| mdke | we really need to sort out the ridiculous build time of ubuntu-docs | 09:52 |
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| mdke | 2 hours is beyond a joke | 09:52 |
| mdke | excellent, found a way to do that | 10:55 |
| nhandler | Hi, I'm trying to fix Bug #285173, but I am having a hard time finding that section of the documentation. grep'ing the documentation as well as searching using yelp and the web interface turned up nothing. Did this section get modified/deleted, or am I doing something wrong? | 14:29 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 285173 in gnome-user-docs "Wrong Information in "Taking Screenshots" help" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/285173 | 14:29 |
| nhandler | Oh wait, I missed the part about gnome-user-docs ;) | 14:29 |
| mdke | heh | 14:29 |
| * nhandler thought he had LP only displaying ubuntu-doc bugs | 14:30 | |
| mdke | nhandler: ideal way to fix that one is to do a patch which can go upstream too | 14:30 |
| mdke | nhandler: if you grab lp:gnome-user-docs, that is a bzr import of upstream svn so you can do a patch on that if you like and send it upstream | 14:31 |
| Rocket2DMn | hey mdke , i did some work on the RootSudo page last night following discussion a few weeks ago | 14:40 |
| mdke | hiya Rocket2DMn | 14:40 |
| Rocket2DMn | reorg-ed some stuff and made some of the existing warnings bold and oclored | 14:40 |
| Rocket2DMn | I plan on going back later to add more details on actually configuring sudo, like for fine-grained control | 14:41 |
| Rocket2DMn | Is there anything specific you would like to see done to the page mdke ? | 14:42 |
| mdke | Rocket2DMn: in the "enabling root account" bit, it says "Use at your own risk" but doesn't explain what those risks are | 14:44 |
| mdke | Rocket2DMn: maybe that could be clearer | 14:44 |
| Rocket2DMn | Ok, I'll see what I can pull together. Maybe we need section in there just called Downsides of using root, like we have for sudo above | 14:45 |
| mdke | Rocket2DMn: possibly | 14:46 |
| Rocket2DMn | I think the document does still need some reorganizing, I may make a subpage entirely geared toward configuring sudoers, and leaving this base page to primarily explain differences in root and sudo, etc | 14:47 |
| Rocket2DMn | Do you agree? | 14:47 |
| mdke | Rocket2DMn: that sounds sensible | 14:47 |
| j1mc | hi all | 14:48 |
| Rocket2DMn | ok mdke , i'll start on that within the next few weeks, possibly even this weekend | 14:48 |
| mdke | :) | 14:48 |
| mdke | hi j1mc | 14:48 |
| Rocket2DMn | I'm also looking for more feedback on the MythTV email I sent out last night, there are SO many pages | 14:49 |
| Rocket2DMn | Maybe there is a contact who organizes them that we could talk to | 14:49 |
| Rocket2DMn | hi j1mc | 14:49 |
| mdke | probably the mythbuntu team could help | 14:50 |
| j1mc | i know mario limonciello, who i think is still pretty involved with mythbuntu. | 14:50 |
| j1mc | i can talk with him about this | 14:50 |
| mdke | yes he is | 14:50 |
| Rocket2DMn | that would be great j1mc | 14:50 |
| Rocket2DMn | I tend to think that just flat out deleting them is a good option, but I know that doesn't fly too well with most people :) | 14:51 |
| mdke | some attempt should probably be made to consolidate material | 14:52 |
| Rocket2DMn | yeah, I agree, unfortuntaly I don't see pages specific to Hardy and Intrepid really | 14:52 |
| mdke | unless there is no useful stuff there of course | 14:52 |
| Rocket2DMn | if those existed alongside the outdated ones, then I wouldn't feel so bad | 14:53 |
| j1mc | mdke: i think omf files are you used by yelp, correct? they can be safely removed from xubuntu-docs? | 14:59 |
| mdke | j1mc: correct, provided that xubuntu-docs doesn't use yelp :) | 15:06 |
| j1mc | that is the joke that is not funny, but we laugh anyway. :) no, xubuntu docs do not use yelp. | 15:09 |
