[04:31] <missaugustina> Hi!  I'm working on the windows guided partition doc and I have a few questions
[04:31] <missaugustina> 1) Which branch do I want to edit?  Do I want to work on Jaunty since there's been a freeze on current versions of Ubuntu?
[04:32] <missaugustina> OK nm, that's my only question :)
[07:43] <mdke> missaugustina: it's the karmic branch that you need
[07:43] <mdke> missaugustina: although at the moment, there is no serious difference between the two, as we haven't started doing much work on the karmic branch yet
[14:34] <s3r3n1t7> Oh my, a page has gona missing! Could anyone tell me where https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RaidConfigurationHowto ended up?
[14:34] <LjL> i was about to say that in other words, but. yes.
[14:34] <s3r3n1t7> LjL, about to or did i miss it?
[14:35] <LjL> no, i hadn't asked yet
[14:35] <LjL> i was looking at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RaidConfigurationHowto
[14:35] <LjL> which claims it's been moved to /community/
[14:35]  * s3r3n1t7 checks
[14:36] <s3r3n1t7> well ... it says *poof* for me
[17:04] <missaugustina> mdke: thanks!  I will sync karmic instead of jaunty :)
[19:14] <LaserJock> mdke: I'm assuming you just copied old bzr branches to  make the edubuntu-jaunty branch
[19:15] <LaserJock> for some reason, probably my fault, we only have up to gutsy in the bzr branch
[20:35] <mdke> LaserJock: I can't remember if I made the edubuntu-jaunty branch or not, but what I do is "bzr branch X ; bzr push Y"
[20:36] <mdke> missaugustina: great, look forward to seeing your material - great idea about doing documents for usb-creator
[21:09] <LaserJock> mdke: are you going to do the ubuntu-docs upload to add a Conflicts?
[21:09] <mdke> LaserJock: no, I'm not confident about that
[21:09] <mdke> LaserJock: is edubuntu-docs fixed and uploaded now?
[21:10] <LaserJock> I've just uploaded it
[21:10] <LaserJock> mdke: I can upload ubuntu-docs if it's just adding the Conflicts
[21:10] <mdke> awesome
[21:10] <LaserJock> I just wasn't sure if you had more changes you had queued up or something
[21:10] <mdke> LaserJock: yes please
[21:11] <mdke> LaserJock: if you add the conflict to bzr I will combine it with something else I need to do later, and upload together
[21:11] <LaserJock> well, let me just give you the line to add (I'm not in ubuntu-core-doc anymore)
[21:12] <mdke> oh, really?
[21:12] <mdke> what is the position on edubuntu-docs in bzr?
[21:14] <LaserJock> really really bad
[21:14] <mdke> so it's out of date with the package?
[21:14] <LaserJock> yes
[21:14] <mdke> what do you want to do about it?
[21:14] <LaserJock> what you guys have is from Gutsy
[21:15] <LaserJock> one sec
[21:15] <mdke> so people have been changing the package without updating bzr? why is that?
