| newz2000 | Hi, I'm a little discouraged that there's been no feedback about the proposed fridge themes... | 21:01 |
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| newz2000 | maybe you've looked at them and like none, if you're holding back on feedback because you don't want to hurt anyones feelings, please just email me directly | 21:01 |
| newz2000 | otherwise, it would be great to hear some comments... what you like about various things, if a great departure from the ubuntu website would be good or if you prefer the ones that share the rounded box on brown background | 21:03 |
| newz2000 | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Website/FridgeTheme - put your comments on that page directly or email the news team list or email me, matthew.nuzum@canonical.com | 21:15 |
| Tumie | i've jaunty now :) | 21:28 |
| joey | newz2000, I'll have a look now | 21:48 |
| newz2000 | thanks | 21:48 |
| joey | newz2000, I'll make the decision if nobody else weighs in :-D | 21:48 |
| newz2000 | today just guide, monday we'll decide | 21:48 |
| * newz2000 is a poet today | 21:48 | |
| joey | oh wow | 21:49 |
| joey | so many new ones! | 21:49 |
| boredandblogging | newz2000: I replied a few minutes ago | 21:56 |
| tyche | Personally, I like Sand & Mercury's Entry | 21:56 |
| newz2000 | Make sure to say what it is you like or dislike since the goal here is to get people active for the last couple days | 21:57 |
| newz2000 | I personally think we can do better than what we've seen yet | 21:57 |
| boredandblogging | yup | 21:57 |
| tyche | But partly that's just to piss off boredandblogging, who I know likes tripmxkay's Blue Ground Mockup. Hee hee | 21:57 |
| boredandblogging | heh | 21:58 |
| boredandblogging | i'll try to be more detailed | 21:58 |
| tyche | Seriously, tripmxkay's Blue Ground Mockup isn't bad. | 21:58 |
| tyche | But I just CAN'T let boredandblogging get away with beating me to it. | 21:59 |
| boredandblogging | i liked trip and sand | 21:59 |
| boredandblogging | heh | 21:59 |
| tyche | Yea, it was a real toss-up between the two. | 21:59 |
| tyche | Whichever, they would both need some work to allow for login of administrators, etc. | 22:00 |
| joey | newz2000, (et al) - emailed my opinions | 22:00 |
| tyche | And, to be a bit contrary, I don't like the way the UWN was set in there. But that can be worked on, too, in tripmxkay's Blue Ground Mockup | 22:01 |
| tyche | Too difficult to read. | 22:01 |
| joey | I have a preference for a new site layout | 22:02 |
| tyche | The Developers conference madrid was well done, though. | 22:02 |
| joey | not just a re-color of the existing layout | 22:02 |
| joey | but that's just my own opinion | 22:02 |
| joey | The Fridge has looked the same since it was started | 22:02 |
| newz2000 | boredandblogging: you picked one that was in the normal ubuntu layout and one that was different, do you have an opinion on if it stays rounded or breaks out? | 22:03 |
| newz2000 | tyche: you too | 22:04 |
| tyche | newz2000: What do you mean by "breaks out" | 22:04 |
| newz2000 | does not have the rounded box on the coloured background | 22:04 |
| tyche | joey: Well, if you want REALLY different, see http://www.azloco.com/ | 22:05 |
| * joey hands tyche the sledgehammer | 22:05 | |
| tyche | AH!!! A maul. Is it named "Darth"? | 22:05 |
| joey | :-) | 22:05 |
| newz2000 | Also, question #2 - do you like seeing a full-post on the homepage or would you prefer a post teaser? | 22:06 |
| tyche | As to breakout - I like the rounded corners. It separates things better. | 22:07 |
| tyche | As to full-post or teaser, I suppose my UWN work is showing, but I'd prefer teaser. | 22:08 |
| joey | I like rounded corners too. Even on the 2nd one I suggested, if those boxes were rounded it would look nicer | 22:08 |
| joey | tyche, as in http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Main_Page ? | 22:08 |
| newz2000 | by rounded corners I mean the whole page in a rounded box like ubuntu.com is | 22:08 |
| tyche | newz2000: Yep. That, too. | 22:08 |
| tyche | joey: YES! | 22:09 |
| joey | newz2000, I can live with rounder or breakout. Rounded is a bit more interesting as long as it scales well | 22:09 |
