[00:03] * Ng looks at http://blog.launchpad.net/ppa/introducing-autoppa [00:03] I just tried to make a new libdrm package, but now the r6xx-r7xx branch does not merge nicely with master ;( [00:08] which it should since it itself merged in master a few days ago... forgot to pull [00:13] hmm, autoppa is kinda bzr-centric [00:20] tormod: wow, auto-xorg-git is pretty impressive :) [00:23] ok uploaded 2.4.6~ [00:23] thanks! credits go to Bryce as well [00:24] tormod: I'm wondering about an option which notices the git tree in the working directory is already up to date and immediately bails - that way it'd only build/upload if there are actually new changes [00:24] it has that option :) [00:24] the ppa-update uses it [00:24] * Ng sighs, sorry, I swear I did look through the options! === jbarnes_ is now known as jbarnes [00:38] tormod: so, I'm happy to do some uploading of -intel, subject to some sanity checking of what I'm doing :) [00:38] I guess we'd need separate LP accounts for bots that were auto-uploading though [00:39] I certainly can't leave any GPG keys associated with my main account unlocked anywhere [00:39] Ng: cool. apply for team membership. yes you'd need some autobuilder keys [00:40] the rule is kind of to make as few manual changes as possible [00:41] just uploaded a test run to my own PPA [00:42] url? [00:43] https://edge.launchpad.net/~cmsj/+archive/ppa [00:43] I don't think the upload has been scanned yet [00:44] or it has and the rejection mail hasn't hit me yet :) [00:45] cool, accepted. that was the result of "./auto-xorg-git -n -g -D -H hooks -w /tmp/xorg-pkg-tools/ intel" [00:47] the drm-snapshot 2.4.6 is done. notice I used -t "~" because 2.4.6 is not released [00:48] * Ng nods [00:49] if the debian patch in -intel (pci id stuff) is not needed, no manual tweaks should be necessary atm [00:50] I am fixing up the drm-snapshot hooks also, except merging in r6xx-r7xx the rest is automatic [01:05] Ng: pushed the hooks cleanup to bazaar/lp [01:26] jbarnes: is there a txt file archive of intel-gfx ML somewhere, for snatching that patch without html? [01:30] never mind, saving as text in Firefox did not screw up as much as I thought [01:36] uploaded a new -intel with said patch. I guess on the edge means to stay ahead of git master :) [02:10] jcristau: I don't know what the 2.6.28 kernel in Debian does, but I had to revert http://git.debian.org/?p=pkg-xorg/lib/drm-snapshot.git;a=commitdiff;h=c32452f1fe831fe95a197883ab6f6617cd78afb1 to build -intel in Jaunty [06:09] quick question. does kms require uxa? [07:08] Here's the final chart of X bugs from last quarter - http://people.ubuntu.com/~bryce/totals-proprietary-2009-Q1.svg [07:51] bryce: dumb question, but what is this 'Xlib: extension "Generic Event Extension" missing on display ":0.0".' warning I'm seeing from jaunty clients? [07:51] dunno, haven't seen that one before [07:52] GE is part of XI2 [07:52] AIUI [07:52] ah [07:52] why would that be showing up with clients? [07:52] beats me [07:53] fwiw, I've noticed we've got a lot of weird warnings strewn about... in fact I was just looking at the one on bug 353049 [07:53] Launchpad bug 353049 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "*ERROR* Unknown parameter 6" [Low,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/353049 [07:55] where possible I'd like to suppress these sorts of messages to avoid confusion; lacking that, I'd like to get them documented at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Glossary so we can point people to them [07:55] on every single boot I get this warning: [07:55] [ 24.182667] [drm:i915_setparam] *ERROR* unknown parameter 4 [07:55] i havnt had time to file that bug yet [07:55] mnemo: don't bother - see the link I just posted [07:56] aah it covers both 4 an 6 [07:56] good [08:00] tjaalton: just got a reject mail on vmmouse [08:00] bryce: heh, yeah it was my mistake [08:00] okie [08:00] re-uploaded the current version [08:01] but then I actually applied the patch and signed & uploaded then new version [08:01] so it should be ok now [08:02] hmm, should sync requests be assigned to the release team now? [08:03] since these are new