[21:15] <LaserJock> because nobody had access to the bzr and were in a hurry ;-)
[21:15] <LaserJock> edubuntu-docs is basically dead
[21:16] <LaserJock> well, Edubuntu is basically dead
[21:16] <mdke> but they can just push to LP and ask someone to merge it
[21:16] <LaserJock> yes
[21:16] <mdke> slangasek has done that a couple of times for gnome-user-docs
[21:16] <LaserJock> ok, so add this to the ubuntu-docs part in debian/control:    Conflicts: edubuntu-docs (<< 9.04.1ubuntu1)
[21:17] <LaserJock> under Depends
[21:17] <LaserJock> oh, there are already Conflicts
[21:18] <LaserJock> so you want Conflicts: ubuntu-faqguide, ubuntu-quickguide (<< 5.10), edubuntu-docs (<< 9.04.1ubuntu1)
[21:18] <mdke> gottit
[21:18] <LaserJock> as far as bzr
[21:19] <LaserJock> I would replace the edubuntu-jaunty branch with what the branch at http://package-import.ubuntu.com/e/edubuntu-docs/jaunty
[21:19] <LaserJock> and replace the edubuntu-hardy branch with http://package-import.ubuntu.com/e/edubuntu-docs/hardy
[21:20] <mdke> jeez
[21:20] <LaserJock> that's the best I can come up with unfortunately
[21:20] <mdke> it's poor form for people to have ignored that the package is maintained in bzr like that
[21:21] <LaserJock> well, it was likely me so yeah
[21:21] <LaserJock> I think I might have had a bzr branch that I was going to merge
[21:21] <LaserJock> but it's gone now so ... :(
[21:22] <LaserJock> this is what happens when people just throw stuff together
[21:22] <mdke> ok
[21:22] <LaserJock> but as it turns out, getting the branches from package-import.u.c will be just as good
[21:22] <mdke> why don't you rejoin ubuntu-core-doc
[21:23] <LaserJock> yeah, maybe that's a good idea
[21:23] <LaserJock> I was trying to leave Ubuntu
[21:23] <LaserJock> but perhaps it was a bit too soon :-)
[21:23] <mdke> well, I wouldn't want to be the one to force you to stay, but... we love you
[21:24] <mdke> do I need to wait for edubuntu-docs to be published before uploading next ubuntu-docs?
[21:24] <LaserJock> mdke: ok, you need to add me to the team, I can't join myself
[21:25] <LaserJock> mdke: LP ID is laserjock
[21:25] <LaserJock> mdke: no, I think it should be fine to upload now
[21:25] <mdke> ok, added you
[21:26] <mdke> I had a discussion with vorlon about whether ubuntu-core-dev should be a member of ubuntu-core-doc so that they can commit to the bzr branches
[21:26] <LaserJock> hmm
[21:26] <mdke> (given that they can touch the packages ;))
[21:26] <mdke> in theory I said yes, but pointed out that they wouldn't want all the bugmail and bzr commit msgs
[21:26] <LaserJock> this is currently a sticky part of LP structure
[21:26] <LaserJock> exactly
[21:27] <nhandler> A lot of this will change after Archive Reorganization as well
[21:27] <LaserJock> I think what we really should do is separate out the packaging from the docs
[21:27] <LaserJock> nhandler: it'll probably get worse then
[21:28] <nhandler> LaserJock: I'm not sure what will happen. There has been talk about merging core-dev with motu after the reogranization
[21:28] <LaserJock> yes
[21:28] <LaserJock> but for the doc team, you still have the struggle between doc writers and packagers
[21:28] <mdke> I don't really like the idea of separating out packaging much, but maybe it's the right thing to do
[21:28] <LaserJock> so I would consider splitting it up
[21:28] <mdke> really, it's not much of a problem in practice, because I'm basically the only one uploading most of the time
[21:29] <LaserJock> yeah
[21:29] <mdke> and it's easy for me to merge branches if someone else touches things
[21:29] <LaserJock> can you directly upload?
