[00:01] <cjwatson> slangasek,sbeattie: BTW, I fixed bug 301430 just now in ubiquity, partly because otherwise d-i and ubiquity are out of sync, but I have a nagging worry that this may expose some late ipv6/localhost problems
[00:01] <cjwatson> if you spot anything that looks like it might be that, let me know ...
[00:01] <cjwatson> I'm also conscious that there may not be time to fix netbase for upgrades
[00:47] <kirkland> mvo: hiya, are you actually around?  :-)
[02:37] <ezyang> Hello all; I noticed that xvm-3.3 has three bugs complaining about missing docs. Anything I can do to help fix this?
[02:47] <maxb> Is it automatically a bug to clobber configuration files in /etc/, or are there any exceptions?
[02:49] <dtchen> TheMuso: / pgraner: what do you think of muting "PC Beep" unconditionally?
[02:59] <maxb> kees: That shadow upload.... the arguments to grep are the wrong way around in the the preinst :-)
[03:07] <ezyang> Where is the source code repository for xen-3.3?
[03:08] <dtchen> ezyang: meaning Ubuntu or upstream?
[03:09] <ezyang> Ubuntu.
[03:09] <ezyang> I'm on the launchpad page but there's no code tab.
[03:10] <maxb> Are there Vcs-* keys in the control file?
[03:10] <ezyang> No.
[03:10] <dtchen> ezyang: http://package-import.ubuntu.com/x/xen-3.3/jaunty/files
[03:11] <ezyang> Thanks! How would I find that page in the future?
[03:12] <dtchen> ezyang: it's organised alphabetically by source package
[03:13] <ezyang> Ok
[03:17] <ezyang> dtchen: Would you happen to know why xen-utils-3.3 doesn't have docs anymore?
[03:18] <dtchen> ezyang: have you installed xen-docs-3.3?
[03:18] <ezyang> xen-docs-3.3 is an empty package
[03:19] <ezyang> xen-utils-3.2 used to be the package with the docs
[03:25] <dtchen> ezyang: hmm, probably not being built at all. i don't see doxygen in the build-dependencies at least. you'll probably want to ask zul; he's likely far more familiar with the source package than i am.
[03:27] <ezyang> I suspect what happened is that the docs where removed from xen-utils-3.2 to be placed in xen-docs, but then that never happened.
[03:38] <ezyang> Why do the bzr branches seem not to be connected to each other?
[03:40] <ezyang> As in, I can't actually tell when the change was introduced without laboriously stepping through each branch
[03:45] <dtchen> ezyang: perhaps you'll find https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xen-3.3 more efficient
[03:55] <ezyang> arrgh
[03:55] <ezyang> I'm used to being able to point at a file, and see all of its history
[03:56] <ezyang> This is very different
[04:00] <ezyang> So, if I understand correctly, package-import doesn't actually have development done on it?
[04:24]  * calc is prepping new OOo upload and it appears the server hosting the upstream OOo translations is dead :\
[05:35] <slangasek> cjwatson: hmm. :/ ok, will keep a watch out
[05:46] <bryce_> wiki.ubuntu.com seems DOA
[06:38] <kees> maxb: yeah, fix building now.  that's what I get for a friday night upload.
[07:27] <Hobbsee> hrm.  usb sticks really don't mount in jaunty anymore.
[07:37] <sbeattie> Hobbsee: hrm, really? works here.
[07:39] <sbeattie> ... though my usb fs with a space in the label gets it mapped to _ on the mount; that might be new behavior.
[08:05] <slangasek> tjaalton: how did you reach the conclusion that bugs 351756 and 352581 are dupes of 354688?  The backtraces are entirely different.
[08:05] <slangasek> for that matter, 351756 and 352581 both refer to UXA, which I'm *not* using...
[08:05] <tjaalton> slangasek: same error message
[08:06] <tjaalton> well, they were duped together
[08:06] <slangasek> which error message is the same?
[08:07] <tjaalton> http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/256410/IMG_0479.JPG
[08:07] <slangasek> but that's not the cause of the crash
[08:07] <slangasek> I only noticed DRI wasn't active after I started investigating the crash...
[08:08] <tjaalton> hrm ok
[08:08] <slangasek> shall I undupe?
[08:08] <tjaalton> sure
[09:15] <mdke> slangasek: got a sec?
[09:45] <mdke> slangasek: never mind, sorted I think
[12:13] <c0p3rn1c> who is responsible for packaging mplayer ?