upstream versions (FFe) [08:04] I assume it's still just the ubuntu-archive team [08:04] in any case, it's essentially the same group of guys anyway ;-) [08:04] heh, right [08:06] Hey all. Is there something blocking the libdrm with fixed libdrm-nouveau1.symbols file? [08:06] RAOF: no, I've just forgot to upload it [08:06] I can take care of it [08:07] sorry RAOF, it's been on my todo list, I was just trying to get an xserver update out first [08:07] (...which I just now uploaded!) [08:07] That's fine. It's not as if it totally breaks nouveau or anything. [08:07] Hurray for xserver updates! [08:07] Anyone testing nouveau should be savvy enough to ask about manually installing libdrm-nouveau1, anyway :)( [08:08] ah just minor stuff... I've been raking through X packages looking for patches people posted, and putting them in [08:09] so this has some xvfb-run script fixes, and a man page for Xephyr [08:09] Let's see if there's anything interesting I should be pulling for nouveau at the same time as the rebuild... [08:11] tjaalton: btw speaking of extra patches, I saw there's a mesa patch from tormod on bug 324854 you might look at [08:11] Launchpad bug 324854 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "DRI2: (UXA) white transparency artifacts with compiz [patch]" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/324854 [08:11] bryce: yes, it's on my repo but not yet uploaded [08:12] Looks like the Fedora nouveau testing day produced a couple of fixed bugs. Yay! [08:14] RAOF: do you know how they organize that? [08:15] bryce: No, not really. There's a wiki page detailing test-cases, with a link to a rawhide ISO, but I'm not sure who writes the page, how people get notified, etc. [08:16] yeah, I've seen that page, very curious [08:16] mozilla has an awesome way of organizing test days... they have a web app which helps you go through manual steps [08:16] look at it here: https://litmus.mozilla.org/ [08:16] so basically you log in and say what build you have, then you follow instructions and enter results [08:17] you can see which testcases havn't been checked in a long time using what browser versions [08:21] interesting [08:22] I've wondered if we ought to do more organized test day type stuff for X [08:22] I think it would be a great idea because there is so many OS/hardware/software configs etc [08:23] well, I think it is driven more by an ability to follow through on test results [08:23] (which is why I was curious how fedora had organized their test day) [08:24] I agree, right now it feels like we have a shortage of bugs, heh... even upstream bug tracker seems flooded with pretty high quality bugs... i have 3-4 crash bugs at least with repro steps that isn't being fixed [08:25] maybe we should start some effort to clone eric anholt instead? [08:27] heh, I've had eric close plenty of my bugs but not fix them (so far) ;-) [08:30] mnemo: I've had some luck in diving in and helping fix bugs on -ati this release. With -intel though the code seems to be getting more and more complex so it's rather intimidating to work on [08:31] RAOF: libdrm uploaded btw [08:31] bryce: cool [08:33] bryce: Thanks. [08:34] I'll wait till it's built everywhere, then do some DDX testing. [08:40] six sync requests filed for the input drivers [08:40] xorg uploaded - fixes dexconf for kvm users [08:48] does dexconf run?-) [08:58] tjaalton: :-P of course I checked ;-) [08:59] :) [08:59] I actually meant that "is it run on install" [09:00] seems that it isn't at least on our preseeded installations [09:00] hmm [09:00] but I haven't noticed since the xorg.conf's are distributed otherwise [09:00] hmm wait [09:01] got the ideapad again, so I can check [09:03] it's empty [09:03] funny that no-one has complained [09:07] empty as in 0 bytes? [09:08] yes [09:08] hi [09:09] hi Unggnu [09:09] tjaalton: that sounds undesired [09:09] hm [09:09] I am not sure if it works in Intrepid too but Apport seems to generate very good backtraces and other usefull information if X crashes in Jaunty. Maybe we should change the Backtracing Wiki to prefer enabling Apport. [09:10] weird, I've not seen bug reports with xorg.conf's attached