[00:12] <joshjtl> this is sooo bizzare there are no sound recorders for kde available in any repo anymore
[01:26] <jjesse> evening
[01:27] <dtchen> jjesse: hi. what's the issue with your inaudible sound?
[01:45] <jjesse> dtchen: no clue what's the issue with my sound
[01:45] <jjesse> dtchen: sorry irc is lagging real bad for me right now
[01:46] <jjesse> dtchen: i'm too lagged to troubleshoot right now, sorry that i am not available
[02:45] <dtchen> jjesse-dell9: ok, let me know if you'd like to troubleshoot further
[02:45] <dtchen> jjesse: ^^
[02:55] <jjesse-dell9> dtchen: thanks will do i moved on to working with my dell mini 9 as it is respondiing btter
[02:55] <dtchen> jjesse-dell9: ok
[02:55] <dtchen> jjesse-dell9: can you be more specific than "no sound"?
[02:56] <jjesse-dell9> dtchen: thanks for your offer of help
[02:56] <jjesse-dell9> dtchen: i have the volume turned up all the way and get no sound playing music/videos/start up sounds etc
[02:57] <dtchen> jjesse-dell9: please download http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh , save it to your Desktop, and run the following command in a Konsole: bash ~/Desktop/alsa-info.sh
[02:59] <jjesse-dell9> dtchen: will do when i get a chance
[04:41] <freeflying> Riddell: http://imagebin.ca/view/xtDtynzR.html kimpanel with scim as backend
[09:39] <larsivi_> hola - tried to upgrade to jaunty from intrepid, but the upgrade-notifier-kde -d thingy told me there was none
[09:39] <larsivi_> so I did it the old way using apt-get dist-upgrade
[11:00] <Quintasan> There is a conflict between kde-l10n-pl and gwenview-l18n, kde-l10n-pl tries to overwrite  /usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/pl/gwenview/index.cache.bz2
[11:32] <larsivi> first impressions of jaunty : Quassel isn't of much use; it does not adapt to the KDE colour scheme automatically, and it is impossible (or at least very difficult, I can't find it) to set up default channels for a network
[11:36] <Mamarok> Sput: ^^
[11:36] <larsivi> the colour scheme issue means that most of the text isn't readable with a dark kde scheme
[12:09] <Mamarok> brilliant, I have a user in #kubuntu-de who has the same problem than I have, Pulseaudio showing up in Phonon but is not installed, he uses Intepid with 4.1.4...
[12:19] <jussi01> larsivi: first bit is a bug, sput is currently working on it afaik. second, default channels are channels you have joined. if you are in them when you quit, it will rejoin them on start.
[12:19] <jussi01> larsivi: I have a dark colour schem, so Imfamiliar with that ;)
[12:36] <larsivi> can kde system settings somehow be used to control touchpad scrolling settings? since upgrading changed them, I mean ...
[12:43] <larsivi> meh, it is only a konqueror issue
[12:48] <Lure> Riddell: any reason we still have koffice 1.6 in repo?
[12:48]  * Lure would though that it would be better to just switch to 2.0 rc
[14:32] <Quintasan> Mamarok: PA shows here too. Along with mine sound card
[15:09] <ScottK> Dcop no longer works, right?
[15:09] <ScottK> e.g. I think we should just drop python-dcop from kde3bindings.
[15:13] <larsivi> did anyone else see fairly heavy graphical glitches in jaunty?
[15:15] <larsivi> the toolbar in konqueror is mostly unviewable, and there is also issues in kmail/kontact
[15:16] <ScottK> larsivi: Intel video?
[15:16] <larsivi> ok, I see I get some graphical packages in updates
[15:16] <larsivi> ScottK: yes
[15:17] <ScottK> Intel is known problematic.
[15:17] <ScottK> larsivi: You can also try their uxa driver.  I find it works much better but falls over once or twice a day.  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/UxaTesting
[15:18] <larsivi> heh, not sure that is better ;)
[15:18] <larsivi> seems that kde4 apps are affected much more than kde3 (konversation) apps
[15:19] <ScottK> I'm not sure yet either.
[15:19] <ScottK> People's experience with it varies widely depending on their exact hardware, so it's worth a try.
