[00:00] I don't mind, I can easily munge it to fix that. More interested in the question about the other shadow tools [00:00] Looking at them now [00:00] Don't see anything that jumps out at me, I just need to skim usermod before I say yes [00:01] well, put it this way, I know that some of them will suffer from the same kind of bug, but want to know whether we care :) [00:01] cjwatson, usermod doesn't, userdel doesn't care [00:02] passwd is the only other one [00:02] It probably has the same issue [00:02] chpasswd? [00:02] we use that in the installer [00:02] no, just regular password [00:02] *passwd [00:02] Oh [00:02] ILet me check both [00:02] ./src/chpasswd.c:324: long now = time ((long *) 0) / (24L * 3600L); [00:02] Anything that will update the password field might be affected [00:02] and later on: [00:02] newsp.sp_lstchg = now; [00:03] Yeah, that would do it [00:03] Same with passwd.c [00:03] Sorry, I had a brainfart and forgot to check the rest :-/ [00:03] libmisc/pwd2spwd.c, src/newusers.c, and src/pwconv.c too [00:04] though I doubt that those would actually be used in practice === ScriptRipper_ is now known as ScriptRipper [00:04] (in this kind of context) [00:04] Does GDM gracefully handle password changes? [00:04] Actually [00:04] well, not used in the installer, but of course somebody could call them by hand [00:04] no idea but it uses PAM [00:04] if you change your passwd on 01-01-1970, it could be a problem [00:05] Because it could get stuck always prompting you to change the password until the clock is changed [00:05] * NCommander would run into that problem on a Babbage board with a broken RTC [00:05] Let me respin the patch [00:06] This probably should go upstream [00:06] change your password> well, right, hence why passwd needs to be fixed [00:06] go upstream> yes, please do send it [00:16] cjwatson, I've got passwd, and chpasswd fixed [00:31] dendrobates: who's responsible for bug #347622? marked critical, no assignee? [00:31] Launchpad bug 347622 in eucalyptus "in SYSTEM mode, VM ips are not automatically discovered by CC or NC on switched networks" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/347622 === Snova_ is now known as Snova [00:34] cjwatson, here's my current debdiff http://paste.ubuntu.com/143165/ [00:35] * NCommander is not sure how that bug meets the definition of an Ubuntu critical bug ... [00:39] NCommander: still has the tab damage [00:40] NCommander: and the duplicate patch file [00:40] pitti: would it be reasonable/appropriate to work around bug #336055 by forcing an iwlist wlan0 in pm-utils resume.d? (I've considered doing this locally, since it's what I end up typing at the commandline after each resume anyway :P) [00:40] Launchpad bug 336055 in linux "Wifi driver fixes for age scan" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/336055 [00:41] cjwatson, WTF? ... [00:41] argh [00:42] cjwatson, are we looking at the same patch? [00:42] oh wait [00:42] I'm a freaking idiot [00:47] cjwatson, http://paste.ubuntu.com/143171/ - I apologize, I'm freaking fried. Tab damage properly fixed, testing now [00:51] NCommander: couple more bits of tab damage in passwd.c and newusers.c, but I can fix those - just in case you're sending upstream [00:52] cjwatson, I'll get it. I thought I nailed all the tab damage. What are you using to see it? (I turned on the vi tab ... thingy which highlights the difference) [00:52] NCommander: rest looks fine [00:53] NCommander: I'm just looking at the URL you posted, you can see it by the alignment [00:53] Its been too many hours in the day :-/ [00:54] no worries [00:54] like I say, can fix it up at my end if your tests pass [00:54] as a general rule of thumb, I perfer to fix it on my end. [00:55] * NCommander hates pushing work onto other's people plates [00:55] sure, I don't like making people respin for trivial whitespace changes either though :) [00:55] cjwatson, where is upstream for shadow anyway? [00:56] NCommander: a list on alioth.d.o apparently; README has details [00:56] calc: can you explain to me the