that were 0 bytes [09:10] (would apport exclude them?) [09:11] Things like http://launchpadlibrarian.net/24144277/Disassembly.txt and you don't need to install dbg packages or use ssh/gdb [09:11] Unggnu: certainly feel free to improve the Backporting page. My thought there was that if apport works and catches the crash, the user really wouldn't need docs - if it doesn't catch it, then they're probably in a situation where they have to do it manually anyway [09:11] But I don't know how stable the process is. [09:11] You have a point :) [09:12] But nearly all of the intel reports in the top ten doesn't have backtrace and apport is disabled if a stable version is used [09:14] One of the problem is that you need ssh/a second computer. No problem for a pc geek of course but ... :) [09:17] yes true [09:18] Unggnu: if you have ideas on how we can tell users how to enable apport (post-release) to get backtraces, please do update the top of the page with that info [09:18] I agree the current process is a bit techie for most people [09:18] honestly that Backporting page probably needs a good bit of copyediting to clean it up [09:19] The wiki is fine for me is just a lot of work [09:20] morning [09:20] hi [09:20] i''ve a xcrash in Jauntyy beta [09:20] right [09:20] hi mnemo! [09:20] =) =) [09:21] bryce might know if your bug is a known issue, thats why I wanted you to describe the bug here [09:21] well, every start of Xs give me that backtrace (at the end of Xorg.0.log) [09:21] * methril|work nods [09:21] methril|work: Did apport said something? [09:21] this is the backtrace methril|work is seeing: http://pastebin.com/m21463627 [09:21] RhdAssertFailed() in radeon driver [09:22] Why radeonhd? [09:22] hmm [09:22] crash in -radeonhd, needs the radeonhd debug symbols [09:22] looks like a failed assertion [09:23] hw: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: ATI Technologies Inc M56P [Radeon Mobility X1600] [1002:71c5] [09:23] methril|work: please install the package xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd-dbg [09:23] ok === seb128_ is now known as seb128 [09:23] X1600... is that an r6xx? I forget [09:24] r5xx IIRC [09:24] mm [09:24] methril|work: did you try the -ati video driver? it should work ok for r5xx cards [09:24] I would use the radeon-Driver if it works [09:24] yes [09:25] Jaunty radeon driver even works with r7xx [09:25] :-) [09:26] i don't remember why i choose radeonhd, if you suggest others, i could change [09:26] hmm, there's 100 calls to RhdAssertFailed in the -radeonhd codebase, so hard to guess where it's failing beyond that [09:26] radeonhd isn't the default driver. It has to be installed manually afaik [09:27] there's a handy chart comparing them on different chips here: http://www.x.org/wiki/RadeonProgram [09:27] nice!! thank you [09:28] We should really start a petition to get the radeonhd and radeon devs working together [09:28] Unggnu: that's already in progress. By now I think -ati has absorbed most of what's cool of -radeonhd [09:28] * methril|work nods about devs working together [09:28] Oh, I hope so [09:28] since both are opensource it's fairly easy for -ati to eat -radeonhd code ;-) [09:28] hehehe [09:29] really, it's only 6xx/7xx that still make some sense to pick radeonhd, and even there like unggnu says the difference is going away [09:30] bryce: actually the xorg.log says which assert is failing, look above the backtrace.. i missed that at first ;o [09:30] No, it doesn't. Radeonhd has no real XV support for 7xx but radeon has [09:30] That's why I don't understand the whole separation thing [09:31] ../../src/rhd_mc.c:417: RHDMCSetup: Assertion 'RHDMCIdle(rhdPtr, 1)' failed. [09:31] There were some philosophical differences that got expressed in code. [09:31] But I think those actually got resolved (in favour of the -radeon approach). [09:32] radeon works great except of the missing Powerplay but it isn't their fault [09:33] mnemo: aha good point [09:33] here is the code in the driver at the assert: [09:33] http://pastebin.com/m2259f52a [09:33] Unggnu: oh I assumed radeonhd had Xv support. IN that case, yeah no reason to use it over -ati [09:33] I didn't