[15:31] <larsivi> ScottK: ok, trying
[15:39] <larsivi> ScottK: first impressions of UXA, much better :)
[15:40] <ScottK> It's stunningly better except the crashing here.
[15:41] <larsivi> no glitches so far, and very usable desktop effects
[15:43] <jefferai> Riddell: Nightrose suggested my audio problem may be PulseAudio related
[15:43] <jefferai> do you know how to get rid of it without removing half of KDE?
[15:45] <dtchen> huh, why is pulseaudio installed on kubuntu?
[15:45] <smarter> it isn't.
[15:46] <larsivi> I think it was in intrepid
[15:47] <smarter> the pulseaudio lib(libpulse0) is installed, so that phonon supports pulseaudio if it's installed, but that's all
[15:48] <larsivi> Is quassel not adapting itself to dark kde themes a reportable bug? that together with difficulties setting up the channels per network makes quassel a major regression compared to konversation IMO
[15:49] <Riddell> jefferai: sudo apt-get remove --purge pulseaudio
[15:49] <Riddell> larsivi: yes that would be a bug
[15:50] <jefferai> hmm
[15:50] <jefferai> pulseaudio not installed
[15:50] <jefferai> although phonon shows a backend for it
[15:50] <jefferai> ah, I do have libpulse0 though
[15:50] <dtchen> ah. pulseaudio is on the DVD and alternate but not on daily-live
[15:50] <smarter> just don't use it
[15:50]  * jefferai didn't use either of those
[15:51] <jefferai> it's not like I wanted to!
[15:51] <jefferai> heh
[15:51] <dtchen> smarter: it's a little more complicated than that
[15:51] <dtchen> we autospawn in per-user sessions
[15:51] <jefferai> removing libpulse0 wants to remove a *ton* of stuff
[15:52] <dtchen> the proper way to disable pulseaudio is to edit /etc/pulse/client.conf and change "autospawn = yes" to "autospawn = no"
[15:52] <dtchen> or you can comment out (use leading semicolon) "autospawn = yes"
[15:52] <dtchen> then, killall pulseaudio
[15:52] <jefferai> ah
[15:52] <Riddell> kdebase links to libpulse
[15:52] <jefferai> yeah, boo
[15:52] <jefferai> Riddell: my problem is that phonon works totally fine
[15:53] <Riddell> that doesn't seem like a problem :)
[15:53] <dtchen> at that point, you should be able to run `sudo fuser -v /dev/dsp* /dev/snd/*' and not see pulseaudio
[15:53] <jefferai> but anything not Phonon is now making ugly zap/static noises out of my PC speaker (not the good kind of speaker)
[15:53] <jefferai> this includes both gnome programs, and things like going to VTY1 and my system beep
[15:54] <jefferai> *going to VTY1 and triggering my system beep
[15:54] <Lure> can anybody with packagekit knowledge comment on bug 354140
[15:54] <dtchen> jefferai: this seems more aligned with general audio issues. have you run http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh and dumped the output somewhere? beware, it's a bash script.
[15:54] <jefferai> dtchen: no, but it worked fine in intrepid
[15:54] <jefferai> only stopped working after upgrade to jaunty
[15:54] <dtchen> jefferai: i realise that; you've already stated it :-)
[15:55] <dtchen> jefferai: i'm concerned with the *current* state, since i care for general audio stuff
[15:55] <jefferai> erm...no I didn't
[15:55] <jefferai> but I'll run the alsa-info script
[15:56] <ScottK> Lure: I think Tonio_ is who you want.
[15:56] <Lure> ScottK: thanks, will ping him when around
[15:58] <jefferai> dtchen: http://rafb.net/p/0fMpgF20.html
[15:58] <Riddell> Lure: we keep koffice 1.6 because upstream still recommends it over koffice 2.0.  2.0 is more of a platform release than something most users will want
[15:58] <Lure> Riddell: ok
[15:59]  * Lure thought that 2.0 would need some testers, as it improved in rc
[15:59] <dtchen> jefferai: yeah, just as i thought
[15:59] <dtchen> jefferai: you need to mute 'PC Beep'
[15:59] <jefferai> ah
[16:00] <jefferai> when did that get turned on  :-P
[16:00] <dtchen> jefferai: it didn't
[16:00] <jefferai> OK, when did it's behavior change?