| tyche | (Please understand that these are just my personal opinions, and in no way are reflective of the opiinions of a REAL person) | 22:09 |
| joey | tyche, how about a LARGE teaser.... | 22:09 |
| joey | tyche, one where it's more than a blurb but shorter than the whole story? | 22:09 |
| * joey goes off to find an example | 22:10 | |
| tyche | joey: For examples without pictures, see UWN 135. I'm not against pictures, we just don't use them on the UWN. | 22:10 |
| joey | tyche, yah. I'm thinking a good summary vs a headline | 22:11 |
| tyche | It does mean having someone who can go in and see what the information is, and encapsulate it into a briefer form. | 22:11 |
| tyche | Yep | 22:11 |
| joey | we don't have a high enough volume to mandate a headline so...why not make use of that | 22:11 |
| tyche | That's what we try to do with the UWN | 22:11 |
| tyche | First, using teasers leaves more space on the front page for more entries. | 22:12 |
| tyche | Second, they don't end up scrolling off before people can read them. | 22:12 |
| newz2000 | So do I understand correctly that you guys are preferring a look that has teasers instead of full stories on the homepage? | 22:13 |
| tyche | newz2000: That's MY opinion. | 22:13 |
| joey | tyche, how about this format? http://www.faz.net/s/homepage.html | 22:13 |
| newz2000 | I'd call that a teaser | 22:13 |
| joey | k | 22:14 |
| tyche | Format for teasers, though I can't really read German, is good. Format for the page doesn't meet the needs of the Fridge, I don't think. | 22:14 |
| joey | so I don't have a strong preference but I'd lean towards a dedicated column for articles and those articles had a 1 paragraph teaser in them | 22:14 |
| joey | s/in/for | 22:15 |
| tyche | Yep. That sounds about right. | 22:15 |
| newz2000 | and needs to accommodate sometimes having an image and sometimes not | 22:15 |
| joey | correct | 22:15 |
| joey | so, tyche and I seem to agree :-D | 22:15 |
| tyche | Oh, definitely. But from my point of view, the addition of images is an "extra", rather than a default that has to be canceled out. | 22:16 |
| joey | agree there too | 22:16 |
| joey | maybe on 1/3 of the stories will have pics | 22:16 |
| tyche | joey: Of course (SCHLUUUUUURP). | 22:16 |
| tyche | Hee hee | 22:16 |
| tyche | You think it would be that high? | 22:16 |
| joey | previously no, but lately, I think | 22:16 |
| boredandblogging | pics aren't that hard, plenty of CC out there | 22:17 |
| tyche | Maybe. I haven't seen that, myself. | 22:17 |
| newz2000 | I might suggest using compfight to grab cc images | 22:17 |
| boredandblogging | yup | 22:18 |
| boredandblogging | hope my replies to the thread don't seem harsh | 22:18 |
| newz2000 | so everyone likes sand and mercury, what about it would you like to see continued? | 22:18 |
| joey | newz2000, s/everyone/everyone but Joey who thinks it is pretty but too close to the Fridge theme/ | 22:19 |
| joey | (not to be construed as a veto) | 22:19 |
| newz2000 | well, everyone thought it worthy enough to mention. :-) | 22:20 |
| boredandblogging | i like the fact that it actually highlights a story, know I sound like a broken record about it | 22:20 |
| joey | yeah because it has pictures | 22:20 |
| joey | take away the pictures and it falls aparet | 22:20 |
| joey | apart | 22:20 |
| newz2000 | boredandblogging: that black box at the top? | 22:20 |
| boredandblogging | newz2000: yes | 22:20 |
| * joey pulls them up again | 22:21 | |
| newz2000 | how often does the ubuntu community (fridge,uwn,etc) create original content that could be featured like this? | 22:21 |
| boredandblogging | we can choose to use it for the latest post or something specific if need be | 22:21 |
| joey | If we could combine some of the colour elements and highlighting from Sand with the format of In Progress, I'd find that quite pleasant to use | 22:22 |
| joey | the In progress mockup doesn't rely on pics | 22:23 |
| joey | which as tyche pointed out, we have little of | 22:23 |
| joey | if we always had pics, in progress falls apart | 22:24 |
| newz2000 | I agree that's key | 22:24 |
| joey | in progress looks rather bland though due to lack of styling | 22:24 |
| joey | if we gave it a facelift it would be more appealing I think | 22:24 |
