrible jabber support. [13:28] in which sense? [13:28] it didn't manage to connect? [13:28] sometimes yes. [13:28] seb128: it did use to suck at jabber [13:28] didn't send message or you didn't receive those? [13:28] very unstable [13:28] kenvandine_wk: still not constructive [13:28] and gaim was slow at supporting jabber [13:28] I'm trying to figure what need to be changed [13:28] crashes, unability to connect. messages not getting delivered. no support for server extensions etc etc etc. [13:29] not be able to connect when other clients would [13:29] or crash gaim [13:29] I didn't get crash or connection or message issues in a while [13:29] for a while i used 2 clients to do aim and jabber [13:29] whee, mesa7.4 just hit apt-get... im off testing it now.. bbl [13:29] seb128: it has been many years [13:29] gaim is over 2 years old [13:29] can we have a revelant context? [13:29] that's not constructive comments [13:30] who cares about what used to happen 3 years ago [13:30] what I'm interested in is what we need to change now [13:30] seb128: it isn't an issue now... and i use pidgin :) [13:30] seb128: like I said. I haven't tried pidgin recently. why would I change something that works perfectly well for me? [13:30] could you try? [13:30] I'm interested to know what we could fix for most users in the default install [13:30] not what used to suck years ago ;-) [13:31] just run it for a week and tell us what is buggy for you nowadays? [13:31] right. let's see if I can get it installed on halfling then. [13:31] pidgin is good now... uses more memory than i want it too... but it is pretty good [13:31] that would be an useful experience [13:31] empathy would be worth trying to [13:32] we might consider it next cycle [13:32] a week... I could try it for out of bands testing, but I do like my logs in one place thanks :-P [13:32] it does video conferencing now too [13:32] Nafallo: ok, one hour if that's enough for you to get feedback ;-) [13:32] or create an another account for testing purpose [13:33] seb128: and file transfer is almost ready for jabber now [13:33] so you get your logs in the same client and can play with it ;-) [13:33] Zdra: good to know ;-) [13:33] sounds more sensible. won't get transports tested, but more senseible :-) [13:34] (and if it can't handle transports it will be a no go until it does, just saying) [13:35] seb128: it should work with next telepathy-gabble release. Empathy 2.26.0.1 is enough to make it work :) [13:35] cool [13:35] we will look at it next cycle again [13:35] seb128: if it's not too late for jaunty, we could upgrade package... [13:35] we didn't want to do disruptive changes in jaunty to get a "stable" cycle [13:36] Zdra: I don't think it's too late to get telepathy-* bug fix versions [13:36] if they do other changes that need review [13:36] seb128: well, next gabble will have FT support... that's huge code to review... :p [13:36] that's probably for karmic then ;-) [13:37] seb128: yep, probably we'll just push that to our ppa [13:40] seb128: where do I set my priority? :-) [13:40] what is a priority? [13:41] seb128: a numerical value that tells the server to which logged in client to send the message. lowest prio wins IIRC. [13:41] urg [13:42] I use only one computer at time [13:42] and starting an IM usually disconnected other connected instances [13:42] so I get new messages there [13:42] dunno about this thing [13:42] yeah. well. I use two computers and a phone at the moment ;-) [13:42] and you receive messages on the 3 of those? [13:43] no. the one with the lowest priority. if it's the same priority on multiple, yes. [13:43] I use 2... but no need to set priority [13:43] then it goes to all of them. [13:43] new IMs go to both [13:43] until i respond to one [13:43] then it only goes to the one with the active chat [13:43] which is perfect imho [13:44] Nafallo: ok, you are an IM junky, I didn't think that was possible and I don't think that scale with other protocols ;-) [13:44] seb128: hence why I only use jabber (with transports though, so I get the same love with other protocols) [13:45] being logged in to MSN from three places rocks :-) [13:45] if you say so [13:45] I've only 2 hands [13:45] lol [13:45] and can be looking at one machine at time [13:45] OMG. you need more! ;-) [13:45] not really no ;-) [13:45] pidgin seems to do the right thing there without needing to tweak things [13:46] geeks are weird sometime ;-) [13:46] seb128: it doesn't handle transports at all. it thinks my MSN transport is just another contact to talk to. [13:46] "let's be connected on 15 computer just because we can, still we use one but the other can be eating power for nothing" ;-) [13:46] I don't get the interest of the transport thing [13:46] pidgin connect msn server just fine [13:47] seb128: setting away on my laptop and go for a coffee brings new messages to my mobile. it makes perfect sense to do so. [13:47] * kenvandine_wk doesn't understand the need for a transport [13:47] seb128: the point is that I do not want to connect to msn from home (and a single location) [13:47] it's just