| nhandler | mdke: Where should I send the gnome-user-docs patch? The upstream bug tracker? Or do they have a VCS that I should use? | 15:10 |
| mdke | nhandler: bug tracker is the best option so it doesn't get lost | 15:12 |
| mdke | j1mc: ok, then you can remove them | 15:12 |
| Rocket2DMn | Ok, I'm gonna try my hand at fixing a bug - bug 243797 for hardy | 15:25 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 243797 in ubuntu-docs "Networking troubleshooting docs refer to non-existent menu entry" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/243797 | 15:25 |
| Rocket2DMn | hey, when you refer to a program under System->Administration and you use something like (&device-manager;) to refer to it, where is the list of those items stored? | 15:44 |
| Rocket2DMn | nvm i think i found it | 15:47 |
| Rocket2DMn | I'm a little confused though - why are there more html files in the build than xml files? | 15:55 |
| Rocket2DMn | the xml i am trying to edit is hardy/ubuntu/internet/C/wireless.xml but the page in the build where i see the problem is troubleshooting.html | 15:56 |
| Rocket2DMn | How do I get my local copy from the repository up to date? For example, in my Intrepid copy I'm stuck at revision 138 while 141 is the latest. | 18:34 |
| Rocket2DMn | update and merge don't seem to do the trick | 18:35 |
| Rocket2DMn | and my ubunt-doc is still pointing at jaunty rather than karmic | 18:35 |
| j1mc | Rocket2DMn: have you bound your branch to the bzr repo? | 18:38 |
| Rocket2DMn | i followed the directions on the wiki when is et it up | 18:38 |
| Rocket2DMn | i re-downaloded the ubuntu-doc branch so it should be good now, but intrepid is still outdated i guess | 18:38 |
| Rocket2DMn | connor@compy686:~/ubuntu_bzr/intrepid$ bzr update | 18:38 |
| Rocket2DMn | Tree is up to date at revision 138. | 18:38 |
| Rocket2DMn | http://paste.ubuntu.com/144324/ | 18:39 |
| j1mc | Rocket2DMn: maybe go to the root of your intrepid branch, and enter "bzr bind lp:ubuntu-doc/intrepid" | 18:39 |
| j1mc | then bzr update | 18:40 |
| Rocket2DMn | ok, i'll give that a go | 18:40 |
| Rocket2DMn | ah cool, that seems to have worked, do i need to merge as well? | 18:40 |
| j1mc | no, bzr update will always merge in changes from the branch | 18:41 |
| Rocket2DMn | ok, so if i have changes that i have made, they will be overwritten? | 18:42 |
| j1mc | Rocket2DMn: i recommend that you use "bzr bind" on all of your doc branches | 18:42 |
| Rocket2DMn | yeah, doing that right now j1mc , that isnt a command i saw on the wiki, perhaps it should be added | 18:43 |
| j1mc | Rocket2DMn: you can use "bzr status" to check on all of your changes. if you try to update, but you have uncommitted changes, it will let you know. | 18:43 |
| Rocket2DMn | do you have to do that every time the development docs move to the next release? | 18:43 |
| j1mc | Rocket2DMn: if you want to use the same folder when you switch from jaunty to karmic, you would need to do "bzr unbind" | 18:46 |
| j1mc | i think... ? | 18:46 |
| j1mc | not sure :) | 18:46 |
| Rocket2DMn | hmm well for bug 243797 i made a local revision to wireless.xml in hardy | 18:47 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 243797 in ubuntu-docs "Networking troubleshooting docs refer to non-existent menu entry" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/243797 | 18:48 |
| superm1 | hi guys. j1mc pointed me at https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-doc/2009-April/012593.html .i'll repost what i just said in another channel: | 18:48 |
| Rocket2DMn | i update the branch and even did merge, but its not getting the old version of the file | 18:48 |
| j1mc | Rocket2DMn: superm1 just joined - you can talk to him about the mythbuntu docs | 18:48 |
| Rocket2DMn | hi superm1 , that was me | 18:48 |
