[00:42] <Ampelbein> seb128: is the nautilus-updgrade to 2.26.1 taken already?
[00:42] <seb128> Ampelbein: I did a svn snapshot today so we basically have it already
[00:42] <seb128> same for gvfs
[00:43] <Ampelbein> ok. how about gnome-nds-thumbnailer?
[00:43] <seb128> don't bother doing the update, I might have a look tomorrow since I've other things I want to do on nautilus
[00:43] <seb128> you can do this one
[00:43] <Ampelbein> ok, will do.
[00:43] <seb128> thanks
[00:46] <Ampelbein> seb128: hmm. i just noticed that the current version we have is synced from debian. should i still do the upgrade and send a patch to debian against the package in 'sid'?
[00:46] <seb128> yes
[00:46] <Ampelbein> ok
[01:06] <MenZa> pitti→ would you say UXA has improved your graphics on Jaunty?
[01:06] <MenZa> oh.
[01:06] <MenZa> went bed. :(
[06:18] <pitti> Good morning
[06:54] <robert_ancell> pitti: hey pitti
[06:54] <pitti> hey robert_ancell, how are you?
[06:55] <robert_ancell> pitti: good! just managed to find my way to the bottom of the gnome stack to fix 9722
[06:55] <robert_ancell> bug 9722
[06:55] <robert_ancell> good ubottu :)
[06:57] <pitti> robert_ancell: wow, a four-digit ubg!
[07:04] <Amaranth> whoa
[07:04] <Amaranth> I didn't think 4 digits bugs even existed :P
[07:08] <robert_ancell> 1 less :)
[07:27] <robert_ancell> do we still deliver the gnome cd player?  Is bug 22081 still relevant?
[08:22] <seb128> good morning there
[08:27] <didrocks> hello seb128
[08:27] <seb128> lut didrocks
[08:27] <seb128> hey chrisccoulson
[08:27] <chrisccoulson> good morning seb128
[08:27] <seb128> didrocks: how was sl?
[08:28] <crevette> good morning
[08:29] <seb128> lut crevette
[08:30] <didrocks> seb128: great, thanks! the canonical booth was impressive and I think they're quite happy with their new contacts they got. A lot of people also at our booth and I have no more voice now ;)
[08:35] <pitti> hey seb128
[08:35] <seb128> didrocks: excellent ;-)
[08:35] <seb128> hey pitti
[08:35] <pitti> seb128: FYI, I disabled deb-src in retracer chroots again; the xulrunner hangs drive me nuts
[08:35] <seb128> pitti: could you look at the g-s-t sponsoring request?
[08:35] <pitti> I want those to catch up first
[08:35] <pitti> seb128: can do
[08:36] <seb128> pitti: it's a one line change and seems fine but I would appreciate comment from somebody knowing the api used there
[08:36] <seb128> pitti: oh, it's deb-src specific?
[08:36] <pitti> seb128: well, without deb-src it won't attemt to generate SourceStacktrace and thus unpack source/apply patches
[08:36] <seb128> ah ok
[08:37] <seb128> yeah no issue, that's a nice thing to have but not especially important
[08:37] <pitti> hah!
[08:37] <pitti> seb128: yeah, I did the same timeout change in jockey
[08:37] <pitti> seb128: I'll have a deeper look/test/sponsor
[08:37] <seb128> pitti: thanks
[08:37] <pitti> but it looks good at first sight
[08:38] <seb128> I tried to clean the sponsor queue a bit yesterday and the day before
[08:38] <seb128> but I was not sure about this one
[08:43] <pitti> chrisccoulson: can you please forward the patch in bug 349361 to upstream?
[08:44] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i can do that
[08:44] <chrisccoulson> sorry, i didn't get round to doing that yet
[08:45] <pitti> no problem, just mentioning it
[08:45] <pitti> chrisccoulson: thanks for fixing this!
[08:46] <seb128> does DVD playing work for people there?
[08:47] <chrisccoulson> pitti - you're welcome
[08:47] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - with gstreamer?