difference between myspell-en-us and hunspell-en-us? [00:57] * NCommander orders dinner while this builds [00:58] calc: bug 327821 appears to be because (a) myspell-en-us is installed as part of desktop, presumably due to a dependency from (lots of stuff) -> hunspell -> myspell-en-us | myspell-dictionary | hunspell-dictionary; (b) language-support-writing-en Depends: hunspell-en-us which Replaces: and Conflicts: myspell-en-us [00:58] Launchpad bug 327821 in livecd-rootfs "residual config in myspell-en-us after fresh install" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/327821 [00:59] *sighs* [00:59] calc: the Replaces and Conflicts seems to suggest that hunspell-en-us is considered better in some way, but in that case I'm curious why it isn't hunspell's preferred alternative [00:59] I'm really fried, I just put my name where the credit card number supposed to go ... [01:02] * NCommander found a bug ... [01:04] dudes! dudes! I've been trying out the latest version of ubuntu 9.04 beta, which i upgraded to some days ago.. and out of nowhere the mouse went crazy and started to move around all by itself clicking everywhere! it even copypasted text all around between windows!! [01:05] reduz, physical mouse, or laptop touchpad? [01:05] physical regular everyday mouse [01:05] the pointer, of course, i'm not drunk :) [01:05] killed X (exited session) and started again and now it's fine [01:05] reduz, I think he meant was it a normal mouse or trackpad; I've had that issue with trackpads, but I haven't seen it with a normal mouse [01:06] I find that once in a blue moon a mouse button gets stuck, and I need to whack random buttons a few times to unstick it [01:06] ah yeah it's a regular standard $10 optical mouse [01:06] * NCommander does a rmmod psmouse && modprobe psmouse to get his laptop's trackpad going again [01:06] * TheMuso has had control/shift/alt buttons sticking, not physically, but in the computer's memory a fair bit, but thats often been a11y related./ [01:06] but here it's like, the mouse cursor starts moving by itself pushing all buttons [01:06] only restarting X fixed it [01:06] TheMuso, can't be as bad my old laptop [01:06] TheMuso, having -8 memory errors is a bad thing :-) [01:07] NCommander: SOunds like it. [01:07] if it happens again, any idea what kind of info i can collect to pinpoint the problem? [01:08] cjwatson, chpasswd works, but it spits out a warning each time it updates a user so I need to move the warning code; same with pwconv. Will ubiquity freak out if there is any strerr output? [01:08] NCommander: if ubiquity cares about the presence of stderr output in any way, it's a bug and I'll fix it [01:08] it shouldn't [01:08] cjwatson, also, recommendations on how to better phrase the warning? [01:08] (or print it?) [01:08] it seemed OK to me [01:08] It comes out like: [01:08] ystem clock set to Januar [01:08] ield will be omitted from [01:08] l be disabled on this acc [01:08] ... [01:09] copy and paste failure [01:34] Hey, is this the right channel to ask about packaging a certain open source program? [01:36] nohup: #ubuntu-motu is better. [01:40] ScottK, what does motu mean? [01:41] It means that's a better channel to ask about packaging a certain open source program. [01:42] nohup: Masters Of The Universe. :) Packagers, though I'm not certain exactly what they do. [01:43] haha, thanks Snova. [01:45] nohup: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU [01:47] thanks akgraner [01:48] nohup: your welcome.. [01:50] * TheMuso likes Xubuntu's login artwork/layout change. === Sikon is now known as LucidFox === Snova_ is now known as Snova [02:40] TheMuso, your running Xubuntu? [02:41] cjwatson, if your still awake, I posted a revised debdiff, tested to make sure it works as expected, and testbuilt in pbuilder. I also made sure the warning one printed once :-) === pgraner is now known as pgraner-zzzz [02:48] NCommander: just looking at a few things a11y wise. === hyperair_ is now known as hyperair [04:22] cjwatson: looking [04:26] cjwatson: the only difference