[04:31] Hi! I'm working on the windows guided partition doc and I have a few questions [04:31] 1) Which branch do I want to edit? Do I want to work on Jaunty since there's been a freeze on current versions of Ubuntu? [04:32] OK nm, that's my only question :) [07:43] missaugustina: it's the karmic branch that you need [07:43] missaugustina: although at the moment, there is no serious difference between the two, as we haven't started doing much work on the karmic branch yet [14:34] Oh my, a page has gona missing! Could anyone tell me where https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RaidConfigurationHowto ended up? [14:34] i was about to say that in other words, but. yes. [14:34] LjL, about to or did i miss it? [14:35] no, i hadn't asked yet [14:35] i was looking at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RaidConfigurationHowto [14:35] which claims it's been moved to /community/ [14:35] * s3r3n1t7 checks [14:36] well ... it says *poof* for me [17:04] mdke: thanks! I will sync karmic instead of jaunty :) [19:14] mdke: I'm assuming you just copied old bzr branches to make the edubuntu-jaunty branch [19:15] for some reason, probably my fault, we only have up to gutsy in the bzr branch [20:35] LaserJock: I can't remember if I made the edubuntu-jaunty branch or not, but what I do is "bzr branch X ; bzr push Y" [20:36] missaugustina: great, look forward to seeing your material - great idea about doing documents for usb-creator [21:09] mdke: are you going to do the ubuntu-docs upload to add a Conflicts? [21:09] LaserJock: no, I'm not confident about that [21:09] LaserJock: is edubuntu-docs fixed and uploaded now? [21:10] I've just uploaded it [21:10] mdke: I can upload ubuntu-docs if it's just adding the Conflicts [21:10] awesome [21:10] I just wasn't sure if you had more changes you had queued up or something [21:10] LaserJock: yes please [21:11] LaserJock: if you add the conflict to bzr I will combine it with something else I need to do later, and upload together [21:11] well, let me just give you the line to add (I'm not in ubuntu-core-doc anymore) [21:12] oh, really? [21:12] what is the position on edubuntu-docs in bzr? [21:14] really really bad [21:14] so it's out of date with the package? [21:14] yes [21:14] what do you want to do about it? [21:14] what you guys have is from Gutsy [21:15] one sec [21:15] so people have been changing the package without updating bzr? why is that? [21:15] because nobody had access to the bzr and were in a hurry ;-) [21:15] edubuntu-docs is basically dead [21:16] well, Edubuntu is basically dead [21:16] but they can just push to LP and ask someone to merge it [21:16] yes [21:16] slangasek has done that a couple of times for gnome-user-docs [21:16] ok, so add this to the ubuntu-docs part in debian/control: Conflicts: edubuntu-docs (<< 9.04.1ubuntu1) [21:17] under Depends [21:17] oh, there are already Conflicts [21:18] so you want Conflicts: ubuntu-faqguide, ubuntu-quickguide (<< 5.10), edubuntu-docs (<< 9.04.1ubuntu1) [21:18] gottit [21:18] as far as bzr [21:19] I would replace the edubuntu-jaunty branch with what the branch at http://package-import.ubuntu.com/e/edubuntu-docs/jaunty [21:19] and replace the edubuntu-hardy branch with http://package-import.ubuntu.com/e/edubuntu-docs/hardy [21:20] jeez [21:20] that's the best I can come up with unfortunately [21:20] it's poor form for people to have ignored that the package is maintained in bzr like that [21:21] well, it was likely me so yeah [21:21] I think I might have had a bzr branch that I was going to merge [21:21] but it's gone now so ... :( [21:22] this is what happens when people just throw stuff together [21:22] ok [21:22] but as it turns out, getting the branches from package-import.u.c will be just as good [21:22] why don't you rejoin ubuntu-core-doc [21:23] yeah, maybe that's a good idea [21:23] I was trying to leave Ubuntu [21:23] but perhaps it was a bit too soon :-) [21:23] well, I wouldn't want to be the one to force you to stay, but... we love you [21:24] do I need to wait for edubuntu-docs to be published before uploading next ubuntu-docs? [21:24] mdke: ok, you need to add me to the team, I can't join myself [21:25] mdke: LP ID is laserjock [21:25] mdke: no, I think it should be fine to upload now [21:25] ok, added you [21:26] I had a discussion with vorlon about whether ubuntu-core-dev should be a member of ubuntu-core-doc so that they can commit to the bzr branches [21:26] hmm [21:26] (given that they can touch the packages ;)) [21:26] in