| joey | newz2000, could we ask those guys two things? | 22:25 |
| tyche | joey: you mean the Fridge in progress by MadsRH? | 22:25 |
| joey | newz2000, 1) do a 2nd mockup of Sand w/o most of the pictures | 22:25 |
| joey | tyche, yes sir | 22:25 |
| joey | newz2000, 2) see if we could get a little more "effect styling" to In progress? | 22:25 |
| joey | I don't know if they would be willing to do that | 22:26 |
| newz2000 | I'll bet they would | 22:26 |
| joey | especially since we may not use their items | 22:26 |
| tyche | OK, That's not bad, but I see the problem of putting pictures in it. It would overblow the "style" of the page. | 22:26 |
| joey | I'd like to see the sans-picture Sand mockup to prove to myself if it will fail with no pictures | 22:26 |
| joey | tyche, yeah so we'd only have the VIDEO picture and then a picture, maybe, with each teaser on the left column | 22:27 |
| joey | tyche, so, 2 stories max plus video | 22:27 |
| joey | that sound right? | 22:27 |
| newz2000 | ok, will you guys be around for 20min or so? I think I might write this up and then pastebin it so you can check it out before I send it | 22:28 |
| joey | I will be | 22:28 |
| boredandblogging | should be | 22:29 |
| newz2000 | ok, let me see if what I can pull together | 22:29 |
| tyche | Well, the teaser for the UWN takes up a lot of space, at least the way johnc4510's been doing it, so far. I think there'd normally be room for 2 picture teasers or picture and non picture teasers. | 22:29 |
| tyche | Also, we don't always have Videos that would be advertised. | 22:29 |
| joey | I kinda feel like Sands and In Progress are on a see-saw. One has too much, the other too little :-) | 22:29 |
| tyche | (And yes, I noticed WHICH one that person used. Hee hee) | 22:30 |
| joey | right but that was part of the requirements that newz sent out to the team. | 22:30 |
| tyche | joey: Yes, there I'll agree with you. | 22:30 |
| tyche | However, I also like the idea of a plain (or at least graduated) single color background, like a paper was laying on a desk. It makes it easier to scale for larger screens, without making one feel that something is missing. | 22:31 |
| joey | tyche, my fear of Sands is that if you go look at it now, and then remove the pictures, you'll see http://fridge.ubuntu.com/ as it is today :-) | 22:32 |
| tyche | What we did with azloco.com was to scale the middle area, so the columns remained the same size. It works for us, but I don't think it would work for the Fridge. | 22:32 |
| joey | tyche, yeah I like that paper on the desk look too | 22:32 |
| tyche | joey: Good point. But could we put a background around Fridge in progress? | 22:33 |
| joey | sure! | 22:33 |
| tyche | Other minor things, like "Latest headlines" being instead "Selected from the Planet" | 22:33 |
| joey | in fact, I hope so! | 22:33 |
| joey | oooh that's an interesting idea Craig | 22:34 |
| tyche | LOL | 22:34 |
| tyche | Well, isn't that where we usually get our headlines from? The UWN does it by getting links from outside. But the Fridge is more of an insider resource. | 22:35 |
| joey | Planet Poop | 22:35 |
| joey | er | 22:35 |
| joey | Planet Press | 22:35 |
| tyche | from the Planet. | 22:35 |
| joey | Fridge doesn't today but it could. An "Overheard on the Planet".... column would be interesting | 22:36 |
| tyche | joey: I hope you realize that what we're suggesting would require a chief editor and at least one or two contributors to keep it flowing. | 22:36 |
| joey | so, I've been meaning to speak to you about that..... | 22:36 |
| * joey grins. | 22:36 | |
| tyche | Which means that we'd have an internal organ and an external organ. I'll let your imagination fill in the blanks. Hee hee | 22:37 |
| newz2000 | ok, while I catch up on what you've been discussing, read this and tell me what needs added: http://pastebin.com/d2577478 | 22:37 |
| joey | tyche, so I had an idea for one of those boxes | 22:38 |
| joey | tyche, an automated google news search for the title of Ubuntu with a required word of Linux (to prevent sport stories) | 22:38 |
| joey | I have a feed URL but it is a mile long | 22:39 |