[08:47] <seb128> or xine
[08:47] <seb128> bug #342890
[08:47] <seb128> it's marked as a libdvdread issue
[08:47] <chrisccoulson> i have to admit, i haven't tried that yet in Jaunty
[08:47] <seb128> I used to have the error but that works fine on my jaunty boxes now
[08:47] <seb128> I would like to get feedback from other users
[08:48] <seb128> the guy in this bug did changes he doesn't understand which seem to fix the issue he's having
[08:48] <seb128> ie he changed the build system used
[08:48] <seb128> I'm not sure it's a good idea to upload that
[08:48] <seb128> especially if DVD playing works for other users
[08:48] <didrocks> seb128: I can maybe try in my ppa to build the latest evolution-mapi svn trunk. There is one positive report: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=571579#c29
[08:49] <seb128> didrocks: you can do a svn snapshot to universe too
[08:49] <didrocks> seb128: I was thinking to propose people to test on my ppa first, before uploading to universe
[08:50] <seb128> didrocks: it seems just broken in universe I would not bother and upload directly
[08:50] <seb128> quicker feedback is good
[08:51] <seb128> not so many people will run your ppa and exchange
[08:51] <didrocks> seb128: ok, I will just first confirm the versionning scheme from svn when ready :)
[08:51] <seb128> you can add the svn diff to a patch in the debian directory
[08:52] <seb128> or use 2.26.0svn2009...
[08:52] <didrocks> seb128: which one is the better pratice for you?
[08:52] <didrocks> best*
[08:53] <seb128> I've been doing both
[08:53] <seb128> depends if the svn diff is trivial to apply (ie no need to autoreconf, etc)
[08:53] <seb128> I did the svn diff trick for gvfs and nautilus this week
[08:54] <didrocks> ok, let's see the changes from last tarball first
[09:30] <didrocks> seb128: there are also some fixes in openchange that may also be related to the fix
[09:30] <seb128> didrocks: 0.8.2 is on his way to debian
[09:31] <didrocks> seb128: ok, so, we will wait for fake-syncing once jelmer will do it :)
[10:44] <asac> bratsche: moin moin. could you please review your branches for nm-pplet an mark them merged/abandoned where appropriate? https://code.edge.launchpad.net/network-manager-applet
[10:45] <asac> bratsche: goal: make that branch list meaningful ;)
[10:45] <asac> gratias
[11:24] <lool> /usr/share/icons/Human/scalable/actions/system-log-out.png: broken symbolic link to `../apps/gnome-logout.png'
[11:27] <asac> why is a png in scalable?
[11:38] <mnemo> dpkg -L human-icon-theme | grep scalable | grep png
[11:39] <mnemo> return "/usr/share/icons/Human/scalable/actions/system-log-out.png"
[11:39] <mnemo> so it's not just the path that is wrong, the file seems placed wrong
[13:16] <Nafallo> kenvandine_wk: hiya. what was the result of the discussion about indicate-python's binary package name? :-)
[13:16] <kenvandine_wk> python-indicate
[13:19] <Nafallo> kenvandine_wk: I'll change gajim then. ta :-)
[13:20] <kenvandine_wk> thx
[13:21] <seb128> Nafallo: just curious but what makes you want to use gajim over other im we ship by default?
[13:21] <Nafallo> seb128: 1) I'm the maintainer, 2) it's the best jabber client out there.
[13:21] <kenvandine_wk> i don't really use gajim, but it is pretty nice
[13:22] <kenvandine_wk> i don't use it because it is jabber only :)
[13:22] <seb128> Nafallo: "best"? what do we need to change to pidgin or empathy to be as good?
[13:23] <Nafallo> seb128: to be honest with you I've tried neither of those for a long time :-)
[13:23] <seb128> ok, you are just fanboying something you are used to then ;-)
[13:23]  * kenvandine_wk wonders what part of "Lock to panel" makes the panel think i am happy about it moving my applets around
[13:23] <Nafallo> kenvandine_wk: that's what transports are for. :-)
[13:23] <seb128> kenvandine_wk: there is no such thing as panel locking
[13:24] <kenvandine_wk> it is an illusion
[13:24] <kenvandine_wk> i know
[13:24] <kenvandine_wk> i really hate the panel :)
[13:24] <mnemo> a lot of times gnome-panel moves around my icons and stuff after updates applied and reboot.... i find this really annoying
[13:24] <seb128> the bug is not specific to locking
[13:24] <mnemo> i thought it was just on my machine ;o
[13:24] <kenvandine_wk> mnemo: i know... it just happened to me
[13:24] <kenvandine_wk> decided to move my clock way out to the middle
[13:25] <seb128> weird
[13:25] <seb128> usually here it just swap order or things aligned
[13:25] <kenvandine_wk> well... it did
[13:25] <seb128> ie I've the fusa clock worskpace applets on the right and it switch some of those sometime
[13:25] <kenvandine_wk> just moved everything to the right of the clock
[13:25] <kenvandine_wk> i had several things on the left of it
[13:25] <seb128> that's not exactly the middle there
[13:25] <kenvandine_wk> now i have to unlock everything to move it back
[13:26] <seb128> right
[13:26] <seb128> blame vuntz ;-)
[13:26] <kenvandine_wk> everything is vuntz's fault
[13:26] <mnemo> in addition to "on update+reboot"... I think it happens when the resolution switches to a low res (like when you run an SDL game in 800x600 etc)
[13:26] <kenvandine_wk> or jcastro
[13:26] <kenvandine_wk> just because
[13:26] <seb128> mnemo: that's an another issue
[13:27] <mnemo> yea I guess
[13:27] <Nafallo> seb128: it's rather that it was the best when I started using it and I have never looked back :-)
[13:27] <seb128> Nafallo: what was better by then?