theory I said yes, but pointed out that they wouldn't want all the bugmail and bzr commit msgs [21:26] this is currently a sticky part of LP structure [21:26] exactly [21:27] A lot of this will change after Archive Reorganization as well [21:27] I think what we really should do is separate out the packaging from the docs [21:27] nhandler: it'll probably get worse then [21:28] LaserJock: I'm not sure what will happen. There has been talk about merging core-dev with motu after the reogranization [21:28] yes [21:28] but for the doc team, you still have the struggle between doc writers and packagers [21:28] I don't really like the idea of separating out packaging much, but maybe it's the right thing to do [21:28] so I would consider splitting it up [21:28] really, it's not much of a problem in practice, because I'm basically the only one uploading most of the time [21:29] yeah [21:29] and it's easy for me to merge branches if someone else touches things [21:29] can you directly upload? [21:29] yes, only for ubuntu-docs and gnome-user-docs [21:29] hmm [21:30] I'm not sure what the permissions would be like for that, it's tricky [21:30] because you could have a packaging branch that is accessible by you + core dev [21:30] well, I'm in ubuntu-dev I think [21:30] and all you'd do is merge from the ubuntu-core-doc branch and upload [21:30] rather than uploading from the ubuntu-core-doc branch directly [21:31] mdke: Yes you are. ubuntu-dev is for people with per-package upload rights [21:31] so it'd just be adding a merge [21:31] nhandler: right [21:31] oh yeah, that's right [21:31] I forgot how they did that [21:31] there is this somewhere: [21:31] (u'Archive Upload Rights', u'mdke', None, u'ubuntu-docs') [21:31] (u'Archive Upload Rights', u'mdke', None, u'gnome-user-docs') [21:31] that is what gives the per-package rights [21:39] mdke: ohhh, I found the missing revisions [21:39] the branches you made for intrepid was not updated to latest of Hardy I don't think [21:39] because the edubuntu-hardy branch has the revisions [21:39] maybe they came after we branched for intrepid [21:40] perhaps so [21:40] it was rather last minute [21:40] in which case I just forgot (or didn't know) to update Intrepid's branch [21:41] now for Intrepid and Jaunty are you guys starting the branch over from scratch? [21:41] Hardy seems to have the full history [21:42] at one stage we dropped the history, but since then we have carried it over [21:42] it was just *huge* [21:43] maybe after hardy we started afresh [21:43] looks like it [21:43] ok, I think I know enough to fix the Intrepid and Jaunty branches [21:45] thanks dude [21:45] np, it's all my fault anyway [21:46] I just get rushed trying to put Edubuntu together and forget some cleanup :( [21:51] crap, bug 354764 looks like a decent candidate for a string freeze exception [21:51] Launchpad bug 354764 in ubuntu-docs "libdvdread3 has been replaced by libdvdread4 in Jaunty" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/354764 [21:52] you should be able to grep that though [21:52] i.e. it doesn't have to be translated [21:53] good point :) [21:53] we'll need to sed all the translations though [21:53] yeah [21:54] (after downloading the for the final time) [21:55] hmm [21:55] we'll just have to try to remember to take care of that after translations are sorted [21:55] * mdke kicks dput [21:56] wheenver I'm uploading, using the internet becomes so painful [21:57] LaserJock: how can I test this new Conflicts thing? [21:57] install edubuntu-docs [21:57] then try to install the new ubuntu-docs [21:58] it should force removal of edubuntu-docs [21:58] unless it is the new version, right? [21:59] :o [21:59] theres talking [21:59] Atamira: we go through phases :) [21:59] i know..small phases..this is quite chatty [22:00] recent times have been quite chatty [22:00] near a release, I guess [22:00] its the upcoming release isnt it [22:00] the last minute things [22:00] then we'll all go back to be idle again [22:00] well, it's been a very good release cycle, I think [22:01] im excited [22:06] mdke: yeah, so then you'd install the newer edubuntu-docs and it should install fine [22:06] ok, well i have about an hour while ubuntu-docs builds so we'll see [22:06] hopefully edubuntu-docs will be available by then :) [22:07] it's been about [22:07] s/about/built/ [22:07] my brain [22:07] cool [22:07] edubuntu-intrepid was fixed [22:07] just pushing edubuntu-jaunty [22:07] done [22:08] ok [22:08] * LaserJock takes a breath [22:08] nice, thanks