=== awway is now known as lukinfore [00:52] very interesting - I am having a look at an item in my firefox cache - described as _Cache_001 . When you load it into emacs you can read a list of what looks like cookies. I am just being nosey . [00:55] The reason I am mentioning it is that I have just installed, updated and tested the Clam AV and it did find what it described as a cache virus which was in the same location. I have deleted that item. Maybe it was a false positive - who knows? [00:59] emacs seems to be able to interpret all sorts of stuff that is down as 'zero size' when you look at the Properties. I find it very interesting but do not understand most of it... but at least I can have a look. [01:00] you didn't change that file while firefox was open did you? [01:00] No [01:00] That seems like it would break firefox [01:01] well as I understand it - emacs stores the file in a buffer and only changes it if you tell it to.... [01:01] I just use it to take a look [01:02] It is amazing how much information is fed back in these little text snippets... I find it interesting reading ! [01:05] I would like to live long enough to really find out how emacs works - it seems very powerful but you are right - 'curiosity killed the cat' never mind - I do have another computer if I break this one lol [01:06] the source is available... If you want to know how it really works, that is where you could look. [01:08] Don't think I am quite up to interpreting that yet - although I will probably take a look. Roger Penrose recommends people to just read the equations anyway if they don't understand and see what happens! I am working my way through the tutorial. I am old 50 years old. I wish I was young like some of you guys... I still find it very interesting just playing with it.. carefully of course ! [01:10] I am toying with the idea of attending the EuroPython Even because it is not that far from me. I could probably learn a lot just sitting in on some of the tutorials & events and just listening. Might be worth going. [01:10] who knows of the MagicJack? [01:13] Litewski is that someones nick ? [01:15] no, it's a device that you plug into the computer that gives you a phone line [01:15] i was just wondering if anyone cracked it yet [01:16] since the inventor isn't thinking about finishing the Linux driver for it [01:16] Litewski does it work with international systems or just US ? [01:17] it works with any computer that has a USB 2.0 port that runs windows or an intel mac [01:20] Litewski sounds good - so you could hook up from just about anywhere with that ... [01:21] yep [01:21] it gives you a US phone number [01:22] Litewski - yes - that is what I was assuming [02:09] where is a good voice chatroom at? [02:10] Hi all. I am noticing that a few of my GUI applications display all scrambled.. MythTV and a game called Adanaxis. Any ideas where I could start looking for a fix? [02:28] can somebody tell me how to switch from remote server login back to regular login in a shell prompt? [02:30] * cody-somerville heads to bed, later folks [02:34] wonderpoop: what do you mwan remote server login? [02:34] what do you mean* [02:35] hi [02:35] you know how in windows login screen [02:35] you have the list of users [02:35] well she wanted that [02:35] so i went into user settings added users for login [02:35] but i clicked to login to a vnc i guess [02:35] so now when i boot up it searches for hosts [02:35] but of course doesn't find any [02:36] i was wondering how i could just access the login options in the command prompt [02:36] go back to regular l/p screen instead of the network one [02:37] someone at my place decided to update my xubuntu from 8.04 to 8.10 - firefox started not working properly, the back and forward would be greyed out, it wouldnt put proper home page etc.. - so i googled, several solutions said to remove "xyz.default" and profiles.ini in the .mozilla/firefox folder and then remove / install firefox again. i did that and now firefox wants to make a profile, i dont know how to edit the permission [02:37] s so that it can make the profile folder in the .mozilla/firefox folder and when i make the profile elsewhere it says the profile is in use. then i made the profile on a folder on desktop, firefox loads but