[13:28] <Nafallo> seb128: empathy didn't exist back then. and gaim had horrible jabber support.
[13:28] <seb128> in which sense?
[13:28] <seb128> it didn't manage to connect?
[13:28] <Nafallo> sometimes yes.
[13:28] <kenvandine_wk> seb128: it did use to suck at jabber
[13:28] <seb128> didn't send message or you didn't receive those?
[13:28] <kenvandine_wk> very unstable
[13:28] <seb128> kenvandine_wk: still not constructive
[13:28] <kenvandine_wk> and gaim was slow at supporting jabber
[13:28] <seb128> I'm trying to figure what need to be changed
[13:28] <Nafallo> crashes, unability to connect. messages not getting delivered. no support for server extensions etc etc etc.
[13:29] <kenvandine_wk> not be able to connect when other clients would
[13:29] <kenvandine_wk> or crash gaim
[13:29] <seb128> I didn't get crash or connection or message issues in a while
[13:29] <kenvandine_wk> for a while i used 2 clients to do aim and jabber
[13:29] <mnemo> whee, mesa7.4 just hit apt-get... im off testing it now.. bbl
[13:29] <kenvandine_wk> seb128: it has been many years
[13:29] <seb128> gaim is over 2 years old
[13:29] <seb128> can we have a revelant context?
[13:29] <seb128> that's not constructive comments
[13:30] <seb128> who cares about what used to happen 3 years ago
[13:30] <seb128> what I'm interested in is what we need to change now
[13:30] <kenvandine_wk> seb128: it isn't an issue now... and i use pidgin :)
[13:30] <Nafallo> seb128: like I said. I haven't tried pidgin recently. why would I change something that works perfectly well for me?
[13:30] <seb128> could you try?
[13:30] <seb128> I'm interested to know what we could fix for most users in the default install
[13:30] <seb128> not what used to suck years ago ;-)
[13:31] <seb128> just run it for a week and tell us what is buggy for you nowadays?
[13:31] <Nafallo> right. let's see if I can get it installed on halfling then.
[13:31] <kenvandine_wk> pidgin is good now... uses more memory than i want it too... but it is pretty good
[13:31] <seb128> that would be an useful experience
[13:31] <seb128> empathy would be worth trying to
[13:32] <seb128> we might consider it next cycle
[13:32] <Nafallo> a week... I could try it for out of bands testing, but I do like my logs in one place thanks :-P
[13:32] <seb128> it does video conferencing now too
[13:32] <seb128> Nafallo: ok, one hour if that's enough for you to get feedback ;-)
[13:32] <seb128> or create an another account for testing purpose
[13:33] <Zdra> seb128: and file transfer is almost ready for jabber now
[13:33] <seb128> so you get your logs in the same client and can play with it ;-)
[13:33] <seb128> Zdra: good to know ;-)
[13:33] <Nafallo> sounds more sensible. won't get transports tested, but more senseible :-)
[13:34] <Nafallo> (and if it can't handle transports it will be a no go until it does, just saying)
[13:35] <Zdra> seb128: it should work with next telepathy-gabble release. Empathy 2.26.0.1 is enough to make it work :)
[13:35] <seb128> cool
[13:35] <seb128> we will look at it next cycle again
[13:35] <Zdra> seb128: if it's not too late for jaunty, we could upgrade package...