[12:15] <c0p3rn1c> n/m
[12:26] <c0p3rn1c> Kmos: thx, yeah I figured that out by myself after asking the question :-)
[12:35] <mnemo> c0p3rn1c: ubuntu doesnt have specific persons responsible for each package... but there might be someone who usually ends up packing it.... see "aptitude changelog mplayer"
[12:38] <c0p3rn1c> mnemo: I've send the whole MOTU media team a message about it
[12:38] <mnemo> yeah that's probably the best way
[12:40] <c0p3rn1c> mnemo: thx anyways, maybe I'll use that command in the future, still kinda new to all of this(bin using ubuntu for about 6 months)
[12:43] <mnemo> :)
[12:44] <c0p3rn1c> I'm slowly trying to help ubuntu to improve more and more, currently I'm only reporting bugs and trying to get new technology to the main stream, btw where would best I start to learn programming in the linux environment, 10 years ago I have bin coding visual c++ but since then I only have bin programming java/perl/vb.net
[12:45] <mnemo> im sort of in the same position.. but I've been using ubuntu since 2007
[12:46] <mnemo> one thing I learned is that its good for focus on a few things and do them really well
[12:46] <mnemo> i filed a lot of random bugs in the beginning and didnt follow up much on them
[12:47] <mnemo> but its better to learn deeply and some programs so you can file really good bug reports for those packages
[12:47] <c0p3rn1c> yeah, I don't have that much time anyways, I would love to be an open source programmer though but I don't know if there are any well payed jobs for it
[12:48] <c0p3rn1c> in the US yes, but not in the EU
[12:49] <mnemo> well nokia does a lot of gnome stuff for maemo, qt software in oslo, fluendo in spain, and google will let you work on open source as a 20% project
[12:49] <mnemo> openisimus in germany, codethink and collabora in the UK
[12:49] <c0p3rn1c> mnemo: yeah but I'm scared to work for google lol
[12:50] <mnemo> heh yea
[12:51] <mnemo> or go work for canonical ofc ;) seems like a great company
[12:52] <c0p3rn1c> I'm even scared to ask for an internship, I'm petty gifted for programming but I've not exactly bin an A student
[12:52] <mnemo> yeah its probably harder right now with the bad economy etc
[12:53] <mnemo> but maybe start learning more deeply about linux
[12:53] <mnemo> try to come a MOTU etc
[12:54]  * c0p3rn1c is googling MOTU
[12:54] <c0p3rn1c> Masters Of The Universe lol
[12:54] <c0p3rn1c> nice :-)
[12:54] <mnemo> =) thats the team that brings you most of the software in ubuntu
[12:56] <c0p3rn1c> ic
[14:11] <YUNGMIZZ> HEY WATS GOOD
[14:21] <htrejh> hi
[14:22] <htrejh> did something change in jaunty, i am a gfire dev (pidgin plugin for xfire) and now it crashes, seems to ba MALLOC_CHECK or something like that
[14:22] <htrejh> did something change in the system vars or in gcc?
[15:26] <dreamcoder> is anyone else having issues with greatly reduced download speeds in jaunty? via wireless
[15:27] <dreamcoder> i am downloading at less than 700 when it should be 2400
[15:32] <sits> is the first user not being added to the audio group etc. a known and fixed bug?
[16:08] <the_dark_warrio> When watching a movie in fullscreen, the new message system makes the screen blink. Is this a known bug?
[16:17] <directhex> oh, the notification thing causes that?
[16:18] <jpds> Yeah, I have that too.
[16:21] <hyperair> blink?
[16:21] <hyperair> i don't have that
[16:21] <hyperair> in the first place, the notification shouldn't happen when watching a movie in fullscreen
[16:22] <hyperair> unless you're watching videos from veoh, which has the stupidest web player you can ever find.
[16:22] <james_w> it won't if the movie player inhibits the screensaver
[16:32] <the_dark_warrio> well
[16:32] <the_dark_warrio> its vlc
[16:33] <hyperair> ah vlc
[16:33] <hyperair> what gpu?
[16:33] <the_dark_warrio> I'm using nvidea
[16:34] <hyperair> ah nvidia
[16:34] <hyperair> but that's strange, i thought nvidia was better than intel in this aspect =\
[16:35] <hyperair> i'm using intel, but if there's one thing that really works well, it's compositing on top of videos
[16:45] <cjwatson> htrejh: many things have changed, including new upstream versions of the toolchain - but chances are it's a bug in your program that this just happened to expose. Try using valgrind
[16:47] <htrejh> ok thanks
[18:05] <Afifi> hi
[18:05] <Afifi> how to change the default user settings ?
[18:11] <ScottK> Afifi: Ask in #ubuntu (or #ubuntu+1 if you are running Jaunty)
[18:12] <Afifi> ok thank you
[23:55] <slangasek> cjwatson: bug #327819 seems to indicate the kerneloops MIR is deferred until karmic; should I unseed this from desktop?
[23:57] <slangasek> cjwatson: or is there something I'm overlooking in that bug, that's a reason to keep it in the seed?