appears to be that myspell-en-us has iceape/icedove/iceweasel in the dictionary [04:27] cjwatson: looks like we could drop hunspell-en-us afaict [04:27] well there is also a file naming difference in /usr/share/myspell/infos/ooo/(blah)-en-us [04:29] cjwatson: 4 files changed, 7 insertions(+), 1 deletion(-) [04:29] cjwatson: that was after deleting the doc dir which had the debian changelog, etc [04:30] cjwatson: i messaged rene to see if he knows why it still exists as a package, doesn't seem to have any real use [04:30] one of the two probably should cease to exist, but i am not sure which one he would choose, heh [05:31] hi === bluesmoke_ is now known as Amaranth [06:13] Good morning [06:13] pitti: any thoughts on 346846 ? hal shows my esata luks partition, but I don't get prompted for it. *scratch head* [06:13] kirkland: I'll get to it today [06:14] pitti: oh! I wasn't expecting you to be up yet! :) [06:14] good morning. :) [06:15] slangasek: ah, I'm bitten by this as well; an iwlist is fairly harmless (as opposed to some ifdown/ifup hacks we did in the past), so I'm all for it [06:15] kees: good morning! early bird catches the worm :) [06:15] pitti: indeed! :) [06:15] and I still have a ton of stuff to do before I leave for the LF summit [06:17] kees: ah, you can reproduce it? [06:17] kees: is that only for esata, or also for USB disks? [06:17] pitti: yes. if I plug in this drive via USB, I am prompted. via esata, I'm not. [06:17] kees: od you get an icon on the desktop/computer place? [06:18] kees: my gut feeling is that it is detected as an internal, non-removable disk [06:18] kees: look at the lshal stanza, .hotpluggable/.removable [06:18] pitti: I don't get any icon for esata. (lshal shows the raw luks partition, though) [06:18] kees, do you work on update-manager? [06:19] ka6sox-work: nope, sorry. [06:19] pitti: I don't see those two items. [06:19] so guys [06:20] I put elevator=as on my kernel command line in Jaunty [06:20] pitti: I can't say if it worked in earlier alphas (as the original reporter says) [06:20] Jaunty now has ceased to behave like Windows Vista on a 486 with 32 megs of RAM [06:20] kees: these are on the device (sda), not on the partition (sda1) [06:20] i.e. it's actually usable and not lagging like hell [06:20] pitti: if I try "gnome-mount" from the command line, it always fails. [06:20] kees: storage.hotpluggable and storage.removable [06:20] pitti: ah! one sec [06:20] apparently CFQ is now total garbage. Should I file this as a bug? [06:21] pitti: har har: storage.hotpluggable = false (bool) [06:21] storage.removable = false (bool) [06:21] storage.removable.media_available = true (bool) [06:21] kees: that's it then [06:21] kees: can you please paste this to the bug? [06:22] pitti: the sde stanza? [06:22] yes [06:23] bluefoxicy: you'd proably get more traction on kernel performance in #ubuntu-kernel, during whatever counts as business hours [06:23] kees: does gnome-mount -vbd /dev/sde1 work? [06:23] pwnguin: possibly [06:23] kees: (please paste the output to the bug, too) [06:24] hm [06:24] rg.freedesktop.Hal.Device.PermissionDeniedByPolicy : org.freedesktop.hal.storage.crypto-setup-fixed auth_admin_keep_always <-- (action, result) [06:28] pitti: oh, dur. "sudo gnome-mount ..." worked [06:30] kees: are you watching bug 352779? Mind if I assign it to you for now? [06:30] Launchpad bug 352779 in dhcp3 "Bad MTU for eth0 in 9.04 amd64" [High,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/352779 [06:31] kees: argh, DSL reconnect; did you say something after my "please attach hal debug output"? [06:32] sbeattie: sure, no problem. [06:32] pitti: yeah, I realized I needed to do "sudo gnome-mount ..." after seeing: org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.PermissionDeniedByPolicy : org.freedesktop.hal.storage.crypto-setup-fixed auth_admin_keep_always <-- (action, result) [06:35] kees: you shouldn't really [06:35] kees: it should ask you for admin password through policykit [06:36] pitti: it doesn't seem to do that -- it just wanted the luks