[16:00] <jefferai> *its
[16:00] <dtchen> most bioses tell HDA codecs to initialise it to unmuted state
[16:00] <jefferai> ah
[16:00] <dtchen> this is bug 331589
[16:00] <jefferai> hah
[16:00] <jefferai> I totally agree with it
[16:01] <dtchen> yeah, well, there's no good way to fix it for upgrades
[16:01] <dtchen> new installs are easy- we clobber the element and unmute it forcefully
[16:01] <dtchen> mute*
[16:01] <jefferai> ah, ok, so it's added in newer alsa
[16:02] <dtchen> no, it's hardware-based
[16:02] <jefferai> ok, access to it is added in newer alsa
[16:02] <jefferai> which also happens to unmute it when installed
[16:02] <dtchen> no, alsa doesn't do anything with it
[16:02] <jefferai> I didn't update my bios
[16:02] <jefferai> or change any settings in it
[16:02] <dtchen> alsa accepts what the bios programs the HDA codec to have
[16:02] <jefferai> and the change happened when upgrading to jaunty
[16:03] <jefferai> ok, so now alsa accepts something it didn't before?
[16:03] <dtchen> alsa has always accepted what the bios tells it
[16:03] <dtchen> there are ways to fudge around broken bioses- that's known as the quirk mechanism
[16:03] <jefferai> yes, I know about quirks
[16:03] <dtchen> however, we haven't seen a proliferation of HDA codecs exposing 'PC Beep' until recently
[16:04] <jefferai> so this could be due to the new version of the kernel module, perhaps?
[16:04] <dtchen> in a way, you're correct that -kernel now exposes it
[16:04] <jefferai> OK
[16:04] <dtchen> however, the kernel has always exposed that same register- it's just now visible to userspace tools instead of having to use hwdep foolery
[16:05] <dtchen> the sanest option would be to forcibly mute it for everyone regardless of setting
[16:06] <dtchen> barring that, we could simply unbind the element in the codec drivers
[16:06] <jefferai> Ah
[16:06] <dtchen> each has unintended consquences
[16:07] <dtchen> anyhow, not really Kubuntu-related, so i'll stop spewing :-)
[16:07] <dtchen> (and you have the resolution of your issue already described, which is to mute that element)
[16:20]  * Lure is surprised how good HD video editing with kdenlive is
[16:31] <seele> Sput: ping
[16:31] <Sput> seele: pong
[16:31] <seele> Sput: yo
[16:32] <seele> Sput: so i've been thinking about the message indicator for quassel
[16:32] <seele> i'm not sure the pulsing effect is working
[16:32] <Sput> seele: it's not, but that's pinheiro's call
[16:33] <Sput> we need to persuade him to create a more visible alert :)
[16:33] <seele> hmm.. ok. i will talk to him about it
[16:33] <seele> yes.. it takes too much work to figure out if you have a ping or not
[16:33] <Sput> yeah, it is a quite shiny effect, but doesn't spring into the eye
[16:34] <Sput> replacing the animation is no big deal once pinheiro gives me one :)
[16:45] <Riddell> dtchen: has Mamarok complained to you about her audio problems?
[16:45] <Riddell> she was having problems but I don't really know where to start debugging
[16:47] <ryanakca> nixternal: I mixed up this week and next, it's next week that I'll be away, not this one, so I should be free pretty much all of this week to work on h.k.o
[16:49] <dtchen> Riddell: Mamarok? no
[16:50] <ScottK> Riddell: dcop is non-functional in Jaunty, so we should drop python-dcop, right?
[16:50] <Mamarok> dtchen: I commented on a few bugs in launchpad about that
[16:50] <dtchen> Mamarok: specific references? my bug flow is upwards of several thousand daily.
[16:51] <Mamarok> dtchen: wiat, will get it for you
[16:51] <Mamarok> wait even...
[16:52] <ryanakca> If a package has kdebase-dev and kdelibs5-dev as Build-Depends, does it need necessarily need kdebase and kdelibs5 as Depends?