it wont work at all and a message pops up telling me "Could not initialize the applications security component" [02:38] anyone able to help? [02:39] it's under the login [02:40] ? [02:40] go to the login where you add users [02:40] oh i had a question [02:40] dunno if he is researching it [02:40] i'm stuck in the login screen for host servers [02:40] want to go back to the regular login/pass screen [02:40] oh right i thought u were answering my thing [02:40] lol [02:40] but since i'm stuck in the server login screen [02:40] i can't [02:41] so i was wondering if there was just a shell command i could use [02:47] What is the command to see usb devices in Xubuntu? [02:47] I want to see if the machine sees a digital camera connected via usb. [02:48] you could type mount to see all the mounted devices [02:49] you know how you can change your login settings in ubuntu? [02:49] add users [02:49] add passwords [02:49] add a little pic for the login screen [02:49] under /usr/share/faces [02:49] ne1 here ever go into that? [02:49] stumped [02:50] if you go to menu -> settings -> login [02:50] it's right there [02:50] i assume that e1 in here is using xubuntu? [02:50] anybody here [02:50] able to help me with firefox [02:50] yes [02:50] what is the issue? [02:50] its completely broken - i just updated to ubuntu 8.10 [02:51] it wouldnt save homepage / kept doing first run [02:51] the front/back was greyed out [02:51] i clicked the remote login like i want to log into a remote server host [02:51] wonderpoop - nice! [02:51] and now i can't change back [02:51] i googled a bit - most solutiosn were the same - delete "xyz.default" where xyz is just random letters/numbers [02:51] and profile.ini [02:51] then reinstall. i did that, now it wants to make a profile, i cant make the profile in the .mozilla/firefox folder cause of permissions so i made on desktop [02:51] What version of Firefox? [02:52] 3.0.8 i think [02:52] ya [02:52] 3.0.8 [02:52] it works off desktop, but doesnt save it to load the 2nd time and "failed to initialize applications security components" [02:53] If you log in as root, does it behave differently? [02:53] no [02:54] rather i cant log in as root - has some random generated password [02:54] im completely new to ubuntu :P [02:57] how do i change the permissions so that i can edit thigns in .mozilla [02:57] i mean - im logged in as "kaveh" [02:57] and its in /home/kaveh/.mozilla [02:57] so i assumed i could edit it.. but i cant :\ [02:57] sudo chmod 777 ~/.mozilla [02:58] try that. [02:59] you can edit things with root permissions by typing sudo nano -w ~/.mozilla/filetoedit [03:00] sudo (makes the command that follows it behave as if root executed it) [03:00] nano is a termnal-based text editor [03:00] cool ill give it a go [03:01] Good luck! [03:01] When I open an app that uses the full screen, the display is always distorted and scrambled. Any idea how to fix this [03:01] Be careful with sudo... remember things are set with permissions to keep you from screwing things up! But don't worry too much. [03:02] hmm - also since i upgraded my graphics driver (nvidia-glx) was removed. when i try to reinstall through simantec it puts everything Xorg and xserver-desktop under "To be removed" [03:03] when i use the nvidia installer it fails to extract [03:03] and i remember when it ried the nvidia installer from their site there was something wrong with the nvidia kernel (when it was ubuntu 8.04) [03:05] What is your gfx card? [03:05] 9800gt [03:05] :D! firefox worked [03:05] thank you :D [03:05] not sure. This is a brand new laptop. How can I find out? [03:05] Cool. NP [03:05] when you say distorted what do you mean? [03:06] jayson: sorry I was talking to kaveh [03:06] jayson: What is the laptop? [03:06] kaveh I am using an hp dp7 adm truitron-x2 ati radeon [03:07] thats a nice laptop [03:07] my father has a similar one [03:07] distorted like the resolution is off and the display is scrambled [03:07] very nice. [03:07] my bet is it didnt ship with linux driversto [03:07] ? [03:08] nope. The first thing I did when I powered it up was install xubuntu [03:08] hmm [03:08] my brother just did the same thing - had similar issue he swapped it to windows [03:08] arrrrgggg. hope thats not my only solution [03:09] kaveh: I