[21:29] <mdke> yes, only for ubuntu-docs and gnome-user-docs
[21:29] <LaserJock> hmm
[21:30] <LaserJock> I'm not sure what the permissions would be like for that, it's tricky
[21:30] <LaserJock> because you could have a packaging branch that is accessible by you + core dev
[21:30] <mdke> well, I'm in ubuntu-dev I think
[21:30] <LaserJock> and all you'd do is merge from the ubuntu-core-doc branch and upload
[21:30] <LaserJock> rather than uploading from the ubuntu-core-doc branch directly
[21:31] <nhandler> mdke: Yes you are. ubuntu-dev is for people with per-package upload rights
[21:31] <LaserJock> so it'd just be adding a merge
[21:31] <mdke> nhandler: right
[21:31] <LaserJock> oh yeah, that's right
[21:31] <LaserJock> I forgot how they did that
[21:31] <mdke> there is this somewhere:
[21:31] <mdke>  (u'Archive Upload Rights', u'mdke', None, u'ubuntu-docs')
[21:31] <mdke>  (u'Archive Upload Rights', u'mdke', None, u'gnome-user-docs')
[21:31] <mdke> that is what gives the per-package rights
[21:39] <LaserJock> mdke: ohhh, I found the missing revisions
[21:39] <LaserJock> the branches you made for intrepid was not updated to latest of Hardy I don't think
[21:39] <LaserJock> because the edubuntu-hardy branch has the revisions
[21:39] <mdke> maybe they came after we branched for intrepid
[21:40] <LaserJock> perhaps so
[21:40] <LaserJock> it was rather last minute
[21:40] <LaserJock> in which case I just forgot (or didn't know) to update Intrepid's branch
[21:41] <LaserJock> now for Intrepid and Jaunty are you guys starting the branch over from scratch?
[21:41] <LaserJock> Hardy seems to have the full history
[21:42] <mdke> at one stage we dropped the history, but since then we have carried it over
[21:42] <mdke> it was just *huge*
[21:43] <mdke> maybe after hardy we started afresh
[21:43] <LaserJock> looks like it
[21:43] <LaserJock> ok, I think I know enough to fix the Intrepid and Jaunty branches
[21:45] <mdke> thanks dude
[21:45] <LaserJock> np, it's all my fault anyway
[21:46] <LaserJock> I just get rushed trying to put Edubuntu together and forget some cleanup :(
[21:51] <mdke> crap, bug 354764 looks like a decent candidate for a string freeze exception
[21:51] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 354764 in ubuntu-docs "libdvdread3 has been replaced by libdvdread4 in Jaunty" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/354764
[21:52] <LaserJock> you should be able to grep that though
[21:52] <LaserJock> i.e. it doesn't have to be translated
[21:53] <mdke> good point :)
[21:53] <mdke> we'll need to sed all the translations though
[21:53] <LaserJock> yeah
[21:54] <mdke> (after downloading the for the final time)
[21:55] <mdke> hmm
[21:55] <mdke> we'll just have to try to remember to take care of that after translations are sorted
[21:55]  * mdke kicks dput
[21:56] <mdke> wheenver I'm uploading, using the internet becomes so painful
[21:57] <mdke> LaserJock: how can I test this new Conflicts thing?
[21:57] <LaserJock> install edubuntu-docs
[21:57] <LaserJock> then try to install the new ubuntu-docs
[21:58] <LaserJock> it should force removal of edubuntu-docs
[21:58] <mdke> unless it is the new version, right?
[21:59] <Atamira> :o
[21:59] <Atamira> theres talking
[21:59] <mdke> Atamira: we go through phases :)
[21:59] <Atamira> i know..small phases..this is quite chatty
[22:00] <mdke> recent times have been quite chatty
[22:00] <mdke> near a release, I guess
[22:00] <Atamira> its the upcoming release isnt it
[22:00] <Atamira> the last minute things
[22:00] <Atamira> then we'll all go back to be idle again
[22:00] <mdke> well, it's been a very good release cycle, I think
[22:01] <Atamira> im excited
[22:06] <LaserJock> mdke: yeah, so then you'd install the newer edubuntu-docs and it should install fine
[22:06] <mdke> ok, well i have about an hour while ubuntu-docs builds so we'll see
[22:06] <mdke> hopefully edubuntu-docs will be available by then :)
[22:07] <LaserJock> it's been about
[22:07] <LaserJock> s/about/built/
[22:07] <LaserJock> my brain
[22:07] <mdke> cool
[22:07] <LaserJock> edubuntu-intrepid was fixed
[22:07] <LaserJock> just pushing edubuntu-jaunty
[22:07] <LaserJock> done
[22:08] <LaserJock> ok
[22:08]  * LaserJock takes a breath
[22:08] <mdke> nice, thanks