[13:35] <seb128> we didn't want to do disruptive changes in jaunty to get a "stable" cycle
[13:36] <seb128> Zdra: I don't think it's too late to get telepathy-* bug fix versions
[13:36] <seb128> if they do other changes that need review
[13:36] <Zdra> seb128: well, next gabble will have FT support... that's huge code to review... :p
[13:36] <seb128> that's probably for karmic then ;-)
[13:37] <Zdra> seb128: yep, probably we'll just push that to our ppa
[13:40] <Nafallo> seb128: where do I set my priority? :-)
[13:40] <seb128> what is a priority?
[13:41] <Nafallo> seb128: a numerical value that tells the server to which logged in client to send the message. lowest prio wins IIRC.
[13:41] <seb128> urg
[13:42] <seb128> I use only one computer at time
[13:42] <seb128> and starting an IM usually disconnected other connected instances
[13:42] <seb128> so I get new messages there
[13:42] <seb128> dunno about this thing
[13:42] <Nafallo> yeah. well. I use two computers and a phone at the moment ;-)
[13:42] <seb128> and you receive messages on the 3 of those?
[13:43] <Nafallo> no. the one with the lowest priority. if it's the same priority on multiple, yes.
[13:43] <kenvandine_wk> I use 2... but no need to set priority
[13:43] <Nafallo> then it goes to all of them.
[13:43] <kenvandine_wk> new IMs go to both
[13:43] <kenvandine_wk> until i respond to one
[13:43] <kenvandine_wk> then it only goes to the one with the active chat
[13:43] <kenvandine_wk> which is perfect imho
[13:44] <seb128> Nafallo: ok, you are an IM junky, I didn't think that was possible and I don't think that scale with other protocols ;-)
[13:44] <Nafallo> seb128: hence why I only use jabber (with transports though, so I get the same love with other protocols)
[13:45] <Nafallo> being logged in to MSN from three places rocks :-)
[13:45] <seb128> if you say so
[13:45] <seb128> I've only 2 hands
[13:45] <kenvandine_wk> lol
[13:45] <seb128> and can be looking at one machine at time
[13:45] <Nafallo> OMG. you need more! ;-)
[13:45] <seb128> not really no ;-)
[13:45] <kenvandine_wk> pidgin seems to do the right thing there without needing to tweak things
[13:46] <seb128> geeks are weird sometime ;-)
[13:46] <Nafallo> seb128: it doesn't handle transports at all. it thinks my MSN transport is just another contact to talk to.
[13:46] <seb128> "let's be connected on 15 computer just because we can, still we use one but the other can be eating power for nothing" ;-)
[13:46] <seb128> I don't get the interest of the transport thing
[13:46] <seb128> pidgin connect msn server just fine
[13:47] <Nafallo> seb128: setting away on my laptop and go for a coffee brings new messages to my mobile. it makes perfect sense to do so.
[13:47]  * kenvandine_wk doesn't understand the need for a transport
[13:47] <Nafallo> seb128: the point is that I do not want to connect to msn from home (and a single location)
[13:47] <Nafallo> it's just messy.
[13:47] <kenvandine_wk> i guess i don't use msn... so don't really understand
[13:47] <kenvandine_wk> aim and jabber handle it fine
[13:47] <seb128> I use jabber, icq, msn
[13:47] <Nafallo> one ring to rule them all etc... ;-)
[13:48] <kenvandine_wk> and i use them both on 2 computers at the same time... works perfectly
[13:48] <seb128> but I'm not computer junky enough to do IM on my phone while getting coffee
[13:48] <kenvandine_wk> but maybe if i cared msn would not
[13:48] <seb128> I just take a 5 minutes break when getting coffee
[13:49] <Nafallo> hmm. can I get the XML Console in pidgin somewhere?
[13:49] <seb128> dunno what that is
[13:49] <seb128> forget about pidgin you are weirdo and not a normal user apparently ;-)
[13:49] <Nafallo> the raw XML from what the client talks to the server about.
[13:49] <Nafallo> good for debugging.
[13:50] <seb128> you can probably telnet the server on the right port
[13:50] <Nafallo> hehe :-P
[13:50] <seb128> because that's what our users care about for sure
[13:50] <Nafallo> some do, yes :-)
[13:50] <seb128> being able to "get the  xml console in their client"
[13:50] <Nafallo> power users... but meh :-)
[13:50] <seb128> I tend to think I'm a power user ;-)
[13:50] <Nafallo> can I edit the privacy lists on the server? :-)
[13:51] <seb128> but I never feel the need to print xml raw datas for my im conversation in daily use ;-)
[13:51] <seb128> you like to read the matrix right
[13:51] <seb128> get messages in hex format, chars would be too easy to read? ;-)
[13:52] <seb128> but anything thanks
[13:52] <kenvandine_wk> hehe
[13:52] <seb128> that was instructive
[13:52] <seb128> now I know that your issue is not a normal user one
[13:52] <seb128> you just need special things normal users don't need about
[13:53] <seb128> which is fair but doesn't interest me really ;-)
[13:53] <Nafallo> well. I'd say there is a significant use case in transports, but meh.