found this on web: Hi. As far as I know, the 9800 GT is supported in the nVidia 180 series drivers, including the one found in Intrepid's repositories; so if you have Ubuntu 8.10 you can search for nvidia-180-modaliases and nvidia-glx-180 in Synaptic. [03:09] lets hope [03:10] the graphics card is ATI Radeon hd 3200 if that helps [03:10] thanks tr :D [03:10] im just googling it with the firefox you got working xD [03:10] kaveh: np [03:10] while i install the graphics [03:10] jayson [03:11] i *think* it might be related to the motherboard rather then the graphics card [03:11] yes [03:11] hmm That might be just as bad [03:11] my brother is a freak with these things - refuses to teach me but i sat around watching him and i remember he was complaining about the motherboard not working properly [03:12] would switching to ubuntu vice xubuntu help? [03:12] that i am not sure about [03:12] ive only very recently swapped to ubuntu [03:13] less then a wek [03:13] *week [03:13] jayson: Not sure... are you running live cd or installed? [03:13] installed [03:13] Well, you could download the livecd version of Ubuntu and try that... [03:14] What is the model of your laptop again? it is HP d7? [03:14] what is the difference between the two? [03:14] dp7 [03:14] yes HP d7 [03:14] HPDV7-1247 cl [03:15] DV7 [03:15] jayson: mainly it is the window manager (xubuntu uses xfce4 which is a 'lighter weight' desktop, and Ubuntu uses Gnome) [03:15] could I install gnome on xubuntu [03:17] you could install gnome on xubuntu, but why? if you want a small footprint on an older machine, use xfce instead [03:18] if you really want a small footprint, you may want to consider fluxbox on a debian install even [03:18] Well thats what I was thinking, but this is not an older machine, plenty of disk space, memory etc [03:18] Mood: He has a really new laptop and is having video probs... [03:18] ah, ok [03:19] jayson: Sorry I can't be of any more help... I'm off to bed. [03:19] later all. [03:19] can I upgrad from xubuntu to ubuntu [03:19] no prob tr thanks [03:19] any ideas Mood: [03:20] jayson: can you test your ati radeon card on a different machine? if you can, it'd be a way to rule out a bad card [03:20] unfortunately no Its a laptop. [03:21] coincidentally, earlier this week, my vid card died on me (fan died, heat death). i had these strange streaks and ghosting... originally thought it was a bad driver or monitor setting. but testing it on a diff machine, it was the same, hence bad card [03:22] Ah [03:22] jayson: does the live cd boot also give you video problems? [03:22] Never tried the live cd boot. I will have to give that a try. [03:24] Mood: I am going to try migrating to full ubuntu to see how that goes. If your arround after I reboot, I will let you know how it turns out [03:26] there's a good chance that going from xubuntu to ubuntu will not fix your video issues. xubuntu is ubuntu with a different windows manager and some packages not installed out of the box [03:28] I am hoping that my issue is with xfce. Could that be it? [03:39] be back after a reboot [03:47] well switching to gnome did nothing. [03:48] nicer desktop though [04:16] guess whos back and very happy! [04:16] anywho [04:17] i have another question if anyone can help - its about tuxguitar [04:17] apparently my sound works (i get system beeps but also warcraft 3 audio works fine) [04:17] however, tuxguitar does not work at all [04:17] doesnt error or anything, i ran through terminal and no messages popped up [05:40] ne1 here? [05:41] how do i disable remote login from the terminal? [06:00] O.O [10:16] What's the difference between xubuntu and ubuntu? [10:17] Reliant, basically, xubuntu runs xfce and ubuntu runs gnome [10:17] Reliant, there is more differences, but that's the most visible one [10:17] ahh, cool, that was the main thing I was hoping for :) [10:19] I was using KDE on Ubuntu, but when they released those plasmoids, I dropped KDE and started using XFCE. Just did a new install of the Beta of Ubuntu, and having sound & wireless problems in XFCE. Think I should just install Xubuntu? [10:19] !purexfce [10:19] If you want to remove all !KDE and !Gnome packages and have a default !Xubuntu system follow the instructions here « http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purexfce » [10:20] you don't have to reinstall totally, if you don't want [10:21] not really. I managed to get the sound working from reading the forums, but I can't get the wireless to save the WEP key [10:21] right.. [10:22] it autosaves in gnome, but not xfce. It looks like it's the same app too [10:29] Reliant, have you searched launchpad if it's a known bug? [10:29] launchpad? [10:30] !launchpad [10:30] Launchpad is a collection of development services for Open Source projects. It's Ubuntu's bug tracker, and much more; see https://launchpad.net/ [10:32] i can confirm this, however [10:34] there we go. Found a post with a solution. It requires GNome libraries to be enabled via the XFCE Startup and Session Manager, then deleting my wireless entry in the network manager and re-creating it [10:36] can you post me a link? [10:36] http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=121234 [10:37] don't have the link to the forum post that gave me the idea to delete the wireless connection entry [10:38] ok. thanks anyway [10:39] Hello [10:39] !hi | mib_2ozkgxvl [10:39] mib_2ozkgxvl: Hi! Welcome to #xubuntu! [10:39] I got abit of a problem... [10:39] !ask [10:39] Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) [10:40] I locked myself out of my user thingy, I naffed my main user account, so made a new one via terminal, but every time i click the Users and Groups button I get denied access, help? [10:40] Note, I am a linux beginner. [10:42] mib_2ozkgxvl, it is a really bad thing to remove the first user account. [10:42] mib_2ozkgxvl, i suppose you no have no user account with sudo rights. [10:42] Nope, but I can log into root in terminal? [10:42] mib_2ozkgxvl, i suppose you can't [10:43] Basicly, how do I grant a user sudo rights via terminal? [10:43] mib_2ozkgxvl, there is ways to recover but i'm no expert in that. [10:43] !sudoers [10:43] Sorry, I don't know anything about sudoers [10:43] there is /etc/sudoers which can be edited only by root or a sudoer. [10:44] Whats that? [10:44] it is a list of people who have rights to sudo [10:44] but it doesn't help you a lot [10:44] Is there a way to open/edit it? [10:44] and editing it is highly unwanted [10:44] suppose there is but as i said, i'm no expert in that [10:45] Bugger. [10:45] If you are totally locked out, there are ways to boot into a recovery mode that gives you root access to the drive itself, letting you edit those files. I'm don't know enough about it to walk you through it, but it can be done [10:45] Through thunar? [10:46] what's thunar? [10:46] Reliant, the file manager in xfce. [10:46] The default file thing [10:47] mib_2ozkgxvl, you'd be better asking in #ubuntu. there is more people there and this isn't xubuntu specific. [10:47] ahh, no, it has to be done at boot time through the boot manager, such as grub or lilo. There also boot CDs that can bring you into the recovery mode [10:47] Erm I have got sudoers open [10:47] It looks simple enough [10:48] mib_2ozkgxvl, you can *read* it, but you can't modify it. [10:48] I think I can editit [10:49] you should get an error when you try to save it [10:50] Yea, I though using sudo gedit would work, but didn't [10:56] hi, how can i lanuch nautilus in xfce without it taking over the desktop? i just want the file manager [10:56] hi [10:56] hi, how can i lanuch nautilus in xfce without it taking over the desktop? i just want the file manager [10:56] pren, 'nautilus --no-desktop' [10:56] pren, please don't flood [10:56] knome, sure thanks [10:57] my xchat didnt display my comment so i thought it didn't get there (so i reposted...) [10:58] btw knome if i use nautilus - do you think it will take much more resources than thunar? [10:58] yes, i know it will. [10:59] i see, the reason i use is because it has an extension taht allows me to resize pix on right-click , can i get thunar to do that ? (and rotate if possble) [11:00] suppose not, but you could install something like mirage and add a shortcut to that [11:00] with custom actions [11:00] like "open with mirage" or something? [11:01] xfce have a better ftp prog than gftp? Don't get me wrong, I like gftp, just somewhat new to what alternatives xfce has to offer :) [11:02] pren, you will get that in the application menu anyway, once