| superm1 | <superm1> j1mc, hmm. forgot about all those old pages. i suspect people still do link around every so often, so i think the best thing to do is to centralize around the latest version, but don't hardcode it in the URL | 18:48 |
| superm1 | <superm1> that way it can be updated regularly | 18:48 |
| superm1 | although it would be especially nice if there was a hit counter on pages so we could affirm that | 18:49 |
| Rocket2DMn | superm1, in the past we have deleted pages that were specific to unsupported version, but there are just so many of these... | 18:49 |
| superm1 | Rocket2DMn, so how about adding a header to the tops of them that they will be deleted soon as a warning | 18:50 |
| superm1 | and then wait a few weeks and delete them | 18:50 |
| Rocket2DMn | well, we have a Tag that marks pages as Candidates for Deletion | 18:50 |
| Rocket2DMn | i tagged a couple of pages as Unsupported Version | 18:51 |
| Rocket2DMn | until i realized how many there are | 18:51 |
| Rocket2DMn | superm1, do you still maintain MythTV pages on the community docs? I don't see many pages specific to supported versions like Hardy or Intrepid | 18:53 |
| superm1 | yeah we stopped actively maintaining them ourselves personally in favor of a PDF that gets released with different mythbuntu versions | 18:53 |
| superm1 | it's been easier to keep updated | 18:53 |
| superm1 | I'm not sure what other community folk have done with the pages tho | 18:54 |
| Rocket2DMn | there all sorts of pages there, not just version specific (at least in title) | 18:54 |
| Rocket2DMn | Since Gutsy is reaching EOL, I was going to suggest just dealing with all the Edgy, Feisty, and Gutsy pages at once | 18:55 |
| superm1 | yeah that seems fine to me | 18:55 |
| superm1 | if someone came in #ubuntu-mythtv asking about an old release, we wouldnt help them anyhow and instead point them at a newer release or the forums | 18:55 |
| Rocket2DMn | we don't support old releases on the forums either | 18:56 |
| Rocket2DMn | Ok superm1 , so you don't have a problem with removing the pages from the community docs then? | 18:57 |
| superm1 | yeah that should be fine as long as the releases are EOL | 18:58 |
| Rocket2DMn | Ok, it's almost a shame, some of those pages are beautiful, but they arent supported anymore | 18:58 |
| nhandler | mdke: Shouldn't we have a lp:~ubuntu-core-doc/gnome-user-docs/ubuntu-karmic branch now? | 18:58 |
| Rocket2DMn | j1mc, are you still here? | 19:00 |
| superm1 | Rocket2DMn, could you maybe make new pages with the old content and add a header that they need to be updated/ | 19:10 |
| superm1 | like new pages that don't specify the version in them | 19:10 |
| Rocket2DMn | superm1, I'm not sure exactly how you have them organized, there are honestly like 100 pages | 19:11 |
| Rocket2DMn | lots of stuff under MythTV/Install | 19:11 |
| Rocket2DMn | with /Server and /Live as subpages of those | 19:12 |
| Rocket2DMn | and a whole host of child pages there, see - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/TitleIndex | 19:12 |
| Rocket2DMn | How much info do you plan on keeping on the wiki? | 19:14 |
| superm1 | i think the thing is a lot of pages include other pages | 19:24 |
| Rocket2DMn | agreed superm1 , i had noticed that | 19:31 |
| Rocket2DMn | When pages get deleted, we remove all links to them first | 19:32 |
| Rocket2DMn | I'm sure some of those pages are not your official pages, but if you know which ones are/were, we can start with those | 19:32 |
| Rocket2DMn | Perhaps you could get your volunteers to spend time on the pages, since I don't really know anything about MythTV. If the community can decide which pages are absolutely no longer needed, they can delete the contents and tag them for Deletion | 19:33 |
| superm1 | well i think the best thing to do would be post in the mythbuntu forum looking for help to clean up | 19:38 |