[13:53] <seb128> ie highly protocol and technical specific things
[13:53] <seb128> transport is not something user know or care about
[13:53] <Nafallo> it is a different way of doing things, I agree with that :-)
[13:53] <seb128> they add their msn, icq, jabber, irc, yahoo, etc account
[13:53] <seb128> and connect
[13:53] <seb128> and use
[13:53] <seb128> they don't care about raw xml things
[13:54] <seb128> I don't get the need for raw xml if you are not hacking on the soft really
[13:54] <Nafallo> hmm. how about controlling the server for the admin users? :-)
[13:54] <seb128> but if you like that it's your thing ;-)
[13:54] <Nafallo> how do I set the MOTD in pidgin? :-)
[13:54] <seb128> I don't understand what you talk about
[13:54] <seb128> I've contacts in my list
[13:55] <seb128> MOTD is a command line unix thing?
[13:55] <seb128> admin what?
[13:55] <seb128> an IM is usually a thing where you add contact and message theme
[13:55] <seb128> them
[13:55] <Nafallo> message of the day. an admin of the jabber server can set one that will get sent to users when they log in to the server.
[13:55] <seb128> bless you
[13:55] <seb128> so it autopen a weird dialog when getting online?
[13:55] <seb128> no thanks
[13:56] <Nafallo> irc does as well ;-)
[13:56] <seb128> and that's why I don't use an IM to connect IRC
[13:56] <Nafallo> ;-)
[13:56] <seb128> I don't want weird dialog opening when I just get online
[13:56] <kenvandine_wk> doesn't for me :)
[13:56] <Nafallo> it's not weird at all :-)
[13:56] <seb128> yeah
[13:56] <Nafallo> kenvandine_wk: that's because the MOTD wasn't set :-)
[13:57] <seb128> it's just "please give some money so we can get the service running"
[13:57] <seb128> no thanks
[13:57] <Nafallo> it can be whatever you set :-)
[13:57] <seb128> such things should not be allowed ;-)
[13:57] <seb128> yeah, I'm not interested
[13:57] <seb128> not having those displayed is a feature
[13:57] <Nafallo> "I hate you guys and will run an automatic DDoS if you connect again"
[13:57] <seb128> and setting messages seem an admin thing to me not a client one
[13:57] <Nafallo> stuff liek that :-)
[13:58] <seb128> it's like saying "does thunderbird allows me to add user accounts to the server"
[13:58] <seb128> no ... should it?
[13:59] <Nafallo> ehrm. you lost me there I'm afraid.
[13:59] <seb128> setting a MOTD on a server is a admin thing
[13:59] <kenvandine_wk> Nafallo: admin of the server shouldn't be from the client
[13:59] <seb128> as is adding an account
[13:59] <seb128> there is no reason why clients should have that option
[14:00] <seb128> it's adding noise for 99.9% of users
[14:00]  * Nafallo shrugs
[14:00] <kenvandine_wk> Nafallo: gajim is good for you :)
[14:00] <seb128> Nafallo: but you convinced me to not recommend gajim to users ;-)
[14:00] <kenvandine_wk> and it doesn't have a nice UI... but it is more complex than i care to use day to day... and not multi-protocol which is a non-starter for me
[14:00] <seb128> it's apparently that sort of thing which has a many option that the whole GNOME
[14:00] <kenvandine_wk> but i am glad it supports the indicator now :)
[14:01] <Nafallo> seb128: sure. I recommend it to new users. it's pretty, easy to work with and gets users added benefits would they want them :-)
[14:01] <Nafallo> seb128: have you tried it though? :-)
[14:02] <Nafallo> kenvandine_wk: it doesn't try to be multi-protocol. it's a jabber client. plain and simple.