you open an image file [11:02] knome, in thunar? [11:02] pren, yes. [11:03] knome mmm,,,so install mirage and then,,,? [11:09] Reliant, i use filezilla nowadays, some parts are better then gftp, some parts are worse (yes, it is possible), overal its a bit better imho [11:10] yeah, I use that one for windows [11:10] I had forgotten there was a linux version [11:11] anoter option is mounting ftp, works a lot better but i have found that with a lot of different websites its a bit difficult to manage === cyzie__ is now known as cyzie [15:06] Does Xubuntu work well in a Xen domU ? [15:11] I think there are ubuntu images for ec2 [15:11] so I guess it works [15:12] Thanks [15:16] Hello gorgut [15:17] ball, hey there. How goes? [15:17] gorgut: Not too bad thanks, yourself? [15:19] ball, Can't complain. Finally got all my network issues straightened out. Setting up a webserver now :) [15:19] gorgut: what httpd are you using? [15:19] back shortly [15:19] ball, apache2 [16:43] Hi. [16:49] !hi [16:49] Hi! Welcome to #xubuntu! [17:32] is it bad if processes get killed for lack of memory? [17:34] J_Litewski: yes [17:34] J_Litewski: you should have some swap for such cases [17:35] well, i was working on fixing the x server, since my tweaks caused it to crash, and when i was in terminal mode, it kept complaining about killing processes or child processes [17:36] hi [17:36] and i was having the problem of xubuntu lagging like no tommorrow [17:37] something used all available memory [17:37] i ran top while in terminal mode, and nothing looked out of place [17:37] and the system had to start killing processes to keep some space for itself [17:37] how about sudo top? [17:37] mostly it was xserver and thunar [17:38] didn't try that [17:38] anybody could test an application in a xubuntu system? [17:38] also, you should look at the memory usage, not cpu [17:38] verme: depends, what is it? [17:38] TheSheep: it is a media player [17:38] verme, describe and then post link...volunteers should then step forward [17:38] aras.sf.net [17:38] Hey, TheSheep [17:39] hi there [17:39] TheSheep: could you get it? [17:39] I missed being able to stop in here...glad I can again. [17:41] verme: I'm at work now and can't install the required libraries, maybe someone else... [17:42] verme I have some time to help [17:42] hum [17:42] ok, thank mprice [17:43] TheSheep, something is using up a good chunk of my memory [17:43] mprice: the application can be downloaded from http://aras.sf.net [17:43] ok [17:43] the binaries are included in the tarball [17:43] J_Litewski: run top and press O (capital o) two times [17:44] verme: somehow I don't like running binaries I got from random people on the internet :) [17:45] i did that TheSheep [17:45] TheSheep: that binaries are from sourceforge [17:45] nevertheless, maybe you want to read the code before compile it [17:46] J_Litewski: the program at the top of the list is probably the culprit [17:46] well, thats firefox [17:47] it's only using 11.7% [17:48] it's using 143m of swap though [18:01] hello [18:01] !hi | yopla [18:01] yopla: Hi! Welcome to #xubuntu! [18:01] do you know why my event system volume si sow weak ? [18:01] no [18:02] whatever it is [18:02] my distrib is interpid [18:02] is so weak (loud contrary) [18:02] can you rephrease? [18:02] rephrase [18:03] argh, two non-native speakers trying to communicate XD [18:03] I suggest you renegotiate your protocols [18:03] ok with rythmbox the sound volume is MOUCH louder [18:03] MUCH [18:04] ah, it's too quiet [18:04] quiet yes ty [18:04] but xubuntu doesn't have system sounds... [18:05] humm [18:05] yopla: can you give an example of when you hear them? [18:05] pidgin for example [18:05] yopla, what applications are you actively working with when your sounds are quiet. [18:06] I can't hear new message sound [18:07] in fact I can hear but it is tooo quiet [18:07] and rytmbox too loud [18:08] yopla, there are separate volume settings for each application as well as xfce's sound settings [18:09] with pidgin the volume control isn't movable [18:11] That is interesting...it is gray or dimmed? [18:12] grey [18:13] cursor is on the middle [18:14] with rythmbox I'v put vol output to 2% to hear other apps sound [18:14] the remote filesystems in Xubuntu 9.04, how do i