| joey | http://news.google.com/news?pz=1&ned=us&hl=en&as_scoring=r&as_maxm=4&q=ubuntu+linux&as_qdr=m&as_drrb=q&as_mind=4&as_minm=3&as_maxd=3&output=rss | 22:39 |
| newz2000 | what would be cool is to feature cc licensed photos that embody the spirit or idea of Ubuntu on a weekly basis | 22:39 |
| tyche | joey: BTW, you DO realize that a "joey" is a type of clown, hence I don't take your grin as meaning anything. So there! Hee hee | 22:40 |
| joey | newz2000, 2 comments: 1) wtf! use paste.ubuntu.com :-) 2) the "in progress" comment might be a little contentious but I like it :-) | 22:41 |
| joey | tyche, =) | 22:41 |
| tyche | newz2000: In general, I think you captured our thinking. | 22:42 |
| tyche | As to the CCed photos, that might be more difficult, but not impossible. | 22:42 |
| newz2000 | yeah, a future idea | 22:42 |
| joey | newz2000, before you hit enter... | 22:43 |
| joey | tyche, boredandblogging - question | 22:43 |
| tyche | joey: I tried something like that when I first started with the UWN, but the danged thing was useless. It always came in on MONDAY. | 22:43 |
| joey | tyche, boredandblogging - do you want the Fridge to be a) bright, colourful, and busy, b) clean, colourful, and simple, or c) something else? | 22:43 |
| boredandblogging | how about a happy medium? | 22:44 |
| boredandblogging | :-P | 22:44 |
| joey | boredandblogging, sure... give me adjectives | 22:44 |
| newz2000 | boredandblogging: no, you have to pick | 22:44 |
| joey | those creative guys love adjectives :-) | 22:44 |
| tyche | The basic structure should be clean, to allow someone to make more of it when necessary or applicable. But it does need the color outside to differentiate "PAGE" from "BACKGROUND" | 22:45 |
| boredandblogging | i do prefer simple | 22:45 |
| tyche | simple, to my mind, equals clean. | 22:45 |
| tyche | It makes it easier to scan and read | 22:45 |
| joey | ok, so I hear clear/simple as a winner as I agree there too | 22:46 |
| tyche | Busy detracts from the messages being delivered. | 22:46 |
| joey | boredandblogging, what about outside & background? | 22:46 |
| newz2000 | I saw cool script that pulsed the background colour gradually through every shade in the rainbow | 22:46 |
| boredandblogging | i have no opinion about colors as long as its not grey | 22:46 |
| tyche | newz2000: That would be busy. | 22:47 |
| boredandblogging | not really | 22:47 |
| joey | ok, I agree with tyche that we should try a mockup of differentiation of page vs background | 22:47 |
| newz2000 | I was kidding. (well, I have seen it but I'm not really suggesting we use it) | 22:47 |
| tyche | I agree with boredandblogging, but would say colors instead of pastell. Using a graduated background would be fine, too. | 22:47 |
| joey | I agree with not grey :-) You too tyche? | 22:48 |
| tyche | Yep | 22:48 |
| joey | ok, 3 things we agree on them | 22:48 |
| joey | er then | 22:48 |
| joey | er right | 22:48 |
| tyche | I also think it should be outside the "standard" Ubuntu colors. | 22:48 |
| joey | hmm, so explain that a little more tyche | 22:48 |
| * newz2000 needs to get clarification on this | 22:48 | |
| tyche | Some cool color, such as blue or green, not the tan/orange of Ubuntu. There can be such a thing as too much of a good thing. | 22:49 |
| joey | newz2000, we agree so far on a) not grey, b) clear/simple, c) colours not pastels, d) differentiation of page vs background | 22:49 |
| joey | for a mockup | 22:49 |
| tyche | Leave the Ubuntu colors to the Ubuntu.com pages | 22:49 |
| newz2000 | ok, so does twitter's homepage do this? (except for the pastel part) http://twitter.com/ | 22:49 |
| joey | tyche, so I think I'm not with you on this one. | 22:50 |
| joey | tyche, I'd rather have more white than colour | 22:50 |
| joey | tyche, more google vs over zealous ubuntu brown | 22:50 |
| tyche | Hmmm. Maybe, depending on how the "watermark" was done. | 22:50 |
| tyche | joey: I'm talking just about the background. That's the area that would be scaled into or out of, depending on the size of the individual's screen and resolution. | 22:51 |
| joey | tyche, more zoozimps than Sunset (to use a gmail theme example) | 22:52 |
| joey | tyche, ah I see | 22:52 |
| tyche | For example, I'm running a 1440 X 900 screen. The colored background simply means "OK, I don't need to look there." | 22:52 |