got it to work here. [09:34] Xv with radeonhd even in Jaunty. [09:34] mnemo: hmm, not sure what that code does [09:34] me neither [09:34] mnemo: but this is certainly well enough triaged to send the bug upstream if you'd like [09:35] Everyone can do what they want but many resources are blown in the wind which is a shame imho. I would at first try if ati/radeon works. [09:35] yup [09:35] Unggnu: me too [09:36] i'm going to try with radeon [09:37] bryce according to pitti using "sudo force_start=1 /etc/init.d/apport start" in a stable Ubuntu version should do the job. After a crash a dump should be created and the user should get a message after a restart [09:38] Unggnu: interesting, that'd be useful to have in the backtracing page [09:38] (EE) RADEON(0): [dri] RADEONDRIGetVersion failed to open the DRM [09:38] what does that mens? [09:38] methril|work: you need a restart I guess [09:39] because of the kernel module [09:39] :( [09:39] methril|work: going with -ati is probably the best thing for you, but it would also be useful if you filed a bug report about the radeonhd bug here: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=xorg&component=Driver/radeonhd [09:39] could i force the kernel module down and up? [09:39] ok [09:39] methril|work: Probably [09:39] id' like to help a litle bit more [09:39] methril|work: maybe also remove radeonhd first, I am not sure [09:40] If you use current -intel you become an addicted restarter ;) [09:41] And removing fglrx module is also not easily possible according to my experience [09:41] i see some related bug with radeon and fglrx [09:41] in the launchpad [09:42] FGLRX crashes a lot at least with R770 [09:44] methril|work: Does removing/adding module work? [09:44] not yet [09:44] i'm going to install the dbg driver [09:45] (firewall problem at work) [10:04] it could be that the Kernel Modesettings are wrong? [10:06] Kernel modesetting? [10:06] This isn't a feature from Jaunty afaik? [10:17] ok, then forget it (next kernel release 2.6.29) [10:19] That's for intel; ATI is slated for 2.6.30 IIRC [10:21] no it's not [10:21] more probably .31 [10:23] :) [10:24] Some news site said that Fedora has kms for intel, radeon and the open source nvidia driver [10:24] phoronix [10:24] yeah [10:25] Indeed; they pull in the drm modules from the relevent git branches. [10:25] http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NzEwMA [10:25] "Enabled by default on Fedora 11 will be Intel kernel mode-setting (along with the ATI kernel mode-setting that can already be found in Fedora 10)." [10:26] They will have fun in combination with ext4 :-D [10:26] :) [10:26] night [10:26] nn [10:26] night bryce [10:27] night [10:27] I could concievably pull in the modesetting branch for nouveau-kernel-source; I don't think that's a wonderful idea, though. [10:29] I guess there will be enough problems if kms comes with Ubuntu 9.10 [10:31] Not if fedora runs into them first! :) [10:33] Of course it would me more stable than now but ... [10:37] i'd like to test it :) [10:37] methril|work: use a Live CD :) [10:37] Intel driver makes so many problems lately that I think stability is more important than fancy features [10:38] methril|work: Fedora livecds should give you that fun. [10:39] well, i like ubuntu :) [10:46] i was checking all the xorg drivers, no one is working radeon, radeonhd neither ati [10:46] i've both, debug and not debug [10:50] i've this in the gdm log: /usr/bin/X: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions//libdri.so: undefined symbol: atiddxAbiDixLookupPrivate [10:51] fglrx fail. [10:53] it's possible that before that fail i', not able to switch to a Terminal? [10:54] everything is possible with fglrx [10:55] mesa 7.4 uploaded [10:55] methril|work: if you want to try KMS on ubuntu... first install 2.6.29 mainline kernel (google for "ubuntu mainline kernel") and then subscribe to the xorg-edgers PPA and then read some docs on KMS to figure out what params you need to pass at boot or whatever [10:55] tjaalton: ah, great work.. thanks a lot [10:56] mnemo: i know, i read about it. Thank you :) [10:56] methril|work: Could you check a daily LIve CD of