password [06:38] kees: it works with sudo? [06:38] pitti: yup [06:38] kees: I'm interested in the hal output for both cases (sudo and user) [06:38] interesting [06:39] pitti: hal output from what? [06:39] kees: the hal debugging output [06:39] didn't that come through any more? [06:39] you mean the gnome-mount output? [06:39] kees: can you please do this again with a hal debu [06:39] gging output (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingHal#How%20to%20file) and attach i [06:39] t? [06:39] oh! I never saw that. [06:40] kees: tomorrow I have to get up at 4:30 am, good time to reset my dsl router to have the reconnect in the middle of the night henceforth :) [06:41] kees: I just tried mounting an unencrypted internal partition as user, and it worked (through PK), so it seems the issue is only with luks encrypted ones [06:41] that sounds tractable to fix [06:41] cool. [06:41] kees: so, please submit the hal debugging output, for both non-sudo and sudo gnome-mount [06:42] kees: and also supply the output of "gnome-mount -vbud /dev/sde1" (-u -> unmount), which should work as normal user; if not, try again with root [06:42] okay -- is it sane to restart hal several times while I have Xorg running? [06:42] kees: yes, you can restart hal without problems [06:42] kees: but once in debugging mode you can just leave it running [06:42] no need to restart between above attempts [06:42] kees: just don't touch dbus [06:42] okay, let me collect that stuff. [06:42] heh [06:45] hello? [06:46] Even as we speak, ubuntu is downloading (utorrent, pretty good speed) and I may need just a little assistance [06:46] good morning [06:46] To set up the dual boot [06:47] Basically, there are two hard drives - one win xp and the other empty except for my data backup files [06:48] i partitioned the almost empty drive into the data backup (5 gigs) and the unused space [06:48] it would be nice if ubuntu would install into the unused part of the backup disk [06:48] will there be any problems? [06:49] Because it is going into only part of a drive it will probably be a 'manual install.' [06:50] from my previous experience with linux it needs three partitions. Still True? [06:50] showers: did you try asking in #ubuntu? [06:51] will have to do the iso burn thing first, and all that. The only thing which gave me trouble ... eh? asking in ubuntu, you say? Well, to be sure. [06:52] join/#ubuntu [06:52] join #ubuntu [06:53] #ubuntu [06:53] /join #ubuntu [06:53] of course. thanks [06:54] pitti: okay, everything attached. [06:57] bryce, tjaalton: will you guys take care of 352335 and bug 326050? [06:57] Launchpad bug 326050 in xserver-xorg-input-vmmouse "vmmouse is out of date" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/326050 [06:57] bug [06:57] bug 352335 [06:57] Launchpad bug 352335 in xserver-xorg-input-acecad "FTBFS due to xserver-1.6" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/352335 [07:01] dholbach: timo has been afk due to ill children [07:01] dholbach: sure [07:01] hehe [07:01] back :) [07:01] wb :-) [07:01] ill children will almost certainly end up with an ill timo [07:02] * dholbach hugs the dynamic duo :) [07:02] Amaranth: maybe after the incubation time is over ;) [07:09] bryce, tjaalton: and bug 317127 too :) [07:09] Launchpad bug 317127 in xf86-input-evtouch "evtouch calibrate tool does not detect mouse position" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/317127 [07:10] ivoks: do you know who usually takes care of ebox stuff? [07:10] ivoks: it seems the upstream maintainer is looking for a sponsor: bug 345150 and bug 350452 [07:10] Launchpad bug 345150 in network-manager-openvpn "network-manager-openvpn fails if "System setting" checked in Intrepid" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/345150 [07:10] Launchpad bug 350452 in ebox-usersandgroups "custom LDAP ACLs are not set properly" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/350452 [07:10] ivoks: he seems to be a good guy, knowing his way around [07:11] dholbach: why these bugs in particular? [07:11] bryce: they're all on the sponsors list [07:12] bryce: I guess because they have patches [07:12] ahh [07:12] dholbach: hm... [07:12] the FTBFS' should be synced, although they need a FFe [07:12] ivoks: sorry, the first one should have been bug 354150 [07:12] Launchpad bug 354150 in ebox-samba "samba tries to start TLS on unix socket" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/354150 [07:12] hum, weird, I *just* went through harvest yesterday top to bottom sponsoring patches, odd I didn't run across those [07:12] hiya ttx [07:13] hey dholbach ! [07:13] ttx: do you know anything about bug 345562 and the progress there? [07:13] Launchpad bug 345562 in netbeans "Add important patches for NetBeans 6.5 in Jaunty" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/345562 [07:14] dholbach: no, but I can have a look. [07:14] super [07:14] dholbach: server team does it, there's no one particulary responsible for it, iirc [07:14] ah ok [07:15] tjaalton: you doing evtouch and vmmouse both, or should I take one or the other? [07:15] bryce: I can take care of them [07:15] thanks [07:17] dholbach: javier is upstream, so i would trust his patches :) [07:17] ivoks: yeah, I noticed - so will you sponsor them? :) [07:17] dholbach: sure [07:18] I'm trying to get http://people.ubuntu.com/~dholbach/sponsoring/ down to 0 :) [07:18] we're doing quite good actually [07:18] dholbach: re:netbeans at first glance it looks relatively harmless but I don't know anything about netbeans... I know persia does [07:18] ttx: I think he's travelling atm [07:18] dholbach: ok. i'll put that on my TODO. [07:19] pitti: ok; if rtg & pgraner don't have a better idea how to fix it for release, then let's do that [07:19] * ttx is just back from a 3-day presence at the Paris SolutionsLinux expo [07:19] dholbach: so I have a large backlog. [07:19] slangasek: do you have time to work on that? I'm on the LF summit next week, and still have a ton to get done today [07:19] * dholbach hugs ttx [07:19] pitti: I can probably poke at it over the weekend; as I said, I was already pondering hacking it together for myself :) [07:20] ah, splendid [07:21] superm1: does bug 352572 make sense? [07:21] Launchpad bug 352572 in mythtv-status "Please move mythtv packages that depend on libmyth-perl (multiverse) to multiverse" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/352572 === tkamppeter_ is now known as tkamppeter === hyperair1 is now known as hyperair === hyperair1 is now known as hyperair [08:04] cjwatson: not sure if you have noticed already, but grub-pc package is not on alternate CD images. Let me know if I should file a bug for this. [08:16] slytheri1: it's intentional to only include in on the DVD; does this cause a problem? [08:38] lifeless: Do you remember when I was complaining about evolution thrashing the disc for 30 minutes at a time, and you said (a) that there was a bug filed upstream and (b) that it was fixed in trunk? I can't seem to find the bug, and it's not fixed in Ubuntu :) [08:40] hi all [08:40] pitti: You there? [08:40] hi Unggnu [08:40] hi [08:40] Is it possible that apport doesn't mark the whole bug report private but only the private relevant parts like backtraces? [08:41] The problem is that often your bug report is marked as a duplicate but you can't see the original report because of the private tag [08:41] So it is still possible to add information for the duplicate reporter. [08:43] slangasek: I haven't yet tried installation yet. But since grub-installer is supposed to give an option to install grub2 in advanced mode, I thought it will cause problem if it is not included on CD. [08:44] pitti: What do you think? Should I add a feature request/bug report? [08:44] Unggnu: that would be nice, but unfortunately isn't possible with LP === slytheri1 is now known as onkarshinde [08:44] you can't make attachments private at all [08:44] pitti: atm? [08:44] if you know their URL, you can read them === onkarshinde is now known as slytherin [08:44] So a bug against launchpad? [08:44] Unggnu: right [08:45] ok, thx [08:45] if we had private attachments, we could redesign this to be much more friendly [08:47] tseliot: bug 320632> seems you did it, great job! Can you please connect with bryce to get this sponsored? [08:47] Launchpad bug 320632 in xfree86-driver-synaptics "tap-to-click and edge-scrolling broken in Jaunty" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/320632 [08:47] pitti: sure, I'll talk to him [08:49] just FYI I disabled upgrades to jaunty temporarely because of bug #354228 [08:49] Launchpad bug 354228 in python-central "package python2.6-minimal 2.6.1-1ubuntu8 failed to install/upgrade: " [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/354228 [08:51] TheMuso: You might be happy to learn that pulseaudio from the test PPA is no longer totally crazily crap. It seems to work fine, and not even make HDA Intel a world of crackling underruns. [08:51] slytherin: it /should/ automatically download from the network to install it [08:51] slytherin: if you don't have a network, then the DVD is the only way to get grub2 currently [08:52] pitti: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/354345 [08:52] Launchpad bug 354345 in launchpad "Launchpad needs private attachments" [Undecided,New] [08:52] slangasek: hmm. I can understand, considering that only advanced users will install grub2. Are we targetting for grub2 to be default for karmic? [08:53] pitti, tseliot: done [08:53] bryce: awesome [08:53] bryce: thanks. I didn't think you were still awake ;) [08:53] slytherin: we don't currently have such a target, no; grub2 will need more attention yet before we'll be able to make it default, and no one's committed yet to making that happen [08:53] tseliot: pshaw it's barely 1am [08:53] hehe [08:54] slangasek: ok. [08:54] bryce: sounds like a good time to go to bed :) [08:54] * pitti hugs bryce [08:55] slangasek: Please do change texlive-bin, thanks for looking into it [08:55] lool: ok - done ;) [08:55] ooh, slangasek's up too, and he's my same timezone [08:55] ISTR Matthias had done some changes to texlive though [08:55] Oh no, it was djvulibre [08:55] bryce: yes, and I have to be up in 6 hours for a release meeting; I'm a masochistic idiot, what's your excuse? :) [08:56] same [08:56] I have to be up in 6 hours for a release meeting as well!! [08:56] :-P [08:56] lool: you'd better get to bed soon then === hyperair_ is now known as hyperair [08:58] lool: done today just for you... [08:58] def append_comment(self, message): [08:58] for m in self.bug.messages: [08:58] if m.content == message: [08:58] return [08:58] self.bug.newMessage(subject = "Re: "+self.title, content = message) [08:58] return True === agateau_ is now known as agateau [08:58] lool: what TZ are you in currently :) ? [09:01] bryce: \o/ [09:01] * lool hugs bryce [09:02] bryce: TBH I've been a bit annoyed by the rate at which the scripts were asking for useless stuff; I'm sure they'll improve and that'll eventually be history [09:03] mvo: I'm in Disneyland/Mickey + 2 [09:03] bryce, tjaalton: did you happen to see bug 349127? [09:03] Launchpad bug 349127 in mesa "Elisa displays video with greenish/purplish colors" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/349127 [09:04] pitti: yes, I've got mesa 7.4 in my ppa [09:04] I mean the backported patches [09:04] lool: heh :) [09:04] tjaalton: I don't suppose 7.4 is targetted at jaunty? [09:04] pitti: it is [09:04] Uh [09:04] oh [09:04] I'd rather get it instead [09:04] lool: I'm in GreenTeaLang/Sencha [09:04] it's a bugfix release [09:05] tjaalton: this sounds like a high regression potential? [09:05] mvo: Sweet, received your order? :) [09:05] no it doesnt' [09:05] I was just looking at the backported patch [09:05] lool: yes, getting them tuned perfectly will take some time but I plan to keep at it [09:05] lool: yes - you too? [09:05] did I not send an email to the list about it? [09:06] mvo: No, and it's looking bad; order was refused and they don't pick up the phone so I couldn't switch credit card in time, it's going to expire today :-/ [09:06] tjaalton: I didn't see it [09:06] tjaalton: I haven't seen it, but I might have missed it (I'm not on ubuntu-x@) [09:06] tjaalton: don't think so [09:06] damn [09:06] I'm not on -x either [09:06] so, the backported patch looks reasonable to me [09:06] hehe [09:06] and it is confirmed to fix elisa [09:06] I think maybe I'm on -x by myself, that would explain the lack of replies to some of my emails ;-) [09:06] I mean to send it to u-d [09:07] here I've just been assuming everyone must be agreed ;-) [09:07] meanT [09:07] tjaalton: when is that scheduled to land? can we have it ASAP theN? [09:07] pitti: I also reviewed mesa 7.4 and agree it is worth a FFe on [09:07] also, that means I shouldn't bother to apply/test the backported patch then? [09:07] bryce: FF? I thought it was bug fix only? [09:07] pitti: sure, it's basically ready, I've just been adding some backported commits that have been verified to fix some bugs [09:08] ah, great [09:08] well, new upstream version [09:08] tjaalton: mind if you close the bug above in the changelog? [09:08] lool: oh :( [09:08] pitti: sure [09:08] great, thanks [09:08] tjaalton: new upstream versions by themselves don't need an ack; new features do [09:08] pitti: yes bug fix only; but whatever paperwork is required for a new version of a package, I +1 it for mesa 7.4 ;-) [09:08] does 7.4 also close the mythbuntu bug? [09:08] I don't think so [09:09] 7.4 from ppa was said not to fix that one [09:09] which bug was that? [09:09] (who's upstream for mesa these days? someone who knows what "bugfix only" means?) [09:09] tjaalton: bug 341898 [09:09] Launchpad bug 341898 in mesa "Mythtv frontend does not display any fonts" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/341898 [09:09] slangasek: brian paul @ vmware, they are pretty strict ;) [09:09] ok [09:10] still, taking a new upstream release that only manages to fix one of two release-critical bugs on the package, vs. just cherry-picking the fix we know and care about? [09:10] I proposed a patch that bumps the texture size on i965 and it was rejected from 7.4 [09:11] tjaalton: can I see that patch? [09:12] tseliot: it's in the ppa version [09:12] bryce: should a built in nvidia 6100 gfx card have a higher res than 800x600 using the nv driver or is it likely to be using the vesa mode? 00:0d.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: nVidia Corporation GeForce 6100 nForce 405 [10de:03d1] (rev a2) id from lspci -vvnn [09:12] admittedly I'm still nervous about getting large changes in now, even if they are declared bug fix only [09:13] doko: Should python2.6's distutils really be inserting local/ even when it's nowhere near /usr? [09:13] pitti: I'll open a new tracker bug for it with all the confirmed fixes, diffstat and shortlog etc [09:13] slangasek: shipping ubuntu with a version number on mesa that is a stable version number will give people more warm fuzzies than if we shipped with an unstable version number + patches. For whatever warm fuzzies are worth, there's that ;-) [09:14] yeah, like um, hardy?-) [09:14] tjaalton: thanks [09:14] tjaalton: ok, thanks [09:14] davmor2: check your Xorg.0.log to see what driver is loaded [09:15] davmor2: in general if you're stuck at 800x600 it usually means either you booted vesa, or your monitor's EDID was invalid for some reason [09:15] tjaalton: Weird, that max texture size bump didn't seem too risky; it was even tested [09:15] bryce: where was the nv device list too I can check if it is listed in there too [09:15] davmor2: nv is fail, try nouveau [09:15] I was actually about to ask whether we'd get that fix [09:15] bryce: oh, 7.3 reads as an unstable version number in the case of mesa? [09:15] (Cause currently you can't have a big screen on the side of your laptop and use compiz) [09:15] davmor2: /usr/share/xserver-xorg/pci/ [09:16] slangasek: yes [09:16] slangasek: yes [09:16] lool: it might get in 7.4.1, but idr said it should need another commit which broke r300 [09:16] ah, well, in that case.. :) [09:16] bryce: ta I'll look at both of those [09:17]