| joey | yeah, same here | 22:52 |
| joey | same screen size even on my work computer | 22:52 |
| joey | I'd rather the background be subdued | 22:53 |
| tyche | But on a 1024 X 768 screen, that area would be reduced, but the main page would appear to be the same as the 1440 X 900 | 22:53 |
| joey | I find with very bright backgrounds (newz - like the canonical wiki) that my eyes cross and start bleeding | 22:53 |
| tyche | Yep, subdued is possible (just add more black, and cut the value of the color) | 22:53 |
| joey | tyche, you don't like the brownish slate currently on ubuntu.com ? | 22:54 |
| tyche | I think it's fine for ubuntu.com. I think the Fridge should be different from it, though. | 22:54 |
| tyche | I'd even go with a brushed steel look | 22:55 |
| joey | hmm we may not agree on that one. I'm more an apple style guy vs a microsoft style guy | 22:56 |
| tyche | brushed steel does not equal grey. Brushed steel is actually (graphically) a combination of thin white and black lines, vertically. | 22:56 |
| newz2000 | joey: ok, so not grey, coloured. But not pastel and don't make your eyes bleed. | 22:57 |
| tyche | Another color is raw sienna, done as a graduated top to bottom | 22:58 |
| joey | newz2000, do we have a new background planed for jaunty? | 22:58 |
| newz2000 | for the desktop or the web-page? | 22:58 |
| newz2000 | desktop: yes, two, website: no | 22:58 |
| joey | newz2000, web | 22:58 |
| newz2000 | no change. There'll be a homepage banner again. | 22:59 |
| joey | you know tyche and boredandblogging, I actually find the newer moz header quite nice. What do you think? https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/addon/9584 | 22:59 |
| * newz2000 pretends joey didn't just say that | 22:59 | |
| * joey laughs. | 23:00 | |
| joey | How about a Nokia beta blue tyche? http://betalabs.nokia.com/ | 23:00 |
| * tyche joins newz2000 in ignoring joey's comment. | 23:00 | |
| joey | newz2000, do you think we could change the web background? | 23:00 |
| joey | newz2000, or would it meet with resistance? | 23:00 |
| newz2000 | you mean change the fridge theme's background periodically? | 23:00 |
| tyche | joey: The nokia one is interesting, and an example of what I meant by graduated. | 23:01 |
| joey | newz2000, no... just something different from the current Ubuntu one. I'm wondering if someone in Marketing or Mark would get upset | 23:01 |
| newz2000 | for the fridge or for ubuntu.com? | 23:02 |
| tyche | (Yea, I know. I'm back to sucking up to the boss) | 23:02 |
| joey | tyche, you know, I really like the ovi look. e.g. https://mail.ovi.com/playr/login | 23:02 |
| joey | newz2000, fridge | 23:02 |
| newz2000 | no one will mind | 23:02 |
| tyche | Ovi = too much white on white. | 23:02 |
| * joey nods at both of you. :-) | 23:03 | |
| tyche | Too much like Mondrian | 23:03 |
| joey | so newz2000, how about with that email and the adjectives above... you include a prompting for a different low-key background | 23:03 |
| tyche | joey: See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Mondrian_Comp10.jpg | 23:04 |
| newz2000 | low-key? | 23:04 |
| newz2000 | oh, I thought you were saying the opposite | 23:04 |
| joey | newz2000, by low-key I mean somewhere between bright orange bleeding eyes and mud shale ubuntu.com | 23:05 |
| * joey grins. | 23:05 | |
| newz2000 | ok | 23:05 |
| newz2000 | is a texture / image / gradient good or bad? | 23:05 |
| * joey looks at tyche and boredandblogging | 23:05 | |
| joey | um. Dunno for me. I'm open for mockups | 23:05 |
| tyche | A background should be exactly that: Something that falls into the background and doesn't detract from the main interest - in this case, the Fridge | 23:06 |
| newz2000 | ok | 23:06 |
| * joey admits to be partial to Novel/Suse green | 23:06 | |
| tyche | newz2000: Texture, done right, is good. Gradient is good. Image is POSSIBLY bad | 23:06 |
| joey | yeah, depends on the image4 | 23:07 |
| newz2000 | how about this? (NSFW) from ubuntu calendar? http://www.marcus-fischer.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/ubuntu-calendar-march1.jpg | 23:07 |
| newz2000 | oh, right, it has the ubuntu brown so it won't work | 23:07 |