messy. [13:47] i guess i don't use msn... so don't really understand [13:47] aim and jabber handle it fine [13:47] I use jabber, icq, msn [13:47] one ring to rule them all etc... ;-) [13:48] and i use them both on 2 computers at the same time... works perfectly [13:48] but I'm not computer junky enough to do IM on my phone while getting coffee [13:48] but maybe if i cared msn would not [13:48] I just take a 5 minutes break when getting coffee [13:49] hmm. can I get the XML Console in pidgin somewhere? [13:49] dunno what that is [13:49] forget about pidgin you are weirdo and not a normal user apparently ;-) [13:49] the raw XML from what the client talks to the server about. [13:49] good for debugging. [13:50] you can probably telnet the server on the right port [13:50] hehe :-P [13:50] because that's what our users care about for sure [13:50] some do, yes :-) [13:50] being able to "get the xml console in their client" [13:50] power users... but meh :-) [13:50] I tend to think I'm a power user ;-) [13:50] can I edit the privacy lists on the server? :-) [13:51] but I never feel the need to print xml raw datas for my im conversation in daily use ;-) [13:51] you like to read the matrix right [13:51] get messages in hex format, chars would be too easy to read? ;-) [13:52] but anything thanks [13:52] hehe [13:52] that was instructive [13:52] now I know that your issue is not a normal user one [13:52] you just need special things normal users don't need about [13:53] which is fair but doesn't interest me really ;-) [13:53] well. I'd say there is a significant use case in transports, but meh. [13:53] ie highly protocol and technical specific things [13:53] transport is not something user know or care about [13:53] it is a different way of doing things, I agree with that :-) [13:53] they add their msn, icq, jabber, irc, yahoo, etc account [13:53] and connect [13:53] and use [13:53] they don't care about raw xml things [13:54] I don't get the need for raw xml if you are not hacking on the soft really [13:54] hmm. how about controlling the server for the admin users? :-) [13:54] but if you like that it's your thing ;-) [13:54] how do I set the MOTD in pidgin? :-) [13:54] I don't understand what you talk about [13:54] I've contacts in my list [13:55] MOTD is a command line unix thing? [13:55] admin what? [13:55] an IM is usually a thing where you add contact and message theme [13:55] them [13:55] message of the day. an admin of the jabber server can set one that will get sent to users when they log in to the server. [13:55] bless you [13:55] so it autopen a weird dialog when getting online? [13:55] no thanks [13:56] irc does as well ;-) [13:56] and that's why I don't use an IM to connect IRC [13:56] ;-) [13:56] I don't want weird dialog opening when I just get online [13:56] doesn't for me :) [13:56] it's not weird at all :-) [13:56] yeah [13:56] kenvandine_wk: that's because the MOTD wasn't set :-) [13:57] it's just "please give some money so we can get the service running" [13:57] no thanks [13:57] it can be whatever you set :-) [13:57] such things should not be allowed ;-) [13:57] yeah, I'm not interested [13:57] not having those displayed is a feature [13:57] "I hate you guys and will run an automatic DDoS if you connect again" [13:57] and setting messages seem an admin thing to me not a client one [13:57] stuff liek that :-) [13:58] it's like saying "does thunderbird allows me to add user accounts to the server" [13:58] no ... should it? [13:59] ehrm. you lost me there I'm afraid. [13:59] setting a MOTD on a server is a admin thing [13:59] Nafallo: admin of the server shouldn't be from the client [13:59] as is adding an account [13:59] there is no reason why clients should have that option [14:00] it's adding noise for 99.9% of users [14:00] * Nafallo shrugs [14:00] Nafallo: gajim is good for you :) [14:00] Nafallo: but you convinced me to not recommend gajim to users ;-) [14:00] and it doesn't have a nice UI... but it is more complex than i care to use day to day... and not multi-protocol which is a non-starter for me [14:00] it's apparently that sort of thing which has a many option that the whole GNOME [14:00] but i am glad it supports the indicator now :) [14:01] seb128: sure. I recommend it to new users. it's pretty, easy to work with and gets users added benefits would they want them :-) [14:01] seb128: have you tried it though? :-) [14:02] kenvandine_wk: it doesn't try to be multi-protocol. it's a jabber client. plain and simple. [14:02] Nafallo: some time ago, I didn't find it adding anything over pidgin [14:02] Nafallo: yeah... which isn't very useful for most people [14:02] or anything that I'm using [14:02] I'm not admin of any server [14:02] jabber is still not the most common [14:02] doesn't set MOTD [14:02] and doesn't print raw xml in my IM dialogs [14:02] kenvandine_wk: I've introduced friends to it that quite happily added transports :-) [14:02] Nafallo: my 76 year old mother doesn't know what transports are :) [14:03] Nafallo: you would have introduced them to pidgin and added non transport