[14:02] <seb128> Nafallo: some time ago, I didn't find it adding anything over pidgin
[14:02] <kenvandine_wk> Nafallo: yeah... which isn't very useful for most people
[14:02] <seb128> or anything that I'm using
[14:02] <seb128> I'm not admin of any server
[14:02] <kenvandine_wk> jabber is still not the most common
[14:02] <seb128> doesn't set MOTD
[14:02] <seb128> and doesn't print raw xml in my IM dialogs
[14:02] <Nafallo> kenvandine_wk: I've introduced friends to it that quite happily added transports :-)
[14:02] <kenvandine_wk> Nafallo: my 76 year old mother doesn't know what transports are :)
[14:03] <seb128> Nafallo: you would have introduced them to pidgin and added non transport account there they would be as happy I expect
[14:03] <Nafallo> seb128: oh. you misunderstood that one. it's not raw XML in the dialogs. it's a console to get the raw XML being sent and received from the client.
[14:03] <seb128> Nafallo: sure something luser are asking for every day ;-)
[14:04] <seb128> I don't think I ever felt the need for that
[14:04] <seb128> seems to be a hacker debug mode to me rather than an IM feature
[14:04] <Nafallo> some of those tried pidgin first and for some reason or the other didn't like it. I didn't get into details considering I hadn't used it myself :-)
[14:04] <seb128> you seem to want to mix everything
[14:04] <seb128> ie user, admin and debug feature in the same interface
[14:04] <Nafallo> kenvandine_wk: my 50isch old mother doesn't know what IM accounts are...
[14:05] <seb128> I don't think it's the way to go
[14:05] <seb128> debug mode and admin should be non standard options
[14:05] <seb128> they just confuse users
[14:05] <kenvandine_wk> Nafallo: my mom uses aim and msn
[14:05] <seb128> and people who need those are able to use a command line
[14:05] <Nafallo> kenvandine_wk: kewl :-)
[14:05] <kenvandine_wk> and she configured pidgin to do it by herself :)
[14:06] <seb128> Nafallo: I don't think your view or what user expect from an im client is good ;-)
[14:06] <kenvandine_wk> i gauge things that should be default in a distro on if she can figure it out on her own :)
[14:07] <Nafallo> seb128: I don't really care what users expect. I'm quite happy using a proper jabber client that implements whatever new technologies gets specifications in jabber, and if other's want the same; I'm happy supplying that option :-)
[14:07] <seb128> Nafallo: anyway thanks for the feedback, I think we have discussed it enough
[14:08] <Nafallo> and no. I'm not aiming to have gajim as default :-)
[14:08] <seb128> Nafallo: wel that was my point
[14:08] <seb128> Nafallo: "using a proper jabber client that implements whatever new technologies gets specifications in jabber"
[14:08] <seb128> Nafallo: do you know about any specification other clients don't implement
[14:08] <seb128> and I'm not speaking about doing server admin through your client
[14:08] <seb128> just user side
[14:09] <seb128> I don't really care if you IM has a webmin mode to admin your server ;-)
[14:09] <Nafallo> http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0030.html
[14:22] <kenvandine_wk> morning rickspencer3
[14:22] <rickspencer3> morning kenvandine_wk
[14:22] <rickspencer3> how's everyone doing?
[14:23] <kenvandine_wk> good
[14:23] <kenvandine_wk> see my mail yet?
[14:23] <pitti> rickspencer3: how was your trip?
[14:24] <rickspencer3> I it was fine
[14:24] <rickspencer3> thanks for asking
[14:24] <rickspencer3> the flying/work ratio was a tad high
[14:24] <kenvandine_wk> day trips are hard that way :/
[14:24] <rickspencer3> but it was a really good sessions with jono, which was much more productive for being face to face
[14:25] <kenvandine_wk> good
[14:25] <rickspencer3> Also, I got some kick ass noodles for lunch
[14:25] <rickspencer3> :)
[14:25] <rickspencer3> got home laaate, so a bit tired today
[14:26] <rickspencer3> how are you guys holding up wrt to final freeze being four working days away?
[14:26] <seb128> hey rickspencer3
[14:26] <rickspencer3> seb128: 'morning
[14:27] <pitti> *shudder* :)
[14:27] <rickspencer3> seb128: I read quite a few of them ;)
[14:50] <james_w> it seems indicator-applet might be like that drunk guy in a bar, it seems to try to talk to every process that connects to dbus, but most just ignore it
[14:53] <mnemo> haha =)
[14:58] <kenvandine_wk> asac: is there really a translation issue with bug 338389
[14:58] <kenvandine_wk> looking at the patch, the strings didn't change at all, just the order they are displayed
[15:07] <asac> kenvandine_wk: there is no issue with that particular one
[15:08] <asac> kenvandine_wk: we have a few other string changes .... you can see them in the dx patches in the packages
[15:09] <kenvandine_wk> humm
[15:09] <kenvandine_wk> do you know which ones?