| joey | right but his website might work http://www.marcus-fischer.com/ | 23:08 |
| joey | look at that background tyche | 23:08 |
| tyche | Well, you might also get some flak from Ubuntu-Women | 23:08 |
| tyche | That is nicely done | 23:08 |
| tyche | The drop-shadow works, too. | 23:09 |
| joey | yeah, love the drop shadow | 23:09 |
| joey | look at how he's bowed the top here: http://www.marcus-fischer.com/?page_id=2 | 23:09 |
| joey | err, well, the whole site I guess | 23:10 |
| joey | I didn't notice until just now :-D | 23:10 |
| tyche | Yep. He's got two things going at the same time. The graduated background, and the highlights and drop shadow from where he places his light source. | 23:10 |
| tyche | And he carries that over into the upper band of the "page", by showing where the light source is. | 23:11 |
| newz2000 | ok, that's it. No more feedback. | 23:12 |
| tyche | For a physics student at the University of Hamburg, he shows remarkable ability in graphic design. | 23:13 |
| newz2000 | I'm going to get this ready and pastebin for one more review. | 23:13 |
| newz2000 | 2min | 23:13 |
| newz2000 | (that could be a stock wordpress theme) | 23:13 |
| tyche | Then SOMEONE has VERY good taste | 23:13 |
| newz2000 | I agree, that is remarkably good | 23:14 |
| tyche | That sort of thing is plain, but makes a statement at the same time. | 23:14 |
| newz2000 | http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/143732/ | 23:15 |
| newz2000 | I need to add something there about avoiding ubuntu title font and over-styling the text. | 23:16 |
| joey | newz2000, just missing one thing | 23:18 |
| joey | newz2000, a big thanks to everyone from the Fridge team | 23:18 |
| newz2000 | good plan | 23:18 |
| joey | newz2000, maybe "put together a new plan" could be "put together a new plan or revise an existing one" | 23:19 |
| tyche | Looks good, especially with joey's addition. | 23:19 |
| newz2000 | ok, got it | 23:20 |
| newz2000 | I'll send and copy the news team | 23:20 |
| tyche | joey: RE: " [14:36] <joey> so, I've been meaning to speak to you about that....." So, what did you want? | 23:22 |
| joey | nothing but to harass you :-) | 23:23 |
| tyche | Ah. OK. NP | 23:23 |
| tyche | I stand harassed. Hee hee | 23:23 |
| joey | newz2000, one more thing.. | 23:25 |
| joey | newz2000, thank you very very much for your help! | 23:25 |
| newz2000 | my pleasure | 23:25 |
| tyche | BTW, as a follow up to my follow up comment to that: I was once told, "It takes a wise man to play a fool." This was told to me by the head of Clown Alley for Ringling Brothers, Barnum and Baily Combined Shows, Inc. | 23:25 |
| joey | I'm sure boredandblogging and tyche would agree | 23:25 |
| tyche | Yep. Definitely. | 23:25 |
| newz2000 | sometimes getting other people to do work is more fun than doing it yourself | 23:25 |
| tyche | newz2000: Ah, yes. Delegation of authority by a lazy man. Hee hee | 23:26 |
| newz2000 | lazy? Its easier just to do it yourself. | 23:26 |
| newz2000 | :-) | 23:26 |
| tyche | I Heartily approve. LOL | 23:26 |
| joey | tyche, why do I get the feeling you delegated all of your work and you just pretend to be retired now? :-) | 23:30 |
| tyche | Nope. I actually retired. But before I left, I tried to have everyone up to speed on the idea of sharing ideas and ways of "short-cutting" the work without sacrificing quality. Some of it actually managed to carry over, after I left. | 23:33 |
| joey | ah ha! I see. | 23:33 |
| tyche | However, I'll admit to being a lazy man. I work VERY HARD at being lazy. | 23:33 |
| joey | Does anyone know if my email about the sun shipping Ubuntu laptops made it to the news list or did I send it to the wrong place again? | 23:34 |
| tyche | It's on the Ubuntu-news-team list. | 23:34 |
| tyche | I get it as a digest | 23:34 |
| joey | ok good. :-) I'll wait to see if anyone wants to do it before I do | 23:35 |
| tyche | newz2000: Your post just hit the mailing list. Looks good. | 23:37 |
| newz2000 | cool | 23:37 |
| newz2000 | I think I'm going to go eat some dinner | 23:37 |
| newz2000 | catch you later gang | 23:37 |
| tyche | Enjoy | 23:37 |
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