access ftp [18:16] chewit, did you open up gigolo? [18:17] or do you already have the ftp server mounted? [18:17] filezilla ? [18:18] yeh, i opened up gigolo [18:18] i have an ftp setup [18:18] but i do not know how to view it [18:19] i cant use thunar [18:19] it is not native with thunar I think [18:19] Thunar(s not konqueror lol [18:20] so how do i open the ftp then [18:20] with an ftp client ? [18:21] yeh, but i would rather use what xubuntu is offering [18:21] that I haven't got gigolo to do either, I just end up right clicking on the share and then selecting copy URI and the opening it up in firefox to navigate it [18:22] yeh [18:22] its a bit of a dead end then [18:22] this is what Thunar needs, ftp support [18:22] you coul try something like ftpfs ? [18:22] and tabs would be nice [18:23] k [18:23] mounting it in gigolo should let you view it [18:23] chewit, I believe the FTP support is coming with Xfce 4.8 :) [18:23] (Without Gigolo) [18:23] ah [18:23] it's then treated as normal directory [18:23] excellent, any ideas when thats out, 2010? [18:23] lol [18:24] chewit: when it's ready [18:24] chewit: you can help if you want [18:24] Heh, 2010 would be nice but it might very well slip [18:25] yeh, 4.6 did, was meant for Sept 09 [18:27] http://curlftpfs.sourceforge.net then you could use thunar [18:27] chewit, thats what i think thunar needs too [18:27] yopla: that's what gigolo does [18:27] yopla: more or less [18:27] ok sorry [18:28] don't konw gigolo [18:30] I'm in 8.10 [18:50] Is anyone having trouble with their programs disasppearing at random in Ibex? Every since I've upgraded, programs just randomly turn off and disappear with no errors or anything. I've done a reformat and reinstall to see if that would fix it, but no luck. [18:50] Mood: are you on? [18:51] yessir [18:51] remember the issue with the video card late yesterday evening [18:51] yeseir [18:52] did you get it fixed? [18:52] d/l the driver from adm and everything is working like a charm. the default driver was causing all the trouble [18:53] wow, that's surprising. was the default driver specific to ati radeon? [18:55] to ati. Infact I got a notification saying that my vid card would not work well unless I installed the update. After the update I got all the probs. disabled the driver prob went away but slow video. dl the adm driver and lightning fast vids [18:56] good to hear your card wasn't busted [18:56] was the problem driver open-source? or from AIT? [18:56] ATI* [18:57] the notification you got -- it was from xubuntu? or from a website? [18:57] think the driver was open source, but not shure how to tell [18:57] the notification was from xubuntu [18:57] via synaptic? [18:58] yes [18:58] weirdness... it may be a bug. what was your vid card again? [18:58] radeon HD3200 [18:59] I could not find anything like it in any repository [19:00] so what driver did you install? [19:00] the first time, the one that didn't work [19:01] it was the driver from the notification ATI something ... [19:01] well that may have done it... installing drivers not intended for your hardware is destined for problemos :-s [19:03] hey- fortunev- come over to #xubuntu-offtopic for a sec.. i have a question for you [19:03] k === fortunev is now known as fortunev_ === fortunev_ is now known as fortunev [19:22] Mood: how would I know when the cloak is done? [19:43] I am trying to remember, is 9.04 now offering ecryptfs for home in the gui install? === danopia` is now known as danopia [20:09] anyone alive in here? [20:09] nope [20:09] we are all zombies [20:10] Braaaaaaaaaaaaaiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiins [20:10] hmm, sounds good, just put some parmasan cheese on it, and it'll taste like spaghetti === anii is now known as jennicide [20:12] naw, but i had a quick question about Xfce, is it possible to make the bottom bar to static? I have it scaled across the screen, but when i open in more windows, it scales off the screen [20:13] Enigma, what is "scaled"? [20:13] i mean [20:13] stretched [20:13] Enigma, you mean it's set to "Full Width"? [20:14] si [20:14] And the panel reaches outside the screen? [20:14] Enigma, you can right click on some blank space in there and you should see an option to go to Properties for "Task List".... [20:14]