[16:53] <Mamarok> dtchen: 354896
[16:54] <Gon> mmmm, trying to share a folder with samba in dolphin, the wizard doesn't appear on click "Configure Shared..." button
[16:54] <Gon> D:
[16:54] <Mamarok> dtchen: bug 354896
[16:54] <ScottK> ryanakca: No.  Usually some binary provided by those though.
[16:54] <Mamarok> bug bug 330797
[16:56] <ryanakca> ScottK: great, thanks
[16:57] <Mamarok> etc, and bug 352577
[16:57] <Mamarok> funny is, those all seem to be pulseaudio related, although I have no pulseaudio installed (purged the package, removed phonondevicesrc)
[16:58] <dtchen> Mamarok: 354896 lacks sufficient info. the DebuggingSoundProblems page has a reference to the http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh script that *must* be run.
[16:58] <Mamarok> and pulseaudio shows up in the card list in Phonon
[16:58] <dtchen> Mamarok: so, for 354896, i would ask for output from that *bash* script
[16:59] <Mamarok> dtchen: that was a bad examle, sry, as this is Amarok related and doesn't happen with SVN, so likely to be fixed upstream anyway
[16:59] <dtchen> Mamarok: i've asked for additional info in 330797. i'll clarify that this evening after i can get a kubuntu vm running, since i don't have the dialogs memorised.
[17:00] <dtchen> Mamarok: same as 354896 for 352577
[17:00] <Mamarok> ok, will run the script now
[17:01] <Lure> ScottK, Riddell: do I need to ask for FFe for minor bug-fix release that I would like to get synced into Jaunty/universe?
[17:01] <dtchen> i could revert the autospawn, but it will break a number of other things
[17:01] <ScottK> Lure: Bug fix only, no FFe needed.
[17:02] <Lure> ScottK: thanks, will verify a bit more about changes, so that I feel safe with it
[17:04] <ryanakca> ScottK: Also, if its a PyKDE4 app that depends on kdelibs5-dev and kdebase-dev, would it still have an Architecture: all ?
[17:04] <ScottK> Probably not.
[17:26] <Riddell> Lure: you could just run it by me
[17:27] <Lure> Riddell: will do, but I need to clarify if I can drop armel patches
[17:33] <Riddell> kubuntu forums down?
[17:34] <Riddell> ScottK: yes I think drop python-dcop
[17:34] <ScottK> Riddell: Thanks.
[17:36] <claydoh> Riddell: kfn is down, can't get hold of the owner :(
[17:36] <claydoh> Riddell: thats what you get for running it on microsoft servers :/
[17:36] <Riddell> he was?
[17:37] <claydoh> afaik
[17:38] <claydoh> he did plan to move it, don't believe he ever did
[17:38] <ScottK> Riddell: Drop all the dcop bindings while I'm at it?
[17:42]  * ScottK goes ahead.
[18:05] <ryanakca> ScottK: thanks
[18:35] <claydoh> is it a policykit, er packagekit new feature where we can install debs without authorization?
[18:36] <ScottK> No.
[18:36] <Riddell> you've probably ticked "remember authorisation" at some point
[18:37] <claydoh> ahh, don't remember doing that. Ny way to undo it? logout/
[18:54]  * ScottK attempts to update krusader ....
[20:09] <larsivi> ScottK: hmm, is high cpu usage in xorg one of the uxa symptoms?
[20:09] <ScottK> larsivi: I'd look through the wiki page I pointed to and see what people have reported.
[20:09] <ScottK> I haven't had it.
[21:50] <jjesse-mini9>  hrmm this is intersting, my dell mini 9 is now running jaunty on a fresh install and no sound, had sound in intrepid on it
[21:51] <jjesse-mini9> from the ubuntumini.com blog it seems that sound works out of the box for jaunty for him, wonder if there is something different between ubuntu and kubuntu that is messing it up?
[21:53] <Quintasan> jjesse-mini9: It
[21:54] <jjesse-mini9> hrmm ok i think i figured it out, in kmix there is another channel called speaker that was turned down all the wya
[21:55] <Quintasan> :D
[21:55] <jjesse-mini9> which didnt show default
[21:55] <jjesse-mini9> so now in kmix i have master, pcm, headphones, and speaker
[21:57] <jjesse-mini9> i bet thats the same problem with my other dell
[21:57] <jjesse-mini9> bummer that it isnt selected by default
[22:02]  * Quintasan thinks it's time to translate something
[22:17] <ryanakca> Who runs the Kubuntu Forums? I'm guessing they're aware that their forums are down?