[15:10] <kenvandine_wk> that was the bug i was pointed at
[15:12] <asac> kenvandine_wk: lp330571_dxteam_wired_connect_text.patch lp330608_dxteam_gsm_connect_text.patch lp341684_device_sensitive_disconnect_notify.patch
[15:13]  * kenvandine_wk was just greping for _( :)
[15:20] <asac> kenvandine_wk: what are you trying to do with those now?
[15:20] <kenvandine_wk> checking to see if the translations are done...
[15:20] <asac> babelfish?
[15:20] <asac> ;)
[15:20] <asac> ah
[15:20] <asac> ok
[15:20] <kenvandine_wk> if they aren't, we have another plan
[15:20] <kenvandine_wk> but need to make the call today
[15:20] <asac> good good
[15:20]  * kenvandine_wk is downloading the latest delta
[15:21]  * kenvandine_wk wishes there was an easier way to check
[15:21] <kenvandine_wk> rosetta doesn't give us a % translated?
[15:21] <asac> kenvandine_wk: i think there is a way to bump priority for certain strings in rosetta ... so translators get that offered on top if they want to do random work.
[15:22] <asac> kenvandine_wk: % translated? just for all strings in distro, not for packages i think
[15:22] <asac> https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+source/network-manager-applet
[15:22] <kenvandine_wk> asac: for example... i can pick one of these strings and check in a particular lang
[15:22] <kenvandine_wk> but
[15:22] <asac> https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty/+source/network-manager-applet
[15:22] <kenvandine_wk> what about all the languages?
[15:22] <asac> this one: https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty/+source/network-manager-applet/+pots/nm-applet
[15:23] <asac> the last is about all languages
[15:23] <asac> not sure how to parse that page though
[15:23] <asac> i guess its not helpful for this purpose
[15:23] <kenvandine_wk> right... so how do decide these strings we changed are translated in enough languages?
[15:24] <asac> let me translate german
[15:28] <kenvandine_wk> yeah, it looks like they aren't translated in pt_BR
[15:29] <asac> ok german is now complete
[15:29] <kenvandine_wk> great
[15:29] <kenvandine_wk> spanish has been done
[15:30] <kenvandine_wk> i just don't know how to make the decision it is done enough :)
[15:30] <bratsche> asac: Okay done!
[15:31] <asac> bratsche: thanks
[15:31] <kenvandine_wk> asac: do we have any guideline for making the decision?
[15:31] <asac> kenvandine_wk: done enough == no missing translations
[15:31] <kenvandine_wk> es is done but pt_BR isn't
[15:32] <asac> kenvandine_wk: pt_BR is important
[15:32] <kenvandine_wk> ok... so 100%
[15:32] <kenvandine_wk> agreed
[15:32] <asac> we have kind of a list of first tier languages
[15:32] <kenvandine_wk> i always check 1st
[15:32] <asac> pitti: where was the list we use to decide which translations get on the CD again?
[15:32] <asac> iirc, there was a priority list ... which probably is a good base to decide which languages are top prio
[15:32] <mnemo> i've stopped getting notifications about new updates... is that because update-manager waits a long time before telling me about non-security updates?
[15:33] <asac> mnemo: yes.
[15:33] <asac> once a week i think
[15:33] <pitti> asac: priority_langs in http://bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Eubuntu-langpack/langpack-o-matic/main/annotate/head%3A/langpacksize
[15:33] <asac> kenvandine_wk: ^^
[15:33] <kenvandine_wk> pitti: thx
[15:33] <asac> kenvandine_wk: so pt and zh need two languages for sure
[15:33] <mnemo> asac: for the stable release, this is great but won't you want to to check more often during pre-release dev builds (i.e. for jaunty)... i mean you want feedback on new uploads asap?