account there they would be as happy I expect [14:03] seb128: oh. you misunderstood that one. it's not raw XML in the dialogs. it's a console to get the raw XML being sent and received from the client. [14:03] Nafallo: sure something luser are asking for every day ;-) [14:04] I don't think I ever felt the need for that [14:04] seems to be a hacker debug mode to me rather than an IM feature [14:04] some of those tried pidgin first and for some reason or the other didn't like it. I didn't get into details considering I hadn't used it myself :-) [14:04] you seem to want to mix everything [14:04] ie user, admin and debug feature in the same interface [14:04] kenvandine_wk: my 50isch old mother doesn't know what IM accounts are... [14:05] I don't think it's the way to go [14:05] debug mode and admin should be non standard options [14:05] they just confuse users [14:05] Nafallo: my mom uses aim and msn [14:05] and people who need those are able to use a command line [14:05] kenvandine_wk: kewl :-) [14:05] and she configured pidgin to do it by herself :) [14:06] Nafallo: I don't think your view or what user expect from an im client is good ;-) [14:06] i gauge things that should be default in a distro on if she can figure it out on her own :) [14:07] seb128: I don't really care what users expect. I'm quite happy using a proper jabber client that implements whatever new technologies gets specifications in jabber, and if other's want the same; I'm happy supplying that option :-) [14:07] Nafallo: anyway thanks for the feedback, I think we have discussed it enough [14:08] and no. I'm not aiming to have gajim as default :-) [14:08] Nafallo: wel that was my point [14:08] Nafallo: "using a proper jabber client that implements whatever new technologies gets specifications in jabber" [14:08] Nafallo: do you know about any specification other clients don't implement [14:08] and I'm not speaking about doing server admin through your client [14:08] just user side [14:09] I don't really care if you IM has a webmin mode to admin your server ;-) [14:09] http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0030.html [14:22] morning rickspencer3 [14:22] morning kenvandine_wk [14:22] how's everyone doing? [14:23] good [14:23] see my mail yet? [14:23] rickspencer3: how was your trip? [14:24] I it was fine [14:24] thanks for asking [14:24] the flying/work ratio was a tad high [14:24] day trips are hard that way :/ [14:24] but it was a really good sessions with jono, which was much more productive for being face to face [14:25] good [14:25] Also, I got some kick ass noodles for lunch [14:25] :) [14:25] got home laaate, so a bit tired today [14:26] how are you guys holding up wrt to final freeze being four working days away? [14:26] hey rickspencer3 [14:26] seb128: 'morning [14:27] *shudder* :) [14:27] seb128: I read quite a few of them ;) === hyper is now known as hyperair [14:50] it seems indicator-applet might be like that drunk guy in a bar, it seems to try to talk to every process that connects to dbus, but most just ignore it [14:53] haha =) [14:58] asac: is there really a translation issue with bug 338389 [14:58] Launchpad bug 338389 in network-manager-applet "flip connected message and ssid in wireless device" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/338389 [14:58] looking at the patch, the strings didn't change at all, just the order they are displayed [15:07] kenvandine_wk: there is no issue with that particular one [15:08] kenvandine_wk: we have a few other string changes .... you can see them in the dx patches in the packages [15:09] humm [15:09] do you know which ones? [15:10] that was the bug i was pointed at [15:12] kenvandine_wk: lp330571_dxteam_wired_connect_text.patch lp330608_dxteam_gsm_connect_text.patch lp341684_device_sensitive_disconnect_notify.patch [15:13] * kenvandine_wk was just greping for _( :) [15:20] kenvandine_wk: what are you trying to do with those now? [15:20] checking to see if the translations are done... [15:20] babelfish? [15:20] ;) [15:20] ah [15:20] ok [15:20] if they aren't, we have another plan [15:20] but need to make the call today [15:20] good good [15:20] * kenvandine_wk is downloading the latest delta [15:21] * kenvandine_wk wishes there was an easier way to check [15:21] rosetta doesn't give us a % translated? [15:21] kenvandine_wk: i think there is a way to bump priority for certain strings in rosetta ... so translators get that offered on top if they want to do random work. [15:22] kenvandine_wk: % translated? just for all strings in distro, not for packages i think [15:22] https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+source/network-manager-applet [15:22] asac: for example... i can pick one of these strings and check in a particular lang [15:22] but [15:22] https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty/+source/network-manager-applet [15:22] what about all the languages? [15:22] this one: https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty/+source/network-manager-applet/+pots/nm-applet [15:23] the last is about all languages [15:23]