| Rocket2DMn | i see you have lots of stickies in there already :) | 19:40 |
| Rocket2DMn | superm1, would you like time to discuss with your team how best do proceed with coordinating your documentation efforts? | 19:41 |
| Rocket2DMn | Once you decide how you're going to approach the task, I'd be happy to help you with removing pages | 19:42 |
| Rocket2DMn | I think it is best if you pull all the info you desire from existing pages, and then mark the pages for Deletion using the Candidate for Deletion tag | 19:42 |
| Rocket2DMn | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Tag | 19:42 |
| Rocket2DMn | Pages that are to be deleted can't be Included by other pages, and wiki links to that page should be removed | 19:43 |
| mdke | nhandler: yes | 20:19 |
| Rocket2DMn | mdke, when you get a few minutes, i uploaded patches to a few bugs | 20:26 |
| Rocket2DMn | would you mind reviewing them and checking that I did them correctly? | 20:26 |
| mdke | Rocket2DMn: yes, I'm having a look | 20:26 |
| Rocket2DMn | cool, thanks | 20:26 |
| mdke | they look fine | 20:27 |
| mdke | Rocket2DMn: i guess you checked the photo program against the actual software? | 20:27 |
| Rocket2DMn | i downloaded the program in jaunty and looked | 20:29 |
| mdke | great | 20:30 |
| Rocket2DMn | I don't know if any of those other bugs want to have SRUs | 20:31 |
| Rocket2DMn | well i guess one already is | 20:31 |
| mdke | hmm | 20:32 |
| mdke | the musicvideophotos patch doesn't work | 20:32 |
| mdke | how did you make it? | 20:33 |
| Rocket2DMn | hm maybe my local branch was outdated, hold up | 20:33 |
| Rocket2DMn | i was having issues earlier | 20:33 |
| mdke | were you using the karmic branch? | 20:34 |
| Rocket2DMn | since i made tha tpatch i redownloaded the development branch | 20:35 |
| Rocket2DMn | i think it may hav ebeen stuck on jaunty | 20:35 |
| Rocket2DMn | i | 20:35 |
| Rocket2DMn | ill redo it | 20:35 |
| mdke | I think you may have done it on the hardy branch | 20:36 |
| mdke | because musicvideophotos.xml in jaunty and karmic doesn't have the relevant section, it's in photos.xml now | 20:36 |
| Rocket2DMn | yeah i see stuff got re-orged | 20:36 |
| Rocket2DMn | if it's even still applicable... | 20:38 |
| mdke | should be, the bug was reported on the basis of jaunty I think | 20:38 |
| Rocket2DMn | yeah i quick grep for one of those phrases didnt find it though | 20:38 |
| Rocket2DMn | ah there is is | 20:39 |
| Rocket2DMn | is the patch i uploaded applicable to the existing jaunty docs? | 20:40 |
| mdke | no | 20:40 |
| Rocket2DMn | hm weird | 20:40 |
| mdke | you've edited musicvideophotos.xml, but in Jaunty that file is empty | 20:40 |
| mdke | it only includes other files | 20:40 |
| mdke | that's why I say you must have been working on hardy | 20:41 |
| Rocket2DMn | http://paste.ubuntu.com/144416/ | 20:43 |
| Rocket2DMn | is that better? | 20:43 |
| mdke | looks like it will work | 20:45 |
| Rocket2DMn | that is for karmic | 20:45 |
| Rocket2DMn | does it work for jaunty, too? i havent checked | 20:45 |
| mdke | that works on karmic | 20:46 |
| Rocket2DMn | after i make changes, how do i overwrite them with what is in the repository? When I merge it says nothing to do, but status shows 2 files that i've worke don | 20:46 |
| Rocket2DMn | if i merge --force, will it overwrite my changes? | 20:46 |
| Rocket2DMn | apparently not | 20:48 |
| mdke | you can revert changes made by you with "bzr revert" | 20:48 |
| Rocket2DMn | ah, sweet, thanks | 20:49 |
| Rocket2DMn | lol mdke , my last name is Imes, not Ines :) | 21:10 |
| Rocket2DMn | no worries | 21:10 |
| nhandler | :) | 21:11 |
| Rocket2DMn | nice catch nhandler , i never wouldve noticed | 21:11 |
| mdke | Rocket2DMn: whoops | 21:24 |
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