[22:21] <ScottK> ryanakca: claydoh was mentioning it earlier.  He was having trouble getting a hold of them.
[22:21] <claydoh> ryanakca: a dude named Open Source (Zack)
[22:22] <claydoh> haven't gotten hold of him, and I don't have any comntact info on the other guy with access to the server
[22:22] <claydoh> he may be on national guard duty, doing his one weekend thing
[22:23] <JontheEchidna> Oh snap, 4.3 rules: http://imagebin.ca/view/Kadc-TO.html
[22:24] <kurrele> hola
[22:24] <ryanakca> claydoh: *nod*, thanks
[22:25] <claydoh> ryanakca: prob the dang ms server its running on....
[22:39] <ryanakca> claydoh: Would it be worth giving him a call?
[22:39] <claydoh> you have his number?
[22:40] <ryanakca> claydoh: *nod*
[22:40] <claydoh> might be
[22:41] <ryanakca> claydoh: You can get it by whois'ing the domain, or you can just look here, http://ryanak.ca/~ryan/kubuntuforums.net-whois ... At least, I'm guessing that's his phone number...
[22:44] <Riddell> woo, inbox at ten!
[22:46]  * ryanakca scratches his head
[22:46]  * claydoh scratches his......
[22:46] <claydoh> ryanakca: that is a business number, probably his workplace
[22:47] <claydoh> no one is home, and the comapny site is um, down too
[22:49]  * ryanakca sighs
[22:50] <jjesse-mini9> Riddell: i figured out my sound problem, in kmix there is another channel called speaker that was turned all the way down
[22:50] <Riddell> jjesse-mini9: ah hah
[22:57] <dtchen> jjesse-mini9: is that just for the speaker, or is that also applicable to headphones?
[23:00] <jjesse-mini9> dtchen: never checked the headphones
[23:00] <jjesse-mini9> silly me
[23:02] <dtchen> jjesse-mini9: interesting. On a fresh install? We definitely unmute 'Speaker'.
[23:02] <dtchen> jjesse-mini9: can you run http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh ?
[23:02] <jjesse-mini9> dtchen: yes on a fresh install of jaunty, both on my dell mini 9 and my dell e series
[23:02] <dtchen>         switch_control "Speaker" on
[23:02] <dtchen> ^^^
[23:03] <jjesse-mini9> dtchen: speaker was not even listed in kmix, i had to add another channel to be able to control it
[23:03] <dtchen> the only thing i can think of is that there's an amp associated with it
[23:03] <dtchen> if so, simply unmuting it won't suffice; we'll need to set it to 80% or so, too
[23:04] <jjesse-mini9>  http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=f3696c72ef18105d61470524edfe14d4eb9ff151
[23:04] <jjesse-mini9> dtchen: i thinki i mispoke, it wasnt muted it was turned down all the way
[23:04] <dtchen> aha
[23:04] <dtchen> thought so
[23:05] <dtchen> yeah, confirmed in your output
[23:05] <dtchen>   Front Left: Playback 64 [100%] [0.00dB] [on]
[23:05] <dtchen>   Front Right: Playback 64 [100%] [0.00dB] [on]
[23:05] <jjesse-mini9> i turned it up all the way to 100% after i added the channel in kmix
[23:11] <dtchen> jjesse-mini9: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~crimsun/alsa-utils/ubuntu.new/revision/19
[23:11] <jjesse-mini9> what do i do w/ that?
[23:12] <dtchen> jjesse-mini9: it's a commit log. thanks for helping fix the bug!
[23:12] <jjesse-mini9> oh cool, you are welcome
[23:12] <jjesse-mini9> time to head afk to give son bath, then eat dinner
[23:12] <dtchen> it's precisely as i mentioned nine minutes ago ;)
[23:12] <dtchen> simply unmuting is insufficient- also needed to set the level
[23:13] <jjesse-mini9> well glad i could help, be back later