[15:34] <kenvandine_wk> yeah
[15:34]  * kenvandine_wk loops through them to see how we look
[15:34] <asac> mnemo: not sure. i dont have a problem with the current behaviour ... but then, i run apt-get dist-upgrade ;)
[15:34] <asac> mnemo: personally i think that the behaviour should reflect the future stable behaviour
[15:35] <asac> as testing that is what the development release is about more or less
[15:35] <rickspencer3> bug 339555
[15:36] <zslashz> it detects cd normally, but cant do same for dvd
[15:36] <asac> argh. phantom panel again ;)
[15:37] <zslashz> and i dont mean a dvd movie or so..just an empty dvd
[15:37] <zslashz> any ideas people
[15:37] <zslashz> ?
[15:38] <asac> i stopped using CDs/DVDs long ago ;)
[15:39] <asac> not really sure how gnome probes whether a CD/DVD is empty
[15:41] <zslashz> hmmm/...:(
[15:41] <asac> germany sucks so much
[15:41] <asac> "This video is not available in your country. "
[15:41] <asac> e.g. all music videos banned on youtube.com
[15:44] <pitti> bryce: in today's release team meeting, bug 339555 and bug 337608 were pointed out to be important; could you please look at them next week, or delegate to someone else?
[15:58] <kenvandine_wk> ArneGoetje: ping
[16:01] <ArneGoetje> kenvandine_wk: pong
[16:01] <kenvandine_wk> ArneGoetje: we have some string changes from the dxteam in nm-applet
[16:01] <kenvandine_wk> what is the best way to check the translation status?
[16:02]  * kenvandine_wk downloaded them and ran grep :)
[16:04] <ArneGoetje> kenvandine_wk: you mean overall translation status? like this: https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty/+source/network-manager-applet/+pots/nm-applet ?
[16:04] <kenvandine_wk> no, for specific strings
[16:04] <kenvandine_wk> i have a handful of strings we changed
[16:05] <ArneGoetje> kenvandine_wk: I think we don't have any mechanism for seeing all languages on string level.
[16:05] <kenvandine_wk> ok
[16:05] <kenvandine_wk> thx
[16:05] <ArneGoetje> np
[16:45] <pitti> mvo: could you please have a quick look at bug 352307, to confirm that I understood update-notifier update notes correctly?
[16:46] <pitti> mvo: (in the sense that they aren't really what I want for this case)
[17:41] <pitti> bye everyone, I'm off to SF!
[20:37] <YokoZar> So there's a regression in gnome-codec-install that probably needs some attention (it doesn't find the bad codecs)
[20:45] <mvo> YokoZar: oh, do you have a example?
[20:45] <YokoZar> mvo: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-codec-install/+bug/349607
[20:45]  * mvo looks
[20:45] <YokoZar> I know xvid does it
[20:46] <YokoZar> User has xvid-encoded foo.avi and codec install can't find it
[20:47] <mvo> YokoZar: ok, I will go and see if I can find a xvid file on the net
[20:48] <YokoZar> mvo: there's an obvious joke about video files on the internet here...
[20:49] <mnemo> some nice xvid files here --> http://ftp.heanet.ie/mirrors/fosdem-video/2009/maintracks/
[20:52] <mvo> YokoZar: heh :) its harder than it looks, so much spam/fishing sites if you type video
[20:52] <mvo> mnemo: thanks, that looks good
[20:57] <mvo> hm, so -ffmpeg and -ugly seems to be fine for the fodem-videos - looks like I need to find anohter example that actually uses "bad"
[21:01] <mnemo> mvo: www.ted.com often offers zipped .mp4 videos and channel9.msnd.com has .wmv
[21:01] <mnemo> not sure if those are -bad though
[21:02] <mnemo> http://channel9.msdn.com/
[21:05] <dobey> ironsky.net has a few videos, though i don't know what codec they are in. and all the HD stuff on youtube is h264 mp4 i think
[21:05] <mvo> mnemo: thanks, the zipped mp4 uses bad and works
[21:05] <mvo> dobey: thanks, checking that out now
[21:06] <dobey> iron sky looks hilarious, but probably won't make it to germany
[21:06] <mvo> meh, what is channel9 the official propaganda channel?
[21:07] <mnemo> yes
[21:07] <mnemo> well it's the developer targetted propaganda they also have other similar sites for BDMs etc
[21:07] <mvo> dobey: I hit ironsky.com first, that looks "interessting"
[21:08] <dobey> heh
[21:08] <mvo> hm, looks all good too
[21:10] <dobey> i wish there were more HD videos to download
[21:11] <mvo> I'm not sure how well this film would work in germany ;)
[21:11] <dobey> yeah
[21:12] <dobey> i think german law would sort of prevent it from being shown :P
[21:13] <mvo> that too :)