Jaunty? [10:57] i could, where it's? [10:57] methril|work: http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/daily-live/ [10:58] tjaalton: indeed :) [10:58] methril|work: If you change the driver you really should restart if it has DRI support. [10:59] i see [10:59] i'm restarting aggain and again :D [10:59] looks like crappy windows [10:59] methril|work: At least with the Live CD you could check if the radeon works at all [10:59] (it's a joke) [10:59] for you [10:59] well, fglrx is loaded/installed, so no wonder that DRI is not working.. [11:00] it's working because i restarted at the MacOS partiton and works [11:01] if you didn't put fglrx qhy it has to load? [11:02] you have it on the xorg.conf? [11:02] not now [11:02] so.. -ati works now? [11:05] methril|work: I guess the module is loaded before X start so it is module configuration issue. [11:06] I don't know how fglrx works, but the nvidia module is loaded by the driver when X starts [11:06] the problem was xorg's /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions//libdri.so was replaced by fglrx.. [11:06] heh [11:06] oh [11:06] ok so dpkg --purge xorg-driver-fglrx [11:07] was what i was going to do now tjaalton :) [11:07] should've been the first thing to check ;) [11:07] lunch -> [11:10] fglrx did the trick [11:11] i'm going to check the other drivers [11:11] thank you [11:11] we introduced an apport hook for -ati to detect fglrx loaded... [11:11] could be good to post a bug in launchpad? or put some comments? [11:14] we should put more warnings in the fglrx package description that it fscks up for other drivers, but I think I already have filed a bug on this [11:14] i see a bug in launchpad [11:14] bug #? [11:17] #346803รง [11:17] bug 346803 [11:17] Launchpad bug 346803 in fglrx-installer "Radeon XPRESS 200M 5955 not recognized by aticonfig:No supported adapters detected (dup-of: 284408)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/346803 [11:17] Launchpad bug 284408 in update-manager "r3xx Hardware does not work with fglrx [EPR#257839]" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/284408 [11:19] also [11:19] bug 313027 [11:19] Launchpad bug 313027 in fglrx-installer "MASTER: fglrx does not support xserver 1.6" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/313027 [18:05] y hello thare [18:05] hey everyone [18:05] =D [18:06] need a X guru here to help out Brandie! === Brandie is now known as everyone === everyone is now known as Brandie [18:06] s/he is having trouble on jaunty with an ati card [18:06] Why didnt I just buy a nvidia? D= [18:07] eheh [18:07] I love my ubuntu ;_; <3 [18:07] Brandie: calm down a notch! [18:08] this is a (more) serious # [18:08] sorry. [18:09] bryce ping [18:09] Brandie: seems everyone is busy [18:09] hand in here a bit longer, ok? [18:10] mmm alright [18:10] So, Why does ubuntu seem to have alot of problems with ati cards? [18:11] abi bump [18:20] http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/2776/dscf2478.jpg I get that when i try to boot into 9.04 :\ [18:22] Brandie: you can and should start by opening a bug on LP [18:23] that way you can get help from more devs [18:23] D= [18:23] I think I remember the fix. [18:23] $ apport-cli -fp xserver-xorg [18:23] I just need the name of the propietari ati driver, so I can remove it [18:24] If i remember, I remeoved that, then reinstalled it in the os. and it worked. [18:24] that would work.. .XFIX should have fixed that too [18:25] mmm, It didnt last time. I cant remember the name os the package the official ati drivers install... [18:25] luckily i can still boot into 8.10 [18:26] ehe [18:26] or... maybe i cant... It's giving me the same error not [18:27] *now [18:27] oops [18:28] fglrx [18:29] bye go to go. guud lucj [18:29] what?... [20:25] bryce: gee thanks, I was running out of high prio bugs :p [20:28] jbarnes: no prob, I suddenly find myself with plenty of extras [22:04] <_MMA_> So I'm running Jaunty. (Intel 855 I believe) tried to connect a external monitor to the laptop not I have a corrupted screen with a cursor that looks fine. Disconnected monitor. Rebooted several times. No dice. [22:04] <_MMA_> Any help?